Monday, March 18, 2013

Mark Redwine: Shocking Perversity Revealed

Elaine Redwine revealed that father of missing 13 year old Dylan Redwine,  Mark Redwine, had photos taken of himself, wearing an adult diaper, and, apparently, eating his own feces.

This was before Dylan went to visit, and it was not brought up to the judge to allow the judge to make an appropriate decision to keep Dylan from going.  A judge would likely not allow a child to visit, unsupervised, with such troubling perversity.  Having testified more times than I can remember in child abuse cases, no judge would have ever sent him unsupervised, but would have ordered psych evals for Mark Redwine.

Statement Analysis of Mark Redwine indicate:

Guilty knowledge of Dylan Redwine's disappearance
Verbal indication that Dylan is deceased.

These pictures were discovered approximately about two years ago, and had they been brought to the attention of the judge, would likely have factored into the judge's decision to allow visitation.

Seeing a father wearing a diaper and eating feces would have precluded a judge from allowing unsupervised contact.

These pictures were edited out of the Dr. Phil Show.

Something this disturbing is surprising that Dr. Phil did not seek to address the perversity within Mark Redwine, since he often speaks of breaking out "all the truth" and "getting to the bottom" of issues.

That Dylan revealed to his father the knowledge of these pictures greatly increased the risk of violence to Dylan.

What are the legal ramifications of such a revelation?

We will address this tomorrow night on Crime Wire, at 7PM EST.


86 comments:

john said...

SUNDAY MARCH 17TH 8 PM

ELAINE REDWINE WILL JOIN US TO
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/03/18/websleuths-radio

Web Sleuth Radio Discuss Dylan Redwine.

Skip ahead to 34mins 30secs to hear Elaine Redwine discuss Dyaln



john said...

From above..


ELAINE REDWINE'S SON DYLAN REDWINE HAS BEEN MISSING SINCE BEFORE THANKSGIVING 2012. WE DISCUSSED HER APPEARANCE ON THE DR. PHIL SHOW AND ELAINE SHARED WITH US SOME VERY SHOCKING NEWS ABOUT DYLAN'S FATHER

Red Ryder said...

I wondered how Dr.Phil got Mark to consent to the show? Could it have been as simple as "come and share your side of events and we won't mention or show the pictures? Would that be illegal? It sounds immoral at any rate. I'm not saying this is what happened, just wondering....
I wonder how Elaine had access to the photos? Was this pre -divorce behavior? If so-wow, poor lady!
If Dylan breathed a word about this to Mark, it may well have been his last breath.

john said...

Hi,Red Ryder said.

If Dylan breathed a word about this to Mark, it may well have been his last breath.

I believe this is the question that unfortunately we will never find out?.

Layla said...

That is beyond messed up!

Anita said...

So maybe he repeated of the word "focus" so much because he was indeed worried about these pictures coming to light - to police and in the press.

I remember something in psychology about this sort of behavior being indicative of extreme narcissism and a love of death or necrophilia. It was Erich Fromm and he called it the syndrome of decay as vs. the syndrome of growth. here's a link:

http://www.crimepsych.com/the-syndrome-of-decay-growth#more-811

S + K Mum said...

Eeeooow what?!

Why did Elaine not reveal this to the judge? Did someone else discover these photos and she only found out very recently?

Who told Dylan? It's not the kind of thing I would tell my 14 year old son about......was it Elaine or someone else that told Dylan and does Elaine know that Dylan knew?

Anonymous said...

How could this not have been told to the judge!!! That is so perverse!

S + K Mum said...

I see, I listened to the link above, Dylan discovered the photos of his dad wearing womens clothes, wearing a diaper etc. I didn't think it would be something a mother would tell her young son.

Anonymous said...

Oh God. This is just the grossest thing ever, yet it was not revealed to the judge in family court? That would have been the most damning discovery to keep Dylan from visitation with his father ever again.

Who was looking out for Dylan? Anybody? How could Elaine have NOT revealed this life threatening info to the judge just to protect Dylan? Or if Dylan knew, why didn't he say something? Was Mark also holding something over Elaine's head?

Dr. Phil has lost a huge amount of credibility whether he made a deal with Mark or not, not to reveal these photos, but knew of their existance. Did he? Huge amount.

Anonymous said...

Aye carumba! Not the fecal eating, diaper wearing child killer... hang him high....ok not just yet. But maybe Peter you can use your hockey skills to loosen a few teeth on that POS... just a thought.


Lvmommy702

ChickenLittle said...

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!!!

Poor Dylan! :'(

Makes my heart ache.

If Dylan is gone from this world at least he is in a place that no one will ever be able to hurt him again.

MPA said...

Is there any proof of these photos existing or am I missing something?

Anonymous said...

When did dillon find the photos. And where.

Sus said...

I want to pull some things together here...thinking out loud.

According to Elain, Cory and Dylan saw the picture(s) and discovered Mark's fetish. Dylan discussed his discovery with Mark at his last visit in September.

Mark himself says that he has tried to stay in contact with Dylan by calling and texting, but Dylan does not reply. (Melissa Balius interview )

Eating one's feces is a sexual practice. There are porn sites for it. A narcissist looks for ever deviant sexual practices as he loses control. I hope no one looks at my google searches!! They're pretty embarrassing this morning.

We here, have felt something is suspicious about McDonald's. Mark wanted to sit down and eat. Dylan wanted McDonald's and to see his friends. Mark makes some pretty suspicious statements about McDonald's ...that they "left" which means his mind is on it. That they are eating (in present tense) which leads me to think either it is not true or it was interrupted.

We already know that Mark picked up Dylan up to 35 minutes late at the airport, that Dylan wanted to go to his friends and Mark said no. Add in that Mark lost his means of support when Elain moved away with Dylan because she paid him child support up till then. Now we can add in "eating" comments possibly.

Mark was a powderkeg ready to blow. He most likely did rage and killed Dylan before they reached the house. Or Dylan had to run out of the house and Mark went after him to beat him. The trouble is that the crimescene is wherever Dylan got out of the truck.

Layla said...

I get why Elaine didn't tell the judge.
If she revealed that Dylan had seen these pictures and this info about the existence of Mark's perverse pics is used in a public forum (courtroom) and becomes a source of public, documented humiliation for Mark, imagine how much danger Dylan would be in if the judge didn't stop the visitations. And by the way, I doubt the judge would have stopped the visits or supervised them. As far as I know, what Mark did dressing up in a diaper and as a woman however abnormal and disgusting is not illegal. Judges oftentimes send children to visit with a father who has abused them!!! Mothers need to present strong evidence that the fathers have committed severe physical abuse against the children, and even then, many judges still send them. Look at this very case. Wasn't Mark arrested for child abuse? Didn't he have a history of punching his other wife in the face? Did this cause a judge enough concern to stop or supervise visits? No. So why would the pictures effect visitation rights?
You guys are giving the justice system way too much credit when it comes to this topic of visitation/domestic violence/child abuse.

No Longer Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree Layla! This judge even had a closed door session with Dylan right before this last visit, (which the records are sealed) and this Judge still sent poor Dylan on that last visit unsupervised. BTW...that judge has since retired.
Parental rights are given more weight than children's rights or safety in our current system. A terrible shame on our society.

john said...

OT

Ohio Rape Case: Charges Possible Over Silence
A grand jury will investigate whether anyone else should be charged after two teenage footballers are found guilty of rape.11:09am UK, Monday 18 March 2013

Video: Richmond is comforted by his lawyer after hearing the verdict
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Steubenville has a population of 18,000



Email
Teenagers who failed to come forward after two high school footballers raped a 16-year-old girl could be charged, Ohio's top prosecutor has said.

Trent Mays, 17, and Ma'lik Richmond, 16, broke down in court on Sunday when they were found guilty of raping the girl at an alcohol-fuelled party in the small town of Steubenville in August.

Immediately after the verdict, attorney general Mike DeWine said a grand jury would investigate whether other people, including students, the school's principal, coaches and parents, broke the law by not speaking up after the attack.

The case was made notorious when a video of boys laughing about the assault on the drunk girl went viral.

"Many of the things that we learned during this trial that our children were saying and doing were profane, were ugly," said Judge Thomas Lipps.


Mays is hugged by his father after the verdicts were read out
In one video, high school boys laughed about watching the rape, saying the girl "deserved to be peed on".

Other videos and photos showed Mays and Richmond lifting the unconscious and nearly naked victim by her hands and feet.

"They treated her like a toy," prosecutor Marianne Hemmeter said.

Mays and Richmond were sentenced to at least a year in juvenile prison. Mays was ordered to serve an additional year for photographing the girl naked.

They can be held until they turn 21.

"My life is over," Richmond struggled to say through his sobs.

The crime shocked many in Steubenville because of the seeming callousness with which other students took out their mobile phones to record the attack and gossiped about it online.


Richmond (L) and Mays can be held until they turn 21
In fact, the case came to light via a barrage of text messages, social media posts and online photos and video.

It also led to allegations of a cover-up to protect the celebrated Steubenville High Big Red team.

Noting that 16 people refused to talk, many of them underage, Mr DeWine said possible offences to be investigated include failure to report a crime.

"This community desperately needs to have this behind them, but this community also desperately needs to know justice was done and that no stone was left unturned," he said.

Among those who have been interviewed are the owners of one of the houses where parties were held that night, the high school principal and the football team's 27 coaches, many of them volunteers.

Text messages introduced at the trial suggested the head coach was aware of the rape allegation early on.

john said...

Cont..

Mr DeWine said coaches are among officials required by state law to report child abuse.

The coach and the school district have repeatedly declined to comment.


Mays (L) and Richmond in court on March 14
Prosecutors argued that the victim was so intoxicated she could not consent to sex that night, while the defence contended the girl realised what she was doing and was known to lie.

The girl testified she could not recall what happened but woke up naked in a strange house after drinking at a party.

"It was really scary," she said. "I honestly did not know what to think because I could not remember anything."

She said she believed she had been assaulted when she later read text messages among friends and saw a photo of herself naked, along with a video that made fun of her and the alleged attack.

Three other boys, two of them on the football team, saw something happening that night and did not try to stop it but instead recorded it with their mobile phones.

Granted immunity to testify, they confirmed the girl was assaulted and said she was so drunk she did not seem to know what was happening.


Harding Stadium, home of the Steubenville High Big Red football team
In court Mays and Richmond apologised to the victim, her family and the community.

The 16-year-old victim was not in the room, but her mother addressed the court, telling the boys: "You displayed not only a lack of ... compassion, but a lack of any moral code.

"You were your own accuser through the social media that you chose to publish your criminal conduct on. I have pity for you both."http://news.sky.com/story/1066082/ohio-rape-case-charges-possible-over-silence

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Anonymous said...

You are right Lyla, and anon @1:20; Dead on right. There was already enough evidence to keep this judge from allowing Mark visitation, all ignored. I agree, these photos wouldn't have made any difference either. Unbelievable, but some of these judges do the same things themselves, and worse.

Still, Elaine should have presented them and did whatever she could have to try to prevent Mark having any contact with Dylan, and particularly not unsupervised visitation rights.

I get so sick of these "sealed records" where no one can ever get in to see what these judges and other LE and court officials knew, when they knew it and why they made the decisions they make. It's just not right. No scrutiny. They can get away with anything they want too and no one can do a thing about it. This includes civil court matters where there are frequently large fraudulent money loses at stake.

Did you know they can also prevent paralegals recording their sessions and closed door conference meetings? Sure can. I've seen it where a judge ordered the paralegal out of the room and ordered no dictation or notes.

I've also read court transcripts that had been modified and changed to say the judge said such and such when she did NOT say certain things that were in the finished transcripts, yet this same judge read and approved those documents before they were released.

They get away with whatever they want to do, have no overseer, and to hell with whoever gets in the way or loses their last dime or their life. This judge will carry his guilt for Dylan's murder to his grave and beyond.

IMO Sus is also right; Dylan was chased down and viciously beaten to death by Mark wherever they were when Dylan got out of Mark's truck and tried to run on the night Mark picked him up at the airport.

Jen said...

W....T....F!

I'm not often lost for words but that's about all I can come up with right now....gotta process that for a min and do a little research. I see some of you already have, thanks for sharing!

john said...

Personally i feel i have had the wool pulled over my eyes concerning the Dr Phil show.

This show was supposed to find out about the events leading up to,during and after Dylan's disappearance.

I for one believe this information about M/Rs extra corricular activities is vital in the disappearance of Dylan.

If this was addressed on the show then maybe,maybe other vital clues to Dylan's were about's may have leaked out.

I can see now why MR was so arrogant and smug,he had Dr phil in his pocket.He was in control of the show and NOT Dr Phil.

BostonLady said...

I feel sick to my stomach reading this. I don't understand the psychology of doing this but it is depraved, disgusting, disturbing, SICK. I know I would have never let my children go on an unsupervised visit with a sick individual like Mark regardless of what the court mandated. I would have screamed it to the roof tops in order to keep them away from him. This is not to make Elaine come across as wrong in her choice. Maybe she felt Dylan was going to be safe. I just know myself that I would have been kicking and screaming to stop.

I don't want to see the pictures because that would surely make me lose my lunch but is their proof and was this given to Dr. Phil? I don't know how he could have addressed this on his show without being sued but then, I don't know.

I keep thinking I have seen everything and then something like this appears and I am shocked ! Shocked.

Skeptical said...

How many ways can you say ewww.

john said...

BostonLady,

Hi,According to one website it was recorded and cut from the show.I forgot to mention this in my previous post.

Link,and statement below.

http://yourandmytruestories.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/missing-dylan-redwine-dylans-mom-on.html

While I make no public judgements on Mr. Redwine's involvement, I am angry that his ex-wife, Elaine, and son Cory--are left holding the bag so to speak. It was Cory who confronted his father on the Dr. Phil show about the pictures. That confrontation was edited out of the Dr. Phil broadcast.

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jen said...

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jen said...

Sorry about that...dont know what caused my post to go thru 3x

jen said...

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Lis said...

I don't even have words for how depraved this is.

I do have a question, or observation, though. If MR took pictures of himself like this, I assume the purpose was to send them to someone. The question is, who? What other depraved individuals is he involved with? Maybe some of his "character witnesses"?

john said...

Hi Lis.

That's a great question..

Sus said...

Does Elain or Cory have these pictures in their possession? Did they ever? I understand that Dylan, and maybe Cory, saw a picture, but it was never in their possession to show Elain.

Dylan then "talked to" Mark about seeing the picture(s) while he was with Mark in September. After the September visit, Dylan did not return Mar's calls or texts. The next time he saw or spoke to Mark was when he got off a plane at Durango at 5:45 pm November 18. Mark says it was more like 6:20. Why is Mark pushing back the timeline?
Why are those 35 minutes important to Mark and what went on through them?

Shortly after 6:20 Dylan texted his friend that he couldn't meet him. Then Dylan is shown in the Walmart tape looking sullen and his body posture displays a defensive stance. He puts a sad face on his text to his mom. I believe Mark and Dylan were already fighting.

Supposedly they then go through the McDonald's drive through. Why hasn't this tape been released? Something about Mark's words on McDonald's are suspicious. Knowing about mark's fetish, ties it in for me. Dylan may have added fuel to the fire when "eating" was mentioned.

I think Mark and Dylan were fighting from the minute Dylan got off that plane. Mark was drinking as usual and has no self control. At 8:05 Dylan texted his friend that he would be there at 6:30 the next morning. The part about calling and calling till he let him in was a desperate plea. I wouldn't doubt that he planned to visit then go on home.

By Mark's own admission he laughed at Dylan's plans. I think this is where Dylan got out of the truck. I'd check in the campground somewhere and I hated hearing Mark speak of up and down, and the rockwall. Mark may have used a rock to beat him.

In the Melissa Blassius interview, Mark talks about being home and says "go" a lot. From this I think he went on home in his drunken state, "paced" awhile waiting for Dylan to come, thought about how he's going to explain a missing Dylan. Then he went back to hide Dylan's body.

Sorry to be so long and graphic. I've been looking at Mark Redwine's words a long time because they bug me. The McDonald's and GO from home is making sense now. That's gross, huh?

Anonymous said...

.... get to the bottom of the issue....lol

S + K Mum said...

I suddenly remembered about Karens analysis on a MR interview regarding McDonalds and eating.....I have snipped it and added it below.....


2) "You know…it wasn’t a whole lotta things that we needed. We went to McDonalds. I wanted to go to a sit-down restaurant. Sit down and talk to him. He wanted to go to McDonalds. He always wants to go to McDonalds. What 13 year old kid doesn’t want to go to McDonalds? You know, wasn’t my first choice. We didn’t even eat it in McDonalds. We got it in the truck and went to the drive-thru and we’re eating it on our way home. So…"
a) Note the lengthy explanation leading up to the point where they went through the drive-thru. Recall that when a subject approaches a dangerous portion of the statement, he/she will slow down. This is done in both verbal and written statements. They do this by adding information outside of telling "what happened". It's like he's putting on the breaks here as he approaches a danger zone. The danger zone is a stressful part of the account and the subject slows down to avoid the stress of it. Here we are given extra details that appear to be needless. "Needless" details are deemed to be "doubly important" to the work of analysis.

b) "it"--he does not include what "it" is. He's trying to imply they got a meal, but he doesn't say it. "it" We cannot assume "it" is a meal. Why is he unable to say what "it" is?


:(

S + K Mum said...

In the above, Mark says 'we got it in the truck and went to the Drive-Thru', that doesn't make sense....it would be 'we went to the Drive Thru and got it in the truck' surely?

I am thinking - who is we? what did they get in the truck before going to McDonalds?

Hobnob said...

I wonder if mark is the giver (the defaecater) or the receiver (the coprophiliac)
Know as scat play it is something Tarely come across.
there is major health risks from such a fetish such as transferance of all sorts of interesting diseases as well as hygiene issues and major bad breath.
I could see it if he was the dom as it debases the sub and would tie in with his history of domestic violence, however, his wearing diapers is reminiscent of adult babies.
Does he wear the diapers to collect and play/eat his own scat.
He come across as confused sexually and given his heavy drinking i wonder if he has resorted to more extreme sex to get his jollies (maybe he could team up with jodie arias)
I cannot see many women flocking to his bed given his sexual preferences, i can see him experimenting with gay sex and transexuals. I also suspect there is more perverted info to come out

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
S + K Mum said...
I suddenly remembered:


2) "You know…it wasn’t a whole lotta things that we needed.

MR also said Walmart was the last place Dylan was seen .

S + K Mum said...

Was Walmart before or after McDonalds according to MR? I can't remember, sorry.

Layla said...

Just so beyond gross!
Hobnob--You're probably right about Mark being sadistic.
I could see hints of that with him placing the dead rodent in Elaine's trunk.
He enjoys terrorizing and degrading--maybe he is masochistic also.
The guy needs a psych profile to figure out what he did to Dylan.

Cheryl Renken said...

This is just plain sickening. Poor Dylan. My heart hurts for you and your family more each passing day. :(

Sus said...

Dylan is on tape at Walmart at 7:05. Mark said they went to McDonald's at about 7:20.

Shelley said...

So am I right that mother and brother knew about this sick fetish of Marks? If so I have to admit I am now asking WHY was this not told to the judge. Or then was it and the Judge didnt care. I would not be surprised these days with some of the awful decisions that some have made with violent criminals.

But someone needs to explain why. Since clearly this was known.

I me husband and I divorced and he was a freak and I was worried about my son, I would use ANYTHING I had to stop a visit. ANYTHING.


So many stories I hear where people "knew" about behaviors or abuse yet here we are learning for the first time with a missing or deceased child.

What is wrong with people. Why are we not protecting our kids. They cant do it themselves.

I have even gone out of my way to protect a neighbor child I knew was abused before.

Yet these poor kids, even relative sit back and do nothing.

Especially this new missing teen girl case. The father said himself he thought she was being molested. That information should have immediatly got her out of that sitution. Either that man was arrested or was 6 feet in the ground. And at the very least, away from your child.

I think there needs to be punishment to the parents that sit back while their child is abused. Its not just the abuser, if you are not protecting your child, you are just as guilty.

It just makes me so dam mad!!!!

JerseyJane said...

John and Liz, I have this neighbor that was getting his CDL (freight). He was teamed up for weeks on end with the same trucker. As time rolled on, this trucker started doing odd behaviors but my neighbor was like, " Nay, can't be." Here one day, they are waiting in a line of trucks that are waiting to dock their trucks and have contents removed, then suddenly in the back compartment of the truck, the trucker is crapping into a plastic bag. Neighbor said there was no need for this for they were within sight of building about a football field away and he could have used the facility. Neighbor figured the trucker was doing this deed for sometime as
he reflected back on the past weeks. Yucky-yuck!! Neighbor got grossed out and chose not to be involved in that world. Take the story for what it is, I am sharing cuz the neighbors words(THAT world!) rang true when this latest of Trucker Mark R. came out! Naturally, not all truckers!!! But I will never forget the neighbor saying 'That World!'

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Hobnob, your post at 5:41 describing the depraved act of eating feces was totally out of line, repugnant and sickening. This is not a class study on the practice of eating feces.

I think if any of us really wanted to know the grimy details and technical terms of eating feces we could research it for ourselves, not post these lurid details on a public forum. Sickening, disgusting.

Why would you do such an appalling thing? For me, it was certainly more info than I ever needed to know. Ewww... WHY?









Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
I trust Kaaryn and Peter's expert SA, AND the two different sets of scent-dogs that hit on the reservoir. I'm afraid the accuracy of SA has a dreadful ending.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, my puter seems to be on the skids. I didn't skip all that space, etc, my puter did it on it's own. Sorry.

Lemon said...

The use of "puter" is putre ;)

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 7:53, when did the two different sets of scent dogs hit on the reservior?

Anonymous said...

Thank you Lemon. I stand corrected. Have at it as you will.

However, in MY world computer = 'puter. You did seem to understand what I meant, right? Think I'll pass on your critiquing of how I use my words, but thank you just the same.

Jen said...

This info about him wearing adult diapers and such calls to mind his repeated references to his ex-wife Elaine as 'MOM' and the striking resemblance between his ex-GF (his only 'supporter') and the mail carrier (the only one backing his story of Dylan being alive the next day). I would love to see a picture of MR's mother to compare.

MR seems to have some deep 'mommy' issues and is obsessed with degrading Elaine and her role as 'mom' to the boys, challenging her bond, her character, her dedication to career, her sobriety, her 'criminal' associates, accuses her of kidnapping Dylan, making an environment that wasn't conducive to a relationship with him, etc. He had NOTHING good to say about her parenting, while he's eating his own poop! Talk about a twisted and delusional sense of reality!

I think THIS ISSUE about the pictures is what MR was attempting to sit down and discuss with Dylan, who had refused contact with him since confronting him on his last visit. Understandably Dylan didn't want to hear any explanation, and probably couldn't stomach the idea of sitting across from his Dad and watching him EAT anything after seeing those pics. Dylan may have expressed that, or general disgust when MR tried to bring the topic up and a fight erupted which quickly escalated, as MR realized Dylan was over him and didn't want to be there at all...having made plans to visit friends the very night of his arrival. MR's perversion sheds light on what may have happened to Dylan, especially since Mark knew that Dylan was aware of his sick fetish. Talk about throwing gas on an already volatile situation!

Jen said...

This info about him wearing adult diapers and such calls to mind his repeated references to his ex-wife Elaine as 'MOM' and the striking resemblance between his ex-GF (his only 'supporter') and the mail carrier (the only one backing his story of Dylan being alive the next day). I would love to see a picture of MR's mother to compare.

MR seems to have some deep 'mommy' issues and is obsessed with degrading Elaine and her role as 'mom' to the boys, challenging her bond, her character, her dedication to career, her sobriety, her 'criminal' associates, accuses her of kidnapping Dylan, making an environment that wasn't conducive to a relationship with him, etc. He had NOTHING good to say about her parenting, while he's eating his own poop! Talk about a twisted and delusional sense of reality!

I think THIS ISSUE about the pictures is what MR was attempting to sit down and discuss with Dylan, who had refused contact with him since confronting him on his last visit. Understandably Dylan didn't want to hear any explanation, and probably couldn't stomach the idea of sitting across from his Dad and watching him EAT anything after seeing those pics. Dylan may have expressed that, or general disgust when MR tried to bring the topic up and a fight erupted which quickly escalated, as MR realized Dylan was over him and didn't want to be there at all...having made plans to visit friends the very night of his arrival. MR's perversion sheds light on what may have happened to Dylan, especially since Mark knew that Dylan was aware of his sick fetish. Talk about throwing gas on an already volatile situation!

Lulu said...

Those of you criticizing Elaine for not mentioning Mark's extracurricular activities to the judge are tools. Anyway, I have yet to hear of a judge in a custody dispute who doesn't believe that both parents should be in the kid's life - providing neither has ever harmed him/her. If a parent has depression, is bipolar, etc that doesn't automatically mean they will harm their child.
PS Mark posted these on one of the freak websites...they are find-able.

Lulu said...

The week after Dulan went missing, two separate cadaver dogs hit on the same area on the lake.
A few weeks ago, another set of cadaver dogs hit on the same area. They cut holes in the ice to do so. The family is working to get another dive team in as soon as the ice breaks up.

~ABC said...

When I heard this brought out last night on Websleuths I wondered if Elaine knew or if the kids had kept it quiet and Cory told her after Dylan went missing. If Elaine knew this I understand now why it seemed she was holding something back.

JerseyJane said...

Yup, Jen and ABC!!!!
Excellent on organizing and piecing together!!!!
WoW!! :-)

dadgum said...

..can't we all just get along?..

Red Ryder said...

Anonymous 7:50. While I can understand how repulsive MR's practices are, I take exception to your comment to Hobnob. I thought she presented relevant material in a factual, informative manner. This is not an area I am familiar with and was not going to look into on my own so I appreciate her post. You are free to skip and scroll if you don't like what you are reading but your censorship ends there.
Hobs, thanks for that, this is something I was vaguely aware of but didn't know there proper terminology nor the reasons a person would be attracted to this behavior.
This whole thing about mommy issues and calling Elaine Mom is starting to click into place.
I see Dylan's face everyday at the store on the Missing poster. I pray for Elaine and Cory and Dylan....so sad and so senseless:(

Layla said...

I agree I didnt find Hobnob's post offensive. I'd rather know the reason why someone eats their own poop. It's the eating the poop part that is appalling not Hobnob giving facts.

Skeptical said...

If I recall my history properly, Adolph Hitler had similar perversions.

~ABC said...

Agreed Red Ryder and Layla! And having the technical terms made googling a lot easier! :)

Thanks Hobnob for doing the ~dirty work.~ ouuuuu I'm sorry

Lemon said...

~ gets out hand sanitizer ~

equinox said...

Anonymous at 7:50 may have tried to censor Hobnob, but he/she also clearly displayed the problem that coprophillia creates in our minds. It is so horrifyingly perverse to us that even someone speaking eruditely about it causes revulsion. It is this same experience of revulsion, ironically that has been mistakenly paired with erotic sensations and has created the perversion in the first place.

A coprophilliac, at a sensitive age, may have secretively witnessed his mother, or another woman naked for the first time while she was on the toilet. He may once have soiled himself with fear after being punished for masturbation. I will spare you more troubling pairings, but there are many. These imbalanced associations of strong sensual impressions with strong emotional conditions can brand a perversion into a young mind at an early age. That we find the pairing of feces with sexual excitement so revolting generally adds to the emotional sensitivity of the issue for the "afflicted." It's disgusting to us because the pairing is the opposite of sexually arousing to us, the un-afflicted.

I must add the lists of which in the medical journals until very recently included group, anal and oral sex, vibrators, dildoes, homosexuality and a whole slew of behaviors we all now generally consider mainstream as carrying the label of perversion. Perversions aren't crimes. They are, for the most part, perfectly legal, and I don't believe a judge can use one definitively to prohibit parental contact. Elaine's attorney may have warned her not to try and use this evidence against Mark.

What is most of concern is that most perverts keep their perversions secret for two reasons, one to preserve their power to excite, and two to prevent contact with people who are revolted. To have been exposed by his son, perhaps reviled by his son, could well have been a breaking point. It would certainly make for a powerful line of questioning to see how he responds to being interrogated about his apparent perversion.

~ABC said...

Equinox said, "Elaine's attorney may have warned her not to try and use this evidence against Mark."

Great post Equinox. And you raise a point that has been on my mind. I would think that most people would be repulsed by such a fetish. And even if her attorney did advise her not to bring it out, I still keep thinking about her saying she had no reason to be concerned about Dylan visiting his father. Either she is not repulsed or she was/is repulsed and that knowledge is weighing heavily on her mind and part of why she is sending out a guarded vibe. I am not criticizing her. I'm just saying I and others have sensed something feeling not quite right from her. Either way my heart still breaks for her and Dylan!

Shayna said...

Agreed and well put. I didn't know about the topic, however disgusting, and Hobnob enlightened me. Not offensive in my opinion either.

Jen said...

Elaine gives an explanation on the web sleuths recording for why she did not bring up the fetish, or the boys finding the pictures to the judge. She basically says that the boys were very hurt and upset by the pictures, that it was traumatic (paraphrased) and that she didnt want the issue to have to be addressed in court. I understand wanting to spare Dylan having to rehash this issue with a judge (stranger), as disgusting as it is. Along with the worry that Mark may seek 'revenge' by sabotaging her job, reigniting their legal battles or worse.

As far Elaine using this info to 'win' the custody battle, Elaine claims their divorce battle was centered mainly on assets, and only became about custody/visitation once she was awarded the right to move away with the boys (mark lost his support payments, and tried to win more time to get it back). She said she's now concerned Mark's depravity/drinking has spiraled out of control, but she seemed to believe (before Dylan went missing) that Mark was vindictive over custody due to the money issue, so she may not have seen MR as a DANGER to Dylan (despite his perversion) until it was too late. (plus-without having the pictures to show in court, MR would just claim she was lying and making Dylan lie, so who knows how much effect this info would have had, considering the likely retaliation she would face)

I don't know what I would have done...if it was ME relaying the info to the judge, I likely would have brought it up and asked for a mental evaluation before more visits. But, if my young teen had to do the talking since HE found the pics, I may be more conflicted about pressing the issue.

Layla said...

Jen--You brought up something I have wondered about. Elaine and Mark originally had "joint custody" which is shared custody 50/50. I actually know a guy in New Mexico who is in this situation--and neither parent can move out of state and neither pays the other child support. This is how it works in MA also, but I happen to know someone in New Mexico--it is the same there.
So, I don't understand why Elaine would have had to pay him child support or how she would have been given permission to move out of state with the kids, as neither of these things fit with joint custody arrangement. I am befuddled.

Sus said...

Layla,
They had shared custody, though Elain said that Mark rarely exercised his parental rights. He showed little interest in being with is sons.

Mark did show interest, however, in the assets. He took Elain to court numerous times over property and child support matters. Since Elain makes more than Mark, and the had shared custody, Elain paid Mark Support...even though the boys were rarely with him.

Elain has said to break off from Mark, she just paid the support. She also gave up a joint home without a fight.

Then Elain got a new job and moved in with her fiance about 4 hours away. The judge allowed this. It is still in Colorado. It did necessitate a change in the custody agreement. Elain now has primary custody of Dylan. Of course, Cory is no longer a minor. And not only did Elain stop paying support to Mark...he has to pay her.

I hope that helps.

toonces said...

Here is what I think happened, given this new information.
Dylan wanted to go to McDonald's, to minimize time spent directly with his Dad. MR probably says something to the effect of, "C'mon son, I don't want to eat that
Crap for dinner." Then, because the photos were prominently on Dylan's mind, he said something like,
"Why not, you don't mind eating Crap."
And that's what set MR off.

~ABC said...

Hi Jen

I understand her explanation as to why she didn't bring the fetish up or try to use it in court. I am speaking now after the fact and trying to stand in Elaine's shoes. She said she had no reason to be concerned. If that is true and she was aware of MR's fetish then she must have been accepting of it. Now after the fact I imagine she has to be second-guessing her position.

Layla said...

Sus--Thank you! That helps a lot!

~ABC said...

Sus said "Elain has said to break off from Mark, she just paid the support. She also gave up a joint home without a fight."
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I can understand wanting to just be done with something so much that you are willing to make any concession to do so. But there is a limit to that imo and when someone goes to what seems like extreme concessions it's usually because there is a secret somewhere they don't want exposed. It seems that ER made such concessions and proceeded to get as far away from MR as possible. I wonder if she knew about this perversion before she divorced him.

Sus said...

Or ABC, Elain was married to a narcissistic abuser that she simply couldn't win against. The best means is to get out of the game.

~ABC said...

Hi Sus

That's another possibility for certain, but I don't believe I've heard ER say anything about him being abusive to her. And if he was abusive to her surely that alone would have been enough to cause her to have at least some concern about Dylan visiting. I'm just stuck on her saying she had "no reason to be concerned." I cannot get that out of my mind.

Anonymous said...

This is admittedly likely irrelevant but it crossed my mind a couple times since Dylan vanished - Dylan, at age 13 & seemingly just beginning puberty, would be in the target range of some pedophiles. How much of a stretch it would be to cross multiple extremes in the realm of sexual deviance...? That is a question, not rhetorical.

Jen said...

Hi Sus and ABC

Elaine said Mark was controlling so that's a form of abuse.. but not one she may have seen as dangerous to the kids (it is very dangerous, narcissists react strongly when THEIR reality is challenged). Elaine also said that Mark views everything as a game, which is a side effect of seeing himself as more clever than others, and always needing to be one step ahead. That's why I'm on the same page as you Sus. When you are up against someone like MR, engaging in any form of conflict with them feeds their love of drama and control. Even if they only get to make you miserable by their antics, they will spend time, money and even damage their own well-being in order to feel like they have the upper hand.

To ABC- I share your concern over Elaine's statement that she ' had no reason to worry'. I see it like this.. noting that she states what she 'didn't' feel, (worry) which is sensitive. She is not saying, 'I felt that Dylan was safe with Mark', in the affirmative, which would be a stronger statement. I believe she WAS concerned about this, along with much of Mark's behavior..but now that Dylan is missing, she repeats this to convince HERSELF that she could not have predicted this would happen. Especially, since she has revealed that she was concerned over the pics, and Mark in general.. but thought that Dylan would go for the visit and return home as he always had before. It makes me think about what Peter has said before, that mothers from abusive situations have to tell themselves their kids will be safe in order to function.

Anonymous said...

Elaine was direlect in every way in not having an attorney advising and representing her in the custody/visitation battles against Marc, as well as for Dylan's future safety and protection; already knowing Marc was/is evil under the influence of alcohol and a strong persona to reason with. (Assuming she didn't have one since I haven't seen one mentioned).

An attorney would have exposed Mark's deviate disgusting filthy feces habits as well as every other abuse he caused in that family. Had the judge still made the same decision, an atty could have filed an immediate appeal and kept the case tied up indefinitely, affording Dylan at least SOME protection for a while.

It is very difficult for anyone to win in family court without an attorney who knows all the ropes. Also, she could have had Child Protective Services going to bat for Dylan had she tried to work with them, had she called them; with, and under the cooperation of her attorney.

WHY do these people who DON'T know the ropes play lawyer who are too close to the situation to rationally represent themselves OR their children? In child cases like this the stakes are too high to run that risk. Yes, attys are expensive, but the child's safety AND life is worth every penny of it no matter what the parent has to sacrifice to protect that child.

Midnight Lurker.

jen said...

Elaine had an attorney...it was discussed on the Dr Phil show. So did Mark who he clains to have met with the morning after Dylan arrived.

Anonymous said...

No, not sure she did. Don't think so. I think she said she called her divorce attorney AFTERWards. But, I'm just repeating heresay.

Midnight Lurker

~ABC said...

Hi Jen

Yes, and so her statement of this after the fact are more to soothe herself. She did have reasons to be concerned, but as many do ignored them and hoped for the best. I do believe this fetish situation is at the heart of why she seemed inconsistent in some of her statements. When I questioned ER's responses some people went all up in arms thinking I was blaming her, no, I was doing what we do, questioning. At no point have I felt she had anything at all to do with Dylan's disappearance, but I did see sensitivities.

Anonymous said...

A lot of people have criticized that the judge "should have been told" ... but you don't know that the judge wasn't told. If Dylan was willing to reveal to his father that he'd seen the pictures, he may have been willing to reveal (in chambers) to the judge. And his mother may have allowed him to bring this up in chambers versus in public court for privacy reasons. Furthermore, I can assure you from personal experience that judges are careful not to "pass judgment" on "adult preferences" unless it is proven that these preferences include directly abusing the child. At worst, we only know that Mark, quite by accident apparently, allowed questionable pictures to fall into the hands of a minor. There may be much more that he's done and the children never broke their silence about it, but a judge is required to make a ruling based on facts as presented.

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