TM: Um. No, well, I mean her her dad’s not well. Um but other than that she was, she was rea-she’s really happy here, she’s really happy in Melbourne.I’m doing loads and loads of interviews and media stuff, just just wanna get as much out there as possible you knowDropped pronoun in regard to geting stuff out there.He repeats just twice not only minimising what he is doing, it also shows sensitivity.You missed the "She WAS, she WAS rea-" then he changes toshe's.Past tense is she not happy any more?The fact he repeats it as well makes it sensitive.He seems to be aware of tenses and catches himself when he slips up.He is a mess red flags all over the place.He is involved up to his eyeballs in her disappearance.He knew there would be media interestand LE would be watching which is why he keeps stopping himself and correcting tenses.He probably thought it would be easier than it is.The darn journalists keep asking the wrong questions.He maybe thought he could do the spiel, act the desperate husband and they would leave, he wasn't expecting probing questions.I expect if he does any more interviews he will be better prepared even to perhaps reading a statement and no questions to be asked.
Mystery continues to surround the disappearance of Ms Meagher, with police revealing they were investigating whether her handbag had been planted in a Brunswick lane by someone connected to her disappearance. The 29-year-old's handbag was found discarded in the lane off Hope Street on Monday morning by a passer-by.But Detective Inspector Potter said police had already searched that lane in the hours after Ms Meagher, an Irish national, was reported missing.''There are two options, either police in the original search missed the bag or the bag has since been placed at that laneway after the police searched it originally,'' he told ABC 774, where Ms Meagher worked as a member of the Local Radio Victoria team.The handbag contained Ms Meagher's credit card but not her mobile phone, which remains missing.Ms Meagher is believed to have left Bar Etiquette at 1.30am on Saturday, intending to make the short walk to her home in Lux Way, after declining a colleague's offer to accompany her home. Her home is less than one kilometre from the bar......A number of women have reported being attacked or followed by a vehicle in the same area of Brunswick where Ms Meagher vanished.New CCTV footage also emerged yesterday of the ABC employee walking home on Saturday morning. The footage shows her walking north along Sydney Road, Brunswick, just south of Hope Street, at 1.41am.Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-scour-the-home-of-jillian-and-tom-meagher-20120924-26gku.html#ixzz27Uj2c5G8**********If they have footage showing her walking home, wouldn't it also show if something happened to her there? Suspicious.
Ut oh. One more thing. The husband said she left her purse at home. She only left with a bank card and cell phone. How then did they find the purse along the place she walked home ?? Someone is lying.
Rut roh..... or Ut oh as Ms. Boston put it.... Q:Tom what are you going through? TM: Ah hell (laugh) it’s just devastating but um ..yeah just trying to push on. Um as much as possible.I am curious about the questioner stuttering. Is it because they are busy thinking and stutter to stop and think about the question? I notice our President Obama stutters a LOT and so does his wife, First Lady Michelle. Is stuttering something someone does to "buy time?" I think stuttering is like doing the "Umm" , "uhhh" etc.
In the UK a handbag and purse are different....... we put money in a purse and put the purse in a handbag. Maybe in Australia or Ireland they also use different terms?I think her husband sounds suspicious but I wanted to add that - maybe she took a small 'going out' handbag with cash and one card for emergencies, leaving her purse at home in case she was to lose it. That's what I do haha
Just viewed a video of the area in which she went missing. Judging from the graffiti, I'd guess she has been snatched by a like kind.On one wall there's rethoric about not having to leave their name; then, not far away, an anarchy symbol. Into the alleyway, in full blown hypocrisy, a dollar sign circled just as the "A" that represents the anacharist. "V" for Vendetta will tell how this will turn out since her wallet has been discovered after others already know it was never there in the first place.Social media will wreck this case!
There is a quote in the Irish Sun from Tom where he again uses part tense in reference to his wife. He days "she was my best friend" I am on my phone or I would post the link
St..st..stuttering is n..n..not being able to get the words out. Some people stutter all the time. Some people only when they are nervous. One would need to know the speakers normal pattern - if they are a normal stutterer or not. Ummmm and uhhhh is most likely stalling and/or thinking.
Hi Hobnob. How is SA applied to someone who normally, on an everyday basis stutters and is basically a nervous wreck when speaking to others/strangers? I know we have to look at their normal speaking pattern, but if they normall stutter, I assume SA is difficult to apply?
Yes, I would like an answer on that as well! Or mabey point me in the direction of an older piece you have wrote.
OT - Isabel Celis parents speak. This is the video. Once again, the father shakes his head no as he states he knows she will be found. They have painted Isabel's room and replaced all of her furniture. Why would they do this???? I would not want anything changed so I could remember every little thing. wow.http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-says-faith-keeps-them-going/#!prettyPhoto/0/
BostonLady, wow! I would think I would keep her room the same for HER too, assuming she was kidnapped, and I was expecting her to come home.
I just watched an interesting "Investigator" show.. The husband was found guilty, of killing both his wife and daughter, but every statement he made he used present tense. He used his wife and daughter's names, he used pronouns as "I" etc..... It was weird, because I just kept listening only to what he said on TV and thought, he is innocent, based on SA. ............/sigh the baby girl was only 6 years old.I think these shows cut so many clips out that it is hard to use SA based on what they show in the one hour time.
@AnonymousSeptember 25, 2012 1:26 PM - I do understand what you say, kind of.... I just got into a similar disagreement this past weekend. Their was a girl (25ish years old) saying that if girls wear slutty clothes they DESERVE to be raped. I hope I am not reading your post right. NO ONE deserves to be raped. I was raped in the middle of the night(break in) and the police decided it was because the local newspaper posted a picture of me. (Not an excuse, in my eyes).What ever she did, she did not deserve to die from anyones hand. She might have been living a less than great life. Maybe she had demons that she was dealing with, that is still no reason to kill her. And pretty women do deal with demons the same as ugly ones. So saying, "Look at her. Such a pretty girl." WRONG.... she was pretty but that does not mean she is perfect. She still should not die for her looks.
Interesting question and I've wondered about this too. A close friend of mine doesn't stutter on an everyday basis, only stutters when he's really drunk and depressed. Stutters the pronoun "I" frequently when in this state. When he stutters, it's a big red flag that he's in a very distressed state.
I wonder if they have repainted and replaced all her furniture because there might be incriminating evidence.They found blood before in the bathroom and showe curtain i wonder if they feared blood elsewere on the furniture, carpet of walls or maybe cadaverine.New everything means nothing incriminating in their eyes.Cadaverine however can still be detected even afer being cleaned thoroughly or painted over (the same as with luminol)Perhaps also they are getting rif of everything that reminds them of Isabel.I would be interested to know if any of her clothing is still there,, hairbrushes and personal stuff.It wouldn't surprise me if they have done the equivalent of erasing her presence from the house, no nasty reminders of her life.I would be looking to see if there are any pictures of her on the walls.
Anonymous 1:26pm - you have issues. You are very angry, bitter and judgemental. You have no idea what has happened to this woman and you are already insulting and disparaging her? There is no statement from the victim. The police are still trying to piece together what happened. You are basing your opinion on your own issues.
In answer to "was she having issues?" the said, "We were just discussing that, like the day before she left – or she left or whatever happened."Then later he is asked if he thinks she might leave on her own and he says it would be out of character.
Thank you for this analysis Peter. I agree Hobnob, lots of red flags for me too. A couple of other things that caught my attention: We were just discussing that, like the day before she left – or she left or whatever happened.He refers to her 'going missing' as having 'left'. so um they don’t really know what happened to her after that but they’re really upset as well because obviously they know JillHe deviates from the question of 'did the staff see her leave' to how the staff felt. It's unnecessary information to say they are 'really upset as well'. Isn't everyone upset? Who wouldn't be or isn't upset? Um her brother came over yesterday ah to help me outHe considers the brother there to help him, rather than to help 'look for Jill'. Of note: TM stating she only had a bankcard and phone on her is in direct contradiction to her handbag being found in the lane. The lane was searched by police on Sunday with no evidence found. The handbag was found in plain sight, by a passer-by on the Monday morning.
Police have discovered the presence of a mystery man in CCTV footage of Jill Meagher as she walked home before her disappearance on Saturday morning.This morning, police confirmed that CCTV footage will be examined frame-by-frame to determine whether the man was following the ABC employee in the minutes before she disappeared.Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mystery-man-found-in-cctv-vision-of-jill-meagher-20120924-26gku.html#ixzz27X47TeqB******It may be a coincidence that someone else was walking along the same path but it does sound suspicious. Maybe they will be able to break it down and make it who it is. The article also states that while their apartment was being searched by LE, the husband was seen pacing on the balcony.Another comment, unless Jill typically came home the next day after being out for the evening, not reporting her missing until the following afternoon seems concerning.
Here's a godd one concernining the $$ made off social media's attempt to make the world a better place: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14099349-confronted-about-child-porn-man-shoots-two-deputies-in-san-diego-county?liteIs $50,000 an average price to pay for child porn these days? If so, it's no wonder people's children are missing, dead, permanently messed up and will abuse their own for the same reason in the future.
What a contrast to Etan Patz' parents.
"A number of women have reported being attacked or followed by a vehicle in the same area of Brunswick where Ms Meagher vanished."I wonder if she was aware of this? Not very wise to be walking home alone, especially after drinking.
Update:http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national-news/jill-meagher-cctv-footage-released-3665840.htmlThis is the CCTV footage of Jill Meagher. She is seen talking to man in a blue hoodie (he walks past frame twice before talking to her). It places her on the street at 1.41am. She has her phone in her hand and is presumably dialing her brother for the call she made to him at 1.43 - 1.45am. She is said to be carrying two bags in the footage; an ABC bag and her handbag. I'm sorry, I cannot find video of the press conference to link. When asked if Police had looked at footage from the Meagher's appartment building the Detective said yes. He was asked if it showed Thomas leaving the building to search for his wife but he would not comment on any details of that footage. When asked if it showed Jill Meagher getting home the Detective baulked and said 'She did not arrive home, no.'I appologise I don't have the direct quotes of that. I found it odd the Detective could not say outright that she was not in the appartment biulding footage and why he could not confirm that the footage backed up the husbands story of going looking for his wife at 4am. It would make sense he went looking on foot using the pedestrian entrance/exit. But I wonder if he went by car - which would not make sense, given the closeness of the bars and that walking would be more thorough if she was hurt in an alley or lane. Is this why the Detective would not comment?
She is so beautiful. How sad.
http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-news/police-release-cctv-of-missing-jill-meagher-3666172.htmlThis clip of the CCTV footage is a bit better - the first link I gave cut off the right hand side of the footage.
From his language it would seem that he does not have a good relationship with Jill. Also, he has not made a plea to her or her abductors. With the bankcard, he is hoping that if she has used it since disappearing this will give them a location, but surely the main reason to check if she has used the card is proof that she is still alive/ok. This seems lost on him. "Note that he states that the bankcard was the only thing she had with her, which suggests that it is not with her currently."The bank card was later found in her handbag in an alleyway. The police suspect the bag was planted there by someone because they had searched the area earlier and seen no sign of it.I hope the police have been asking him the right questions, even if the journo's haven't.
Hi Missunderstood, Anonymous and Jazzie. SA can be done on anyone with a speech impediment such as a stutter, all we need to do is look for their normal speech pattern, what words they normally stutter on for example.Stutterers will have particular sounds they have a problem with so when listening to them listen for what normally causes them to stutter and what words they have no problem with i have a friend who stutters badly (or really well depending on your point of view)If they stutter on words they don't normally have a problem with then pay close attention to the topic being discussed. The temptation with stutterers who have a bad stutter is to finish sentences for them.Don't, especially if analysing their statement since you are then interpreting what you think they meant and thus end up analysing your own words as well as theirs.If you are the one asking questions you can always go back to the topic/question which caused them to stutter and try phrasing the question differently to see if they change their language, if the answer is consistent or if they stutter and where.You can then can ask a non sensitive question and see if they stutter and if so what sounds they struggle with.It is a case of learning what is their normal pattern of speech, their rhythm so to speak.Analysing someone with a stutter is harder work than someone who doesn't however they will all have a pattern of speech which is normal for them.I know when my friend is out of sorts as her stutter is terrible compared to when she is fine.If you have friends who stutter you will have learnt over time what words and sounds they struggle with, it is the same with analysis,genral chitchat about non sensitive topics will give you an idea where the stutter appears, they are usually consistent regarding the sounds so once you see where they have the stutter, look for where else it shows or doesn't show. (it is interesting to note that some stutter when talking yet sing with no stutter)
Thank you Hobnob. I appreciate the time you take to answer others questions (mine included of course)!!
When someone says they are "sorry"....How old? I need you to calm down."I’m sorry she’s she’s only three."Please note "I'm sorry"has entered into the subject's language. This is always noted no matter why the subject is using these words (see Casey Anthony's 911 call) We red flag it because it enters the language of the guilty. It does not conclude guilt (we do not make conclusions on a single indicator) but is part of an overall view. We wonder if there is guilt within the caller that causes the words, "I'm sorry" to enter the language. When was the last time you saw him?It’s a girl. This morning. Real early. I went in and checked on her because she’s been sick with the flu."This guys bumps the microphone and says sorry
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I wonder if, now that you've proven completely and utterly wrong on everything you have posted here, whether you have the guts to apologise to Tom. I wonder if having absolutely no sleep and no experience dealing with the media EVER comes into consideration when posting your ridiculous analyses. I wonder whether you're going to claim, like every other dim witted speculator that it was 'just your opinion'. Never mind that this is a real human being that doesn't deserve your fucking nonsense. I would hate if anything that happened to Tom, happened to you, but if it did, I would hate it if you came across people like you. Go fuck yourselves. Dickheads
Oh man - I just realised that some of the responses in agreement with this idiocy are from as late as April....what the fuck is wrong with you people?? Not only do you not have the decency, humanity or moral fortitude to issue an apology. Not only do you still leave this post up, you still praise it, even though you're completely incorrect. Do you really not see anything wrong, or even morally ambiguous with this. Shame on all of you. This blog is a fucking sick joke.
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