Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Hailey Dunn: Focus in Scurry County

Continues to spin 



Q.  Is the FBI sharing information with attorney John Young?

A.  No


Q.  Is the FBI sharing information with Billie Jean Dunn?

A.  No



       Q.  Do the remains found in Scurry County belong to Hailey Dunn?

       A.  It is not known yet. 

       Q.  Where did Shawn Adkins tell police to search for Hailey?


"What does get frustrating to me is, people who just say that they have inside knowledge when information they're putting out is completely wrong. It's aggravating when people just blatantly lie saying, they have inside knowledge or they have contacts. I know the FBI isn't talking to anybody outside of law enforcement besides me," Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, said. 

Note the emphasis upon self.
Note the cause of frustration is not the death of her child, but those claim to have information while she is not given any information from the FBI.  
Note that "blatantly lying" is aggravating.  Subtle lying is not mentioned, nor is simply "lying" aggravating.  
"I know" weakens the assertion.  
According to Dunn, a DNA test will not be done on the remains. Instead she said authorities will be comparing dental records for a faster result.

"They'll go ahead and let me know whether the dental records, hopefully, rule her out or God forbid, a match," Dunn said.


Note "they'll go ahead" is a statement in future tense.  She does not say "they said" or "they told me" because she cannot bring herself to say so.  They did not tell her anything, nor have they.  It is not protocol for law enforcement to share information with suspects unless it advances their case.  The focus of the statement is not Hailey; but Dunn, herself. Simply posting things like "my FBI guy", intended to persuade, will not change charges filed in the death of Hailey Dunn.   

Billie Jean Dunn’s attorney, John Young, was arrested after taking the case of Billie Jean Dunn, pro bono, for pointing a gun at a Texas Ranger, reportedly under the influence of cocaine.  Some reports state he was having an affair, (or attempting to) with the Ranger's wife.  He was able to retain his license to practice law.  It was not his first run-in with the law.  

He said he is in contact with the FBI and Texas Rangers and “when they have information that they can release, and then I’m sure they’ll be in touch with me later.”

We look for the pronoun "we" to show cooperation or two way communication.  It is missing from his statement.  When it says "he is in contact with the FBI", it is likely that he placed a call and did not receive a response. 
"and I'm sure" weakens the assertion. 
This is a strong indication that he is given no information.  Note when the word "we" comes into his language, it is about Billie Dunn:  
We have been through this at least twice before,” Young said. “And I have advised and encouraged Billie not to or at least try not to get into the emotional roller coaster again. This is a tragic and difficult event to keep dragging this mother through.”


As lawyer, he has "advised" and he has "encouraged" "Billie" (not Ms. Dunn). "This" mother indicates closeness. 

After Hailey went missing, Billie Dunn appeared on the Nancy Grace Show.  Here are the first two questions posed to her in which her answers reveal an abundance of information:


GRACE: A 13-year-old cheerleader leaves in broad daylight from her own home to walk down the street to a little friend`s sleepover. Reminds me a lot of the Carlie Brucia case out of Florida. She`s never seen again. 


MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO: She was last seen a week ago, Nancy. It`s been a week since anybody has seen this beautiful little 13-year-old girl. About 3:00 last Monday, it`s the last time anybody ever saw her alive. 


Note that in the story, a time must be identified and they chose "3:00" 
Please note that when someone is going to fabricate a time, or choose a number, it is often the number "3". 


GRACE:  Miss Dunn, how far did she have to go to get to the little sleepover? 


Simple Question:  How far did she have to go?  

DUNN: Four to five blocks. It wasn`t rare for Hailey to walk a short distance during daylight. She wasn`t allowed out after dark especially to walk, but she only had four to five blocks to go. 


Heather and I watched this live on January 3rd.  She asked me if I heard what the mother just said.  I had, but it was not what I wanted to hear.  "Not another!"  

Not once, but twice the mother of a missing child, in her first answer, referenced the child in the past tense. 

When the parent of a missing child references the child in the past tense, it is an indication that the parent knows or believes her child is dead.  Susan Smith, Casey Anthony, Haleigh Cummings' step mother, Baby Lisa's mother, Baby Ayla's father...and on the list goes. 

As of January 3, 2011, had police said anything to the mother to make her believe her child is dead?  This goes against the natural denial aspect of a mother's protective instincts.  Even after a child is found dead, an innocent mother will still reference the child in the present tense as it goes against her own instinct to accept that her child is dead. 

Billie Jean Dunn has given two linguistic indicators that Hailey is dead.  What she says next must be understood in this light. 

GRACE: Tell me what happened the day she went missing, Miss Dunn. 


"What happened?" is the best question to ask. It is the perfect question that allows the subject to:

1.  Begin the account wherever she chooses.  The first sentence is always important.  She could choose to start it anywhere, but where she chooses is critical and shows priority.  
2.  She will choose when to end the account. 
3.  Her words are her own.  Nervousness is expected, which is why courts find the nervous 911 call so reliable and label them "excited utterance"; that is, to the courts, their words are, to the court, the most reliable, since the person is upset.  
4.  Free Editing Process makes Statement Analysis reliable.  We do not interpret, we listen.  

DUNN: She went missing on Monday while I was at work. My boyfriend - - he came home from work about 3:00 -- or he got to my house about 3:00. And he`s seen Hailey. Hailey was there. She told him, I`m running across the street to my dad`s house for a few minutes but I`m going Mary Beth`s, and I`m staying the night there. Let my mom know. 

So that evening when he picked me up from work, we got home, we were getting ready for bed. I didn`t get worried when I hadn`t heard from Hailey. I thought she was at Mary Beth`s. I was kind of upset that she didn`t call and confirm it with me, but not worried at that point. 

Tuesday, I was at work again, I left my cell phone at home for my kids to use when I`m working. So Tuesday, I called my son. I said tell Hailey text the little girl, her friend, tell Hailey she needs to go ahead and get home. This was around lunch. My son called me back within a few minutes and she said, mom, she said Hailey never made it over there. She never spent the night. 

So at that point I called Hailey`s dad and found out she didn`t over there and she didn`t stay the night with him. I left from work and went to the police station in Colorado City and reported her missing. 


This is important enough to view by itself:

DUNN:  She went missing on Monday while I was at work. 


She chooses to begin her account by establishing an alibi.

Dunn was not asked "when did she go missing?" which means the question, "What happened to Hailey" is "sensitive" to the subject.  

To an innocent parent, the question is not "sensitive" within itself.  The entire topic is very emotional, but "sensitive" is a word used in analysis.  When the father of Hailey Dunn was asked the same question, his answer showed no sensitivity indicators, though he was upset out of his mind.   

To now be introduced to this case, the reader/analyst is immediately confronted with a mother who has indicated her child is dead, and is establishing an alibi for herself.  

On January 3, 2011, the mother of Hailey Dunn indicated:

1.  Hailey is dead
2.  Mother needs an alibi


My boyfriend - - he came home from work about 3:00

1.  ISI

Note first that she introduced Shawn Adkins without his name.  This is an improper social introduction and it is indicative of a troubled relationship.  That she takes ownership with the possessive pronoun, "my" shows that they are together, but in relation to the missing child, there is something less than good, as evidenced by the missing proper name.  

Note that she knows how to use present tense and past tense verbs and uses past tense here.  

2.  Note that she chooses the time "3:00".   We note this as the liar's number. 

 or he got to my house about 3:00


She allows for an "either/or" possibility reducing commitment to the story.  This allows for changes to be made later and shows the uncertainty of her account.  Why would the mother of a missing child, on high adrenaline alert, not have established, a week later, what happened and where her boyfriend was, or what time he got home?  This uncertainty is taken in context with the indication of death, and the need to establish an alibi.

Note it is "my house" which is expected.    


And he`s seen Hailey. Hailey was there. 


1.  A sentence that begins with "And" indicates the need for a connecting word = missing information.  It is a jump in an account. 

2.  Redundancy means sensitivity. 

"he's seen Hailey."  She establishes that Adins laid eyes on Hailey.  Extra words give us additional information.  This is critical. 

"Hailey was there."

If he "seen Hailey", wouldn't she have to be there to be seen?

The extra words indicate deception.  It is the need to emphasize that Hailey was there, (alive is the presupposition she hopes the listener will accept, even though she spoke of her as dead) which shows deception. 

Hailey was not likely alive to be seen at 3PM.  


She told him, I`m running across the street to my dad`s house for a few minutes but I`m going Mary Beth`s, and I`m staying the night there. Let my mom know.

Communicative language is important.  We note that "said" and "told" are different. 

"My boss said to take this to Main St." is one way of saying something but with more authority, "My boss told me to take this to Maine St." is another.  

Here, she uses the more authoritative "told" regarding a 13 year old child speaking to an adult. This is not the expected. 

As to the story of going to a friend's house, we later learned that Billie Dunn told Nancy Grace that she had "true crime" literature in her home, and it was the same material that Nancy Grace, herself, was associated with.  What is this reference?

It is reference to the case of Carlie Brucia who was abducted and killed.  The story line is the same. 

Billie Dunn referenced where the case came from and gave a similar story.  

So that evening when he picked me up from work, we got home

She then uses the very sensitive word "so" explaining her actions.  Why is this so sensitive?  It is so sensitive because she has the need to tell us why she did something.  

Note another needless statement:  "we got home."  

Look at the awkwardness of the entire statement.  What is the reason she has to explain that while driving home they got home? 

we were getting ready for bed. 

We listen to what someone tells us.  She only says "we" were getting ready for bed.  She does not say they went to bed, nor does she say they went to sleep.  

There is a reason to everything that is said.  Always note when people say that they were getting ready to do something as it does not mean they did something; only that they were getting ready to.  There is a need to give a sentence of beginning something but not doing it.  When people do something, they say so.  When they may not have done something, they will often say they began to do something.  Did they finish it?  If they did not say so, we cannot say so for them.

Next, when speaking from memory, a person can tell us what they did, and what they thought.  If they tell us what did not happen, what they did not see, what they did not think, we are on high alert for deception:   


didn`t get worried when I hadn`t heard from Hailey. 


We now have a dead child, a mother establishing an alibi, and now she tells us of what emotions she did not have.  

Deception indicated. 

I thought she was at Mary Beth`s. I was kind of upset that she didn`t call and confirm it with me, but not worried at that point. 

Since Hailey didn't say to Adkins that she was staying at Marybeth's, but "told" him, if the language was consistent, there should have been a report of a fight, or disagreement.  This inconsistency is noted.  She again reports what didn't happen:  Hailey "didn't call."

This is a truthful sentence and an example of how a sentence can be truthful while being overall deceptive. 
Tuesday, I was at work again


Here is another case of a seemingly unnecesary word becoming of vital importance.  Why the need to say she was at work, "again"?

1.  It could be that she rarely works, and was per diem, and found herself surprised to be called in.  This is something a substitute teacher might say. 

2.  She is continuing to work her alibi.  

Since we have, in context, her establishment of alibi, the analyst/reader should see this as the subject seeking to affirm her alibi.  Later, we learned that this was her regular job and not a per diem or temp. position. 

I left my cell phone at home for my kids to use when I`m working. 

She now tells us why she did something, making "what happened?" into "why something happened" meaning high sensitivity.  She is setting up a scenario and explaining why she did something. 

She is portraying herself as a caring mother.  
Question:  Who portrays themselves in positive terms?  
Answer:  those who have been negligent and have a need to persuade.   


So Tuesday, I called my son. I said tell Hailey text the little girl, her friend, tell Hailey she needs to go ahead and get home. 

1.  "So" explains why she did something, highly sensitive, rather than answering the basic "what happened?" question. 

2.  Note the communication of what she said to her son:

a.  Tell Hailey
b.  Text the little girl
c.  her friend
d.  tell Hailey

The sentence begins strongly, with "I" indicating that she should be able to say what she said, but she isn't.  Why the confusion?  Tell Hailey via what means?  The phone?  She already said she left her phone home for her kids.  Text?  The "little girl" which is then explained as "her friend", and then back to "tell Hailey."


This was around lunch. My son called me back within a few minutes and she said, mom, she said Hailey never made it over there. She never spent the night. 

She "said, mom, she said..." uses her title, "mom".  Note that economy of words from truthful statements are short: "he said..." yet she adds in "mom" as if story telling.

"never made it over there" is one thing but for the third time she gives us useless redundancy:  "she never spent the night".  It is useless since if she never made it there, she never spent the night. 
So at that point I called Hailey`s dad and found out she didn`t over there and she didn`t stay the night with him. I left from work and went to the police station in Colorado City and reported her missing.  



She returns to the explanation of why she did something.  In the SCAN tecnigue is colored as "blue", or the highest level of sensitivity.  A single indication of "blue" is sensitive, but where there is 2 or more, the analyst holds the paper up to the light and sees that in this area, between the "blues" is the most critical portion of the statement and where deception
is to be found. 

In just where Hailey Dunn's mother spoke for only a few moments this is what we learned about a missing 13 year old:

1.  She is dead
2.  The mother has a need for an alibi
3.  The mother is making up a story about what happened:  she is deceptive. 
4.  There is trouble with the boyfriend.  

All this in just one answer to one question.  

Without knowing anything about the police affidavit, investigation, or anything else, you already know that this is not a missing child case, but a homicide. 

You also know it is a domestic homicide. 


56 comments:

Anonymous said...

As expected Billie is all about Billie. How she can believe the FBI is only talking to law enforcement and her is beyond me. It won't be long and we will have a dental match, or not. So where is Shawn. Has he reacted?

Nanna Frances said...

Shawn said look in Scurry County and look at both of us. Where is he now?

john said...


BD uses the words "INSIDE KNOWLEDGE" twice within the first two sentences'is this sensitive to her?

Is she afraid that people do have information which she is not privvy to,and that will implicate her in the death of Hailey.

john said...

This is a fine example of S/A at its best,unfortunately though used in the tragic death of young Hailey.

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Anonymous said...

Is Ms. Dunn's illiteracy and inarticulateness taken into account when analyzing her statements?

john said...

OT,

Peter,could you have a look at this,to me this is a very strange statement.

Coronation St: Bill Roache Sorry Over Remarks
The soap star had seemingly claimed that abuse victims were being punished for their behaviour in a past life.12:38pm UK, Tuesday 19 March 2013

Video: Roache Backtracks On Abuse Victims
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The actor who plays Coronation Street's Ken Barlow has seemingly claimed victims of sexual abuse are being punished for their behaviour in "previous lives".
Video: Bill Roache speaking to New Zealand’s One News channel
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Coronation Street actor Bill Roache has said he was "very sorry for any offence caused" after he seemingly claimed victims of sexual abuse are being punished for their behaviour in "previous lives".

The star, who plays Ken Barlow in the long-running soap, made the original remarks in a television interview, during which he said famous men can be "caught in this trap" by young female fans who follow their movements.

Speaking to New Zealand's TVNZ, he said of the victims: "If you accept that you are pure love ... and therefore live that pure love, these things won't happen to you."

He was then pressed by reporter Garth Bray, who asked: "To some people that sounds perhaps like you're saying victims bring things on themselves. Is that what you're saying?"

The 80-year-old replied: "No, not quite, but then yes I am. Everything that happens to us is the result of what we have been in previous lives."

The comments echo those of Glenn Hoddle who was sacked as England's football manager in 1999 after he was quoted as appearing to suggest disabled people were paying for sins committed in previous lives.


Glenn Hoddle appeared to say disabled people were paying for previous sins
Roache has been asked by Sky News correspondent Becky Johnson: "You appear to have suggested some victims may be paying for things they did in a past life. Is that how you feel?"

The star replied: "No I would not go along and say things like that. I'm not saying that.

"In this situation where we can only talk about the law. I'm not going to talk about victims or life.

"Life is what we make it. We do come into life to learn from certain experiences and broadly some of the major experiences we have we have asked to go through. This is my understanding of life."

He added: "If you're going to pin me down and start saying 'all victims deserve what they're getting'. No I am not saying that at all."

His remarks to TVNZ were condemned by the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (NAPAC), which said his comments were an insult to abuse victims.

Dr Jon Bird, from NAPAC, condemned Roache's "hippy-dippy" spiritualist beliefs, saying child sex abuse left people with horrific physical and mental scars.

He said of the remarks: "This is a real insult, it is horrible. I think a lot of people will be deeply offended by what he said. Abuse is a crime. The rape of a child is an appalling crime and the long term effects we hear about include suicide."

john said...

Cont..

Roache's co-star of 30 years, Michael Le Vell, has been suspended from the ITV soap after he was charged with 19 child sex offences.

Le Vell, whose real name is Michael Turner, appeared in court last month and was bailed until his next appearance in the dock at Manchester Crown Court. Le Vell has insisted he is innocent.

During his interview with TVNZ, Roache said: "Everyone's innocent until they're proven guilty."

He described paedophilia as "absolutely horrendous" but added: "There's a fringe here ... particularly pop stars who have these groupies, these girls, who are sexually active and sexually mature.

"They don't ask for their birth certificate and they don't know what age they may be. They're certainly not grooming them and exploiting them but they can be caught in this trap."

He added: "These people are instantly stigmatised. Some will be innocent and some will not, but until such time as (any offence) is proven, there should be anonymity for both.

"If someone has done something wrong, the law should take its course. But whether they're proven guilty or not, we should never be judgemental about anyone.

"We shouldn't go round condemning. We should be forgiving about everything."

Speaking to Sky News, Roache said: "I'm not blaming anybody for anything but things were different back in the 1970s. People were more tactile.

"I think it's probably unfair to judge too harshly today on things that were done 20 or 30 years ago.

"There should be a greater understanding that things were different in those days."

He added: "I'm not excusing inappropriate and insensitive behaviour to women. I think women are wonderful and they should be treated with respect."

Thanks John.

http://news.sky.com/story/1066749/coronation-st-bill-roache-sorry-over-remarks

Juliette said...

DUNN: Four to five blocks. It wasn`t rare for Hailey to walk a short distance during daylight. She wasn`t allowed out after dark especially to walk, but she only had four to five blocks to go.
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I have trouble understanding what Billie is saying here....she first states Hailey went to her friend's house at 3:00 in the afternoon, then she refutes her information by saying Hailey wasn't allowed out after dark usually BUT she only had 4 or 5 blocks to go.

If Hailey went at 3:00 in the afternoon, it wouldn't have been dark, why does Billie mention Hailey only had to go a few blocks in the dark?

I don't understand why Billie mentions Hailey walking in the dark if it was 3:00 in the afternoon.

S + K Mum said...

It's so frustrating for Billie that nobody is telling her or her attorney anything - must be very time consuming for them trying to get anything that isn't speculation. Shame.

Is this location near to where S.A. worked or on the route to where BJD and him went to purchase drugs the (eve) day Hailey was last seen?

john said...

This is from my OT above..

"They're certainly not grooming them and exploiting them but they can be caught in this trap."

As we note is S/A anything in the negative is sensitive..This statement is made in the free editing process..

Skeptical said...

Killers often think they have gotten away with murder, but so often people going about their day doing ordinary things find the bodies they have disposed of or hidden. I wonder if they ever heard Albert Einstein's quote, "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous."

Anonymous said...

My question is why through DNA testing , is there a difference from they ent dental instead????? So the body of bones was not a grave so her body was just left there all out opened !!!! So if its Hailey will we ever know a cause of death????

Mainah said...

"This is a tragic and difficult event

to keep dragging

this mother through.”

"this IS A....event".
"keep dragging" is jumping out at me. (Not: "putting a mother through" etc., but "dragging"?) How is she "dragged through" events? Dragged through the mud maybe on his mind. A defensive defense attorney?

Shelley said...

Does anyone know if Shawns cell phone ever pinged here?

And that 2nd photo of Billie and Shawn really says it all.

Both with big ole smiles like they are just at a fund raiser for their daughters cheerleading.

Those are not faces of horror.

Not that really any of us that follow this site think they were innocent... but you would think they would try to look distraught for the camera since its clear they knew their photo was being taken.

I hope Hailey is recovered and they can link the murder to these 2. I am so sick of seeing parents get away with killing their own children.


john said...

This is from my OT above..

"They're CERTAINLY NOT grooming them and exploiting them but they can be caught in THIS trap."

As we note is S/A anything in the negative is sensitive..This statement is made in the free editing process..

A couple more things.

CERTAINLY=This is a unnecessary word,if taken out the sentence, it still gets across the point.It is also use to convince.

THIS=This is close,That is distance.So why does he feel the need to put himself close to a TRAP..

S + K Mum said...

Mainah,
Dragging - that jumped out at me too.
If the body they have just found was left out in the elements and the bones are scattered,then most likely animals will have been dragging it.
He may know this and the word is on his mind ?

S + K Mum said...

It's a very odd statement to say that people keep dragging BJD through 'this tragic event'.

What 'tragic event' is he talking about because as far as everyone else is concerned Hailey is missing - (for arguements sake) she could be alive or she could be dead, either way, this issue will come up until she is found.

Does he know she is dead?

Nanna Frances said...

The site where the remains were found is about a mile from Shawn's grandmother's house. There was a comment that cells would not ping there.

Dental records are faster than DNA testing. Does anyone know if the body has been transferred yet?

Anonymous said...

At nanna no not to my knowledge there still at the site as of today .

BostonLady said...

Hi Nanna Frances! Just a quick correction on the distance to Shawn's grandmother. Dunn is supposedly 22 miles from the Lake. I think you may be thinking of last year when the other body was found and it was a mile away from Shawn's mother's home.

However, from reading comments online, WSI, where Shawn worked is only a few miles from the Lake. I read that the Lake is located inbetween C City and Big Springs. And that would have been the road Shawn was on ..

Anonymous said...

HAILEY is the one who has been 'dragged' through this event; NOT Billie.

Anonymous said...

Rest assured these bones will be identified. If old scattered out bones left lying since WW1 can be identified, so can these.

If this is Hailey, the problem with being able to prosecute Shawn and Billie will be that clear-cut evidence cannot be established as to how Hailey died unless something very revealing and unquestionable turns up.

That being the case, Billie and Shawn will hang onto their lies that Hailey was kidnapped down around the motel where the dogs once supposedly sniffed Hailey's scent, (or wherever)and murdered by someone else.

I'm sure Billie will be able to put on an excellent I told-you-so sob-fest; likely getting away with sexually abusing and murdering Hailey for the rest of hers' and Shawns' lives.

ME said...

John
Evil ken roach (last week)was on a tv show"speaking to his dead dog"via a pet psychic!!! He's going senile and letting the cats out of his evil closet!!

ecossie possie said...

Why would Hailey have to communicate with her mother about a sleeep over at Mary Beths via Sean Adkins.


Tell my mom this tell my mom that.
Billie tells us I leave my celll phone at home whilst Im working.
So my Kids can talk tom.
If this sleepover senario where correct.
First Hailey would call her mother at work to disscus this arangment with her.
Doesnt she say I leave MY Cell phone when Im at work so the kids can call me.
Infering that for this exact thing is why the phone is left specificly.
So Its not as if she is claiming I tell themm never to bother or calll me at work.Unless its an emergancy.
No quite the opposite she leaves her cell as the norm for them to contact her.
Yet on this day no cotact by her Daughter by phone for a sleep over.
No messsage or number left for Billie to contact Mary Brths Parents for conformation of sleepover.
Just a cusual by the way from her boyfreind HAiley said x y z an is staying out tonight blah blah .
Not worried puposefully leaves herself on the periphiphal of events .
At work blah blah at work again.
Even moves the resposeability for discovery of Haileys MISSING status onto her only remaining young Son.
He is the one who must call her little freind.
Why not her.
Why didnt Hailey use the cell regulary left when she at work to call an discuss sleep over.

We all know the answers to thease questions Hailey was dead an Billie thinks her craftyness is to subbtle for us dimwits to see through.

What is her answer to that question why didnt her Daughter phone her or leave a message at work?
Why use boyfreing by proxy to deliver message?
Why is She the mother useing everyone by proxy to confirm the story of a live then missing Daughter.
By proxy she is alive by the eyes of her poxy murdering blood lustfull boyfreind sean adkins seen her she was there about THREE Not me though I didnts see her I was at work.

Next day again by proxy manipulates situation so her son makes the fatefull phone call.
Why phone your son to ask him to phone or text his Sister an tell her to go ahead an get home.

Rather convaluted way to go about buisness?Why not just call or phone or txt Mary Beths Mom an talk to Hailey direct?

Again we know why but Billies so so obvious meddling an positioning of charecters an events screams of her guilt.
Without the obvious fauzpasse of refering to your Child in the past tence twice within two sentances.

She may consider herself street smart an all.
But she isnt realy the smart thing to do would be the opposite of her an her boyfreind dumb an dumber.

Her behaviour pre post an dureing events screams of her an seans guilt in the ABUSE an MURDER of her Daughter a Daughter she didnt deserve.
A Daughter she saw as a rival an constant daily reminder of her own ageing an body heading south rapido.
As she was willting her Daughter was blooming an that was just another unaceptable slap of reality this shallow excuse for a human being could not would not accept.

As soon as this pair are arestted theback stabing will comence.
Prosecuters love the lex lovers cut throat defence as it implicates both an ensures a double conviction if not even guilty pleas from at least one of the defendants.

Anonymous said...

The travel miles and time from the Dunn home Colorado City TX to SA workplace (WSI) Snyder TX is 26.9 miles / 36 minutes following Route 208.

Dunn, TX, home of SA grandmother is located along this route.

It is 24.8 miles / 34 minutes from his workplace to the beginning of County Road 3236 or, the road the remains were located. This following route 350 to FM 1298 to CR 3236.

Route 350 is a direct route between Snyder and Big Spring. SA mother resides in Big Spring. It is 35.1 miles / 52 minutes to Big Spring from CR 3236.

The travel miles and time from the Dunn home direct to CR 3236 is 29.4 miles / 51 minutes or 34.1 miles / 42 minutes depending on the route travelled. The later is travelling through Dunn TX.

It is 22.4 miles / 29 minutes from Dunn TX to CR 3236.

Anonymous said...

"That pain is always there and every time a body is found, of course, I'm scared to death that it's her all the time. I'm looking for answers and closure but then, again when a body is found, I'm praying it's not her," Dunn said.


I bet she is scared to death of going to prison

Anonymous said...

How long until they know if its her ?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Rest assured these bones will be identified. If old scattered out bones left lying since WW1 can be identified, so can these.

If this is Hailey, the problem with being able to prosecute Shawn and Billie will be that clear-cut evidence cannot be established as to how Hailey died unless something very revealing and unquestionable turns up.

That being the case, Billie and Shawn will hang onto their lies that Hailey was kidnapped down around the motel where the dogs once supposedly sniffed Hailey's scent, (or wherever)and murdered by someone else.

I'm sure Billie will be able to put on an excellent I told-you-so sob-fest; likely getting away with sexually abusing and murdering Hailey for the rest of hers' and Shawns' lives.

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I agree. There is a mob on facebook who seem to believe that the second the remains are identified as Hailey's, Billie and Shawn will be locked away forever. Sadly, if the remains are identified as Hailey's, it doesn't mean they killed her. I believe they -- or at least one of them -- did, but there must be more evidence against them to make an arrest and ultimately, get a conviction. I'm hoping real evidence exists and the super sleuths on FB are simply unaware of it. Regardless, this is going to take some time. Bea Wacker needs to cool her jets. She won't be a star witness any time soon.

Jen said...

" I know the FBI isn't talking to anybody outside of law enforcement besides me," Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, said."

BJD is telling is EVERYTHING in this one statement (even if it's a lie). It appears she knows this is going to be Hailey.

If the body is unidentified, wasn't found due to a 'tip' about Hailey, and there is truly NO INKLING as to who it may be, then the FBI would not share info with BJD, any more than they would share it with some random person from California or NY, who has a missing loved one.

Billie is linking herself to this body and implying that SHE is the only person, other than L.E. who has a legitimate connection to this investigation. BJD believes this discovery is pertinent to HER, and therefore she links herself to the investigation, saying SHE 'knows' that nobody besides herself has 'inside knowledge'. This is likely true, but not because 'her FBI guy', and LE have shared anything with her. Billie choses to link herself to this body and investigation. Even as she lies, she reveals that SHE is the person that information about this unidentified body, will matter too!

I would assume the only thing LE has 'told' Billie goes something like this...'Dont you worry Billie, if this turns out to be Hailey, you will be the first to know'! (wink wink)

Anonymous said...

Anon @1:00, who is Bea Wacker? Also, what is the link to the facebook you make reference too?

Glad to hear you agree with me; not because you agree, per se', but because I can't see Billie and Shawn getting locked up anytime soon if this IS Hailey; if ever. Not unless there is some clear cut and positive evidence that they killed and dumped her there; such as, the FBI having documented evidence and LE can prove it.

Billie and Shawn have held out too long; one isn't suddenly going to start squealing on the other since they are BOTH involved to one degree or another with each knowing the other ones involvement. Uh uh. No way.

I've never resolved it in my mind that there may have been a third party involved in Hailey's sexual abuse, violent rape that turned deadly, and her disposal that night, possibly with video running as she was abused, possibly by more than one or two people. Remember, they LOVED violent and deviate sex acts. Loved watching filthy videos, including animal AND child rape/porn, and reading about them.

Who could that third person be? Billie's brother? Some other deviate they doped and partied with? If this IS Hailey, then someone helped Shawn put Hailey in that location which apparently was too far off the road for him to carry her by himself. Who? Billie? Her brother? Some other sicko they invited to their sex/rape-Hailey party that night?

Whoever. These people aren't going to admit anything anytime soon and will fight any and all accusations to the bitter end; will sling their own accusations against others, and more than likely will get away with what they did to Hailey, that no one can do a thing about.

Believe me, I'd LOVE to see them in jail before the sun sets in the west today, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon and quite possibly never. In the end, I hope I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

Here is the link to the facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Waiting-On-Justice-For-Our-Girl-HD/341139815923339?fref=ts

Bea Wacker was involved in searches for Hailey early on and now apparently believes she is running the investigation. Hailey's case consumes her days. It's kind of sad and pathetic all at once.

That said, there are good people who have devoted so much time to Hailey, it would be nice for them to get to see some sort of justice done. I do agree that it's going to be a difficult case to bring to a grand jury and that they have lasted a great deal of time unscathed. If one of them rolls, it will be Shawn. I can't figure out how he got her out there, either, although the undercarriage of Billie's was was damaged, which she blamed on LE.

BostonLady said...

Anonymous at 1pm. Was it really necessary to attack Bea? Bea has done physical searching for Hailey and other things. What have you done?

This is about finding a body out in an area that may be Hailey.

Anonymous said...

I guess it wasn't necessary, Donald, but it was pretty accurate, kind of how you jump on Bobby. Not living in the area, I haven't done any more than you. Unlike Bea, I also have not caused unnecessary drama that was hurtful to Connie Jones, nor have I openly accused Clint Jones of being into child porn with no proof whatsoever. I get that she searched and I acknowledged it. You'll have to pardon me if I question her motives. They've seemed sketchy, off and on, over the last couple of years. That said, I'm well aware what this case is about and I hope justice prevails.

BostonLady said...
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BostonLady said...

Anonymous 2:00 pm and 2:16 pm, it's Clint Dunn, not Jones.

Again, your taking aim at a searcher is in bad taste and unnecessary. Stay as anonymous and take your shots. Speaks volumes.

Although you seem to want to start something and divert the discussion, I won't continue to engage.

Now back to the real discussion.

Anonymous said...

Ahhh, but Patricia Trichel and Erica also searched, yes? But they were "fair game?" Watch out, Boston Lady Diane, too much time on that facebook page zaps brain cells!

Anonymous said...

Amen Peter!! Any new update for today , news been quite today

Sus said...

OT
The body found in Lake Erie yesterday has been identified as Jacob Samusenko. I haven't read if he was injured before being in the lake. My first instinct is that he was a victim of a senseless crime by a stranger. It could be that he simply slipped while running, though.

Either way, I doubt the Erie police take much time to find out. They seem to pretty much ignore the Russian Federation mmigrant population in their city. The culture and background of the immigrants ensures they will tolerate such treatment.

RIP, Jacob.

BostonLady said...

I found this very interesting from Victor at KTAB. He has added several pics to the FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/ktabvictor

Dps vehicle just north of where remains were found. I was told where they were found, if the lake was full, would have been underwater. The water did not reach that area back in 2010.

sidewalk super said...



(bjd and her token male "dragged [Hailey's body] through the mud" to whatever shallow grave has hidden her for so long)

Any more pictures of handcuffed bjd?
Maybe some shots of leg chains with the handcuffs?

Anonymous said...

Awww... heartbreaking. It is so sad that Jacob's body has been found in Lake Erie. I was hoping he had simply gone to an old friend's home on the spur of the moment for a few days to let matters cool off at home, maybe do some quiet thinking alone.

Then after a day or two and he didn't contact his family, or no one else did who could have told them where he was, there was nothing left to conclude other than foul play or he fell into the lake.

But jogging around the lake after dark, him with no jacket and the temp is dropping? That didn't make sense either. We'll probably never know how he landed up in that lake unless there is some evidence that leads to a suspect.

RIP Jacob, and may God forever keep you in his loving arms. My condolences and warm wishes to his family too, I'm sure they are devastated. God bless them.

equinox said...

Jen @ 1:35
That's a great insight. I think you are right.

Paging Dexter Morgan said...

I'm so sick of watching baby killers go unprosecuted in cases where there REALLY IS enough evidence to procede.

Acquittal despite mountains of evidence is hard enough to swallow---but never even TRYING to obtain justice, for kids like Ayla and Hailey, is inexcusable.

Where is 'Dexter' when you need him??
Just kidding..
but not really.

Peter Hyatt said...

IEquinox, get in touch with me and I will share how accurate your analysis was!

Peter Hyatt said...

Nanna Frances,

I believed then and believe now, regardless of how this turns out, that Hailey is in Scurry County.

Anonymous said...

Map from ScaredMonkeys:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/20/ypume7ah.jpg

Nic said...

A little bee was buzzing at me to check stmt analysis today.

Prayers for Hailey.

God speed.

Anonymous said...

I read a comment from a local who said drilling activity in that area has increased drastically because of the Cline Shale oil discovery. This might explain the recent discovery of long lost loved ones. Even if this isn't Hailey, I hope this means she will be found soon. And I hope BD and SA are sweating each time they see new oil company vehicles on the back roads.

http://theclineshale.com/The_Cline_Shale/News/Entries/2013/2/4_Big_Country_Communities_Bracing_for_Cline_Shale_Boom.html

"Several issues need to be ironed out to accommodate the companies that are coming in with its employees and their families. Cities within the Cline have attracted developers to build homes apartments, restaurants and other businesses to reinforce somewhat aging and a few outdated infrastructures.

"We're building as fast as we can," Sue Young, executive director of the Mitchell County Economic Development, said Wednesday after a Cline meeting in Snyder, in nearby Scurry County. "We are excited, staying optimistic about the water supply and we want everyone to live in Mitchell County."

Government leaders in Mitchell County, particularly those in Colorado City, are working with developers to build housing units, Young said. The county also has a power plant — not associated with oil — coming to town.

"Our city is working hard to get the infrastructure in place to accommodate the new businesses," Young said. "We have hotels being built and we have restaurants coming in. It's an exciting time but we're just trying to keep up much less stay ahead.

Nic said...

Remember when [they] thought that they may have found Susan Powell? Her dad was immediately on site "in waiting".


Where's BJD?

Anonymous said...

Where's BJD?

Told by the FBI and Local Officers to stay away from the crime scene.....

Anonymous said...

I believe you're right, Peter!

Midnight Lurker

~ABC said...

Juliette said...
DUNN: Four to five blocks. It wasn`t rare for Hailey to walk a short distance during daylight. She wasn`t allowed out after dark especially to walk, but she only had four to five blocks to go.
____

I have trouble understanding what Billie is saying here....she first states Hailey went to her friend's house at 3:00 in the afternoon, then she refutes her information by saying Hailey wasn't allowed out after dark usually BUT she only had 4 or 5 blocks to go.

If Hailey went at 3:00 in the afternoon, it wouldn't have been dark, why does Billie mention Hailey only had to go a few blocks in the dark?

I don't understand why Billie mentions Hailey walking in the dark if it was 3:00 in the afternoon.

_____________________________
Hi Juliette

Here's my take on the BJD statement you've quoted.

DUNN: Four to five blocks. It wasn`t rare for Hailey to walk a short distance during daylight. **(Insert unannounced leadin that I am about to tell you why you should believe that I am a briliiant parent)** She wasn`t allowed out after dark especially to walk,
**(I'll repeat my answer to your original question now that I've attempted to persuade you that I am the best mother in the whole wide world and you should have no suspicions of me!)** but she only had four to five blocks to go.
...end BJD quote

And Juliette you say you have trouble understanding what Billie is saying? Right, she's counting on exactly that! This twisted way of deceptive communcation ALWAYS leaves a door open for her to say she's been misunderstood. :)

Anonymous said...

Eeeeks.. The photo of that knarly freak with all his junk exposed in his tight bikini shorts and holding Billie Jean with her legs and butt all but exposed (at the beginning of Peter's article) is truly obscene.

It would have been only a matter of time before Hailey started to be embarassed and ashamed to have a POS mother like her, and might have already. Poor Hailey.

Midnight Lurker

Anonymous said...

This is another one of Billie's distortions, ABC. "I didn't mean this, I meant that, and this and this". She claims Hailey was last seen at 3:00 p.m., certainly no darkness then when she was supposedly last seen by Shawn, so why snarl the statement to make it more than asked? But Billie continues and hangs herself in her lie by saying Hailey was never allowed out after dark, which makes the time of 3:00 p.m. come into question.

I guess she thought we'd never find out the truth about Hailey's pathetic home life? Billie's life centered around Shawn, the bedroom, their doping/sex parties, their violent videos and the evil videos they made and watched together, AND getting more dope and MORE sex.

Under the best of circumstances, children will run out the door after dark if they get the chance; will beg, gotta go here, gotta go there, it's just six blocks, please please please, I'll be right back, and so on.

And that's in sober homes with caring parents. They really do have to be watched or they'll shoot out the door in a flash and meet up with a friend if you let them or they think they won't get caught. Billie's thoughts weren't on Hailey, she had no time or care for Hailey's welfare.

How the hell would Billie know, or care, what Hailey did after dark, left to her own devices? Hailey would have been in and out of that house at all hours of the evening, especially trying to avoid Shawn; coming and going as she pleased, staying out of that house and away from Shawn as long as she could, and sleeping over whenever she could as long as she had no interferance from mommie dearest and evil b/f Shawn who was laying in wait to rape her and she knew it.

And why not? What child doesn't dart about with friends, in and out of stores, running down the street to dopehead daddy's pigpen, doing whatever, when they have the opportunity? Especially when mommie dearest is already doped up, locked up in debauchery with with her doped up boyfriend, or passed out.

Billie thought she was making herself appear to be a doting caring mother right off the bat when she said Hailey wasn't allowed out after dark; when she didn't care a squat about Hailey's welfare as long as she had Shawn in her bedroom, doing the nasty, running their deviate videos and doping with her.

The miracle is that Hailey was able to do as well in school as she did, and excelled in some areas, but she certainly had no stable homelife or anyone who cared about her well being. This golden girl's lost life and her many unfulfilled talents is a loss to humanity; not to Billie (or Clint), but to humanity. Very sad.

Midnight Stalker

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