Monday, September 24, 2012

Entering Into Another's Language: "Noise"

It is common for husbands and wives to enter into each other's language.  It is also common for husbands and wives to communicate non-verbally far more than others.  It is also common for those who communicate and think alike to enter into each other's language.  If you admire someone, you might enter into their language and use their phrases, and vice versa.

At times, we can discern when one has entered into the language of another.  Other times, we may be startled by an expression or word that is not common, to enter into two different people's language, about the same topic.

It mostly occurs in situations where much discussion has taken place, or when there is a shared philosophical view.

Recently, Israel has been in the news with the Prime Minister complaining that the President of the United States had time for celebrities, but not for him, as the head of state in a situation where his country wishes to destroy Iran's capability of making a nuclear weapon.  Here we have two statements made about the same topic, in close time frames.  One is from the President of Iran, and the other is from the President of the United States.

Regarding Israel's desire to stop Iran from making a nuclear weapon:

IGNATIUS: “I want to ask as my first question the one every citizen of the world would like to ask today: What is the chance of a war in Iran that would result from an Israeli attack on your nuclear facilities?”

AHMADINEJAD: “I have spoken about this topic at length, previously. We generally speaking do not take very seriously the issue of the Zionists and the possible dangers emanating from them. Of course they would love to find a way for their own salvation by making a lot of noise and to raise stakes in order to save themselves. But I do not believe they will succeed. Iran is also a very well recognized country and her defensive powers are very clear.” 
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STEVE KROFT: "How much pressure have you been getting from Prime Minister Netanyahu to make up your mind to use military force in Iran?"
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Well—look, I have conversations with Prime Minister Netanyahu all the time. And I understand and share Prime Minister Netanyahu's insistence that Iran should not obtain a nuclear weapon, because it would threaten us, it would threaten Israel, and it would threaten the world and kick off a nuclear arms race."
STEVE KROFT:  "You’re saying, you don't feel any pressure from Prime Minister Netanyahu in the middle of a campaign to try and get you to change your policy and draw a line in the sand? You don’t feel any pressure?"

PRESIDENT OBAMA: "When it comes to our national security decisions—any pressure that I feel is simply to do what's right for the American people. And I am going to block out—any noise that's out there. Now I feel an obligation, not pressure but obligation, to make sure that we're in close consultation with the Israelis—on these issues. Because it affects them deeply. They're one of our closest allies in the region. And we’ve got an Iranian regime that has said horrible things that directly threaten Israel’s existence."

What do you make out about the similarity in language?  

The word "noise" is, in context, about Israel's openly stated desire to destroy the nuclear reactor in Iran.  

19 comments:

Tired of Conflict said...

I don't think AHMADINEJAD is an english speaker- this may be a translation.

Either way- I hope our government (Obama included) and Isreal are doing their best to avoid another war in the Middle East. I'm done with these badly behaved people. Let them kill/maim each other for a while.

Anonymous said...

Propaganda being noise I think.

Whatever it is, I'm sure it's from the '70s.

Jews are in WWII era, Americans are in the '60s, and Iranians would be bringing up the rear.

Say, who would like more defense spending to keep the Russians out of our waters?

Anonymous said...

Off topic: Update on Aliyah Lunsford http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/24/family-wants-answers-on-missing-3-year-old-west-virginia-girl/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Jewels said...

I noticed she said "no blood relative did anything to Aliyah. I believe that's because her husband or boyfriend or whatever he was did it but she is covering for him.

Jazzie said...

Israel is one of the most powerful lobbyists in Washington. "Noise" is an understatement when referring to Israel's political agenda, in addition to Iran's bullying Nuke agenda. Ahmadinejad is a Middle Eastern Napoleon whose ear is bent by Muslim Theocrats. Netanyahu has deep military roots and verges on being a War Monger. These two roosters have been bantering big time. I understand that Israel is the only Democratic state in the Middle East. They are also well prepared in the event of a nuclear attack. Should we get more involved either militarily or financially? Categorically no. What amount of resources and how many lives can we keep offering in order to keep peace in the Middle East? This Conflict of Tribes goes back to BC. If reason and diplomacy can't solve this issue between Israel and its neighbors, I hardly think that the U.S. should be pressured into involving itself and our people into yet another "conflict" (aka WAR).

This comment comes on the heel of watching military transport planes taking off yesterday (and hearing them - because the sound is strange and uncanny and they move like dinosaurs through the sky these C-5's). I stand in my field and look up into the sky and wonder, where are they going? Who and what are they carrying? Are they going to Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa... Where? Will they come home safely? What will they find when they get there?

Jazzie said...

Aliyah Lunsford 911 Call:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ogt2A_0Ego4J:seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/06/aliayah-lunsford-911-call-and-child.html+Aliayah+Lunsford,+911+call&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Read the comment about Ralph Lunsford

Jess79 said...

OT: Today marks the one year anniversary of Aliayah's disappearence, and still no answers as to what really happened to this sweet little girl. My heart still breaks for her :*(

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/24/family-wants-answers-on-missing-3-year-old-west-virginia-girl/?test=latestnews

Jazzie said...

"And Aliayah has never been found, dead or alive."
and yet:
"Lena doesn't believe her daughter wandered off and has cooperated with investigators. She's also certain "no blood relative of Aliayah knows what has happened to her,".... "she still believes "Aliayah is out there, alive."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/24/family-wants-answers-on-missing-3-year-old-west-virginia-girl/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz27Rg5TTNE

So Lena... Please tell us where Aliyah can be found.

Anonymous said...

after a year, Aliayah's case is finally getting the exposure it so much deserves:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/aliayah-lunsford-missing_n_1905870.html?ref=topbar

Anonymous said...

First I would want to know why the push to embolden someone to prophet status when the person declared otherwise.
Mind control?
I'd be one irate citizen if this were true.
of course the lack of education keeps them a step up from wild primates.
but, Hitler is more popular than Stalin. freaking savages, they are.

Tish said...

Off Topic:
Hi Peter, I was wondering if you had time to look at this short interview of Thomas Meagher. His wife Jill apparently went missing a few hundred meters from their home on Saturday 22nd just after 1.45am (she was walking home from the pub). The husband said she only had a bankcard and her phone with her - her purse was at home. The area was searched and nothing found. Then on Monday morning her handbag was found in a previously searched lane, laying in plain sight. It is suspected to be planted.
There are several red flags for me. The following is my transcript.

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TM: Police are looking into um bank records today to see if there’s any activity and anything um so hopefully um they get a location off that if if the bankcard has been used cause ah that was the only think that was with her, a bankcard and her phone, she left her purse at home. Um so hopefully something’s picked up with that .
Q: Any luck with the phone, has that been any help at all?
TM: Um no not really I- w - the night she went missing I I rang her about-like hundreds of times but um the phone went- the phone rang but went to voice mail then about eight in the morning it just– the battery must have died it just went straight to v-voice mail so um the police were- I I asked the police to look into to kind of tracing it but I don’t I don’t know if we can if if the phones off. So um, I’m not sure how ah-how much help the phone’s gonna be.
Q; do you know what the police will be doing today?
TM: They’re they’re just gonna do the bank records thing and that’s um I think they’re just doing ah a scan of the area as well. I think they’re down in [bumps microphone] sorry, excuse me, I think they’re in Hope Street right now doing a bit of the, um just a scan of the area ah, but other than that I don’t really know until they update me so...
Q: What about yourself? Do you plan to do something, what do you do-
TM: Well...we’re we’re still um doing lo-loads of postering, and facebook campaigning, twittering and all that stuff. But ah, we just want to get ah I’m doing loads and loads of interviews and media stuff, just just wanna get as much out there as possible you know, it’s it’s Friday night an-and Sydney Road, it’s you know, it’s busy, people have to have seen something or..ah- you know, somebody has to have seen Jill at some stage. Um so, I just want people to kind of really think if they’ve seen anything at all ah to contact the police.
Q; So she’s a regular at the bar isn’t she?
TM: Yeah
Q:What, what have the guys or the, the staff and the owners said, like did they see her leave or anything like th-?
TM: -They saw her leave yeah so um they said she left um maybe one thirty and ah that was um, she left with some work- work friends but I-I- th-that’s all they really know cause she went to another bar after that so um they don’t’ really know what happened to her after that but they’re really upset as well because obviously they know Jill and...um you know, that’s her bar, you know ,that’s where she always goes so.. .


continued...

Tish said...

Thomas Meagher continued:

Q:Tom what are you going through?
TM: Ah hell (laugh) it’s just devastating but um ..yeah just trying to push on. Um as much as possible.
Q:What’s keeping you going?
TM: Just ah hope, just hope somebody see-saw something or she just walk through the door.
Q; Do you still think that could happen today?
TM: I have to. I have to yeah.
Q: Tom what about the mention that she may have been having some issues with– there’s a quote in the paper today about a mid life crisis, all that sort of thing. Do you- is that
TM: A mid life crisis in terms of....?(laughs)
Q: Exactly.
TM: Ah I don’t know. I don’t know anything about that.
Q: does that mean anything to you?
TM: Not at all.
Q: Does it ring any bells at all?
TM: Not at all.
Q:Was she having any issues at all?
TM: Um. No, well, I mean her her dad’s not well. Um but other than that she was, she was rea-she’s really happy here, she’s really happy in Melbourne. We were just discussing that, like the day before she left – or she left or whatever happened. Um, so we were just discussing you know how happy we were here and you know I spoke to her before I left work and she was in great spirits. Everyone who was there that night said she was in really good spirits so um I don’t know I don’t know.
Q:Do you think there’s any chance she may have taken off and just needed, you know, by her own –
TM: It’s – I I I would think it unlikely, just given her character and you know um..it’s just it’s just really out of character you know so i don-I don – I wouldn’t’ think so.
Q:How’s the rest of her family going Tom..through this whole –
TM: Um, obviously ah yeah they’re devastated um they’re they’re over in Perth right now and just kind of they’re constantly in contact and um they’re obviously devastated, they’ve gone through a bit recently and you know it’s um it’s not easy on them at all yeah. Um her brother came over yesterday ah to help me out and he’s been fantastic um so you know, just have to keep pushing on I suppose yeah.
Q:Are they planning to make their way over here?
TM: Ah I’m not sure yet um. You know as I said her dad’s not well at the moment so hopefully um ah we’ll see I don’t know at the moment.

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Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv2R1mn48cQ

deb said...

our president doesn't often speak off the cuff- and my quess is doesn't write his own stuff- so not sure SA is applicable- i'm thinking body language would be a better bet. In that case, Obama- the king of smooth wins (again). I adore this man- he is the definition of the word precious.

Seamus O Riley said...

Deb,

We do Statement Analysis of prepared official statements keeping in mind the context of choosing words carefully. See Avinoam Sapir's analysis of a North Korean statement on nuclear weapons testing.

Anonymous said...

" Should we get more involved either militarily or financially? Categorically no. What amount of resources and how many lives can we keep offering in order to keep peace in the Middle East?"
*ShaynaCat stands and applauds your comment.*
Don't we have enough fires to put out right here in our own country?
-ShaynaCat

Anonymous said...

I think it is an amazing catch on your part, and I think it suggests they have been in close contact about this subject and have both agreed to call Isreal's calls for clarification and help "noise".

I think it's horrifying.

I wish you would do more of this type of statement analysis given the upcoming election, the state of the world, and America's growing mistrust of the press. I think it is so valuable.

Thank you.

sidewalk super said...

Our snappy talking leader is a muslim sympathizer and a "small picture" guy. In a "big picture" position.

He so reminds me of the Laurence Harvey character in "the Manchurian Candidate". He will destroy us.

Lemon said...

BO is aligning himself linguistically with Ahmadinejad. To me, this shows closeness.
No wonder the Israelis are concerned. "One" of our closest allies in the region...indeed.

sidewalk super said...

Lemon, You got that right!