Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Hailey Dunn Case: Bring Them Home Radio March 2011

"The important thing for people to know is stop slandering me"  
The police affidavit reported change of story.  Here is a transcript from March 2, 2011.  Statement Analysis is in bold type. 


Billie Jean Dunn speaks on Bring Them Home Now - BlogTalkRadio - March 2, 2011 - Transcript

Part 1 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/03/bring-them-home-now--exclusive-billy-dunn-speaks-out-maybe-for-the-last-time

[Timestamp 7:40]

Host: Hi Billie, how are you

BJD: Hi, I'm all right

Host: please speak up a little bit.

BJD: okay

Host: We've been watching in the news. There's been some information about some things found on the computer and a thumb drive. Can you tell me what was found on that computer?

BJD: umm.. I did see some of the images because I asked to. umm.. The computer wasn't mine, wasn't in my house but I was still allowed to see some of it. There was pornography on there - adult, and there was sickening stuff on there. There was bestiality on there.  umm.. and again, that was not my computer. I don't have a computer. The thumb drive, when they took that out of the home, that was the first time I had seen that umm.. They told me it was found in Shawn's dresser, so I said okay it must be Shawn's, and then Friday umm.. when I asked them if I could see some stuff, I, I don't know everything that was on that. But I do know myself, and Shawn: and our private lives in the bedroom. We were on there. I do know that. Umm.. And like I said, I don't know of anything else.


Note the difference between "house" and "home"

The computer was not in her "house"  (my house)
The thumb drive was taken out of the "home"  (the home)
Note that she clarifies the "pornography" with the word "adult."  The reader should question why the need to clarify the pornography as "adult" and look for child pornography as withheld information. 
"and there was sickening stuff on there" may be the withheld information. 

Note that she asked to see "some stuff"; she does not know "everything" which indicates that she may know much. 

"And like I said, I don't know of anything else" is to say to stop the flow of information; there is no purpose to asking any more questions.  She has told all:  "pornography, adult", bestiality and "our private lives in the bedroom" is all she knows. 

Is this truthful?  Is this all she knows?  When someone wishes the flow of information to cease, it is an indicator that there is more information to be obtained.  It is difficult for someone to say "I don't know anything else" when it is unknown what the interviewer might ask.  This sentence raises the suspicion:  does she know more?  We do not have to wait to find out.  

Host: Okay And when you say out of the home which are you speaking?

BJD: I'm sorry


Please note that this is the first time that the words "I'm sorry" enter her vocabulary

Host: You said taken out of the home.

BJD: Yeah the thumb drive was.

Host: Who's home are you talking of?

BJD: Mine that was at my house. It was in Shawn's dresser.


Note that pornography taken out was from "my house" with the additional information of "Shawn's dresser"

Host: Did you see any child porn?

BJD: No, not on that one. Then, I didn't look at all the images either, but I did not.

Host: You didn't see any child porn on that. Did you see any child porn? 

BJD: I saw an image from the computer. Yeah.

Host: On what computer? 

BJD: The one that wasn't in my house. I've said it before, but I don't really want to point fingers at her. I don't believe she was looking at it either

Host: I'm confused. You say her, who is she?

BJD: The lady's computer.

Host: Okay, got it. What is a thumb drive? 

BJD:  umm.. I'm not real sure myself umm.. So I don't mess around with computers. It's apparently like a memory stick. You can download images onto that and save pictures onto that. And I guess just plug it into any computer.

Host: In the news, they are saying that person may be Shawn's mother?

BJD: Yeah.

Host: Can you describe Shawn for us? 


This is a good question and allows the subject to choose her own words and her own priority:

BJD: Shawn's always been really good to me. The Shawn that I know has treated me very well. He's treated the kids well. We've had arguments but he's never been physically abusive toward me. He's treated me better than anyone else had. He's done a lot for me


1.  Note that first in her priority:  Shawn's always been really good to her. 
2.  The Shawn I know indicates that there is a Shawn she does not know. 
3.  He's treated the kids well. 

Note the difference between how he has been towards her (mentioned first, as priority) compared to the kids:

To her:  "always been really good"
To kids:  "well"

Note that Shawn was never physically abusive to her.  These leads to two questions:

Was he abusive to her other than physical abuse?
Was he physically abusive to another?

Note that in her answer to the question to describe Shawn Adkins, the subject uses the word "me" five times. 
Host: Can you describe Hailey for us?

BJD: Hailey is bubbly. She is loud. She's a blast to be around. She catches her attitude sometimes but for the most part she is a really good kid, very smart, just very fun, she likes to have fun, we like making each other and other people laugh. We like to laugh around here. We haven't been able to do much of that. 


Note subtle disparagement of victim:  "catches her attitude sometimes"
Note that "we" is used about making each other and people laugh, and "we" like to laugh around "here"; 

who is "we"?

The question is asked because "we haven't been able to do much of that" with the key word "much"

Host: Describe your home life for me?

BJD: Right now or before Hailey went missing? 

Host: before

BJD:  umm.. I, I thought and I had even told some family, that my life was finally on track. It was finally perfect. umm..  I had a good relationship with Shawn, we had a good relationship with the kids, we were able to get em what they wanted for Christmas. We were able to go on trips umm.. Everybody had just been getting along well for the past six months before Hailey went and disappeared, before she disappeared. And I just really thought my life was finally good.

Note hyperbole of "perfect"

Note the blame:  "everybody had just been getting along well...before Hailey went and disappeared"   This is a strong indication that what caused Hailey to disappear, in the mind of the subject, is Hailey's fault.  

Host Was CPS involved with your family?

BJD: No, they weren't before.

Host: Are they now?

BJD: Well, I take that back. ehem. They were and then they were quickly dismissed everything. Clint was upset because David marked on himself with something I had brought home from the hospital in my pocket. And it's like, It looks like a match stick but it will stain your skin and Clint called for that reason. I called on him for other reasons. So, I'm sorry about that. 


Note that "David marked on himself" with something she brought home "in my pocket"
Clint reported that she had stolen medical equipment and that the subject burned a home made tattoo of "tap out" on David's shoulder.  Here, she blames David.
Note the additional words "in my pocket" suggests more than just bringing something home, but theft. 
Note her retaliatory remark:  "I called on him"

Note the second time the subject has used the words "I'm sorry"
Host: Did they ever interview Hailey? 

BJD: Yep they did. They interviewed both of the children and myself and Clint and people in his family at his house and they found that nothing was wrong in our home. 


Note that it is not "my home" but "our" home when "nothing was wrong"

Host: How often did they interview Hailey?


The host is seeking to learn how many times child protective services investigated the subject

BJD: They only interviewed her once I believe, once or maybe twice.

Host: Do you know where Hailey is?


This is an important question which is a "yes" or "no" question.  The proper answer is "no" and if asked why she should be believed, the proper response is "I told you the truth."

For a deceptive answer, we will view if any words follow the denial of "no" with each word being important and weakening the response: 
BJD: No, I sure wish I did. She's my daughter. I just need my daughter home. I mean I get really tired of people running their mouths the way that they do. She's my daughter. She's not.. We all care about missing children and we all owe it to missing children to care about em to look for em. But she's my daughter. I want her home. I didn't get enough years with her. I want somebody to find my daughter. I can't do it by myself and I just want everybody to be looking for her. I want investigators to find her. I want her found. 


We take note of every word after the word "no"
Please note that "I wish I did" is weak as it is unnecessary to say.  What mother would need to say that she "wishes" she knew where her child was?
Yet, she does not say "I wish I did" which is weak, but weakens it even further with the emphasis of "I sure wish I did"

For the mother of a missing child to need to say she "wishes" is unnecessary and weak, but to "sure" wish is to weaken it even further. 
Note that she does not get "really tired" searching, but gets "really tired" from people "running their mouths"
It is difficult to understand why a mother would care for anything but what her daughter is going through while missing, yet she cares about peoples' words. 
Note the change from "I" to "we" as further weakening of the assertion. 

Note the change from "my daughter" to the weaker "we all care" and from Hailey to "missing children" in general.  This indicates a desire to water down the highly personal missing daughter to a general audience.  This is the opposite of personal and is to change her acutely personal event to a wider, non personal tragedy.  This distancing language is both unexpected and extreme, and attempts to portray herself as caring about children in general:  it is this need to portray that is note worthy. 

Note the order of progression:

She wants "somebody" to find her daughter
She wants "everybody" to be looking for her.  Hailey's father complained that she refused to help search. 
She wants "investigators" to find her daughter

Note the repeated theme "I want her found" as unnecessary.  Via repetition, it is sensitive.  Why would finding Hailey be sensitive?

Host: Do you think Shawn, might know where Hailey is?

This is another "yes" or "no" question in which we view every word after the response of "no" as important: 

BJD: um I don't. I never believed that but I don't really know, I don't know anything anymore. I hope not. I didn't see it in him but maybe there's a lot of things I didn't know about him. 


"I don't" is not a full sentence.  Yet, if it is a denial to the question, we now look at every word that follows it. 
"Never" does not mean "do not"
"but" refutes or challenges what preceded it.  
She does not "really" know.  When we say "I don't know" it is different than when we say "I don't really know", with the word "really" indicating that we do have some information. 

Note that "I don't know anything anymore" indicates that she did know at one time, but not "anymore"; this should cause investigators to learn if Shawn moved the body. 
Note again the use of "but" refuting or challenging her own denial. 

Host: What makes you say that now? 

BJD:  umm.. Because of the computer and I don't know who looked at that and who did not and until that's proved to me, I can't risk believing anything he says. I know they'll be able to find who looked at it whenever dates and times come back.


Note that the subject sought to blame Shawn Adkins' mother regarding the child pornography. 
She does not know who "did not" look at it.  This is not a usual way of speaking, and may suggest that she knows more about who did look, than who did not.  Who did not is an infinite number, making it the unexpected. 
Host: Do you know any reason why Shawn would hurt Hailey?

BJD: Umm.. No, they'd been getting along, but I can't see why anybody would want to hurt her.


Note "but" in contrast to her denial that preceded it.  Why would the word "but" be here?  Why would there be any need to contradict, minimize or refute not knowing why someone might do this?  This is a critical point for her. 

Host: Do you believe what the police are telling you about Shawn?

BJD: Uh, yeah, I do now.

Host: Can you tell us what the police are telling you about Shawn?


Police sought to have BJD stay away from Shawn Adkins thinking early on that she may have feared him.  She often reported that she was listening to police and staying away from him while she was actually with him, to the point of lying directly to police, hiding him in her home. 

BJD: Oh, well, they just tell, giving me their theories why he was named a  suspect. Just, you know, he was the last person to see her, he had about an hour alone with her before my son and his friend got here, he quit his job Monday. So it's, it's things like that.

Host: Are you sure nothing happened in that house between Shawn and Hailey?

BJD:  umm.. I'm not 100% sure anymore. I know nothing was found here, but I'm still not 100% sure. A lot of my feelings have changed just since this weekend. I've really been standing behind him and believing that he's the person I always knew he was, but I just have a little bit of doubt now, you've gotta, I don't know if there's some doubt there how do you stand behind em.

Host: The Sunday before Hailey went missing. What happened in your house?


Follow the pronouns: 

BJD:  umm.. We had, I cooked Christmas dinner for us four only, because Saturday we went to everybody's house. So Sunday Hailey came.  Saturday night she spent the night with Clint. So Sunday. She got to the house and we she I guess she came home around sometime around lunch and then we ate around two o'clock. I think. Pretty early in the afternoon, it was done. And then… nothin. We sat around and watched TV. We didn't go anywhere umm.. Just hung out with each other and watched movies. David had got a new connect, an Xbox connect, so he and Hailey played around with that for a little bit.


Note the order, Christmas dinner, Saturday, Sunday, Saturday night, Sunday. 

Host: Did something happen with Shawn in your house that Sunday?

BJ. No

Host: So everything was fine with Hailey and Shawn ?

BJD. Yes

Host: Did Hailey have a hard time breathing?

BJD. No

Host: We have some information that Shawn has had an affair…

BJD. Yeah, umm..  I heard that too

Host: Tell us about that.


There is an opportunity for the subject to speak about any discord that has taken place in the house.  The host is looking for stressors that often come just prior to criminal acts. 

This is about having an "affair"
BJD. Some of the pictures were of other women. So he finally admitted to that. He can't really admit why he did it, other than he had trust issues with me. He said he didn't completely trust me either.  umm.. And I don't know. He's just hoping that I will forgive him for it, but there's much more going on.


Note "affair" is not addressed, but evidence of affairs, plural, with "pictures" and they were "other" women, also plural.  "so, he finally admitted to that" indicates a disagreement or argument (fight?) prior.  The affair is singular, but women is plural.  Who are these "women" and would this include the victim? 
He "finally
Host: Do you know how many other women there are? 

BJD. No, that's, I don't.

Host: There are also rumors out there that Shawn is sending naked pictures of himself to other women?

BJD. I don't know. And again, I had heard. I don't know.


[Timestamp 23:16]


Host: Billie there a lot of women out there who have chosen bad men. This is not your fault. 

BJ. I know

Host: Billie, have you spoken to Shawn today?

BJD.  umm.. No. He texted me this morning.

Host: I'm really confused with your relationship with Shawn, right now. 

BJD. We're not together anymore

Host when was the last time you saw Shawn? 

BJD. Physically saw him was Friday. Last Friday. 

Host: Last time we had you on the show you seemed very unemotional and you've really broken down a lot since then. This is starting to weigh very heavily on you.

BJD. It just seems to get tougher sometimes. I mean it's always been very bad and very hard but it definitely doesn't get any easier.

Host: What did you say was on the thumb drive and the computer? 

BJD. The computer had some bestiality on it. It did have a child porn picture. umm..  It did have other adult porn on it and I told em I didn't want to see anymore. It's disgusting. It hurts my feelings for the little kids. It pisses me off that people would do that to children and on the thumb drive were Shawn and I and there were also other women on there.

Host: These other women were they with him?

BJD. They were just pictures of them, of the women, only.

Host: Does Shawn like to videotape a lot of things? 

BJD.  umm.. I guess so.

<Host asks listeners to remove children from the room and reads a description of bestiality.>

Host so bestiality, that is the pictures you saw on either the computer or the thumb drive?

BJD. Yeah, on the computer.

Host: Can you explain what you saw? 

BJD.  umm.. No, it was very disgusting and I glanced. I did not want to look. I wanted to know what was on their but it was hard to look at.

Host: Did you see the computer or the thumb drive

BJD. I saw images from both

Host: And how were those obtained?


Looking to see if the subject gave these things voluntarily or if police needed to get a search warrant.  When a child goes missing, it is the expectation that the parents cooperate. 

BJD.  umm.. They were obtained from a computer and a thumb drive that was in my house law enforcement were able to show me what they found on there.

Host: Were the obtained through a search warrant?

BJD. Oh, umm..  yes.

Host: Why did they obtain a search warrant?

BJD. Because Hailey was missing. They needed to come search the house, take anything that they needed or wanted for any kind of evidence. So they took that thumb drive, they took Hailey's school flash drive also. They took her bed sheets. They took Shawn's mask he had been collecting. They took a poster from my bedroom. They took the true crime stories.

[Timestamp 30:15]

Host: Please talk about your love of horror movies and true crime?

BJD. Okay, I don't think I know one person who hasn't watched a horror film. Um yeah. I enjoyed them. I watch horror films and I watch comedies and that is about it. I have a large collection of both, mostly comedies but I watch horror films also. I read the true crime stories. They, they're just interesting to me. I can't understand a serial killer's mind. I can't understand it. It intrigues me. I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange.

Host: Millions of people watch these movies, correct?

BJD. Yes

Host: There is another woman Shawn has been having an affair with and she's been bragging about it all over the Internet, what do you want to say to her?

BJD.  umm.. I knew about her  umm.. No I don't think it's been going on anymore. It was a sexual thing. When we were split up last year, or during the summer umm.. Err I know he's asked her to leave him alone and I don't really have anything to say to the girl. Umm.. I wouldn't be proud of myself if I were her.

Host: Why did it take you two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's?

BJD. I don't understand the question. It took me two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's? 

Host: You find out Hailey's missing - Take me through the timeline.

BJD.  umm.. When I found out she was missing, I called my brother, who then got my sister-in-law to give me a ride home from work. Umm.. This is after I had already had David call Mary Beth and Clint to know that she had not been there, to know that she was missing, so when I left work I came straight to the house, seen that Hailey still wasn't here, got my cell phone, started texting her couple of friends that are in there, and then we stopped by one of the friends house and her Granny's house. Then I went to the police station. Umm.. There wasn't any time wasted. It's. Wouldn't be like her not to be at the friends house that she said she was going to be at.


Note that the one person the mother did not call is Hailey.  
She did not call Marybeth.
She did not call Marybeth's mother. 
She instructed her son to make calls, but she, as mother, did not attempt to make contact with her daughter. 
Host: You called David and asked him to call her to come home?

BJD. Yeah, umm..  I called David. I said "Text that little girl and tell Hailey to go ahead and come home now." 


Why not call Hailey?  Why not call "that" little girl?  Why not text her, herself?
Note that the mother made no contact, (no connection) to Hailey, herself, but brought distance in quickly.  Please compare this with her description of seeing Hailey that morning before work"

She "looked like" someone sleeping. 
She "did not" touch her. 
Her mind was in need of easing. 

This distancing is consistent as she kept herself from any contact or connection with Hailey once Hailey was dead.  This continued right through to the next day and the phone connections.  Mother distanced herself from daughter in all means. 
[Timestamp 36:00]

Host: Lead us from there. 

BJD. Within 5 minutes David called me back and said "Mom, she said Hailey wasn't there and Hailey didn't spend the night there." I said "Call your dad see if Hailey's there."  umm.. 


Again, she keeps herself from any contact with Hailey


He let me know that Clint's phone was broken. I told him to walk over there. Clint didn't live very far away. Back then,  umm.. So David walked over there, called me back and said no, Hailey wasn't there, either, and she didn't spend the night there either. I told him turn around go back to your dad's and let me talk to him. 

I got on the phone with Clint, who told me "No, Hailey's not there." I said "all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to go to the police station and report her missing you call the police station and give them a heads-up. But I will go file the report and everything. 


Note that mother did not make any attempts to contact daughter.  
Note order:  "I'm coming home."  "I'm going to the police station and report her missing"
Then she got him involved by telling him to call to give them a "heads up"
She wants to make sure that she is the one who makes the report, even though she has been making David make all attempts at contact with Hailey. 
 umm.. then that's when I called my brother tell them I needed a ride home and he got my sister-in-law to come and get me and bring me to the house and I got the cell phone, text a couple of her friends, stopped by their house, went to the police station, reported her missing, umm.. I got back home…One of the officers came over was still talking to me at my house. David came in and said "Mom, Shawn called the phone." I told him what was going on. He said he's on way home. So Shawn got there and, I mean, the rest of the day that's where my nightmare begins. I just sat on the couch dumbfounded not really knowing what to think.

Host: Why didn't you check with Shawn to see if she was going to Mary Beth's?


This is at the point of of the "nightmare" beginning:  she is asked why she would not check with Shawn

BJD. I already did Shawn told me the day before on Monday when I said "What are the kids doing?" and he said, "Hailey went to spend the night with Mary Beth."


The subject goes to the day before her nightmare begins. 

Host: How did you know to tell the police what she was wearing the day she disappeared?

BJD. Cuz Shawn saw her. Shawn saw her before she left the house

Host: But couldn't she have been wearing some of Mary Beth clothes?

BJD. Not when he saw her.


This will prove important in the case if/when the remains are found:  the remains may have the clothing she was reportedly wearing the night before. 

Host: How long after you found out Hailey was missing, did you speak to Shawn?

BJD. It was a while. It was probably three or four hours umm.. It was because Shawn. I know I needed to let them know. But he wasn't my priority I had to look for my daughter. So I was looking for her and talking with police when he called my cell phone. And David let him know what was going on. Then he came home.


Note that this is a very sensitive statement as she gives her reason why with "because", yet:

1.  She has broken sentences which indicates self-censoring, or missing information.
2.  Note in the negative as very important:  "he wasn't my priority" as sensitive.  Was he, indeed?  Or, is it sensitive because she, herself, was her top priority, and this is linked to him?
3. "I had to look for my daughter.  So I was looking for her", is unnecessary, making it very important.  "Looking" for one's own missing child is not something that should have sensitivity attached to it.  It is natural and expected and should not even need to be said, but it is sensitive to her. 
Note that she wants it known that "he called"

This question about talking to Shawn is very very sensitive to Billie Dunn and it is the cell phone records and pings that we are going to learn about in the trial.  

Note that he called, but "David" let him know:  She is deliberately distancing herself from Shawn Adkins during this critical period of time, via cell phone.  

Why?

"Then he came home" with the word "then" being completely unnecessary indicating a jump in time. 

In an interview, it would be this time period that is jumped over in which effort would be focused.  Something happened, during this time period, via cell phone, that she does not want the audience to know about. 
Host: Billie, why you think you failed the polygraph? 


This is an opportunity for her to say "I told the truth" 

1. The pronoun "I" is something she has used millions of times in life and is good at
2.  Told is past tense
3.  Truth is plain and easy to say.

Will she be able to bring herself to say it?

BJD  umm..  I think it was because of anti-anxiety medication,  umm.. Also, I know that you're now that you're now, that you should not be interrogated right before, right before a polygraph you should not be told horrible was stressful news right before a polygraph either.


She blames the medication
She blames the polygraphed. 
She blames the timing.
She blames the stress.

She does not blame herself for not telling the truth, nor does she assert, "I told the truth."
Host: Were you told this after you failed the polygraph that this might have… Hampered?


One must always be careful how a question is worded as it might teach the subject how to lie:

BJD. Yes

Host: Are you willing to take another polygraph?

BJD. I am. At first I was dead set against it because, you know , I failed, I failed one when I had no reason to, when I was absolutely, positively I would pass it. But I will take another one.  umm.. By, of course, by somebody completely different somebody who knows the procedure, knows how to, you know, perform it, and and make me feel comfortable. Yeah.


Here is where Billie Dunn chooses her own words to describe failing the polygraph.  This is where it is expected she would say "I failed the polygraph but I told the truth."

She is unable or unwilling to bring herself to say so.  She can say that she had "no reason to" and then makes the sensitive "absolutely, positively" "would" pass it. 

If this portion of her answer does not convince someone of deception, I don't think that anything could.  There is nothing else to say here, as an answer, other than "I told the truth" but she cannot say so.  

Host: What would make you feel comfortable with that?

BJD.  umm.. Just To go over the questions which they were gone over before, I would like to do it now when I'm not as stressed as I was that day, that moment.  umm.. But I would like to take another polygraph umm.. So that I know none of Hailey's precious time is being wasted on me. I would feel comfortable just to get to know the polygrapher a little bit, not not even well, but, just for him to help me feel relaxed or she help me to feel relaxed and comfortable and confident. 


She did not take a new polygraph.  She will be asked:

1.  Is your name Billie?
2.  Do you know what happened to Hailey?
3.  Did you cause Hailey to go missing?
4.  Are you telling the truth?
5.  Did you harm or kill Hailey?
6.  Do you know where Hailey is?

For an innocent person, these are not questions one must take drugs before in order to pass, nor are these questions any that need time to think or prepare.  

She failed the polygraph because she did not tell the truth.  

It is to be expected that a parent of a missing child will be stressed out, but asking the innocent parent if they know what happened will not increase the stress. 

She will do it "now" when she is not so stressed as she was "that" day.

The questions will be the same.  

The machinery will be the same. 

She would, however, want to get to know the polygrapher "a little bit" before hand.  If the polygrapher is someone she can "get to know" (whatever that means in her internal subjective personal dictionary) and she feels that he, himself (yes, I assume male) believes her to be innocent, she thinks she can pass the test. 

How should this have been handled?

Bring in a handsome group of polygraphers and have her meet them, one by one, privately, asking them questions and let her hand-pick which one it will be. 

Give her the list of 6 questions to be asked and let her go over the answers in her mind.  Let her take home the 6 questions and think about them.  Let her do anything and everything she wants. 

She will still fail the polygraph and she will find a way to blame someone, or something.  She will not be able to say, "But I told the truth!"


Host: Do you love Shawn?

BJD. Ya, of course.

Host: Now that's gonna really upset a lot of people that you said that.

BJD. umm.. I just can't help it that I still love him right now. I can't turn off my feelings easily umm.. We've been together nearly 3 years. So he was a big part of my life.


The calloused answer is such a terrible insult to Hailey that the host could not refrain herself: 

Host: How can you let Shawn around yourself or David when he's the only suspect in the disappearance of Hailey?

BJD.  umm.. Because I very much trusted him. Very. Much. He's not around anymore just because of other reasons. And like I said, I do have a little bit of doubt now, so I can't let him be around. I can't stand behind him if I'm not 100% sure that he's innocent.


Even the cheating, affairs, porn, etc did not convince her, but the host appealed to the status of "suspect", which did not move her. 

Dunn cannot fully and finally ever separate herself from Adkins unless it comes down to one testifying against the other.  This is why she continues to use the word "we" in her statements concerning him.

She does not say "I broke up with him" which has "I" and "him" as far apart as can be. It is "we broke up"

Host: Is the only other reason the women that you see or the child pornography or the bestiality?

BJD. Yeah, and just talking with investigators more that believe he might've had something to do with it


The "other women", child pornography and bestiality  is affirmed first  and, thrown in lastly, is Hailey, or, as she says "something to do with it"...the word "it" is used.  

She has portrayed the relationship as broken up, apart, and not together and not in communication. This question was thrown out to catch her:


Host: Now Billie, what did you say to Shawn today?

BJD.  umm.. I'd just let him know that I need to be alone with family. I'd need time to myself so can't work things out if I don't, if I don't have answers and we can't work things out at all. It's not even a question. He knows that.


Note where in her sentence the word "we" comes in. 

[Timestamp 46:40]


the host wanted more clarity: 

Host: What do you intend to do with Shawn from this day forward?

BJD.  umm.. I just really don't have any plans,  umm.. I need answers. If I don't have answers, I can't continue, I can't continue to be with him like he wants. He can tell me all he wants that, you know, I'm not like that, you know, it wasn't me, but until I'm 100% sure on some things, I don't have any plans with him. 


This is her language, yet she says he can "tell me he's not like that" and not "he can tell me he didn't do it"

If you were in her shoes, would you rather hear, "I didn't do it" instead of "I'm not like that"?
Host: Are you going to say you're not going to be with him until Hailey is found?


this was very important to one of the hosts who believed that she was truthful about being broken up with him, while she was actually with him. 

BJD. I'm not going to be with him.


She did not say "I am not with him" 
Was this when he was seated next to her for the program?
Host: I want you to be clear that from this day until Hailey is found -tell me in your own words?


The host wanted a promise that the mother of Hailey Dunn would not be with the suspect until Hailey is found.  

For a guilty subject, Hailey is not going to be found, so she must change the wording before she commits to a promise like that:  
BJD. Until Hailey is found, until it's proven to me that he had nothing to do with her disappearance, it's proven to me that he did not look at the child pornography and it's proven to me that he is not gonna cheat on me, then I will not be with him. There are several reasons, and the girl who's bragging -have at it.

Like a junior high school sociopath in training:


1  until Hailey is found" is not enough. She has other conditions:
2.  it is proven that he had nothing to do with it
3.  it is proven that he did not look at the child porn.  Wouldn't you think it would be more about not downloading it rather than looking at it??
4.  he's not going to cheat on me

Then, while her 13 year old daughter is missing, she issues her junior high adolescent challenge:

"to the girl's who's bragging, have at it."

I apologize to all the junior high school girls reading this now who are mature, serious about school and do not fit this description.  

Keep in mind, this is supposed to be an innocent mother looking for her daughter yet still getting involved in juvenile peripheral matters?  Does anyone think a mother of a missing child cares, in the least about anything but her child??
Host: If I got information that he was still having an affair with somebody right now. If he was chatting with somebody on myspace within the last 24 hours. What would you say to that? 



BJD. I don't have anything to say to it.


not, "have at it" again?


Host: People say that you have put your children in danger by bringing a killer, a monster into your home. Tell me what you feel about it?


Seeking to get an unequivocal answer from her about Shawn Adkins is not something that will be successful.  She wants to blame him to clear herself, but fears blaming him will get him to blame her. 

BJD. Okay  umm.. , No He's not around right now. But no I did not bring a killer around my children or put my children in danger. Why would I?. Why would any sane person do that? And again I have doubts about him and he's not here. He's not around me. He's not around my children.


Note "right now" may have been while he sat next to her. 

Note questions within a statement may indicate that the subject is questioning herself, contemplating. 

"Why would any sane person do that?" is to hear Billie Dunn question her own mental health status.  


119 comments:

pointhunter said...

"It's apparently like a memory stick. You can download images onto that and save pictures onto that. And I guess just plug it into any computer."

Ok she says its apparently... sound like she is trying to convince the host that she just found out what a thumb drive was.

Then goes on to say and I guess .. once again trying to show ignorance of how it works.
She is building her alibi concerning the child porn.

Anonymous said...

She also said in this interview that SA was good to her.

But . . . the police were called out to break up an altercation between her (BJD and SA) shortly before Hailey went missing.

BJD doesn't know the truth when it's staring at her in the face.

Texas Anon

Dee said...

pointhunter...For someone new to this, you're picking up on it rather quickly. Nice catch.

~ABC said...

Host: Did Hailey have a hard time breathing?

BJD. No


What?? Where did that come from. This question is out of left field. What did I miss?

pointhunter said...

ABC

I agree that seems way off the conversation?

~ABC said...

Yeah. I am unaware of any basis for that question. AND Billie's unusually short answer makes it even more odd. It's what I call a "hit and run question". Normally I would be able to envision an alternate conversation and see where that could fit, but I can find nooo basis for it at all.

Peter, someone, hellllp :)

Also the placement of that question. In the context of the interviewer getting a feel for the mood in the house that Sunday afternoon and evening.

john said...

ABC,

I cant see any reason for the question,it just comes out of the blue,and then past over.there is no lead up question or follow up question to suggest were she was going with it...

Could it be a Typo?

~ABC said...

Was Hailey Asthmatic? Is it known that she had been sick? If the interviewer is looking for possibly stressors, how does that question fit? It seems there is background info that only the interviewer and Billie are aware.

Maria said...

The breathing question sounds like someone who might be hoping that this was an accident. Hailey having a health problem that caused her to die and the parents panicked and tried to cover up. The moment I read it I thought of SIDS and how that might have been a fitting question for a much younger child. Maybe the host was not convinced of any foul play and wanted to find something alleviating?

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Lemon said...

John, it is not a typo.

elf said...

YES! THIS IS THE INTERVIEW I WAS TALKING ABOUT! THANK YOU PETER:)

Anonymous said...

That question could have come from the chatroom and the host picked it out. It was due to BD having said she was looking for a living breathing Hailey. Everyone who was following the case was talking about it.

~ABC said...

Hi John :)

I've wracked my brain with how that could be a typo or a misplaced question that belongs somewhere else in the conversation, but even so it is odd. I see no other place in the entire conversation where this could fit.

Also, the question before and the one after got a one-word response, but the next one regarding Shawn's ahemm indescretions starts the words rolling from Billie's mouth again.

Lemon said...

The question did not come from the chatroom.

Maria said...

"Do you know where your daughter is?"

Peter says that this is a yes or no question but when I read it I imagined myself in a situation where my daughter would be missing for months and after multiple interviews and interrogations, yet another person asks if I know where my daughter is. I would be frustrated and wouldn't stop on a simple no. I would probably say that if I knew where she was I wouldn't be asking for the police to find her and go on all sorts of shows and ask for people to search. Isn't it normal to say more than just a simple no espesially considering the emotional load of such a case?

Anonymous said...

Lemon, then she may have had her questions ready. But the living breathing Hailey that BD talked about was being discussed by everyone. The breathing part was of interest. It may have been highlighted here in statement analysis.

Anonymous said...

BJD states that she believes what the police are telling her about SA. But still goes on to defend him and wants to be 100% sure of things before she lets him back in her life. This makes no sense. Also when questioned about why police needed a search warrant she completely redirects it by saying what they took. What strikes me as something sensitive is the fact that she feels the need to say that they took Hailey's thumb drive as well.

Anonymous said...

No, I seem to recall that this was related to BJD's statement that she wanted to find a "living BREATHING" Hailey.

I don't recall allt he specifics, but I do recall that everyone wondered why this question was so out of line with all the other questions.

Texas Anon

Trigger said...

What bothers me the most is that BJ never once picked up a phone and called Hailey or Mary Beth.

Once I came home and found out that my 14 year-old daughter had gone to a friends home without my permission.
I called the friend and asked to speak to her mother. I told her friend's mother that I was picking up my daughter in 5 minutes and she needed to have her stuff ready to go.
The mother started to make excuses for my daughter. I was not impressed.
My next comment was: Do I need to call the police and have them pick up my daughter?
The answer was, "No"

~ABC said...

Hi Anon @ 5:27

IMO that question should have evoked a completely different response from Billie. It should have put her on the defense instantly. The question and the answer are completely unexpected unless there is background info unknown to us but known to them and I really don't think that's the case. I think the interviewer knew exactly what she was asking and Billie slipped up!!!

~ABC said...

I should have said, And Billie lost a few marbles....

pointhunter said...

I mean I get really tired of people running their mouths the way that they do. She's my daughter. She's not.. We all care about missing children...\

Shes not.. ? Shes not waht? She could not even say shes not dead.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Billy was present for the murder of Hailey. Or even part of the premeditation. It seems hard to believe that she saw her dead body lying in her bed --- it eased her concern -- and then she went through all these steps to fake a dissapearance and protect her bf for the crime. How could he expect her to be so "cool". Even if he knows she's in love with him and already forgiven him other offences. Murder of her own daughter -- you never can count on somebody falling in line with that after the fact. Had she not already been involved in the actual murder surely he would have hid the murder from her - as a precaution to save his ass and then gaslight-ed her away from any suspicion. But she's the brains behind the operation of the coverup. Perhaps the murder was HER idea. Thirteen year-old Hailey was her romantic rival in her eyes -- what is a more classic motive than that. The bf was surely molesting Hailey -- perhaps violently -- but the motive to get rid of hailey -- seems to me is at least equally shared between them.

~ABC said...

Yes Pointhunter. Billie finds it incredibly difficult to tell direct lies. She's of the bob and weave variety.

TrishapatK said...

Regarding Billie's use of the word breathing is saying that she wants a "living, breathing Hailey" - couldn't that stem from her recollection of the moment when she realized that Hailey was not breathing- the moment when she realized her daughter was dead?
Regardless of her involvement Billie must have had an "Oh NOooooo" moment when she realized that and wished that Hailey would start breathing again.
That may be a true statement coming from Billie's mouth - even though it is way too late for that to be a possibility. Billie probably still wishes it was possible and that is what she wants - even though she knows it isn't possible.
I realize that this doesn't help with knowing why the interviewer would ask Billie that question - unless the interviewer has learned something about Statment Analysis!

Lemon said...

"So many people told me they were not going to stop looking until she's home," she said. "I'm still looking for a living, breathing Hailey and I don't want people to lose sight of that. I want everybody to continue looking for my daughter living." - Billie Jean Dunn

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=333796

john said...

Could it be possible that the interview was edited and the breathing question slipped through,giving it the appearance that it doesn't fit overall..?

Anonymous said...

""I'm still looking for a living, breathing Hailey""

From the same person who stated live on local Texas news that she refused to search for Hailey and in the same breath demanded that others continue to search for Hailey

If I remember correctly her attorney John Young was sitting by her side during that local news interview

I refuse to search for Hailey but everybody else better continue to search for her

Lemon said...

It was not edited John. The interview happened in real time as per the transcript.

john said...

Thanks Lemon..

Bonnie Blue said...

I thought they asked if HD had trouble breathing because of the report that BD choked her during a fight on Friday night. Supposedly HD said she wanted to go and live with her father. The report came from a friend of HD's at school.

When that interview was being done (I listened to it long ago) I thought the host was fielding questions from ones who were following along? The subject of the choking came up during that time period, and someone was trying to get BD to engage and explain more.

Mouthajar said...

Isn't one of the interviewers a psychic? Unless I'm mixing up cases, I think the question about breathing was from the psychic's ''vision'.

Bonnie Blue said...

PS I do not know which *Friday* it was. There was an article that quoted BD saying that she & HD had a fight, then this happened to HD (as if she felt all the more terrible). Supposedly that is the fight she was referring to.

But, then later, she denied any of it ever happening or being said.

Mouthajar said...

Bee herz advertises she is a psychic medium. She was the one that asked the question. At one time, she posted regularly on a Hailey page. I believe she explained that she had visions of hailey struggling for air.

dahbou said...

Peter's analysis on "living, breathing Hailey" in Nov 2012:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/11/hailey-dunn-elements-of-sexual-homicide.html

Jo said...

Host: On what computer?

BJD: The one that wasn't in my house. I've said it before, but I don't really want to point fingers at her. I don't believe she was looking at it either

In order to be the one that wasn't in her house, wouldn't there have to be one that "was" in her house? Or was this computer originally in her house and was moved to Shawn's grandma's house hoping it would be safe there? By stating this in the negative rather than saying where the computer was, it shows it was sensitive to her where the computer was located.

Anonymous said...

living breathing -- does make me think of suffocation. listen to Billy's hate for the woman her bf was with. saying "it was a sexual thing" and "I would be really ashamed if I were her" --- might this be the exact feeling be billy had toward her daughter Hailey?!

Local anon said...

Oh boy can we run down the rabbit trails. I love this site, most of you have more time than I do to apply statement analysis and get get down in the weeds of that. Which I respect and wish I had the time to do. I think the was she breathing question was off the wall and not sufficiently followed up. But I gave to say, my husband has sleep apnea and if he isn't snoring I am awake in the silence fearing he has stopped breathing. So maybe that out of place question was just that. I sure don't know and think it was off the wall. This might be just a rabbit train we are going down.

Trigger said...

"Why would any sane person do that?"

Billie does not talk or live like a sane person. She does a lot of "crazy making" behavior.

Her recreation consists of drug abuse, viewing horror movies, making sex videos, and toying with S & M props. Someplace spaced in between all those bloodlust activities with Shawn, she has a job and children.

I believe that her children are low on her list of values.

Case in point: She never called Mary Beth's house or went to Clint's house (the two places that Shawn said she went to) herself.

According to Nancy Grace and LE, Hailey never left that home alive

~ABC said...

Bonnie Blue said...
"I thought they asked if HD had trouble breathing because of the report that BD choked her during a fight on Friday night"

Hi Bonnie

I remember hearing this. But even if it was about that, the question still seems misplaced. So Billie goes for the throat, huh....

~mj said...

I think the question about breathing was meant to see how BJD would respond, she didn't seem surprised by the question so that makes me wonder. As regards the thumb drive, BJD acted as though she didn't know much about it but when she was listing the things they took in the search she easily referred to Hailey's flash drive. She gave no indication that she didn't know what that was for. In my experience if a person doesn't know what a thumb drive is they wouldn't know what a flash drive was.

Anonymous said...



Trigger said...
"Why would any sane person do that?"

Billie does not talk or live like a sane person. She does a lot of "crazy making" behavior.

Her recreation consists of drug abuse, viewing horror movies, making sex videos, and toying with S & M props. Someplace spaced in between all those bloodlust activities with Shawn, she has a job and children.


I see these comments a lot and wonder where you get the information. I have many documents that I have looked at and cannot find some of this. Was BJD in jail for drugs before Hailey went missing? I think I read that CD was but not BJD? What S&M props were used cause I cant find that either. Tank you Trigger

Peter Hyatt said...

The question about breathing was because the mother of the victim said she was looking for a "living, breathing Hailey"

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

PS:

she wasn't somebody's "play thing"


Billie Dunn has leaked out so much information that a hypothesis was not a challenge.

Anonymous said...

Peter,
Bonnie Blue is correct.
Hailey told a friend of hers that Billie had choked her during Christmas break, before Christmas.
This was well known and circulated before this interview.

This is where the Q! magazine interview of TG comes in, that Hailey did not want to go back home.

Vita said...

Question/Host: Can you tell us what the police are telling you about Shawn?

BJD: Oh, well, they just tell, giving me their theories why he was named a suspect. Just, you know, he was the last person to see her, he had about an hour alone with her before my son and his friend got here, he quit his job Monday. So it's, it's things like that.

oh, well, they, just, tell, giving me, their theories, just, you know, (mouse wheel turning, think think, think)* he was (not is) the last person to see her.

Was BJD attempting within her response answer, that LE informed her? that Adkins was the last person to see Hailey? they, tell, giving me, just, you know, their theories of why he *was*, not *is* a suspect. She attempting to scramble and minimize.

She flips. She from obtuse to then add a directive. Her added, " he had about an hour alone with her before my son and his friend got here"
---
(4) incomplete thoughts in one run on sentence.

he was the last person to see her, and ( nothing)
he had about an hour alone with her, and (nothing)
before my son and his friend got here, and (nothing)
and, (nothing) he quit his job Monday = dropped preposition

This is not her affirming, all is innuendo, mixed with tattle, posturing, distancing her from the subject of the question. Which is, what is her relationship with Police, what they have told her about Adkins.

This is sensitive to her, as she was more than likely, NOT in the know of, she only could pull out what she was able to. As she had the option to respond " I can't answer that" - she chose to answer and she did. Or is it not the question at all, that she is distancing herself. It was her words she introduced first, that her gears came to a stumble. Just, you know, he was the last person to see her.

he was the last person to see her (past tense)

he had about an hour " alone with her" (past tense) she then knows what happened in that about an hour? what hour would this be?

before my son and his friend got here (present tense)
he quit his job Monday (no tense)
--
Her order. He quit his job MONDAY "after" he was the last person to see her, after, he had about an hour alone with her.

He then was the last person to see her, had about an hour alone with her, and then quit his job - he quit his job at what AM hour Monday? 6:10am.

Timeline:
12/26/2010, Sunday
10pm Hailey is watching TV in bed Billie tells her goodnight and goes to bed

Mon Dec 27th
5.30am Shawn leaves for work using Billie's car

6.00am Shawn arrives at work
6.10 am Shawn leaves work, Shawn says that he quit job

3.00pm Shawn arrives home.
3.15pm Hailey leaves home to go to Clint's house and then to spend the night with a friend.

4.00pm - 5.00pm David and his friend arrive at home. The friend stays and spends the night.

Monday: He did not have about an hour with Hailey alone, her timeline. 15 mins and Hailey was out the door, after he arrived to the house. When was this " about an hour, he was then alone with Hailey" around 4:30am, Monday morning? or earlier? that she is in the know of. That she in her innuendo affirms this "his being alone with her" is her own knowledge, not her to be informed.

Link to timeline:
http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2011/02/billie-jean-dunn-printed-timeline.html

Trigger said...

"She wasn't somebody's play thing"

Anything said in the negative is sensitive.

Trigger said...

"She wasn't somebody's play thing"

Past tense language about Hailey
shows guilty knowledge that she is dead.

~ABC said...

Peter Hyatt said...
The question about breathing was because the mother of the victim said she was looking for a "living, breathing Hailey"

Thanks Peter.
I can see that, but it stills seems a very bizarre way and place to present the question. No lead in, no follow up.

Trigger said...

When BJ used the term "play thing" I wondered why.

What mother uses a term that implies sex toy, and/or a sexual games participant when referring to their missing 13 year-old daughter?

It's the unexpected, not the expected response.

I was taken aback and said "Whoa" to that statement.

~mj said...

Re: the horse

Assuming this is true....

First, I could have gone my whole life without knowing this bit. Ew.

Second, Billie, this question is for you, you claim everyone has seen beastiality, but has everyone had a horse, in THAT way? (Yes, the 'that' is meant to distance me from what is being of accused of you)

~ABC said...

Me too Trigger! Very telling...

Trigger said...

BJ admitted to LE that she and Shawn withdrew money from her bank account at an ATM to purchase drugs the weekend that Hailey went missing.

She also admitted to taking drugs the day of the first polygraph test and was excused for that reason.

Anonymous said...

Trigger said...
BJ admitted to LE that she and Shawn withdrew money from her bank account at an ATM to purchase drugs the weekend that Hailey went missing.

She also admitted to taking drugs the day of the first polygraph test and was excused for that reason


Thank you Trigger. Do you have any idea what her drug of choice was?

Anonymous said...

Zoophilia come on ,No where in any of the stories does it say she is doing a horse.
To me it seams the question about the beathing was to catch her off guard and she passed.the host was great kept on top of things,Billie on the other hand was all over the place,way to many words.She is a true Texas redneck all the way johnboy

whoever said...

There once was a video of the horse posted. I chose not to watch it yet others did. Shawn stated they bought illegal drugs while Billie said she had a toothache. Of course she then denied saying any of it or doing the horse once the video was deleted. She found out that didn't help her get donations.

Trigger said...

No

Anonymous said...

whoever said...
There once was a video of the horse posted. I chose not to watch it yet others did. Shawn stated they bought illegal drugs while Billie said she had a toothache. Of course she then denied saying any of it or doing the horse once the video was deleted. She found out that didn't help her get donations

Where was the horse video posted? Was it youtube? Youtube still has all of Shawn's videos up, so I imagine that the site where the video was posted is at least available? Thanks

our home said...

BJD: Yep they did. They interviewed both of the children and myself and Clint and people in his family at his house and they found that nothing was wrong in our home.

Note that it is not "my home" but "our" home when "nothing was wrong"

no, note this, there was something wrong in clints home.

kiyah said...

clint is fairly quiet.... and self taught kungfu man wouldnt have the training to keep it under control and not let loose........ must not have noticed her red earring got lost when he knocked out her upper teeth on one side.

hallucinating said...

was the time they called CPS on billie the time that billie turned them in for having a mushroom bed in the basement?

~mj said...

@anon 10:30

I see her not flinching at the breathing question as suspicious . Especially since almost all of her answers, except this one and the two surrounding it about Sunday night specific are void of her MO. Almost like she rehearsed answers to these type of questions. I believe had she been hooked up to a poly, it would have told us more than "No" to these three questions.

BostonLady said...

Me me me. Describe Shawn for us "He's always been good to me". That's a very interesting description. Everything is BILLIE. She doesn't say "Shawn is 6 ft xx inches tall, with blonde hair, etc". No, he's always been good to me. And Billie states Shawn treated her VERY well but only treated her kids well. Notice Billie does not mention David by name. When she mentions Hailey,it is negative. "MY life was good until Hailey went and disappeared". The question asked what how was your home life. Home to me would equal the people who live there. Billie doesn't see it that way.

Everyone revolves around Billie. And she doesn't mind, one little bit.

This interview was relatively early on in the case. Billie states she stood behind Shawn but if anyone reviews the earlier interviews with NG, Billie started backing away from Shawn "a little bit" by making him leave after he failed the polygraph. (she didn't do anything about herself failing) Billie didn't stay separated from him long. Then the child porn allegations came out. Immediately, Billie tries to distance herself from Shawn. And as we now know, that was short lived. My point is that Billie goes into self preservation mode as soon as it looks like LE may have something on Shawn.

Billie has never stood behind Shawn. Billie has only been interested in protecting her own butt. Billie has always put herself first above her children. For the most part, she rarely addresses them by name. Billie will continue to put herself first so if there are any arrests coming, Billie is not going to go alone.

Billie will push Shawn into the oncoming train and step over him without looking back. This interview is one small example of the narcissistic Billie Jean Dunn.

looking for a pony said...

Then the child porn allegations came out. Immediately, Billie tries to distance herself from Shawn.

i thought billie knew about the alleged childporn way back in early Jan. i also thought it was finding out shawn was talking to other women is why billie had issues with shawn at that time. the childporn thing going public had nothing to do with her reactions, imo

Anonymous said...

BostonLady said...
Me me me. Describe Shawn for us "He's always been good to me". That's a very interesting description. Everything is BILLIE. She doesn't say "Shawn is 6 ft xx inches tall, with blonde hair, etc". No, he's always been good to me. And Billie states Shawn treated her VERY well but only treated her kids well. Notice Billie does not mention David by name. When she mentions Hailey,it is negative. "MY life was good until Hailey went and disappeared". The question asked what how was your home life. Home to me would equal the people who live there. Billie doesn't see it that way.

Everyone revolves around Billie. And she doesn't mind, one little bit.

This interview was relatively early on in the case. Billie states she stood behind Shawn but if anyone reviews the earlier interviews with NG, Billie started backing away from Shawn "a little bit" by making him leave after he failed the polygraph. (she didn't do anything about herself failing) Billie didn't stay separated from him long. Then the child porn allegations came out. Immediately, Billie tries to distance herself from Shawn. And as we now know, that was short lived. My point is that Billie goes into self preservation mode as soon as it looks like LE may have something on Shawn.

Billie has never stood behind Shawn. Billie has only been interested in protecting her own butt. Billie has always put herself first above her children. For the most part, she rarely addresses them by name. Billie will continue to put herself first so if there are any arrests coming, Billie is not going to go alone.

Billie will push Shawn into the oncoming train and step over him without looking back. This interview is one small example of the narcissistic Billie Jean Dunn.


I must respectfully disagree to some of the statements made within this post. I am not disparaging the entirety, just a few incongruous remarks. The only time that I personally recall seeing proof of Billie telling lies is when she was protecting Shawn from law enforcement. I have yet to see an arrest for one child pornographic image so suffice it to say that subject is now null and void.

elf said...

A living breathing Hailey wouldn't be in the same place as a dead Hailey. Billie wanted everyone to look in places a living breathing Hailey might be. Not where Hailey would have been if the worst case scenario did really happen. Misdirection maybe? Seeking to control the public's focus?

Anonymous said...

So Billie did know that it was useless to search for a living Hailey. Is that why she actually did search for a living breathing Hailey? and so did her friends? a cover up I suppose. reverse osmosis? There is probably a chant for that

~mj said...

@anon 12:05

Just b/c there has not been movement on the child porn does not make it null/void. We can't possibly know all that LE does. They may have good reason to wait on those charges.

Example, here in WA state, a man was convicted of a crime that was sexually violent. He then later in another relationship violently penetrated a woman with his hand. Prosecution was NOT allowed to bring up that previous crime. It was suppressed to the jury.

What if they don't want to bring charges on the child porn until they bring it out in trial on Hailey's case first, so they know they can use it.

They did this in Casey Anthony's case too with the bad check charges and lying to police. They waited to bring charges, had she been tried on those crimes previous, likely the prosecution would not have been allowed to breath a word of them in court.

CA's case is proof that this case needs to be handled with care so that the jury can here every little dirty piece....

~mj said...

*hear

Anonymous said...

~mj said...
@anon 12:05

Just b/c there has not been movement on the child porn does not make it null/void. We can't possibly know all that LE does. They may have good reason to wait on those charges.

Example, here in WA state, a man was convicted of a crime that was sexually violent. He then later in another relationship violently penetrated a woman with his hand. Prosecution was NOT allowed to bring up that previous crime. It was suppressed to the jury.

What if they don't want to bring charges on the child porn until they bring it out in trial on Hailey's case first, so they know they can use it.

They did this in Casey Anthony's case too with the bad check charges and lying to police. They waited to bring charges, had she been tried on those crimes previous, likely the prosecution would not have been allowed to breath a word of them in court.

CA's case is proof that this case needs to be handled with care so that the jury can here every little dirty piece....

I get the point you are trying to make MJ. Here is my point, child porn is heinous and to allow it to go on without action from law enforcement for over 2 years is despicable. It takes a child to make child porn. Where is that child now? Is that child safe? In order to save said child don't arrests have to be made? If a man is allowed to roam the states after viewing child porn over 2 years ago, what is he capable of? Is he a danger to other children? The list of "what ifs" is overwhelming. We have to think of the child first.

~mj said...

@anon 12:25

Your comments are so dead on. It is so sickening. I didn't mean to sound callous to that reality, I wished like nothing else there was a better solution to all of these abused babies. Thank you for making that point.

Anonymous said...

@ looking for a pony person, would that be considered childporn?

Anonymous said...

~mj said...
@anon 12:25

Your comments are so dead on. It is so sickening. I didn't mean to sound callous to that reality, I wished like nothing else there was a better solution to all of these abused babies. Thank you for making that point.


I am sorry if I got heated MJ. The mere thought of child porn makes me so ill. I live in West Texas and there have been many arrests in the last few years and you would be surprised how many of the individuals were "pillars" of society. It is overwhelming, but at least law enforcement in those towns moved fast.

~mj said...

@ anon 12:47

Please, please get heated! All of our blood should be boiling over these atrocities happening to our future, our children. These children are building our society for the future. It is beyond words what awful things are happening. You balanced my point perfectly. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"MY life was good until Hailey went and disappeared".

This statement clearly shows Billy blames Hailey for why she "disappeared"

In BD's eyes Hailey didn't just disappear, she WENT and disappeared.

Anonymous said...

It's absolutely crazy to me that anyone on here questions the "question" about Hailey breathing.

Strange: really?

Nothing is strange, outa-line, doesn't fit blah blah blah when your CHILD IS MISSING! How many cavities she had would be acceptable for goodness-sake.

What doesn't fit is the missing child - where are they? Who has them?

Questions asked after a child goes missing: any random question would be expected and not "questioned".

People on here have ranted for half a page about how "odd" it was for NG to ask: Did Hailey have a hard time breathing.

It's not ODD people. What's odd is her clam, one word answer of "no".

I'm with MJ on this.

NG may have heard she was sick. Heard she had asthma. Heard about Hailey being chocked by her sick mother.

Not out of line, odd, weird or unimportant at all.

Anonymous said...

Opps: I meant *calm*

Lis said...

This is an amazing article.

Here's another couple things that I noted:
--
"Host: Do you know any reason why Shawn would hurt Hailey?"

"BJD: Umm.. No, they'd been getting along, but I can't see why anybody would want to hurt her."
--

-"they'd been getting along" would only be said if they usually did not get along. If a married couple says "we've been getting along" you would know they do not usually get along. It calls attention to the fact they did not get along normally.

-"They'd been getting along" does not specify how much time it refers to- One certain occasion? A period of time? 5 minutes? And what exactly does "getting along" mean, even, it's subjective.

--
"It did have a child porn picture. umm.. It did have other adult porn on it and I told em I didn't want to see anymore. It's disgusting. It hurts my feelings for the little kids. It pisses me off that people would do that to children"
--

-She speaks of A child porn picture but then refers to "little kids" (plural) and "children" (plural).

-It would be just as true to say "it did have a child porn picture" if it had many child porn pictures.

-Say I have 6 dresses in my closet,: I can truthfully say "I do have a dress in my closet." It would imply to someone not listening carefully that I only have one dress but it does not say so. In fact, I would have "a" dress and also 5 other dresses.

-We do not know how many child porn pictures there were.

-"I told em I didn't want to see anymore" does not mean she stopped looking at them.

-"It's disgusting." This brought to mind the child molester's statement we studied back in November, where he said, "You people should be disgusted with yourselves. Do you think that I am disgusted?"

-I, too, have wondered how the authorities could hold off prosecuting them. MJ, your explanation makes a lot of sense. I wonder if it would mean they had not done anything at all about it? or just that they had not brought charges against Billie and Shawn? I don't know.

Lis said...

OT
"Local anon said...
But I gave to say, my husband has sleep apnea and if he isn't snoring I am awake in the silence fearing he has stopped breathing."

Local anon, sorry for being off topic, I just wanted to ask if your husband has tried CPap? My husband got on it a few years ago and it has been great for him!

Lis said...

I agree with others that the question about Hailey's breathing is not odd but that BD's answer stands out from all of her other answers. At what other time has she answered a question with a simple 'yes' or 'no'?

tampering with evidence said...

exactly, when has Billie ever answered with a simple yes or no.

Asked if Hailey had a hard time breathing on the couch, Billie responded, “Breathing? No. Like asthma or something? She didn’t have asthma or no trouble breathing.”

the show and transcript has been edited/dubbed

Jackie said...

"MY life was good until Hailey went and disappeared"

she didnt disappear from the home, she left the home first, then disappeared.

Peter Hyatt said...

Lis,

you are correct: Her lack of follow through after saying "no" surprised me and it is a break of her pattern, which is significant.

Peter

MissJustice said...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Hailey-Dunn/416444931784439?ref=hl

Peter Hyatt said...

Jackie,

the statement also blames Hailey.

We always look for any subtle blaming of the victim as an indicator of guilt.

Peter

MissJustice said...

New page that I created. ^^

MissJustice said...

I am focused on finding justice for Hailey. I believe Billie and Shawn did something terrible to her. I hope the pressure gets to be too much for one of them (or both) and they give in. Hopefully through Peter's amazing statement analysis, facebook pages, comments, etc.. we can help in some small way. Keep at it folks. :) https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Hailey-Dunn/416444931784439?ref=hl

light bulb said...

Annon 12:25, you said there have been several arrests in West Texas over child porn possession in the last couple years - WHY IN THE HECK have they NOT ARRESTED SEAN ADKIINS?????

Something stinks here! Someone's got some dirt on members of LE in Colorado Springs.

local anon said...

Thanks Lis, we'll look into it.

local anon said...

Good question light bulb. Yes, that have been sevearl arrests for child porn out here and I ask myself that every time I hear it. I do know that several people had access to the computer and some of the devices with porn that Shawn used so they have to prove it was him. I say arrest evryone who had access! While child porn was reported, and even Billie said she saw child porn, I sometimes question if there really was child porn. It infuriates me evry time I see an arrest and no movement to arrest Shawn. I have asked the FBI here and they say it is under the jurisdiction of the Dallas FBI

Just waitin' said...

"I got on the phone with Clint, who told me "No, Hailey's not there." I said "all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to go to the police station and report her missing you call the police station and give them a heads-up. But I will go file the report and everything."


"But I will go file the report and everything."

"But"...It was important that BD "file the report and everything."

Peter Hyatt said...

Just waitin' said...
"I got on the phone with Clint, who told me "No, Hailey's not there." I said "all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to go to the police station and report her missing you call the police station and give them a heads-up. But I will go file the report and everything."


"But I will go file the report and everything."

"But"...It was important that BD "file the report and everything."
April 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM


Justwaiting, I am curious. You have properly read her sentence and did not dismiss the word "but", seeing that it was important to her.

My question to you is this:

Is this something you knew instinctively, or did you learn it here?

If you learned it here, have you come to the place where you have slowed down your reading enough to "really" listen to what people are saying?

How about others?

Are you reading things differently now, through the lens of Statement Analysis?

I am unable to read anything any other way.

Just waitin' said...

Peter...maybe both. I tend to question things and people. I have learned from SA to slow down and reread things. "Really" listen.

I wonder sometimes if our West Texas dialect is taken into account on some of BD's statements? I have to admit that sometimes I understand her in a different way from what SA shows. I believe that BD and Shawn are responsible for Hailey's disappearance..."but"... I do question "why" or "if" parts of the transcript were omitted about whether or not Hailey had 'trouble breathing". I have seen other post where BD is asking the host "do you mean did Hailey have asthma" or something to that effect. That would be very different from "no".

Anonymous said...

Just waitin' said...
Peter...maybe both. I tend to question things and people. I have learned from SA to slow down and reread things. "Really" listen.

I wonder sometimes if our West Texas dialect is taken into account on some of BD's statements? I have to admit that sometimes I understand her in a different way from what SA shows. I believe that BD and Shawn are responsible for Hailey's disappearance..."but"... I do question "why" or "if" parts of the transcript were omitted about whether or not Hailey had 'trouble breathing". I have seen other post where BD is asking the host "do you mean did Hailey have asthma" or something to that effect. That would be very different from "no".


You make a good point. BJD sometimes uses incorrect grammar and I wonder if that is why she stops and pauses sometimes. I wonder if she realizes that she is not speaking intelligently so her inner voice is trying to correct that for the media?

pointhunter said...

I have learned alot here, and have begain usining it in my work.

pointhunter said...

Anon sais
You make a good point. BJD sometimes uses incorrect grammar and I wonder if that is why she stops and pauses sometimes. I wonder if she realizes that she is not speaking intelligently so her inner voice is trying to correct that for the media?

I have worked with inmates for 19 years, and her use of the English language is very similar to that of inmates. Inmates, who are attempting to communicate with officers, do the same pause as they search for words that are not slang.

Anonymous said...

Host: Please talk about your love of horror movies and true crime?

BJD. Okay, I don't think I know one person who hasn't watched a horror film. Um yeah. I enjoyed them. I watch horror films and I watch comedies and that is about it. I have a large collection of both, mostly comedies but I watch horror films also. I read the true crime stories. They, they're just interesting to me. I can't understand a serial killer's mind. I can't understand it. It intrigues me. I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange.

**********************************
This last part "I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange."

Do you think she's saying she doesn't feel it's strange to read these stories? It can also be taken as she doesn't feel serial killers brains are strange. That's the way I took it at first glance. I had to go back and read it again. Is she trying to figure out her own brain and impulses and that's why she doesn't think it's strange?

Trigger said...

"It was important that BD "file the report and everything"

Wow! That one jumped out as leakage.

She had asked David to make the calls to Hailey, Mary Beth, and Clint, but David told her that Clint did not have a phone, so David walked over to Clint's house. BD asked Clint to call the police and give them a "heads up" with her phone. Billie would file the police report and everything.

Billie is in charge. She states that she has other things to do besides filing the police report.

Searching or calling out for Hailey was not one of those other things as we learned later.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Host: Please talk about your love of horror movies and true crime. I watch horror films and I watch comedies and that is about it. I have a large collection of both, mostly comedies but I watch horror films also. I read the true crime stories. They, they're just interesting to me. I can't understand a serial killer's mind. I can't understand it. It intrigues me. I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange.

**********************************
This last part "I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange."

Do you think she's saying she doesn't feel it's strange to read these stories? It can also be taken as she doesn't feel serial killers brains are strange. That's the way I took it at first glance. I had to go back and read it again. Is she trying to figure out her own brain and impulses and that's why she doesn't think it's strange?

BJD. Okay, I don't think I know one person who hasn't watched a horror film. Um yeah. I enjoyed them.

She says she "enjoyed" them. Past tense. Since her daughter is missing does she no longer enjoy them? Many people who have had a tragedy such as this no longer enjoy the things that they once enjoyed.

Dee said...

Host: Billie, have you spoken to Shawn today?
BJD. umm.. No. He texted me this morning.
***That's semantics. She did speak to him but it was through a text vs. voice.

Host: I'm really confused with your relationship with Shawn, right now.
BJD. We're not together anymore
***"We're" is used showing unity. She doesn't say there is not a relationship, just that they're not "together" anymore. Were they living in separate locations at the time of this interview?

Host when was the last time you saw Shawn?
BJD. Physically saw him was Friday. Last Friday.
***Why does she differentiate seeing him and "physically" seeing him? How do you see someone unless you "physically" see them. Was she speaking to him through skype or something where she wasn't physically seeing him but still seeing him through the camera connected?

Trigger said...

BD stated that she did not put her children in danger.

She purchased cocaine to sell for profit and stored it in the home where she lived with her children.

She moved a man into her home that threatened to kill her and Hailey in a way that would be remembered for a long time.

She moved a man into her home that abused substances.

She moved a man into her home who had bloodlust hobbies.

She moved in a man who made videos of himself dressed like a threatening killer, wielding weapons. She kept his S&M props in her home.

BD would have us believe that her home was safe for children.

~mj said...

Dee, you are correct. She did talk to Shawn that day and she admits it. Later in the interview the host asks her what she said to Shawn that day....she told the host what she said to him.


Host: Now Billie, what did you say to Shawn today?

BJD. umm.. I'd just let him know that I need to be alone with family. I'd need time to myself so can't work things out if I don't, if I don't have answers and we can't work things out at all. It's not even a question. He knows that.



Shoppergalone said...

I have definitely learned enough here to slow down my reading and really look at the words instead of just absorbing them without notice.

Thank you Peter, for all you do. :)

I do believe that justice is going to be seen for Hailey, and soon.

Shelley said...

Billie said the following:

"The computer wasn't mine…..
was not my computer. I don't have a computer"

"They were obtained from a computer and a thumb drive that was in my house law enforcement were able to show me what they found on there"



So she says she doesnt have a computer but then talks about the computer that was taken from her house. She cant keep it straight at all.


And the fact that she also has images of herself and shawn that flash drive..... i love how she acts like she barely knows what those are.


Anonymous said...

Trigger said...
BD stated that she did not put her children in danger.

She purchased cocaine to sell for profit and stored it in the home where she lived with her children.

She moved a man into her home that threatened to kill her and Hailey in a way that would be remembered for a long time.

She moved a man into her home that abused substances.

She moved a man into her home who had bloodlust hobbies.

She moved in a man who made videos of himself dressed like a threatening killer, wielding weapons. She kept his S&M props in her home.

BD would have us believe that her home was safe for children.


When did she purchase cocaine to sell for profit? Thanks Trigger.

Just waitin' said...

Has it been posted as to how the images of herself and Shawn were taken? Did they use a camera or their phones? I wonder if Hailey's images are on those thumb drives and may be the reason they are waiting for Hailey's body to be found to make arrest? What is keeping LE from making arrest on the porn?

Just waitin' said...

Peter

What are your thoughts on BD making a facebook page for her ferret? States...joined facebook March 23. This was days after the body was discovered in Scurry County.

Anonymous said...

This has not been edited, but it is only half of the show. At the top of this page it says "Part 1" underneath "Billie Jean Dunn speaks on Bring Them Home Now - BlogTalkRadio - March 2, 2011 "

Later in the program she was asked again if Hailey had trouble breathing and BD asked the host "Breathing? No. Like asthma or something? She didn’t have asthma or no trouble breathing.” She expanded. I think she has time to think about the question since the first time she was asked.

I listened to the whole interview and it was Rachel who asked the question, not Bee the psychic. I was also there during the original interview and the hosts were taking questions from the chatroom. They were very good about that. Also Peter was on their show. I think it was the one after this one, so yes they are quite familiar with statement analysis and Peter. It was a question many people wanted them to ask because of the "living, breathing Hailey" comment.

Peter Hyatt said...

The ferret page was sent to me and it was disturbing within itself, yet consistent with the story.

I know of many cases of child abuse where a pet was treated better than the child.

In SCAN, this is why we include all names, including pets, on the list of "people" in a statement. For some, the pet is more valued than humans.

elf said...

My feeling about why Billie wanteed to be the one to file a missing report is that she wants people to see her as a concerned parent. Another motive would be along the lines of 'Im the one who filed the report so I'm not the guilty one'. I'm just guessing tho.
Another thought that's crossed my mind:
Clint called cps on Billie.
Billie 'retaliated' and called cps on Clint.
Shawn cheated on Billie so she called 911 that he threatened her and Clint.
Shawn called 911 to get back at Billie saying she was a suicide risk.
Anyone else see a pattern?

elf said...

IMO anyone who makes a facebook page about their pet is stupid and an attention seeker. Just a personal opinion tho.

~ABC said...

mj said....
"I see her not flinching at the breathing question as suspicious . Especially since almost all of her answers, except this one and the two surrounding it about Sunday night specific are void of her MO. Almost like she rehearsed answers to these type of questions. I believe had she been hooked up to a poly, it would have told us more than "No" to these three questions."

Bingo MJ! That question was accepted by BJD far too calmly. The question and response are odd. It's almost a perverse leakage in that she should have reacted, but didn't. She clearly understood the question and answered it with ease and only one word which is completely out of her character. It rang true and she missed it!

~ABC said...

elf said....
"Anyone else see a pattern?"

Yes elf. It is a pattern of a revenge driven life. Eye for an eye, low-level evolvement on the human scale. Prison house rules are the dynamics of that family and many, many others.

pointhunter said...

Host: Billie there a lot of women out there who have chosen bad men. This is not your fault.
BJ. I know


She does not deny he was a bad man.

Anonymous said...

Day # 33 since Scurry County remains found. Still no identification made to the public

Trixiebelle said...

Day # 33 since Scurry County remains found. Still no identification made to the public

Trigger said...

Clint Dunn revealed that BD had purchased cocaine to sell.

He clarified that the 911 calls that BD and SA made were the result of a fight because BD found out that Shawn had taken her stash of cocaine that she had planned to sell.

BD's mother is in jail for a cocaine related crime. It was on the news.

tell me something to make me feel good said...

clint dunn repeated something someone told him. this was told to him during the atmosphere of billie had left him and was seeing another man. there is no proof or confirmation.