Friday, December 14, 2012

School Massacre in CT

At least 28 dead, including 18 children.  No statements at this time.

NEWTOWN, Conn. (CBSNewYork) – At least 26 people are dead, including 18 children, after a gunman opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Friday morning, CBS News reported.
The shooting appears to be the second-deadliest school shooting in the nation’s history, exceeded only by the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech.
State Police Lt. Paul Vance would only say that students and staff were among those killed. He would not give details on the exact number of victims and said families were being notified.
The gunman is also dead. Vance said his body was found inside the building.


Randie said...

two gunmen

one shot his own mother (teacher)

Dee said...

News conference said 20 children. Apparently there were two taken to Danbury hospital who have since died. There is confusion over who the gunman actually was, Ryan Lanza or his younger brother. One is dead, one is in custody. At his mothers house there is also a secondary crime scene with a person deceased (no word on who). His mother was a kindergarten teacher at the school. There is reportedly a whole classroom of kids still "unaccounted" for and reports are it is her kindergarten class. That sob shot innocent 4, 5 and 6 year olds.

It is a sad, sad day here in Connecticut.

Vita said...

Dadgum' and I have been following the press live streaming since 1:30 Eastern,

As it unfolded, we going back and forth posting.

We are in the Chat Room
Listening Live Stream

Vita said...

Come in the chat, if you would like to talk - All are welcome.

Sometimes it helps to talk

Nic said...

What cowards checking out *after* killing innocent by-standers -- so they wouldn't have to stand accountable for their crime.

If [you're] not happy with your lot in life and that's the only out you see, then fine. But leave everyone else out of [it].


Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
Dee said...
News conference said 20 children. Apparently there were two taken to Danbury hospital who have since died.
There was an article that said a hospital closed down expecting wounded that didn't arrive…it's unexpected, the horrific evilness that must embody a man to methodically murder 20 little babies.

Jay said...

I wish they never publish his photo, never say his name. Just call him shooter or murderer of 20 children. I am convinced that knowing that their name, photos and story of their lives will be in the press, tv, radio all over the World is encouraging these covardly nobodies to became "famous". Not having the courage to kill themselves and disappear, they have to put themselves in situation that fear of punishment for what they did forces them to kill themselves.
Our psychologists are obviously doing something very very wrong, not seeing WHY is this hapenning.

shmi said...

Have they figured out if it was one gunman or two?

Vita said...

Not claiming anything.

I heard of the shooting on the press at 1:20 pm today. I began listening to live stream, which was on site at the school at 1:30pm. I turned off the live stream audio about one hour ago.

Everything from jump was information that was slowly frantically being fed to media. This at 1:30 was complete utter chaos. What time the press was actually on the scene, I do not have the answer.

Information: It was flying in, no one to be able to confirm anything from any one source. Everything said was changing by the second, then to change again after moments.

Clearly this event today was as it has been said, Historically the worst ever massacre in America upon our " Children"

Elementary School is not a church, it is not sacred. It is though a place many children find their second home, their trust, their friendships, their growth.

NUMB comes to mind. That this has not Sunk in yet. What has happened, let alone who did this act of treason, against our most innocent, our most precious, our children.

Live streaming at 9pm, the children deceased remained still inside the school. Authorities to be preparing a morgue for the parents, on site. This is unfathomable to hear, let alone know it was truth. That the parents were not yet to see their own babies, children at 9PM Eastern. The shooting to commence 12 hours earlier.

There is no nutshell to report. The shooter, 20 yr old Adam Lanza remained as well inside the school at 9pm. His mother he killed not able to identify him. His brother taken in by authorities, they using him as informant. The father Lanza ? where he was? or is? he is probably inconsolable. Knowing his 20 yr old son, on this day, did what he did. He would not be human otherwise.

I think of my daughter her youth when I think of these children. Her at this age. She at 5, life was simplistic. Life was amazing and beautiful unless you were tired, or had a tooth coming in or falling out. The trust of a child to be inside their classroom, warming up from coming in. Getting ready, getting settled in, beginning the morning routine.
Then this

I have no words

Anonymous said...

One gunmen. Brother is alive, innocent. Father is alive. Mother was not a teacher there. Lots of misinformation.

Lemon said...

I can't comprehend what the parents and community, and those that love them, must be going through.

Anonymous said...

Our psychologists? Our FAMILIES are failing each other. How do you not notice someone is that mentally disturbed?
We want our babies to sleep on their own, in their own rooms. We work full time. Spend a couple hours with our kids a day. Get sitters on the weekends. God forbid the children get in the way of our lives. Plop them down in front of a tv...a video game. Anything that gets them out of our way.
There's no familes looking out for each other. No village raising a child...autonomy Is praised.

BostonLady said...

Horrific. Evil. He killed babies. Innocent little babies in their first year at school - kindergarten. Why?

My heart goes out to the families and friends of this horrible tragedy.

Anonymous said...

anony @ 11:04, gag, PUKE! You must be a man whose never given birth too, worried your bains out, or raised children; or some woman who lives in a dream world of her own. There has NEVER been a "village" raising our children and there never will be.

Poor mother, gets up at the crack of dawn, quietly rushes around to get herself ready for work, too tired last night so she finishes up the kitchen from the night before, hurries to find something for the kids to wear to school, quickly quickly makes their lunches, finds their bookbags, shoes, coats, daydreams in her heart how she wishes she had more to give them, how she wishes she could afford to give them lunch money for a hot lunch at school;

Oh well, maybe she can still pull it off to buy them a new coat for christmas, maybe some boots, but for now she's going to be late for work, she still has to stop for gas on the way to work, gotta rush rush, get them up in a hurry, no time to doddle now.... Oh God. She just remembers, the lights may get shut off today. And THIS is just the beginning of her day.


Where's that FK'N village you belong too? hummmm?

Anonymous said...

We can all point fingers at what we think caused this puke to go mass murder little kids. Guns, video games, tv, dysfunctional families, lack of mental health help, etc, etc, etc.

The problem whether I like it or not or whether anyone else likes it or not is a complete breakdown in our society. From top to bottom. From bottom to top.

Anonymous said...

The problem in THIS case anon at 7:06 was NOT caused by a breakdown in our society. Our society knew nothing about this young man's problems just like society knows nothing about YOUR problems.

THIS is a sicko who went nuts and WAS nuts. His mother knew he was mentally sick, was working with him, had quit her job and was staying at home to take care of him; on top of that he was using drugs. The only thing I can't figure is why she had a gun collection in the home, knowing he was dangerous. Go figure.

But again, society at large had nothing to do with this!

Unknown said...

God be with the babies whose lives were stolen out of their tiny little school chairs with thoughts of Chistmas just around the corner: there are no words. The innocent faculty members doing their jobs-all had their lives ripped away by a sick kid with a vendetta against his parents. It is unfathomable. All parents, students, siblings, faculty members---you are ALL in my thoughts and prayers. My heart beaks for you all.
Most Sincerely,

Anonymous said...

I agree this was a preventable tragedy. The mother, RIP, should not have had deadly weapons in the house. That should be covered by mental health professionals as part of the intake process. It bothers me all the talk online about his autism vs. his personality disorder and learning disability along with drug use. The help this man needed was available. Surely someone knew he was violent ?

Statement Analysis Blog said...

I'm with you, Meag.

I think that sometimes it is best to just let things be, and not rush to assign blame and have to hear politicians seek to capitalize on it.

It just hurts.

Thanks to Vita, Dadgum and others who kept the chat room going. It helps to talk these things through.

I was having such a nice quiet break at home when the news hit and Heather burst into tears and told me about it.

I respect those who step back and let things be, but then will look back and see if anything could have been done, but there are not always answers.


Anonymous said...

Wow, you called it! You totally pegged me. Or, I'm a mother of five. I was a single mom for 7 years, met a wonderful man and had four more beautiful children. Disgusted with the way my own family abandoned at age 5, I vowed never to let that happen to us. I have been there for every child I am related to or know. We are THAT family. Everyone knows they can come to us for help, support, babysitting...anything but money because that we don't have. Between my husband and me, we have 5 jobs. One of us is always with our sitters need apply. Does this work for everyone? No. But we bust our asses to make sure out kids are surrounded by people who care.
You're effing clueless. My point was, how is it these people are either left alone to their own torments, or no one around them cares that they have problems? Our culture is wrong in wanting to be separated not unified.
Also, your general tone makes you sound like an ass.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:21, you were responding to someone elses post. Please clarify, who is your post directed at? Who one are you speaking too?

My heart goes out to you for sticking with and supporting your large family, I understand how it can take five jobs between the two of you to do it, and admire you for opening up your heart and home to help others along the way as much as you can.

Not every parent and home is physically or emotionally able to do what you are doing and struggle far beyond their means. I too, once worked three jobs just to make ends meet and my son did not go lacking for attention and love from me, nor did I miss the functions that were important to him. It was hard, but we made it. Congrats to you.

Anonymous said...

I'm jot the anon you're replying to...but with what you said it's statistically shown that working so gle mothers actually spend more quaility time with their kids than stay at home married mothers.

Anonymous said...

I doubt we will ever know the pain, agony and the heartaches the mother of Adam Lanza lived through. I'd almost lay odds on it that he had been abusing her, if not physically, certainly emotionally. He may even be the underlying cause of the parents divorce. God rest her soul. I hope she has found peace now.

It is very difficult for the parent of a mentally/emotionally disturbed child to control them. There are many cases of record where parents did everything they could for their disturbed child and found it nearly impossible to gain outside help that actually benefitted them or the child. To date, we don't know what this mother might have tried to do to help her child, or even to protect her own life.

I do know, that in most states it is impossible to have your child commited to any type institution once they have reached 18 years of age, or even Baker Acted for three days, until after that child has commited a crime and by then it is too late. The child must agree to go voluntarily and won't. I pity the parents who live in this type of torturous hell with their adult child. They know their child is dangerous and can do nothing about it. THIS is where society fails; that is, the laws that do not protect others from this insanity.

Oh God, this is so tragic. All these sweet little innocent children shot dead, watching their death as they died; and the lives of six caring adults with families of their own, shot dead before their little eyes. So so sad and heartbreaking. We can only cry.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 4:00, I can relate to what you are saying. I've personally known stay at home mothers whose children would have been better off if left with a sitter or in a day care facility where they could have been properly cared for. Not all stay at home mothers are good mothers, also I've known of cases where some of these mothers were abusive to their helpless children.

amar said...

I felt a part of me die when I learn of this unimaginable act of horrific violence. This pain runs deep. Why? Why did this happen? How? How can we stop evil behavior?

Skeptical said...

I was able to distance myself from the tragedy until I saw this little girl's name on the list of children. Josephine Gay, Dec. 11, 2005. 7 years and 3 days old. She celebrated her birthday on Tuesday.

notamuser said...

As an offering of one "how," there are SRO programs in 35 states.

I grew up in a safe suburban community in a county bordering a 1,000,000+ metro area. The sheriff's dept there has an SRO program that provides an armed, experienced sheriff's deputy at each elementary, middle & high school in the county. They were not "scary" & did more than just provide security (intervention, counseling, DARE, other educational seminars.)

Just a thought.

Randie said...

Peter the killers's Father put out a statement:

“Our hearts go out to the families and friends who lost loved ones and to all those who were injured,” Peter Lanza said. “Our family is grieving along with all those who have been affected by this enormous tragedy. No words can truly express how heartbroken we are. We are in a state of disbelief and trying to find whatever answers we can. We too are asking why. We have cooperated fully with law enforcement and will continue to do so. Like so many of you, we are saddened, but struggling to make sense of what has transpired.”

Anonymous said...

No confirmation or suggestion of drugs. Allusion to Asperger's and OCD, does not make him a 'sicko' by virtue of those diagnoses alone. Those are non-malignant conditions of the psyche and behaviors.
Let's wait and see what comes out and is confirmed. If you've been reading carefully you'll remember they got the name wrong, accused 'two' shooters, supposedly pulled someone out of the woods, said mother was a teacher and she is not, may not have ever bern a teacher, etc. We don't know about drugs. Supposedly a girlfriend and friend of this so called loner are missing, also vague rumor. He could have been delusional and had a psychiatric, not personality, disorder. Or he may simply be a sociopath. He is certainly hated and rightfully so...if he was truly mentally ill we can still hate his actions. But dont make claims you cant back up.

Anonymous said...

You can do an involuntary 72 hour hold. It's worthless to most people, though. Thanks Ronald Reagan. My family was personally affected by the disenfranchising of the mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

You can do an involuntary 72 hour hold. It's worthless to most people, though. Thanks Ronald Reagan. My family was personally affected by the disenfranchising of the mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:53 a.m., it is not as easy to have someone Baker Acted (72 hour hold) as your post implies. There are many restrictions placed on this type hold, one would need to research them before attempting to do this and be prepared to pay some hefty legal fees.

Agreed. Ronald Reagan and his administration were highly detrimental to urgent care programs for the mentally ill, also he/they disenfranchised secondary education for all the children of widows in this country.

Many either do not care, were not involved in their own personal lives, or were not paying attention at the time and still don't care how highly destructive Reagan's Admistration was to us ALL. Yes, to us all.

As to one example, are the mentally ill getting the help they need? Aren't we ALL paying for it in one way or another? Aren't there innocent people being killed everyday by the mentally deranged?

Who was actually running the country? Nancy, through her psychic leader/reader?

Anonymous said...

Evil child killer I hope it's now in agony in HELL!! Deepest sympahies to the USA from Liverpool England rip little ones xxx

Anonymous said...

OMG, have you ever tried to institutionalize someone? It's not the psychologists, it's insurance, hospitals, etc. Out patient therapy, not enough. You are so off the mark here. This is a political issue and I hooe it gets attention above gun control on this one.

Anonymous said...

It's not available. People have no idea how restricted access to mental health care has become. Even as wealthy as she was she could not have had him institutionalized beyond 72 hours, her only recourse was the Baker act and who knows what he said to her. We need mental health reform! I have stellar medical insurance by most standards. But I can go to a community therapist for 20 sessions at an affordable price, a health center that also serves low to no income, etc., which is to say they take all comers. What that means is that wait list problems are huge. Only one center was covered by my plan. The counselor had a personality disorder and would yell when I asked questions. I had PTSD but was and am highly functional, loved being yelled at. The next one at that clinic told me some therapists date/have sex with their clients. I was forced to go out of network. I must pay $300 first and then ten sessions are half off. Psychiatric appointments are 15 minutes each, that's right, 15, and are upwards of $150-$200. I am lucky enough to not need medication. Primary care doctors are picking up the slack for those issues. But you cannot inter someone in an institution unless they go willingly or are orderedby the courts. A mentally ill family member just died on the streets. She felt she was sane and everyone else was crazy. She was a threat to herself and others, but she wasn't without hope. But the law tookall hope away. This is neither a left or right issue. Mentall illness affects everyone, directly or tangentially. Anxiety disorders are on the rise. Check your mental health coverage. I assure you it sucks.