Tuesday, April 30, 2013

Dunn: Message Posted On Facebook

The following was another message left on FB, reportedly from the mother, and 2nd Person of Interest in the disappearance and death of 13 year old Hailey Dunn, by Peter Hyatt and Kaaryn Gough.
"I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies! And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down! Is your family proud?! My daughter is dead! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty."
"I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies! 
The message begins with the pronoun, "I", making it personal, and strong. 
Notice the order:
1.  pedophiles
2.  child murderers
3.  their families 

listing "pedophiles" before "child murderers"


"pedophiles"-- If the subject was informed by LE her daughter had been sexually assaulted before being murdered, this would explain  why she included "pedophiles". 

However, if the subject was not informed by LE that her daughter had been sexually assaulted before being murdered, then why did she include "pedophiles" and why did she make them more important than "child murders"?


"You must have..." speaks to families with a message

an "inkling" is a small amount 

that "demon" was in there.  We see the word "demon" and not "a demon" nor even "the demon", but "demon" as used in a name.  In the subject's personal, internal subjective dictionary, she calls him "demon", without capitalization.  This is a "demon" she is familiar with, which is why he is just "demon" and not "a" demon. 

What calls for the name "demon" by the subject?   Previously, we saw the words "snake" and "devil" used.  "Devil", with small "d" was used to describe a polygrapher who asked questions about the events and the location of Hailey Dunn.  It is interesting to note the word "devil" and the word "demon" are sometimes used interchangeably.  Here, "demon" is used, possibly, towards one of the suspects in a child murder case, while "devil" was used towards one of those who would help solve a child murder case. 

"kill yourselves"

is plural, to the pedophiles, child murderers and families.  The families are included because they must have had an "inkling"

It is interesting to note that the author calls for death for family members who may had an "inkling", that is, a small hint of knowledge.  

And shame on your families,
"And" indicates a connection; that is, there is missing information between sentences. 
Note that "shame" is called on "your families."

Note that after the release of the affidavit, on national television and formerly supportive guest called down "shame" upon the mother of Hailey Dunn. 

Note that they are to "kill themselves" and they are to have "shame" upon them. 

This act of suicide is related to "saving" "our" "babies"; so that if
pedophiles, child killers and families who had inklings, kill themselves, the babies who are "ours" (note the change from the pronoun, "I" which began the statement) can be saved. 
who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! 
Here, the subject has turned from "inkling" to those who "know you best" being responsible for not "getting you placed", which is often a social services term.  
Note that the person is a "child murderer" and not a "child killer"; with "murder" having a specific connotation that suggests a desire to murder children, previously known by family who know him best. 
What does the subject know about her daughter's "murder" instead of her daughter's "killing" or "death"?  What made it "murder" and not "death", by, for example, accident? The subject repeatedly uses the word "murder" rather than any other term. 
Shame on them for ignoring 
It began with "inkling" and went to those that knew you "best" and now it is that they "ignored" what they knew.  To ignore is willful negligence.  This leads to the question:
How does the subject know that family ignored pedophilia/child murder tendencies?  What signs did he exhibit that caused her to accuse family?  
Was this discussed with family?
Why weren't these things brought up more than 2 years ago?

This strongly indicates that the author of this message was aware of both pedophilia, and a desire to take the life; not an accidental overdose, but "murder"leading to:

1.  What did the subject know?
2.  When did the subject know?
3.  Why didn't the subject take action?
4.  Why didn't the subject give this information out more than 2 years ago?
5.  Why did the subject repeatedly defend him, even to the point of lying to police?
6.  Why choose, and repeat, the word "murder"?

This is to suggest that the subject has knowledge of the events of which she writes. 
that u have a monster deep down! 
Note the change from "you" to "u"
Note the change from "demon" to "a monster" with "demon" being specific, but "monster" is only "a" monster.  Note also where this monster dwells:  "deep down", which suggests hiding
Is your family proud?! 
We note any question within a statement as possibly the subject speaking to herself, asking herself this question?  This is supported by the addition of an exclamation point, which is declaratory and not limited to just a question. 
My daughter is dead! 
Note from "our babies", non specific, to the very strong, "my daughter is dead!" with exclamation point. 
You should've taken your own life,
"kill yourselves" is now the softer "taken your own life", with "you" being the recipient of the sentence, "life" being singular. This is now directed at one person.  This is in context with "my daughter is dead" and assigns blame to one person who was "pedophile" and "child murderer"
your family should've acted on signs,
Note it was "inkling" and then family that knew him, and now it was "signs".
What "signs" should they have acted upon?  
What signs did the subject act upon? 
When did the subject take action?

they are just as guilty."
The subject assigns guilt of "child murder" of her "daughter" to a single person, and then adds guilt on to the family who had "inklings", "knew" him, and had "signs" but failed to act on. 

It is interesting to note that the subject assigns guilt in murder to those who may have been negligent.

This leads to asking the subject questions to learn if the subject feels that she had inklings, knowledge, and signs, and that if neglect of any action means equal guilt.  


Possible reason she posted this note...Take note especially of #1 if Shawn is still out and about and not inside doing a deal.

1) She wants Shawn to read this or more likely, a close family member of his to read it, with the hope that either Shawn takes his own life or he is killed by a family member who is persuaded by her words that any family member with an "inkling" should should feel shame and guilt and should have taken action.

If this were to happen, this would solve a few problems for Billie.

  • --Shawn couldn't testify against her in court.
  • --If he took his own life, it would appear to be an admission of guilt.
  • --If a family member took his life it would support the fact he is guilty.
2) The wording of the post is meant to persuade a jury that she was so angry and devastated over her daughter's death that she called for people to kill themselves or have the families do it. (This post, of course, would become an exhibit for the defense demonstrating she was out of her mind with rage at her daughter's killer)

3) She's building her defense--not guilty by reason of insanity.

179 comments:

Anonymous said...

Does this mean she is just as guilty?? And she knows it!!!!

Anonymous said...

Keep talking Billie,keep talking.

Anon59

Anonymous said...

your family should've acted on signs

Same to you, BJD

john said...

She uses "my Daughter" taking ownership.

Yet again,she doesn't personalise Hailey by using her name.

Anonymous said...

Why the switch from you/your to 'u' halfway through. Why use txt/comp language once?

Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down!

It stood out to me, i dont know why.

Is she telling us she is a monster deep down?

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
I'm going to apologize because my throat's scratchy...and I got a sore throat.

Um...is everybody READY'

K...I read this because I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ANYTHING...Um...I want to give a complete very detailed... Um...statement of EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON THE DAY BEFORE, THE DAY HAILEY DISAPPEARED AND THE DAY AFTER. Jus everything I COULD REMEMBER.UM...I WANT TO thank everyone for coming this afternoon and GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO make a statement. First I want to SPEAK DIRECTLY TO HAILEY IN CASE SHE'S LISTENING.
Um...wherever YOU ARE HAILEY, I'm lookin for you, hundreds of people are lookin for you. WE ALL WANT YOU home safe.
Um...I just want TO SEE AND TOUCH YOUR BEAUTIFUL FACE. Um...I really love you. I desperately need you home.

And Um...There's NOT A MINUTE GOES BY I'm not praying FOR YOU, or CRYING WISHIN YOU WERE... IN MY LIVIN ROOM. Um...I can't handle NOT KNOWIN WHERE you are OR IF YOU'RE SAFE.

YOU'RE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL I'VE EVER LAID my eyes ON AND I'M VERY PROUD that God chose me to be your mother.

john said...

OT, Amanda knox.

In this short clip we have here, Amanda knox's Body Language is quiet revealing.

At the start of this clip the interviewee says.

"She devil with an angel face sphynx of perusion".

She looks down nods her head then flashes contempt on the left side of her mouth(our right).Is she nodding her head in agreement with what has just been said..The contempt could be directed at herself for what she has done.I think it is directed at the statement from the interviewee.

Amanda responds with,"I havnt heard those i mean iv'e heard the gist of them.

Watch her lower lip push up and her upper lip raise,this is a Micro Expression of disgust,it is very quick you may have to freeze the vt to see it.

She the covers up the disgust with quick smile,at the same time swallowing hard,you can hear her doing this.This is a clear sign of anxiety.

She then says;

"And Eer their wrong"

Notice he chin jut,this is a clear sign of anger.

At 20 secs in the interview she says:

"I was in the court room when they were calling me a devil,i mean its one thing to be called certain things in the media and its another thing to be sitting in a court room,fighting for your life,while people are calling you a devil".

Right after she says "devil",she raise her chin,juts her jaw out,her lips narrow,and the inward corners of her eyes slope in towards the bridge of her nose.This is a severe Micro Expression of Anger,its very quick so again you may have to freeze the vt.

She then says:

"For all intents and purposes I was a murderer, whether I was or not.(Audible Gulp,anxiety)"I had to live with the idea that that would be my life.

Notice when she says:

"For all intents and purposes I was a murderer, whether I was or not".

There is no ANGER,the only time she shows ANGER or DISGUST is when she is being called names...???

As i said,this is only a short clip,and she may well show contempt anger and disgust, at being called a murderer in the full interview.



http://news.sky.com/story/1084795/amanda-knox-protests-innocence-in-tv-interview

Anonymous said...

That tirade was meant for Shawn

Billie foaming at the mouth at Shawn and his family

Billie telling Shawn she wishes he was dead and wishes he would kill himself (which in her head would solve all her problems)

Billie lashing out at Shawn's family for what appears to be unconditionally supporting him no matter what

Billie lashing out at Shawn's family for defending and protecting him even though his family knows Shawn is into hardcore pornography+S&M and guilty of committing crimes against Hailey

Billie insinuating that his family are just as guilty because they raised Shawn and know Shawn and know what bad things Shawn has done

Billie mocking Shawn's family

ARREST her already!

Trixiebelle said...

It's probably my overactive imagination, but when I first read the line "a monster deep down" I immediately thought of the photo of Shawn Adkins wearing the black mask and brandishing a huge knife. Behind him, I can see an old-fashioned cellar door, as if he just emerged from the basement. I don't know how to call up the image to paste on here but if you google "images of Sean Adkins and black mask" it will come up on the computer screen.
More evidence of BJD "leaking" information????

Maria said...

"As for the narcissist, it usually means that it is time to find someone else who will continue to fuel her false ego."

A note on narcissism because people tend to see it as grandiosity but that is not always the case. The narcissist as the quote above states, has a false sense of self. The most important thing for the narcissist is the perpetuation of his perceived self image/identity, whatever that is. That perceived self can be grandiose or not but the narcissist will go to any length to preserve the illusion. In order to do that, he (usually a he but oh, so often a she) needs to convince others about who he is. Through the world being convinced he can reassure and convince himself that yes, he is indeed what he thinks he is because others see him that way. The moment someone sees them for what they are, holds the mirror to them as Peter said, then they go into what is called a narcissistic rage, which is beyond any reaction a healthy person would have when being doubted, rejected or dismissed. Once they get over the rage - after "properly" punishing the other person for daring to doubt them, then we see what's in the above quote. A hasty replacement with someone else that can feed their perceived identity.

If you have people like that in your life, make an exit as soon as possible. Don't just look for grandiosity. Look for perceived identity that needs to be perpetuated by you and the world in general.

Maria said...

My apologies. This was posted at the wrong post :(

Trixiebelle said...

ps, .....
1. Did BJD's house have a basement? Where was that photo taken of Shawn Adkins? If it is indeed taken at BJD's former home, did LE spray the basement testing for the presence of semen?
2. If the photo is not BJD's former home, then I would guess she was just "leaking" information from her subconsious about a "monster deep down." Because Sean Adkins sure looks like a monster to me in that photo.

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
Billie Jean Dunn
8 hours ago via mobile
I beg ALL PEDOPHILES,CHILD MURDERERS & their families,YOU MUST'VE HAD AN INKLING THAT DEMON WAS IN THERE,KILL yourselves,save OUR BABIES! AND SHAME ON YOUR FAMILIES,WHO KNOW YOU BEST FOR NOT GETTING YOU PLACED SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN'T MURDER BABIES! Shame on them for ignoring that U HAVE A MONSTER DEEP DOWN! IS YOUR FAMILY PROUD?! MY DAUGHTER IS DEAD! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty.

Anonymous said...

Why would she have the need to keep posting through facebook , especially right now ? Is she in Colorado City? Is she in hiding?

john said...

Re,my analysis above.

It should read"inward corners of her eyebrows"..

Lemon said...

Anon 1 it seems you delightfully enjoy recounting the most graphic details your mind can conjure up. Your feedback to such includes "sick" and " creepy". Are you so desperate for attention that you need to be compared to " BD creepy"? Your post is disgusting and you need a break. It is not appropriate for this forum.

JerseyJane said...

Billie is performing for what people(what she has left) want to hear. She is projecting for her 'let's- play-make -pretend-I'm-innocent future courtroom skit....

For some reason, the guilty always get their scripts first!! LoL

Hang on, folks, it's going to get even nuttier..The warning light is flashing!!........
Billie, can u write into the script' fainting'? Go, Go..Start practicing now.

Lucy said...

How about mothers who allow men who like drugs, violent child porn, and beastiality full access to their teenage daughters? What should they do, Billie Jean?

Local anon said...

Shame on you Billie. You let the monster into your house and you knew he was a monster.

Lucy said...

Local folks: What is the sentimant towards BJD there? I know that she has supporters on line (probably less than it appears) but are people buying her schtick IRL? She is at minimum a narcissist, as she is incapable of understanding how this statement will have the exact opposite effect as she intended. (She rails against pedophiles and child murderers, but she knew exactly what SA was and let him have full access to Hailey anyway. She can't see the conflict there.) And she is not nearly intelligent enough to fool large numbers of people. Is anyone on her side? Put another way, how big is the celebration going to be when her long overdue arrest finally comes?

MizzMarple said...

Is Billie using "reverse psychology" with this kind of ranting ?

Billie will never take "ownership" of her part in Hailey's demise -- no matter what her role was.

MizzMarple said...

john said...
OT, Amanda knox.

In this short clip we have here, Amanda knox's Body Language is quiet revealing.

---------------------------------

I have not seen the clip yet, but one thing about Knox: She always "tells" on herself !

Tonight, the "infamous interview" will air -- Dianne Sawyer of ABC will interview Knox.

Knox's book will hit the bookstores today -- I hope it's a FLOP ! Knox got $4 Million for this book, which is despicable !

But Italy is watching her -- she is still a convicted murderer under their laws UNTIL the recently annulled Appeal is re-done.

Knox is -- and always will be -- a convicted felon for innocently blaming a man for Meredith's murder !

And Italy has already convicted her for the murder of Meredith !

john said...

Hi Peter,

Crime Wire has posted on my FB page,it says that Mr Lloyd is on cw tonight.

Is he back on?

Thanks..

Anonymous said...

Lemon, you're sounding a bit like Laviolette telling people they need a time out. It's hard to say what may or may not be appropriate to say in a forum where child molestation, murder, and other horrible things are discussed on a daily basis. Sure that particular post is over the top, but doesn't it make for interesting statement analysis? Part of what is stated in there as if it were facts is totally their imagination or they know more than has been released.

Anonymous said...

Why would she have the need to keep posting through facebook , especially right now ?
__________________________

Because it's the only way for her to get a message to Shawn

She's in a [narcissistic] rage at Shawn and the only way to scream at him and intimidate him and threaten him is via facebook

Hopefully Shawn's attorney/lawyer is reading and screencapping her comments because they can be bargaining chips in Shawn's favour

Anonymous said...

I don't think BJD has much of a supportive team backing her, Lucy...if you look at her fb account, she get the odd like on things she posts; her silly pic she took of herself in a mirror only got 4 likes. If she had support from the public around her, she would get more positive feedback and more likes on her posts.

When I looked at BJD's fb, I saw her present herself as a shallow and lonely person pretending to be amid supportive people while the lack of them was obvious.

worriedparent said...

Lucy said...".....Is anyone on her side? Put another way, how big is the celebration going to be when her long overdue arrest finally comes?"

Lucy,

I am local. When arrests are made, it will bring us closer to Justice for Hailey but it will not be a celebration.

Celebration is remembering Hailey's life, her smile, her laugh. Remembering the short time we were blessed to spend with her. It's my wish that everyone remember Hailey and hug your kids,your grandchildren.

As to the sentiment towards Billie, this is only my opinion in that we, myself included, are fed up with her blatant mockery and lies. Billie's actions and words speak for themselves both before Hailey's death and after. Just as Hailey's words will be heard.....

Anonymous said...

She's extremely jealous of the unconditional material and emotional support Shawn's family is providing Shawn: she's not getting either kind of support from anybody

She's extremely infuriated that Shawn's family 1) never extended the support to her and 2) are trying to persuade Shawn to throw Billie under the bus

She's telling the family, "you think I'm an evil monster and you're trying to get Shawn to throw me under the bus, well what about Shawn, you know he's into hardcore pornography and pedophilia and killed Hailey, that make him a monster too, so why are you defending him and turning him against me, he's a monster too, I've got the proof and I'll let the world know, just so you know - Shawn's a monster too and I've got the proof"

Her facebook postings need to be screen capped and submitted as evidence

Anonymous said...

OT

Peter,
Did you see in the latest Amanda Knox interview what she is quoted as saying,

"For all intents and purposes, I was a murderer - whether I was or not. And I had to live with the idea that that would be my life."

Does an innocent person talk like that when they are accused of a murder they didn't commit?! I don't think so!

Jo said...

And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies!

Billie wants us to believe that she was another victim of Shawn's. That his family, "that knew him best", should have placed him. That she didn't know him well enough to know he was a monster.

"I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies!"

She begs the pedophiles, child murderers & their families but not their wives or girlfriends. Only their families could have an inkling or have know there was a problem or demon within.

elf said...

JerseyJane I agree that Billie is putting on a performance, saying what she believes an innocent mother would say.
What stands out (repeatedly) to me is Billie's failure to say (write) Hailey's name. When your pregnant, you search for the perfect name for your baby. Whether you have the name picked out from your younger years or through months of searching through baby name books, once you pick out the name a mother takes pleasure in using that name. You've not only created life but you get to put a name to it! For a mother to not be able to say(write) her own child's name sends a warning flag... Billie doesn't even use a nickname for Hailey, which, in my mind would suggest a close mother/daughter bond. A mother takes pleasure in her children's names. Billie not referring to Hailey either by name or a nickname and instead using terms such as 'my daughter' 'my baby' seems like she's distancing herself further from Hailey.
Not using Hailey's name- distancing.(mentally)
Moving to another city shortly after Hailey disappeared- distancing. (Physically)
Say Hailey's name Billie. Why all the distancing?

Anonymous said...

Please remove anon1's.comment, please!

Anonymous said...

Where on Facebook is this statement found? TIA
kmn

Anonymous said...

Dawn @ 7:58; have you ever seen a child torn open from rape? I have. THIS is the reality of what the pedophile/rapist does to them.

I've also held one in my arms for days and nights afterwards and saw the heard the pitiful screams and cries from which there was no relief. They cannot stand any clothing to touch them, even pouring water over their injuries hurts them so much they scream and writh in pain. They have to lie naked while you clean up their waste and soothe them.

I've heard the nightmares years later and held the child all night. I cry for the child when I relive it. Like now. Anon 1

stop_playing_dumb said...

Where is she posting this? Does she have two facebook accounts? One for Billie Jean Ostrander and one for Billie Jean Dunn?

Anonymous said...

There are so many missing children and cases of child abuse and neglect that don't get this kind of involvement from the public. The reason Hailey's case gets so much attention is that BD won't shut up! She's the one that has brought all the interpretation and speculation on herself. In court her defense will undoubtedly claim that because of all the publicity she can't get a fair trial. Too bad!

But who knows? She might claim she only said and did all these things for the intended purpose of keeping her "baby" in the public's mind so Hailey would be found. Not gonna work Billie!

She's her own worse enemy. She's testifying against herself every time she speaks out. Everyone is outraged at SA but she is hated even more because she is the one that at the very least gave him access to Hailey, and very probably had a direct hand in her death.

Keep talking Billie!

Anonymous said...

Peter, PLEASE DO NOT remove my comments concerning child rape/pedophelia.

These who are asking you to remove my post, or who are insulting me for spelling it out, have no concept of the pain these children suffer or either don't care.

Maybe it's high time they found out. Not because I said so, but because some of these people need to realize what is done to these precious innocent children by the pedophile/child rapist; that so many of them get away with, and continue to rape and torment the same child who lives in fear, and others, over and over for years.

Thank you, Anon 1

Anonymous said...

I hope it can be proven that these are her sites and postings.

Anonymous said...

Keep on talking BD, keep on talking.

Anonymous said...

Anon1 - Your post contains unnecessary triggers for abuse victims. Respectfully remove it, pls.

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BJD is back in form. Someone should enlighten her that everything she says / posts can and will be used against her. Sounds like she's a candidate for a suicide watch with all the exhortations to "kill yourself" for having inklings, knowledge which add up to being just as guilty.

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Glad this awful case will soon be resolved.

dahbou said...

stop_playing_dumb said...
Where is she posting this? Does she have two facebook accounts? One for Billie Jean Ostrander and one for Billie Jean Dunn?
April 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM
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Yes she does have two accounts.

Anonymous said...

I see the "billie jean ostrander" page. What is the other one please. TY

kmn

Anonymous said...

Anon 1 yes I have. I've been a nurse for 19 years, worked in pediatrics for 2 years. Everyone knows the physical damage done however we don't want to read about it with our morning coffee. In my case, before I had my first cup.
Dawn

dahbou said...

Billie Jean Dunn's FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002820774597

BillieJean Ostrander's page:
https://www.facebook.com/billiejean.ostrander

Hobnob said...

She had all the signs, she even told the cops about him yet, she took him back, not once, rather repeatedly. She moved him into her house even though he had made threats to kill.

Does she not consider herself as someone who knew?
Again we are seeing billie refusing to accept responsibility for her part in hailey's rape and murder.
It is always someone else's fault.
It will always be someone else's fault.
She is telegraphing her intent, she will roll on everyone, anyone who had anything to do with the drugs, the porn, abuse, rape , murder, your name is on her list.

You will be blamed for the situation she finds herself in.
You sold her drugs? your fault she took shawn in, you sent her beastiality, it's your fault she viewed them, passed them on, participated in same.

She is broadcasting her defence, the only defence she has a chance at, domestic violence victim, she was in such fear she couldn't refuse his demands, she stayed with him due to his threats to kill ( she won't see the irony of him having actually killed Hailey rather he will have made further threats to her and david) She has her childhood which too will be used to mitigate. I didn't know any better sir, someone was better than no one yadda yadda yadda.

Billie know there will be people who will believe her, support her. There always is. those who assume in any crime the woman is a victim os domestic violoence a la latoilette in the jodie arias case ( a real man hater) if all else fails she will throw young under the bus as well, we bumped uglies i am a victim, give me compensation, a new trial anything.

S + K Mum said...

BJD knew what she let into her home and she did nothing. Except invite and encourage it. She did nothing while Hailey was missing. Now she pretends to be surprised and outraged because some of Hailey's remains have been found. You couldn't make it up.
I am disgusted by her. It proves again how little she cared for Hailey.

She is portraying herself as the victim now, duped by SA, duped by his family....it's all their fault...sob... I look forward to reading of her arrest.

RIP Hailey.

REK said...

BJD is leaking that hailey’s demise did have to do with a “pedo”. Notice how “pedo” is first, but also clumped together with her other descriptors of the murderer. We all have been speculating and believing this to be the case anyways, but this is just more proof that her demise did have to do with “pedo” contact involved.

dadgum said...

I agree, Dawn. Most of us are well aware..there are times when it is appropriate, and necessary to discuss. This morning does not seem to me to be one.

Anon 1, I am not minimizing your pain, or the pain of children. Many of us have been in your shoes. We do understand how you feel.

Anonymous said...

Thanks! Must need to be her "friend" to read it.

kmn

yep said...

She's crazy alright but not insane. I don't think a jury would believe she's insane or a victim of domestic violence. The picture of her with the band member having fun would come into evidence along with every facebook message and text she ever sent. You can delete but never completely remove items.

Anonymous said...

BJD is communicating to Shaw through Facebook and must be trying to convince him to end his life. She can't be so stupid to think that LE isn't tracking all of her posts and will hopefully be used against her someday?

Someone please get Shawn Adkins into protective custody and placed on suicide watch! We can't lose what he knows about BJD involvement.

Sus said...

Billie will not kill herself. This post is a narcissistic rant toward Shawn that he should kill himself rather than turn on her. She expects him to be loyal to her.

She is especially angry with his family for being what she thinks of as allies against her. It should all be Billie's way, and Shawn's family is supporting him.

"My daughter is dead." is out if place in this rant for a reason. Billie is going on about families then stops to say "MY". She wants the focus on Billie.

Shame is a recurring theme in this post. Billie does not want to look bad. She really can't feel remorse, so it's all what she's made to look like or what others think of her.

Deejay said...

Notice in these latest BD statements that she only wants her 'baby' back, the one she played with and cooed to.

She does not want a teenage Hailey back- the rival, who made her feel old...

dahbou said...

kmn,
I don't know where it was originally posted but WOJ made a post that included it on their FB page. Look for the post made 10 hours ago as of 10:22 am ET.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Waiting-On-Justice-For-Our-Girl-HD/341139815923339

newbie said...

You should've taken your own life, your family should've acted on signs, they are just as guilty."


How come everyone else should have acted?? BJD lived with him for a year or more right? Billie, no responsibility, Dunn open YOUR eyes, YOU knew, YOU should have acted and protected YOUR daughter.

Anonymous said...

She wants him to kill himself before he tells on her ! I thought it was telling all yesterday

Sus said...

OT
Has anyone else seen the People article on Amanda Knox. Some photo layout!

A couple of quotes:
about Rafael
"I learned from reading his memoir that everyone was trying to convince him to give me up when we were in jail, and he wouldn't, " she said, " He was a hero about it. I thanked him when he visited and he said, 'i just did what I knew was right."

About Meredith's father
"But my understanding is that her father thinks I'm the killer of his daughter, and that's painful. I hope they read my book."

stop_playing_dumb said...

thank you dahboo for the fb profiles.

REK said...

As hard as I try, I just cannot fathom BJD being the "innocent" naive and gullible girlfriend while shawn is the only one responsibile. just way too many things that don't add up to that scenario, especially trying to "pass" the lie detector test by taking medications, her slips of hailey being deceased, and manipulative behavior that is evident.

she has a "ecard" on her BJO facebook that talks about how when people talk about you, its because if they talked about themselves then no one would care(something to this effect)

this demonstrates that BJO finds value in being center of attention

Jo said...

Members of the jury, as you deliberate on the guilt or innocents of Billie Jean Dunn, I leave you with her words regarding child murderers and if they deserve the death penalty - "Yes they do,anyone who hurts children do,I'm not one who believes they can be rehabilitated & released. Statistics back me. I'm one who relies on facts & proof,so those are my thoughts."

Wow, her lawyer really needs to pack his bags as he is completely ineffective in protecting his client.

Anonymous said...

Thanks dahbou. I was curious if anyone commented on her statement on one of her pages, but I can't find it. I did see it on the WOJ page.

kmn

Local anon said...

Lucy, Billie has a few supporters but people in Colorado City know she and almost her entire family are druggies. Most have them have been arrested and they are well known to LE. That is why Hailey was treated as a runaway at first. Most everyone in Colorado City and LE think that Shawn killed Hailey and Billie was involved or knew. Locals are not buying her act.

cd said...

Anon1 - Your post contains unnecessary triggers for abuse victims. Respectfully remove it, pls.
-----------
Ditto. The majority of people here already know what happens to victims. We don't need to read it (unsolicited and salaciously) from Anon1.

Trigger said...

Billie is trying to control the information, again.

She needs for Shawn to die, so she can avoid responsibility for Hailey's abuse and death.

I agree that she is building a defense for court room purposes.

The need to control information is an obsession with BD. She believes that she can lie her way out of anything.

dadgum said...

Anon 1
We're waiting..we have asked nicely. Please click on the trashcan so no one else feels any pain today..you are here too often for the teacher to have to do it for you.

Thank you (I hope?)

Anonymous said...

In a private facebook group BD told everyone that SA bragged telling her that most of his family was pedophiles, child murderers and rapist.
He told her he had been institutionalized.

'If' his family is indeed pedophiles, child murderers and rapist, have they been arrested or have they gotten away with it?

So why did she allow him to be in the home with herself and her children?

Why did she use most of the same words here?

Is she trying in her own warped way to set SA up for the fall? Or is she trying to save him by setting him up for an insanity plea?

We all know anyone who commits murder is nuts, look at Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, the list goes on but insanity is a different story.
SA and BD are not insane. I can think of a lot of words I'd love to use for both of them but I'll pass because we all what they are.

My theory is this:
BD is not grieving as a normal mother of a murdered child would grieve. Instead she spends her time on Facebook typing these little 'notes'.
They say we all grieve differently BUT no mother does what BD has done for the past 28 months!

Anyway I personally think that BD is trying to get into people's heads, pretending to care, leaving these little 'notes' like "I want my baby now." AND "My daughter didn't get a plea option." AND now the remark about "pedophiles, child murderers and rapist." that she used previously in the private group on Facebook. I think she is trying to gain support and sympathy.

IF indeed BD actually knew all that about SA and IF he alone killed Hailey, she should be tried for murder because 'she allowed' that type of person to be in that home with her daughter.

It just seems to me the more she tries to shift blame and the more she tries to convince people of her innocence the worse she looks!
She is the model of what kind of mother not to be.

It is still my opinion that she killed Hailey or helped Hailey.

Concerned Texas Grandma

Anonymous said...

Her post does sound like a message to Shawn asking him to kill himself. She needs him to be gone so he can't testify against her.

Trigger said...

April was child abuse awareness month.

BD wants her audience to believe that she is not a child abuser.

She wants her audience to believe that she was clueless about Shawn's crimes.

BD you are a convicted liar.

Shawn is not going to kill himself at your suggestion. He is going to make a deal to testify against you. The game is over.

ima.grandma said...

Snipped from Billie Jean Ostranders facebook page:

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Not just the camera proves this,but also his former boss says he didnt leave a thing in his locker,also I asked a trusted member of LE where the coveralls were,to which he stated,theyve never been found,now why is Shawn lying about taking me to work Monday when LE has already confirmed someone else did,there are cameras at the hospital where I was dropped off. Why is he denying failing a second polly in Dallas? Why did he lie & say he was with his mom all day Tues when infact he never went there
about an hour ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn And he has threatened every male coworker I ever had,Snyder PD has many reports from my friends there,but now youre a suspect in Haileys disappearance & you are dumb enough to msg my best friend,who I do love dearly, & threaten his children if he doesnt stay away from me. You are a disgusting pathetic waste,yes please keep talking. I cant believe it took me so long to see what a homicidal maniac monster you are. You will be made to answer,you will pay!
58 minutes ag

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn No body has to listen to Mr I can do anything & nobody can stop me.
56 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn There aren't any words to describe this sadistic,vile,decieving,split personalitied monster,but he is everything we think he is.
52 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Why did his uncle come from Houston Tues? why not come on christmas? Shawn why were you in Dunn for 5 hours Tues & you never made an appearance at your grandmas?
50 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Then you told LE you couldnt remember what roads you were cruising there,come on,you grew up there. Theres gotta be less then 8 roads
49 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn who made the scratches on your hand on Dec 27th 2010?
47 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn I know what you are,we all see it,I detest you
46 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Why is he still lying about the darn coveralls & the other polly that his mommy paid for.
43 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Why wouldnt Shawn return Officer Alexanders messages pleading for a description of what Hailey was wearing the day I reported her missing? Why start off noncompliant
40 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn The only favor the hate pages ever did Hailey was coaxing Shawn into posting there
35 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn and like it or not I do have MY own FBI contact
33 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn & yes,he works for Hailey.
33 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn He'll continue to bury himself
31 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn When you've threatened the lives of more than 10 ppl,uve got a serious problem
30 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Especially threatening harm to children if ppl don't do as u say
29 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Get over it,I never loved u,u always cried & made me feel sorry for your pathetic self & now u can't stand that u can't have me
28 minutes ago via mobile · Like

ima.grandma said...

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Go ahead next week & tell everyone how wonderful I am,it won't change a thing,just as it never does
27 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Also,I'd like to know why,on the day remains were found in Big Spring,many of my friends & family called & left messages for me,why would Shawn not tell me & why was Shawn so insitant on not going? True he knew he would be staying,as I had been begging him to leave for months,but why was he so sure that it wasnt her & I didnt need to go be with David?
20 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Every day Im filled with more doubt about him & Ive learned so much this last year & especially the last month or so. I will continye to hold out hope,but I will also do everything in my power to make the beast talk
18 minutes ago · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn yes,his mom paid his cell phone bill,so when Hailey went missing,I found out he was using my phone to call sex chat lines. Yes his mom bought him a little white car
16 minutes ago · Like · 1

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Then he let his mom spend 1,000$ on another polly from a well noted, renowned pollygrapher when he knew he would fail again.
14 minutes ago · Like · 1

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn he still denies that too. If youre going to bash me,use the truth,I put it all out there from jump. I myself,thats why ppl make things up.
9 minutes ago · Like · 1

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn His family should be ashamed for raising a person like that.
7 minutes ago · Edited · Like

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn My contact will be upset that his time was wasted on me yet again when ppl email them this stuff, so Ill just appologize to him now,sorry
6 minutes ago

Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn I'd be embarrassed to have to ask my mom for hemorrhoid ointment & cigarettes,but thats just me.

Anonymous said...

Has BD come back to CC?
NO!

Did BD ever attempt to look for her daughter?
NO!

Did BD change her number, change Hailey's room, get rid of Hailey's dog and lie to Police to protect SA?
YES!

Did BD move from the home Hailey was missing from ?
YES!

Did BD admit on Facebook that she LIED to LE regarding SA taking her to work on the morning of Dec. 27th?
YES!

Trigger said...

"If his family is indeed pedophiles...etc.have they been arrested or have they gotten away with it?"

Incest and child sexual abuse are so traumatic for the victim that they don't usually talk about it.

When they get the courage to talk, they are silenced by death threats. They are mocked.

They are called names and ridiculed. "Nobody will believe you" is the message that victims hear and believe.

Children are no match for an adult who wants to shut them up.

My abusers kept me silent by terrorizing me so bad that I fainted from fear.

Big Spring said...

She isn't posting anything that I can see under the Ostrander account. I have searched for the other one but can't find it. She must have me blocked! She must not have like the comment I left her...

ima.grandma said...

Try this link.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=571376952879418&id=210253018991815

Anonymous said...

@ concerned texas grandma. I'm not worried about Peter, just thought the comments were interesting and maybe others do too. They are very defensive. Certainly not supporting them. You don't have to read them if you don't want to.

kmn

Anonymous said...

kmn, I meant no offense.

ima.grandma said...

I previously commented a few posts ago that Shawn must have had help from a family member. My guess was his cousin Corey. I wonder if the uncle Billie is referring to is Corey's dad...

Lots to Say said...

Hobnobs, you make a good point that BD is he is "telegraphing her intent, she will roll on everyone."

Trigger, you are absolutely right about the silence and fear of an abused child. They do not go running to tell everyone and maybe not even anyone. I am sorry for your suffering.

Anon1, one of your latest comments is so similar to one written 2 years ago in another forum and evidently it is etched in my memory as I was able to find it very quickly. I believe I know who you are now. I have read your comments here and found many to be aggressive and pictured a man writing them. Now that I know who you are (pretty sure) I know you are sincere, suffering for the abused children and want justice. I do agree with many here that that post above is hard to read.

Dadgum, when a comment is made without an account, we cannot delete them ourselves. A moderator would have to do that.

Anonymous said...

The facebook page;

Instead of being grateful that someone found Haileys remains they openly display hatred toward that person. Strange and unexpected.

'Consider the source' exactly Concerned Texas Grandma!!! Who could that possibly be??????

All of a sudden Billie has started to point the finger at Shawn and they don't wonder why she never did this before. Ha. Really????

ANON 2013

Anonymous said...

None taken! I'm just a curious person.

kmn

Anonymous said...

Like Peter said last year, Billie Jean Dunn, the jig is up.

~ABC said...

"What made somebody want to hurt her? What did she do that was so bad?," Jones said. "I'm numb, I'm numb, I just don't want to live."

That statement by Connie Jones is disturbing to me. She is blaming Hailey too! Her thinking is that people who are killed have asked for it in some way. That they are getting what they deserved, and even her 13 year old Grandaughter wasn't exempt! She knows she let Hailey down too.

S + K Mum said...

Does it say on the facebook page that most on this blog suspect BJD is involved in Hailey's murder? I'll make a guess and say that it doesn't.

REK said...

another weird thing about BJO..she keeps trying to slam down SA..yet were are her reliable denials to state she had nothing to do with this? all i heard was.. i didn't know where she was for 30 months.. besides the time being off.its just like her alibi of stating she was at work first.. has to let us know "she didn't know where she ws this whole time"

also a line that stood out to me she says.. "the day i reported her missing" whihc indicates a different day that they were aware she was "gone"

also she slams SA for having his mom buy him a second polygraph test. this would be a perfect place to show her innocence by proclaiming she tried to take a second one too, or proclaim her innocence. yet she is only slamming him for wasting mom's money. why didn't BJD take a second poly??

Dee said...

"I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies! And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down! Is your family proud?! My daughter is dead! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty."

**************************************
This post is directed at Shawn or someone who can get the "message" to him. (Although she could just as well apply this to herself)

Why does she only refer to Hailey as a baby? Did she only love her as a baby and not when she was older as a teenager? I understand that Hailey was the "baby" of the family but the use of baby is over the top.
Pedophiles comes first, then child murderers. Has cause of death been released to you Billie? How do you know Hailey was sexually assaulted by a pedophile? How do you know Hailey was murdered? I thought you'd already lost your marbles, but some are still in there leaking out.

"shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down!"

I'm changing the wording a bit here - Shame on you Billie, you knew him best, for not getting and keeping him out of your house. Shame on you for ignoring that he had a monster deep down.

"Is your family proud?!" - Ask yourself that same question Billie. Is your family proud of what you've become? Is your family proud that you allowed hardcore porn and sexual deviancy into your home? Is your family proud that your desire to have a man, any man, cost Hailey her life?

"You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty."

Of course you want him to commit suicide Billie. It would solve a lot of your problems, wouldn't it?
What about your own family? Did they act on signs? Did you? Are you just as guilty? Yes you are, you just told us so. You had him live in your house, around your children knowing full well what he was. But it didn't matter to you because it is what you were also.

Anonymous said...

I'm so excited I bought the app podcast so I can finally listen to Crimewire! Good times, "see" ya'll tonight
NVmomma702

Anonymous said...

If Billie is leaving messages for Shawn on her facebook page, it makes me think of why she can't get a hold of him any other way. He hasn't been arrested yet, has he? Why can't she call him or email or text? DOes she really believes he's going to throw her under the bus (and would use any paper trail against her) or will he just not answer when she calls? I see her rage stemming from being ignored. You can't pretend to have inside knowledge of the case when the police refuse to release your daughter's body to you, you morally decrepit harpy. If Shawn kills himself, I doubt that will be the end of the case. She might get charged with conspiracy and obstruction, among other things. It would not be the end, Billie jean I'm-Not-Dunn.

-- Washington Anonymous

john said...

Grandmother wants justice for Hailey Dunn..

More than two years of searching and holding out hope ended Friday, and now family and friends want nothing more than justice for Hailey Dunn.

Scurry County officials confirmed that the remains found near Lake J.B. Thomas back in March were identified as missing Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn.

Hailey's paternal grandmother, Connie Jones, was devastated by the news.

"What made SOMEBODY want to HURT her? What did she did she do that was so bad," Jones said. "I'M NUMB, I'm NUMB, I JUST don't want to live."

(SOMEBODY)

Here she says somebody.we now see if ther is any change in language.
(HURT)

This is passive language,given that she knows Hailey has been murdered, she may not be able to bring herself to accept it?

Jones believes she knows where the investigation should begin.

"I THINK SHAUN ADKINS had something to do with IT. That's the FIRST THING that came out of my mouth, I asked, where the Hell is Shaun?" Jones said.

("I THINK SHAUN ADKINS had something to do with IT)

Here we have the change in language.Earlier she said "What made someone hurt her.I cant see why there is a change in language..

(That's the FIRST THING that came out of my mouth, I asked, where the Hell is Shaun?")

"THE FIRST THING"

Where there is a first thing,it is usually followed by a second thing.What was the second thing on her mind..?

"HELL" this is the first time this word is used.

Friday, officials wouldn't answer any questi0ns about the investigation, but we do know Hailey's mother's ex-boyfriend, Shawn Adkins has been the only named person of interest over the past two years.

"I THINK Billie WAS AFRAID of Shawn, BECAUSE Billie TOLD me she was AFRAID of Shawn," Jones said.

(I THINK)

She is unsure.

(WAS AFRAID )

Past tense,why isnt she afraid anymore?

(BECAUSE )

When there is a need to explain it becomes highly sensitive..

"TOLD"

(Told is more firm than said,and is usually a one way conversation.)

"AFRAID"

(Here afraid is used for the second time making it sensitive)

The grandmother says she wants nothing more than a few moments with the man she believes took Hailey's life.

"I WOULDN'T say ANYTHING , just smile. He's kept us in HELL and now his HELL is just beginning," Jones said.

"I WOULDN'T say ANYTHING "

(Double negative,making it sensitive..Why?)

"He's kept us in HELL and now his HELL is just beginning"

Here we have HELL used again making it three times.it now becomes highly sensitive.I would also like to ask her what her idea of hell is.

The search for Hailey is over, leaving this woman without her beloved granddaughter. She hopes others will realize this can happen to anyone.

"YOU think it's not going to touch ME. It's not going to touch MY town, but it touches YOU. In every way, it touches YOU," Jones said.

(You,Me,My,You and you again.
significant changes in pronouns)

Anonymous said...

When Hailey was missing Billie called for her own public appearances on t.v. to address the concerned public. She did this even after her attorney advised her not to.

Now that Hailey has been found she uses facebook to address her followers no more public appearances.

Does she know she isn't believed?

REK said...

i'm wondering if BJ is still ignoring pointhunter?

Anonymous said...

Maybe she is posting this thinking it can be used in court to prove she's crazy ?

Anonymous said...

She is sending a message to Shawn... kill yourself. Please. We're both going down.

Anonymous said...

Washington Anonymous:

More than likely, the reason BJD tries to communicate with SA is because her attorney (John Young) has told her to have nothing to do with SA, not to be seen with him, no phone calls, no texting. This is not the first time that BJD has said that she and SA had broken up. Nor is it the first rant that she's displayed toward SA. She was very angry when he was having an affair with another woman, shortly after Hailey went missing. She ranted and raved then, too, even telling the gf that she (the gf) could keep SA.

Facebook is the only means left to BJD of communicating with SA. And we all know that somehow, some way, BJD HAS to be heard. She just CANNOT keep her mouth shut - even if her life depended on it. And in this particular case - it just MIGHT.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

@ anon 12:51 I agree with you.

I was thinking the same thing.

She's send a message to SA to kill himself. She thinks she's still got a spell over him that he will comply with her control/requests.

For someone she so loved she'd still rather see him dead and save herself. One more time she's showing that narcissistic behavior she's all too good at.

She comes with a vengeance at anyone who gets in her way. She will stomp anyone that reflects poorly on her.

She probably wishes half of us dead so she can go on living in peace.

Anonymous said...

Facebook page;

Snipped; An admin posted this;

'Imo the evidence i know about, does NOT support any theories that SA or BD had any involvement in Hailey's disappearance or death. Hopefully LE will get that figured out soon'.


ANON 2013

ima.grandma said...

It seems like cousin Corey had a lot to say in March 2011:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-130401.html

More interesting info about Corey Norwood.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9287.820
 
This next link is info about Colton Norwood, Corey's dad and Shawn's uncle. The site states Colton is named on the search warrant as a resident. Colton is one of the stars in the slasher videos. He is 40 yrs. old.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/colorado-city-tx/T1FA1VMHCUGFML4NE/p321

Where there is smoke, there is generally a fire.

Excruciating Headache said...

Is Anon 1 engaging in attention-seeking behavior or recounting a personal experience?

Maybe both? Maybe nobody heard her scream. Maybe when it was over her mom didn't make it better. She blamed her for what happened.

Excruciating Headache said...

Come on, Anon 2013. Wishin' don't make it so.

Anonymous said...

Its a strange comment to make.
The facebook page admin know of more evidence than LE?? and what they know doesn't point to SA or BD??? Really?? Maybe they would like to share with us who it does point to then!! What a ridiculous thing to say.

ANON 2013

REK said...

the only "other evidence" thatim aware of is the hairdresser thought she saw hailey that day... possibly proven different by now or in my opinion thats an easy mistake if you're used to seeing someone walking about most days.. also the dog traced her to the motel.

but that's not very reliable either. it could have been from earlier that day hailey walked by tehre or even a couple days. dogs can pick up scents for quite a while. especially in a stagnant environment so theres no good timeline on when hailey walked by that motel.could have been a day before

S + K Mum said...

OT

Woman charged over acid attack of Naomi Omi

http://news.sky.com/story/1085050/dagenham-acid-attack-woman-charged

Anonymous said...

"ANON 2013" represents the "Hailey Dunn Updates & Discussion" facebook groun which has bashed this blog for years and defended Billie Jean Dunn as innocent since Day 1

Best to ignore, with a final word from LE:

Before Hailey's remains were found, Mitchell County affidavits named Billie and Shawn as Persons of Interest

Now that Hailey's remains have been found, the case is an official homicide and the TWO Persons of Interest - Billie and Shawn - shift to the category of SUSPECTS

Have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

No I do not represent any Hailey facebook page. My opinion is that BD and SA are guilty which if you read both my posts you will see that. I was pointing out what they said and wondering who they think is responsible, duh!

ANON 2013

valyriew said...

Peter u are really getting to BJD. She and her followers are attempting to discredit the principals of Statement Analysis on a regular basis.It's almost comical the way they attempt to make u and followers of the blog out to be stupid, uniformed, slanderous...etc. Really if she would keep her big mouth shut there wouldn't be so much material to analyze. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see or hear what she's been telling us since day 1. She and Shawn Adkins are culpable in this murder.

Anonymous said...

Please re-read what I wrote.

I quoted (and also wrote 'snipped') what someone on that page wrote. Have a look yourself. It is an open page so unless you are banned you will be able to read it yourself.

I will have a nice day, thank you!

ANON 2013

~mj said...

Curious, if BJD were to, right now say, "I didn't have anything to do with Hailey's death"

Would it be reliable, after all of this time and all of the coaching to teach her what she isn't saying?

Red Ryder said...

Et tu, Billie?
How is she going to sell this given the volume of pornography and CHILD PORNOGRAPHY taken from her home? Bit of the pot calling the kettle black there huh? Got a bit of monster going on?
Several of you called it as I see it too, narcissistic rage-and it is UGLY I can imagine SA's suicide would be most welcome. Well- at least she still has David!
As events unfold and the "walls" close in and her options become limited I suspect her behavior will become more erratic and extreme. SA should take care, he is not in favor any more and a narcissist will go far to exact vengeance even for petty matters.

Red Ryder said...

Edit to above post: I can imagine SA 's suicide would be most welcome -to her-.
I do not encourage or counsel anyone to suicide, better they deal with whatever needs dealing with right here and now:)
Thanks,
RR

Lis said...

Bingo!!

Lis said...

But Billie, I thought it was just a hobby?

Trigger said...

It was interesting that BD claims to have her own FBI contact person.

Is this through her attorney Mr. Young or does she have direct contact?

This would be the same Mr. Young who made false statements to the media about speaking to Mr. Lloyd.

maemae said...

mj said...
Curious, if BJD were to, right now say, "I didn't have anything to do with Hailey's death"

Would it be reliable, after all of this time and all of the coaching to teach her what she isn't saying?

I can't fathom anyone believing anything that BJD would say. Convicted liar.

dadgum said...

Thank you Lots to Say..I kinda like that little trashcan..one never knows who might be hurt.

Lemon said...

BJD is begging all pedophiles, child murderers & their families…after the fact Hailey's remains have been found. Hailey is dead, and Billie is now begging...

While Hailey was "missing", she did not beg. She did not beg for help to find her daughter, she did not beg for information, she did not beg LE, she did not beg for her daughters life, she did not beg supposed kidnappers, nada, zip, zero from Billie Dunn.

Billie, and John Stacy Inc, your timing is way off.
It is too late to beg.

Trigger said...

"Snitches get stitches" according to BD.

Only abusers need to threaten others to silence them.

When that fails, shame them, and tell them they don't deserve to live. Then, strongly suggest suicide as a remedy.

Look how many children of the Steven Powell family are dead because someone got "mouthy" about the family secrets. Five.

Trigger said...

Lemon,

You are right. Begging is not something that is comfortable for BD, not even in the event that her daughter goes missing. She never begged for Hailey's safety, life, or the other things that you stated.

She has displayed a new behavior.

Concerned Texas Grandma said...

REK said...
i'm wondering if BJ is still ignoring pointhunter?

I believe that BJD didn't want Hailey found, that could explain why she refuses to acknowledge him. At some point she may come face to face with him and at that point she may feel she must speak to him but only to make herself look good in front of others.

If it were me I'd be grateful to this man if he'd found my daughter so she could be laid to rest and there could be some closure but it seems apparent that BJD had closure from day one from her lies and actions.

To start with I would certainly not have posted on FB offering to give away Hailey's dog. Who does that?

Hailey had just been reported missing! How did she know Hailey wouldn't be home? How do you think that sweet child would have felt 'IF she had been missing' and actually returned home to no dog and no family! FYI, They would have had to pry my missing daughter's dog from my arms!

Who changes their daughter's room when she's missing? Who changes their number and moves?
Who gets a memorial tattoo when the child is living?

Who sneaks (yes they were sneaking around) around Colorado City to see the man Police think might be involved.... especially considering that BJD admitted on FB that she knew all those horrid things about him and his family way before Hailey was reported missing! She left Colorado City because she couldn't stand that she was being watched!

They released the information about Hailey's partial remains on Friday. Where is BJD? Wouldn't ANY other Mother have been in Colorado City that day ?!

To say she should be ashamed is a terrible understatement. From what I've seen and heard she must have no conscience, morals or decency at all. My God this WAS her child that she carried for nine months that was tossed out like trash! It is absolutely disgusting that her 'cheerleaders' aka supporters are so blind.

She choose SA over Hailey and her supporters refuse to see the facts, they choose BJD over Hailey.

I'm just thankful Hailey is finally loved in Heaven by our Lord and nobody can ever hurt her again.



Concerned Texas Grandma said...

Billie said Um...wherever YOU ARE HAILEY, I'm lookin for you, hundreds of people are lookin for you. WE ALL WANT YOU home safe.
Um...I just want TO SEE AND TOUCH YOUR BEAUTIFUL FACE. Um...I really love you. I desperately need you home.


She NEVER looked for Hailey! All the woman can do is lie!

Concerned Texas Grandma said...

Trigger said...
It was interesting that BD claims to have her own FBI contact person.

Could this be the FBI guy that Billie wouldn't leave alone and he finally refused to take her calls? (That is what I'm told. )

Trigger said...

"Could this be the FBI guy that Billie wouldn't leave alone and he finally refused to take her calls?"

What's this?

She must have used sexual language and he felt dirty.

Anonymous said...

At the beginning of the facebook post Billie wrote; I think she is writing from a place of solidarity with Carrie McGonigle (Amber Dubois' Mom). John Gardener was a pedophile and lived with his Mother (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012/jun/27/citylights1-creation-monster-john-gardner/). McGonigle has been a staunch supporter of Billie, and I'm sure that continues today. They have a shared experience, which Billie is exploiting and lying about. Carrie of course had nothing to do with Amber's abduction and murder, while IMO, Billie was directly involved with Hailey's murder.

The end, as Peter pointed out, specifically refers to Shawn and his family. Billie has from day one, tried to build an alibi for herself. Keep talking honey, it's quite obvious to us all what you are trying to achieve.

Anonymous said...

Proverbs 7:21-27
which seems to describe BD and SA.

With much seductive speech she persuades him; with her smooth talk she compels him. All at once he follows her, as an ox goes to the slaughter, or as a stag is caught fast till an arrow pierces its liver; as a bird rushes into a snare; he does not know that it will cost him his life. And now, O sons, listen to me, and be attentive to the words of my mouth. Let not your heart turn aside to her ways; do not stray into her paths, ...

Anonymous said...

Everything "Concerned Texas Grandma" said!!!!

Anonymous said...

RJ, even with all the coaching she still can't learn to use Hailey's name.

Anonymous said...

This scenario reminds me of a situation I found myself in years ago. I was married to a woman who unknown to me at that time was deeply involved in the occult specific to Satanism. This is a large coven of multi-generational Satanists. After they learned I had discovered their ritual site they came after me. I was getting the same messages from them, playing mind games, trying to get me to commit suicide, threatening to have me murdered, etc. This is their modus operandi, deny, deny and blame the witness, discredit and defame when they are cornered.

















Anonymous said...

Really Billie? How "deep" was SA monster hidden? How much evidence do you need? Oh, wait. I guess if you share the same tastes in deviant porn, music, behaviors it makes it hard to find that one little thing that sets him apart from your version of goodness and morality. Who could guess that hidden in that dark, gloomy, dangerous forest there was a rotten tree?

"Why didn't no one tell me?"

Anonymous said...

Edit Deviant porn is redundant in my book.

Fabulous said...

B-J, YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON.

David will go on with his free life without you. You won't be free to shop. You won't be free to have sex with anyone you want. You won't be free to go to concerts, or even sit in your own living room and watch a movie. No drugs, no favorite foods.
Pick up a picture of your daughter and look into her eyes. Let the shame wash over you. YOU did this. You brought him into her life after all the warning signs. You are not innocent. You are guilty.
Enjoy!

stop_playing_dumb said...

Billie Jean Dunn just updated her profile pic to include her husband.

Anonymous said...

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Hopefully all of the people who are a part of the hailey dunn discussion group (facebook) do come to this blog and read. They will see that nobody is saying anything bad about Hailey.
Quite the opposite: Crying out for justice for her.

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Anonymous said...

I wonder if Billie read this article published a few days before she posted her facebook message? This is in regards to a child sex ring in Alabama and one of the suspects committing suicide after a witness "disappeared" and she was last seen with him. Note reference to Texas in article.

"He was always nice, smiling," said Brittney's father, Wallace Hanke. "You wouldn't know by looking at him and talking to him that he was a demon. That's all he was, was a demon."

"Investigators have also looked at alternative theories in Brittney’s disappearance, and many are still out there searching.

Authorities have even sought help from deputies in Texas to check out leads and visit the homes of some of Brittney's out-of-state friends."

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/special_reports/special-report-missing-brittney
Just another anon

Anonymous said...

excellent, but I read the 'that' of 'that demon' as attributive...'that' as opposed to 'this.' Look again

Anonymous said...

Her ex-husband

Shelley said...

Her rants on Facebook say one thing to me.

It came after rumors that Shawn is working on a plea deal.

This is about building her defense. In the past couple years she's NEVER lashed out towards anyone. All
The sudden now she's going overboard.

It's all part of her role. Act the part of a greiving mother. Act innocent and point out guilt in others.

But Billie is not able to sound like a true greiving mother because she's not. So she's doing what she thinks sounds that way.

But coming from a life where that was never normal she has to be struggling with this act. It has to be driving her crazy. Wondering if she sounds like a grieving mother.

But she's failing horribly. In fact just being on Facebook is enough for me. She's more worried about how she looks than really greiving. And had she really felt this way about Shawn she never would have dated him much less moved him in.

She's behind this just as much. But rumors he may seek his own plea is bring out her attempts to push blame back to him and him alone.


rkg said...

Anon1:

I respect what you're trying to get across with the graphic language, and I agree with you.

However, I could not get through your first post, as it is so painful to me, as a human and a mother, to read those details.

I respect your input in all your comments on this site, and I certainly support the message you're trying to send with the posts in question on this board. Would you mind, though, for any future comments of that nature, to please type a disclaimer prior to the body of your post? If you could warn us before posting, those who wish to read further, can, and those of us who would be in tears the rest of the night if we read it, would know not to. That way, your message is extended, and those who have a difficult time emotionally processing the reality of child sexual abuse can move to another post.

Thank you for doing what you can to look out for the kids!

Anonymous said...

Where she says "you must have known that demon was in there", she is not using demon as a name. Rather, she calls it "that demon". You can read her statement as "You must have know (that) that demon was in there." I believe you could apply your this/that analysis here, though.

Anonymous said...

Would someone please attempt to make sense of this garble? Reading it, it sounds like she's in Austin at first, the end sounds like she's somewhere else and David isn't with her.
Thanks Dawn
Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Also,I'd like to know why,on the day remains were found in Big Spring,many of my friends & family called & left messages for me,why would Shawn not tell me & why was Shawn so insitant on not going? True he knew he would be staying,as I had been begging him to leave for months,but why was he so sure that it wasnt her & I didnt need to go be with David?
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~mj said...

Rkg, thank you for your validation to anon 1 and for putting it succinctly for those that are triggered.

BostonLady said...

Anonymous said...

Would someone please attempt to make sense of this garble? Reading it, it sounds like she's in Austin at first, the end sounds like she's somewhere else and David isn't with her.
Thanks Dawn
Billie Jean Ostrander Dunn Also,I'd like to know why,on the day remains were found in Big Spring,many of my friends & family called & left messages for me,why would Shawn not tell me & why was Shawn so insitant on not going? True he knew he would be staying,as I had been begging him to leave for months,but why was he so sure that it wasnt her & I didnt need to go be with David?
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April 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM

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This statement from Billie was from March 2012 when the first body was found at the airport and she was still living with Shawn.

~ABC said...

Concerned Texas Grandma said...
Billie said Um...wherever YOU ARE HAILEY, I'm lookin for you, hundreds of people are lookin for you.
She NEVER looked for Hailey! All the woman can do is lie!

April 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Nope, she hasn't looked for anything but a bottle of hair dye and another pill to pop! And all of this LOOKING she claims she did, pfffffft, she still can't seem to muster the decency to thank the man who actually found Hailey.

~ABC said...

stop_playing_dumb said...
Billie Jean Dunn just updated her profile pic to include her husband.

April 30, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Wow. She's really laying it on thick isn't she? And the thicker she spreads it the thinner it gets.

Shelley said...

Her rants on Facebook say one thing to me.

It came after rumors that Shawn is working on a plea deal.

This is about building her defense. In the past couple years she's NEVER lashed out towards anyone. All
The sudden now she's going overboard.

It's all part of her role. Act the part of a greiving mother. Act innocent and point out guilt in others.

But Billie is not able to sound like a true greiving mother because she's not. So she's doing what she thinks sounds that way.

But coming from a life where that was never normal she has to be struggling with this act. It has to be driving her crazy. Wondering if she sounds like a grieving mother.

But she's failing horribly. In fact just being on Facebook is enough for me. She's more worried about how she looks than really greiving. And had she really felt this way about Shawn she never would have dated him much less moved him in.

She's behind this just as much. But rumors he may seek his own plea is bring out her attempts to push blame back to him and him alone.


Peter Hyatt said...

Very astute, Shelly.

Even as just a rumor, it caused a reaction.

ecossie possie said...

Galls like billienotdunnothing .
An in my misspent prime I met a few .

And men as well but theres a big difrence.

Woman folk like the person of interst.
When under personal attack there only instinct is to attack back.

But men of the same ilk as the accused also attack not with words.
But boots fists knifes whatevers to hand.

An you can only feel threatened if you have something to hide .

Than can be used to make you feel affeart.

Trigger said...

Hi Anon 1

You have stated the truth about child victims.

Child victims suffer from the most painful afflictions that a human can bear without the ability to stop it.

Keep up the good work and keep telling people about the plight of the wounded little children.

rkg said...

I, too, read the "that demon" statement as a phrase that could have been worded, "that that demon," and is also stated grammatically correctly using only one "that." It would be similar to "that this demon," except for using "that" in place of "this." I also feel very awkward using "that that" in my language, and avoid it by leaving out one "that."

Don't get me wrong; there are plenty of other significant portions of her post. I just don't think this one amounts to anything more than one vs. two "that-s."

Trigger said...

As I listened to the radio blog, Peter and Kaaryn made sense about the childhood of Hailey Dunn.

Hailey Dunn was the victim of a violent pedophile according to the language used by BD.

Hailey Dunn's life with BD and SA must have been a daily nightmare of betrayal and fear. A child who was forced into sexual activities against her will and could not disclose it for fear of death.

maemae said...

stop_playing_dumb said...
Billie Jean Dunn just updated her profile pic to include her husband.

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I looked at this picture. IMO this collage is about BillieJeanDunnNothing. Clint is out of focus and Hailey is faded. The only sharp image is BillieJeanDunnNothing.
I'm not surprised.

ecossie possie said...

I cannot beleive the stones of this woman billeie dunnandusted .

She is tottaly trying tp otray herself as a nieve lovestruck vulnarable person .
Whom had no clue abour shawn askins.

An yet shes leaking self guilt an self knowlages all over.

Oh hjs gran knew but not her clints mom knew but not her

Everyone knew but not her but she slips up she refrences oh they knwew of incindences of abuse but never spoke up

TRANSLATION NEVER TOLD ME,

Bur billie dear thay doesnt make any sence,

You could have said Ive now heard of an incident...An inncident..A one of event...

That would make some sence if you said Ive heard of an incident that I wasnt told about.

Plausable Deneial.

But how can you say Iv hears of incidences ie more than one .
More that two incidences means many events.

Hoe the fruck can you hear of multiple instances about your boyfreind whom your sure would never harm Hailey an claim it never sank inhe might be dangerous .

Wernt the death threats also a clue Billlienotdunnothing or where the just more lies to the 911 operater.

PS Billie instead of calling your ex shawn adkins retarded.
You may want to start pointing that descripter at your self as it may save your life.

Better to be classified as a live retard .

Than a dead body thats just stiff

Katie said...

Trigger,

I was thinking today that it was fear of death that kept Hailey quiet. The threat against someone she loved dearly.

Peter Hyatt said...

Kaaryn's main point on the program was that it was Billie Jean Dunn, herself, with no information from law enforcement, who introduced pedophilia, that is, the sexual abuse of a child, even before she brought up child murderer.

Where did that information come from?

How did she know her daughter had been sexually molested by a pedophile?

This is an example of consciousness of guilt.

Her followers must be wondering how it is that she came up with this, without awareness of the sexual abuse of her daughter.

What was more important to the subject?

Was it the sexual activity (pedophilia) or was it child murder?

Pedophilia, Kaaryn pointed out, was listed before child murder.

This speaks to not only knowledge, but priority.

It is an example of awareness of guilt.

~mj said...

Marybeth's momma said she was afraid too. If I knew there was no sleepover planned, I would have been way more vocal about it...unless I had a darn good reason to fear for my child. I believe BJD and SA have very REAL reputations in the darker side of life that made this mother and her child very afraid.

Sus said...

http://www.ktxs.com/news/attorney-slain-teens-mother-hasnt-been-questioned-since-remains-found/-/14769632/19957980/-/9x5whi/-/index.html

Billie can't say she got the information from LE. According to this article, which just came out a few hours ago, LE has only spoken to Billie about the identity of the remains...from the mouth of Billie's own lawyer.

ecossie possie said...

Trigger, you are absolutely right about the silence and fear of an abused child. They do not go running to tell everyone and maybe not even anyone. I am sorry for your suffering

When you are abussed as a child .
Especialy by a Family or Family members.

They are older they have control and you are frightened and isolated.

But your over rideing fear an hurt is caused by SHAME.

You cannot confide in your peers schoolmates ect.
Because you see glimpses of ther home life an you know that yours is alein to what you obseve .

From others your own age.
You dont want to be the weirdo .
Your homelife is a nightmare so you at least want your freindships with children to be normal .

I have life long freinds to this day 40 odd years after the events whom I have still never talked to about the abuse I endured as a child

Sarah said...

this is ironic since she is basically the person she is supposedly talking to. this reads like a soliloquy.

Although I think she is probably doing what Peter described, trying to manipulate Shawn/a jury, I wonder if out of the abundance of her heart, she speaks of herself and to herself without realizing it. SHE is the mother--SHE should have protected Hailey and had nothing to do with Shawn. I am SO SICK of all these boyfriends and stepdads and live-ins hurting/killing children!!!!!!!! And the mothers just let it happen! How, HOW can these losers override the maternal instinct? What is wrong with people?


I hope she doesn't kill herself and I hope Shawn doesn't kill himself either. I hope both of them live to sincerely repent of their sins and live out whatever punishment on earth is decided for them. It is more likely that one will do the other harm before either of them does anything to themselves.

~ABC said...

BJD saw no danger in SAdkins because they are 2 peas in a pod. She is not aware of danger in the same way a normal person is. She was raised in abuse of all types and so that lifestyle is normal for her. Her guidelines are skewed. She knew what Shawn was/is and wanted it that way. In her world sex with children is not abnormal.

~ABC said...

Sarah said...

How, HOW can these losers override the maternal instinct?

April 30, 2013 at 9:47 PM

There's no need to override what you don't possess.

~mj said...

When it comes to sex with children I can no longer try to understand the mind. That is so far off the mark that there is no possible way to understand ....I can't ask, "I wonder what she was thinking" b/c whatever she is thinking is twisted, tainted and poisoned from her fall to a degraded sexual appetite. It would be like assuming we shared the thought and reason pattern of a farm animal.

Sarah said...

ABC, I know what you mean but I just don't understand how a woman can have a child and not have what I believe is an innate desire and need to protect at all costs. I know people who are like this obviously are lacking in that department but how do they get to that place…that's what I don't understand. A mother's love seems to me to be one of the most natural and strong forces there are. I can't understand how you raise a child up, like in Hailey's case, from a baby and just throw her life away like she is literally garbage. Or how these "parents" can hurt their babies. I just saw a news story today of a "boyfriend' who was "watching" his girlfriend's 4 month old baby. He sodomized the baby girl, then choked her to death. HONESTLY!!!! How can God be so patient with humanity? Seeing every moment of every pure evil deed. Sometimes I just want it all to end!

Anonymous said...

There is a plan to make money off Hailey's death by selling Justice for Hailey items. Is this to replace the money that Deniese Bennett Coates ripped off from fundraising to find Hailey? Did she steal this money because she did not want Hailey found? Peter can you analyse her stealing posts as she also cannot stay away from posting despite being told to stay off Hailey pages. I believe she is the admin of the WOJ page. If anyone buys these shirts, please ask that the profit be used to replace the stolen funds.

Anonymous said...

It's just a shame if they are really planning to make money off this child's death!

I found this a bit ago.

Hailey Dunn Updates & Discussion shared Hope for Hailey's status.

Hailey's Memorial is in the planning. Everyone is invited to pay their respects at this service as Hailey's funeral will be a private family service.

We do not have a date set in stone as of yet, but wanted to give everyone the opportunity to order flowers early for Hailey's Memorial. The Floral Shops in C-City are posted below.
Thank you all so much for your overwhelming kindness and love for Hailey. We hope to honor Hailey this night surrounded by beauty and love just like Hailey herself was beauty and love to all of us

~mj said...

@anon @ 10:11

Interesting that you are "the only one" to realize something on her page, yet you remain anonymous.

Honesty... Your accusation falls flat.

Dead flat.

~ABC said...

I know Sarah. I've come to a place of accepting that some people just do not think as most of us do and there is no way for us to fathom their minds, thank God! It's beyond comprehension. They are very lowly evolved creatures. I can't even compare them to animals because even animals are protective of their young!

BostonLady said...

I know Peter told us to expect the violent responses from the Billie Jean supporters but they are relentless. The FB group with trolls that come here to disrupt are posting the most vile disgusting things on their page and blaming it on Peter and his blog. I hope people who read their twisted posts realize this is from their disturbed minds and not anything discussed here.

I have only seen a sample and that is enough.

Hailey Dunn gets lost in all of it.

Focus on Justice said...

The accusations posted here by Anonymous posters at 10:59 and 11:16 may also be found on the Hailey Dunn Updates & Discussion FB page.

The adminstrators and members of this particular page are in opposition of this blog, Peter and any and all individuals who fail to support Billie Dunn.

You cannot talk your way out of what you behaved yourself into -- S. R. Covey









dahbou said...

ecossie possie,

Wow, very powerful words! I am sorry to hear about the abuse you suffered.

Peter Hyatt said...

It is not lost that when they smear the names of those who wish for justice, they do so anonymously, or under false names.

REK said...

I wish i could listen to the show but i don't have access on this computer. that was my main concern..noticing pedofile came before murder. and she was leaking out info.. we all speculated that..but she hadn't let us known that

Peter Hyatt said...

REK,

I think it will be used in trial :

it shows an awareness of the sexual aspect of the homicide.

This is why attorneys muzzle their clients.

REK said...

Is it possible to upload the shows to youtube?

Trigger said...

ecossie possie,

My heart goes out to you because you suffered unjustly, with no power to stop it.

I know that you do not crave sympathy but understanding.

I believe that Hailey wanted to feel safe, cherished, and understood but what she got was betrayal, death, and degradation.

Shawn's bravado caused him to tell LE that he threatened BD and Hailey with death.

Why was he so willing to declare it?

Death or death threats are the most effective tools to silence a victim.

Nic said...

Concerned Texas Grandma said:
They released the information about Hailey's partial remains on Friday. Where is BJD? Wouldn't ANY other Mother have been in Colorado City that day ?!


Susan Powell's dad was on site, waiting, when LE was where they thought they might find Susan's remains.

BJD said: TO SEE AND TOUCH YOUR BEAUTIFUL FACE

This statement always bugged me. Why reference just the (beautiful) face as opposed to all of Hailey? Why not just "see and touch your face". Why use beautiful? Was it not beautiful after [they] were done with her? Did BJD "beat her face in"?

Knowing what was found (or not found), maybe this statement has more connotation than we first believed. Maybe the scavengers hadn't spread Hailey's remains as much as we believe they did.

Lastly, remember back to 2011 when much was being revealed about SA and BJD's relationship? He called 911 on Valentine's Day to say that BJD threatened to kill herself because he broke up with her. Maybe this is her way of holding her breath to get what she wants. Threatening suicide because of breaking up meant that she loved him and wouldn't live without him. Saying that he should commit suicide is her way of cutting bait (taking her love away) if he throws her under the bus. In any event, to me, tthe FB reference sounds more of a "merlot moment" than anything. There's no way she was "straight" when she pounded out all of what was posted here from FB.


jmo

Anonymous said...

ecossie possie siad...
You cannot confide in your peers schoolmates ect. Because you see glimpses of ther home life an you know that yours is alein to what you obseve .


ecossie possie, thank you for this insight. I realize it is painful for you but your sharing helps to understand. This is something that may not be understood, which is that Hailey may not have told her friends or family what was happening to her and what was really going on in her house. We assume she would have told someone, but so far no one has said that she did (maybe they confided to LE).

Anonymous said...

ABC said...
BJD saw no danger in SAdkins because they are 2 peas in a pod. She is not aware of danger in the same way a normal person is. She was raised in abuse of all types and so that lifestyle is normal for her. Her guidelines are skewed. She knew what Shawn was/is and wanted it that way. In her world sex with children is not abnormal.


I understand your point but I have to respectfully disagree. Why did she lie if she did not know it was abnormal? Why did she seek to hide their lifestyle and what took place in her home?

Also, there are many people who suffered terrible abuse as children who did not grow up to accept it as the norm and who live good decent lives.

~ABC said...

Anon @ 12:55 said....
Why did she lie if she did not know it was abnormal? Why did she seek to hide their lifestyle and what took place in her home?

That's all part of the mindset. Just because they recognize that others may see it as wrong doesn't mean THEY see the wrong. Hence reams of justifications and lies. Remember this is about subjective personal understanding of truth. Not necessarily material truth. You are trying to apply your understanding of why someone would lie and it's just not the same for a criminal mind.

Also, there are many people who suffered terrible abuse as children who did not grow up to accept it as the norm and who live good decent lives.

That's right, and you can count me in that group. So this is why after many years of trying to comprehend why my abusers did what they did, I've come to a place of accepting that some people just aren't wired right and no normal thinking person will ever comprehend it entirely.

Anonymous said...

ABC,

Thank you for explaining your point of view. I will give it careful consideration. I have concern that BD's lawyer could try to use that as a defense. What do you think of that possibility?

~ABC said...

Anon @ 1:10

You're welcome and thank you too :)

I think they will use anything they can come up with to defend themselves. No matter what BJD or SAdkins life experience may be it is no defense for what I, and many others, believe they've done. It may be a reason, but not an excuse. They need to pay the consequences. That's just how it works. Karma is real. We are all part of a group called society and when you break the rules you pay the price. No matter why you did it. That is justice.

Anonymous said...

ABC you nailed it. Thank you.

Dawn

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla

On Monday December 27th,

SHAWN left the house at 5:30, my alarm WAS GOING OFF AROUND THE TIME HE WAS TELLING ME "bye".

Um... I GOT UP AND got ready for work, I USUALLY LEAVE THE house by 6:20. When my ride didn't SHOW UP, I called HER TO SEE WHAT WAS KEEPING HER

UM... I PEEKED IN at Hailey, because I'M USED TO SEEIN HER sleep ON THE COUCH. She wasn't THERE, I REMEMBERED Oh, yeah, she was in her room. I PEEKED IN AN IT WAS DARK, but her TV was on, AND IT DEFINITELY PACIFIED ME, I, I didn't TOUCH HER, but I seen MY DAUGHTER AN FELT GOOD. CAME IN THE LIVING ROOM to wait on my ride.

Um... I left the house around 6:30 and got to work about 7.