Saturday, April 27, 2013

Billie Dunn Takes To Facebook


Already, the Person of Interest and mother in the case of Hailey Dunn is publicly making statements.  This is not something her attorney will approve of, but as we have seen the past 28 months, it is something that she has done consistently and has brought greater light to the case. 

We expect kidnapping and murder charges to be levied against Billie Dunn and Shawn Adkins. 

BillieJean Ostrander This is my daughter,my baby & somebody stole & murdered her!
6 minutes ago via mobile

BillieJean Ostrander    I can't even go get her. I just want to go be with her,I haven't known where she is for 30 months now. I'm ready to go get her. I want her now.

2 minutes ago via mobile

Please note the mother of a missing child would know the exact days and hours in which her child was missing.  It was not 30 months. 

Please note that it is expected that the mother of a missing child would likely perseverate about the last words mother and child spoke to each other.  

Always flag the word "with" when it is between people as it shows distance. 
Note pronouns:  "her, her, she, her, her."  No name used. 

Note the need to say "I haven't know where she is for 30 months now"; this statement appears to answer an allegation.  One might wonder what caused her to add this to the statement. 


I have received such a great out pouring of love & condolences,so much so that I couldn't name you all individually. Thank you to everyone who held hope up until we couldn't any longer. My hope has ended,but now closure can begin for me,my beautiful son & husband,all our family & friends. My baby has been found. Now to get her home where she belongs & get her justice. Today I learned my daughter has been murdered. Robbed of her short,innocent life. I'm just so grief stricken,but on the other hand,I can take some comfort knowing my baby is safe & happy.

Note the use of the pronoun "I" and the focus of the statement. 
Note that searchers are not thanked.
Note that Curtis Lloyd is not thanked, 

Note that the mother thanks only those who "held hope"; that is, believed Hailey to be alive. 

Note the order indicating priority:  
1.  "me,
2.  my beautiful son & 
3.husband, 
4.all our family & 
5.friends, 

Note that she lists herself first. 


Note that the name, "Hailey" is missing from both statements. 

Note the need to say that "today" she learned her daughter has been "murdered";  in context, there has been no release on the cause of death.  It is not known if she had been murdered.  One might question if she knew of "murder" on a day before "today"

Note the sensitivity connected with being "just so grief stricken" one might consider this a need to persuade the audience of grief.   Yet, note that "but" will minimize or refute that which came before it;

Note that her "baby" (risk) is "safe & happy" which gives her "some" comfort.  One should question if Hailey was not "safe and happy" while in her care. 

Note she uses "husband"

Note the words used for "Hailey":

"baby, her, her, daughter, her"

Note the focus of the post is heavy with "I"

160 comments:

Lorraine said...

It seems that the statements made by Billie always have a manipulative aspect to them. Lying is in her nature. This is a very dangerous person.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget:

She had David Dunn at the top of her banner with Hailey below

She's using a different last name than Hailey's which distances herself completely from Hailey: the casual viewer of her page would not know she was related to Hailey, let alone her mother; using her maiden last name indicates to me Billie considers herself and gratefully so "free" of motherhood and marriage, and

The one picture of her and Hailey together: one side of Hailey's face is a bit obscured by Billie's while Billie's face is prominent and in full

The colour schematic of her new Hailey banner resembles the colour schematic of the location where Hailey was found

The picture of Shawn's banner resembles the location where Hailey was found

Fern said...

I, too, wondered why Billie would drop the "murdered" bomb. Discovered/recovered/identified remains will unlikely reveal cause/manner of death. However, if true that the word "suspect" or "suspects" was uttered at the presser by LE, foul play is certainly implied.

OT: Any word from Shawn, David and/or Clint?

christy said...

"Husband"?

Nic said...

,b.Note the need to say "I haven't know where she is for 30 months now"; this statement appears to answer an allegation. ,/b.

This was basically a 747 flying over my head. Brilliant.

Vita said...

Press 4/26/2013
Young says the family has learned no new details about the investigation beyond the identification. ( No details)

The Dunn family lawyer, John Young, has spoken with CBS7 and confirmed the remains found in Scurry County are Hailey Dunn.

Shortly after 2:00pm the Texas Rangers notified Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, that the remains found in Scurry County belong to her daughter.

"We've always known that this day might come, but she had hoped for the best," he told CBS7's Matt Rist via the telephone. "She is trying to process the information. She's gathering with family from Central Texas and making travel arrangements to return to West Texas. I expect she'll be back in either Snyder or Colorado City."

He continued to say the loss of a loved one is always difficult, of course, but maybe a little more so when we hope for the return of a child for so long, and to get the news that hope his vanquished is difficult.

Young says the family has learned no new details about the investigation beyond the identification. He did say the family will fully cooperate with authorities on the investigation after Hailey is laid to rest.

The Odessa American is reporting that the Dunn family lawyer, John Young, is confirming remains found are that of missing Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn.

"He’s telling me that Billie Dunn is devastated and that a person can’t ever be ready for the information that their child has died," said Celinda Hawkins, city editor at The Odessa American, who spoke with Young. No details were given about when the family was informed of the identification of the body.

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=44157
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John Young interviewed by phone, Audio. His words ironically are of the same verbage of Billie's facebook post. Who's words are of who? she heard his words via the press and then wrote her written?

VIDEO/Audio:http://www.cbs7kosa.com/video/index.asp?vid=17420

Every presser has said there has been no information said, nothing has been released, as this is a ongoing investigation. No cause of death has been determined. Who then informed Billie that she states she learned yesterday - my daughter " has been" Murdered.
Not " was" - she is leaking her marbles.

Was Hailey Alive when she was removed from the house of Chestnut? to be killed elsewhere?
Or her " has been" equates her knowledge, as she was present, when Hailey was murdered. Her written solicits her own self, as she killed Hailey herself.

If she had written: Today I learned Hailey, my daughter, was Murdered, it would change to empathic, as in shock, and dismay.

BJD: Today I learned my daughter has been murdered.

Anonymous said...

Even in death, Hailey isn't the priority. This fact doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is the fact she went straight to Facebook when the information she already knew was confirmed by LE. Rest in Peace sweet Hailey. It's time for my Justice For Hailey t shirt to come out of the closet.
Dawn

Nic said...

m just so grief stricken,but on the other hand,I can take some comfort knowing my baby is safe & happy.

but, on the other hand, - not one, but two refutes

What strikes me about her "public address" is that it sounds like an acceptance speech. It also sounds like she is closing a chapter and looking toward the horizon and new beginnings. [It's} finally "over" (as per when she has rhetorically asked, when is [it] "finally" going to end and now all the "uncomfortableness" can cease.

"some" weakens comfort.

"safe" and "happy" are not two words I would expect when referring to death.

No more paint. Or "at peace" are words I would expect.

Safe and happy in death imply that she was the opposite in life. We know vulnerable and scared is what Hailey felt before she was killed.

Her "gracious" speech is imo, a reflection her non-existent soul and it antagonizes the hell out of me.

Hobnob said...

i sent her a message on facebook, she still hasn't replied. I was expecting either insult, threat, denial to my missive instead i get ignored. Still, as an analyst by not answering the question she has answered my question :)

This is what i asked her

It seems shawn is fixing to throw you under the bus to get the DP off the table, how do you speak to this?

Nic said...

*No more pain

Sorry. Multi-tasking makes for crappy typing.

Anonymous said...


BillieJean Ostrander    I can't even go get her. I just want to go be with her,I haven't known where she is for 30 months now. I'm ready to go get her. I want her now.
2 minutes ago via mobile


Seems like an odd statement to me. I'm ready to go get her, soooooo it took over 2 years and someone else finding Haiey for her to be "ready" to go get her, after there is nothing left of her but bones. She wouldn't have to be "ready" if she had not killed her. She can't be "with her" as Hailey is no longer with us, after killing her and lying, all her loved ones can do now is lay her to rest.

Hobnob said...

off topic

Publicist Max Clifford has been charged with 11 alleged indecent assaults, including one against a girl of 14, the CPS has said.

Clifford stands accused of sexually assaulting seven separate women.

The first, the girl of 14, was allegedly abused in 1966.

A further three females, aged between 15 and 18, allegedly suffered five offences between 1974 and 1978.

Clifford is also accused of assaulting another three females, aged between 16 and 19, between 1981 and 1985.

He has strenuously denied the allegations and said he is living in a "24/7 nightmare."

Clifford's initial arrest in December 2012 was carried out as part of Operation Yewtree, which was set up to investigate allegations of sex abuse carried out by Jimmy Savile.

There is no suggestion that his alleged offences are connected with Savile's.

Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for CPS London, said in a statement: "We have carefully considered the evidence gathered as part of Operation Yewtree in relation to Max Clifford, who was initially arrested on 6 December 2012 over allegations of sexual offences.

"Having completed our review, we have concluded that there is sufficient evidence and it is in the public interest for Mr Clifford to be charged with 11 offences of indecent assault relating to seven complainants."

"Mr Clifford will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 28 May 2013.

"We have also decided that there is insufficient evidence to authorise charges in relation to three separate allegations.

"These decisions were taken in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors and our guidance for prosecutors on sexual offences.

"May I remind all concerned that Mr Clifford has a right to a fair trial. It is very important that nothing is said, or reported, which could prejudice that trial. For these reasons it would be inappropriate for me to comment further."

Indecent assault is an offence contrary to Section 14 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956. It is punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment upon conviction in the Crown Court.

Clifford said in response to CPS's decision: "The allegations in respect of which I have been charged are completely false and I have made this clear to the police during many, many hours of interviews.

"Nevertheless a decision has been taken to charge me with 11 offences involving seven women, the most recent of which is 28 years ago and the oldest 47 years ago.

"I have never indecently assaulted anyone in my life and this will become clear during the course of the proceedings.

"I am naturally disappointed about today's decision, particularly because of the distress it has caused my wife, Jo, my daughter, Louise, and all those close to me.

"However, at least I will now be in a position to fully consider all the evidence against me and to answer the evidence in public and ultimately clear my name in a court of law.

"Since last December I have been living a 24/7 nightmare. A black cloud has been placed over me, obliterating the bright blue skies that I have been fortunate to live my life under for the vast majority of the past 70 years.

"Fortunately I have and continue to receive wonderful support and understanding from those who knew me, those who know me, as well as people I meet everywhere I go.

"This has made this nightmare so much easier to cope with and I am extremely grateful for this as you can imagine."

Elizabeth said...

"Young says the family has learned no new details about the investigation beyond the identification. He did say the family will fully cooperate with authorities on the investigation after Hailey is laid to rest."

Why are they only cooperating after Hailey is laid to rest? Do they plan on being uncooperative until that point? Are they hoping, with ignorance on how forensic evidence is collected, that the sooner she is laid to rest the less evidence can be uncovered?

veruca said...

Hobs....you know youre awesome, right?

Hobnob said...

Off the top of my head, I noticed immediately no reliable denial, the order of evidence and clearing his name public first then court of law. so he will use his skills in PR to taint the jury pool, insult the victims etc before he ever steps in court, the minimisation of his reaction . he is only disappointed rather than the expected furious or angry at the charges especially since there were under age victims which makes him a paedophile. If he were innocent of such charges i would expect a lot more emotion that disappointed. Disappointed is when you lose at monopoly or run out of milk, not, being charged with rape of a child.

I do wonder, given his claim of support from those who knew and know him and people he meets, how many will come out and actively support him.
He has a lot of dirty laundry on a lot of people, will he call in some favors? will he conclude if he is going down i am taking you lot with me, will he use the info he has as a bargaining chip to minimise any charges or sentence?
I ask this as he has told us he will answer the evidence in public, this smacks of a threat, support me or else.

Anonymous said...

When you think about Bilie's statements they are all sick sick sick, AND disgusting. The woman has no conscience. Whatever comes across her brain-dead mind on the spur of the moment to make herself look good (she thinks) is what she says. Doesn't have to make sense.

"I'm ready to get get her. I want her now". What does she think she would be getting that she could be "with"? A little pile of broken and scavaged bones; THIS is what she wants to be "with"? She wants to be WITH HER? To do what, sleep with, hold a pile of rotted bones close to her breast? The woman is bat-shyt crazy. Anon 1

john said...

Since last December I have been living a 24/7 nightmare. A black cloud has been placed over me, obliterating the bright blue skies that I have been fortunate to live my life under for the vast majority of the past 70 years.

Cue the music and the credits,this sounds to me, like the opening narative of a movie.Not like someone who is being charged with child abuse...

Anonymous said...

I see Billie is here in disguise. We aren't stupid and neither is the LAW. They see through you. Well Billie, enjoy your freedom while you can.

Anonymous said...

While the rest of the country searched for Hailey, cried for that child and mourned her loss after so long Hailey, the murders threw her out like they do the trash. They allowed animals to eat her body and spread her bones. Justice is coming.

Anonymous said...

That's right Billie, ACT like you care after all this time. Turn on the tears if you can now, they will be for yourself NOT Hailey. YOU never cried once when you said she was missing, we all the wiping of the fake tears with a tissue. You might have a few fooled but most of us know the truth and we are not buying this grieving loving Mother act!

Vita said...

My hope has ended, (game over)
but now (Hailey's fault)
closure can begin (prison)
for me, (never imagined this)
my beautiful son (David)
& husband, (David)
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David has been " Billie's Husband, Male (mentally) molded for her own purposes" all his life. Women (some) who are spouse-less, and or even married in misery, put their SON in the Husband " slot" the boundaries are lost. Most to a mild degree, which is short lived once Son has a girlfriend, no harm, no foul. Mother's objective, end result She wants him HAPPY.

Other relationships to be extreme, to be of endangerment, Mamma's Boy to the 10th degree: Norman Bates
As was commented here " photo of Billie in dress"

She in the April 21st BTR show said she and David are together 24/7 and are inseparable. Her choice of word: inseparable

Robbed of her short, (height)
innocent life (opposed to her bad, blamable, corrupt once life?)

I'm just so grief stricken,
but on the other hand, what is the opposite of " death grief" it is LIFE

I can take some comfort
knowing (her secret) my baby is safe & happy

Today I learned my daughter has been murdered. Robbed of her short,innocent life. I'm just so grief stricken,but on the other hand,I can take some comfort knowing my baby is safe & happy.

Billie is 35, will be 36, May 5th, she is of her fertile years. Not implying David could be or is, it is her own words said, my Beautiful Son & Husband are the same person. There is all the found of illicit, Porn, that is the normal of her " HOBBIES"

This to be avidly put out, for all to view? desensitizing David in his early years - that is all the same. No differentiation between Porn/sex/love. The said that Porn was traded on David's Xbox, via Limewire. The Xbox to have Billie's priority over David's own safety in the 911 calls - of Adkins going into her house unannounced to claim his T-shirt.

Someone posted here a quote of Adkins, he to have said he was aware and witnessed that Billie's brother, Del is a Pedo, and it is known in CC, and that he Adkins witnessed Del and his first cousin, having sex that he called her family inbreds.
Truth or no?
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My baby is " safe and happy"
Is Billie Pregnant? I am not being facetious - it is her own said.

but on the other hand,I can take some comfort knowing my baby is safe & happy. Hailey is My Daughter, she changes to MY Baby - on the other hand, ...two different individuals?
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The photo of Billie in the dress, her now more natural hair color, she made under, toned down, many made comments, she looked clean as in drug free, healthier... pregnancy again to enter? as a possible?

She to think if she is pregnant leniency comes with it?

S + K Mum said...

BJD says she is ready now to go get her daughter......she's had 28 months to do that, she's been forced into it! 'Husband' yet she doesn't call herself 'Dunn' on her facebook - so pathetic, trying to sound like they are together in this. I hope Clint Dunn doesn't give her the time of day.


Anonymous said...

"Robbed of her short,innocent life."

She was robbed of a "long" life.

john said...

Vita great post,you may have something there with the pregnancy thing..

Katie said...
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Katie said...

"Today I learned my daughter has been murdered." Shouldn't that be the first priority in her statement or right up there? Or killed or is deceased, if she really did not know how she died? How can that be so low on the list?

Today is the 27th, the exact day 28 months ago that Billie and Shawn said Hailey walked out the door to stop by her father's and go stay overnight with her little friend.

Anonymous said...

"Haven't known where she is for 30 months"

I have always believed that Shawn hid Hailey's body and Billie didnt know where. The word "is" instead of using "was" confirms that for me.

stop_playing_dumb said...

Yes, I agree David is her little "husband" she is referring to, not her ex Clint. I find it disturbing.

Longing for Justice said...

28 months to the day and hour from when BD prepared their Christmas dinner at 2pm on Sunday, December 26, 2010 to April 26, 2013, when she received confirmation the remains belonged to Hailey.

To a "grief stricken" mother, there is no other hand, no sense of comfort, none whatsoever.

Lis said...

Great points brought out from these short statements, Peter.

She tries to say what would be expected yet misses the mark and reveals more each time.

"Thank you to everyone who held hope up until we couldn't any longer. My hope has ended"

-Maybe she means her hope that Hailey would never be found and she could keep on with her life as though nothing had happened has ended.

Any statements from Shawn?

Baxtie said...

According to my date calculator, Hailey was missing 2 years, 4 months, 16 days. You are right -- in no way is this "30 months." It's 28.5 months. She rounded up and she used the liar's number (3) to exaggerate her waiting so she would be perceived more piteously. Ugh, I can't stand this excuse for a person.

Question, Peter: Why would Billie and Shawn be charged with kidnapping? I must've missed that scenario in your posts about this case.

Vita said...

Last night, after 8pm Eastern, I checked Vine Link for Texas arrested.

Who did I find?

Del Ostrander, Billie's younger brother. He is said to have been polygraphed, in the affidavits.

He is the one who said of Shawn's statements, he Adkins, to cut up deer with a chainsaw " hunting"

Billie is quoted on more than one occasion, in the BTR shows, her interviewed. That Del failed 2 polygraphs, and passed his 3rd.
" he poly'd within Hailey's missing" her own said.

Del Ostrander reason for arrest: it is unknown, it says: unknown
He arrested in Mitchell County, which is Colorado City.

Date of arrest is not documented.
He was released from Mitchell County Jail on April 25th.

Offender Name: DEL BERTDELANO OSTRANDER
Custody Status: Out of Custody
Date: 03/25/2013
Reason: Unknown
Reporting Agency: MITCHELL COUNTY JAIL

He was picked up for his Marbles?
His known? was wanted by LE ?
Or his arrest is not related ? to Hailey being found?

He in the press as arrested for countless open warrants in the past. Failure to report to court. Drugs/DWI/etc. His bond was in excess of 30k -He in the press, 2011 * linked below*

http://www.ktxs.com/news/Hailey-Dunn-s-Uncle-Faces-Criminal-Charges/-/14769632/14677580/-/497115z/-/index.html

Peter Hyatt said...

Baxtie, you know more than the mother!

They will be charged with many allegations. Kidnapping may be as a result of belief that she may have been taken from the house, against her will, even if to the shed, or to the vehicle.

The amount of charges will include various attendant crimes.

Peter

Shoppergalone said...

Why would Billie assume her baby had been murdered? Not ran away and died from getting lost in the elements. She automatically said murdered. She says so much with her statements.

In one of her statements I remember she referred to herself as being "fixed" so I don't think she is pregnant.

I'm anxious to hear with role her son, David, plays in all this.

Fern said...

As I was Googling "Billie Ostrander" I came upon this...Hailey's myspace page:

My name is Hailey dunn i live in a small town:colorado city . i have 1 brother and his name is david dunn. my mom is billie ostrander and my dads name is clint ...

http://www.myspace.com/cherrychap14

Two things on Hailey's page: If you scroll down, she lists her "Heros" as "my mom and David Dunn." The ages of people automatically update on myspace(David Dunn is listed as 18...his current age). But Hailey is listed as NINETEEN (scroll over the profile picture and her current age appears). Did she falsify her age and want to appear older?

It also appears that Billie went by Ostrander before Hailey went missing.

Nic said...

From a different news article here: http://permianbasin360.com/fulltext?nxd_id=263642


BJD: "If I knew she was in Europe, I would walk and swim to Europe," Hailey's mom Billie Dunn said in May 2011. "I'm not going to look for a body, ever! I will never go and look in fields or creeks for my girl."

Aren't these two quotes from different interviews/times?

Interesting that she wouldn't "fly" to Europe. Instead she would "walk" and "swim".

Note the "water" reference. Can "creek" be treated as a water reference, too?

SA: ""I would never do nothing to that little girl,""

Double negative = positive. The word "that" distances. "Little girl" as opposed to his very big (dominate) stature and "girl" instead of Hailey's name. No reliable denial.

BJD: ""It's just tough to say really, we're in a bad situation,""

Framed" "We're in a bad situation."

We = unity

Yep.

ACH said...

"I can't even go get her".

I think when BJD says this she may be leaking knowledge that maybe she and Shawn had a conversation about the general location of where he dumped Hailey, so as to avoid BJD having knowledge of a precise location. As in " I dumped her where nobody can get to her".

Or maybe that would qualify as an embedded confession as to BJD having knowledge of the general location of Hailey's remains.

ACH

Anonymous said...

Spawns of the devil reside in Texas. I am so sad over this young lady's death. Hailey was the same age as my Granddaughter. I cannot even imagine the pain she endured. RIP sweet baby.

stop_playing_dumb said...

The date of release for Del is March 25th, not April 25th. Still interesting info.

Anonymous said...

I also sent her a message on fb, with no reply. I told her that Hailey wasn't "stolen." And that its so obvious to the world who is responsible. Why does she seem so oblivious to that? No answer, of course.

ecossie possie said...

Hobnob


Hobnob said...
Off the top of my head, I noticed immediately no reliable denial, the order of evidence and clearing his name public first then court of law. so he will use his skills in PR to taint the jury pool, insult the victims etc before he ever steps in court, the minimisation of his reaction . he is only disappointed rather than the expected furious or angry at the charges especially since there were under age victims which makes him a paedophile. If he were innocent of such charges i would expect a lot more emotion that disappointed. Disappointed is when you lose at monopoly or run out of milk, not, being charged with rape of a child.

I do wonder, given his claim of support from those who knew and know him and people he meets, how many will come out and actively support him.
He has a lot of dirty laundry on a lot of people, will he call in some favors? will he conclude if he is going down i am taking you lot with me, will he use the info he has as a bargaining chip to minimise any charges or sentence?
I ask this as he has told us he will answer the evidence in public, this smacks of a threat, support me or else.

He is the ultimite poacher or in his case sexuall predater.
Or more apt a predater not tuned good guy or games keeper.

But a deviant whom used his PR SKILLS AN LINKS TO police.
Rapeists an intimate knowlage of victims he abused.

An how they reacted to his criminal acts to add to his arsenal of weapons to use .

To defend his often celeb clients get out of similar prediciments.
He is an expert because he is also an abusser.

Thats why he is at the to of his trade no one pr guy not only in the UK
But perhaps the word as the FIXER of bad press he whom can make it all go away.

Been there not only bought the T Shirts he designed an printed them.

But now Kharma has served upp the ultimite punishment for his deviousness.

Now he is the accused now he has to try an make this go away an not destroy his reputation/life..

An buy his use of wirds so far it seems a bridge to far .
As you say no reliable denial an almost insinuayes that historical offences belong in History Books an not in current day M S M .
An certainly not in front of a Judge an Jury.
Spin spin spin mr maxwell pr guru you will just make yourself dizzy.

PS Max if you read here there a Gall name of Bille Dean in Texas could use abilty to ....Oh never mind suppose you have enough on your plate.

Anonymous said...

Billie starting leaking marbles from day 1. Marbles leaked that I haven't seen posted in a while.... The car being disposed of
Haileys room being painted
The disposal of Haileys dog
The change of phone number
The move from Haileys home
The fact she hasn't publicly said Haileys name more than a handful of times in 28 months.
She has distanced herself from everyone except David and Shawn. No I do not believe they are broken up but instead trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes again.
It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.
Justice is coming!!
Dawn

~ABC said...

"my beautiful son & husband"

She is calling him both, no pronoun with husband. He is her son and husband.

john said...

From Hobs OT..

"I have NEVER indecently assaulted anyone in my life and THIS will become clear during the course of the proceedings.


Never= does not mean No.

If you are asked, have you ever done xyz,then you can use the word"never"

No i have "never" done xyz.


THIS= is close


THAT=Distancing.


Why would he want to place himself close to the allegations?.

Nic said...

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=44163

Billie Dunn Speaks With CBS 7 Just Weeks Before the Identification 4/26/13

Lauren Lanmon
CBS 7 News
llanmon@cbs7.com
April 26, 2013

COLORADO CITY-Just a few days after the remains were found near Lake J.B. Thomas, CBS 7 had the opportunity to sit down with Hailey Dunn’s mother, Billie Dunn, on how she was coping with the news that the remains could possibly be her daughter's.

"I’m always worried about how I’m going to break the news to my son and my family and how to comfort everybody, but you can't, you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn.

Dunn says since day one, the family has been very close with the FBI always helping in any way possible. Since the disappearance Dunn and her son David have moved to Austin; where she says she now cherishes the quality time she gets to spend with him.

"I’m supposed to have two kids to care for everyday, and now I only have David. There's a big empty space there waiting for Hailey, and I miss her all day everyday." Said Dunn.

And as a message to other parents Dunn says caution is the best form of safety.

"You just got to be careful and even who you bring around them some people maybe you've known for a few years and you think you know them and you don't, its just really scary and you just got to be careful."



"few years"?

Few = more than two. So three?

Years - she knew SA for *months* before moving him in. Not years. Although it has (now) been years since she met him.

"You just got to be careful and even who you bring around them some people maybe you've known for a few years and you think you know them and you don't, its just really scary and you just got to be careful."


Lots of "you" and I'm not referring to sheep.

She is pointing her finger out and away. Distancing. Not accepting responsibility for what she allowed.

and = temporal lacunae

just careful - compared to what? Not being careful.

Careful "bookends" bringing around people "you" don't know.

It's just really scary is presently occuring, as opposed to "it could be really scary" which would be conditional future.

Scary defines having SA around. This in reference to Hailey not being with them anymore and providing a word of "caution" to parents.

Nic said...

Lots of you/finger pointing is shifting the blame. There is no ownership of what happened to Hailey.

stop_playing_dumb said...

How old was Shawnboy when they "met" on "Myspace"? 22 years old? Barely out of high school. Cougar momma out to snatch up a like-minded sexually deviant cub and let him move in even when he threatens her and her kid.

Lori said...

Is it crazy to think BD is being manipulative in mentioning husband. I am not sure of the laws, but maybe she is in a position that even Clint knows something and Clint can't be forced to testify against her?
Just wondering about this.
Also I have never thought the information about the brothers behavior felt right. I hope one of the parties involved speaks up.

Anonymous said...

your lying eyes and mouth will get you every time! counton it BD

Lori said...

Nic said: Lots of you/finger pointing is shifting the blame. There is no ownership of what happened to Hailey

I don't post on here often but I have to say this is a strange post to me. Somebody does own what happened to Hailey. A person ended her life. What a strange post.

MotherofDragons said...

It's bittersweet for me - I had the lingering hope that Hailey may beat the odds and be found alive. This doesn't even come with closure - only more questions. I have many: how? why? when? where? ... I'm pretty clear on the 'what' and 'who'.

My hope still remains for Kyron, Ayla, Sky, Lisa, Haleigh and the many others still lost (...I hate that there are many others...) - all those who have gone missing deserve hope that they'll come back home alive.

About Billie: It's hard to believe that this is a grown woman typing -if I didn't know, I'd assume she was a teenager. An uneducated teenager at that.

Though Billie Jean has always given me the thought that her brain has yet to develop past the '12' stage. Me, me, me, I, me, special snowflake, me, me ... and so on.

Nic said...

Lori said...
Nic said: Lots of you/finger pointing is shifting the blame. There is no ownership of what happened to Hailey

I don't post on here often but I have to say this is a strange post to me. Somebody does own what happened to Hailey. A person ended her life. What a strange post.


My post was in reference to what I was speaking about above it. I was saying that BJD wasn't accepting responsibility for allowing SA, whom she met on My Space, into their lives after only a short while, and then moving him back in after having called 911 and reporting that she was fearful because he had threatened her (and Hailey according to SA).

ecossie possie said...

Any chances of billie dunn ne ostrander ne dunn ne back to ostrander.

And now probablt back to Dunn now there her presious whats her name?
Has been located.

That would Dunn ne Ostrander ne Dunn ne Ostrander ne Dunn.

So not only is she ME ME ME ME

Ditto Ne Ne Ne Ne Ne.

An also for the past 28 mnths she has been HE HE HE HE as to Shawn Adkins being put before her CHILDS wellfare.

An thee pair have been he he he heing laughing
At getting one over.

Billies next plan will be to persude her Son to take the fall
Shawn knows to much info on her.
They have a mutallly assured destruction pact one goes down thet both go down

Billie will have had as a fall back in case Haileys remains were ever found.

You take the blame for mommy otherwise I will git the needle.
An also Shawn will lie on me to make sure a git the needle.

But if you my beloved SON an always my favourate despite what I said before.
If you say you an Hailey got into it over a stupid argument over a turn on the X Box.

There was a pushin an shoveing hair pulling .
An She fell over an cracked her head hard on something.

You paniced Shawn came home seeen Haileys dead body an his eyes were like a deer in the headlights.

Ok I lied to save my Son Id just lost my Daughter an didnt dare risk loseing my only child left

You can work out the rest.
We had to do this blah blah Im only guilty of protecting my son blah blah.

David will have been told of course he wont be punished ect because of his Juvinile status

Probation an B D gets a slap on the wrist for obstruction. ect......

Lori said...

Thanks Nic. It makes sense to me now. Sorry I missed the post above.

Texas.com said...

"I’m always worried about how I’m going to break the news to my son and my family and how to comfort everybody, but you can't, you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn.


So she has ALWAYS worried about how she was going to tell the family that Hailey was deceased??

Admission of guilt in my opinion

REK said...

Pictures that BJ”O” has in her facebook photo albums:

Quote that reads:
“Pleasing everyone is impossible. Infuriating them is easier and far more amusing.”
Quote: “F**k em! They need to talk about you to get attention because if they talk about themselves no one gives a sh**”
Then she has this strange “FBI ID” with what looks like a pic of her on it?

Trigger said...

I hate it when Peter is right on with his statement analysis.

I'm grateful that he blew the covers off of BD's story, but sad that Hailey's death has been confirmed as a murder.

Billie Dunn is a dangerous person, she reminds me of the mindset of Charles Manson. Get others to do the "dirty" work while maintaining control and distance from the crime and any responsibility.

Finally. justice for Hailey!

john said...

Billie Dunn Says in Last NewsWest 9 Interview That Shawn Adkins Had Something to do With Hailey’s Disappearance.

When NewsWest 9 last spoke with Billie Dunn, she had some chilling words about her ex-boyfriend Shawn Adkins.

She confessed that she now believed he may have been involved in Hailey's disappearance.

"For instance, the main thing about him quitting his job and lying about it for a week saying he had a job and then telling me he was fired when, in fact, he wasn't," Billie told NewsWest 9.

Billie says after she ended their relationship, she saw a darker and meaner side to Shawn.

Reflecting back, Billie told NewsWest 9 how strangely Shawn acted those first few days after the disappearance.

She said she found it suspicious that her ex-boyfriend couldn't produce his work uniform when law enforcement requested them.

"The fact that he lied and said they were at work and we already know though video and though his boss that he didn't leave them at work. So, why are they hidden?" Billie said.

We were told Shawn moved back to his mother's house in Big Spring.

Neighbors say Shawn went out-of-state a few months ago for work.

In the meantime, Shawn's parents have received death threats in the mail and over the Internet.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22093978/billie-dunn-says-in-last-newswest-9-interview-that-shawn-adkins-had-something-to-do-with-haileys-disappearance

ecossie possie said...

Of course David is her new favourate person in the universe.
He is the reason she put herself through this ordeal.

To save him an now he will do the loveing son dieing swan act an fall on his sword to save an protect hos mommy.

Trigger said...

Pointhunter, made a good judgement call when he stated that the location of the body was along the path that Shawn takes to drive to work.

He also stated that the bones were female in his eyes.

Thank you, Pointhunter, for all your ability and good sense. You have done what others had been trying to do for over two years.

You found Hailey Dunn.

REK said...

right..all the more reason to dote on david.. if he does know something or even if he suspects something

melvania said...

Posted on Waiting for Justice fb page:
Latest post from BD, she is more worried about the haters than she is about saying HAILEY's name SMDH!
------------------------------------------

God,why does anyone have to plan a memorial service for their baby?! Me & David are a bit conflicted as to what to do,I can't even get ahold of Clint & none of this is fair,none of its normal. I was not prepared,I was so hopeful & I just knew one day we'd be able to prove a lot of hateful ppl wrong when she walked through my door.

REK said...

so in billies eyes the only way to prove hateful people wrong is when she walks through the door...

but what about the circumstance's she's trying to portray now? wouldn't an unknown perp also prove the hateful people wrong? wouldn't a runaway teenager who met her demise also prove people wrong?

so does not she feel she can't prove the hateful people wrong?

valyriew said...

this is what was posted on the hopeforhailey facebook page about 13 hrs ago..

"This Hailey's page has always been about hope, love and kindness. This page is for Hailey and her mom, dad, brother, grandparents, aunts, uncles,cousins and friends. This is not a page to discuss what happened or who did what to sweet Hailey and remarks. It is time for Hailey smiling face to be extra treasured and remembrance and peace and Kindness. If you want to debate or say anything ugly to this family there are other pages out there that will work for you. This is not one of them. Please respect Hailey and her family and pray "

i guess they don't hope the perpetrators are caught and punished....go figure

curiouserandcuriouser said...

Nic said- What strikes me about her "public address" is that it sounds like an acceptance speech. It also sounds like she is closing a chapter and looking toward the horizon and new beginnings. [It's} finally "over" (as per when she has rhetorically asked, when is [it] "finally" going to end and now all the "uncomfortableness" can cease.

Nail-head-hit!

Where's the call for justice from MRS. Billie Jean NOT DUNN to go along with her cries that her baby has been murdered ***(***did she call for this and I missed it?***)***

Even without her cries that her baby was murdered, where are her cries and crusade for finding out what happened to her baby? (No need to answer that, MRS. Billie Jean NOT DUNN, we know the answer, we know why she wants everyone to 'move on along, no looking here, no need to stop and look too hard to find out who 'murdered her baby' or 'stole' her. No, instead she's too busy ready to get GO-ing (remember all the "go's" in her statement last night?) about her life, same as she has these last "30 (sic) months". It's as if this announcement of her baby's remains being found in that 'ugly field' near an 'ugly' ever-drying up lake has been an inconvenience to MRS. Billie Jean NOT DUNN.

Of course, we know it is an inconvenience in many ways; how many weekend parties did it interrupt for MRS (when it's convenient MRS, when it's more convenient Ms.) Billie Jean NOT DUNN this weekend, to have her baby's remains found? Was MRS Billie Jean NOT DUNN on her way to buy illegal drugs when the announcement came like she was shortly after her baby went missing?

Well, it's going to interrupt a lot more if MRS. Billie Jean NOT DUNN, who had New Year's Eve party just days after her baby went missing; who changed her phone number while her baby was missing; who moved to ANOTHER CITY in ANOTHER PART OF TEXAS while her baby was missing; who wouldn't look in 'ugly fields' for her baby; is brought up on charges for snuffing out the life of her beautiful baby that meant less to her than everything else in the world.

~Watching from Bell County Texas~

Post note- I will concede that it is rather illogical to conclude Hailey wandered off and wound up in that 'ugly field' of her own volition and though I can barely stand to imagine my own babies being out there like that, I *can* envision myself saying something similar in her situation. I understand we are dealing with totality of context when we work with Statement Analysis, however, I feel the need to say that when MRS. Billie Jean NOT DUNN says that someone stole/took and murdered her baby, that's a pretty logical conclusion to arrive at given the circumstances.

Do others reading/posting here feel they may make a similar utterance were they in this situation, versus for example, just screaming for law enforcement to find out what happened to her?

Apple said...

Trigger said:
Thank you, Pointhunter, for all your ability and good sense. You have done what others had been trying to do for over two years.

You found Hailey Dunn.

---------

Well said, Trigger.

Anonymous said...

Why no mention of hunting down the murderer and bring him/her to justice?? If my child had been found "murdered" I would absolutely send out a message to the perp, wherever they might be, that now is the time to watch their back because justice and hell is coming!

sella35 said...

I am so confused! Who is her HUSBAND?? It almost reads as if her son David is her husband.... is she still married to Clint? If so wouldn't she say my son David and Clint? Someone clue me in please!!

sella35 said...

I should clarify--- a husband would not have to testify against a spouse, correct? Did she marry SA...so they can not testify against one another, or what other scenario? I am confused for her to mention HUSBAND.

Coughing said...

Lie, lie. If you, like me, were ever once so naive and stupid as to suggest, in a helpless moment of wanting desperately to comfort someone in the face of losing a child (btw, just shut up and listen) have said, 'at least you know your child is safe and happy now,' or something to that effect, right after a death....bless your well meaning soul but NO grieving or 'just so grief stricken' parent wants to hear that. It is not comforting. They don't want their child to be unhappy, but all they do want is their child to be safe, happy and ALIVE. No solace there.

She is horrible. No one would say that. After an approximate, roughly calculated number of weeks give or take a quarter or so of a few years, your child turned up dead and apparently brutally murdered, I bet most of you wouldn't be able to speak.
Her child was 'stolen.' Then her child was property. Humans are kidnapped. Leaf blowers are stolen.
I wonder what will happen to her. The Ramseys walked free, Casey Anthony blogs about the inanities of her life.
Baby Grace got some justice.

Coughing said...

He has never Indecently assaulted anyone. Indecently. That's ok, say no more. We understand that some, in fact your, assaults are decent.

Anonymous said...

Things Billie did that Mother's of missing children never do.

The car being disposed of, right away

Getting rid of the sofa
right away

Having a New Years Party the week after you report your child missing

Hailey's room being painted

The disposal of Hailey's dog
right away

The change of phone number

Getting a 'Memorial tat'

Being given a vehicle and then selling it.

Using donated money to buy a flat screen TV.

The move from Hailey's home
Moving to Austin

I have to wonder if LE knows about this entire list and that's that even all of it.

Coughing said...

Good, John! He's also qualifying the types of assaults he has never done, no indecent assaults. Assaults, ok, but they were wholesome.

john said...

Hi Coughing,

Its poetic justice..

The man is horrible..

Coughing said...

It reminds me of Sandusky's post conviction sentiments. Also, like he is saying, please choke on the amzaing joy I've experienced for 70 years. Bright blue skies? Who describes their lives like that? So a joyous person is not a rapist, and he is filled with technicolor ecstasy.

Coughing said...

She reminds me of Sante and Kenny Kimes...(spelled correctly?)

Chris said...

Billie Jean is the lowest form of scum on this planet! I follow this blog but don't post often and find it very interesting. I have seen all the ca,s the dips and so on but this disgusting mother? has got to be the worst I have ever seen. Thanks Peter for speaking for Hailey,now it's her turn!

Justice for Hailey!

REK said...

she updated her cover photo on facebook, 4 hrs ago to a picture with large words that say "Found" then Rest in peace smaller

something about this just doesn't sit right with me. the statement of "found"

she wasn't found alive. wasn't found like everyone hoped. just doesn't seem normal to shout out that she was "found" but found deceased.

Chris said...

sorry about the typo's but that's just me.


Justice for Hailey!

john said...

Is that all she can say,is "FOUND rest in peace"

Hailey isn't a puppy dog that went missing.

Geeez whats up with that woman!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/billiejean.ostrander

Coughing said...

good catch REK. Also interesting to me is not that she wanted her daughter alive, its just not fair that hateful people are right (surprise).

REK said...

She is so narcissistic and immature. trying to get sympathy.. and sorry but it's pathetic. whining about having a memorial around her birthday..no way to prove the hateful people wrong now... she acknowledges hailey was murdered but never cries out who did it?

Trigger said...

"one should question if Hailey were safe and happy while in her care."

Hailey is deceased, so she was not safe and happy in BD's care.

This is a woman who betrayed her daughter in the most horrible, despicable and deplorable way.

It is hard for me to look at photos of BD and SA, knowing what they are capable of doing to a child.

Trigger said...

I look at those photos of Shawn, dressed like the grim reaper, with all that pornography, and bloodlust hobbies, and I think what a piss poor mother BD is to let a man like that into her home so she can have him in her bed every night.

I can't wrap my brain around people like her because it's so unnatural and evil.

rkg said...

I've posted here as "Anonymous" for a pretty good length of time, but used to be around as rkg. I grew quite skeptical of SA, as I've mentioned, but it appears to me now, that this was because of other posters' misapplication or over-application of it. I'm glad I stuck around.

I appreciate the value of SA, and Hailey's case highlights many of the aspects of SA that I now understand to be immensely useful in tracking down a suspect and holding him/her to their words. With the use of SA, one cannot hide from an ultimate truth, and I believe that it is through their own words that Hailey's killers will be convicted (along with some hardcore physical evidence, which I think LE has, but were waiting on a body and maybe even a confession, so the "Casey Anthony jury-esque" potential jurors in this case can be left with no doubt.

Peter, Heather, Lemon, Hobbs, and all those who have put in hours of careful analysis of the players in Hailey's case: it must hurt sometimes to be right in such a horrible way. No one wishes for a child to be found dead, but for the sake of justice, it's important, and it's everything to those who love that child.

To Clint Dunn (who may or may not ever happen upon this site): My prayer for closure is for you. I do not dare imagine what horror it must be to not know where your daughter is for two years, only to culminate in the ultimate discovery of her body having been in the harsh elements for the entire time. You have problems in your own life, it's true (besides the senseless death of your daughter). I pray for you, that you can honor your beautiful daughter's memory by cleaning up your life and becoming the man you can be. If only Hailey could have known that you were the only of her two parents that LOOKED for her when she was "missing." If only Hailey could have seen the anguish you experienced in not being able to find her. You may have your personal problems, but you love your daughter, and I pray you can use that love to let her memory change you into the person you are capable of becoming. She would be so proud of you for that. I pray you find peace, and can bury your daughter without the interference of her egg donor. You do not deserve to have to bury your child; no parent does. But, when that is all that is left, you deserve to do it in peace, without her killers' interference. Your ultimate gift to your beautiful daughter should be memorializing her with a meaningful life to honor the life she was robbed of. I pray you and your family find peace.

rkg said...

Hmm. It occurs to me that I don't even KNOW Hailey, and I use her name 100% more in one post than her own mother uses in everything she's posted since being informed of her own daughter's death. Interesting...

Randie said...

"Give Haley justice!!!"

This is what so many of us say!

BD said "get her justice"

Give = to yeild

Get = to receive

The word "get" is for BD to "receive" not for her to "yeild"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I drive I "yeild" to others...I give them the right away!

ecossie possie said...

Sella Clint Dunn is her husband.
Or ex husband if they were divorced legally ?who knows or cares.

However Clint is Haileys Bio Father an it suits her Billie not Dunn to use the verbage.

My beutifull Son and Husband so she doesnt have to mention her beutifull ever loveing maniac boyfreind.
Whon she moved into the house after he threatened all there lifes .

Billies Clints an HAILEYS.

The boyfreind whom was allegedly on watch when Hailey done gone an git hersefed stoled an MURDERED.

tHE BOYFREIND SHE KNEW FOR SURE WOULD NEVER HURT Hailey.

And when told Clints Mother Haileys Grandmother not only thought he could hurt her.
But Hailey was terrified of her an in Grandmas Dunns opine Shawn had Raped an Murdered her.

Her response was first time Im hearing about it
How come no ones told me that?

Unfreakinbeleivable I swear you just couldnt make this up.

So thats who the husband is she refferin to Clint Dunn not the murdering dad.

So she can avoid mention of shan adkins her co conspireter an soon to be co accused.


Tick tock tick tock An the granfather clock to big for the shelf.
So it spent 28 months on the floor .
But that clock stopped never to tick again.

When Hailey was found.
An that clock stoppped never to tick again when POINT HUNTER SAW WHAT WAS LAYING IN THE GROUND.

Tick tock tick toc an that clock stopped never to tick again because HAILEY WAS FOUND/

Thats a wee ditty dedicated to billie notdunnnothing
an her partner in crime spawnothediviladkinonorders

ecossie possie said...

Me & David are a bit conflicted as to what to do,I


TRANSLATION....

I will talk this ungratefulll little bastard to lie to save mommys life an from prison.

I will use all Ive got to guilt trip him into takeing the fall for accidently murdering his sister in an argument over the X BOX.

Look Baby they gonnaa kill your mooma an .
Shaw he will say anything to save his skin he is gonna lie on your momma.

There gonna killl me baby boy.
Its easy I laid it all out for you.

You wanted to play your Grand Theft Auto on the X Box but your Sister was playing some lame game that she was shit at.

An gone done got angry right its your X Box after al an your room an all.

An she disreprcting you cussin you.
An you got into it happens every day babyboy.

Brothers an Sisters fight.
It was an accident David you dint meanit .
You aint gonna be in no trouble.

But they gonna give me the needle David if you dont do this for youe momma.

Your gonna be responceable for killin yer own momma.

Anonymous said...

@John

"Geeez whats up with that woman!!!!"

She's reading this blog and taking heed of our criticisms about her facebook page and making adjustments to her page to better present herself as a grieving mother who loved(s) her daughter

Notice she removed David from the Top Front Centre of the banner

Earlier in this entry (second message) I mentioned the colour schematic and design of her banner this morning - the "Heaven" banner - resembled the colour schematic of the location of Hailey's remains

She quickly removed that banner

Because she's reading this blog

ecossie possie said...

COME ON PEOPLE

She told the entire world Hailey was dead on her first stint on N Grace show.

She refrenced Hailey twice in the past tence in about two concurent sentences

Then at a six month memorial too mark Haileys abduction.
Billienotdunnothing said.

Thanks see you all in six months time???.

Anonymous said...

i remember that She was talking about the next memorial, so she knew!

Anonymous said...

Her last two banners are the two pictures Peter most frequently uses as a header to Hailey Dunn entries

By stealing photos from this blog she's admitting she reads this blog

Trigger said...

I am also sorry that Clint Dunn and his family have to think about Hailey's demise and how BD participated in it.

This has to be a misery that is unbearable to him and them.







Trigger said...

"Hailey's page is about hope, love, and kindness."

Too bad that BD didn't give Hailey those things while she was alive.

It took a lot of strangers who showed hope, love, and kindness, for a child who's mother lacked those things.

I hope that SA tells it all to LE so he doesn't bear all the responsibility that rightfully belongs to BD.



~ABC said...

BJD said - "I’m always worried about how I’m going to break the news to my son and my family and how to comfort everybody..."

No mention of husband.

Hobnob said...

Coooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeee, hi billie.

Remember the question i sent you?

By not answering my question you have answered my question.

~ABC said...

BJD said - "I just knew one day we'd be able to prove a lot of hateful ppl wrong when she walked through my door."

THIS was BJD's primary concern. To prove ~hateful~ people wrong. If Hailey walked through the door it would "clear" her name. Please continue Billie... Keep running that lying mouth of yours. The more you say the more you prove you cared nothing for Hailey.

Anonymous said...

rkg said...To Clint Dunn (who may or may not ever happen upon this site): My prayer for closure is for you. I do not dare imagine what horror it must be to not know where your daughter is for two years, only to culminate in the ultimate discovery of her body having been in the harsh elements for the entire time. You have problems in your own life, it's true (besides the senseless death of your daughter). I pray for you, that you can honor your beautiful daughter's memory by cleaning up your life and becoming the man you can be. If only Hailey could have known that you were the only of her two parents that LOOKED for her when she was "missing." If only Hailey could have seen the anguish you experienced in not being able to find her. You may have your personal problems, but you love your daughter, and I pray you can use that love to let her memory change you into the person you are capable of becoming. She would be so proud of you for that. I pray you find peace, and can bury your daughter without the interference of her egg donor. You do not deserve to have to bury your child; no parent does. But, when that is all that is left, you deserve to do it in peace, without her killers' interference. Your ultimate gift to your beautiful daughter should be memorializing her with a meaningful life to honor the life she was robbed of. I pray you and your family find peace.


Clint Dunn was aware Hailey did not like Shawn Adkins...

Local anon said...

In some strange way knowing the remains are Hailey is helping me get over my neighbor hanging herself last Saturday. Closure after following from day 1. Some how it helps. And I thank all of you who helped me through those tough days. So many amazing people Peter and Heather brought together. Jen, huge hugs to you. I hope you and your family are ok.

Anonymous said...

rkg said...@4:56 PM

It's a shame he didn't look out for her while she was alive.

Local anon said...

Yes it is a shame. A shame that her school counselers were the ones looking out for her. Kudos to them. I am sure they are in pain. And point hunter, you must have some awesome kharma to have found her. That had to have been hard to see.

john said...

Hi pointhunter,

i don't understand,what level?

Local anon said...

Point hunter, the puppy dog comment hits home. One of my neighbors, in speaking of the young girl who hung herself across the street last saturday, commented that the father seemed to take no more responsibility than for a litter of puppies for his family. It strucke as true. I do not judge that family, but that struck me as true. I wish them peace. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

john said...

Oh right,great job by the way..

Local anon said...

Good job point hunter leaving her out of it! I hope you ffeel like now that you can say want you want, what you need to in order to let you finding Hailey give peace to to you. Sleep well and live well, you have done something significant in the world, hugely significant.

Peter Hyatt said...

Any parent would have thanked Curtis except a parent who's demise is facilitated by the findings of Hailey's remains.

Hailey.

The name Dunn struggles to say.

Thank you, Curtis, on behalf of us all.

Anonymous said...

Clint Dunn was aware Hailey did not like Shawn Adkins...

Billie Jean Dunn acknowledged Shawn Adkins tried to viciously attack Clint Dunn with a club-like weapon and Clint Dunn nearly killed Shawn Adkins in response. Police were called to the scene but no arrests were made.

I pray Clint Dunn gets his head and heart together and defend and stand up for Hailey in court by testifying against against Billie and Shawn.

pointhunter said...

dahbou said...
Pointhunter,
Is that interview online?

Yes it will be on at 10:00 ktxs-12 on their website

Local anon said...

Thank you for finding Hailey and doing the interview Curtis. I look forward to it

BostonLady said...

BJD said - "I just knew one day we'd be able to prove a lot of hateful ppl wrong when she walked through my door."

****

Why so many changes in pronouns in this one statement? Nothing changed in the statement.

I
we'd
she
my

So Billie new that "we'd" ... who is that? Who is the group of people in her sentence to prove the haters wrong?

And Hailey after 2 years was going to walk thru Billie's door? Not Hailey's home? Why not "our door". Of course Billie didn't say Hailey, I am saying that. Billie used "she" because she can't say Hailey's name.

So, since the hateful people were not proven wrong, does that mean that the people are no longer hateful but right and saw thru Billie and Shawn's lies?

One more thing Billie, why aren't you out there asking who would have done this to your daughter? That would be a normal reaction. Instead, you are bemoaning your conflicts of a memorial for Hailey? Is it, Billie, because you know what happened to Hailey? Is it because you were there?

curiouserandcuriouser said...

BILLIE JEAN NOT DUNN!!!!!!,

What kind of a hellish "mother" or even person!!!! says of their 'baby', whose SKELETONIZED, PARTIAL!!! PARTIAL!!!! REMAINS were found, says, just moments after the disclosure that only BITS AND PIECES!!!!...BITS AND PIECES!!!!, BILLIE JEAN, NOT DUNN!!!! of their 13 year old BABY!!! have been recovered in an abandoned, lonely, isolated and all but forgotten dirty field, that they "take some COMFORT knowing my baby is safe and happy"??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME IN SAYING **THIS**, YOU BLASPHEMOUS SOW??!!


BILLIE JEAN NOT DUNN,!!!!! –
WHY Aren’t YOU SCREAMING for the rest of the PIECES of YOUR BABY to be found? WHY aren’t you SCREAMING for more people like Pointhunter to PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!! GO out and SEARCH ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES IN THOSE ‘UGLY FIELDS’ TO TRY AND BRING THE REST OF YOUR BABY HOME??!!! WHY, BILLIE JEAN, NOT DUNN???!!!! WHY??!!!!

Why are you content that only a small portion of your baby has been returned to you? WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF HER??? WHERE IS THE REST OF YOUR BABY, BILLIE JEAN, NOT DUNN??? DOES THAT MATTER? REALLY? YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF HER TO REST SOUNDLY THAT SHE’S SAFE AND HAPPY? ARE THE MISSING PIECES OF YOUR BABY 'SAFE AND HAPPY'??? WAS SHE 'SAFE AND HAPPY' AS SHE WAS BEING SCAVENGED ACROSS WEST TEXAS BY CRITTERS IN THOSE "UGLY FIELDS"?

BILLIE JEAN, NOT DUNN, YOU DISGUST ME!!!!
WHERE IS THE REST OF HAILEY??!!!!
Was she placed in one spot and animals and nature did what it does or did that sick fool Shawn Adkins treat her like he did deer, with his chain saw? Or were you too weak in the stomach to find out, was that TOO much blood on your hands to know THAT much, Billie Jean NOT DUNN? Or do you HAVE to know that much so you can try and control the filter of information?

Oh, Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, that a house would land on you out in west Texas and you would die a slow, slow death while buzzards and other Texas wild life (coyotes, wild boars, critters, bugs, etc.) pick at your flesh over the course of days, eating at your organs. Even THAT is too good for you, Billie Jean, NOT DUNN and wishing that is disgraceful to Hailey because I bet even still, she wouldn't wish that on you, she would just wish that SOMEONE, ANYONE, had listened to her and taken her away; but with Shawn around, this fate was inevitable, wasn't it?

Will we ever really know the truth of what happened to you, Sweet Hailey?

curiouserandcuriouser said...

I take it that Billie Jean NOT DUNN never once contacted Curtis and tried to find out if this was her baby that had been found?

Curtis, thank you.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

BostonLady said...

BJD said - "I just knew one day we'd be able to prove a lot of hateful ppl wrong when she walked through my door."


WHO CARES what people are saying when your baby is missing???? Prove who wrong about what???

Of course, I know from reading here exactly WHO cares about this kind of nonsense when their baby is missing, it just boggles my mind; goodness forbid I should ever have to find out, I don't know how I would function to even think clearly to speak to law enforcement, much less give a fig about proving wrong someone who thought me guilty??!!! Not that I can imagine anyone important even thinking me guilty of such a thing!!!??? What, some Internet people? ANY people??? NO ONE would matter, NOTHING would matter!!!

You wanted a LIVE Hailey to walk through your door so you could prove some people WRONG?

I can't fathom this mindset, I just cannot and I read and deal with this on a frequent basis; still, it boggles my mind; it turns my stomach and with all of that, it breaks my heart for the children born to such hellbeasts!!!

Anonymous said...

Oh, my! looking at BillieJean Ostrander's Facebook page is so troubling in many ways...the hateful quotes, the "musical" groups she prefers, the makeover she takes such pride in while her daughter is "missing", the aunt and her own lack of class.

Anonymous said...

@ curiouserandcuriouser

Billie Jean NOT DUNN = EXACTLY

What that translates to is:

Billie Jean NOT HAILEY'S MOTHER

Billie Jean NOT CONNECTED TO THE HAILEY DUNN CASE

Soon she will be arrested and the world will finally be DONE with her

Anonymous said...

OH P'SS ON CLINT DUNN!! For God's sakes, the low-life POS wouldn't even give his daughter lunch money for school. In great humiliation she had to either go hungry some days or beg her counselor or one of her teachers for lunch money. There wasn't even anything at home she could fix and carry for lunch, mama needed her money for dope too.

Clint did not support Hailey. He lived off HUD and the fat of the land, smoking dope all day and night. He didn't care as long as he had HIS free bed and board, the hell with whether his daughter did.

If Hailey needed a little money for a school project or other personal needs, Billie made her go ask Shawn, with poor Hailey pleading with her mother not to make her go to Shawn. This made Hailey obligated to the evil Shawn and she KNEW it and was already ling in dreaded fear of him raping her. POor child. Nope, nothing
coming from deadbeat Clint. HE needed his little lawn
cutting money to buy his nickel bag everyday. How DARE Hailey even ask.

He LOVED his daughter? She begged him to let her live with him, even just let her sleep on his couch, but NO, Naomi didn't like Hailey and Clint didn't have room for her. He LOVED her? He wouldn't even provide a bed for his child.

He KNEW how Hailey was living at Billies, and he KNEW about the drugs and how evil Shawn was. He did NOT care as long as he could get away with having no responsibility for Hailey and had his free ride with Naomi.

I am a former probation officer whose job it was to force deadbeats like Clint Dunn to support their children. The low-life, dirty, POS. I HOPE he never has another moments peace over the way his precious daughter died at the hands of those he ALLOWED her to die at.

You people throwing all this sympathy towards this deadbeat sperm donor POS need to open your eyes to the truth. Men like Clint Dunn deserve to rot in prison for letting their child go hungry and not providing them a SAFE place to sleep, or keep them out of the hands of druggies. They DON'T care and they deserve to go hungry. May he rot in his own misery, along with Naomi.

~ABC said...

At one time, Billie Jean Dunn, Hailey's mother, was questioned about the disappearance. She was arrested for hindering prosecution and making a false statement to police concerning her boyfriend's whereabouts. She was sentenced to a year of probation

BJD is a convicted liar and deceiver. Not your average run of the mill fibber.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...at 8:29 PM



EXACTLY!

Anonymous said...

Is BJD back in Colorado City ? Wonder if she and adkins will be arrested before or after Hailey's funeral.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

Anonymous said...

OH P'SS ON CLINT DUNN!! For God's sakes, the low-life POS wouldn't even give his daughter lunch money for school. In great humiliation she had to either go hungry some days or beg her counselor or one of her teachers for lunch money. There wasn't even anything at home she could fix and carry for lunch, mama needed her money for dope too.


HEAR, HEAR!

I want to vomit when I see comments hoping that Clint Dunn stands up for justice for Hailey. It seems to me that Clint Dunn was too busy playing house with his new woman and that new woman was just as jealous of Hailey Dunn as Billie Jean NOT DUNN was (AND STILL IS, EVEN IN DEATH!!!) of beautiful Hailey Dunn!!! No one cared enough to bother themselves to step outside of their lives and deal with the very REAL threat they ALL...ALL...ALL ( I can't scream that loud enough!!!) KNEW!!! a one Mr. Shawn Adkins to be!!!

Clint Dunn, you do NOT deserve to stand up for Hailey, don't come around pretending that you care; where the heck are you, any way?

Have I become so wrapped up in my anger over Billie Jean NOT DUNN that I missed a grieving Clint Dunn making a statement?? Where is the rest of Hailey Dunn's family???

Oh Hailey! Where that you my neighbor, Hailey! Where that you one of the little girls or teens that live on my street and walk through my yard after school; that know they can wave to me or stop by and say "hello" or come to my door for a snack, whether they are playmates with my children or not; oh that you had anyone remotely like me that you could have reached out to or that just maybe would have clued into something in your eyes and actually gotten off their rear ends and done something!!! I don't know what I would have done Hailey, but I sure would like to think it would have been more than your 'family' did. I am sorry, Hailey, that I was all the way here in middle Texas and no where near you, that there weren't any people who WOULD save you even though there were people who COULD.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

Pointhunter,
Is there any reasonable hope that more of Hailey could be found? Are you allowed to comment or reasonably speculate on that? I do assume investigators did a thorough job there, still, even if I already know the answer to this, I have to ask it:

Is there any reasonable hope that perhaps more of Hailey will be found and laid to proper rest? I cannot fathom only party of my baby being returned to me, especially so little, from what it sounds like. I am hoping that maybe, just maybe...god how does one even say this??? Never mind, I can't say that because it means her body was torn apart either before or after death, when I fully think that through, it's horrific but my original line of thinking was that maybe after her death, Shawn dismembered her and scattered her remains and somehow, another 'pointhunter' may come across more of her and lay more of her to proper rest. Now I realize how heinous my thought was and I had no intent of it being so; I just want more of Hailey to be found and I can't imagine if she was placed all in that spot and has been carried off by wildlife that we have much hope of that?

Anonymous said...

Curiouser, I love your posts. They are amazing, you are amazing. You are screaming out every word just as I would love to do, only you are screaming them much better than I ever could.

I too would have taken in Hailey, would have even gone to bat to take her legally (I've done it before) and fought hell to do it. I would have adored the beautiful and brilliant Hailey Dunn.

I am just so sad, and SO angry, at every member of Haileys' family on both sides. AND, in total apprehension that Billie is going to get away with this! I've seen it happen and I KNOW it happens. I just pray to God that this time a dirty low-down POS mother PAYS for what she did to her own child and allowed OTHERS to do to her; still thinking there are others involved in this, at least one more in addition to her and Shawn Adkins.

God bless you for speaking out so loudly. I am the former probation officer who helped to prosecute AND issued bench warrants for jail terms for trash like deadbeat daddy Clint Dunn. I am Anon 1.

Trixiebelle said...

Anon 8:29pm, thanks for your perspective on Clint Dunn. If what you say about him is correct, then yes, shame on him and his selfish girlfriend, too. But I recognize that these people have no shame. As long as their selfish wants are covered, they don't worry about others.

Way to go, BJD and Clint, taking care of your "precious" daughter. Long as you both got your wants met, that was the important thing, huh?

I have to laugh at BJD's use of the word "husband" as if she is some soccer mom shepherding the kiddies around in a mini-van, putting dinner on the table at night and helping with homework.... just a sweet, unified American family that had tragedy mysteriously land on their doorstop.
Note to BJD and by extension, her estranged husband, Clint; you both apparently sucked as parents and failed your daughter. Now she's dead---anyone that sends a dime of $$$ to "help out" this family is keeping these scumbags going.

ecossie possie said...

I Feel we all need a refresher course.

The important thing we needed to remember was not to slande Billie.

Remember she did tell us all.
And then that it was important to remember that a little girl had apeared to vanish into thin air.

Thin Air Vanished remember..

So now that at least some of her has reapeared .
In to thick desert scrub.

Then it must be doubley importan not to slander her because now the little missing girl isnt even important because some of her has re apeared .
An we know she was stole an murdered.
And if per chance Billienotdunnnothing is reading here.

Hi Billie see ya wouldnt want ta beya.

The most important thing to remeber is no one has ever slandered you in thease blogs .

Its called libelous when written word Scandalous or slanderous is when some one screams it to your face.
forinstane

MURDERING BITCH

And both of the above only apply when the comments being said or written are untrue.

So you see as every thing said written alleged about you is true then no one has ever said any thing wrong about you.

If anything we have probably been conservative with our thoughts as the real horror of what unfolded in that house becomes apparent..

ecossie possie said...

Oh ps Billie since we no you read here.
And right about now you will be writting or thinking about writting a thank you tribute to POINT HUNTER...

Go for it if you need in pointers I would try useing your Daughters Name .

Its Hailey by the way yup use her name at least once.
Dont over do it mind you remeber your supposed to be greiveing.
Keep it simple.

Dear Mr Pointhunter I can never thank you enough for finding my baby girl.
And takeing her away from those ugly feilds.
Hailey was my life my everything.
I knew if I prayed every minute of everyday someone would find my baby.

Yours sincery Billie.

ps I wouldnt add any xxx kisses at the bottom.

All the best your going to need it.
Id say dont be a stranger but they dont have the internet where your heading.

Anonymous said...

I think that she is referring to David when she says my baby is safe. Any other words all that really matters is that he is ok.

~ABC said...

Pointhunter I'm guessing you still have to be cautious what you share about the scene you discovered? If not, I and I'm sure others, would love to hear more of what that was like for you.

Red Ryder said...

Hailey has been found, there in the ugly field like her mama said, in Scurry County like Shawn told us she would be. Out of his own lips, by his own voice we know who to look to for responsibility for Hailey's being dead, out in the elements these 28 months (no, not 30 months. Hailey is not my daughter but I know exactly how long she has been gone...)
I have read all the excellent posts and agree with much of them.
I am sad for Hailey's woundedness she endured, how she was used and twisted by those who should have treasured and protected her.
When I read the mother's words...it is like cold water, the attempt to manipulate is so obvious and I remember why she has need to convince, to lie and it chills me. This feeling is so remniscent of the way Casey A moved, how she loved the spotlight. I I I me me me.
Just a few of my thoughts, I have enjoyed all the great posts. Vita -your post was really interesting! (though I hope no more babies in BDs future)!

Nanna Frances said...

Fellow Commenters,

Rest easy. Justice will come for Hailey. I believe it will come in this world. The people who failed Hailey as well as the ones who harmed her will receive punishment.
Galatians 6:7
King James Version (KJV)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Anonymous said...

Amen Nanna

Anonymous said...

Thank you Nanna. Lovely post, calming, encouraging. God and his Word has spoken to us. Anon 1

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, I don't agree that she was talking about David... at all.

dahbou said...

It seems BD has a second FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002820774597

I don't recall who wrote the post (sorry) but someone here posted something like BD's best moments as a mother were when Hailey was around three years old so when I saw the photo she posted today of a toddler whom I assume is Hailey, it was a surprising confirmation of that idea.

Anonymous said...

The thing that bothers me more about David is why he never contacted Child Protective Services and request they talk to Hailey; how she was being neglected, how she lived in fear, and the drugs they were being exposed too with a violent man/beast living in their home; her hunger, and a father across the street who would not support them, leaving them at the mercy of dangerous drug addicts?

CPS would have visited Haileys' school and talked to her counselors and teachers, and would have set up private discussions with Hailey at her school. They would have talked to David and his school; he wouldn't have had to admit he made the call. They would also have investigated the child support matter and filed affidavits with Family Court against Clint Dunn. CPS would have investigated and taken action, I guarantee it.

David was sixteen years old, old enough to comprehend his and Haileys' surroundings. Surely he knew. Didn't he care at all about his sister? He wouldn't have had to give his name, just make the call anonymously. But he didn't. Where was David while all this was going on?

Why didn't he care enough to go search for his sister, or set up searches amongst his classmates, or at least car washes, etc., to raise funds to assist other searchers? LE can't prevent relatives from searching for a family member as long as they do it in an orderly and peaceful manner, nor discourage them from raising funds to help find their loved one. What was Davids' excuse? How can he live with it, caring so little for his little sister?

He is eighteen now and of legal age. LE can question him all they want too, with or without an atty present and away from Billies' supervision. I wonder, have they? What has he told them about Billie & Shawn and what he knows about Haileys' death and disappearance? I wonder how far he would go in protecting his mother? I hope he makes some sort of statement soon that Peter can analyize. So far, silence. Anon 1

curiouserandcuriouser said...

Hobnob said...

Coooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeee, hi billie.

Remember the question i sent you?

By not answering my question you have answered my question.
April 27, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Hobnob,
Can you share what question did you ask of Billie Jean, NOT DUNN? Are you able to share that with us?
(I am trying to keep up, if you've posted that already!) :-)

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@Anon1-
I volunteered (briefly) as a Guardian Ad Litem for young children in my area, goodness bless the work you have done. My apologies in misconstruing you for various other Anon 1's with a nasty agenda; that 'voice' is no where alive in the post you made to me; my passion made my good sense and good writing voice get lost. Excuse me, it didn't *make* it get lost, I allowed it to be overcome.

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Per another commenter mentioning not slandering Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, I have not seen any *libelous* (to be nit-picky, slander is spoken, libel is written) comments about Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, written here. Some subject terms, perhaps, but nothing libelous. I believe we're doing rather well containing our rage at such a hellish beast or either Peter is doing a darn good job deleting our more libelous and offensive comments about a one MRS. Billie Jean, NOT DUNN and a one Mr. Shawn no-where-to-be-seen Adkins.

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My line of work involves studying 'winners' like this on a regular basis and still, the more I study and absorb and learn, I still stand jaw nearly on the floor, heart feeling like it's been ripped out, wanting to scream and yell and turn back time to just one second before Hailey died, one moment for someone, anyone to please, please intervene. Or maybe just one moment before all of her remains decomposed to the point of making it more difficult for them to speak to forensic investigators, so that the justice Hailey deserved in life but didn't get could surely be rendered to her in death, or at least more assuredly.


"Hell is empty and all the devils are here." rings true even for this nonbeliever because surely only a monstrosity of a hellbeast could perpetrate such a thing and then go on about their life like they are the holy trinity of she, herself, and Billie Jean, NOT DUNN; otherwise known as I I I, ME ME ME!

Those are not musical chords she's practicing for the local choir, either, it's Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, practicing her mantra for when a live Hailey walks through the door of a home unknown to her, in a city unknown to her, with a phone number unknown to her, and proves to all of Billie Jean, NOT DUNN's, haters that they were wrong about She, Herself, and Mrs. Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, Texas' own living, breathing holy trinity! Oh and for the follow up, Mrs. Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, will announce that her daughter, who's been missing "a real long time, don't know how long"...is also alive and well, TYVM...but most importantly, you can quit focusing on her and you all were WRONG. Hailey who? Already forgotten, had a live Hailey ever been a possibility in that scenario.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

HobNob, I have now seen see your question to Billie Jean, NOT DUNN regarding Shawn throwing her under the bus. :-)

rkg said...

Look. I believe that Clint did not provide for Hailey as he should have. I agree that his lifestyle and choices were pretty pathetic. I agree that he should have done better, and that Hailey deserved better than what BOTH of her parents provided for her.

I also believe that if you would have given Clint Dunn the go-ahead to kill his daughter, he would have knocked you out cold and broken both your legs.

It's not uncommon for people to use tragic circumstances to turn their lives around. What ever could be wrong with hoping that a messed-up, irresponsible man would turn his life around to honor a life lost? There are those who have PURPOSELY CAUSED someone's death, who have turned their lives straight and lived the rest of their lives in honor of the person THEY killed. Clint did not protect Hailey, but he did not kill her. She did not die of negligence. All arrows point toward her violent death at the hands of abusers. Could Clint have prevented it? We'll never know, because as we all KNOW, courts award custody and visitation to some of the worst people in the world (Josh Powell, among many others). Likely, Hailey would have still been required to see her mom at some point, even if Clint had her legally removed from that home and moved away. As we know, all it takes is ONE court-ordered visitation...

Why is it wrong to be sorry that his daughter was murdered and hope that the man can clean up his life? If he did that, would you still begrudge him? I am sorry that there are those who think when a person has lived wrongly, he should be destined to continue to live that way, lest anyone should have to offer forgiveness.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

In my post at 11:53pm on April 27th,

I intended to say "some subjectIVE terms" not "some subject terms"

ha I laugh at the thought of marbles there, both convey the thought adequately; I know when I was saying this in my head, my head typed out 'subject-IVE'; the brain sees what it wills sometimes, even when it's clear in front of you, no? :-)

elf said...

Come on. Clint isn't Ward Cleaver but he's still haileys dad and she loved him. He didn't know that Billie would ever let any harm come to his children. No one knows the secret evil buried in another heart. Cut the man some slack. Yesterday must have been the worst day of his life... I can't even imagine.

curiouserandcuriouser said...

@rkg-
I absolutely agree with you per people turning over new leaves, however, where's the proof that Clint Dunn has turned over a new leaf? Just coming out because Hailey's remains were found doesn't prove anything.

Where the hay has Clint Dunn been all of this time?

Where was Mr. Clint Dunn these last 28 months?

Not tearing up Texas looking for his baby girl, not shaking up Texas asking for people like Pointhunter, who are out there looking for other things, to look for his baby girl.

What stopped him from GO-ing, the word Billie Jean, NOT DUNN was so focused on last night?


I think GO is a fitting word for the entire family to fixate on. No one was focused on GO-ing anywhere productive;
GO-ing anywhere to help Hailey; GO-ing anywhere to get away from bad people and influences or to GO-toward finding Hailey all too whole-heartedly when she 'went missing'.


Clint Dunn acts nothing like an innocent parent and/or nothing like a concerned parent. Where's the evidence of this new leaf turning? Just coming out and flapping his gums a bit now isn't proof of diddly.

Hailey was more than a mild inconvenience for everyone in her life. That baby did NOT deserve to play that role in their lives; she had no choice, she was relegated to it.

I find it offensive for a one Mr. Clint Dunn to come out now. Perhaps I will find even more offensive if he doesn't, perhaps I am just so worked up at the moment that he couldn't win for losing.

I am not excusing this pig anything. You (not 'you' as in 'you', rkg) don't get forgiveness or a get a pass just because you look like you've turned over a new leaf.


I DO hold him nearly equal to Billie Jean, NOT DUNN and Shawn Adkins. I find this to be holding Mr. Clint Dunn to a reasonable measure of responsibility, not judging him. Fine lines and subjective terms, but very different.


(I am not yelling at you, I am yelling at a one Mr. Clint Dunn and clan; I do not subscribe to cable or get local channels and last I searched, I wasn't pulling anything up on him stepping up to the podium to be very vocal...w/i reason I can understand that after news like this; I had asked earlier today if I was missing a big chunk of the story where he was coming forward now or had spokesperson(s) he was appearing beside?)

Listener said...

Curiouserandcuriouser said...
My line of work involves studying 'winners' like this on a regular basis and still, the more I study and absorb and learn, I still stand jaw nearly on the floor, heart feeling like it's been ripped out, wanting to scream and yell and turn back time to just one second before Hailey died, one moment for someone, anyone to please, please intervene. Or maybe just one moment before all of her remains decomposed to the point of making it more difficult for them to speak to forensic investigators, so that the justice Hailey deserved in life but didn't get could surely be rendered to her in death, or at least more assuredly.
_____
Curiouser, you took the words straight from my soul and put them here!! Thank you for saying what's been stuck inside my head today. I have been reading and reading and thinking and thinking for these 28.5 months, but I usually don't comment. I'm afraid if I really get started, I won't be able to stop typing!! Hailey had no chance in life with parents and family who allowed her to live in such a horrible environment!

Billie, we all know you read here. You may think you've fooled some people - maybe a handful - but you haven't fooled LE or 99% of anyone else with a brain. They're coming for you soon. You know Shawn, and you know he won't let them pin this whole thing on him. He's got his story ready, even though he's told you he's sticking to the one the two of you came up with. Nope. It's over girl. C City and Snyder are ready for you and Shawn. They've had 28.5 months to search (which you NEVER did), read, talk and put all of the pieces of this puzzle together. Now they know, and they are about to make JUSTICE FOR HAILEY happen (that's her name, remember?)!!!

They're about to welcome you back to C City and Snyder with open arms and cuffs and bond so high that you won't be going anywhere - ever!!!!

Anonymous said...



I have seen a lot of injustice in this world. A lot of murderers have gotten off. Look at the Case of Caylee Anthony for example. The jury knew she killed her child but they let her off. That will bother me the rest of my life. How can anyone release a Mother who murders her own child? To me that is the ultimate crime.

I'd be willing to make a wager that Billie gets off, in fact I doubt she is even arrested. It's just the way I see it shaping up. LE seems to have a strong interest in SA. BD is finally saying after 28 months that she thinks he did this. She chose him over her missing child for a very long time. I personally couldn't look at myself in the mirror.

SA said during the polygraph that LE should be looking at HE AND BD, that Hailey was in Scurry County and it showed he was being truthful. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have a great deal of faith in our justice system anymore. I've seen too many people walk that should be behind bars.

Do I think BD is guilty? I certainly do and most others agree but we can't make the arrest.

So BD has enjoyed parties, concerts, dating and recently a new haircut, she has had her brown hair dyed again, she has more Tattoo's and a new dress all while Hailey's body was laying in a field. Hailey will never have a 1st date, Graduation, Prom, College, marriage or children.....But BD can make up for all Hailey will miss out on.

She says she wants her baby now. Well there is only a skull, femur and tooth. She was either cut up or the animals that devoured her scattered her remains. I was listening to an interview and it was mentioned that BD has never stopped looking for her daughter.....I stand to correct that News Person, BD NEVER started looking for Hailey.

I prayed that God would lead someone to Hailey so everyone could have closure and she could be laid to rest. He answered my prayer. Now I pray that justice will be served.

I personally wish to thank the gentleman who found Hailey. She can at least have a funeral now. How absolutely sad that it took this for that child to get the attention she deserved.

I also want to Thank Peter for all his hard work on this case and many others.

Texas Grandma

Anonymous said...

Blogger rkg said...

Look. I believe that Clint did not provide for Hailey as he should have. I agree that his lifestyle and choices were pretty pathetic. I agree that he should have done better, and that Hailey deserved better than what BOTH of her parents provided for her.

I also believe that if you would have given Clint Dunn the go-ahead to kill his daughter, he would have knocked you out cold and broken both your legs.

It's not uncommon for people to use tragic circumstances to turn their lives around. What ever could be wrong with hoping that a messed-up, irresponsible man would turn his life around to honor a life lost? There are those who have PURPOSELY CAUSED someone's death, who have turned their lives straight and lived the rest of their lives in honor of the person THEY killed. Clint did not protect Hailey, but he did not kill her. She did not die of negligence. All arrows point toward her violent death at the hands of abusers. Could Clint have prevented it? We'll never know, because as we all KNOW, courts award custody and visitation to some of the worst people in the world (Josh Powell, among many others). Likely, Hailey would have still been required to see her mom at some point, even if Clint had her legally removed from that home and moved away. As we know, all it takes is ONE court-ordered visitation...

Why is it wrong to be sorry that his daughter was murdered and hope that the man can clean up his life? If he did that, would you still begrudge him? I am sorry that there are those who think when a person has lived wrongly, he should be destined to continue to live that way, lest anyone should have to offer forgiveness.


Because it is too late for his 13 year old daughter Thats why Too little too late . I save my sympathy for Hailey

Anonymous said...

Blogger rkg said


I feel that in a way she did die from negligence

mara said...

I read here almost daily but don't usually comment. I lived in Sweetwater when Hailey was reported missing. I'm saddened but grateful she has been found. Thank you, Pointhunter!
Thank you Peter for keeping attention focused on Hailey all this time.

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Nanna Frances said...
Fellow Commenters,

Rest easy. Justice will come for Hailey. I believe it will come in this world. The people who failed Hailey as well as the ones who harmed her will receive punishment.
Galatians 6:7
King James Version (KJV)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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Where two or more are gathered and pray,
Thy will be Done,
Amen.

Katie said...

Pointhunter,

I missed your interview. Hopefully the video will be on their website. So it was Hailey's blue warmup pants that was the article of clothing found with her. Are you allowed to tell us anything else now that her remains have been identified? If so, what else was there?

Katie said...

RKG,

I understand your sympathy for Clint, Hailey's father. I sympathize with him too. He must be in the depths of despair. I also believe he can turn his life around if he chooses to do so. Yes, it is too late for Hailey but not for his other daughter or for him, himself. Maybe he can help others and become an advocate. Maybe that's a stretch, maybe not. Maybe once the threat that I feel he has been under is removed, he will come out of the shadows. He did tell Peter he was terrified of Billie.

I am learning from those who deal with parents like Clint & Billie on a regular basis. What really is important to those parents, how they neglect and abuse their children. I hope to learn more. Thank you for sharing. I can feel your anger and disgust, yet your hearts are not hardened but break for the innocent children who are helplessly suffering and hoping someone will step in to save them.

Katie said...

Thank you, Pointhunter, I look forward to it.

Katie said...

Pointhunter,

Will you also discuss the threatening letter your received on Crime Wire?

Anonymous said...

Curiouser: ref your post @ 12:48 this morning; I can tell you where Clint Dunn was in the early stages of Haileys' disappearance. He was out walking and pushing the baby up and down, up and down, putting out flyers, looking pitiful and begging for money to "help" him look for Hailey; pleading that he needs to be out mowing grass, got to feed his family, but he's got to keep searching for Hailey. My my, did he ever know how to rake in the money and keep smoking dope! The fool hit paydirt.

THAT turned into pathetic Clint soliciting funds to help HIMSELF and now he knows just how to do it and makes a full time job out it. Street corners, everywhere, signs up, begging for money and smoking dope. And gets it.

He and Naomi got caught and had to move out of the free HUD housing he was fraudently living in (that right there proves him a liar and a con) while bedded with Naomi across the street from Billies' place; so now he needs ANOTHER free place to live. And gets it.

He begs and comes up with a free trailer, but it needs new wheels/tires, and IIRC, needs a flat-bed trailer too; which he begs and gets, now he needs a free place to park it. He gets one. Mama says he can park it in her backyard, now he needs the money to get it moved there and utilities turned on. He gets all that and settles in. Free.

Next he runs into trouble with mama when he and Naomi won't keep Naomis' son from running in and out of her house all day and night, leaving lights on, making messes they won't clean up and eating everything in sight.

Clint and brood have got to go, leaving mama deeply in debt for all she had to pay out to help them that they left her stuck with; don't know what the hell he did with the trailer, probably left mama stuck with having to have it carted off; nonetheless, now he needs a house, free of course, that he can hunker down in.

Lo and behold somebody hands him one rent free, but now he's got to have all the free materials to fix it up to make it livable, so off he trots to lumber companies and other places looking for MORE free stuff and gets it!

Take a look: Way back up there somewhere Clint had stopped walking and pushing the baby and putting up flyers, he's only out begging funds and goodies for HIMSELF; having hit paydirt, all the while smoking pot off these many donations he scammed off the good people of C City. Don't believe me? Take a look at his arrest and jail record during this time, and why.

So where is he now? Who the hell knows, but you can count on it: Living off someone else and smoking dope if not in jail or looking for a free place to squat. But he couldn't do any of that begging (working) for his daughter when she needed just a bed to sleep on, a box of kotex and a little lunch money so badly. I despise the low-life POS. Sorry, but I do. Anon 1

Trixiebelle said...

Anon 11:03....wow, you've given me something to think about as I am one of those people that initially had some measure of sympathy for Clint.
To all that mention how Clint could use this tragedy to turn his life around, yes, he certainly could. The proof is gonna be in the pudding. Until then, apparently he's just a lazy stoner with a personality-disordered, druggy estranged wife whose daughter died on their collective watch.
This family is a cancer that should be tied off and starved so that it cannot continue to replicate. Thank God I read somewhere BJD said she got herself "fixed." Now, if David and Clint each had a vasectomy, I'd consider that a start to "turning over a new leaf." Until then, folks, think about where your charity and compassion are really going. Hailey is dead so it's not going to her.
Thanks for the insight, Anon 11:03

Anonymous said...

Y/W Trixiebelle. I don't feel sorry for ANY man (or woman) who eats but don't feed their kids FIRST. They eat when THEY're hungry, don't they; yet they continue smoking pot and drinking alcohol and entertaining their illicit lovers? The kid can starve to death for all they care. I just gave an abbreviated version of Clint's crap.

I could have said more about the sorry POS but it could have turned into two pages. Of course, Clint could turn his life around, anyone could; but do they? They cry and whimper for a while but usually don't. As you said, the proof is in the pudding.

As to your projection that they all ought to be 'fixed' as Billie calls it, including Naomi, I couldn't agree more.

Still, I wonder what Shawn was talking about when he threatened Billie to tell about "the incest baby"? Whose baby, where? Billie claims she was 'fixed' eleven years ago; true or false? Or did Billie just say that to put out any fires about an incest baby that Shawn might stir up?

Since one can't believe anything Billie says as not having some crafty hidden agenda, I tend NOT to believe that she got herself fixed eleven years ago. I can tell ya now, as evil as he is, I'd believe anything Shawn said before I'd ever believe Billie Jean. What say you? Anon 1

Anonymous said...

Chugga Chugga where's that choochoo? Where's the bus? I have been waiting and waiting and listening to how they are building the case. Where and when are the arrests coming? Tons of evidence and still, they must need more time to build the case? Know what BJD needs? A RESTRAINING ORDER to keep the train and bus nuts from ruining Hailey's funeral. The ones still yapping should be kept away from Hailey's loved ones. Have some respect if you can.

Anonymous said...

Believers of the person of interest Shawn? Really?????? Now that defines a sicko for sure. DISGUSTING.

Anonymous said...

Chugga Chugga where's that choochoo? Where's the bus? I have been waiting and waiting and listening to how they are building the case. Where and when are the arrests coming? Tons of evidence and still, they must need more time to build the case? Know what BJD needs? A RESTRAINING ORDER to keep the train and bus nuts from ruining Hailey's funeral. The ones still yapping should be kept away from Hailey's loved ones. Have some respect if you can.

Dawn said...

Anonymous 1223am
Hailey's funeral is about Hailey, not Billie or Clint. I do not know of one person except Billie who would take away from Hailey's day. While alot of us would love to say something to Billie when we see her, out of respect for Hailey, our voice will stay silent. Hailey's funeral is not the time or place however, when Billie is walking in the courtroom after being charged with murdering Hailey, that will be the correct time and place.

michelle said...

When will there be arrest made for these two? Waiting and checking news updates every day...

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