Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Clothing Found At Scurry County Remains

As revealed on Crime Wire last night, several sources have reported that an article of clothing was found at the Scurry County remains which suggests the remains may those of Hailey Dunn.

Hailey Dunn was last seen by a non Person of Interest on the night of December 27th, 2010 when her then 16 year old brother, David Dunn, left the home sometime after 9 or 10PM.

No official confirmation of the remains has been made by authorities in Colorado City, Texas.

The article of clothing is said to be that of a young person's, found near the remains, and that as previously reported, there would not be difficulty in identifying DNA from the scene.

Hailey Dunn's mother, Billie Jean Dunn, and the mother's boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, remain the only two named Persons of Interest in the case.  No arrests have been made to date.

93 comments:

john said...

"Hailey Dunn's mother, Billie Jean Dunn, and the mother's boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, remain the only two named Persons of Interest in the case."

Conspicuous in their absence..

Lizzie said...

Peter,
Scurry County has jurisdiction of the remains, not Colorado City, or Mitchell County, for ‘authorities’ to confirm anything.
All CCPD would do now, if called, is direct the caller to a Dallas FBI phone number.

Trixiebelle said...

Day #32. Thanks for the info, Lizzie. Any thoughts on why Scurry County has not publicly released the identity of the remains?

Peter, off topic from Hailey, but I see another reader asked for your thoughts on recent statements from the mother of missing Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann. I, too, am curious as to whether you have read her recent comments on forgiveness and life since Madeleine's disappearance. Kate's comments were wide-ranging, IMO, and I am wondering if you have read them as well and can share your thoughts on that case?

john said...

Hi Trixiebelle

Do you have a link to the McCann comments?

Thanks..

ny anon said...

No trouble finding dna with an article of clothing?

Semon would not be very apparent after this length of time...

All that leaves, imo, is blood.

:(

S + K Mum said...

John,

The Telegraph link to Kate McCann

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9995377/Kate-McCann-Its-dreadful-living-with-this-void.html

Lizzie said...

Trixiebelle,
I have several thoughts on that, easily summed up.
If the remains are Hailey’s, then this is no longer Scurry County’s jurisdiction either.
It is the FBI’s, and a federal case.
Texas Rangers are working closely with the FBI.

john said...

S + K Mum Thanks..

Anonymous said...

It's possible all the LE secrecy equates to preparations for a secret and closed Grand Jury hearing

elf said...

Got kicked off hailie Dunn updates and discussion page on fb for pointing out bullies inconsistancies regarding haileys disappearance. On that page were 2 post about Peter's analysis of the subject of sleep location (the post ends with Hailey being called spoiled by the admin who wrote it) and Peter's analysis of Billie's statement that the important thing to remember is not to slander (talk bad) about Billie.
Go figure.

pointhunter said...

Trixiebelle

When I called and asked as a concerned citizen, I was referred to the FBI.

When I called later and identified myself, I was informed I needed to speak with Sparky Dean of the Texas DPS.

Either way they are not talking at the scurry co. S.O. or the C.City PD.....

Kiwi said...

S + K

Thank you for the McCann link!

Just waitin' said...

Pointhunter...in your opinion. Was the sight of the body a place that was known to the perps? A place that they had possibly been to before? Not a random spot say that a 'stranger abduction' would have chosen?

local anon said...

As pointhunter says, the FBI and DPS (Texas Rangers) are taking the lead at this point. It remains to be seen who will have jurisdiction if arrests are made. Jurisdiction has been an issue all along, and in my opinion, just my opinion, one of the reasons the investigation never got anywhere.

Anonymous said...

"Article of clothing" = Letter jacket?

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

This bit interesting - from the McCann interview:

There are other reasons to be thankful. Once, Kate McCann was afraid that the intensity of grief would threaten their marriage, because she could not bear to take pleasure or comfort in the physical side of their relationship. “I’m pleased, and relieved, to say our relationship is really good,” she says. “Given that we’ve made it through so many awful things over the past six years – and not just made it through but are united, strong and very happy together – then we can make it through anything. We’ll survive.”

elf said...

Texas anon- according to statements Hailey was last reported to be seen wearing blue running pants, a light blue T-shirt, and possibly shoes. I added the possibly because what shoes Hailey was wearing has been a debated subject, first it was tennis shoes then it was flip flops. When a teen goes missing the police first consider that the teen ran away from home, 13 is about the age for that type of rebellion to start happening. I believe that after the police talked to Billie and Shawn they saw the inconsistency in words and behavior that moved the classification from runaway to missing/possibly abducted. The fact that if a teen runs away they do take beloved possessions (I'm sure Hailey's letter jacket was one. Not even mentioning that all her other possessions were left behind) definatly points to foul play.

Katie said...

Say they finally make arrests and the remains are identified as those of Hailey's, would the public be told what article of clothing was found? or any other items before a trial? What would we be told before a trial? If plea bargains are made would that cause some information to never be released to the public before a trial or then used at trial?

john said...

“I’m pleased, and relieved, to say our relationship is really good,”


“I’m pleased"=Not,WE are pleased or Gerry and I are pleased..

"is really good,”

"Really"=Unnessesary word which weakens it being good,also it is used to convince.

No mention of Gerry.?

Peter Hyatt said...

I don't know where the responsibility is going to end; recall the affidavit began with "kidnapping" and the child pornography may have crossed county lines.

When I speak of CC, I mean it only in a general sense.

We should know more about locality soon.

I hear that Shawn is no longer in New Mexico, but back in Texas.

john said...

Peter,

could you do an article on sleeping arrangements please,i found it fascinating when it was pointed out.

Thanks..

Just waitin' said...

Possibility of child porn in three counties. Howard , Mitchell and Scurry. I have wondered who would 'house' these two.

Deejay said...

Eventually someone will write a book...

Anonymous said...

Elf: You are absolutely right about leaving behind beloved possessions - HOWEVER - I don't believe what BJD and/or SA said about what she was wearing when they last saw Hailey.

When I came up with the letter jacket idea, I was thinking of Caylee and how she was disposed of with one of her favorite blankets - the Winnie the Pooh one which was found with her remains.

I know this is very twisted - and my idea of the jacket might sound strange - but as crazy as it sounds (and in no way ma I defending BJD), but I believe BJD loved Hailey - just not enough to stop what was going on that could have saved Hailey's life.

To bury Hailey with something she loved as much as she did the jacket could perhaps be BJD's way of "lovingly" (and I use that term VERY loosely) laying Hailey to rest, and perhaps closure of sorts for BJD.

I could be wrong and I hope I am.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

First of all, if Hailey was asleep when BJD went to work, then how the hell does she know what she was wearing?

Guys rarely notice (much less remember) EVERY single piece of clothing that a girl is wearing. Not only that, if BJD is going by what SA TOLD her what Hailey was wearing when she disappeared, she probably believed him, but again - I don't trust a word that comes out of either of their mouths. I don't like thinking this, but for all WE know, she wasn't wearing ANYTHING when she was killed.

Texas Anon

john said...

Wow, some interesting comments considering this is a statement Analysis Site..

MeagIn Manhattan said...

@ Pointhunter ~ Is Shawn Adkins living with family members in Texas? OR shacking up again with Billie Dunn???

Most Sincerely,
Meag

Anonymous said...

Deejay: I'd love to be the one to write it. I've followed this case closely from the very beginning.

Texas Anon

Just waitin' said...

Since Shawn is considered a POI...could LE ask him to return to Texas?

Anonymous said...

Say they finally make arrests and the remains are identified as those of Hailey's, would the public be told what article of clothing was found? or any other items before a trial? What would we be told before a trial? If plea bargains are made would that cause some information to never be released to the public before a trial or then used at trial?

_________________________

Question 1: Probably not. The only way we'll know is when it comes out a trial.

Question 2: We will know very little of the specific details of the investigation before the trial. This case will not be tried through media exposure.

Question 3: If plea bargains are made, very little, if any of the details will ever be made known to the public.

Texas Anon

NM said...

maybe he is working for an oil drilling crew, two weeks on, two weeks off.

pointhunter said...

pointhunter said...
I hear that Shawn is no longer in New Mexico, but back in Texas.

Confirmed 4-16-2013!

April 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM ???

This is not my comment, I have not seen or confirmed anything about SA.

Trigger said...

If I were in Shawn's shoes right now, I would quietly be staying with relatives and hiding from the media.

Shawn is only person who can shake the covers off Billie's plans to blame him for everything that has happened since Hailey went missing.

Has Clint Dunn talked to reporters recently?

I would think that he would be the first one to get the ID confirmation if it were Hailey, as he is not a person of interest.

Jeff said...

If the remains are Hailey's, I will be surprised that she was discarded wearing any clothing at all. Clothing is evidence. I would think SA would have wanted to leave as little evidence as possible, especially when considering his comment that killing a teenager is as easy as skinning a deer.

C5H11ONO said...

Could the article of clothing possibly be panties or bras. The size would indicate that it was a young adult or older child. The panties may still contain dna, especially if there is blood on them. At Hailey's age, she could have been menstruating when she was murdered.

Lori said...

I worry that everytime I think LE is just taking a long time for due diligence and that LE is just working on making a strong case...that these are the cases that the perps get away with. I am so hoping SA and BD get held accountable for this. Especially BD who should be the main protector of her daughter.
I know it sounds cynical, it's just everytime we have these big delays in information it doesn't seem to be good news.
Hope I am wrong.

Trigger said...

I read an article that stated:

"Billie Dunn later told police she had fought with her daughter before she went missing".

Anonymous said...

The article of clothing was not a bra. Perhaps panties would indicate the remains were of a girl, but there was no bra.


Texas Anon

Katie said...

Texas Anon, thank you.

If plea bargains are made, would some of the evidence that was found and information about what actually happened to Hailey be left out of the trial? Not used at trial and therefore we the public will never know those aspects of what happened?

MeagIn Manhattan said...

WOW - CAN THE REAL POINTHUNTER PLEASE STAND UP?!?

THAT IS SHADY BUSINESS RIGHT THERE, POSTING WITH YOUR IDENTITY.


MEAG

Dee said...
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Anonymous said...

Katie: If plea bargains are made, there will be no trials, therefore, little if any information will be made public. BJD will more than likely take a plea deal, throwing SA under the bus.

IF arrests are made, we can conclude that the DA thinks there to be enough evidence to hold either or both SA and BJD over for trial. But what that evidence is, we may never actually know, or only part of what was found.

Even IF they go to trial, some of the evidence MAY be withheld from the jury - not knowing what the evidence is, or if there even is any (other than what has already been made known, ie. a few bones), it would be impossible to guess what evidence could possibly be withheld. More than likely, the deviant images will not play a part of a murder trial. But even THAT'S a toss up. The only reason I can think of that the deviant images would play a part in this murder trial is IF there were images of Hailey herself found to be amongst the 109,000 images found.

If at all possible, IF and when this case comes to trial, I'll be there.

Texas Anon


BostonLady said...

Pointhunter, if you register for google, you can also add a picture of something (doesn't have to be you) so it will better identify you. The blue link helps too.

It's too bad we have immature trolls that come to this site to interrupt the discussions.

Have a good Wednesday!

john said...

OT..

http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

Jodi Arias Trial about to start for those who follow..

Anonymous said...

Just Waitin:

It is my understanding that SA is back in Texas. If he stayed in NM and a warrant was issued for his arrest, it would be necessary to extradite him back to Texas. And yes, LE could ask him to return, either by direct contact with SA or through SA's attorney.

Dee said...

elf said...
If you don't believe me about that statement look it up and read it at the address I posted in my reply to skeod. What do you mean Im arguing with the wrong person?

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elf...I think what hjlfkghdf was saying was don't waste your time arguing with skeod. You know that he's a BJD apologist, you said yourself - Billie's his hero.

Just waitin' said...

Just an observation. We live in a sick world.

Lemon said...

I recommend Boston's suggestion to you pointhunter, to avoid future shenanigans by wannabes.

Thank you for your contributions to the blog.

Dee said...

I agree Just waitin'. Thank you Peter or Heather, whoever swept out the trash.

Thank you also BostonLady. I didn't realize I could put a pic on here so easily!

MeagIn Manhattan said...

I hope that NANNA FRANCES is feeling better with each day!

You are missed! :-)

MOST SINCERELY,
Meag

NY anon said...

This is taking wayyyyyy toooooo longggggg....

They r scaring me. you think they wud want swift justice for hailey too.. so make a damn arrest!

Ihope I'm not right wit my gut feeling... no way to ID remains.

~all for hailey

Peter Hyatt said...

Please don't feed into him. He is using Curtis' name, and other ones as well.

The SPAM folder will eventually block him fully, and I have blocked him from Facebook (he uses lots of names).

He enjoyed the attention for awhile but needs to move on.

please do not answer him, nor copy and paste anything from him.

If you copy and paste from him, it will be deleted when found.

Peter

elf said...

O.o I see lol thanks. I thought he meant I posted my reply to the wrong person, like I clicked the wrong person.

Ladyluck WI said...

Is there a statement analysis facebook page?

Anonymous said...

Ske/Graham/Idiot/whatever your name is:

Go get a job! You're going to need one to put money in the canteen fund for billie dunn at whatever correctional institute she ends up at.

elf said...

Peter I'm really glad I found this blog. I've learned quite a bit in the month and a half I've been reading. I look forward to learning more in the future.
I'm sorry I responded to Billie's fan club. Your right, giving he/she attention is only feeding the bad behavior and disinformation.

so what lol said...

NM said...
maybe he is working for an oil drilling crew, two weeks on, two weeks off.
April 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM
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you missed this one by me, of course your retarded followers wouldnt understand what that means anyway so go ahead and delete it.
fyi fuktard, i have never used pointhunters name.
you and your work are shit... mostly because your pedophilia true self is revealed in your writings.

Forsberg21 said...

What the "Ske" person means is Shawn returned to Texas between job deployments

Local Texas Anons have said on this blog that Shawn works at various locations within and without Texas on a temporary basis, and the information offered by "Ske" confirms that

Forsberg21 said...

Meaning that Shawn's return to Texas might have nothing to do with the remains, he might simply have returned to his real home between deployments

Lemon said...

Please do not feed the trolls :)

Just waitin' said...

Lemon...I agree.

Lemon said...

For those new to the blog-
replying to a troll, i.e. "feeding a troll" -

"When you do this, you give the trolls the attention that they crave. You're responding in the way that the troll wants you to respond. You get upset over something that someone posted on the internet." Urban Dictionary

see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Peeder Hideit said...

good job Forsberg21 , but as you can see, they dont get it. they are not concern about what the truth is.

Dee said...

Back to the topic at hand...
"The article of clothing is said to be that of a young person's, found near the remains, and that as previously reported, there would not be difficulty in identifying DNA from the scene."

There would not be difficulty in identifying DNA...could be blood found on something at the scene or DNA from the skeletal remains themselves.
But that the "article of clothing is said to be that of a young person's" intrigues me. What would be identifiable as "young person's" clothing as opposed to any age. Different clothing sizes can be worn by numerous age groups so I don't think it's the size that identified it. Hailey's size would be consistent some older persons also (the poster on this page says she was 5'1"). Blue sweat pants can be worn by male or female. So I have two thoughts. Maybe it's her shirt. A short sleeve light colored shirt, if it has a design on it (Aero has been mentioned) or looks more like what a teenager would wear than what someone 40 - 50 would wear might be it. Maybe it has blood on it. Or....it could be underwear. (Bra was ruled out by pointhunter.) Panties as opposed to boxers, briefs would identify it as a female. The style could point to a younger female. DNA might be able to be obtained from them.

Lemon said...

I might add, it is an exercise in discernment, as it requires readers here to observe how language is used, i.e. to inform, to debate intelligently, to enlighten, or conversely, to demean, to namecall, to ignite controversy, and inflame for personal recognition.

Anonymous said...

Pointing out the fact that Shawn may have returned home for reasons not related to the case is not defined as "feeding the trolls"

You're trolling right now by insinuating that all messages you don't like are troll messages

Anonymous said...

How do you know that it was not a bra that was found with the remains?

Just waitin' said...

Dee..

I think possibly a shirt with school logo? Possibly even a shirt from cheerleader camp? ( If it is Hailey) I'm not sure what would be used for DNA other than the bones. West Texas has a very harsh climate with lots of critters that would be interested in blood stained clothing. I hope an ID can be made soon so someone's family can put their loved one to rest.

Dee said...

Anonymous said...
How do you know that it was not a bra that was found with the remains?

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If you're speaking to me anon, I don't know that for a fact. I'm going by what pointhunter said on another post. He was there, he saw what was there. When someone posed that theory he said it was not a bra.

Dee said...

Just waitin'...a shirt with a school logo or cheerleader camp is a good thought for something identifiable with a young person.

elf said...

I'm sure the FBI knows exactly where both persons of interest are at any given moment of the day. Hailey's case is a pretty high profile case. They want justice for Hailey as much as we all do. I'm sure the prosecution will make a strong case for the conviction of the guilty parties. That's the most likely reason for the wait on results to be made public regarding the remains found. Jmo tho.

ecossie possie said...

I predict in the near future both S A and ditto B D,
Will soon be loseing all there marbles........................

Ladyluck WI said...

I have been trying to keep up with comments ever since pointhunter first came to the blog. Everyone is speculating about the clothing and chance that this is a young lady. Unless I missed something, (which is possible) I thought we concluded the reason why there’s a good chance it’s a young lady was due to the size/shape of the skull. Not necessarily due to the type of clothing found? Is that just something everyone kind of assumed or is there a reason we are assuming the clothing points to being a young lady?

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Anonymous said...

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that DNA on clothing is compromised by natural elements - water, dirt, etc.

Not only that, but we must remember that it's not enough just to ID the body. One must also come up with either the murder weapon and/or define the cause of death.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't believe they will find the cause of death in the bones. Dr. G sent off Caylee's femur bone and nothing showed. NOTHING. And her little bones weren't out in the elements nearly as long as these bones have been.

Caylee was out in the woods for several months and her clothing was, for the most part (at least her shirt), almost eaten away. It is very difficult for me to imagine that any article of clothing (bra, panties, shirt, socks, etc.) would still be intact enough for them to determine that it was an article of clothing - at least an article of clothing still intact enough to determine that it belonged to Hailey - except for somethng very thick, perhaps leather, vinyl, rubber, plastic . . .

Just thinking outloud. This stuff keeps me up at night.

Texas Anon

pointhunter said...

Thanks for the info Boston lady

~ABC said...

Is anyone absolutely certain that Skeee odskiiii isn't Shawn or Billie?

I've been seeing that user name, or variations of it, on FB Hailey groups for the entire time Hailey has been missing. So I'm very curious.

~ABC said...

Ahhhh Bravo Pointhunter for locking in your username! :)

Lemon said...

Well done pointhunter :)

Anonymous said...

Exactly Texas Anon

Bones prove identity but not cause of death, just like Caylee case

This case is predicated upon very weak circumstantial evidence

Arrests won't be made until a Grand Jury delivers indictments and even then it remains to be seen whether a trial jury will convict on any charges considering the circumstantial evidence is so weak

Shawn's cell phone records are the strongest evidence

Billie's cell phone records were not released but might very well be strong evidence

We all need to hope and pray the article of clothing contains hardcore relevant DNA from Shawn (not secondary transfer......), preferably something like semen splatter or his fingerprint splattered with her blood

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 4:16 pm

Agreed. And the weak case is EXACTLY what defense attorneys count on.

I do hope and pray that whatever was found leads to closure for Hailey - both with a decent burial for her AND that justice is served.

Texas Anon

MeagIn Manhattan said...

Welcome - - - Pointhunter!!! :-)

Dee said...

Ladyluck WI said...
I have been trying to keep up with comments ever since pointhunter first came to the blog. Everyone is speculating about the clothing and chance that this is a young lady. Unless I missed something, (which is possible) I thought we concluded the reason why there’s a good chance it’s a young lady was due to the size/shape of the skull. Not necessarily due to the type of clothing found? Is that just something everyone kind of assumed or is there a reason we are assuming the clothing points to being a young lady?

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Ladyluck...Of course, I'm speculating at this point but this is why I feel it may be clothing that is related to a girl or young lady. On one of the other posts Peter made a point of asking what she was supposedly wearing when reported missing,(why? He's been covering this long enough to know the answer to that). He then answered his own question further down. I got the impression the clothes were important. The other thing that makes me think it's clothing (particularly female clothing) is what pointhunter said (the other evidence part in particular)...

"pointhunter said...
To ABC:
I do feel that the remains are that of a female. The Skull was a little smaller as were the teeth.
The eye sockets were more rounded than a male skull.
There was other evidence that I can not discuss, that also lead me to belive that the remains were female.

As to the Identity I can not say. I just know that DNA will be easy to find."

Anonymous said...

It must be panties of which DNA might remain.

~ABC said...

"The article of clothing is said to be that of a young person's, found near the remains, and that as previously reported, there would not be difficulty in identifying DNA from the scene."

To me, this isn't saying the DNA will come from the article of clothing. The clothing and the ease of getting DNA from the scene are 2 issues.

pointhunter said...

ABC

You are correct, thank you.

~ABC said...

Thank you Pointhunter and you're welcome. :)

I wish I could come up with an epic question for you right now! But I'm still stuck on that interviewer asking the breathing question. lol

Just waitin' said...

Pointhunter..

Do you think the perp/perps were familiar with the area the body was found? More so than just a quick place to hide a body? Whoever hid the body knew it would be safe?

curiouserandcuriouser said...

I am trying to keep up with all of the comments regarding this case but as you know, it's quite difficult.


Has the following been covered?
I’m curious to know from Pointhunter in particular, since he found the remains, but others as well:


Did it seem as if/are you of the theory that these remains that were finally found are ones that dug up/dragged out by wildlife/natural elemental causes over time? Basically, do you feel that the entire body was once in this location and now, only a small part remains (remember, we aren't working with a lot when it comes to the remains, though I know it doesn't take a lot with technology today) OR did/does it seem as if the remains were at a different location and these were scattered there either by animals or weather?


(Or alternately, because the body was dismembered and this is where part of the remains were placed? I can see Shawn Adkins enjoying this from a bloodlust perspective.)

TYIA

Anonymous said...

To CurioserandCurioser:

Pointhunter would be the best authority on this, but it is my understanding that the body is believed to have first been dumped in the lake. With Texas' drought conditiona, the lake has dried up to some degree, thus exposing the body.

Whether or not the body was then dragged by animals to where it was finally found is, at least as far as I know, undetermined.

This is why I was wondering if DNA would wash away over time, considering that the body is believed to have first been in a lake where DNA could possibly wash away.

I have heard it said that in most drownings, evidence of foul play is often hard to come by.

Dee said...

"Pointhunter would be the best authority on this, but it is my understanding that the body is believed to have first been dumped in the lake. With Texas' drought conditiona, the lake has dried up to some degree, thus exposing the body."

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Locals, I believe including pointhunter, said the area where the remains were found was never under water, even before the drought. If I am remembering what was said correctly, pointhunter said the remains weren't buried, he wasn't of the opinion it was dismembered remains - he believes they were at one point intact but had been scattered by wildlife. I believe another local said there have been problems with an over abundance of wild hogs in the area.

pointhunter said...
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Craig White said...

Fuck off hoed out rapist lubbock fbi and their slaves