Monday, February 11, 2013

Mark Redwine: Lake And Dam by Kaaryn Gough

Redwine's face when asked about Walmart


Here is more analysis on the statements of Mark Redwine by Statement Analyst and Private Investigator, Kaaryn Gough. Please note carefully the question raised by Kaaryn  at the conclusion. 

We do not place statements under a microscope in order to discern deception. If we need a microscope, we are not likely looking at deception. 

In Mark Redwine's statements, there are indicators of deception.  This is only a small segment from his interview that is focused upon now.  The entire interview and analysis should be viewed when forming a conclusion.  

I would imagine the police are looking closely at Mark. The problem is that 2 1/2 months have passed and the evidence will have deteriorated or the body will have decomposed. I think the answer to what happened and where Dylan's remains are are inside the interviews. He has shown to have lots of leakage in his language. 

Take for example:

R:        So then you get home at what time…like 8:30?

MR:    "We left McDonalds probably around 7:30-ish and
 it’s about a 45-minutes drive from Durango to get up
 here. So we would have been here probably around
 8:15,  8:30-ish, somewhere in there."


R:       So then, so he’s texting back and forth with his
 friends like, “hey, I’m not gonna…”

MR:     "You know, there’s not a lot of cell phone service between Durango and the lake up here. And it’s not until you come up past the dam that you actually can get your cell phone service as a Verizon customer. "

a) You know--wants us to believe
b) "there's not a lot of cell phone service..." Sentence in the negative=sensitive.
c) "...between Durango and the lake up here..."--not "between Durango and here". He specifically identifies the lake as the end point for "not a lot of cell phone service" And then goes on to include where you can get cell phone service, most specifically, Verizon cell phone service, up past the dam. The two references to water--lake and dam--are interesting especially when Mark continues to talk about sporadic cell phone service at his own place. Why does the lake and dam appear in his story?


R: ...what do you want to say to whoever has Dylan?

M: Let him go. Drop him off at the closest police station. Take him to a Wal-Mart and dump him off and let him be, let him go. For the love of God, if you have any compassion in your heart, you will do the right thing and let him come home to his family.

1) Let him go...
 the father is still dealing with the emotional aspects of the event. In essence, he's telling himself to "let go" of the memory of Dylan.

2) Take him to Wal-Mart and dump him off"...

3) "and let him go"
 Letting his son's body sink down into the water

Out of the whole interview, this part has haunted me the most. 

51 comments:

Sus said...

Oh thank you, Kaaryn! Mark mentioned the lake in reference to the following day, also. I will try to find the quote, but it was something about when he couldn't get Dylan on the phone, he drove home by the lake (before reporting him missing) and didn't see anything. Huh? Who thinks to do that? What was he really checking to see?

Hobnob said...

It matces with the reactions of the cadaver dogs to the lake and dam.

The lake is where we will find Dylan and our answers.

Kaaryn Gough said...

More leaks...

Two others picked up on the word "dump" in earlier posts. When you look at it in conjunction with the other words in the sentence, it creates a very clear scenario of what may have happened.


R: ...what do you want to say to whoever has Dylan?

M: Let him go. Drop him off at the closest police station. Take him to a Wal-Mart and dump him off and let him be, let him go. For the love of God, if you have any compassion in your heart, you will do the right thing and let him come home to his family.

1) Let him go...
the father is still dealing with the emotional aspects of the event. In essence, he's telling himself to "let go" of the memory of Dylan.

2) Take him to Wal-Mart and dump him off"...

3) "and let him go"
Letting his son's body sink down into the water

Out of the whole interview, this part has haunted me the most.

Lemon said...

Thank you so much for your contributions Kaaryn.

Hobnob said...

I spent 45mins an hour trying to get Dylan to wake up.. helping him, saying you know Dylan, I am going down, cos he had talked to me about seeing his friend Ryan that morning ....

I got to thinking after something agitated my brain cell (i blame pineapple chunks)

No one spends 45 mins to an hour trying to wake their child up. The keyword here is WAKE

Think about it for a moment, it took me a few for it to click.
A child or anyone will wake up if you call them, prod them or pull the bedclothes back, it is how alarms work.

Now.

Where do we hear of someone not being able to wake another up?

All too often it is in relation to dead people, they wouldn't or couldn't wake up or i thought they would wake up at any moment.

Linking this to the pacing I wonder if the time spen trying to wake him up was him trying to undo what had been done, giving him CPR etc.

The other possible scenario with those words is, was he prepping Dylan for disposal, the helping him being getting him wrapped or moved to the truck since Dylan could not himself.
In these words Dylan is passive.

I also noted the embedded I am going down a phrase often her by te perpetrator of the crime, ie i am going down for this.

It looks as if at this point Dylan is long dead and the dad is telling us his actions and words spoken as he got Dylan ready for disposal, he knows he will be found out and this is his confesion to Dylan.

Kaaryn Gough said...

More on the time around Wal-Mart and McDonalds. I think we all agree, this is a crucial time in the story.

If you watch the interview very carefully and freeze it just at the point the reporter finishes asking the question of "Why did you go to Wal-Mart" you will see an interesting and very telling expression on the father's face. It's very brief, but it's there. It's not the typical "anger" face in Paul Ekman's work on micro-expressions, however, there's no mistaking there is a change in the father's emotions to what looks like anger. Whether he was reacting to the fact the question being asked or whether by this point of his story he was experiencing anger towards Dylan, it is hard to know. But it should be noted.


Well, I had just come in from doing a job in Silver City, New Mexico, so I didn’t have a whole lot of things for us to eat. would have been sufficient to explain why they stopped at Wal-Mart. However, look at the long explanation he gives. More information than was needed. Why?

Sensitive Point? Danger Zone?


And, you know…it wasn’t a whole lot of things that we needed.

"things" not "food". Twice he refers to "things" in this section. Not once does he say "food". Was there another objective for stopping at Wal-Mart?

We went to McDonalds. I wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant. Sit down and talk to him. He wanted to go to McDonalds. He always wants to go to McDonalds. What 13 year old kid doesn’t want to go to McDonalds? You know, wasn’t my first choice. We didn’t even eat it in McDonalds. We got it in the truck and went to the drive-thru and we’re eating it on our way home

The father stated he wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant but Dylan wanted to go to McDonalds. So why didn't they sit down and eat at McDonalds? Why would they instead use the drive-thru? The father does not offer any explanation as to why that option was not taken when it would have satisfied both of their wishes. Why use the drive-thru?

Perhaps he didn't want anyone to see Dylan at this point.

Lemon said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w&feature=youtu.be

around @10:47

ME said...

I think he went to the drive thru with dylon and bought 2 meals but he was already dead and sitting next to him asif asleep,rip

Anonymous said...

We got it in the truck and went to the drive-thru and we’re eating it on our way home -Did he really use the present tense - "...we’re eating it on our way home."

they WENT to the drive thru

but

They ARE EATING it on their way home.

Is this last half of the sentence a fabrication?

Also, don't you go THROUGH a drive-thru? Not TO one?

Does McDoanld's have camera's in the drive thru?

S + K Mum said...

R: So then, so he’s texting back and forth with his
friends like, “hey, I’m not gonna…”

Not gonna what? Be able to make it tomorrow? Make it tonight? He doesn't finish.

If he had said 'tomorrow' then he couldn't then say he was trying to wake him in the morning as he was supposed to be meeting with his friends - is that why he didn't finish the sentence?

How does he know what Dylan was texting?

S + K Mum said...

'sit down and talk to him' - why not sit with him and talk, like have a chat, a catch up. He makes it sound like Dylan was in trouble or he was annoyed about something he wanted to talk to him about.

Anonymous said...

OT:

Sheriff's department and DHS go at it about a protection of a child. Officer arrested a DHS worker for child abuse and then the officer wrote a "report" about it that was sent to reporters.
(I can't find the "report" anywhere.)

The officer is in trouble. I stand with him in this event. The girl he was protecting could have ended up like so many other children that are spoken of here.

http://www.lineofduty.com/the-blotter/116296-whoa-did-ne-deputy-do-the-right-thing-have-you-ever-wanted-to-do-this

http://m.journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/deputy-cites-social-worker-blasts-system/article_71c5136d-6cf3-5537-9ad5-657ad04c579c.html?mobile_touch=true

Kaaryn Gough said...

Please note, "R" is the reporter asking the questions.

R: So then, so he’s texting back and forth with his
friends like, “hey, I’m not gonna…”


This demonstrates the reporter likely had outside knowledge from the interview either through a discussion with the father before the interview began or from other sources before conducting the interview. This is a good example of how an interviewer can infect an interview with information and words if they're not careful.

In SA, we need to be very careful we are analyzing the subject's words and not the words of others.

Anonymous said...

"We would have been here probably..."
OK. Stop. He's lying.
Mark seems to use "would" a lot when he is fictionalizing.
It seems to me he is saying "we WOULD have been here probably..." but that they WERE NOT "here".

Anonymous said...

Scary that he uses the words "dump him off". NOT drop him off, but "dump him off".

I believe Mark Redwine possesses a narcissistic personality and may have blocked his crime against Dylan out of his consciousness.
It is just a feeling I get but he does display indicators of narcissism.

Anonymous said...

Also, if I read the texts right in the other blog post about the case, why was Dylan trying so hard to get away from his father? Does the text say that Dylan wants to go see his friend at 6:30 in the morning? That seems extremely early for a teenager to go see their friend since normally they don't like to get up extremely early. Seems he was desperate to get away from his father.
I hope Dylan ran away from the father and is a runaway rather than what it seems that the father did something terrible to him.
Is there any possibility that Dylan and his father began arguing early on in the car about Dylan wanting to go see his friends and the father, in anger, dropped him off in the middle of nowhere--kicked him out of the car as a power move and someone else picked up Dylan and harmed him?
Just trying to cover all the angles.
Mark Redwine is hiding something.
Also, one thing that I find alarming is that the father seems to be VERY possessive of Dylan--you can see when he mentions bowling that he says a friend would be allowed to come--not just Mark and Dylan. Well, I think it seems the Dad was not only possessive but also trying to isolate Dylan from his friends. You can see he did not want a friend to come bowling with them. This behavior is very alarming. I am thinking there was abuse perpetrated against Dylan by the father previous to whatever happened with the disappearance.

Anonymous said...

I'm looking again at the phrase "dump him off": Maybe Mark Redwine kicked Dylan out of the car in the middle of nowhere? This is a move fairly commonly used by abusers.

sidewalk super said...


Lemon,
What was that you tube reference?
I bring up "account terminated"

Lemon said...

sidewalk super-

KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview 39:04
by Melissa Blasius

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w

Sus said...

The texts I put on the other post were printed in the Durango Herald on 12/15/12. They were released by Dylan's friend, Ryan.

My autocorrect kept messing up some spelling, but Dylan misspells tomorrow the same way earlier and at 8:01. He also goes into detail asking Ryan about being there at 6:30 the next morning. This makes me think it is Dylan texting at 8:01.

I believe Dylan told Mark he was going to his friend's in the morning..."DISCUSSION WITH ME". Mark wanted him to wait till he got back from his errands..."HE KNEW I WOULD GET HIM DOWN THERE WHEN I GOT BACK". There was tension building and Mark laughed at Dylan's plan...a fight erupted. Mark Redwine has already shown that he will swing his fist at his son. He did in the past. I get a sick feeling everytime I hear Mark Redwine say Dylan didn't get up. It sounds like it was from a punch.

Ryan sent a text to Dylan at 9:27 and doesn't say he got a response. Yet Mark says they were watching a movie then. Dylan answered every other text from Ryan, and seemed desperate to get there the next morning..."you better let me in." "...ill call all day"

Skippy said...

His body language and verbal language is full of darkness, even if you don't study s/a. He says 'Mc Donald's' way more than he needs to. "Dump him off." Also, why the need to say that he wants to go to a sit down restaurant, but Dylan wants to go to Mc D's? That was important to him. He could have talked to his son at home or in the truck.

It's like he's saying, "I wanted to do things this way, but he wouldn't LET me, so he made me do things in a way I'd rather not have done things."

In other words, Dylan being missing was not his original plan, it's not what he WANTED, but Dylan drove him to it. Drive, Dump, Mc Donald's as possibly the physical manifestation of the act the father was forced to perform...


Again, I love to read here but I don't "do" s/a as well as you all do.

Anonymous said...

He said"I'd love him to do a re appearence"???

Pam said...

MR doesn't get teary or even emotional about Dylan except when he is talking about visiting baseball stadiums and Nascar racetracks. MR seems to be a narcissist, using Dylan as a prop to go to all these sports arenas under the guise that Dylan wants to visit them. At the end of the 39 minute interview, MR even states that Dylan didn't like Nascar, that Cody was the Nascar fan.

MR is consumed with rage at his ex wife. He even ferreted out where she works and let the interviewer know that (even going so far to state where she works in the interview). You can see and hear the interviewer's discomfort whenever MR goes off on his tangents about Dylan's mother.

The only true emotions that I pick up are rage against the ex and sadness that MR won't be going to the baseball stadiums and Nascar tracks. Nowhere did I see/feel any emotion about Dylan.

The saddest part of all of this to me is that the court ordered Dylan to visit his bio-father. At 13 we [as a society] try teens this age as adults in murder cases, but a teen can't tell the court "No, I don't want to go" and be respected and allowed to NOT go? Judges need to be aware that in some cases, rage against the ex wife can be turned against the children. I believe this is the case with Mark Redwine.

foolsfeedonfolly said...

It's interesting in the the first exchange here, Mark says "...we probably would have gotten here...". That shouldn't be construed as "We got here/home probably around/about...". If your child rarely came for a visitation (much less a court-forced one), I think you'd have a fairly good idea what time you'd both gotten home from picking him up.

From this and the other Mark Redwine articles on the site, we know from Mark's language that Dylan didn't want to be there (Mark's many references to Dylan's texting and Dylan's friends). Contrary to Mark's statements, Dylan and he did not get along well, as evidenced by Dylan's texting. As Dylan couldn't avoid the court-ordered visitation and had no means of physical escape, he chose to mentally and emotionally check-out via texting...the obvious message being "I'd rather be with my friends. I don't want to be with you."

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Mark repeatedly referencing Dylan's friends, plus the texting, give us an accurate view of the situation. Mark legally pressed for the visitation as a weapon against both Dylan and his ex-wife. He knew Dylan didn't come willingly. Mark also made a point of telling us what he didn't do; pump Dylan for information about Elaine. Anything told to us in the negative is sensitive. Why would that be on his mind, if he hadn't pumped Dylan for info before? An abusive parent with anger issues, displaying stalking behavior toward his ex, and pressuring his son for info? Why would Dylan want to visit? You can bet Dylan was angry at being forced to go, forced to be with his dad. You can also bet he was guarded and distant, given the family history.

IF I had to guess, I think the Walmart stop was an attempt to buddy up to Dylan (maybe buy some of his fave snacks, etc. as a bonding/make Dad look good kind of thing)and Dylan wasn't having it. From there, Mark leads right into a major disagreement over where to eat. We know it was major because it was important enough for him to comment extensively on it (why he wanted the sit down restaurant). Dylan apparently established early on that he was there to spend time with his friends (Mark's repeated references to Dylan's friends). Clearly Dylan had a different agenda than Mark...spend as little time as possible with Mark before boarding the plane to head home.

~ABC said...

If it weren't for having to take the time to dispose of Dylan's dead body, "we probably would have gotten here..."

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

From Mark's words, we know that Dylan was with him less than an hour before there was major conflict. Both LE and reporters should have asked why they didn't go into the McDonald's to eat. Did Mark hit Dylan somewhere between Walmart and McDonald's because Dylan wasn't going along with Mark's plans? Or was the argument so vicious that there was no way one or both of them could "act normal" in the restaurant to hide the fact that they weren't getting along?

It sounds like Mark was well aware that Dylan was unwilling to come, was maybe trying to "win him over" with buddy-buddy stuff (maybe to spite Elaine as in "See, he had a great time with me."), and getting shot down by Dylan. We know the Mcdonalds argument was big because Mark didn't just leave it at "We went through the Mcdonalds drive-thru for dinner and ate on the way home.". IMO, Dylan made it perfectly clear in that first hour that he did want to be there with his dad. He was in survival mode; just get this visit over with and get back home. The fact that Dylan seemed to have his time already planned out with friends, would have been quite an insult to Mark (who may have been trying to win The I'm The Best Parent contest).

It's interesting that Mark references the Walmart as the starting point for this visit and later "instructs" whoever has Dylan to "dump him off" at Walmart. LE and reporters should have asked questions about Mark and Dylan's interaction in Walmart: what did they talk about; did they look at anything; did they buy anything; did Dylan look at anything;etc. Hopefully, LE interviewed Walmart employees who may have seen them or waited on them. LE hopefully requested that any Walmart customers in the store at that time who may have seen Mark and/or Dylan could have asked to call LE and been interviewed. Maybe shoppers in the store or parking lot noticed a sullen/disconnected teen, an angry looking dad, or witnessed/overheard a disagreement/argument, etc. We see all of the above regularly in numerous stores. Mark's choice of words leads me to believe things began going badly at/in Walmart.

Mark, being abusive, used legal power to bully Elaine and Dylan, forcing Dylan to come. It wasn't that he and Dylan had such a great relationship, rather it appears it was about winning against Elaine. Given the family's history, Dylan would naturally be oppositional, at best (if not outright confrontational- perfectly understandable). While Mark could make Dylan physically come, he couldn't make Dylan submit/cooperate, like him, want to be with him, or have fun like Mark needed in order to "win" and spite Elaine. Just my own opinions

~ABC said...

MR gives a reason for nearly everything he says.

~ABC said...

at 20:51 of the video. MR says, "So somebody can bang him in the head" :(

~ABC said...

MR said,
"He and I get along when we're together, contrary to what other people might think, and I can only contribute that to HIM being a peacekeeper."

So by his father's own admission, the ONLY reason they get along is because Dylan is the peacekeeper. That poor little boy.....

domino said...

I think that while in the truck somewhere along the WalMart/McDonalds continuum, the father hit Dylan (banged his head) (got into it) hard enough to knock him out and/or give Dylan a concussion. Dylan might have died immediately or soonish or even in his sleep that night. Whenever it occurred, I believe MR when he says he spent 45 minutes trying to "wake" Dylan but cldn't. Dylan was already dead. Sleep is sometimes used as a euphemism for dying/death.

Jen said...

Durango Airport: 5:46 pm
Texts to Dylan Redwine's phone:
Ryan: 6:43 pm : I'm in pagosa coming
Dylan: can't come srry ill hang tommarow
Ryan: ok

7:05 pm: Walmart
Ryan: 7:09 pm: why
Dylan: idk

7:22pm: McDonald's drive-thru
Ryan : 7:45pm: did your dad say no

Dylan: 8:01pm: yea
Ryan : oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early like 6:30 early tomarrow
Ryan : yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
Ryan: I will
Ryan : I will be at my gmas
Dylan : I will call all day if you don't
Ryan: ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
Ryan: just come around to where the sliding door is were that room is and knocking it and I will wake up

Ryan at 9:27 pm
Ryan: call me when you get here too.

Ok...this is starting to come into focus. If these text messages released by Dylan's friend Ryan are accurate, then clearly Dylan planned to have his dad take him straight from the airport to his friend Ryan's to hang out or possibly spend the night. No doubt this angered Dad, he wants to go to a sit down restaurant and talk to Dylan (probably regarding the court filings he had scheduled an appt to discuss with his attorney the next morning). At 8:01 Dylan responds to the question "did your dad say no" with "yea", and ALL of Dylan's texts indicate annoyance and frustration with being there with his dad...even asking to visit his friend extremely early the next morning.

If you click on the picture from Walmart you can tell Dylan is angry or maybe even has been crying. I would love to know what court documents Mark Redwine was planning to file the next day...maybe some emergency custody injuction to make the most drama possible out of his forced visit. It's interesting that he claims not to have pumped Dylan for details about his life with Mom, but brings up this 'sit down' conversation, and Dylans role as a peacemaker (maybe Dylan shattered his Dad's plans of regaining custody by immediately making it clear he didn't want to be there, was planning on spending the week with friends and didn't want his dad to upset the established custody arrangement).

Anonymous said...

"I wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant. Sit down and talk to him."
It is clear from his words, he is upset with his ex wife over the divorce.
The above quotes indicate, he probably wanted to talk to his son about something in connection with the divorce. Either getting him to move in with him, or to help with an agenda against the mother.
It feels as if Dylan was not doing any of the things described after the Mc Donalds quote.

Shayna said...

That's exactly what I thought when I read that statement. I know this area. There are hundreds of little dirt roads around the Vallecito Lake/Durango area. My in- laws have land there that's rarely visited, just empty property for a maybe someday cabin. No one from the family has been there in years. There's also a lot of hunters who have property like this that is visited once a year, nearby there are empty summer cabins surrounded by acres of forest. Not hiking trails, but thick forest with dense underbrush. Lots of small ponds and rivers too. I'm afraid Dylan will be bones by the time a hunter, hiker or camper stumbles upon him.

Jazzie said...

Why is the lake and dam mentioned in the story?

Dylan's dad lives just north of Vallecito Reservoir. In order to go into Bayfield you have to go by the reservoir. I think Dylan (13 yrs old @time he went missing) didn't wait around for his dad to drive him into Bayfield to see his friends. He took off and hitched.

"The boys said Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides. “Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,” he said. Wesley agreed."

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121124/NEWS01/121129756/0/News01/Mystery-lingers-over-missing-teen

The dam is in reference to cell service being dropped/lost. I live in the country and I keep track/know where my cell phone service is not good.

Remember the Jessica Ridgeway case? The mom and all the red flags when she spoke and crocodile tears? The great aunt speaking disparagingly of Jessica at memorial service? They didn't kill Jessica. Austin Sigg did.

Peter Hyatt said...

Jen said...
Durango Airport: 5:46 pm
Texts to Dylan Redwine's phone:
Ryan: 6:43 pm : I'm in pagosa coming
Dylan: can't come srry ill hang tommarow
Ryan: ok

7:05 pm: Walmart
Ryan: 7:09 pm: why
Dylan: idk

7:22pm: McDonald's drive-thru
Ryan : 7:45pm: did your dad say no

Dylan: 8:01pm: yea
Ryan : oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early like 6:30 early tomarrow
Ryan : yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
Ryan: I will
Ryan : I will be at my gmas
Dylan : I will call all day if you don't
Ryan: ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
Ryan: just come around to where the sliding door is were that room is and knocking it and I will wake up

Ryan at 9:27 pm
Ryan: call me when you get here too.

Ok...this is starting to come into focus. If these text messages released by Dylan's friend Ryan are accurate, then clearly Dylan planned to have his dad take him straight from the airport to his friend Ryan's to hang out or possibly spend the night. No doubt this angered Dad, he wants to go to a sit down restaurant and talk to Dylan (probably regarding the court filings he had scheduled an appt to discuss with his attorney the next morning). At 8:01 Dylan responds to the question "did your dad say no" with "yea", and ALL of Dylan's texts indicate annoyance and frustration with being there with his dad...even asking to visit his friend extremely early the next morning.

If you click on the picture from Walmart you can tell Dylan is angry or maybe even has been crying. I would love to know what court documents Mark Redwine was planning to file the next day...maybe some emergency custody injuction to make the most drama possible out of his forced visit. It's interesting that he claims not to have pumped Dylan for details about his life with Mom, but brings up this 'sit down' conversation, and Dylans role as a peacemaker (maybe Dylan shattered his Dad's plans of regaining custody by immediately making it clear he didn't want to be there, was planning on spending the week with friends and didn't want his dad to upset the established custody arrangement).
February 12, 2013 at 2:30 AM

Anonymous said...

Good observation Peter--What were the papers he wanted to file with his lawyer the next day? Cause I agree that's gotta be tied into it.
Also, did anyone else notice on the video Mark stalls for time to think of a lie--even going on about the difficulty he has watching a full movie bc of his short attention span--he stalls for time bc he CANNOT remember what movie him and Dylan watched together. He starts bullshitting w the reporter until his mind "thinks" of a movie title. They did not watch movie together.

S + K Mum said...

Dylan never replied to his friends last text at 9.27?
If Dylan wanted to meet at his friend at 6.30am, it seems to me like he couldn't wait to get away from his dad.
Could he have been planning to get up and go before his dad was even awake and aware he was away?
His dad could easily have read the texts whilst Dylan was asleep and got angry or read the texts anytime really.
Sorry if I have missed anything but have any the neighbours stated as to whether or not they saw Dylan arriving home with his dad that evening,and if so, was he walking, getting helped etc?
(Karen thanks for clarifying earlier - silly me - getting confused!)

Deejay said...

Redwine is planning to say that Dylan walked toward the lake to get cell service when his body surfaces in the spring.
I wonder if the texts from the friend Ryan were received by Dylan's cell?

Redwine made early references to a fishing pole being gone- excuse me, What kid goes fishing in the winter from a dock, alone?? I've been to Vallecitos Lake - I'm sure it is deserted in the winter. There are some big fish with teeth there- Pike, some about 3 feet long.

I believe they fought in the car about the friends, maybe left McDs with out a meal. Dylan died about the time of the 'pacing' in Redwine's story. He referenced doing stuff in the kitchen- Making a weight out of, say , an old anchor?? He dumped Dylan during the night.

Redwine left about 6:30 to see his attourney- It is at least a half hour trip -to be there by 7:30. He texted his son's phone as an alibi.

I don't recall hearing whether the phone was on or off and where it pinged.
Hope Redwine is procecuted.

Deejay said...

If I remember correctly, you can drive across the dam in your car. It is an old concrete steep sided dam made by Corps of Engineers.

Also it is pretty far between all these places, so you can't really plan on walking to your friend's house.
To quote the dad:
Whoever has hin needs a conscience, Pls dump him off, Chilling.

Jo said...

~ABC said...
If it weren't for having to take the time to dispose of Dylan's dead body, "we probably would have gotten here..."

This is exactly what I was thinking. He is thinking about what time they would have gotten there is they went straight there as he is saying they did. He does not say "we probably got there" but we "would have gotten there".

He said Dylan brought the DVD player down from his bedroom. Wonder if LE checked if Dylan's finger prints were on the DVD player. I am starting to think he may never have gotten to MR's house.

His comment about not finding his backpack immediately could be because he disposed of the body only to find Dylan's backpack later and realizing he needed to get rig of it also.

Does anyone think trip to WalMart was only to get Dylan on video for alibi?

Anonymous said...

1. Why didn't Mark and Dylan go to McDonalds to have a sit-down dinner? Mark wanted to sit down, Dylan wanted to go to McDonalds. So the logical thing would be to go sit at a table at McDonalds. Mark offers no clear explanation why they didn't do that.
2. How could Mark know about the cell-phone reception in his room if Dylan didn't go to that room? And the last time Dylan was there, was quite a while ago.
3. Why didn't Dylan answer the text message from his friend Ryan the night before his disappearance? He was still up, according to Mark.
4. How could Mark have known what was and was not in Dylan's backpack?
5. Why is there no mention of dad - realising his son was missing - looking for what his son could have been doing that morning while he was away on errands. Teenagers are not known for cleaning up after themselves. Like: did he take a shower, was there a dirty towel, did he make a sandwich or a glass of milk, are there any dirty plates or glasses? This would be information that would tell something about the timeframe in which he went missing.
6. Why is dad not showing or telling about any emotion of initial anger towards his son; a natural emotion for a parent whose irresponsible teenager does not answer his phone and leaves the house without any indication where he is going.

I found one of the most disconcerting quotes: "I would trade places with him in a heartbeat, if I thought that would bring him hime safely"

Clearly dad does not think Dylan can be brought home safely.

~ABC said...

I had an internal reaction when MR said they had no "concrete" plans for thanksgiving... Then Deejay mentions "It is an old concrete steep sided dam made by Corps of Engineers."

Maybe I'm missing something major on this point of SA, but it seems to me that the language one chooses may often include things that were seen or used during the commission of a suspected crime?

Anonymous said...

I think the interview with Mark Redwine is a goldmine for statement analysis and lie detection in general. I hope the police is following this blog. I assume there are some follow up questions for Mark Redwine. Or maybe there could be another television interview, to keep the focus on finding Dylan.

sha said...

Dad mentioned the lake and the possibility that Dylan had gone off to fish when he disappeared. Dad mentions the damn lake way too much, I think that's where Dylan is, too. Dylan wanted to see his friends, dad didn't mention Dylan wanting to go fishing, or go fishing with friends, until the part of the story where Dylan couldn't be found.

Has anyone, ever, in any other case of a missing child, heard a parent use the words 'DUMP HIM OFF' in relation to their kid? Dad obviously does not have a good lawyer, he's talking way too much.

Vicki said...

Wow! 5 times quick succession he mentions Mcdonalds...something real sensitive happened then.

Hobnob said...

I would love to have him on the show, i would ask him "who started the argument and what was it about?"

Lemon said...

I would ask him "What happened?" and "What happened next?" :)

Periwinkle Paisley said...

ABC that is a really good point about Walmart. Walmart's security is about as good as a Las Vegas casino. Not only that but they have an extensive database of who shops at their store and everything they have ever bought. (Scary, right?) The only database larger than Walmart's is the Pentagon. If Mark Redwine even was at Walmart that should be able to be verified. If he was in the parking lot and didn't go in at all, they could still verify it through surveillance tapes. If he bought things like candy and treats that Dylan liked, well, there is a lot of insight to be had from what people buy and when (a fact that is not lost on Walmart hence their huge database.) Even if he paid cash they'd be able to tell from surveillance what transaction was his. I hope the police are following the clues Walmart could give them. Poor Dylan.

Anonymous said...

Hello Kaaryn: Have you thought about doing SA's on other news footage of Mark Redwine explaining things?

The other interviews show the differing accounts of Monday morning and trying to wake Dylan. I'd like your thoughts on Mark saying Dylan said "I understand."

In this uncut youtube interview, Mark talks about the baseball stadium vacation and how those memories "can never be taken away." I'd love your thoughts about the vacay language.

Thank you for your insight.

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