Friday, March 22, 2013

Friend of Hailey Posts Statement

This was sent to me via email:


(NAME EDITED OUT)  She did change. Alot after she got with shawn.. thats wwhen hailey changed to. She started hanging out with a different crowd.. me and hailey were the type that everyone loved but we knew who the bad ones were. After bd got with SA she changed.. david wasnt as open hailey started to hang out with the kids we called " the ganster group". Thats when me and hailey drifted apart. And billie, she changed in every way. She had a very short fuse. And when she lost her temper she lost it. I never saw her lay a hand on hailey in any way she shouldnt have but she yelled alot. And i mean alot. As for Shawn. He was just weird. When wede jump on the trampoline he would stand at the door. Haileys room door had no doorknob and we used to stick clothes in it to cover it so that shawn couldnt see in. We cought him many times watching us. But we never thought anything of it.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

That makes me so sad:(

john said...

Hi Peter,

May i ask when was the email was sent to you.

Thanks..

SAlurker said...

Oh. My heart aches. What Hailey went through.
What her teenage friend will go through for the rest of her life.

So very sad.

Anonymous said...

so, is she lying?

Anonymous said...

Is who lying?

Anonymous said...

SKEoD
so you were Hailey's friend... and you thought it was ok for her to date a 20 year old when she was only 13?

A Minor Friend of Hailey's
he was a nice guy.. and i think age is just a number...
Things are different in the town we came from.
They dont care about age.
You love who you love.

SKEoD
did hailey party? drugs or alcohol?

A Minor Friend of Hailey's
We snuck into wine coolers in our parents fridge

Anonymous said...

also posted on the same thread as the email you received by the same facebook account:

I am shalonna's daughter. Me and hailey were VERY close. And yes she was very uncomfortable around him. He used to always read her some "poem" type thing. Idk. I know her better than anyone ever could.. we drifted apart about a year before she went missing but we still talked. All of you who dont know her personally need to stop. And as far as the stuff about billie, i think everyone should lay off because we dont know anything for a fact.. lay off my mother!! She was right!! This is a page for hailey and all yall do is talk crap about billie!! I can see how much yall care. The only thing yall care about is that its getting yall a little bit of attention!! The name of this page says nothing about bille dunn yet its all yall seem to talk about!!! How about grow up and wait for the proof before you start pointing fingers!! Bille was a great mother!! Yall are pathetic.

And her real name is shalonna you damn idiots!! Grow up.

Anonymous said...

and more from the friend who is in fact one of the enemies Hailey had listed on her myspace:

No. The group that hailey started to hang out with didnt like me.. thats one of the reasons she didnt talk to me. I was listed as her enemy.. but we still talked. When she needed someone she always came to me.

Mouse74 said...

Dear Anonymous posters,

It makes for a hard reading thread when you don't use a name. Just use a bogus name. Pick a random word or color and throw a number behind it. It appears as if the same person is posting over and over, right after one another at times.

john said...

"Bille WAS a great mother"

WAS=Past tense..

Shouldn't that be Billie (IS)a great Mother.

Although Hailey isn't around anymore, she is still her Mother.

So why isn't she a great mother now Hailey is gone..

Once a Mother always a Mother,be it a good one or a bad one..

Anonymous said...

If you continue to read her comments on facebook:she admits to being listed as any enemy. She claims Hailey's new group of friends did not like her. However, she also claims that Hailey still talked to her at times. Remember they are kids and kids will post things like that on the drop of a dime and make up with someone the next day. I have seen my own teenager (close to Hailey's age at the time she went missing) do the same thing as well as her friends.

Anonymous said...

John,

You pointed out the past tense and that even though Hailey is gone she "IS" still her mother. Either way Billie has another child that she is mothering (I use that term loosely). That comment was made in context to her parenting before and after Shawn.

S + K Mum said...

'I never saw her lay a hand on Hailey in any way she shouldn't have'

So, what does this mean, she laid hands on her but didn't beat her up too much? Just a slap now and again or what does the writer feel is an acceptable way to lay hands on your daughter?

john said...

I may be way off here:

How about grow up and wait for the PROOF before you start pointing fingers.

Def=Proof (truth), argument or sufficient evidence for the truth of a proposition.

Why not say.How about grow up there is no PROOF.

With her saying wait for the proof,it is like she thinks its a matter of time before the proof is discovered.

Anonymous said...

Savannah Nikole McGarity Im not smearing anyones name.. im saying what i knew when i was around her.. from what i can see about you is that you are all about stating your opinion but when someone posts something that you dont like you quickly start being rude and making assumtions.. IMO!!!!
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Seriously, this is currently the smartest person posting on Waiting on Justice fb page right now. Poor former friend of Hailey's... still a kid... and getting attacked. No surprise there, though one would think they would leave a poor kid alone. Shame on you, Bea. Again.

BostonLady said...

This is allegedly a 15 yr old girl who is posting on FB. Her mother indicated that they had drifted apart when Shawn came into the picture. There are some statements that are contradictory to the above. She states Billie was a good mother but later she stated Billie changed, yelled a lot, had a short fuse. This girl also stated that she stayed over at Hailey's and Hailey's door to her bedroom was missing a doorknob so there was an open hole. She said that she and Hailey would stuff clothing into the hole because they had caught Shawn staring at them thru that hole. She also said Shawn read a poem to Hailey all the time and Hailey did not like Shawn.

I don't know why a 15 yr old would be posting on an adult facebook page or why her mother would allow it.

Something doesn't seem right.

Anonymous said...

BostonLady; This is not unusual at all in todays' world. I know of kids who started on facebook at around 6 years old and so did their little school friends, all having their own facebook page. I know of one who was proficient on the computer at four years old!

All I ever saw them doing was playing childish games and fairytales, then later also doing their homework and research together. There are a lot of good activities on the computer for kids. Many of these kids have their own computer or laptop.

Even in elementary, the teachers post their homework assignments on facebook and give them links to follow to do research. Adult games and many blogs were blocked to them. Since I know some of these kids, I do see them occasionally posting on their parents facebook pages.

That's just the way it is now.

Midnight Lurker

Anonymous said...

@Boston Lady - sadly there is a lot wrong in this world with internet safety and children and it has nothing to do with this case :(

Regarding the poster previous about anon posters: I believe it is more confusing to read threads with sorely lacking grammar that we are seeing.

Finally, I too am interested in when Mr. Hyatt received this email.

~mj

Nic said...

I never saw her lay a hand on hailey in any way she shouldnt have but she yelled alot.

Never doesn't mean "no"/that it didn't happen. Just that she didn't *see* it happen. I wonder if someone asked Savannah point blank if Hailey reported being hit, etc., if her answer might be different.

Also, what's with Hailey's room door having no door knob? So she wasn't entitled to privacy? She wasn't entitled to feel "safe" if she was feeling threatened, we her grandmother reported she was. So what? they intentionally made her feel threatened/stalked in her own home? Nice.

Was this door knob still off when LE did their investigation of the home? And if not, why not? Is it because they knew it was WRONG to have done that to her? That it would run counter to their supposed "good parenting" skills?

Poor Hailey.

jmo

Nic said...

Should have typed:

She wasn't entitled to feel "safe" if she was feeling threatened, AS her grandmother reported she was...

Anonymous said...

BTW BostonLady, these elementary kids also have computer sciences classes and tutoring. I've seen them typing on the computer keyboard as perfectly and fast as many adults do, in only the second and third grades.

Midnight Lurker

Anonymous said...

There's nothing wrong with someone posting as anonymous if one doesn't want to use an identity, particularly if they feel like they will be slammed if they happen to post something someone else doesn't like; when they're only trying to get their point across.

I've been reading here a long time, a lot longer than many of you and I've seen it happen many times over; and I've seen those who were using an identity revert to anonymous after they've been verbally reamed out and slammed a few times.

Maybe if people would stop insulting and slamming people and would respect the opinions of others even when they don't agree, all of the anons would chose a name.

Midnight Lurker

Anonymous said...

Well said Midnight Lurker @ 12:54 ~ I have also been reading a long time, but have been gun-shy about commenting for that exact reason.

~mj

Peter Hyatt said...

The SPAM filter sometimes gets Anonymous postings automatically.

I ask that someone choose a name. If they wish to remain anonymous, just type in a different name each time, but it allows for dialogue but it also helps keep them out of the SPAM filter.

When slamming takes place, we do our best to delete.

Lemon said...

Midnight Lurker aka we've seen you here before:

Respectfully, your roboposting and attacks on regular posters are becoming tedious.

You say "Maybe if people would stop insulting and slamming people and would respect the opinions of others even when they don't agree, all of the anons would chose a name."

Have you considered following your own advice?

Leave Hobs alone, her eternal destiny is not your affair. We know you loathe and detest dope mothers. We know you don't like neglectful fathers. We're sorry about your grand daughter. We're sorry your children didn't visit you at Thanksgiving. We're sorry about your health issues.

But for the love of all that is holy and fish sticks, will you refrain from roboposting and attacking others?

Can you just think for a moment about this legitimate request, before banging off a passive-aggressive post?

~mj said...

Ok, I can do that. From my TEENY TINY phone it looked like the option for name you also had to have a URL - but I see that isn't the case.

I'll play by the rules :)

Lemon said...

mj

well done!

Mouse74 said...

I wasn't trying to offend, Midnight lurker and mj. It was just a request for an easier reading blog. It's just hard to tell who is who sometimes.

There are arse-holes in every part of life, even a blog page. You can't control that, even by remaining anonymous :D.

Anonymous said...

There's nothing wrong with someone posting as anonymous if one doesn't want to use an identity, particularly if they feel like they will be slammed if they happen to post something someone else doesn't like; when they're only trying to get their point across.
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exactly midnight florida lurker, that is why i havent followed the case as well as you and dont know anything.

~mj said...

@ lemon - *takes a bow* thank-you :)

@ mouse 74 - I know you weren't taking a shot at me, I agree, posters without names do make reading the thread harder. I was making the point that the dreadful grammar was a larger obstacle for me personally. Regarding agreeing with midnight lurker, that was purely on posting because of some attackers - having nothing to do with whether I used a name. I just was an idiot and couldn't figure out how to use one :) I got it together now!

child advocate said...


I'm fascinated with Statement Analysis (was going to say SA, but didn't want anyone to think I meant Shawn A), I check this site for new articles and comments several times a day. I appreciate all the knowledge Pater, Heather and regular posters have. I want to learn and contribute. What's bothering me is the nasty comments that people are leaving. They are counterproductive, the negativity isn't helping anyone. This is about Hailey Dunn, not the butt hurt feelings of people who comment.

I hope and pray this is Hailey, so she can be laid to rest with the dignity and respect she deserves. I hope and pray this is Hailey, so SA and BJD can face the consequences for killing her.

Agree said...

child advocate said...

I'm fascinated with Statement Analysis (was going to say SA, but didn't want anyone to think I meant Shawn A), I check this site for new articles and comments several times a day. I appreciate all the knowledge Pater, Heather and regular posters have. I want to learn and contribute. What's bothering me is the nasty comments that people are leaving. They are counterproductive, the negativity isn't helping anyone. This is about Hailey Dunn, not the butt hurt feelings of people who comment.

I hope and pray this is Hailey, so she can be laid to rest with the dignity and respect she deserves. I hope and pray this is Hailey, so SA and BJD can face the consequences for killing her.

March 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM
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I couldn't have said it better myself. It is telling to me that the most active Hailey page has very little to do with Hailey herself and is much more of a "we hate Billie page." I can't stand Billie, either and I hope justice moves swiftly. But I stopped participating on the page because there is no real conversation or input unless you want to criticize Billie's boob job or call her names. Oh, in moments of supreme self righteousness someone will invariably say, "We're here for Hailey" and then the conversation immediately disintegrates into more Billie bashing. And God forbid you ask a logocal question or point out that the page should be about Hailey. You will quickly be told to leave by a certain mannish woman who is under the very mistaken impression that she is the owner of the Internet. "Mannish" was bashing. Turnabout is fair play, yes?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
also posted on the same thread as the email you received by the same facebook account:

I am shalonna's daughter. Me and hailey were VERY close. And yes she was very uncomfortable around him. He used to always read her some "poem" type thing. Idk. I know her better than anyone ever could.. we drifted apart about a year before she went missing but we still talked. All of you who dont know her personally need to stop. And as far as the stuff about billie, i think everyone should lay off because we dont know anything for a fact.. lay off my mother!! She was right!! This is a page for hailey and all yall do is talk crap about billie!! I can see how much yall care. The only thing yall care about is that its getting yall a little bit of attention!! The name of this page says nothing about bille dunn yet its all yall seem to talk about!!! How about grow up and wait for the proof before you start pointing fingers!! Bille was a great mother!! Yall are pathetic.

And her real name is shalonna you damn idiots!! Grow up.


March 22, 2013 at 9:48 AM
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I think this is Billy posting.

Anonymous said...

What's bothering me is the nasty comments that people are leaving. They are counterproductive, the negativity isn't helping anyone.

EXACTLY.........

Anonymous said...

i would look forward to reading the comments section because of the smart and insightful comments...the last week the comments have been awful and mean at times and totally off subject...peter i do like your analysis. i also am curious about the situation in GA ...i read the mother said "...he pushes me..."
thank you - jay

Lis said...

I have a hard time taking these kind of facebook postings and the like seriously because there is no way to verify who posted it or if what they are saying has any truth to it. I'd rather analyze an official statement. But that's just me.

Re: the nasty postings lately- seems like there are more and more comments I have to skip past. But that seems to come and go, since I've been reading this blog. Every so often someone gets offended at one particular person and starts posting mean things to them and I usually have no idea why. But then it passes.

Since it's so easy to post anonymously, there's no way to know whether it's even different people posting or one person posting over and over. So I just skip those. I think we may have a troll or two. I hope it won't stop anyone from posting a meaningful analysis.

Anonymous said...

anon said at: March 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM : "... a certain mannish woman who is under the very mistaken impression that she is the owner of the Internet. "Mannish" was bashing. Turnabout is fair play, yes?"

Sounds like the self-righteous baby gate apologist and Harper Lee philosopher, Angela Harry from the Ayla Reynolds case.

Lemon said...

Bonus points for "baby gate apologist" :)

~ABC said...

Thank you for what you've said Lemon. I very much enjoy this website and all that I'm learning about SA. I wish the personal attacks would stop. Some people haven't reached a level of understanding to know the difference between attacking the issues or attacking each other.

In situations like these, where it is difficult to feel pity for someone , I always think of Bob Rule. His 16 yr old daughter Linda was a victim of Gary Ridgeway the Green River Killer. Some of you may know of Mr. Rule's victim impact statement, if not:
‘Mr. Ridgway, there are people here who hate you. I’m not one of them. I forgive you for what you’ve done. You’ve made it difficult to live up to what I believe, and that is what God says to do, and that is forgive, and he doesn’t say to forgive just certain people, he says forgive all. So you are forgiven.’

I choose to feel sorry for anyone who lives a rough life because I don't want to become a bitter, hate-filled person. It's not always easy to do that. Whether you believe in God or don't, anyone has to see the truth that hating someone and wanting revenge on them only chains us to that mentality and we suffer from it. I know this because I've lived it. So I understand why Peter feels sorry for BJD. He has reminded me that I need to do the same.

Anonymous said...

I think the emailer's statements are truthful simply because what she describes resonates with me from what I remember in High School. There were kids, nice kids, who drifted into the trouble making groups for various reasons but remained good kids. I think that is what she was referencing; that Hailey hadn't adopted the behaviors of the group but that her hanging out with them caused the friendship to be estranged. Probably Hailey didn't speak to her old friend in front of the group but did speak to her privately. Why was Hailey trying to fit in with a rough crowd?
Shawn is creepy. Add voyeur to his long list of degenerate creepiness.
Anna

dahbou said...

Thank you for your post, ABC. It was very insightful and thought-provoking.

Hobnob said...

It is worth reading the nasty posts from both anons and those who choose a name simply becaus this is a statement analysis site and they give us plenty of samples to play with.

it is also worth noting when we get an upsurge is such posts, this uually indicates the blog has picked up on a something sensitive to the posters and thus they have the need to insult, mislead and misdirect our attention from what is sensitive, to concentrate on them.

Interstingly enough in their efforts to derail the blog, insult members and divert attention, little nuggets of information leak out.

BTW everyone has a typing style, it can be mispelled words, emoticons, specific words or phrases and so on, these stand out and we can and do know who you are even if you hide behin anonymous or a new name.

~ABC said...

Hi Dahbou

Thank you for your kind comment. :)

Lemon said...

Hobs said:
"BTW everyone has a typing style, it can be mispelled words, emoticons, specific words or phrases and so on, these stand out and we can and do know who you are even if you hide behin anonymous or a new name."
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Word :)

LisaB said...

'I never saw her lay a hand on Hailey in any way she shouldn't have' (S + K Mum)

I dated a recently divorced man with 2 kids. His ex was in an established relationship with a guy who was very touchy-feely with the boys, but not necessarily in a bad way. He tickled them, hugged them, kissed the tops of their heads... One day, I got a message from her saying I'd better not touch her kids. The kids themselves told me she had said I was not to "lay a finger on them". At the time, I assumed she meant that I was not to DISCIPLINE the boys. I did not think there was any reason I should not TOUCH the boys, and while would certainly never have laid a hand on them in any way she shouldn't have,
the older of the two would ruin to hug me when I saw him and I was never sure if that was okay. To me, the OP was stating that Billie did not hit Hailey.

I don't know why a 15 yr old would be posting on an adult facebook page or why her mother would allow it. (BostonLady)

Per Facebook TOS, you must be both at least 13 AND in High School. a 13 year old in middle school can't get an account. A fifteen year old who is still in middle school could not. A 12 year old who was in high school could not. BUT, as a parent, I'd be darned sure I "friended" my teen (and I did) to monitor her activity. She would also be able to post to my wall, or to post to the wall of anyone she was "friends" with. Once you get on Facebook, there is no distinction between minors and adults.