Sunday, September 23, 2012

Statement Analysis: Darlie Routier 911 Call

As requested:  The conclusion of the analysis is at the bottom of the page.  

Darlie Lynn Routier (born January 4, 1970, RowlettTexas),  was convicted of murdering her young son Damon, and is currently on death row awaiting execution by lethal injection. Two of her three children, Damon and Devon, were stabbed to death in the  home on June 6, 1996. 

Darlie Routier was accused of killing both children but was only prosecuted for the murder of Damon, the younger of the two murdered boys. 

Only the DNA of Damon and his mother were found on the kitchen knife at the scene. The murder weapon in Devon's death has never been identified. Darlie Routier sustained knife wounds,  which prosecutors claimed were self-inflicted.  Does the language bear this out?

In Statement Analysis of 911 calls, we have not only the same principles used in all statements, we have the additional observations as researched by Susan Adams.  This included other "expected" versus "unexpected" scenarios of a 911 call, where red flags were issued to alert the police that the caller may have guilty knowledge of a domestic homicide.  These red flags include:

*the call begins with a greeting.  This is not expected in an emergency, nor is overly polite language expected.  There should be urgency.  For an example of greetings or inappropriate politeness (giggling) in serious 911 calls, see:  Tiffany Hartley, Sergio Celis and Adam Baker.  

*the caller disparages or blames the victim.  See Adam Baker. 
*the caller asks for help for self, and not for victim. See Sergio Celis. 

We note the order of the 911 call as priority.  

For an example, see the 911 call analysis of Misty Croslin's report of Haleigh Cummings (5) being missing.  In the call, Misty Croslin establishes her own alibi before reporting the child missing. 

 Courts call 911 calls "Excited utterance" as a way of recognizing the Free Editing Process; that is, the person is speaking "extemporaneously"; that is, choosing one's own words, freely, rather than repeating back the words of another.  This makes the order important in the analysis.  
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Statement Analysis of the call is in bold type with emphasis of italics and underlining added.  The color blue is used to show extreme sensitivity and the color red is used to indicate deception.  

00:00:00 911 Operator #1 ...Rowlett 911...what is your emergency?

The question allows the subject to report exactly what is wrong.  The subject (Routier) must choose where to begin her account.  It is expected that the victims' needs is first.  In Statement Analysis, we presuppose innocence and truth; therefore, when the "expected" is not heard, we are confronted by the "unexpected" and stop, pausing to take notice. 

00:01:19 Darlie Routier ...somebody came here...they broke in...

00:03:27 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
00:05:11 Darlie Routier ...they just stabbed me and my children...

Please note that in a statement, order shows priority.  This is especially evident in a 911 call as the first things reported are the most important.  Here is the order:

1.  Somebody came here
2.  They broke in
3.  They just stabbed me
4.  and my children.

Please note that the most important priority for the caller is that police believe that somebody (singular, gender neutral) came to the caller's home.  The investigator should wonder why the children being stabbed would not be first. 

We also note that "somebody" being gender neutral may be an attempt to conceal identity.  

Why is it important (a priority) that she first establishes that somebody "came" here?  For someone to stab them, he would have to be there.  

Note that second in her priority is that they (plural) broke in to the home.  With bleeding children, why would it matter if they broke in or entered through an unlocked door?  The priority is that someone "came" and that they broke in. 

Unnecessary language:  When language is used that it unnecessary, it is deemed "doubly" important to the analysis.  From the subject's first statement to the operator, we find her priority is to make sure they believe someone "came" there, and broke into the home.  This has, from the beginning, raised suspicion as to why this would be necessary for the subject, since it is utterly unnecessary language.  

00:07:16 911 Operator #1 ...what...

00:08:05 Darlie Routier ...they just stabbed me and my kids...my little boys...

Follow the pronouns: 

Please note that pronouns are instinctive and universal.  Children, from the earliest days of speech, learn and use pronouns properly.  As humans, we are experts at using pronouns, which is why we conclude deception most easily from pronoun usage. 

Here, she says "they" just stabbed me (naming herself first) and "my kids".  Please note that she began with "somebody" (singular) and moved to plural ("they").  Pronoun usage should be consistent.  

Change of language. 

When language changes, there should be a reason found within context. Emotion is the number one impact upon the change of language.  "I heard someone knocking at my door.  I saw a man..."  In this sentence, "someone" changed to "man."  
Question:  What caused the change? 
Answer:     She saw him.   

The change in language is justified by the context.  Here, we do not see any apparent reason to change "my kids" to "my little boys" in the context.  When someone is not working from memory, the language often changes. 

00:09:24 911 Operator #1 ...who...who did...

We may assume that this question, interrupted, would be the natural, "Who stabbed your little boys?"

00:11:12 Darlie Routier ...my little boy is dying...

The question is not answered.  In Statement Analysis, we do not judge the tone or inflection.  We do not need to know if she sounded upset or not.  We need only to know her words.  The teaching from LSI is this:

"The subject is dead; the Statement is alive", meaning that we are only listening to the words she uses, not how they are expressed.  

We note that the subject did not answer the question, making the question "sensitive" to her. 

00:11:25 RADIO ...(unintelligible) clear...
00:13:07 911 Operator #1 ...hang on ...hang on... hang on
00:15:03 Darlie Routier ...hurry... (unintelligible)...
00:16:01 911 Operator #1 ...stand by for medical emergency
00:18:11 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:18:19 911 Operator #1 ...hang on ma'am...
00:21:26 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:23:00 911 Operator #1 ...unknown medical emergency... 5801 Eagle Drive...
00:24:00 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
00:26:24 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:27:12 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am... I'm trying to get an ambulance to you... hang on a minute...
00:28:20 RADIO ...(siren)...


00:29:13 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my babies are dying...

Please note that the language has changed again to "my babies"; We must always note the context.  
"Babies" is associated with death.  "my babies are dying"  
Please note the ability to accept "dying"; rather than maternal denial. 

00:30:12 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...

00:31:09 911 Operator #1 ...what's going on ma'am...

The question is asked:  "What is going on, ma'am?" while emergency services is en route.

00:32:13 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) ...oh my God...
00:33:49 RADIO ...(tone - signal broadcast)...
00:34:01 Background Voice ...(unintelligible)...
00:35:20 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) thought he was dead ...oh my God...
00:39:08 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
00:39:29 Darlie Routier ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...

Every word is critical.  Here, she now says she does not "even" know, with the extra word "even" used for emphasis.  Does she not know?  She reported that "somebody" came to her home, and "they broke in" (which is not in chronological order) and "they stabbed me" and "my children"; so she does know what is going on. 

00:40:22 911 Operator #1 ...attention 901 unknown medical emergency 5801...
00:42:23 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
00:43:15 Darlie Routier ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
00:44:04 911 Operator #1 ...Eagle Drive ...Box 238 ...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook ...attention 901 medial emergency...
00:49:28 Darlie Routier ...who was breathing...

"I don't even know...who is breathing" may be the interrupted sentence.  Since it is expected that she would know her son's identity, this does not make sense to us.  

00:40:10 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
00:51:15 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) are they still laying there (unintelligible)...

If "they" are her sons, she reports their body posture as "laying there"

00:51:19 911 Operator #1 ...may be possible stabbing ...5801 Eagle Drive ...Box 238 ...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...
00:55:06 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...what do we do...

The subject has not asked for specific help for her son.  Note what do "we" do, not what she, herself, should do to either stop the bleeding or help with the breathing issue.  We look for instinctive maternal reactions for life; helping, healing, etc.  This is not evidenced here. 

00:57:17 911 Operator #1 ...time out 2:32...
00:58:26 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
00:58:28 911 Operator #1 ...stamp me a card Clint...
01:01:02 911 Operator #1 ...80...
01:01:16 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:02:13 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:03:05 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:04:07 911 Operator #1 ...need units going towards 5801 Eagle Drive ...5801 Eagle Drive

01:04:07 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my baby's dead...

Note again that "baby" is associated with death.  Before her "babies" were "dying"; here, her "baby" is dead.  We note the absence of maternal denial. 

Maternal denial is critical.  In missing child cases, an innocent mother will not reference her child in the past tense, as if dead, even often under the pressure of mounting evidence, early on in the case.  For some mothers, it may take years, if at all.  

Here it is instant. 

01:07:08 Darlie Routier ...Damon ...hold on honey...
01:08:11 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:08:22 911 Operator #1 ...hysterical female on the phone...
01:10:03 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:10:10 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:10:26 911 Operator #1 ...says her child has been stabbed
01:11:28 Darlie Routier ...I saw them Darin...

The name "Darin" is here introduced.  Thus far, her children have not had their names used.  This is not expected.  Motherhood is highly personal, therefore, we expect to hear the pronoun, "I" often, and we expect to hear a mother use her children's names.  

Please note the complete sentence:  "I saw them Darin; oh my God...came in here" is reiterating that which is unnecessary:  that "they" came in there.  Why does she need to report that she "saw" them since they stabbed her and the children?

This indicates the need to persuade, rather than report. 

In this 911 call, Darlie Routier has the need to persuade police and Darin that people "came" there.  This is a strong indication that no one came there and she is deceptive. 

01:12:21 Darin Routier ...oh my God ...(unintelligible) ...came in here...

01:14:10 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
01:14:24 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:16:25 Darlie Routier ...ok...
01:16:26 SOUND ...(unintelligible)...
01:17:12 911 Operator #1 ...twice Clint...
01:18:26 Darlie Routier ...didn't you get my address...
01:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...5801 Eagle...


01:22:00 Darlie Routier ...yes ...we need help...

Note help asked for "we" here.  She continues talking to Darin.  She is bleeding and has just reported that she and her sons are bleeding, dying.  Note what is on her mind: 

01:22:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible) will be enroute code...
01:24:20 Darlie Routier ...Darin ...I don't know who it was...

By using Darin's name repeatedly, it is a signal that she wants his attention.  She has not asked for his help with the boys' breathing or bleeding issues, but has focused on "they" who "came" here.  Here she now emphasizes that she doesn't know their identity.  This is what comes out of her mouth rather than talking about how to stop the child's bleeding, or to get her other child, whom she declared dead, to breathe.  This is a strong indicator that her priority is convincing both police and Darin that someone came there.  

Why would a stabbing victim need to persuade police and a person present that someone actually came and did this?  She is attempting to persuade, while being recorded, both police and Darin that someone came there.  It is her priority; not the children.  

01:24:23 911 Operator #1 ...2:33 code...
01:26:15 Darlie Routier ...we got to find out who it was...

Repetition indicates sensitivity.  Here, she continues her repetition of "who" the assailant is.  The identity of the killer is more sensitive (important) to Darlie Routier than the condition of her children.  

01:27:12 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
01:28:04 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am listen ...listen to me...
01:29:27 Darlie Routier ...yes ...yes ...(unintelligible)...

01:30:23 RADIO ...(unintelligible) I'm clear ...do you need anything...

01:32:08 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:32:20 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:34:00 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible)...
01:34:22 911 Operator #1 ...do you take the radio Clint...
01:35:23 911 Operator #2 ...yes...
01:36:12 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:36:25 911 Operator #1 ...I...ma'am...
01:38:03 Darlie Routier ...yes...
01:38:17 911 Operator #1 ...I need you to ...
01:38:23 RADIO ...(unintelligible) start that way (unintelligible)... will revise...
01:39:28 911 Operator #1 ...I need you to talk to me...
01:41:21 Darlie Routier ...what ...what ...what...
01:44:25 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:44:28 Darlie Routier ...my babies are dead (unintelligible)...

"Children" and "little boys" were stabbed; but "babies" are dying or are dead.  This should cause investigators, particularly any investigative psychologist, to go into the topic of motherhood with her. 


01:46:20 RADIO ...go ahead and start that way ...siren code 4 ...advise...
01:47:10 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible)...


01:48:03 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) do you want honey ...hold on (unintelligible)...

This appears to be directed to one of the children.  She does not use the child's name.  

01:49:17 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...I can't understand you...
01:50:21 Darlie Routier ...yes...
01:51:18 911 Operator #1 ...you're going to have to slow down ...calm down ...and talk to me...
01:52:19 Darlie Routier ...I'm talking to my babies ...they're dying...

Consistent use of "babies" with death.  She has declared them both "dying" and "dead"


01:55:03 911 Operator #1 ...what is going on?

The expected response is that her children are bleeding, or having trouble breathing.  The question is posed to her again.  She has been talking to Darin, and to at least one of the children. We expect to hear her ask for guidance or help on how to stop the bleeding, or how to keep the child breathing: 

01:56:29 Darlie Routier ...somebody came in while I was sleeping ...me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs... 

She continues with the sensitive repetition (deception indicated) of the arrival to her home of assailant or assailants.  Now she continues with more detail:  "while I was sleeping"
Please note the singular "somebody" which is also gender neutral. 
By now, she would know if "somebody" (singular) is a man or a woman.  The use of the gender neutral suggests that she is concealing the gender of the assailant.  
Note "little boys" and not "babies";  they are still alive and not associated with death in her account, so they are not "babies"

Please note that as she has continued to attempt to persuade that someone came there, she has indicated that the topic of someone going there is "sensitive"; to the point of deception.  This indicates that no one came there.  

02:02:00 RADIO ...(unintelligible) I'll be clear...

02:02:20 Darlie Routier ...some man ...came in ...stabbed my babies ...stabbed me ...I woke up ...I was fighting ...he ran out through the garage ...threw the knife down ...my babies are dying ...they're dead ...oh my God...

Note that now she gives us the gender:  "man".  He is "some" man.  This is an indicator of deception: 

The assailant has already been introduced, twice, as "somebody" and now should be "the" man; not "some" man.  This is an indicator of deception
that he is "some man" is deceptive and indicates withholding of the identity of the assailant.  He should be "the" followed by "man" but more likely harsher terms.  

Next, we note the chronological order:  When someone speaks from memory, chronological order flows easily.  

1.  The most important issue to her is found in the repetition of the word "came" as it is used repeatedly.  Since he would have to have "come" there in order to do all these things.  
2.  Now she changes the language and order from "stabbed me and my children" to "stabbed my babies" with the word "babies" associated with death (above) coming before herself.  
3.  She now adds in that she was stabbed and then she "woke up"
This suggests, by her words, that he had already come, broken in, and stabbed the babies as she slept through it all, and was even stabbed before she woke up.  

When someone is lying, it is difficult to keep track of the chronology of the story because it does not come from memory. 
4.  "I was fighting" rather than "I fought"
5.  He ran through the garage
6.  He threw the knife down
7.  my babies are dying
8.  they're dead

The fact that he "came" there is first, and the babies are last.  Note the continued change from "dying" to "dead"; neither are expected in maternal denial.  

Note that the babies being dead is repeated. 

02:14:23 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...stay on the phone with me...
02:16:11 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
02:17:06 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:17:29 911 Operator #1 ...what happened (unintelligible) dispatch 901...
02:20:15 Darlie Routier ...hold on honey ...hold on...

Note that the absence of the children's names. 
Note "hold on" is present tense, as if alive and not dead. 

02:22:01 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible) who was on (unintelligible)...
02:22:26 911 Operator #2 ...it was (unintelligible) the white phone...
02:23:08 Darlie Routier ...hold on...
02:25:26 911 Operator #2 ...they were wondering when we need to dispatch ...so I sent a double team...
02:25:28 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God...
02:28:08 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...thanks...
02:28:21 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:29:20 SOUND ...(unintelligible)...
02:30:01 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:30:20 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
02:31:06 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
02:31:14 911 Operator #1 ...who's there with you...
02:32:15 Darlie Routier ...Karen ...(unintelligible)...

Note "Darin" was first name introduced, and now "Karen" is introduced into her language.   This was not lost on the operator who will now ask who is in the house: 

02:33:15 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
02:34:06 Darlie Routier ...what...
02:38:11 911 Operator #1 ...is there anybody in the house ...besides you and your children...
question asked: 

02:38:11 Darlie Routier ...no ...my husband he just ran downstairs ...he's helping me ...but they're dying ...oh my God ...they're dead...

Note that her first response is "no" since she already said that "somebody" who later became "some man" already "ran" through the garage and dropped the knife. 
Now it is "my husband" (after "no") ran.  
Note that she said he is helping, but again "they're dying" and "they're dead" with acceptance of finality.  

02:43:24 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...ok ...how many little boys ...is it two boys...
02:46:06 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
02:46:25 Darlie Routier ...there's two of 'em ...there's two...
02:48:18 RADIO ...what's the cross street on that address on Eagle...
02:50:15 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...who would do this...

The subject continues to press the sensitive issue of identity.  She saw "who" did this and the need to continue to repeat herself over and over shows that the sensitivity is due to decepetion. 


02:53:13 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible) listen to me ...calm down ...(unintelligible)...

02:53:21 Darlie Routier ...I feel really bad ...I think I'm dying...

This is critical.  She reports how she feels, and it is "bad", qualified by "really".  
But it is her next sentence which shows deception:

"I think I'm dying" shows weakness.  She only "thinks" that she is dying, but knows that the "babies are dying".  This should lead investigators to check her wounds versus the wounds of her "babies", with hers being much less, so much less, in fact, that she would not have the same certainty of death that she had for her babies. 

An innocent mother would not accept her babies "death", even in panic.  This is the maternal instinct in language.  It is the same instinct Solomon appealed to in the Bible when he called for the custodial dispute to end in death, knowing the maternal instinct of the biological mother would prevail.  

Darlie Routier knows that she is not dying.  Darlie Routier knows her children will die, or are dead.  She accepts the unacceptable.  This is an indicator of guilt, just as it is when a child is reported kidnapped or missing and the mother references the child in the past tense, as if dead.  It goes against instinct and is indicative of guilt. 
See Susan Smith, Casey Anthony, Billie Jean Dunn, Rebecca Celis, Deborah Bradley; as well as fathers, Sergio Celis and Justin DiPietro. 


02:55:06 RADIO ...228...
02:56:06 911 Operator #1 ...go ahead...
02:58:12 RADIO ...(unintelligible) address again (unintelligible)...
02:59:12 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
02:59:22 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:00:22 911 Operator #1 ...5801 Eagle Drive ...5801 Eagle Drive...
03:03:28 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:03:29 911 Operator #1 ...going to be a stabbing...
03:05:20 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:06:20 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...they're on their way...
03:08:00 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...

03:08:08 Darlie Routier ...I gotta just sit here forever ...oh my God...

Note body language position mentioned.  

03:11:14 911 Operator #1 ...2:35...

03:12:05 Darie Routier ...who would do this ...who would do this...

Since she "saw" who did this, she knows the answer.  She repeats the question as a point of sensitivity.  This is yet another indicator that she knows the answer and wants to persuade the police that she does not. 

03:13:09 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
03:14:26 911 Operator #1 ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
03:16:08 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...how old are your boys...
03:18:20 Darin Routier ...what...
03:19:03 911 Operator #1 ...how old are your boys...
03:20:04 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
03:20:21 911 Operator #1 ...no...
03:21:01 Darlie Routier ...seven and five...

The answer, "seven and five" comes from memory.  Most children will always give the chronological order of their children.  

03:22:17 911 Operator #1 ...ok...
03:23:08 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God ...oh ...he's dead...
03:29:02 911 Operator #1 ...calm down ...can you...
03:29:03 Darlie Routier ...oh God ...Devon no ...oh my God...

Note that "Devon" is now mentioned for the first time, in the negative, "no"


03:30:27 SOUND ...(dog barking)...
03:35:02 911 Operator #1 ...is your name Darlie...
03:36:11 Darlie Routier ...yes...
03:36:26 911 Operator #1 ...this is her...
03:37:09 911 Operator #1 ...is your husband's name Darin...
03:38:22 Darlie Routier ...yes ...please hurry ...God they're taking forever...
03:41:20 911 Operator #1 ...there's nobody in your house ...there was ...was...

03:44:05 911 Operator #1 ...you don't know who did this...

Note that the Operator #1 has been listening to her repeat "who did this" over and over 
03:45:19 Police Officer ...look for a rag...
03:46:11 Darlie Routier ...they killed our babies...

Note that the "somebody" (singular, gender neutral) became "some man" (note lack of article, and now introduces gender, and is singular)
now becomes "they"

Deception indicated

She is unable to stay consistent with singular or plural attackers.  Here, they are plural. 

03:48:03 Police Officer ...lay down ...ok ...just sit down ...(unintelligible)
03:51:11 911 Operator #1 ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...

03:52:13 Darlie Routier ...no ...he ran out ...uh ...they ran out in the garage ...I was sleeping...

Note the order:

1.  He ran out
2.  They ran out
3.  I was sleeping

Deception indicated

She is unable to keep her story straight.  Is it one man?  
She is unable to keep her chronological order straight because it does not come from experiential memory.  

03:54:09 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible)...
03:56:19 Darlie Routier ...my babies over here already cut ...can I (unintelligible)...
03:59:29 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible) phone is right there...
04:01:28 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible)...
04:03:01 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...

Darlie Routier has shown her priority is to prove that someone came and did this.  Alibi building is priority.  She now has the presence of mind, while "thinking" that she is dying, to instruct police on how to conduct their investigation:  


04:05:02 Darlie Routier ...ya'll look out in the garage ...look out in the garage ...they left a knife laying on...

She instructs them twice to look in the garage.  This is important to her.  
Note that "They" is plural and note that "some man" left a knife. 

04:08:21 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:09:19 911 Operator #1 ...there's a knife ...don't touch anything...

This would not normally be a non issue, especially since she is "sitting" there and "thinking" she is "dying", but given her repetition, the 911 Operator is acutely aware that something is very wrong with this caller, so the operator says what would not seem necessary:  don't touch the knife. 


04:11:18 Darlie Routier ...I already touched it and picked it up...

This means her DNA will be on the knife. 


04:12:05 RADIO ...10-4...
04:15:20 911 Operator #1 ...who's out there ...is anybody out there...
04:16:07 Police Officer ...(unintelligible)...


04:17:06 Darlie Routier ...I don't know ...I was sleeping...

Ignorance of the attack due to sleeping is part of the alibi building in her story. 

04:18:14 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am ...listen ...there's a police officer at your front door ...is your front door unlocked...
04:22:11 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:22:15 Darlie Routier ...yes ma'am ...but where's the ambulance...
04:24:21 911 Operator #1 ...ok...
04:24:23 Darlie Routier ...they're barely breathing...

Note that previously they were "dying" and "dead", but here, they are "barely breathing" but instead of asking for instruction on how to help them breath, or to stop the blood, she kept repeating how she did not know "who" did this.  

04:26:17 Darlie Routier ...if they don't get it here they're gonna be dead ...my God they're (unintelligible) ...hurry ...please hurry...
04:31:13 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...they're ...they're...
04:32:18 Police Officer ...what about you...
04:33:06 911 Operator #1 ...is 82 out on Eagle...
04:34:18 Darlie Routier ...huh...
04:35:12 Darin Routier ...they took (unintelligible) ...they ran (unintelligible)...
04:36:28 911 Operator #2 ...(unintelligible)...
04:37:08 Darlie Routier ...we're at Eagle ...5801 Eagle ...my God and hurry...
04:41:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:41:22 911 Operator #1 ...82 ...are you out...
04:42:25 Police Officer ...nothing's gone Mrs. Routier...
04:44:10 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God ...why would they do this...
04:48:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible) to advise (unintelligible) 200...
04:50:18 Police Officer ...(unintelligible) the problem Mrs. Routier...
04:50:21 911 Operator #1 ...what'd he say...
04:51:29 Darlie Routier ...why would they do this...
04:53:08 Darlie Routier ...I'm (unintelligible)...
04:54:07 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...listen ma'am ...need to ...need to let the officers in the front door ...ok...
04:59:11 Darlie Routier ...what...
05:00:04 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am..
05:00:22 Darlie Routier ...what ...what...
05:01:15 911 Operator #1 ...need to let the police officers in the front door...

The operator got her attention with "listen, ma'am" and prepared Darlie to know they were coming in the front door.  Darlie said, "what? what?" so the 911 operator repeated that the police were coming in the front door. 

What reaction did this trigger in Darlie Routier?  Please take careful note of what is of concern to her, while her children are "barely breathing":  

05:04:21 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) his knife was lying over there and I already picked it up...

She does not express concern for her children, but about her fingerprints and DNA being on the knife:  

1.  It is "his" knife.  This gives ownership of the knife to the "somebody" and "some man".  Note that it is singular, even though she has said, "they" did this. 
2.  Note "knife was lying".  Principle:

When an inanimate object is reported to by "lying, standing, sitting" etc, the passive language suggests that the subject placed it there. 

Knives cannot "lie down", nor "stand" nor "sit"; so when this language is employed, it is a verbal signal that the speaker (subject) is responsible for the placement.  This is commonly seen in murder weapons and in drugs. 

"The drugs were sitting on the cabinet" is an example.  

3.  "already" attempts to shift blame:  it was already touched by her before the operator warned her.  

Did she do this while she was "sleeping" or was this part of the "I was fighting"?

Deception indicated

She has established that when her fingerprints are found on the knife, that it was already addressed.  The mother's instinct should be on the children, which it is not.  This mother's instinct is self preservation and alibi building, and an attempt to persuade all that someone did this, and it was not her. 

The need to deceive is an indicator of guilt. 

05:08:19 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...it's alright ...it's ok...
05:09:20 Darlie Routier ...God ...I bet if we could have gotten the prints maybe ...maybe...

She is dying from being attacked after watching her sons dying from being attacked yet uses the language, "I bet", indicating a disconnect (a linguistic disconnect) from the attack reported. 


05:13:18 Police Officer ...(unintelligible)...
05:14:18 RADIO ...82 ...we'll be (unintelligible)...
05:17:12 Darlie Routier ...ok ...it'll be...
05:18:08 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...hang on ...hang on a second...

She next turns to Darin and has the need to attempt to persuade him of the same:  

05:19:09 Darlie Routier ...somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it Darin...

1.  "Somebody" returns to the gender neutral.  Deception indicated.  Once someone has been identified by gender ("some man") returning to gender neutral is an indication of attempt to conceal identity. 

2.  "intentionally"  This is an unnecessary word and shows that she knew the killer's intent.  It indicates planning. 

3.  "walked"  the inclusion of the killer's body posture ("walking") indicates an increase in tension for the subject at this part of the story. 

Her willful attempt to persuade that someone came in indicates that the killer was there all the time. 

Her attempt to conceal the identity of the killer indicates knowledge of the killer's identity. 

The identity of the killer causes an increase of tension. 

The mother accepts the children's deaths, even while they were still breathing. 

The mother's concern is her alibi and not the welfare of the children.  Her assertion of them being dead is strong, but of her dying it is weak.  This shows intimate knowledge of the stab wounds' impact upon the victims; something the killer would know.  

The mother knows the intentions of the killer. 

05:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...82 ...10-9...
05:21:23 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
05:22:28 911 Operator #1 ...received...
05:23:05 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:24:12 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am...
05:25:13 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:26:20 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
05:28:00 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
05:29:08 Police Officer ...(unintelligible)...
05:29:23 RADIO ...received...
05:31:19 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
05:33:25 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...is the police officer there...
05:35:14 Darlie Routier ...yes (unintelligible)...
05:35:23 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...go talk to him ...ok...
05:38:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...

Total length of tape is 5:44:28



The analysis conclusion:   Deception Indicated:  the 911 caller knew the identity of the killer. 

The language of the 911 call shows:

1.  The caller has guilty knowledge of the murder of her children.
2.  The caller has the need to persuade police that someone came to the home.
3.  The caller cannot keep her pronouns or articles straight.  
4.  The caller cannot keep the chronology of her story consistent. 
5.  The caller has intimate knowledge of the killer's intentions and thoughts. 
6.  The caller is more concerned with evidence pointing to her than her children's lives. 

Deception is indicated in this call by Darlie Routier.  

The language shows that she, Darlie Routier, is the "somebody" who knifed her children.  The language shows that her wounds were not lethal, but her "babies" wounds would indeed be; that is, known at the time of this call. 

Darlie Routier has guilty knowledge in the 911 call made in this domestic homicide.  

39 comments:

Ivanna-Anna said...

Thanks! That was quick!

I'm new to this, but here's my go:

When someone dies, it takes time to accept it, and that's natural.
When you have an emergency, you prioritize.
You take care of your family. You comfort them if they are hurt, you
demand help, and you will not let them die.

I started reading and taking in the info:
This was a break-in.
The caller (Daria) had been stabbed.
Her boys had been stabbed. She put herself first, so she was either
hurt much worse off than her boys, she didn't care about the boys, or
she had stabbed them herself.
The came the surprise: her boy was dying! This was only her 4th most
important message, yet it's what she should have shouted out
immediately.

If someone is dying, you fight to keep them with you. Yet, she keeps repeating they are dead, dying, dead, dying. She should not accept they are dead, not even when they are cold, pale, and stiff.

Topic of the call: she's building an alibi. She's wasting time saying irrelevant information on the phone, like repeating God 30 times, mentioning what she does not know, saying she was asleep, and saying her fingerprints might be found on the knife. She should cry out for help for the boys, and get back to comfort & help them.

Focus: She started by listing herself before the boys, twice. She then keeps focusing on her own problems, and how she feels bad. She should talk about how they boys feel. She doesn't seem to answer questions naturally, like how old the boys are, but that could well be because she can't hear the operator properly.

The bottom line is that the call was about Darlie, not the boys, and her emergency was not that her boys had been stabbed and were dying because she'd already accepted the deaths. Her emergency was the
needed for an alibi; the message was: 1) she had been asleep 2) there was a good reason her fingerprints might be found on the knife.

Ivanna-Anna said...

part 2)

I started the process by taking an open attitude. I decided to write down my first reactions,and take it from there.I was meant to start looking at the sensitive words etc, but I didn't get that far.

This is how it went:

00:01:19 Darlie Routier ...somebody came here...they broke in...
- this is the most important info to the caller. Is she reporting a burglary?

00:05:11 Darlie Routier ...they just stabbed me and my children...
- she's reporting a stabbing (why did she not say it immediately?)
- her order of importance 1) me 2) my children

00:11:12 Darlie Routier ...my little boy is dying...
- ! Why did she not shout this out immediately? Shout help! He needs help!

00:15:03 Darlie Routier ...hurry... (unintelligible)...
- is she hurrying them to get help for herself or her son?

00:29:13 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my babies are dying...
- now both of them are dying! Why did she not say so immediately? What's wrong with her?

00:32:13 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) ...oh my God...
- time is running out! ask for help! From the operator, not from God!

00:35:20 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) thought he was dead ...oh my God...
- She has already thought they were dead? She has accepted her son's death? She should not accept his death! That's bad :(

00:39:29 Darlie Routier ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
- tell her what you know, not what you don't know! You're not helping! Ask for help! Hurry!

00:49:28 Darlie Routier ...who was breathing...
- Give them CPR! Who was breathing when? How long ago did this happen?

00:51:15 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) are they still laying there (unintelligible)...
- I don't know! You should know! They are your babies, go find out! Who's there with you?

00:55:06 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...what do we do...
- Help the boys, that's what! Do something, anything! CPR, talk to the operator.

00:58:26 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
- stop repeating that, help your boys! CPR! Don't leave them alone!

01:04:07 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my baby's dead...
- If you accept it, you've done it! If you haven't done it, go try and save him!

01:07:08 Darlie Routier ...Damon ...hold on honey...
- This is bad: Hold on honey, mom will be right back :(

01:11:28 Darlie Routier ...I saw them Darin...
- (yes, in the mirror)

01:22:00 Darlie Routier ...yes ...we need help...
- I'd ask for whom, but no need now. You've already told us you've done it, so you don't want help for the boys. You want help for yourself.

01:24:20 Darlie Routier ...Darin ...I don't know who it was...
- I do. and even if I didn't, the operator doesn't want to start guessing who it was. They don't care! You shouldn't care! Their job is to help the boys stay alive, not support you while you guess who did this.

(etc.)

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Forever Curious said...

This is amazing. You couldn't miss this woman's desire to build an alibi if you were utterly clueless. I find it unconscionable the 911 operator kept trying to get info from her instead of instructing her on providing emergency aid to the boys, though. She never asked whether the children were still breathing or whether they were bleeding out or anything that would give an indication of their condition. She should have been having the mother check their pulses and starting CPR on one of them if needed. Also, all the cross-talk suggests they weren't very efficient in getting the police sent out.

john said...

Peter,

I was wondering,when she says.

".He ran out through the garage ...threw THE knife down"

She introduces the knife with the deffinate article.

Then she says.

"They left A knife laying on"

Shouldnt "A knife" come before" The knife"

As in, once the knife as been identified it then becomes THE knife.

Unless she is herself the one wielding it..?

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine stabbing myself even if I had stabbed the children and hoped to get away with it. Sounds painful. I ripped a toenail off and almost passed out from the instant pain!

Anonymous said...

Not to mention if you woke up and found your kids stabbed, then got stabbed yourself, what would you be doing chasing a fleeing perpetrator and picking up the knife he used, then putting it back down, all before calling 911???????

Eliza said...

Thank you for analyzing the call, Peter!

I first heard the 911 call, before reading the transcript, and although Routier seemed hysterical I found obviously disturbing the fact that she talked so much about the knife and the fact that she touched it. That's the beauty of SA: that we don't listen to the tone of voice, the crying etc but only to the words that are said by the subject.

Ivanna-Anna, you made an interesting analysis, too!

This is not a SA thing, but it was a pretty unexpected behavior by the mother to throw a birthday party with silly string on the graves of her children, just days after the killing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E32kWqtu7o
Some people say that everyone grieves in their way, but I think it's quite unusual as the video states.

ima.grandma said...

John, an article I found interesting can be found at http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/2008-pdfs/june08leb.pdf.
Others are: http://behindthecrime.wordpress.com/about/911-homicide-calls-is-the-killing-calling/ and http://www.911callers.com/. There is a detailed study beginning on page 139 of http://www.forensiclinguistics.net/iafl-10-proceedings.pdf.

Beaumonts ShopSaving Momma said...

I think u guys are missing what was happening behind the scenes of a phone call u are listening to. U can't see what she is or is not doing. Her husband was there, a police officer was there. Her blood was everywhere at the sink when she was advised to get towels to put on her sons. Three on one two on the other. She was with one so. When her husband was with another. She helped her husband who was administering CPR to Devon and was helping close his wounds so the air wouldn't come out. She didn't even realize nor her husband that she was also injured till the policeman pointed it out to her. She wanted the person caught. She wanted ambulance to get there quicker. Her husband said it was so much blood that they knew they were gone that they couldn't make it. She wasn't sitting on a chair watching it and not helping. She was also injured and losing an extreme amount of blood. Was probably in shock from the tragedy and her own injury. Did u see the police footage of the birthday party at the grave. The two hrs before the minute u saw. The prayers, crying, hugs, sermon with their pastor. Two hrs folks. Than they tried to give their son what he wished for a birthday party her sister brought snaps and silly string not Darlie. Her whole family has stood by her innocence. Never waivered. What about the dark car in the street outside the home, going up and down stooping slowly at the house. Same car went by morning if murders slowed until the cop went towards it and sped off. What about the two guys walking on either side if the road a few blocks from their house at 2:30 am spotted by a neighbor on way home one matching her description clothes to the long straight hair. No no u can't see what she did at home with her sons by listening. Why didn't the operator help walk her thru CPR. She was obviously scared, panicked, to think straight. Her husband knew CPR trained for last 7 yrs she helped him when he administered to Devon. She was with her sons that's why her blood was everywhere.

Beaumonts ShopSaving Momma said...

I think u guys are missing what was happening behind the scenes of a phone call u are listening to. U can't see what she is or is not doing. Her husband was there, a police officer was there. Her blood was everywhere at the sink when she was advised to get towels to put on her sons. Three on one two on the other. She was with one so. When her husband was with another. She helped her husband who was administering CPR to Devon and was helping close his wounds so the air wouldn't come out. She didn't even realize nor her husband that she was also injured till the policeman pointed it out to her. She wanted the person caught. She wanted ambulance to get there quicker. Her husband said it was so much blood that they knew they were gone that they couldn't make it. She wasn't sitting on a chair watching it and not helping. She was also injured and losing an extreme amount of blood. Was probably in shock from the tragedy and her own injury. Did u see the police footage of the birthday party at the grave. The two hrs before the minute u saw. The prayers, crying, hugs, sermon with their pastor. Two hrs folks. Than they tried to give their son what he wished for a birthday party her sister brought snaps and silly string not Darlie. Her whole family has stood by her innocence. Never waivered. What about the dark car in the street outside the home, going up and down stooping slowly at the house. Same car went by morning if murders slowed until the cop went towards it and sped off. What about the two guys walking on either side if the road a few blocks from their house at 2:30 am spotted by a neighbor on way home one matching her description clothes to the long straight hair. No no u can't see what she did at home with her sons by listening. Why didn't the operator help walk her thru CPR. She was obviously scared, panicked, to think straight. Her husband knew CPR trained for last 7 yrs she helped him when he administered to Devon. She was with her sons that's why her blood was everywhere.

Anonymous said...

unfortunately controversy surrounds this case unnecessarily. if you woke up because someone was stabbing you, yes your initial reaction might be to jump up excitedly in a panic, maybe even scaring off the attacker but as soon as you saw your bleeding children lying on the floor, yourself, the attacker, what happened, who did it, those things would pale into insignificance and the first thing you would do would be to call 911 for an ambulance, (darlies first answer to "what is your emergency?" was somebody came here, not I NEED AN AMBULANCE QUICK!), then maybe simultaneously call for your husband because how did she know that her husband and other child hadnt been attacked too? you may need an ambulance for them too. i wouldnt stay on the phone for 6 minutes trying to figure out what had happened, who had done it, why, oh god no, i would be cradling my sons, i would be talking to my sons, i would be praying to god that my sons wouldnt die, not try to convince some stranger on the phone of my theory!

Basse said...

Ivanna-Anna -- Why did you just re-post what the article read? Weird.

Anonymous said...

I remember standing in our living room shoulder-to-shoulder with my husband years ago, watching Susan Smith on T.V. crying for her sons who had been supposedly taken when she was carjacked. That was just a day after the event. Her ex-husband (or soon to be ex) was there with her. They were surrounded by law enforcement. She was appealing for the return of her kids, bawling, "I love them SO much!!!" It was THE water-cooler story of the moment - the horror of it. That poor girl . . . my god - she looks like a teenager! And those kids, they're darling! I can't even imagine what I'd do if this happened to me! What kind of *&//#! would do this??? (Susan Smith, of course, had conjured up the most convenient Boogey Man possible a young, random black guy.) So we stood there, watching this along with millions of other Americans. I remember feeling horrible for the ex-husband, who seemed genuinely distraught. Susan, however, left me cold. After the press conference was over, I turned to my husband and said, "She's lying." She was arrested, I think, a couple of days later.

Listen, I'm not a professional in anything, not educated in psychology, criminology, or any related field. I can't use the language of the person who put together this excellent analysis or even, sometimes, put my thumb on whatever it is that stinks to high heaven. But I have always had a pretty fine-tuned "BS Detector." I have an excellent record of knowing when someone is lying, or trying to con someone, or even exaggerating.

Darlie Routier is a sociopathic POS. She's exactly where she belongs and doesn't deserve to ever see the light of a free day again. But, my, she sure does have a helluva PR machine at work, doesn't she? The endless crap on the web purporting to "prove" her innocence, accusing prosecutors of targeting her because they A. botched the investigation, or B. just wanted to believe Darlie did it. Darlie, with her big Betty Boop face and overly-feminine 'poor wittle me' mien . . . but she's so SWEET. No way she could have slaughtered those beautiful little boys! So she had a Silly String party on top of her children's fresh graves - so what? So she was laughing her head off and snapping gum like she didn't have a care in the world! Everybody grieves differently . . . don't you know that? Who are we to judge? So there wasn't any hint of a blood trail leading through the garage and outside . . . and so what if the boys were viciously stabbed in their chests and Darlie somehow received wounds that weren't that terrible . . . and so what if the dog didn't make a peep during the alleged attack . . . C'MON - how dare you believe that Darlie committed this crime?

*SIGH*

Anonymous said...

When your child is hurt you become frantic when you believe the injury is serious. Whoever "analyzed" this 911 call, in my opinion, did so LOOKING to find guilt with this mother.
This mother was also wounded, probably in shock, and hysterical.
I call my kids, "kids", "my babies", "the boys", and several other things other than their names.

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Anonymous said...

Why would you want to touch the knife that was used to stab your children, that seems really morbid.

melissa nicole said...

She had me almost sucked into .......UNTIL I READ THIS TRANSCRIPT AND YOURRRRR COMMENT! She is so guilty AND my heart is with her CHILDREN and her mother whom isn't in a position to MENTALLY contend with reality.

melissa nicole said...

I believed she is innocent bc I WANTED TO. Also, I have NEVER read this 911 transcript. HOWEVER, immediately into reading the initial three likes she did it. Case closed. Also... YOUR COMMENT SEALED IT! This is so EASY. No innocent mother would EVER react as THIS! FORGET THE SILLY STRING.... THIS TRANSCRIPT IS THE STORY...the confession in her OWN words. Susan Smith SHED NO TEARS ...RECALL?

Anonymous said...


What I would like to know is why Darin wasn't the one calling 911 seeing as Darlie was in critical condition. Darin was too calm considering his children were stabbed to death and his wife was in critical condition. I believe Darin is sneaky and I believe with all my heart he is responsible for this tragedy!

Anonymous said...

When I stumbled upon this transcript I must say I was uncertain of her guilt. She was quite convincing because after all who wants to believe a mother would or in any way be capable of such a horrific crime. After reviewing this page I am now convinced she is where she belongs. It isn't easy trying to imagine that night or why such events took place at the hand of the one person that Damon and Devon trusted to protect them.

Anonymous said...

The reason Darin didn't make the 911 call is that Darlie was already on the phone to 911 when he came down the stairs. Odd, ha? A woman wakes up to herself and her kids being stabbed and doesn't first scream for her husband. Darin also was trying to save the children's lives, Darlie apparently did not know CPR and Darin did. There is so much evidence against her, which is why I suppose all of her appeals have been denied. She is definitely where she deserves to be. Thanks for this interesting statement analysis.

Robbie said...

Darlie did scream a scream that woke Darin. Yall need to look at everything like I did. The prosecution hid so much crap and the police bumbled the crime scene. She was in shock and who in their right mind would cut their own throat and hope they didn't kill their self. She was 2 cm away from her jugular. Her necklace saved her. She is innocent and deserves to be free. Anybody that thinks otherwise is just plain ignorant. I've dealt with unethical prosecuters and the justice system. If they want you, they are gonna get you. Get Kelly Sigler on the case and the truth will come out. If she says Darlie did it,then I'll believe it. She is beyond reproach!!!

CHRISTINE MILLS said...

Did anyone hear on the call when she says to darin about nothing is touched or missing how would she know that listen to the call would love to knowvwhat everyone thinks about that

Anonymous said...

No matter what people say about finding a fingerprint that had not been identified nothing can explain away the childs bloody handprint on the sofa that was wiped away, the blood in the sink that was washed away. The blood UNDER the overturned sweeper and wineglass. The screen that was JUST slit and not torn at all nor the fact that their was still dust on the ledge.. No footprints and last but not least, they killed the children with such force yet Darlie who could fight , who could of stopped them was not.. How bout when she said the child yelled mommy and was by the couch and the guy was on her, then the story changed.. Staged scence.. Explain valid reasons how all these things ocurred. WHO would think to say I picked the knife up.. WHO would say THEM then HE?? WHO when their kids were dying would run past them?? Nothing explains this away.. NO jewlery taken, pocketbook untouched.. Come on. They can find as many fingerprints as tey want but explain the other EVIDENCE away..

Unknown said...

I have to chime in. I love statement analysis. I do not know sa yet. I am only reading the blog from start to current...
Most importantly, i understand why this calls conclusion is what it is.

But, i strongly disagree. I do not know anything about this case, so if she is found guilty or it comes out she actually hired someone or similar, just disregard.

But, i must remind readers, i come from a narcissistic, pathological lying background.

I lied constantly due to a wife i was hiding an addiction from, an inability to be wrong, an inability to admit i was not the same self confident man i was before. It was the most painful time of my life, and that includes my father committing suicide and my mother losing our house, car, possessions to gambling. She even broke into my room, stole my vhs movie collection of 200 movies and several thousands comics,i bought with my own job money when i was 15. She sold the comics for .25 each. And the movies for a $1 so She could gamble. She had bought me her favorite movie for my 15th bday. Little Big Man with Dustin Hoffman. She stole every single movie i had, and she left the one movie she gave me. I smashed it on the ground, and left it for when she came crawling back to the empty house. My step father left. Taking the only brother i ever had. I never saw them again. I ran away that day, and never went back.

All that pain combined did not come close to the pain i caused myself by deceiving my wife.



Anyway, so understand i can offer a different insight. I understand it seems a mother would ask for help for her babies first, but i have called 911 when my son had a feverall seizure. I knew to panic was to me misunderstood. To be misunderstood is to risk my sons life. To be misunderstood is to be possibly feel i am not being believed. For a narcissist, this is unacceptable. Not consciously more unacceptable than trying to help my son.
Certain, logical speech will become the norm for the liar, or even the honest spouse, whose significant other is Actually a liar. A liar can screw their loved ones concept of reality up so bad it will shock you.

so if the mother in this call is married to, or had a parent incapable of believing her. She would adopt this point by point speech pattern.

My wife does this And she has never maintained a lie for any length of time. I am sure she has lied, but she never betrayed my trust. I was betraying her, and was happy when i came home to a lie, because it allowed me to justify.

I am rambling... Part 2 coming

Unknown said...

Allowed me to justify my lies in my addicted, selfish coward brain.

I started the 911 call with a panicked hello. Not as a greeting, but to confirm i had her attention, as i was too frantic to hear whatever she started the call with.

I said hello to ensure i could be understood. I was frantic. My adrenaline was rushing so bad i started shaking and couldn't even stand on my legs, but i didn't realise until much later. Anyway, i said i need help. This sounds weird after system analysis, but quite logically, i was the one speaking. to say my son needs help seems like extra info to me. I understand now that it is not, but to a couple of parents with no concept of confidence in our ability to Provide the truth.
I am the same way introductions of my family. I never say my wife. Wifey, or my son, son#1, son#2 or son#3.

Most people do not care what a persons name is whom they have never met. When i speak to someone casually, and they are telling a story, if give extra information regarding names, age, what city they are from, how long they've been married, i instantly cut them off, and say "woops. I lost interest. Maybe end your stories a few sentences early from now on"

This sounds harsh, and knowing you guys, utterly deceptive. But i am a sales manager. I run a team of 11 more sales people, whom i have trained each one myself in door to door sales. I tell them, regardless of what you are saying, or if you just started your pitch or whatever. The very instant the customer shows buying signs, stop saying whatever you are saying. Mid word or sentence. Say "lemme go get it. I'll show you what it looks like m be right back" then when coming back to the door, do not set the item down, instead ask if you can come in, enter and ask where they want it Setup...
I learned very early it is not only possible, but actually probable, you can talk yourself right out of a sale. So when you hear the slightest yes, or they say over their shoulder "babe. You want this?" you stop talking. Then around, walk away.

Say back over your shoulder you're "going to just run and grab it real quick. Let you see what it looks like"

This is minimizing and works wonders in sales.

So it is quite common in sales for reps to attempt to close a customer with the least amount of words, or to close a customer that just slammed the door in the face of another rep.

It sounds exactly what this mother sounds like. It's a very... Would Peter call it passivity? I call it logical panic. She is panicking. Yet if she was guilty, she would be unable to frame any confession, because of her inability to either believe, or be believed, she would not be able to frame something like "my baby is dead" only the truly innocent, with no thought towards any consequence of an internally framed confession. "i am starting to think the suspicion is aimed at me, and people enjoy shouting that i killed my son.

This is exactly how i called 911. I also use the term they for anyone i am not familiar with. They bought my product. They wrote a check. They passed credit. They think i killed my family...

I was not thinking about any possible drug charges, when the cops got there. I was not thinking what an innocent call sounds like. I had spent years trying to figure out what an innocent statement sounded like. And the more i tried on my own, the worse it got.

Unknown said...

Arrrgh screw the whole story. I can't get it to post. It explained why i use they singular, why i greeted 911 and why i needed help when my son was having a seizure.

It was my emergency, because i called. my step father is an emt so i know the operator is just dispatch. I don't usually waste time giving them info, because it is never accurate when the cops get there, and you would have to repeat it anyway.

Plus, when he was seizing, my wife and son were asking what's wrong and were terribly upset. My priorities did not have "EXPLAIN WEIGHT /HEIGHT TO 911 DISPATCH" anywhere near them.

My priorities shifted, since i knew the ambulance was on its way, whether i talked to the script reader or not. But what i could not ignore was my middle son seeing his brother turn purple from not breathing, his eyes rolled back, and his body stiff and convulsing. He witnessed this and got scared. After he realized his mom was hysterical, and this situation was scaring his parents, he became ultra scared. I was not interested in the operator, still in my ear asking what was wrong.

I was telling my second son "it's OK. He's OK. Daddy is gonna fix him" as i gave him mouth to mouth, not knowing every seizure causes loss of breath for a few minutes.

My wife told me "if you can't fing fix him, you fing carry him to the hospital! " and she actually took off running to the hospital. I screamed after her the ambulance is coming.

The operator was asking what was wrong. Screaming do not cpr! You will break his chest.

I said to stop fing talking and just dispatch an ambulance!

911 call statement analysis would throw all sorts of red flags.

Unknown said...

Arrrgh screw the whole story. I can't get it to post. It explained why i use they singular, why i greeted 911 and why i needed help when my son was having a seizure.

It was my emergency, because i called. my step father is an emt so i know the operator is just dispatch. I don't usually waste time giving them info, because it is never accurate when the cops get there, and you would have to repeat it anyway.

Plus, when he was seizing, my wife and son were asking what's wrong and were terribly upset. My priorities did not have "EXPLAIN WEIGHT /HEIGHT TO 911 DISPATCH" anywhere near them.

My priorities shifted, since i knew the ambulance was on its way, whether i talked to the script reader or not. But what i could not ignore was my middle son seeing his brother turn purple from not breathing, his eyes rolled back, and his body stiff and convulsing. He witnessed this and got scared. After he realized his mom was hysterical, and this situation was scaring his parents, he became ultra scared. I was not interested in the operator, still in my ear asking what was wrong.

I was telling my second son "it's OK. He's OK. Daddy is gonna fix him" as i gave him mouth to mouth, not knowing every seizure causes loss of breath for a few minutes.

My wife told me "if you can't fing fix him, you fing carry him to the hospital! " and she actually took off running to the hospital. I screamed after her the ambulance is coming.

The operator was asking what was wrong. Screaming do not cpr! You will break his chest.

I said to stop fing talking and just dispatch an ambulance!

911 call statement analysis would throw all sorts of red flags.

jo said...

I can hardly believe what I am reading here. Does this person not read what he is writing. He said there was deception when Darlie talked about her babies in past tense, but he says nothing when she refers to her children as still being alive after the police arrive. Meaning she hasn't accepted their death.

The term Darlie uses when say they, she isn't using that word to mean past tense. If you want to pick Darlie apart then why not use this call to decide if Darin is involved or not.

Darin has never refered to his boys by name he has always used the words babies.

Darin is in the background trying to convince Darlie that it was an intruder that broke into the house. He even goes on further to say they took, he is pushing to make sure that the police hear him clearly when he is describing where the intruder went.

It was Darlie who was argueing with Darin telling him they didn't take anything, Darin isn't heard but you can hear Darlie telling Darin this was not a robbery, she is convinced someone tried to kill her and her boys. At this time nobody knows that Darin had been asking around to find someone to do a home robbery so he can collect the insurance.

The deception here isn't with Darlie its with Darin, now that we know more about the case and have watched and read Darins versions of the what happened, this just confirms his involvement.

If the same theorys on Darin it makes him look guilty not Darlie

Anonymous said...

Its really too bad that this couldn't have been done before the trial. The lawyer, Cooper insisted that Darin was not involved, but I believe he knew all along Darin was involved and deliberately kept evidence away the jury and prosecution.

jo said...

Are you kidding, Look at Darins comments he is trying to convince Darlie that there was a robbery, Every theory fits Darin. After the police arrived Darin was trying to convince them that a man had followed his wife home from the tanning salon. The guy is a perverted creep that killed his boys out of revenge. I cant even look at his picture anymore I want to vomit

Marge Bunn said...

i had to read that bullshit twice...darlie did it..and she will die for it watch she might have 3 yrs left...if u believe darlie is innocent...i guess u believe theres aliens at my front doorbcoming to take me away...will u believe me just cause u cant see u just want attention like darlie...this probley her mom or someone

Marge Bunn said...

i had to read that bullshit twice...darlie did it..and she will die for it watch she might have 3 yrs left...if u believe darlie is innocent...i guess u believe theres aliens at my front doorbcoming to take me away...will u believe me just cause u cant see u just want attention like darlie...this probley her mom or someone