Tuesday, April 2, 2013

The Reactions of Billie Dunn 2012-2013

There have been three events in which Billie Dunn, mother of missing 13 year old, Hailey Dunn, has reacted to that are of interest to readership.

I.     The Letter
II.   The Remains Found in 2012
III.  The Remains Found in 2013

The Letter claimed that Hailey was kidnapped, and died from an accidental overdose.  Statement Analysis of the letter showed that it did not come from experiential memory, but was a fake.  Law Enforcement eventually stated the same.

What was Billie Jean Dunn and Shawn Adkins' reactions to the announcement that remains had been found near the airport, in 2012?

What did Statement Analysis show of these reactions?

What was Billie Jean Dunn's reaction to remains found in Scurry County in 2013?

What did Statement Analysis show of these reactions?

What is the difference between 2012 and 2013 statements?

Is this Hailey?

Can we know from the mother's words?

Has Shawn Adkins said anything?

What is different, with Shawn Adkins, from last year's announcement to this year's announcement?

Crime Wire, tonight, at 7PM EST seeks to answer these questions and take your calls.

We invite listeners to call in with questions.



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 Hailey Dunn Case, Has She 

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Statement analyst, Peter Hyatt, has followed the case of Hailey Dunn from the very beginning.

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On March 16, 2013 badly decomposed and skeletal remains were found in a field of cactus and brush in Scurry County, Texas, 30 miles away from the area that 13-year-old Hailey Dunn was last seen.
In an online poll, 92% of Peter Hyatt’s readers responded that they felt the remains were most likely belonging to Hailey.
Hyatt will bring Crime Wire listeners up to date on the latest about the discovery, and the behaviors and statements of the parties surrounding the case and her disappearance.
Hailey Dunn went missing on December 27, 2010 while allegedly walking to a friend’s house in broad  daylight in Colorado City, Texas. She was reported missing by her mother, Billie Jean Dunn.
The case quickly turned bizarre with accusations of drugs, child porn, failed polygraphs and Hailey’s mother, Billie Jean Dunn, being named a person of interest in her daughter’s disappearance, along with her live-in boyfriend.
Crime Wire host Peter Hyatt has painstakingly combed through interviews by several people connected to the case and has found deception in their words where truth should have prevailed.

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 Hailey Dunn Case, Has She Been Found?


Anonymous said...

wow what a real real big plug for your show crime wire,nothing to read on statement analysis today

Unknown said...

It's his blog so why shouldn't he advertise his show on it too? You could do what everyone else does and introduce a topic you're curious about. Or you could go read someone else's blog.

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Unknown said...

Sorry, double posted ;)

Christy said...

Peter, I'm surprised I don't have your site as my home page; I visit so many times a day. Thank you for all you do, all the time you invest in helping the innocent and also helping others learn. You are appreciated.

Anonymous said...

For heaven's sake! I am not one of Peter's biggest fans, per se', but he DOES have the right to advertise his own show, for cryin' out loud!!

While I may not always agree 100% with Peter (and some of his bloggers); this IS his privately owned blog site, take it or leave it.

Besides that, who are YOU to say there will be nothing to read on statement analysis today? I think the man does pretty good at devoting as much time to this blog site as he does, considering that he DOES have a family, a home to maintain, and a full time job elsewhere. Dang.

I submit, WHAT are you doing productively with YOUR own life?

John Mc Gowan said...

Does anyone have a link to the Jackson live trial today..


Anonymous said...

nothing to read on statement analysis today

That's one less dead child in the world today

Anonymous said...

If I post my questions will they be addressed since others I have posted in the past have been ignored?

John Mc Gowan said...

Anon 10:00

Most questions will be addressed on here,people are kind and considerate and are only to willing to help if the know the answer to your question.

You may not be getting a reply due to you not having a name.There are many trouble causes out there and come under the guise of anons,switching from one to the other.

Give yourself a name and maybe,if Peter cant answer you due to his busy schedule other members may chip in.


Anonymous said...

John, which Jackson trial? I think there might be more than one trial the Jacksons are involved in. Concerning the trial where the Jacksons have filed suit for billions of dollars, I don't think it has been determined by the Judge yet whether or not the trial can be broadcast live with cameras/media in the courtroom. Is this the one you're speaking of?

John Mc Gowan said...

Anon 11:00

Yes,i know their doing jury selection today and the cameras are not allowed in. Im (almost) sure it is going to be broadcast live when the trial begins?

Tania Cadogan said...

off topic breaking news

Mick and Mairead Philpott were today found guilty of killing six of their children in a house fire in a botched attempt to frame his ex-lover.

The couple were convicted of the manslaughter of their ‘babies’ after a month-long trial where Philpott repeatedly sobbed in the dock, collapsing when the prosecution accused him of planning the fire that ended in tragedy.

But the jury refused to accept his excuse that someone had set the fire through his letter box, instead believing he was the mastermind of a plot that went badly wrong.

Philpott's friend Paul Mosely was also found guilty of six counts of manslaughter after an eight-week trial.

After the verdicts, the court was cleared after an outburst from a member of the public, believed to be Mairead's sister.

During the trial, prosecutor Richard Latham QC said Philpott 'just wanted a house full of kids and the benefit money that brings.'

The petrol-fuelled blaze broke out in the hallway of the home where Philpott lived with wife Mairead, 31, and their own six children – all of whom perished as they slept.

Philpott had six children with Mairead, 31, and four with girlfriend Ms Willis, 29, as well as seven others from three previous relationships.

The court heard that until three months before the blaze last May, ‘highly controlling’ Philpott shared his cramped three-bedroom semi-detached home with his wife, mistress and all 11 children he had with both women.

Philpott, his wife, and his friend Paul Mosley, 45, who the court heard had visited the house earlier that evening, were charged with manslaughter of the Philpotts’ children Duwyane, 13, Jade, 10, John, nine, Jack, eight, Jessie, six and Jayden, five, on the basis that they took part in a ‘joint enterprise’ to frame Miss Willis.

The court heard that in the days after the fire, Mosley visited the couple while they were being housed in a hotel by police.

The room had been bugged by police and Philpott watched as his wife performed a sex act on Mosley. Afterwards he praised his wife after acknowledging that she did not want to perform the act.

Mr Latham told the jury they ‘may conclude’ the sexual favour was carried out to keep Mosley ‘onside
The court heard Philpott controlled all aspects of the family finances, with all benefit money paid towards the children’s upkeep along with the two women’s meagre part-time income paid straight into his account – the same arrangement he had instigated with both his first wife and another woman he then left her for.

Mr Latham said it was only after Miss Willis left and was rehoused by the local authority that she discovered she had been entitled to more than £1,000 a month in benefits to help look after the children.

As a harrowing 999 call made by the Philpotts from the garden of their Derby home was played to the court, Philpott shouted ‘I can’t listen to it’ and attempted to leave the dock, but was subdued by security staff.

Towards the end of the call, his wife, who dabbed tears from her eyes in the dock, could be heard wailing uncontrollably in the background of the call

The court heard that after tiring of Philpott’s ‘domineering’ behaviour, Miss Willis decided to leave him.

Exactly three months before the blaze, she walked out without warning, taking the children first to her sister’s home, then into a women’s refuge before she was eventually rehoused by the local authority.

Tania Cadogan said...

The couple became involved in a bitter row over the residency of the children, with Philpott telling friends Miss Willis had made threats against his home and children, something he would ‘use in court to get his children back’.

Mr Latham said Philpott was deeply troubled by her leaving, to the point that he had become depressed and even tried to take his own life.

He steadily became 'obsessed with getting Lisa and the kids back' and part of his distress was because of the simple fact that Miss Willis had left him.

The court heard how neighbours tried to rescue the children from the burning house but were beaten back by the smoke and flames.

When the bodies of the children were carried out of the house by police, Philpott ran forward and had to be restrained, Mr Latham said.

'It must have been quite clear the plan had gone horribly wrong.'

Philpott was heard telling people Miss Willis threatened to kill them or to set fire to the house.

'She was being set up as the culprit,' Mr Latham said.

Philpott told neighbours the children were in the back bedroom of the house.

'Is this where they were expected to be as part of the plan to rescue them?,' Mr Latham said.

Philpott told police he was playing snooker with Mosley before the fire broke out. He said Mosley left before 2am and Michael and Mairead fell asleep watching a film, but they were woken by a smoke alarm and he discovered a large fire in the hall.

He called 999 and handed the phone to his wife before climbing a ladder in the back garden and smashing a hole in the back window. He said the black smoke beat him back.

Police reported his behaviour following the fire as 'unusual', the court heard.

One constable said Philpott showed 'no emotion' and acted as if at a social event.

At the hospital, onlookers described him as looking 'spotlessly clean' for someone who had been in a house fire, Mr Latham said.

The Philpotts and Mosley, a fork-lift truck driver and also from Derby, each denied six counts of manslaughter

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302741/Guilty-Mick-Mairead-Philpott-convicted-killing-children-house-botched-plan-frame-mistress.html

Nanna Frances said...

Is there still a reward? The money was being returned at one time.

ME said...

Hobnob it's a sad day for children with these"parents"in charge. Rip :0(

S + K Mum said...

What an awful end to the lives of those children.

What ridiculously stupid people the Philpotts are - setting fire to their home with petrol. There is no end to the stupidity levels of some breeders.

I hope each of the three receive a life sentence for each life they took.


Layla said...

Off topic: Peter, just wondering if you are going to analyze any of Sherry West and/or the father's statements? Very curious what you would find in any of the statements.

John Mc Gowan said...


Shock Horror..

Arias defense seeks mistrial over juror misconduct.

Jodi Arias' attorneys: Juror 5 is 'unfit to continue as a juror'
Watch 'HLN After Dark: The Jodi Arias Trial' at 10 p.m. on HLN

When court is done for the day, the conversation is only just beginning. Watch HLN’s newest hit show "HLN After Dark: The Jodi Arias Trial" nightly at 10 p.m. on HLN.

Jodi Arias wants a new trial because she says juror misconduct has made her current trial unconstitutional.

Arias is on trial for killing her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008. Arias’ attorneys base their motion for a mistrial on information about Juror 5’s behavior that was discovered in a sealed hearing last Thursday.

“Ms. Arias takes the position that the statements Juror 5 made in front of her fellow jurors amounts to misconduct,” Arias attorneys wrote. “Given the evidence that came forward on March 28, 2013, it is beyond legitimate dispute that Juror 5 is not fair and impartial making her unfit to continue as a juror.”

Juror 5 is a married, white female in her 30s. Court observers have said she is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

Judge Sherry Stephens held the sealed hearing last Thursday to discuss with the jurors whether any of them had witnessed prosecutor Juan Martinez posing for pictures with fans outside the courthouse.

Arias' attorneys want Juror 5 kicked off the jury if the judge doesn’t grant a mistrial.

Removing Juror 5 may be a remedy, because there are 18 jurors right now. Twelve jurors will be chosen before deliberations, and the rest will be alternates that could be called in deliberate if necessary.http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/01/jodi-arias-mistrial-motion-juror-misconduct?hpt=hln10_1

Tania Cadogan said...

off topic BBM

BADBOY singer Chris Brown has claimed domestic violence counselling saved his relationship with Rihanna.

The R’n’B hitmaker revealed his court-imposed stint in the therapist’s chair showed him beating women was “absolutely wrong”.

He denied reports he had split with the pop beauty, 25, who took him back despite his brutal assault on her in 2009.

Brown, 23, said: “I did my 52 weeks of counselling and I learned that was absolutely wrong.

“I went to this programme every Monday in Virginia. I remember sitting there and thinking ‘why did I do what I did?’

“I really just wanted to get help.”

Brown appeared on NBC’s breakfast show Today to promote his new single Fine China. When host Matt Lauer, 55, asked him if he could promise he would never hit Rihanna again, he replied: “Absolutely, absolutely.”

He added: “As far as me and her are concerned, she knows my heart and I know her heart.”


Oh dear not only does he not make a strong reply, absolutely doesn't mean yes, he repeats it twice making it sensitive and even weaker.

She knows his heart but no mention is made of his head and the same for her he knows her heart not her head.

Hearts indicate emotions, heads indicate logic.
The heart may say no violence because we love each other, the head is saying you pi55 me off i will smack you one.

Any bets on if they are still togeather and if they are how long till they split up?

He battered her and she went back to him, how dumb is that?

John Mc Gowan said...

Hobs OT.

“As far as ME and HER are concerned, she knows my heart and I know her heart.”

Order is important,here he puts himself first,yet he is the abuser.

"ME AND HER"=Distancing language.

Although we know the the relationship is fractured,his lack of proper social introduction compounds this.

Uh Oh..

John Mc Gowan said...



Judge removes Arias juror, denies mistrial
April 2, 2013

The judge in the Jodi Arias murder trial has removed a juror from the case and denied a defense bid for a mistrial.

Defense lawyers say the juror made comments about the case to a fellow panelist that raised questions about her impartiality. They did not provide specifics.

Judge Sherry Stephens removed the juror but rejected the request for a mistrial. Testimony from a domestic violence expert resumed shortly after.

The move leaves five alternate jurors, in addition to the 12 who will decide the case. Arias is charged with murder in the death of lover Travis Alexander


Tania Cadogan said...

john said...
Hobs OT.

“As far as ME and HER are concerned, she knows my heart and I know her heart.”

Order is important,here he puts himself first,yet he is the abuser.

"ME AND HER"=Distancing language.

Although we know the the relationship is fractured,his lack of proper social introduction compounds this.

Uh Oh..

yep, i wonder if , instead of physical abuse, he is using emotional and psychological abuse.

What was going through her noggin when she went back to him?

Once an abuser, always an abuser, the behavior is there, the attitude is there, it is simply a matter of redirecting his anger elsewhere or a fear of the consequences that restricts it.

Personally, i wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him off Angel Falls

Anonymous said...

Hobnob--You wrote "He battered her, and she went back to him. How dumb is that?"

With all due respect, according to statistics of how common domestic violence is, there are surely victims of domestic violence (or former victims of domestic violence) who have returned to their abuser at some point, reading here on this blog, and I doubt any of them are "dumb".
In Rhianna's case, she was a victim of childhood abuse I believe or, the father was mostly absent but had previously beat her mother ( I can't remember which). This combined with Stockholm Syndrome (and many other factors some of which don't apply in Rhianna's case such as financial dependance) can contribute strongly to a woman returning to her abuser. In other words, if anyone can relate to perhaps not feeling like they have enough self-confidence to get the type of "quality" man they would like at any point in their lives, imagine how difficult finding this self-confidence becomes to a woman like Rhianna who has been brutalized by the man who was supposed to love and protect and cherish her.
My sense from watching interviews with Rhianna is not that she is dumb, but rather that she lacks a strong sense of deservedness and self-confidence.
I do feel her going back to him is a mistake, and I also doubt that he has "reformed". Obviously, he is on a quest to convince her and anyone who will listen that he has changed, however, unfortunately, this is doubtful.
Traumatic bonding, or Stockholm Syndrome explains a lot about why Rhianna went back to him.

John Mc Gowan said...


Don't they sat that psychological abuse can be worse than physical abuse.

With physical abuse the person takes the beating and its over,the bruises heal and the bones mend.

Isn't it with psychological abuse,it goes on and on, not knowing when the beatings are going to start again,treading on egg shells in fear of upsetting them,and making them angry.

They also make you feel like its all you fault and you pushed them into it.

As you can tell i'm not savvy with the subject,these are a few points that i am aware of.

Layla said...

I just watched the Chris Brown interview with Matt Lauer, and I agree, he is not sorry.
He does not talk about the effects his actions had on Rhianna rather says he had to "find out why he did it".
I'll tell you why you did it, Chris Brown, because you're a scumbag!
Also, Chris Brown talks about how he "had to forgive himself in the same breath". Red Flag. Chris Brown should not "have forgiven himself in the same breath".
How about feeling guilty for some length of time--I would say for years--about brutally beating your girlfriend, Rhianna.
What an idiot!

Anonymous said...

Hobs......I'm pleased you have never been a victim off physical are psychological abuse from a spouse but to call someone stupid for going back is very insensitive! Alot off people especially woman seem to feel that this issue is black and white when in reality it's muddled with grey areas ,A abuser be it a man are a woman very rarely will show there true colours in the beginning off a relationship in fact quite the opposite they will shower you with affection and the abuse will escalate overtime so by the time the real torture begins they have made you feel so worthless to the point where you honestly believe you deserve it. Had rihanna and Chris brown not being famous i guarantee she would have went back to him the next day affter being attacked however the outside pressure of the media,fans publicist kept her from doing that without ever resolving the hold he has on her! I can only really compare it to telling a alcoholic "we'll just don't drink then" it's just not that simple! on a end note I love reading this blog especially the comments from the likes of yourself and John and learning new things everyday!

~ABC said...

Hobnob said....
"He battered her and she went back to him, how dumb is that?"

Anon at 4:10 PM said....
"Traumatic bonding, or Stockholm Syndrome explains a lot about why Rhianna went back to him."

You're both right :)
Inaccurate thinking aka dumb. Same thing.

Bottom line when someone has escaped an abuser they need help to correct their inaccurate thinking. Once that happens they will not return. It also doesn't mean they are stupid. Just that they are dumb in this particular area.

Anonymous said...

Thank you John.

1) I wanted to know about Clint SA so we could compare it to BJD since PH said Clint was innocent although also upset about Hailey.

2) I wanted to know if a follow up analysis would be done following Crime Wire since PH is analyzing her current TV interview on the show orally. I think the red and blue and bold is most helpful for my growth.

3) I had a question about the significance of the information between the blues PH discussed in a recent post.

4) I will never use a name. I know too much about tech . to ever trust it, even a fake ID could be harmful.

John Mc Gowan said...

Iv'e just watched the interview,here are my findings.

@3mins 5secs.

ML"I was reading some headlines over the week on line that said that you were either off with rihanna or still on with rihanna,first of all clear it up,what is the status of your relationship"

CB"Abosulutely were fine no no,"

This for me is a sensitive question.

When he says

"Abosulutely were fine no no,"

He leans back(gestural retreat)we do this when we dont like something,and we want to get away from it.

He then leans forward puts his hands on his knees and rubs thems,this is a self comforting gesture,we do this we we feel stressed.

When we are young and we get upset are parents comfort us by stroking and holding us.
As we get older are parents are not all ways with us at times of stress,so we replace them with are own self comforting gestures.
(M,A Ps)
Manipulators,Adapters and Pacifiers..

When he strokes his legs he also demonstrates a intentional movement.This is a movement we do when we want to get away from a stressful situation.His body moves forward slightly, as if he is getting ready to leave,and placing his hands on his knees for a split second also suggests he wants to leave. By placing our hands on are knee's it gives us leverage to stand up.

Again at 4mins 47secs.

ML says"People in this country they love to build someone up and they enjoy standing on the sidelines and watching them as they go down".

Here CB does the same movement as stated above only this time it is more exaggerated..
However CB cant leave because he will loose face and come off very badly to the public and his fans.

To me CB does not like being criticised..

Red Ryder said...

Hobs said "Once an abuser, always an abuser...the attitude is there"
Sadly, yes. It takes a seismic shift, a renovation and restoration of the abuser's being to the core to change. I have seen it happen-once....and seen it not happen more than once.
All the money in the world has not helped this woman from getting hooked into a cycle of violence. Love, respect and self-respect are free, this is why while money can buy comfort, ease, and pleasure, it cannot buy true happiness~ that is to say the peace and joy that comes from loving and being loved. JMO

Red Ryder said...

Hobs said "Once an abuser, always an abuser...the attitude is there"
Sadly, yes. It takes a seismic shift, a renovation and restoration of the abuser's being to the core to change. I have seen it happen-once....and seen it not happen more than once.
All the money in the world has not helped this woman from getting hooked into a cycle of violence. Love, respect and self-respect are free, this is why while money can buy comfort, ease, and pleasure, it cannot buy true happiness~ that is to say the peace and joy that comes from loving and being loved. JMO

Red Ryder said...

Haha what a goof! What I meant previous post was that while I have seen one abuser change the rest I've encountered through the years have not changed (even though some have tried). Thanks:)

Anonymous said...

Sorry to be a stickler, but I do not feel that "inaccurate thinking" and "dumb" are the same thing. But, disregarding this for the time being, traumatic bonding is a powerful psychological force. It is possible for someone to be traumatically bonded to another and, at the same time, to accurately perceive the person (to understand this person is bad in many ways and also bad for them). Traumatic bonding is basically where a person becomes grateful for the kindness this bad person shows them precisely because they have been treated so badly (by this very person) and are eager for someone
to treat them kindly.
I think of it as a potent psychological force rather than someone whose thinking is skewed.
The massive media coverage of Rhianna's beaten face must have been humiliating and dehumanizing for her to experience. This may have also affected her self-perception quite negatively. Primarily, Chris Brown's brutality was very damaging to her emotionally I would assume.
Any and all blame rests squarely, in my mind, on Chris Brown's shoulders.
Rhianna, I have compassion for, and it is a shame the cycle of abuse in her life seems to have kept her bonded to Chris Brown, who seems to be an extremely destructive man.

~ABC said...

Anon at 6:39

That's okay. :)
You don't have to see inaccurate thinking and dumb as the same. My dictionary thinks it's pretty simple and clear cut.

How does blaming correct the problem? Why do people, maybe unwittingly, fight to preserve a victimized mindset rather than believing people can
learn something new that will empower them to change their life? Why encourage it? Why not help people understand they do not have to spend the rest of their lives chained to the evil deeds of another?

With love and respect,
A recovering victim of the child and domestic abuse club.

Anonymous said...

Me and Her?...

Geez, I hate when people can't talk good.

Anonymous said...


I'm not sure who you think I'm blaming except Chris Brown.

I am not fighting to preserve a victimized mindset. There is nothing to "encourage" as far as victimhood: Rhianna was a victim of Chris Brown. Please refer to photos of her face if there is any question of this.
Calling Rhianna dumb is not going to assist her in leaving Chris Brown.
I am sorry that you feel that my writing about traumatic bonding is encouraging "victimhood".
And, also, I was abused as a child and didn't realize it was a club. It's not club I signed up for, so I am not part of any club.

Anonymous said...

One thing I will add: We as a society encourage abuser behavior when we buy Chris Brown's albums. Chris Brown has suffered minimal consequences for his behavior. Soon he will make millions of dollars for his latest album.
If Rhianna is dumb, well let me just say we as a society are very dumb, so much dumber than Rhianna, when we as a society bought Eminem's album in massive quantities which then received a grammy only several years back. This album by Eminem had a song on it called "Kim"--this song "Kim" was sung by Eminem and the song was about how Eminem in the song kills his wife "Kim" and also his 2 year old son. He was awarded a grammy for this!!! What message does this send to abusers? What message does this send to women being abused? I say before we are so quick to judge Rhianna, let's look at our society and the fact that it condones, and even rewards, domestic violence. If anyone questions this, just look at the fact that Eminem received a grammy for his album which contains the song "Kim" on it.

Anonymous said...

Oh Good Lord. Some of you read so much into Rhi Rhi's and Cris Browns' relationship that it borders on the absurd.

These fossils don't have sense enough to have as much depth as some of you give them credit for. Don't you get it? This is a sexual relationsip addiction, more so on Rhi Rhi's part than it is on Chris' part. He's a brutal beast, of course, but she LOVES it.

HobNob is entirely correct. How dumb can it get. Rhi Rhi LOVES the sex with Chris and he has her towing the line. He cheated on her right in front of her face the night the 'other woman' called that he had also been bedding, he's sitting there in the car with Rhi Rhi talking to this woman over the phone, not giving two hoots how much this upset Rhi Rhi. She began to ask questions and make accusations and that's when he beat her in the face. She thought he was true to her? She IS dumb.

Folks, that's what the fight was all about in the first place. Chris beat her to teach her a lesson; that being, he'll sleep with whomever he damn well pleases and she can like it or lump it, just stay out of his face. He most assuredly will do it again.

I don't feel sorry for Rhi Rhi for one minute. She CHOSE to go back to him, she is dumber than a rock; there's sex everywhere, but no, she like many other women, WANT to be owned and controlled by their man. They think this is sexy. Oookay, sweetie pie, you'll pay the price in beatings and hot used dirty sex for your stupidness and your sexual addiction with Chris Brown..

She's not an abused woman in the normal sense of the word. She CHOSES her abuse. Most abused women are trapped in their relationship and would dearly love to be able to get out. Not Rhi Rhi. This is what she WANTS.

Anonymous said...

@ Nana Frances there is still a $15,000 reward through the FBI there is no reward through C-City any longer

WOJ Admin

~ABC said...

((((Anon)))) <---Hugz!
@ 8:55
Please reread what I said. The club is one of recovery which I do choose to be in.

I didn't say there was no blame. I said how does focusing on placing blame help correct the problem? I'm not interested in blame anymore. Blame keeps both the victim and victimizer stuck. Every minute I spend focused on placing blame is a minute I've lost. It's freely giving control to an abuser and letting them rob me of even more of my life. It's time I could spend on taking responsibility for me and changing the mindset that you so rightly and eloquently spelled out earlier.

It's very easy to see and know how wrong my abusers were. It's not so easy to override that and take responsibilty for changing the thinking, that was imposed on me in childhood, which later placed me in that same victim position as an adult. Slice it and dice it as much as you need to, I sure have. I've just come to accept that my well-being boils down to changing my habits of thought. Focusing on my healing rather than on the victimizers guilt/blaming. I can do nothing to change another's wrong. I can do everything to free myself from the resentment and anger that keeps me chained to the wrongdoer.

~mj said...

Amen to anon 9:13

Sus said...

"abused woman in the normal sense of the word."
There is a normal way to abuse? Some way that makes sense to you? All abuse is senseless.

"She CHOSES (sic) her abuse."
This is exactly what abusers wish for their victim to believe, and the mind-set which keeps women from leaving. Thank you for helping to perpetuate the cycle of abuse.

"Most abused women are trapped in their relationship."
Well, what do you think they are trapped by? It is called traumatic bonding. It's a psychological affect.

"This is what she wants."
Yes, because she feels trapped, or bonded to her abuser...as you just argued.

Anonymous said...

Sus, my mistake. All this time I've given you credit for being sharper than you sound like in your above post.

You don't think some women CHOOSE their abuse because they LIKE the relationship they are in when it comes to their sexual addiction? They LOVE holding onto their man at any cost all for sex with him. How very naive.

No ma'am, Rhi Rhi's relationship with Chris is NOT based on one of a typically abused woman like some of those described above. Hers' is by CHOICE. Rhi Rhi is not trapped, she is not broke, she does not have babies by this animal, she is in no way encumbered to Chris Brown except through SEX.

Apparently you don't know how addicting and binding a sexual addiction with a man can become, even to the extent of allowing him to walk all over you, still you come back for more. HER choice. People do what they want to do and they don't do what they don't want to do.

Anonymous said...

Anne, your passive aggressiveness is showing. Time to take a break and step away from the keyboard for awhile.

Sus said...

First, a person with a sex addiction is not addicted to sex with a certain person, but is addicted to sex. They will become more and more perverse in their sexual needs, and have many partners. A sex addiction almost always involves pornography.

Maybe you know something I don't about Rhianna and can cite it here. But you said she was addicted to sex with Chris Brown...one person.

Which brings me to the second point...I can agree with you on Rhianna feeling addicted to her abuser. It's not about sex, though. It's a bond built through abuse and control.

Sure, she wants to be with him...just like I want this next cigarette. It's our norm. No contact is strongly recommended for someone in recovery from abuse till they reach a new norm. If I quit smoking, I can never have nicotine. It would immediately put me back in the smoking norm.

Anonymous said...

As a survivor of spousal abuse, I must respond to [Anon10:25].

No one chooses abuse in the "free will" sense. The MO of an abuser is to remove free will, either before or during the ongoing abuse. This is part of the game they play, in which they have full access to control another person and feed their selfishness with the power of making someone stick around for the abuse, without having to force it. To some abusers (the few who feel real remorse after each incident, but who act out of raw anger in the heat of a moment), the circumstances that make up Stockholm Syndrome cause them to justify, thinking, "If it were really THAT bad, she/he wouldn't stay with me." For the majority of abusers, the breaking down of their victim's self-worth is all a part of the recipe of total control.

For example, my ex-husband would curse at me, hit my head into walls, throw things at me, rip hair out of my head, choke me, scream at me with his fist over my face...you get the picture. After each and every instance of abuse, I would cry and question why he [insert applicable form of abuse here]. He would look me straight in the eyes and say, "I didn't do that." As in, just minutes after hitting my head into a wall, he would look at me as if I were crazy and deny laying a hand on me at all. At the counselor's office, he would look directly at the counselor and tell her he never did any of those things. Now, I knew he did, and he knew he did. But, after a certain amount of time, I began to doubt in my own mind the veracity of actual abuse I'd recorded in my abuse log. I began to question things I'd recorded within minutes of enduring them. After a certain point, I began to disbelieve the abuse AS IT WAS OCCURRING. Everyone believed him to be such a wonderful, Godly, sincere man; I found myself wondering if I were the one who was out-of-control. I asked our counselor if I was making mountains out of molehills, or even actually causing the abuse.

Let me drive this home:
This man would pick me up and throw me into the wall. As soon as I could get back to my feet and demand that he not touch me again, he would say, "I didn't to anything to you." I would tell him, "You JUST threw me into the wall!"
"No, I didn't."
"Look, my whole arm is red from where you just threw me against the wall!"
"No, it's not. It looks normal."
"Don't you see it? There's a bruise coming up."
"No, there's not. I didn't even touch you." (said while looking directly at my red, bruised shoulder)
"How can you say that? You're looking at it! You see it! You JUST did that to me!"
"I didn't do anything. You don't know what you're talking about."

I dare you to tell me that this sort of behavior wouldn't make a woman (or man, or child) absolutely crazy. Abusers are skilled and talented people, usually. They have the whole world believing they are awesomeness in a foolproof case, while leaving their victims not knowing which way is up. They are masters at skewing reality, and while the victim is being abused, she/he often cannot leave of her own volition, whether out of actual fear for her life (or the safety of her children - judges have a habit of awarding regular visitation to abusers because the abuser can easily cause his victim to appear emotionally disturbed and unstable and desperate to just "make him look bad in front of a judge"), or because she's been told every day that she's delusional, and she believes that if she speaks out, others will simply believe him over her, because of his skillful deception.

Women (and men, also) cannot break out of abusive relationships because their support in society is so weak...because of people who say, "SHE LIKES IT."

Mary said...

Here's a free tip @anon 8:03: Why not stop trying to control the internet contents, specifically websites & blogs you didn't write. Here's a bonus free tip: why don't *you* learn all there is to know about statement analysis & pick a spot on the web & start your very own blog so you can control its contents.

You're welcome. Anytime ; )

Anonymous said...

Anon @3:09 a.m., I am so sorry for what you went through with your sick abusive husband. THIS is what I meant when I referred to Rhi Rhi's relationship with Chris Brown as not being one in the normal sense of abuse. Yours was. Rhi Rhi is not married to this man, she has nothing at stake with him other than sex and her choice to be there. There could be no other reason that she stays other than sex. What else is there? She can leave anytime she wants too but chooses to stay.

I can totally relate to what you are describing Anon @3:09. I have not been abused in the same way you have but I easily could have been had I not left my husband earlier on. He had every sign of being an abuser, cheating on me, blowing the money and leaving me and the baby with nothing for days at the time, flying into rages, denying his cheating while hanging out in bars and while his women were calling me all the time, in a rant breaking things and cursing at me. I was so scared, I knew it would be me he would be hitting next. I left with my baby (flat broke) as fast as I could.

No, this was not a sexual addiction as by the time I could leave I wanted nothing from him except AWAY. I've had a sexual addiction too, and NO, Sus, it was NOT with multiple partners as you stated above, it was with one man. He too was a player who had me in a very weak position, so emotionally involved that it took every ounce of strength I could muster up to get away from him and stay away from him.

I DO know the difference Sus; Rhi Rhi stays by choice and will continue too until she (if she ever does) gets so tired of this animals' abuse that she finally decides the sex isn't worth it. In the meantime, she is a very bad influence on younger women following in her footsteps; as is Chris Brown in influencing other men that it's okay to beat on your woman, get control of her; she'll come crawling back for more. This is what Rhi Rhi has done and will continue too until she can't take anymore; of her OWN free will.

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Anonymous said...

Anon who is saying Rhianna is being abused by CHOICE. Really? Would YOU choose that? What gives you the right to say Rhianna CHOOSES abuse? What a degrading thing to say about another human being! What gives you the right to diagnose Rhianna with sex addiction (to Chris Brown)? Is that. a diagnosis in the DSM (sex addiction to Chris Brown)? How do you know the sex is even any good? Who are you to claim Rhianna is a masochist who chooses abuse? What are your credentials?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 7:28--I am very disturbed by you claiming that because Rhianna is not in the exact same relationship setup you were in when you left your abuse, that she is not in a "normal" abusive relationship.
Your mentality towards Rhianna reinforces the thinking of an abuser.
My Dad physically and mentally abused me as a kid. I went to school with black eyes. Well, he claims because I still talk to him (I can't easily talk to or see my mother without talking to/seeing him) that he could not have been that bad to me. He also claims that I made up the abuse--that I "love to rewrite history). My point is, any contact I have with him or my mother is used agsinst me to prove that the abuse wasn't that bad and to belittle any anger or upset I have about being abused, sometimes quite brutally. As someone who did have my face battered as a child, I can tell you it is devasting self-esteem wise that someone would attack you in that way going for your face.

Anonymous said...

Anon @&;28; Rhi Rhi is NOT a child. Rhi Rhi is NOT at the mercy of Chris Brown. She is free to come and go at will, has her own fame, money and notoriety; Rhi Rhi CHOOSES to be with Chris Brown. Her abuser was prosecuted for abusing her, we all saw it and the photos. What does this bimbo do? Goes right back for more!

There's a whole world of difference between what you went through with your father while growing up and what Rhi Rhi does with her life of her OWN volition. You had no choice, she does. Don't you realize that if she WANTED to leave she would? She is not being held in chains, you know! She could leave anytime she wants too. Again, HER choice to bed down with an animal.

BTW, why do you continue to go around your father, the man who battered and abused you? OR your mother who apparently lives in la la land? WHY do you subject yourself to this humiliation ad mental abuse, KNOWING this evil man abused you?! How can you even stomach looking at him? Yuck!

YES, Anon @ 12:42, Rhi Rhi IS NOT in a "normal" abusive relationship in that she chooses to STAY in it. She went back knowing she was subjecting herself to more abuse. If she WERE in a trap of mental and physical abuse, and was not getting some sort of fulfillment that makes it worth her twisted relationship, she would LEAVE the ba'stard!

YES, by staying with this low-life POS she is CHOOSING to allow him to abuse her; and you may be assured, whether she wants to believe it or not, HE WILL.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1:54--Yes, it is different bc I was a kid, but as soon as I started dating, I dated abusers. It took decades for me to realize that I did not inherently deserve abuse. I had been brainwashed as a kid to believe I was inherently defective; other people deserved to be treated well, but not me. So when a man would start abusing me, I had such a strong shame base, that I did not understand that I didnt deserve it! Did I enjoy it? Did I CHOOSE it? NO!!!!! Abuse in childhood teaches you that you always "fall short" of whatever standards would prove you're "good enough" to not be abused.
Rhianna is what? 23? I would have probably run back to Chris Brown myself at her age. It is a deep sense of unworthiness combined with a trauma bond. It took me decades to finally understand, truly, I am a good person, I deserve kindness, I deserve safety, I deserve love, as I am, imperfect and human. Rhianna will get there in her own time.

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