Monday, April 29, 2013

Person Of Interest In Hailey Dunn Case on Facebook

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By complaining about the plea bargain, it presupposes that she knows there is something to bargain about. Anonymous 
Would your first concern be a plea deal or that someone has been identified as your daughter's killer? If it has been confirmed with a plea deal, wouldn't a mother first be thankful that her daughter's killer has been found?
She is mad about the plea deal but no commentary on the fact that he killed her daughter??????


I think there is little her attorney can do to stop her from attention seeking and attempting to manipulate a future jury pool. 


Her attorney:

"Billie is devastated, although we realized this could be the result.”

Analysis by Kaaryn Gough:  
“although”—like, “but” and “however” serves to counter what was said previously. If you turn the sentence around and write it, “Although we realized this could be the result, Billie is devastated.” this tells us they did not anticipate that Billie would be “devastated. What result did they expect?

“realized.”—not “anticipated/thought/knew/predicted”. “realized” speaks to an awareness that was not there previously. Why wouldn’t her attorney (and others in the “we”) anticipate or give thought to the fact Billie would most likely be devastated when she found out it was Hailey? Why was it more a ‘realization’ for them?

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

It sounds like to me that Billie is made because she thinks Shawn is getting a plea bargain. It doesn't sound like LE has approached her yet.

Anonymous said...

I meant mad not made

Anonymous said...

That is BD asking for the death penalty?

LOL I hope it comes back to bite her in the butt for her role for the murder! FRY!!!!!!!!!

loulou said...

I think BJD just confirmed SA is working a plea bargain. :)

OldPsychNurse said...

Oh, wooooooooe is Billie. We should all be angry about the plea dead that sends Billie's EVIL @$$ to prison. Isn't that right, Billie?

Anonymous said...

Billie should have been angry 28 months ago...and been more proactive in the search for Hailey, her daughter... if she was/is innocent of ANY wrongdoing related to it. just saying

Anonymous said...

But we know she had to protect Shawn. ...

Shelley said...

This is going to be a very interesting case.

I think we should start talking more about the Celis family, Dylans dad and the others.

Meanwhile, I hope as this plays out, those other parents start to feel the walls closing in.

IT may not happen but I sure hope this is a sign of more breaks to come in these missing kid cases.

Shelley said...

And does anyone know if Billie has more than one facebook? Real ones that is that are actually authored by her.

The one I have book marked has her name as "BilleJean Ostrander" and jsut has a timeline photo of Hailey that says "FOUND" and underneath, "Rest in Peace"

This one is different.

Jo said...

Would your first concern be a plea deal or that someone has been identified as your daughter's killer? If it has been confirmed with a plea deal, wouldn't a mother first be thankful that her daughter's killer has been found?

She is mad about the plea deal but no commentary on the fact that he killed her daughter??????

Peter Hyatt said...

Great point, Jo. I will add that in. Thanks Peter

Excruciating Headache said...

I'm kind of stumped on the finer points of statement analysis.

Although I realized that Hailey was probably dead, I still held out hope that she would be found alive.

That's what I got from the attorney's statement. By assigning meaning to every word, do you ever miss the forest for the trees?

Anonymous said...

The more she talks she worse it looks for her. Nothing BD does or says is for anyone except BD.

Peter Hyatt said...

Excruciating Headache said...
I'm kind of stumped on the finer points of statement analysis.

Although I realized that Hailey was probably dead, I still held out hope that she would be found alive.

That's what I got from the attorney's statement. By assigning meaning to every word, do you ever miss the forest for the trees?
April 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM


In early January, 2011, I posted that Hailey was dead. I did so based solely upon the mother's own words. Each and every word was closely examined.

Mother consistently spoke of daughter in past tense, as if dead.

Mother consistently had need to persuade rather than report.

The principles don't change.

Anonymous said...

Next, will be "NO jury will convict me"!

Peter Hyatt said...

I think there will be a lot of similarities between BJD and the Casey Anthony trial.

Anonymous said...

Excruciating Headache when she was 'missing' for more than a few weeks I felt she was dead. BD and SA lies convinced me she was dead. I think we all wanted to hope but LE always says there is a small window in which they generally find someone alive.

Anonymous said...

Peter Hyatt said...
I think there will be a lot of similarities between BJD and the Casey Anthony trial.


Peter, I hope you are wrong. I am sick of murdering Mothers getting sympathy and being set free!

Excruciating Headache said...

Thanks, Peter.

I should probably buy a book so I can follow along better.

Shelley said...

Too bad the truth drug cant be injected into them both....

I dont get why you have the right to remain silent.

I mean if your innocent, you dont have anything to worry about. And if someone was murdered and you did it for any reason other than self defense or to protect someone else then you should be in jail.

I think anyone on trial for murder or suspected in a childs disapearance.... should be shot up.

Make them tell the dam truth.

The world would be a much safer place if bad people could not rely on their lies or expensive attorneys to could the truth.

Imagine if we could put Celis parents, McCain parents, Dylans dad, Aylas dad... Billie, Shawn etc in a room and shoot them all up with the drug and make them tell the truth.

Solve these crimes once and for all and get justice.

Seagull said...

Her attorney:

"Billie is devastated, although we realized this could be the result.”

I'm a little confused by the above. I follow Kaaryn's comments but as the Attorney made the statement, I was interested how statement analysis is interpreted in this context. Does it highlight, given the way the comment was made, that the Attorney has reservations about what BJD is saying or are his words influenced by BJD? The realization of what was expected is questioned along with the result they expected. In this instance, given the attorney may not know the outcome (innocent until proven guilty etc) does his statement reflect a team, "we" answer or his own thoughts? Am I be being a little Naive? Statements don't come from a Vacuum so would I be right in thinking that if the Attorney thought BJD was innocent, he would have phrased the statement differently. My head is muddled :) I hope that made sense. If anyone can help clear my confused head, I'd be grateful. Thank you

Peter Hyatt said...

Seagull,

it sounds more like you are thinking than getting muddled!

It may sound awkward to you, but you come from a position of truth and trust.

Put yourself in his shoes and think what it is that he already knows and then go over it again.

Peter

john said...

Hi Seagull,

your not on your own with that one,i still cant rap my head around it.

My mind nearly exploded when i read it.lol..

I am tired,i will come back and read it again tomorrow.

Seagull said...

That was quick Peter. Thank you. I've got my thinking head on. I'm looking at order. Billie is first again and we are left to guess what she is devastated about ( I know we can't say it for someone unless they say it themselves so he could be telling the truth in so much that she is devastated that the truth may come out)Individual in the first part of the sentence, "Billie is devastated. Ths changes to, athough "we" realized this could be the result" I find "result" an nterestng word choice as opposed to "outcome"

Anonymous said...

It sounds like he is saying that since "we" knew Billie is guilty and was already aware that Hailey was dead, we were surprised ( when we realized )that she was devastated. We didn't expect that from her.

Seagull said...

Oops, I apologise for the missing "I's" I need to press my keyboard keys more firmly. No sensitivity or lack of commitment intended :)

Peter Hyatt said...

Seagull,

there are plenty of times I drop a pronoun because of weak commitment: I am simply not sure of something.

I also write, "it has been reported..." which is passive. Passivity suggests concealing identity or responsibility. Unless a source wishes to be made known, you'll see passivity in my language.

Don't fret over your own analysis...go easy on yourself!

Peter

Anonymous said...

Had he said, "Although BILLIE realized this could be the result, (there is no preparing for that kind of bad news)she is still devastated" the meaning would be different.

But in Young's case he has a strange habit of using we. (Our daughter etc.) Has that been taken into account in this statement? Isn't there a baseline or something like that? I'm so ready for the SA lessons and homework to begin when things settle down!

Seagull said...

Hi John,

Thank you for helping me realise I'm not alone. I follow Kaaryn's comments but got to thinking about context and who said what too much. It's late in the UK and my head is protesting. Pillow v Statement Analysis... S.A. is winning for the moment. Once I get a thought in my head...

I appreciate you saying something, it gives me confidence to ask more questions in furture. Thank you.

john said...

Hi Seagull,im in the Uk also,and fighting to keep awake..lol

Anonymous said...

Seagull, I've have SA hangovers at work the next day!

john said...

Anon,i can so relate to that.hahaha

Anonymous said...

What really makes me dizzy is trying to follow too many posts at the same time. I get my tabs all mixed up and post the wrong thought in the wrong spot etc. As if keeping one at a time isn't challenge enough for my SA inexperienced brain.

Seagull said...

Peter,

Thank you. I was having a little quip at myself in so much that after I had posted, I realised that the letter "I" was missing from the words "this" and "interesting" hence (I sound like the Ramsay's)the little smiley face. I like it when something makes me think, although a little less at this time of night (It's almost 11pm)

Seagull said...

John,

Good to meet you. I can empathise. Anon, do you think an S.A. "hair of the dog" will help? I'm not sure if my little brain would cope with it at 6am lol

Longing for Justice said...

"Billie is devastated, although we realized this could be the result.”


The "result" John Young refers to, in my opinion, is of Hailey.

BD has never portrayed devastation. Never. Not in the beginning and not in the end.

Soon after the remains were located and long before they were identified, BD thanked many on FB. She did not thank the man who found Hailey. Today, she is concerned about a plea bargain.

Has any family member publicly thanked Mr. Lloyd?

Anonymous said...

LOL@ Seagull's "hair of the dog"! I'll have to try that next time. It's more likely to cause a short-circuit first thing in the morning for me too. :)

Anonymous said...

Longing for Justice, I agree. Young probably heard BD mention Hailey's name for the first time ever and knowing like we do that she has no thought for Hailey, he probably viewed it, from his defense position as devastation. I expect ANY emotion or thought of Hailley from her would surprise even him and he could claim devastation.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure whatever he might have seen or imagined he did, was minimal and short-lived.

Anonymous said...

Or more likely, misinterpreted. She was devastated that she just learned that she was about to be held accountable at last!

Anonymous said...

Don't do that article Peter. They read here. Don't give them a defense.

Kaaryn Gough said...

For anyone who may be confused with what I wrote...

I was analyzing the words of whoever wrote the statement. Presumably, it comes from the attorney, but we cannot be sure they are his words. The important issue is the words reveal the writer's knowledge and that knowledge is-- they (whoever the "we" is), did not anticipate Billie would be devastated.

One should wonder why the writer did not consider, from the start, that Billie would be devastated when confirmation came in that her daughter was dead.

The "we" here may come as a result that the writer is part of a group that had discussed "... this could be the result." And it's possible the writer could not say, "I".

As Peter has pointed out, one of the rules in statement analysis is to remain open and flexible and keep all possibilites on the table until something comes along in the statement that rules it out. And even then, you keep the thought on a back burner for you never know.

Does this help at all?

Seagull said...

Kaaryn,

Hi, thank you for this. It makes perfect sense to me. I read it as the words were a quote from the attorney which is what got me to thinking. I can now partake of my other favourite form of S.A. : Sleeping Analysis. I'm at peace with the world now.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the reminder that nothing is set in stone is a great reminder. I have a tendency to presuppose that there is a "right" answer. Thank you Kaaryn!

Anonymous said...

LOL Seagull. A well-deserved rest. Sleep well. :)

john said...

Thank You Kaaryn..

Hobnob said...

Thanks Kaaryn and hugs xx

Lis said...

I missed this one, I thought what the attorney was saying is that Billie is devastated even though 'we' -he and Billie- realized that finding Hailey had been murdered was a possibility- i.e., although they knew it was possible Hailey was dead, there is no preparation for the actual discovery.

I did not put any credence into his words since, as an attorney, they are only said for effect and unlikely to be sincere.

GetThem said...

This is uncalled for BUT:

Her daughter (Hailey) didn't get a lot options, including choosing a mother. A plea bargain would be at the bottom of Hailey's list if she had the ability to make a lit. Makes me angry that it's at the top of mommy's list.

OldPsychNurse said...

Was anyone else surprised that Billie posted a grammatically correct sentence? Her attorney must have slept over and changed her original statement which read "My dotter didunt get no plee deel."

Bonnie Blue said...

I'm confused about Billie's statement here where she says her daughter didn't get the advantage of a plea bargin.
Does she not know that she is a "person of interest" in this murder?
I realize she is possibly speaking about Shawn being in negotiations. Does she think he is in there completely taking the fall on this & not implicating her, or being fully truthful about her involvement?

I don't understand why she would say this. It is impossible that she still believes in her head that she is not going to be arrested along with Shawn for what they did.

Bonnie Blue said...

By saying this, she is talking about herself, and also Shawn. So she is really saying that she should not be given any plea deal because she did not offer Hailey one.

I think this statement is very bold.

Bonnie Blue said...

Billie Jean Dunn
8 hours ago via mobile
I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies! And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down! Is your family proud?! My daughter is dead! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty.
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Does anyone want to get a head start on this?

Sus said...

I do! I do! Overall Billie is downright angry at Shawn that he did not kill himself. In her eyes he should think highly enough of her to sacrifice himself for her. She is also angry at his family...very angry...because she sees them as his allies in building him up against her. There is a beginning.

Sus said...

She begins as all encompassing, but quickly switches to speaking to "you"...one person. That person has a "demon in there" and a "monster deep down" that Billie blames families for not seeing. Eerie that Shawn wearing demon and monster masks was exactly what Billie was attracted to.

Her list begins with pedophiles, then child murderers. I'd say she told again that Shawn raped Hailey. Order is important.

I note also her use of the word "shame" numerous times and proud once. I'm thinking she is very worried about her mask coming off and her public shame.

shmi said...

I wonder what evidence will not be allowed? It always bugs me that LE has evidence that will help find a person guilty, but it can't be used.

I am thinking of Jodi Arias case, and how much the jury won't see.

Casey Anthony had damning evidence that never made it into court.


Pretty sure Haileys's case has lots of evidence that will never be presented to a jury.

Anonymous said...

I didnt know that the mother died 2 years later!! Can you tell me how she died I have tried looking it up but can't find out anything on the mothers death? Thank you.