President Obama's Muslim friendly stance now is seeking its own expansion.
In Afghanistan's caves, Muslim's fighters waging "holy war" against the "infidels" were found with little boys used for sex. British soldiers were not permitted to speak to the press and the BBC refused to run the story when the soldiers first began reporting their findings.
These Mohammedan pedophiles were to be protected against bad publicity especially in the muslim friendly Obama administration.
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
The White House said it was "humane" to bring him to the hospital.
The White House has asked YouTube to review the online video that they cited as the spark for demonstrations raging across the Middle East and North Africa. Reports now say that many of the world wide attacks took place within 15 minutes of each other, indicating coordination rather than "spontaneous" "protests."
The Obama administration is asking YouTube to check if it meets their standards.
"The White House asked YouTube to review the video to see if it was in compliance with their terms of use," Jay Carney said.
It is unknown if the White House has ever intervened on behalf of any other group regarding You Tube or freedom of speech.
It is unknown if the White House has ever intervened on behalf of any other group regarding You Tube or freedom of speech.
Critics have accused the Obama administration of putting too much focus on the film itself, and faulted the administration for continuing to condemn it.
Meanwhile, The Associated Press reports that federal probation officials are investigating the California filmmaker linked to the video. He had previously been convicted of financial crimes. He won't be safe, even on US soil.
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Ghastly. And yet, who among us is surprised? I am so frustrated by the stance the U.S. is taking toward these vicious, unwarranted attacks. Anybody remember Neville Chamberlin placating Hitler? If we continue to pander to these religious bullies, it is only going to get worse. So not everyone holds Mohammed in the same esteem as do his followers. Get over it! And why the government should be considering legal action against the movie's producer for expressing his constitutionally-protected opinion (freedom of speech--anybody remember when we used to have that?)--well, it makes me tired and ticked off! Coptic Christians have been bearing the brunt of discrimination and vicious persecution in Egypt and other Muslim nations for generations. So why doesn't the news focus on that?
Peter,could you please provide a link confirming this?
If you watch this piece of idiotic media you will be amazed it incited anyone to do anything other than desperately try to hit the "stop" button on their YouTube player. It's dreadful, childish and incomprehensible. Definitely not enough to drive rabble mobs to death dealing. This is window dressing for the true hatred which is driving the violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
According to one report the Coptic Christian responsible for this production did not reveal the true storyline or dialog to his actors. The overdubs make it clear the actors are not speaking the actual dialog heard. There is a great deal more to this story than an incited mob over YouTube trash.
Yeah, lets keep coddling these barbarians...
Their acts of atrocity are somehow the fault of people "disrespecting" their beliefs??
There is no other religion so rife with blatant hypocrites as Islam.
Baby raping and cold-blooded murder is A-Okay in their book. Well... just as long as you are a muslim male, and claim to be doing it all "for" Allah.
I agree, Equinox. This film was just a convenient excuse for mob violence. It doesn't take much, does it?
The link is in the article.
It was also at the Washington Times.
You can translate with Google Translate.
Equinox,
your instincts and what commentators are saying agree: Many now say it was the White House using it as an excuse to cover the fact that this was a world wide orchestrated attack.
Many of us are sick of all things Muslim shoved down our throats. It still amazes me that women's groups are not as outraged at muslim treatment of women.
How can any one who cherishes liberty bear with this?
If you told me, 11 years ago, as I watched the smoke of 9/11 rise on the horizon, that a mosque would be built on the site, I would have laughed.
We've had enough.
Peter
I'm sickened by reading this article. The idiot sheep following along thinking demonstrating against a You Tube makes them powerful when they are being used by Al Qaeda as a diversion. Al Qaeda is obviously behind these attacks and their tell tale sign is their horrific torture before death. I can still see the 4 bodies which were dragged thru the streets by the barbarians a few years ago. Our American citizens treated to the most horrific death they could impose.
What do we do? Oh let's send them to Guatanimo where the prisoners every need is met from religious to diet to reading material.
It's time for Americans to demand the end of this. Our citizens are being tortured and murdered in what is considered a "safe zone", the embassy. I thought being attacked in your embassy was an act of war? Why are we continuing to downplay what is happening? If someone is climbing over the wall, SHOOT them. No longer can they be considered unarmed in those countries. They never "just" demonstrate. They have their coordinated agendas.
We have a weak President who is not responding. Instead Hilary Clinton, Secretary of State, condemns the YouTube! OUTRAGEOUS. How about condemning the RAPE/TORTURE/MURDER of our citizens??
Here are two links, the now said, of Stevens, it appears that the news are yet to confirm, however the first source to report Steven's was raped, is said reliable. This site named, Tayyar News, I went to, it offers no option of English,
below copied from: http://www.aina.org/news/20120913165253.htm
A shocking report has come from the Tayyar News Service in Lebanon that murdered United States Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens was raped before he was killed. The article was originally printed in Arabic and it translates as follows:
"The U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)," The sources said that "Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder. "
Another source covering offering translation of Tayyar News, it offers more information, and is following the updates as they come in.
http://www.mstarz.com/articles/4881/20120914/u-s-ambassador-raped-sodomized-before-killed-according-lebanese-media-report.htm
I want the autopsy report, though my bet is against it being released.
Daily Beast, article written on the background of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula - found to be maker of the movie, Innocence of Muslims, Nakoula aka, Sam Bacile
It's an interesting read
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/14/was-innocence-of-muslims-director-also-an-informant.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/13/mrs-clinton-and-mr-obama-it-time-to-wake-up-and-smell-global-jihad/
There was a Orthodox Christian Church that was crushed on 9/11. This Christian community was not allowed to rebuild their church on the land that they OWNED and had worshipped in since 1922.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nicholas_Greek_Orthodox_Church
Nakoula spent time in jail for a scam where he opened dozens of fake bank accounts, shuffled money between them and then withdrew the credit lines established. Vita's link implies he was an informant who may have fabricated a link between his earlier meth manufacturing and the funding of Hizbollah. Or it may have been a real link, Either way, it's not a stretch to imagine him being approached as a tool by extremists to fund "an American made Muslim-hate movie" and to then have the skills to create multiple social media accounts. And to then use them all to incite a social firestorm of counter-hatred.
I saw "ads" for this film on DiscloseTV for example, days before the murders in Libya. Defaming your own religious figure under the guise that your enemy has done it - is obviously a successful method of hyping up your allies to hate, kill and distract your enemies for you. It's not like it hasn't been done before. I expect youthful, brainwashed, suicide bombers in the days ahead. All for the sake of someone else's evil agenda.
July 13, 2012
CAIRO -- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visits Egypt over the weekend to meet the nation's first freely elected president, Mohamed Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood whose Islamist followers want to reassess the previously close relations between Washington and Cairo.
Clinton's visit, scheduled to begin Sunday, comes as many Egyptians are increasingly concerned about what they consider American interference in the domestic affairs of this Arab nation of more than 80 million people.
High on the agenda for the secretary of state's meeting with President Morsi are likely to be Egypt's political transition, its struggling economy, its peace treaty with Israel, and U.S. aid totaling more than $1 billion a year.
read more
http://www.voanews.com/content/clinton-to-visit-egypt-as-relations-change/1404439.html
The YT video is said by Clinton herself the cause, to stimulate the " reaction" - WE had nothing to do with it, her words, Many have fumed over what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described Friday as an "awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with" -- who is WE? The same WE that is now being said, as it leaks out, WE knew of the Embassy threats and didn't react?
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According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had prior knowledge of planned and coordinated attacks by Muslim militants 48 hours before the actual assaults upon our facilities in Benghazi and in Cairo. Yet, with foreknowledge of the looming attacks that were going to occur, our Ambassador, J. Christopher Stevens was left unprotected without armed Marine troops, militant Islamists were reported on the US Libyan Embassy grounds inside the compound. After issuing just one of the many Obama administration apologies from America to any Muslims who were insulted by a You Tube film made by some small time producer, a vicious assault began inside the US Embassy in Libya.
Continue reading http://www.nowpublic.com/world/state-department-knew-impending-embassy-attacks-48-hours-prior#ixzz26VRzTRt6
George Carlin - Euphemistic Language Fits here, as our leaders spin the Words to fit who's agenda- they want us "US" to " react to"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNk_kzQCclo&feature=share&list=PLD3ACF550E8B97E6C
Americans die, President armed with telephone, bravely queries YouTube.
You would think this is an Onion headline, only it isn't.
Is it true that this was a video made by Fred Phelps' Westboro "Church"? If so, isn't this the second time he has incited violence against Americans?
OT.
Teacher accused in child sex sting says it was research for novel.
ORLANDO --
New tapes released by the state attorney’s office show detectives interviewing a private Christian school teacher and Episcopal priest after he was arrested for soliciting a minor for sex.
Brian Shriner told an investigator he went online to meet the girl because he was doing research for a novel.
Shriner: When she showed me some of the pictures, they made me uncomfortable because she looked so young. And the whole idea of her being 14.
Investigator: She was 14.
Shriner: I know. Oh my God, I swear, I don't know how to let you know that I would never...
"I realize the level of stupidity of what I've done today," Shriner told the investigator.
Investigator: You're trying to say that the whole thing was just a research program for a novel.
Shriner: I am and I know that sounds ridiculous.
Investigator: It does.
Shriner: Oh, my God. This is going to be a nightmare, then.
Investigators continued to question Shriner about why he allegedly sought out underage girls.
Investigator: So what you're trying to say: You, as the writer, got online. You subjected yourself, made a Yahoo account, get online, purposely waited until you found an underage girl.
Shriner: I talked to several of them. Didn't meet any of them. This girl, she clearly had said, I have done things before.
Shriner told investigators he just wanted to talk.
Shriner: You notice that I told her I wasn't going to meet her unless we were just going to chill out and talk.
Investigator: Talk and then if more happens, then more happens. And you said, ‘OK.’
Shriner: Because I wasn't planning, I was just planning on sitting and talking with her. I know this sounds crazy.
But the investigator continued to press.
Investigator: So what sex acts were you talking about?
Shriner: I don't because honestly, I didn't intend to do any of them.
And still continued.
Investigator: What did you think was going to happen when you got there?
Shriner: Today? I thought we would sit down and I'd ask her questions…
Investigator: About what?
Shriner: Like, why does she prefer older men, has she ever done anything like this before?
Finally, the investigator summed up his questioning.
Investigator: Let me ask you this. Even if you showed up today, and you didn't intend to have sex with her, which we've gone back and forth...
Shriner: I would have been so scared...
Investigator: Don't you think that... hold on... don't you think that it would be illegal to talk to a 14-year-old on a computer and ask her to have sex with you?
Shriner: Yeah, but somehow it doesn't even seem like it's real.
Shriner told the investigator he has four daughters, ranging in age from 12 to 22.
He pleaded not guilty Tuesday to traveling to meet a minor for sex, solicitation of a minor via computer and lewd or lascivious battery.
Shriner is out of jail on bond.
His trial is scheduled to begin on Oct. 15.
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/7/25/investigator_questio.html
Im afraid there is not a link in the article showing on my page. What word in particular is the link?
Lis..it was briefly mentioned that the video was 'promoted' by a pastor in Florida..same one with the 'burn a Koran day', and the 'Islam on trial' video..not been said since though.
oops! Terry Jones
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/13/anti-islam-minister-terry-jones-says-he-feels-no-responsibility-for-u-s-ambassador-s-death.html
It is time to retire the tall snappy talker from our White House.
This death, deaths, could have been prevented. Any way you look at this, the United States comes out looking badly, and, deservedly so.
Any way you look at this, 4, FOUR, of our representative citizens, were let down by their government.
One of these dead citizens was defiled, dragged through the streets by his arms, every desecration to his body, his corpse, recorded by cell phone.
I cannot be patient with this snappy talker dude.
The toll is too steep.
Boston Lady @ 5:44 pm exactly you couldn't have said it better!
Germany, Press News sources of Germany offers comments on Obama's reaction or lack of reaction.
Germany's Embassy's were threatened, have been targeted for attack, Their Embassy in Sudan, was set on fire, protestors stormed it, No one was hurt, they removed all people once warned.
The Statements are from a News sources in Germany
The conservative Die Welt writes:
"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."
"Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali."
"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."
The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:
"The conservative US media have already -- excessively -- labeled the anti-US protests in Egypt, Libya and Yemen as a 'wildfire' and interpreted them as a result of Obama's 'weakness.'"
"It's lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner. Instead of condemning the attacks in a statesman-like fashion and assuring the president of his support, Romney criticized the government's alleged 'apology' to the demonstrators. That was not just nonsense, but partisan maneuvering at a moment when patriotism would have been appropriate. With his attack, Romney has scored an own goal."
Article Link: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-press-review-on-middle-east-violence-against-us-embassies-a-855835.html
This is beyond ghastly. It is beyond words. Ambassador Stevens brutally RAPED
prior too and during his long, painful and tortureous killing is beyond appaling
and my comprehension!
WE had at least a 48-hr warning in advance of this attack on our Embassy, while the
four servants of our country had no security protection in place? OUR servants?
Yes they WERE our servants; ANYONE who serves in our military or in our government
on behalf of this country and our safety, and is subject to following commands,
is OUR servant. WHERE was their protection; where is OURS? I am speechless, mere
words fail me.
Is ANYONE ever going to stop these insane radical Islamic killers? EVER?!
Obama's Administration has failed us AND the lives of our valuable servants
just like the Bush/Cheney cronies did when they IGNORED warnings weeks/months
in advance of the 9/11 attacks on the WTC. There is no Bush in office now and
no Dick Cheney or Haliburton in place searching out and scimming off oil
profits, so what's the ultimate gain this time in not protecting the interests/
citizens of the United States? Are we totally without protection and hope?
It certainly appears so.
Can we place any trust in Romney either? I wonder, since it was obvious that
the recent RNC in Tampa was just one big drunken yacht party for the socially
elite; and particularly in light of the FACT that Romney places the bulk of his
income in off-shore accounts, thereby avoiding paying the bulk of his taxes in
this country, and that's just ONE little example. Yet we are supposed to close
our eyes and blindly elect this con (or the other one) to the White House for
the next four years when we already SEE for ourselves what they are? Don't we
already see the red flags waving the warning signs of our political destiny? Is
this country being left totally high and dry? God help us is all I can say.
My heart aches for Ambassador Stevens and the other three who died in such a
horrible and gruesome manner while trying to serve and protect us. May they rest
in eternal peace, and may their families find some comfort in the years to come.
Fl Anon
I live near Charlotte, most of my family works there. Several were at the DNC convention. The drunks, and lavish parties were there, as well strippers who traveled from near and far. It is the stuff of which conventions are made. They forced Charlotte's poor onto the streets when motel rates climbed. Did the dems care? No. The money coming from the rich (yes, most of those high in the DNC are millionaires, big surprise) was more important than the city's poor.
Obama has never worked a day in his life that we didn't give him a check. "Barry Sotero" has no idea how regular folks live..at least Romney has worked in the private sector. Sadly, the last few years have been elections for the least noxious option, not the best. Our best have no desire for politics any longer. Who would after watching people tear others apart day after day?
At this time, we need a strong leader. Not someone interested in being loved by the muslims. They don't respect any but their own, nor value any but the quaran.
I'm still looking for a reliable mainstream media source for this. The wording of the Tayyar report - "USA Ambassador in Bengazi sodomized and killed by his own al-Qaeda puppets" - reeks of propaganda. AFP, the supposed source of the story, has nothing at their website. The Washington Times article ("We Should Eat Bacon On Their Graves") is more an inflammatory piece than responsible journalism. I can't find the alleged rape being reported anywhere else. Until I see a better source for this, I have to treat it as rumor.
Lemon, you're priceless! Too bad it's true, as you say!
The original link for this rumour is in an entertainment website where they have translated a Lebanese article stating something like Stevens was "laid out like Ghaddafi" - I think someone propagandized this to imply he was raped -- "laid out". All other reports claim he was found not breathing, blackened with soot but not showing visible injury. "Compassionate" looters took him to a hospital. This is what I can uncover so far, so I too doubt this story for now.
I think this link explains most of it: http://www.gazette.com/articles/told-144169-attack-victim.html
These guys were manipulated into turning in their own family members to the U.S. military. Then they were shipped to America. An American woman sought to intervene in an arugument amongst them and was brutally beaten and raped.
This may explain why others want to push socioloy/philosopy/racism/etc. down people's throats.
People who are online stating that others should beef up their security and that they are doing everyone a favor by breaking and entering and teaching others security really only think we should be forced to tolerate such idiocy.This runs rampant among all religions/age/sexes/etc.
Thanks, dadgum. It seems some people jumped to conclusions at first and assumed it was the Westboro church.
It is sounding like the biggest result to come out of this horrible incident is going to be a tightening of what is allowed to be posted on youtube.
All Jones did was use his controversial face to promote a cheap flick against Muslims because he protested outside a mosque in Mich. sporting his Harley "T"-shirt hoping to assemble a bunch or rogue pseudo-Christians who hope to relive their hayday roaring across the open plains on their iron horse pretending to be the rough and ready defenders of the universe.(Remember the Casey Anthony trial in which their local media picked apart a family in front of the world, promoted an idiotic bounty hunter, other preachers out there scamming looking for ghosts with bounty hunter, bloggers denying others in church their right to seek internal peace since they aren't already perfect...yep, it is Florida where many of the hi-jackers trained-they now where the idiots are and where they will go unnoticed).
Baby raping and cold blooded murder is okay in our book too according to what is seen online and rehashed in the news dailey.
If the government considers charges for this media maker' "free speech" then it should do so for all others as much of the media is about inflaming others so they will perform for them as a means to capitalize off the inflamed individuals. They do so claiming they are protecting our freedoms. No one needs guns because the pen is sharper than the sword. 9/11 proves it is not. Journalist act as if they are undercover agents of the government for social and politcal reasons provoking others and denying their liberties for the sake of their own.
The more the Westboro crowd protests, the more gays we see on TV.The more gays we see, the more the fundalmentalists come out of the woodwork. The more fundalmentalists that come out the more opposition to traditional values come out. The more opposition to Christian values leads to fertile ground to a replacement religion.
Will it stop? Doubtful. Who would want it to?
"laid out like ghadaffi" could mean put on public display. If the Ambassador had been dragged up and down streets, tossed over shoulders like a sack, as some other pictures in this published series show, he surely would have been far more damaged on the exterior. As in this above picture his arm appears to be dislocated, no surprise. There are many more cell phone pictures, videos of this atrocity to come. And to title the dragged Ambassador as "being taken to the hospital (by the mob)", oh, yeah, sure, we believe every thing you say. The American autopsy report would enlighten, but, somehow, unless the Ambassador's parents publish it, I believe it will remain hidden.
My thinking is expose everything, cuts the speculation to a minimum. And shows extent of bestiality which would be repellant and unacceptable.
Looking for the link suggesting he was raped before being murdered. This is the only source I have seen making this claim.
The obomination that is president of our great nation hates us! He's too busy golfing and partying to care about us! He loves muslim killers and hates US citizens. God help us if the sheep re-elect him.
There's more to this than free speech. According to a few of the actors, the filming/scripting/premise were based on lies and deception--the director, in ither words, lied about the plot and dubbed over the script they gave him. Its not free speech, it's criminal--he put all of their lives in jeopardy, as well as Americans abroad. To me this is a separate issue from the terrorist acts. I have no idea if they are related, the Benghzai events, but the director meant to set off a shit storm, knew he had to lie about it, and he did. Don't defend him.
The Onion or a haiku. ;)
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