Thursday, May 23, 2013

Billie Jean Dunn Interview Analyzed

Spinning still...

Billie Jean Dunn, Person of Interest, along with former boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, recently spoke out about suspicion, but only on Adkins.  She continues to attempt to rehabilitate her public image, etched strongly by the police affidavit, the failed polygraphs, pornography and obsession with killing.  Here, she addresses and ultimately seeks to protect Shawn Adkins against suspicion as she spins with the help and cooperation of media:  
“I have always realized that was a possibility, but finding the remains so close to home makes me think that might not be the case.”
Law enforcement has withheld information from her, which is s topic of particular sensitivity for her. Law enforcement has two people they believe killed Hailey and dumped her remains, and they are the two who lied, drugged, and failed to tell the truth.   She attempts, whenever possible, to make it sound as if the FBI or other law enforcement is speaking with her.  They are not. Law enforcement does not make a practice of sharing information with suspects.  The attorneys will get all the information in discovery. 
Note the word "that" distances herself from Adkins as a suspect, yet even more so, we see she used the word "but", which is used to refute, minimize, or compare that which preceded it. She realizes that it was always a possibility "but", and it is here, with the word "but" that she refutes Shawn Adkins' involvement:  it makes her think it was not Shawn because of locality.  Yet, Hailey was found where Shawn said she would be found, and in an "ugly" field where Dunn  did not want to search. 
The word "but" is key:  She defends him. 
“I am hopeful from things I hear from the FBI that there is some evidence that points to a suspect or suspects. I hope it is a rapid arrest with severe and just punishment.”
Note that the word "hear" is in the present tense, not in the past tense, nor even in the future tense, as if law enforcement will be contacting her.  Previously she had avoided speaking of "severe" and "just" punishment.  What is the difference between "severe" and "just" punishment?  The present tense is used as to avoid directly lying using past tense "what I heard", or even future tense "what I will hear..."
She uses the present tense in an attempt to deceive.  She has not heard from them, nor will she.  She is not "hearing" anything at present, nor on Tuesday of this week, when she gave the interview to the local media, via phone. 
in an affidavit early on in the investigation, Shawn Adkins was asked whom investigators needed to look at to solve this case.  He said,  “both of us.”
Billie Dunn has never denied involvement in the death of Hailey Dunn, but only expressed surprise or outrage that she was a suspect, in spite of failing the polygraph.
“I have much bigger issues than to dwell on rumor or negative talk,” Dunn said. “I know it is out there and it does anger and hurt me.  Yet she does not deny involvement and in more than 2 years of constant interviews and appearances, never has. 
Of those who believe she is guilty, including the polygrapher of whom she labeled as a devil, She said, 
“I have bigger fish to fry — to make sure there is justice.  They are bullies and they are set in their ways.” This is an attempt to portray herself as on the side of justice; something reminiscient of OJ Simpson searching for Nicole Goldman's 'killer' on the golf courses. 
Dunn portrayed to the press that she had 'kicked out' Shawn Adkins shortly after reporting Hailey missing.  What media forgot was how quickly she moved him back in, and even lied to police about his whereabouts.  The two remain organically linked for life.  Even while attempting to accuse him, she finds ways to cast doubt upon his guilt.  Here she minimizes and acts 'surprised' that one with blood lust videos and child pornography might be rude to her:  
He started with harassing phone calls, leaving messages. He would say ‘I still have a key to your apartment.’” 
 “Maybe some people were right about him,” she said. About Adkins' involvement: 
I still think it a possibility (Adkins was involved),” she said. “I know the generalized area where the remains were found and it would probably be someone from West Texas who knew all those roads.”
This would include both Dunn and Adkins. 
Her attorney John Young confirmed that law enforcement has not been in contact with Dunn. 
“I don’t believe there is any focus on Billie at this point,.  We are making every effort to be cooperative with investigators.”
Note that the additional words "at this point" can be applied to both Dunn and Adkins; the only two named Persons of Interest who both failed their polygraphs.  
Note also that it is them, together, having to make an "effort" ("every" effort, making "effort" itself, sensitive) to be cooperative.  Note the word "with" when used between people indicates distance. 
This means that "we" and "investigators" is distance language reflecting the distance in reality.  For those who thought that law enforcement might have been sharing information with Young, this indicates that it is not so. Young also spoke about the letter from a federal inmate, hoping to cast suspicion from his client.  Statement Analysis of the letter showed it to be deceptive:  it did not come from experiential memory.  Yet he said,  “I am aware that there have been investigations in persons of interest in the Odessa area that law enforcement may have interviewed those persons, but I am unaware to what extent whether those interviews were fruitful.”
They were unfruitful and easily dismissed as a fraud. 
The remains have not be released.  To which Dunn said, in an attempt to sound 'cooperative':  
“They know I want her back badly.  They know I ‘m not going to rush them through anything, either.”
She does not have a choice.  Whether she 'rushes' them or not, it is meaningless and another attempt to portray herself as cooperative to the public. 
Dunn continues to attempt to rework her image from child pornography, drugs, violence, obsession with serial killing, bestiality and home-made pornography to caring mother:  
“I want to take other mothers under my wing and get their child’s face out in the media. I want to make sure Hailey has a legacy and I will start doing some advocating.”

159 comments:

john said...

"What media forgot was how quickly she moved him back in, and even lied to police about his whereabouts. The two remain organically linked for life."

Its interesting Peter,that you use the word ORGANICALLY,connecting BJD and SA,given that poor Hailey's body was taken back by mother nature into the ground..


john said...

I have just watched Haileys memorial again.

What i noticed is that the young girl who sang the first song,IMO,looks strikingly similar to what Hailey may look like today.

Did she put herself forward,or was she chosen by Hailey's family?

Anonymous said...

Peter is so subtle at times with his hidden meanings. They do make some step back and say hmmm, what was he meaning by saying that?

Shelley said...

I just hope he is right that LE is still going to bring her and Shawn to justice. As more time goes on, the more worried I get.

Its time for them both to be in jail already. Its bad enough they let the child porn go.

COME ON LE. Dont let these monsters walk...

Anonymous said...

Hope for Hailey, being delusional as usual with everything being about Billie instead of Hailey, stated
"Our thanks to the teen that barely made it through your song because you glanced down at Hailey's mom crying hysterically, clinging to her son and wrapped in Hailey's dad's arm."

The truth is she and Hailey were friends. She reacted normal for someone that has lost a friend, just as Hailey's teachers did. Billie wasn't crying at all so it couldn't have been hysterically so yes a "picture is worth a thousand words" since they are the ones that posted Billie's dry eyes.

Just waitin' said...

@ Shelley

I hope you are wrong about LE letting the porn go...if it was indeed child porn,a lot of innocent lives are at stake. I worry that because nothing has been done just yet is that Hailey may have also been one of those victims. I DO hope I am wrong.

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There.was.no.child.porn.

Dee said...

"This means that "we" and "investigators" is distance language reflecting the distance in reality. For those who thought that law enforcement might have been sharing information with Young, this indicates that it is not so."

**Thank you Peter for pointing that out. I am one of those who was fearful that Young was getting info from the FBI a la Joey Taco in the Lisa Irwin case. You pointing out the language reflects otherwise makes me feel better about it.

"When and if an arrest is made, it remains to be seen where the case will be prosecuted — it could be either the county where the crime occurred or where the remains were found, Young said."

**I questioned this quote on another thread. As his client professes to be innocent and have no knowledge of how her daughter died or where her body was left then how would her attorney know the county where the crime occurred and the county where the remains were found are two different counties?

Just waitin' said...

@ anon @10:59

In one of BD's interviews about the porn she said it "hurt her feelings" to see the child porn. I'm not sure which one but I will see if I can find it.

Trigger said...

"I will start doing some advocating."

Future tense with qualifier "some" in regards to advocating.

She is leaving room for putting it off or limiting what she will do in the future.

REK said...

will the cause of death or examiner reports be released to the public? or a summary of it? it seems like they often are but I'm not up to speed on when or how much info gets released thanks

MissT said...

Just waitin' said...
@ anon @10:59

In one of BD's interviews about the porn she said it "hurt her feelings" to see the child porn. I'm not sure which one but I will see if I can find it.
May 23, 2013 at 11:07

BD's Bring Them Home interview from March 2011.

BJD. The computer had some bestiality on it. It did have a child porn picture. umm.. It did have other adult porn on it and I told em I didn't want to see anymore. It's disgusting. It hurts my feelings for the little kids. It pisses me off that people would do that to children and on the thumb drive were Shawn and I and there were also other women on there.

Anonymous said...

She's lying. Trying to pretend she knows more than she does.

Just waitin' said...

@ Miss T

Thank you...out of the horse's mouth.

Trigger said...

BD is a master at "alibi building" in the past, present, and future tenses.

I would like to nominate her for a special award for her efforts to deceive, even though statement analysis has gotten to the truth.

BD is still deceiving herself into believing that she is capable of getting away with this crime.

No tears at Hailey's memorial. I am unable to comprehend a mother that hardened.

Anonymous said...

“I know the generalized area where the remains were found and it would probably be someone from West Texas who knew all those roads.”

This sounds like an atempt to implicate a new or different POI.

Trigger said...

"She's lying. Trying to pretend that she knows more than she does."

Statement analysis has proven this to be true. It has also proven that she is lying trying to pretend that she knows LESS than she does at the same time.

She's lying. Trying to pretend that she knows more or less than she does.

This is true. BD "pretends" as do all liars. Her attempts to persuade are revealing her guilt.

Trigger said...

"I know the generalized area where the remains were found and it would probably be someone from West Texas who knew all those roads."

"I know" which means that she has first hand knowledge of the area where Hailey's remains were found and has knowledge of "all those roads," just like the "someone" who put Hailey there.

She just told us that she has knowledge that "someone" which is singular, put Hailey there.

How did she come to this conclusion? She needs another alibi so she narrows the location of the killer to West Texas.

Control the information and keep pointing the finger away from her and Shawn.

Just waitin' said...

"I know the generalized area where the remains were found and it would probably be someone from West Texas who knew all those roads."

She seems familiar with the area where Hailey's remains were found. West Texas is a vast and open area. "She" is familiar with the area and "all those roads". Perhaps an area where Shawn and BD partied at some time in the past. I live in West Texas and I don't know "all those roads"

REK said...

billie must specifically know "all those roads" to use the phrase "all those roads"

had she never been down "all those roads" then she wouldn't know to use the phrase "all those roads"

Just waitin' said...

"I know the generalized area where the remains were found and it would probably be someone from West Texas who knew all those roads."

I'm guessing with that statement, the "random weirdo" from the interstate is off the hook.

Malaise said...

John young....

“I don’t believe there is any focus on Billie at this point,. We are making every effort to be cooperative with investigators.”

As BD's attorney shouldn't he know, rather than believe? A poor choice of words that do not project confidence IMO

Anonymous said...

Malaise said...
John young....

“I don’t believe there is any focus on Billie at this point,. We are making every effort to be cooperative with investigators.”

As BD's attorney shouldn't he know, rather than believe? A poor choice of words that do not project confidence IMO

May 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM

This tells us that LE are not talking to him either.

Anonymous said...

Dunn said it’s “absurd” for people to question her having anything to do with her daughter’s disappearance or death.

She says its absurd to question her, not that it is absurd that she had anything to do with her daughter’s disappearance or death.

Anonymous said...

BILLIE DUNN BLOG TALK RADIO


http://www.examiner.com/article/blog-talk-interview-with-missing-texas-teen-s-mom-billie-jean-dunn

Shelley said...

Off subject and on the Ohio case.


I read that Gina DeJesus's family REFUSED to move while she was missing. What if she came home they said.


This is a real parent. Unlike Billie who not only moved out of the home Hailey lived in, but left the city.

Zahras dad also moved. Many others.

I too would not leave.

And, I had found it odd that it took a while for the news to obtain a photo of Michelle.

My first thoughts were that her family just didnt really care. I was right. Her mom moved to another state and Michelle is now living with Gina whose family is adopting her. Which makes me happy to think she found a real family.

She said her own parents were abusive and she will not return to a life with them.

Abusive parents need to just be put to sleep. Like an animal with Rabies.

I see no excuse for the behavior and it has to stop!




john said...

OT..

Sheriff: We didn't buy makeup for Jodi Arias!


Jodi Arias was convicted of first-degree murder for killing ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander
Arias appeared to be wearing makeup in jailhouse interviews
Sheriff says the media gave it to Arias, not the jail

What's it like to interview Jodi Arias?
Did you notice a little something different about Jodi Arias during her recent media blitz?

The convicted murderer faced cameras with a little bit of lip gloss and a fresh face of makeup, leaving many to wonder where she got it.

Well, the sheriff of Maricopa County, Joe Arpaio, wants to make one thing clear: It wasn't jail officials who gave the makeup to Arias!

He sent out this tweet on Wednesday:

Joe Arpaio @RealSheriffJoe

thanks 4 reminding me of this misnomer on the internet: we did NOT buy Jodi makeup. We wouldn't do that. The media provided it to her.


Phoenix reporter Amy Murphy and her team at HLN affiliate KNXV was the second or third crew that got a crack at interviewing Arias on Tuesday. Murphy says a previous crew had already provided the makeup before they arrived.

Murphy also told HLN's Mike Galanos about Arias' other jailhouse interview demands:

"She had some ground rules -- she was a little bit of a diva about it," said Murphy. "No handcuffs, no shots of the stripes on her pants. The jail had given her a sweater to wear. She made us turn the cameras off to comb her hair and she wanted me to stand in front of the camera while she put on a little lip gloss… total control."

And if you're wondering how Arias continues to do interviews from jail, then check out this other tweet from Arpaio:


Joe Arpaio @RealSheriffJoe

Some of u r mad about the jodi arias interviews. Pls Understand: We can't step on her 1st amendment rights. We allowed them & now - no more.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/05/23/jodi-arias-makeup-interview-joe-arpaio-tweets

REK said...

what i dont' understand is (and unfortunately this is from experience of visiting friends in jail) inmates are only allowed a few select visits each week. how is it that she's allowed all these visits every night at any hour? aren't there strict rules about visitation at this jail? and aren't inmates under "no contact" guidelines by their visitors? like they have to see them from behind the glass? ive visited two jails before and both were the same. one didn't even allow face to glass contact it was all through cameras

Local anon said...

I do not believe there was child porn. Now before you jump me, please hear me out. I know that Patrick Toombs said there was child porn, and I recall that Billie did as well. I do not dispute that they thought saw child porn and I do not know the legal definition of child porn. It is my opinion that either images of children were not, in fact, pornographic (legally definable)or that the images were not actually children (minors). There were several statements that LE made early on that were recanted or were incorrectly reported in the media. I believed there was child porn based on those statements and the staggering number of images found, but after all this time I have changed my opinion. Do you really think the FBI would not act on possession of child porn? They would arrest everyone who had possession. There have been many child porn arrests in this area in the last two years. I know Peter and many of you believe there is child porn, but I no longer do. That said, if child porn is found, and especially if Shawn is convicted of possessing it, I will need lots of salsa to happily eat my hat.

Hobnob said...

“I want to take other mothers under my wing and get their child’s face out in the media. I want to make sure Hailey has a legacy and I will start doing some advocating.”

Just like the mccanns and their leaping onto ever missing child bandwagon and then being told bluntly to fornicate off bu the parents of said missing child or more comically, finding out the cause they aligned themselves to backfired bigtime where it turned out parens/family members/someone known to the family was the killer.

After getting their ingers burned they stopped that and jumped on the charity bandwagon, giving the impression their fund was actually a charity and not a ltd business.

Then there were the blood and cadaver dogs Keela and Eddie, 100% track record even to finding a body in water and scent in a buernt out car. Ask th dogs said gerry with a smirk.

The selfsame dogs now work wth the FBI and have maintained their track record.

To demean and minimise the ability of the dogs they used a 20 yr old murder case where dogs had reacted to cadaverine as proof they could and did alse positive.
All well and good except the case they used , eugene zapata confessed to killing his wife and the cadaver dogs had in fact been correct.

Cue deafening silence.

I wonder if they would fget on a plane if a bomb dog reacted, i wonder why thy demanded search dogs etc if such dogs were useless according to them.

Everytime a guilty parent opens their mouth to correct one discrepancy, repeat a lie or insult and demean, the more they reveal.

Explain away one discrepancy and another one is revealed, everytime they tell a lie they have to remember to whom , when and what was said.
Everytime they demean and defame those searching or investigating, the investigators, we the public, the media, family an friends ask why they have the need to behave in such a manner to those trying to find their missing child.

Innocent parents act in a very specific manner, they follow an expected path.

Guilty parents act in a very specific manner, they follow an expected path.

The two paths are mutually exclusive.

The behavior of innocent parents is expected, they co-operate completely even to revealing private and perhaps embarassing details because they know it clears them, they hide nothing.

The behavior of guilty parents is unexpected when compared to expected behavior, yet expected when compared to the behavior of guilty parents.

Trigger said...


"I do not believe there was child porn"

Anything said in the negative is sensitive so the "belief" is weak.

"Do you really think the FBI would not act on possession of child porn?"

"really" indicates sensitivity as a qualifier.
"would not act on" is future tense and anything said in the negative is sensitive.

This person is not committed to their weak belief.

Just waitin' said...

BD is a convicted liar. She is hard to believe. But why on God's green earth would she "lie" about seeing child porn on a device that came from her house? I do not understand why arrest haven't been made unless the porn somehow ties into Hailey's death.

Anonymous said...

Billy admitted to the child porn for you all you lunatic billie fans out there.

To all the billie supporters:

YOU MAKE ME SICK!

I hope LE gets your names and searches your basements and hard drives cause you're all a bunch of pedophiles.

Lock up all her supporters, too! The world will be a better place b/c of it.

yep I said it said...

BJD's body language at the memorial tells me she's sweating bullets over this "cause of death" ruling.

She knows she is under suspicion, oh does she know. She's not educated, but she's cunning stripper, as they all are. She's got skills most of don't, that doesn't make her smart or intelligent, it just means she's skilled at her deviancy.

The intensity on her face says she's looking over her shoulder 24/7.

Yay! Jail for pill billie. I can't wait to see you in orange permanently pill billie. You will never be anything more than a murderer.
You look trash, you talk like trash, oh wait... YOU ARE TRASH!

REK said...

yep i believe she's sweating big time. thats why she keeps mentioning how long she was waiting until she had to tell the news (news that she already knew) to her family

Anonymous said...

Connie & Clint's sister Mary

Connie says Shawn threatened to kill Clint & Everyone else in the house with a gun and she has it recorded on her answering machine & Billie had even hid one night at Connie's house for fear of Shawn.

Billie KNEW Shawn was VERY VIOLENT and still had him living with her kids.
She was a HORRIBLE mother.
Shawn threatened to kill Billie & Hailey in a separate incident also/

AUDIO is on the 2nd half of show at 54 minute mark

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/02/24/bring-them-home-now-exclusive-hailey-dunns-grandma-and-aunt-livemisisng-laurie-partridge-family

Hobnob said...

off topic

OWA CITY, Iowa – An Iowa police chief says a dozen investigators are looking into whether the suspect in Monday's kidnapping of two girls is connected to last year's slaying of two cousins who vanished 90 miles away.

Authorities believe Michael Klunder kidnapped 15-year-old Kathlynn Shepard and her 12-year-old friend as they walked home from school. The 12-year-old was able to escape, but Kathynn is still missing.

Evansdale Police Chief Kent Smock said Thursday that investigators are now scrutinizing Klunder in connection with the deaths of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins because of similarities in the cases.

The cousins were 10 and 8 when they disappeared while riding bikes last July. Their bodies were discovered in December.

Smock says investigators are "exploring anything and everything" about Klunder, who was found dead earlier this week

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/23/iowa-kidnapping-suspect-probed-in-cousins-deaths/#ixzz2U9JGxWgY

BostonLady said...

“I want to take other mothers under my wing and get their child’s face out in the media. I want to make sure Hailey has a legacy and I will start doing some advocating.”

*******

Although Billie states she "wants" to take other mothers under her wings and get their child's face (what is with her so obsessed with face?) in the media. And add to that she "wants" to make sure Hailey has a legacy. Billie jean Dunn will NEVER do this. Wanting to and taking actual steps to do it are two very different things. Billie couldn't even keep up one facebook page for Hailey.

Billie lastly stated "I will START doing some advocating". Advocating what? And shall we take bets on when she will START? The 12th of never?

It's all for the cameras and press. She is trying to appear to be a caring mother.

Anonymous said...

No, billie doesn't want to lose the spot light now that Hailey has been found and closure of a memorial. She wants to keep her OWN face out there. SHE wants to be a legacy.... She wants to be somebody!
She couldn't look or ADVOCATE for her own child, I wouldn't let her 5 feet near mine.

She's more likely to become a ring leader in child trafficking than help a missing child come home.

She is the bottom of filthy scum!

john said...

OT..

Mark Redwine knocks search:

Father of missing son Dylan says process needs to be re-evaluated.

SNIPPED:

“I am asking that we stop and evaluate the process as a community, to come up with a more productive approach in the search for Dylan and missing children across the country,” he wrote in the statement. “No child who is missing should have to wait for certain criteria to be met before the public is notified and an alert be sent out.”

“I firmly believe that the most critical time was in the first day or two or three and that everything possible should have been done. I think that not enough was done in that time frame,” Mark Redwine said in the interview.

Redwine said he doesn’t think Dylan, age 13 when he disappeared, is in Vallecito or La Plata County.

Authorities searched Vallecito Reservoir again in April after search dogs picked up a scent by the lake.

“How many times do you have to search the damn thing til you realize he’s no t in the lake?” Mark Redwine said. “There’s something in my gut that tells me Dylan isn’t anywhere in La Plata County.”

Mark Redwine’s statement also included an invitation for mediation with Dylan’s mother and his ex-wife, Elaine Redwine.

“I believe the more we all work together to bring Dylan home the more successful his safe return will be.” Mark Redwine wrote in the statement.

But Elaine Redwine says mediation isn’t necessary because she “has no qualms with speaking to him.”

“He continues to say let’s go to mediation, but he hasn’t done anything to start it,” she said in an interview Friday afternoon. “Frankly, I don’t think we need one.”

Elaine Redwine said she thinks law enforcement at first “dropped the ball in assuming he was a runaway” but that she now believes they are “going in the right direction.”

john said...

LINK to above;

http://durangoherald.com/article/20130517/NEWS01/130519520/-1/News01/Mark-Redwine-knocks-search

Anonymous said...

I don't know how far she'll get as an ADVOCATE. WE know what she is, would any of us want her anywhere near us or our family? NO!

Nancy Grace knows the truth about her and so does Peter Hyatt and other Criminal Analyst.

I heard that Mark Klaas also smelled something fishy and distanced himself.
It's NOT hard to see through her and her lies and her narcissistic psychopathic personality.

I just hope and pray that Clint knows deep down inside that the mother of his child and her boyfriend are responsible for the death of his child.

God knows Clint is not perfect BUT he looked for his daughter, he cried and it's clear he actually loved her.
Did Pillie look for Hailey once? NO.

My gut tells me she and Shawn got away with murder. It's not the 1st time a Mother has killed her child and gotten away with it and it won't be the last but I say Shame on those who could bring she and Shawn to justice! They will have to live with that the rest of their lives.

Pillie and Shawn have no conscience so they'll have to wait for their payback in HELL!

If I were Clint and Connie I would be calling LE, the Texas Rangers and FBI every single day to put pressure on them for JUSTICE.

Hailey had nobody there to stop her murder but they could fight for her now and I would have to do in that babies memory. She deserves that much!

Anonymous said...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=164056640437689&set=a.107060476137306.11630.100005000619772&type=3&theater

Please take note she cut Connie out of the picture. She wants to portray herself as the good lil mommy with a close knit family. She is not living with Clint, she was living with a man she told people boasted that most of the males in his family are murderers and rapists/pedo's, he told her all about it, and that he was institutionalized a few times. She actually knew all this about the man she him in with her children.

I hope she is convicted of murder and we can watch her fry.

Shelley said...

PETER....

If you get a chance, could you analyze Amandas statement. I am copying the transcripts from CNN. Especially the part where Amanda says "because I told the truth". That is the last line. Also, I have a line thru part of it as I took some of the conversation out.
I also found it interesting that the reporter called her out on her “lack of response” many times. Like if she goes “theres no proof”. He asks her “why not say I didn’t do it instead of theres no proof, do you see how that looks to everyone”


CUOMO: People like to read headlines to you that call you a vixen, Foxy Knoxy, whatever it is. OK. The dancing. The real proposition here is prosecutors believe this happened because you were a sexual deviant, right? Right? Forget the headlines. That's what this is about, at its core. This is their theory. That you went in there for some kind of freaky sexual activity that went wrong and your roommate wound up dying. Fair?

KNOX: That's what they say.

CUOMO: That's what it is. Forget the headlines. That's the truth of the proposition, isn't it? Is there truth to that proposition? Were you into deviant sex? Insensitive question, but, hey, we've got to get to what it is. This fuels the doubt. Were you into that kind of experimentation?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: Did Meredith suspect you were into these type of things and created a barrier between the two of you?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: And therefore you resented her?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: Because she was judging you. None of that?

KNOX: No, absolutely not. And there's no evidence. There's no evidence of that.

CUOMO: That's the theory. Knox is into some freaky sexual things. She tried to pull in Meredith, who was a stayed, buttoned-up Brit. She wasn't into it, and it went wrong. That's their theory. That was in the discussion of the judges, yes?

KNOX: Absolutely. And they -- I was there in the courtroom when they were calling me things like violent and whore and deviant, and it's all untrue.

CUOMO: Where are they getting it from? Did you have any type of experimental activities there you're embarrassed to talk about?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: That they know about?

KNOX: Well, in the book, I talk about all of my sexual experiences, and I haven't needed to talk about the details of that, because they aren't deviant. I was not strapping on leather and bearing a whip. I've never done that.

CUOMO: No rope activities.

KNOX: I've never taken part in an orgy, ever.

CUOMO: And your roommates wouldn't have told prosecutors this? Could they have gotten this idea from somewhere else? Maybe you're not telling the truth, they heard it from somewhere else? Maybe you are telling the truth and they heard it from somewhere else.

KNOX: I mean, no one has ever claimed that I was ever taking part in any deviant sexual activity. None of my roommates, none of my friends, none of the people who knew me there. That is simply coming out of the prosecution. No witnesses have ever come out saying anything like that.

And the reason why they continued to perpetuate this idea is because they had this idea about me. They created this idea about me, because it would legitimize their -- their accusations against me. I would be the type of person, a deviant, who would do this.

Shelley said...

Amanda Knox transcript continued

And yet, this is them projecting their own idea about the kind of person who would be capable of doing what happened to Meredith on me. And they have nothing.

CUOMO: Where did they get it?

KNOX: They have nothing to sustain it. They didn't get it from me. They didn't get it from me, and they didn't get it from witnesses. It literally came from the prosecution.

And this is what I've been up against this entire time. This fact that the prosecution was projecting onto what happened, their own theories about young women and women who are -- I was sexually active. I was not sexually deviant. And because I was sexually active, that turned in, for them, to sexual deviancy.

CUOMO: Did you ever tell Meredith to participate in something that she may have told people she was uncomfortable with?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: The theory is you went there to do something deviant. . She didn't want to. It went wrong. She wound up getting killed. You agree that that is the theory, right?

KNOX: Yes. That's really what I'm up against. This idea of sexual deviancy, this femme -- this notion of femme fatale that is completely unrealistic.

CUOMO: So if that is not true, what is true? What kind of person are you? Who are you?

KNOX: I mean, I really don't feel different from other people. I think that -- I mean, I wrote my book to show what kind of person I am. And I painstakingly sought out to be honest, to not hide. And I mean, even my parents were telling me, like, "Are you sure you really want to talk about this?" Because, like, I'm putting it -- I'm putting myself out there, because I'm tired of being judged on wrong information.

Like I -- I am being judged, and there's nothing I can do about that. But I am so tired of having to confront wrong information. Just this trying to prove what I'm not. And trying to prove what I didn't do. It's absurd.

And I'm -- I'm having to continue doing this to this day. And these -- these are fantasies. These are notions. Honestly, like I was discussing this with my boyfriend yesterday. Just trying to imagine, like, where is this idea of me coming from?
***
CUOMO: Is there any chance that prosecutors come up with a witness that can place you at the scene?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: Is there any chance that the prosecutors develop DNA evidence that puts you at the crime scene?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: Is there a witness who can put you with Guede?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: In the days before?

KNOX: No.

CUOMO: There's no chance?

KNOX: No chance. I mean, what they did, I mean, the prosecution claimed that it was Meredith's DNA on the knife, and it wasn't. That it was Raffaele's DNA on the bra clasp because he was there and that wasn't true. They claimed that it was Raffaele's footprints and it turned out to be Rudy Guede's.

They are going to claim things and I don't know what they're going to do because it always sounds like it's coming out of nowhere. But as far as I'm concerned, there is no evidence against me and there never will be any evidence against me. I just wasn't there.

CUOMO: Believe me because?

KNOX: Believe me because I'm telling the truth.



Shelley said...

AMANDA KNOX..


This was an area where he directly called her out on her lack of a direct response.




CUOMO: You're shocked that there's going to be a retrial, yes?

KNOX: Yes.

CUOMO: Why?

KNOX: Because there's no evidence against me. Because the physical evidence that the prosecution was putting forth and damning against me was proven to be wrong. And for all of their theories about my personality and my behavior, there is nothing that links me to this murder. I am not present at the crime scene. I am just not.

And the idea that I could have participated in a murder and yet be not present at the crime scene is ludicrous. So people can talk about my behavior and talk about my active sexual life all they want, but it's irrelevant to the fact that there is no evidence that places me at the murder scene.

CUOMO: Do you think you come off to I can't prove it and not enough I didn't do it. Do you understand the distinction between those two? Ask me if I killed somebody, the answer is no, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. Not you can't prove it. Not you can't place me at the scene. Do you understand how you can't place me at the scene sounds cagey?

KNOX: Yes, I mean, I have professed from the very beginning that I didn't do it and no one believed me. I was screaming it to the prosecutor when they were screaming at me during my interrogation telling me that I had amnesia, telling me that I had to know what I told them I didn't know and I do it and I wasn't there and no one listened to me. It's like I'm having to prove my innocence instead of just saying it.

Lis said...

Shelley, I am not Peter (by a long shot, ha ha!) but I was interested in the statement you posted and had a few thoughts on it-

Remember, first, that yes or no questions are the easiest to lie to, so it was not stressful for her to answer "no" to his questions.

"KNOX: No, absolutely not. And there's no evidence. There's no evidence of that"

-"No" is weakened by "absolutely not" and then further weakened by "There's no evidence." "There's no evidence" is repeated, making it more sensitive, and what exactly does she mean by "that" when she says "there's no evidence of THAT" ?

"KNOX: Well, in the book, I talk about all of my sexual experiences, and I haven't needed to talk about the details of that, because they aren't deviant. I was not strapping on leather and bearing a whip. I've never done that."

-I always get wierded out by Knox's statements and this is another. He has asked if she has been into deviant sex and she responds by talking about her "sexual experiences" and making it a plug for her book. I can't explain why but my creepy meter goes off. She enjoys talking about her sexual experiences, she brought up stuff like that in her police interrogation, too, and considering the circumstance, it was really creepy.

-What is said in the negative is important. She gives an example of strapping on leather and carrying a whip. Is that the sum total of all that is deviant? Of course not. And then she says, "I've never done THAT" as if that means she is not deviant. She has left unsaid, what has she done? How does she define deviant?

"And the reason why they continued to perpetuate this idea is because they had this idea about me. They created this idea about me, because it would legitimize their -- their accusations against me. I would be the type of person, a deviant, who would do this."

-Self-editing after "legitimize their" -what was she going to say?
-Is "I would be the type of person, a deviant, who would do this" an embedded confession?

I will have to go read the full transcript now!

Lis said...

KNOX: Yes, I mean, I have professed from the very beginning that I didn't do it and no one believed me. I was screaming it to the prosecutor when they were screaming at me during my interrogation telling me that I had amnesia, telling me that I had to know what I told them I didn't know and I do it and I wasn't there and no one listened to me. It's like I'm having to prove my innocence instead of just saying it.

-Was she really screaming "I didn't kill Meredith"? I have never read of her using those words. Also, wasn't she the one who claimed amnesia?

Anonymous said...

How did this turn into a discussion about Knox, it was about Billie.

Anonymous said...


Fayetteville man guilty of killing Shaniya Davis not of raping her ...
A jury on Thursday convicted a Fayetteville man of kidnapping and killing a 5-year-old girl more than three years ago, but he was acquitted of raping her.
www.wral.com/fayetteville-man-guilty-of.../12478628/

Lis said...

Anon, we post off-topic stuff under whatever the current topic is because there is nowhere else to do it. It might not be ideal but it works.

Local anon said...

I knew I would hit a nerve with not believing there is child porn and I gave my reasons why. I am not a Billie lover, I am long committed to this blog and a supporter of it and Peter. No, I do not have a strong belief there is no child porn. As I said, I did and have re-evaluated that belief for the reasons I stated. As I said, if I am wrong, and especially
If Shawn is convicted, I will happily eat my hat. I do not intend to argue the point, I just brought it up for consideration. As simple as that.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ktxs.com/news/KTXS-EXCLUSIVE-Affidavit-Shows-More-Child-Porn-In-Hailey-Dunn-Case/-/14769632/14680886/-/is154tz/-/index.html

KTXS EXCLUSIVE: Affidavit Shows More Child Porn In Hailey Dunn Case

Local anon: did you read this article? if not...

Hobnob said...

jodi arias Hung Jury mistrial on verdict new trial on the 18th for a new verdict

Lis said...

Local Anon, you don't need to eat your hat, it's just a matter of opinion at this point since no one knows. BD did say there was one child porn picture on the memory stick, and my thoughts were, that doesn't mean that was all there was, but, like you say, no arrests on it makes me wonder. Possibly it appeared to be a child and turned out to be older than first appeared. We don't know, we'll find out eventually.

Hobnob said...

They will poll to see how it was hung was it 1 holding out or what percentage they will have to now get a new jury who will have to be brought up to date for the penalty phase, her attornies may try and deal cos they want out they may well go for LWOP and drop all her appelate appeals and end it now rather than drag out it with her attornies wanting out.

Local anon said...

Thanks Lis, you got the points i hoped would be considered. And anon 7:23' yes, I read that. I am trying to say that it may not be legally considered child porn, and that I do not know what legally considered child porn. There are many smart Texas attorneys who come here. Perhaps they can clear this up. I will say again, I do not dispute that Patrick tombs and Billie saw what they think is child porn. My point is was it legally defined as child porn. I said won't argue this, as I do not know what is legally considered child porn. What all of us would consider child porn may not be legally considered child porn. It may sicken us but it may not be our standards.

Hobnob said...

18th july jodia arias

Lis said...

Anon, thanks for the link to the child porn article, it refreshed my memory. I have to wonder why no arrests and were they mistaken? But another thing I found interesting in that article is that they were trying to serve the warrant most likely for Adkins' DNA when BD was hiding him and lying about where he was.

Lis said...

Hobnob, I wonder if it was a holdout who does not believe in death penalty... we'll see.

Blaze said...

OT
I don't see how they are going to get a new jury in the Arias case..HLN has made that impossible..

Anonymous said...

At least the jury got the verdict right. That's the most important thing. I think it should be up to Travis' family to make the call whether Arias is offered life without parole or another jury for the penalty phase. They are the ones that will be most affected by living through so much of the evidence again. At least if Arias accepted life without parole and agreed to no appeals, if that is even an option, it would be over.

Anonymous said...

Blaze, it's only for the penalty phase. The guilty verdict stands.

Anonymous said...

Local anon said...May 23, 2013 at 7:45 PM and Lis said:
It sure has been confusing. I have been thinking the wording on the affidavits are legally correct. But what does that really mean?

If you have to eat your hat, I suggest, make it a delicious lemon cake with cream cheese frosting hat! :)

Blaze said...

Anonymous said...
Blaze, it's only for the penalty phase. The guilty verdict stands.
---

HLN has made it impossible for another Jury to be selected. I stand by that. The media should report on the case and show it if allowed..but they should not give opinions and try the case themselves every night for ratings and advertisements. They have done Travis and his family a great injustice!

Local anon said...

Thanks anon 8:48. Lemon and cheese cake will be so much better than salsa if I eat my hat.

Anonymous said...

Funny I go back and read Trigger get on local anon and think trigger fire ready aim. Ya fire after you ready and aim. At least in Texas.

Anonymous said...

Blaze, I could be wrong but haven't there always been high profile trials that newspapers carried or the townspeople discussed over their fences, at the salons and barbershops etc. and weren't those cases more often than not tried in the locality where they were committed?
Maybe I've watched too many old b&w movies. I'm picturing a paperboy shouting, "Extra, extra. Read all about it" in my head as I typed this. :-)

Anonymous said...

http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/05/23/Dad-who-drowned-sons-gets-death-penalty/2941369346885/

Texas man who killed his sons was sentenced to death today.

Anonymous said...

Well Trigger you probably BELIEVED just like Peter in the Utah LE. All he wrote and said about how justice for Susan Powell would be obtained is null and void regardless of how you chop it up and twist it around. SA failed. I dont believe LE has anything in this case and you deserve a good tongue lashing for being so critical over an opinion. Shame on you. Geeze.

Anonymous said...

I have tried to understand the reason(s) why LE would not arrest S Adkins for the illegal porn if he had any. Especially child porn, because what if he hurt another child in the meantime? (I do think it most likely there is illegal porn. But don't understand why no arrest.)

1. Could it somehow legally cause any problems or serious problems when they would find Hailey (deceased) with a murder trial. And they would not jeopardize that. They could come back to illegal porn charges in the future.
2. Would LE believe they would be better off with S Adkins out and about to monitor where he went and what he did. Maybe even hoping he might lead them to Hailey.
3. Or what if the case of child porn is not a for sure win with the images being on others computers?
4. Were they hoping for Billie to turn S. Adkins in. Maybe with some time to think things through?

I don't really know what to think. I have thought maybe all of the above. Mostly I have been afraid they don't have a strong legal case?

Unfortunately, I 100% believe S Adkins sexually harmed Hailey. I have no doubt about that.

The fact that S. Adkins told investigators a changing description that included negative comments about Hailey being sexually promiscuous screams he did something sexual to her. And clearly S. Adkins is blaming Hailey for what happened - in his own mind and hoping others will thinks so too if she is promiscuous. (She asked for it, she started it.) It is his excuse for his behavior.

Also he hopes to diminishes her character to others. Makes her someone to care less about. Maybe police will think her trash - so will not work so hard to find her. And hint hint, makes it more likely she really did just run off.

Also planting a suggestion (legal defense of doubt) (if Haily was found in time to still have evidence of sexual assault on her or her clothes,) to suggest others besides himself could be the perpetrator. Planting doubt as to 100% proof of who actually sexually assaulted her.

And there is no way BD cannot see what we all see? What this suggests is just so unbelievable.

I am just so sorry about what Hailey went through.

I do pray that Clint, Connie, David and all are holding up okay.

Anonymous said...

Shelley said...
Zahras dad also moved.
--------------

LE cut holes in the floor and walls and ripped the plumbing out plus more damage to the point the house was not livable.

Anonymous said...

anon 11:56, you do know Hailey was found right?

dadgum said...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/05/23/Steven-Powell-blames-police-for-sons-suicides/UPI-45031369337155/?rel=2941369346885

dadgum said...

Shelley..
Zahra's dad went back to Australia, taking her remains with him. The home was a rental in a small rural area..no one would want to live there after this. The entire county is upset and disgusted with the lack of prosecution, in light of his lies. He knows..he knew then..and he is involved.

Blaze said...

True Anon 10:23..that was different though.

HLN a national news station set up mock juries every night and tried the case on every issue.. with reporters who instead of just reporting on the trial.. gave their personal opinions on how the case should be viewed. They have compromised cameras in the courtroom…and caused more pain to the victims.

If we were back in the day of news papers and this was going on....we would wake up tomorrow to “Extra , extra, read all about it..NO JURY WILL EVER SENTENCE ME!”

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

anon 11:56, you do know Hailey was found right?

May 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Yes, I went back reading the affidavits tonight. I was referring to when S. Adkins was telling LE that Hailey was promiscuous.

I may not understand what is going on legally with the case, but, I do understand that S. Adkins did something monstrous and was trying to cover his tracks. And, in a not so original way.

http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0137_001.pdf

Anonymous said...

“I have always realized that was a possibility, but finding the remains so close to home makes me think that might not be the case.”

Billie says "THE REMAINS" twice in this article. Peter, why didn't you address this in your analysis?

This woman cannot be locked up quick enough. What in heaven's name is the hold-up?!!!!

john said...

OT..

Trayvon Martin: Gun And Drug Texts Released:

The defence team of accused killer George Zimmerman argues the new images and messages show a fuller picture of the Florida teen.

Photos and texts taken from Trayvon Martin's mobile phone have been released by lawyers for the man charged with shooting dead the 17-year-old last year in Florida.

They include conversations with a friend about fighting, smoking pot and being forced to move out of his mother’s house because of trouble at school, as well as images of a gun and what looks to be a potted marijuana plant.

A hearing next week is due to decide if the information can be used at the murder trial for Sanford neighbourhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.

Prosecutors want the negative evidence omitted, but Zimmerman's defence team said they want to show the jury that the young man had talked about fighting before.

"If they had suggested that Trayvon is non-violent and that George is the aggressor, I think that makes evidence of the fighting he has been involved with in the past relevant," said lawyer Mark O'Mara.

Twenty-nine-year-old Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, claiming self-defence. His trial starts next month.


George Zimmerman (R) and his lawyer Mark O'Mara
The photos released by the defence team also show Trayvon blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera.

In the text messages, the teenager tells a friend that his mother has told him he needs to move in with his father after "da police caught me outta skool."

"So you just turning into a lil hoodlum," his friend tells him.

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," he replies.

He also talks with a friend about smoking weed and guns.

"U wanna share a .380 w/ (blacked out)," another text message reads.

In another section, he describes being in a fight where his opponent got more hits than he did in the first round.

Prosecutors have filed a motion asking the judge to prevent the photos, texts and other personal information from being used at the trial.


A previous photo of Trayvon Martin released by his family
Lawyers for Trayvon's parents said in a statement that the photos and texts were irrelevant to the trial and could pollute the jury pool.

"Is the defence trying to prove Trayvon deserved to be killed by George Zimmerman because (of) the way he looked?" they asked.

"If so, this stereotypical and closed-minded thinking is the same mindset that caused George Zimmerman to get out of his car and pursue Trayvon, an unarmed kid who he didn’t know."

The hearing is set for next Tuesday when the court will also consider a defence team motion to delay the trial while they review the qualifications of an expert prosecution witness.http://news.sky.com/story/1095045/trayvon-martin-gun-and-drug-texts-released

Anonymous said...

Peter, I don't get it; what you mean by Billie & Shawn being "organically linked"? "Organically", how? I would say they are emotionally and psychologically linked, but organically? "Organically" in my opinion would be like mixing two different types of potting soil together, say with some compost in the mix creating an organic mix. Please explain. Thank you.

John, in your post @ 9:57 on 5/23, you attempt to use the "organically linked" phrase by saying "that poor Haileys' body was taken back into the ground by mother nature" when it wasn't. Haileys' remains were abandoned on top of the ground, left to rot, decay, knawed on, eaten and scattered about by animals. Her body was not taken back into the ground by mother nature; and apparently those few remains that were found never will be taken back into the ground since Billie plans to have Haileys' remains cremated. Can you explain how you determine Haileys' abandoned body and few remaining bones as being "organically linked"? Thank you. Observer

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Anonymous said...

From one who is fed up with the lack of prosecution on the child porn images that were found to be in possession of Shawn Adkins & Billie Jean Dunn; I have decided to take it one step further than just speculating, questioning and complaining about it.

I have contacted the Texas Attorney Generals' office and asked that he follow up on WHY these two were not apprehended and prosecuted. Children were being video raped and their horror rape images distributed by and between filthy child pornographers. These are not only violent, tragic and evil acts perpetrated against our helpless innocent ones, it is appalling. I want some action. If contacting the Attorney General does not produce results, I will find a Gloria Aldred to look into this matter. I do NOT intend to let this rest.

Presently my complaint and request is snarled up in governmental interoffice affairs. Beyond this brief post, I do not intend to keep anyone updated. I am acting on my own and this could turn out to be a long and slow process. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I want justice for these abused and raped children and action taken to protect them; with those who are/were involved put out of business and rotting in prison where they belong. Observer

john said...

Hi Observer,

I understand that most of Haileys remains have not been recovered, and those that have are waiting to be cremated.

You said: "Haileys remains were abandoned on top of the ground, left to rot, decay,"

This is what i'm talking about,they have decayed into the ground organically,not all i grant you that.

Organic substances “biodegrade” when they are broken down by other living organisms (such as enzymes and microbes) into their constituent parts, and in turn recycled by nature as the building blocks for new life. The process can occur aerobically (with the aid of oxygen) or anaerobically (without oxygen). Substances break down much faster under aerobic conditions, as oxygen helps break the molecules apart.

This is what i meant...

Anonymous said...

IMO, it does not matter what was found on teenager Trayvon Martins' text messages, phone conversations or emails; nor does it matter where he'd been previously or what he had done or might do.

Without cause PERTINENT TO THE EVENT, and being unarmed, he was tailed, stalked and hunted down like a rabid dog and shot dead by George Zimmerman who was on a mission to do that very thing. The end. Observer

Anonymous said...

Thank you John, for your explanation of what you believe to be organically induced biodegradable substances in the case of Haileys' rotting remains. Makes sense.

However, the thing is, those bones likely would never have become biodegradable with most of them having been scattered about by animals and the rest left lying on top of the ground. Wouldn't you think it more likely that her flesh had been eaten by insects and animals on the prowl looking for food and had not become biodegradable?

I suppose one could say that the excrement of the vermin is biodegradable and that makes it organic? Or some such logic. Anywayz, thanks for your explanation. I understand what you are saying. Observer.

REK said...

I hope peter makes a knox analysis

Anonymous said...

REK, I think Peter has already made an Amanda Knox analysis more than once and found her to be deceptive. You'll find the analysis over in the archives.

I agree with him more than 90% but still have some very small things I question. I think Amanda was so doped up at the time she barely knew where she was much less could account for many of her shenannigans, but the big thing was how she described taking a shower with loverboy and him scrubbing her hair and cleaning out her ears. Why in hades would he have been doing this if there had not been dried blood in her ears and hair? Dead give away.

I think now she's had a lot of time to clear the dope addled cobwebs and of her more than 50% brain dead brain cells and can speak more consisely and clearly. That however, still does not mean she is innocent no matter how she speaks fluently now.

Fact being, you can never trust a dopie, neither then, or now, or ever. They lied then, they doped then, they will do again for the very same reasons they did it in the first place. Observer

~ABC said...

"Is the defence trying to prove Trayvon deserved to be killed by George Zimmerman because (of) the way he looked?" they asked.

These strawman arguments drive me nuts! No, they are trying to prove that Trayvon was a cocky, young, thug capable of attacking George Zimmerman without legitimate cause.

REK said...

I have read his previous articles on knox, however this latest interview..every single answer she gives screams sensitivity to me. every time i hear "theres no evidence" i can almost guarantee that person is guilty. like i said "almost". obviously it takes more than that but every single time i hear that phrase the person is guilty and or has guilty knowledge

john said...

"If they had suggested that Trayvon is non-violent and that George is the aggressor, I think that makes evidence of the fighting he has been involved with in the past relevant," said lawyer Mark O'Mara.

I THINK THAT makes evidence of the fighting he has been involved with in the past relevant," said lawyer Mark O'Mara.

THINK:He only thinks the evidence of fighting is relevant,this weakens his statement..

THAT:That is distant,this is close.

If he "THINKS" The evidence is relevant why the distancing?

A more stronger statement would have been.

I "KNOW THIS"makes evidence of the fighting he has been involved with in the past relevant," And NOT, I THINK THAT makes evidence of the fighting he has been involved with in the past relevant,"

Anonymous said...

Good analysis, John. Personally, I don't care WHAT Trayvon might have done in the past, he wasn't doing it the evening in question.

These lawyers are paid handsomely, either with money or the notoriety of new clients who bring in the big bucks so it's to their advantage to manipulate, twist, spin and spin. And that's what they do while the clock tics and the meter runs.

We have many guilty murderers, embezzlers and others walking the streets today unpunished because of them; as well as others they helped to put behind bars or either were executed that they KNEW were not guilty when frequently their client was.

They will take their place in hell for what they've done to the innocent right along with their guilty clients and their judge buddies they conspired with. Observer

~ABC said...

Good point John. There's lots of uncertainty in that statement.

~ABC said...

Anon Observer said...
....he wasn't doing it the evening in question.
May 24, 2013 at 10:53 AM

How do you know this with certainty? Is your conclusion based on SA?

Kerli said...

Observer: I like you.

Marci said...

MOO BUT I don't think I could ever EVER describe my child as "remains" I would say their name or my baby or something but not say this is the general area where the remains were found. NOPE couldn't do that!

observer said...

Kerlli do you swallow¿ lol

Anonymous said...

I agree

Anonymous said...

"Statement analysis has proven this to be true. It has also proven that she is lying trying to pretend that she knows LESS than she does at the same time."

Baloney. SA hasn't proven jack. Her statements suggest that she is lying, but that's it.

Then this little gem:

"How do you know this with certainty? Is your conclusion based on SA?"

Maybe s/he reached a conclusion based on the fact that Mr. Martin went to get his sister some Skittles and an iced tea and if he hadn't been a young black man with a hoodie, he wouldn't have been murdered by a law enforcement wannabe.

I can't imagine referring to a loved one's body as "remains". It's her body. It is the general area where Hailey's body was found. Maybe since there wasn't a complete skeleton, she refers to "remains". Who knows? BD is off her rocker.

Francesca Anon

REK said...

i think statement analysis can prove or lead to a reasonable conclusion about the knowledge someone knows or doesn't know based on laws of logic.

Anonymous said...

Concerning Trayvon

on YouTube LLMPapa's channel has some great video commentary on George and what Papa thinks the evidence is. You can go back and look through if you want. Currently LLMPapa is doing a countdown to the trial.
Today's video is: 17 Days, George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COW9Zfu2wrk

john said...
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john said...

If ever someone has lied, and been caught out by their own words and memory recall this is it.

George Zimmerman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCwod-rn2DE

Anonymous said...

Shut up.

Anonymous said...

How one refers to their child's body as the remains I will never know. Shows she is really distancing herself from it all. I would say her body but not the remains. I feel she is guilty. Its the remains because its what was left after they killed her.

Anonymous said...

O/T -- Does anyone know whatever happened to the Julie Jeff Watts woman who admined a facebook page for awhile that supported Billie?

Trigger said...

To Franchesca anon,

Your ignorance of the science Statement Analysis is obvious.

Anonymous said...

BILLIE 2-202013


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/missingandexploited/2013/02/20/help-bring-hailey-darlene-dunn-safely-home

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Anonymous said...

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john said...

Anonymous said...
John, why don't you do statement analysis on you you tube link and show us the deception.

May 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

.................

Hi Anon,

I would love to one day,however,i am only a fraction of a % of were i would like to be in the study of SA,compared to Peter,Kaaryn,Heather,and a lot of members on here.

Thanks for your support.

Maybe one day. ;-)

Anonymous said...

OT-- he says "I DRUGGED HER"

Las Vegas, NV – Jose Canseco, a former MLB player and convicted wife beater, is a suspect in a reported sexual assault. While no charges have been filed, Canseco took to his Twitter on Wednesday to inform his followers of the situation while also tweeting his accuser’s name, picture and telephone number.

It started with four posts he made on Twitter yesterday, starting with one at 1:15 that read: “Breaking news this is a first folks las vegas police were just at my house i have been charged with rape by a [removed] from las vegas”

Two more tweets follow in which he welcomes the media to this “drama filled event” and says he’s willing to take a polygraph test. The fourth read:”[name removed] told police that i drugged her and then raped her.hmmmmm.lets find out what really happened.”

vicki

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
John, why don't you do statement analysis on you you tube link and show us the deception.

May 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM

.................

Hi Anon,

I would love to one day,however,i am only a fraction of a % of were i would like to be in the study of SA,compared to Peter,Kaaryn,Heather,and a lot of members on here.

Thanks for your support.

Maybe one day. ;-)

May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT-- he says "I DRUGGED HER"

Las Vegas, NV – Jose Canseco, a former MLB player and convicted wife beater, is a suspect in a reported sexual assault. While no charges have been filed, Canseco took to his Twitter on Wednesday to inform his followers of the situation while also tweeting his accuser’s name, picture and telephone number.

It started with four posts he made on Twitter yesterday, starting with one at 1:15 that read: “Breaking news this is a first folks las vegas police were just at my house i have been charged with rape by a [removed] from las vegas”

Two more tweets follow in which he welcomes the media to this “drama filled event” and says he’s willing to take a polygraph test. The fourth read:”[name removed] told police that i drugged her and then raped her.hmmmmm.lets find out what really happened.”

vicki


The accuser looks like a prostitute.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

John,
Have Peter, Kaaren or Heather done analysis on George Zimmerman?

Anon 2:04

Anne said...

I might have missed this somewhere, but does anyone know what kind of nurse BJD was. I read a comment that she wasn't RN or LPN, so whats left?

~ABC said...

Maybe s/he reached a conclusion based on the fact that Mr. Martin went to get his sister some Skittles and an iced tea and if he hadn't been a young black man with a hoodie, he wouldn't have been murdered by a law enforcement wannabe.
Francesca Anon
May 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM


What is so difficult about understanding that this is a statement analysis blog. Thus my question was specific to that!

And I don't recall asking you the question Francesca Anon, but just for fun I will ask you, were you there? Did you see this so-called fact occur?

john said...

Anon 3:42,

Go over to the right hand side on the SA home page,there is a SA search box.Type in what you want to search for,and if Peter has analyzed what you are looking for, it should pop up.

dadgum said...

I don't know if I can take watching an entire trial with that attorney saying Trayvon Mar-in..
nothing personal...lol

dadgum said...

Anne..she is an LPN, a couple of states call them LVN, Licensed Vocational Nurse. Same thing.

Anonymous said...

Useless petty bickering with nasty comments thrown in. For your info, I am not the Observer who posted in blue earlier today. I do not post nasty or suggestive remarks. Kerli, thank you for the compliment. I like you too, hon.


ABC, there is no way (for me) to logically answer the question posed to me earlier, as it is not possible to analyize statements or actions of a dead teenager concerning his past life when I've never heard him speak, NOR was I present at whatever it was he was doing prior to or during the incident where George Zimmerman murdered him. Sorry, your question leaves me in a mystery?

I repeat however, whatever it was Trayvon had done or had been doing prior to THIS incident on the night in question has no bearing on THIS incident; inasmuch as Trayvon had never broken into any units there at the complex, had never been seen lurking about the complex, had no history of B & E, therefore was not being sought by any police jurisdiction.

Trayvon was merely trying to make it back to his fathers' & fathers' girlfriends' home with the little package of skittles and the can of iced tea he had picked up for his little brother, when George Zimmerman stalked, harassed and shot him dead without reason or prior provocation. My only regret is that Trayvon wasn't able to thrown George a few more good punches of get that gun away from him.

As to George Zimmerman; Why question the questions of a liar who has already proved himself a liar; if at no other time, during his bond hearing as he sat there pleading indigent, when he, his wife and his family all claimed he/they had no money, when in fact he and wife had more than enough cash to pay out his bond that day from funds that had been collected for him on the internet; and I believe there were some other lies that day; including how George lied in court and was holding back and HAD HIDDEN his only vaid passport.

If you listen to the video on the link John posted above, you can clearly hear some more of Georges' lies coming from his own mouth. Thank you John! Observer

Exhausted said...

Anon @ 805am, Your idea is awesome, please give me contact info and I'll contact them in hopes of putting some pressure on them. I am floored that the child porn was overlooked, and the horrific actions that took this girls life, too? WTH, Texas?

Marci- Of everything BJD has said, I think referring to her daughter as "the remains" hurt my heart the most. That one statement sums up her as a mom. How distant, cold and unloving can a person BE? That was mindboggling to me... unreal. :(

Anonymous said...

Forgive all errors: thrown = throw. vaid = valid. Thank you, Observer

MizzMarple said...

Hi Peter,

I know you are busy, but I am posting the transcript of the jury foreman's interview on GMA for Statement Analysis. Thank You !


GMA Elizabeth Vargas' interview with jury foreman

Elizabeth Vargas: Let's bring in now the jury foreman, Bill Z.
Good morning Bill, it's really great to have you here.
You did say

Jury Foreman, Bill Z: And.. so.. we

EV: You had a hard time believing she would be capable of .. of just looking at her, that she could be capable of doing this.

Jury Foreman Bill Z: Yeah, that true
I mean when I walked in the courtroom, the first time
And .. and looked at who the defendant was ..
You.. you know it's hard to put that in perspective
When you look at a young woman and think of the crime.
And then you see the brutality of the crime, it just doesn't wash.
So it's very difficult to... to .. d d divert umm divest yourself from.. from the personal... from the emotional part of it.

EV: You did find her guilty of killing another man, and taking another life.
You said you did not believe her story that she murdered Travis Alexander in self defense.
But you say you do believe that Travis Alexander did emotionally and mentally abuse Jodi.

Jury Foreman Bill Z: I'm .. I'm very sure in my own mind, that she was ah mentally and verbally abused.
Now, is that an excuse.. of course not.
Does it factor in to decisions that we make...it.. it has to.

EV: Do you think she did herself any favors on the stand ..
Ah there has been a lot of debate over whether those 18 days of testimony helped or hurt her.

Jury Foreman Bill Z: No, I think 18 days hurt her.
I think she was not a good witness .. ummm

EV: Because?

Jury Foreman Bill Z: We go we go into .. we're charged .. we're charged with going into presuming innocence, right.
Umm, but she was on the stand for so long.
There were so many contradicting stories..
Uh, I think th.. the way the prosecutor umm.. was with her.. he's known for an aggressive style.
I think it was very hard.. I think it would be difficult for anybody.
I don't think I want to sit on the stand for 18 days.
Umm, but I don't think it did her any good, no that length of time,
no I don't think it did her any good at all.

EV: And you did say the most gut wrenching part of this entire experience for you was listening to the family of Travis Alexander talk about their lose. What was that like?

Jury Foreman Bill Z: Yeah, that's a great question, Elizabeth.. if only I had a good answer.
Until you're face to face with people that have gone through something like that
It's .. it's something that you can't put into words.
I'm six feet away from somebody talking about a horrendous loss...
And .. if you can't feel that then.. then you have no emotion.. no soul.
And yet we couldn't allow ourselves to be emotional on the stand.
We couldn't allow ourselves to.... to show emotion..
Although, I'm sure some came through.
And I'm very proud of my.. my peers and my jurors that were with us..
Um because they did a fantastic job of .. of holding it together.
Different story once we got back in the jury room.
It was a gut wrenching thing that we had to go through.
And everybody.. had to make their own decision.

EV: Bill Z, thank you so much for your service on the jury and for joining us this morning. We appreciate it.

Jury Foreman Bill Z: Well it was my pleasure, thank you

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jodi-aria...nd-then-didnt/

MizzMarple said...

Here is the video of the jury foreman's interview with AZ Central on Jodi Arias trial:

I wish there was a transcript, but can't find one -- but it is worth listening to.

No doubt, the foreman voted for 'life' for Arias -- he says "She's a human."

OMG ... she's a murdering monster.


Link:

http://www.azcentral.com/video/2407451853001

Anonymous said...

Exhausted, thank you for your kind offer of assistance in re contacting the Texas Attorney General for action on the child porn charges. At this point I am winging it on my own, but can punch a huge wallop when the time comes, also will seek additional (legal) help when/if necessary.

Although I prefer (and hope) to remain anonymous, I am blazing hot under the collar about nothing being done about prosecuting Billie & Shawn after child porn was found in their possession; and will not be shunned or left at the starting gate in this matter of child pornography/video rape and distribution going unpunished. It MUST be stopped (NOT IGNORED!)and the guilty apprehended wherever possible. Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

The above post at 5:53 was made by me.... Observer

Exhausted said...

Do you mind posting a phone number and/or email address?

I think that the more pressure that is put on them, the better chance we will see some justice for Hailey.

I can't for the life of me understand why charges have not been brought against the woman who gave birth to Hailey and the @$$#0!# she brought into her home to abuse and murder this innocent girl.

Vita said...

BJD's - records are online, if you click on either, they are both PDF's. The one of her work history is dated 2011.

http://lf.hpc.texas.gov/THP/Default.aspx?d=n&q={[Nurse%20Board%20Orders]:[license%20number]=%22192287%22}

Her said that Hailey at age 6, would read her nursing books, she obtained her license 12/2003. Hailey would have been six.

She to say of Hailey in elementary school, she *took* two sets of REAL Human Lungs to school.

Billie's first employer after she obtained her license, her records state she was employed from Jan 04-March 04, Hailey then would have been, in elementary.

Hailey to read nursing books at six, she to be in first or second grade? she to turn 7 in 04.

Billie worked from 1/04 to 3/04 in an all male prison, walking distance from 1804 Chestnut.

Her stint to be short, she to become employed in 4/04 at Cogdell Memorial in Snyder. Her records show her history.

Her said, she took, two sets of REAL Human lungs, Hailey didn't Take anyone's lungs. Someone did take them, someone who had the privileged avenue to get their hands on them. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

Her said is she worked in the ER, OB unit, Medical surgery - before she was found out, to be working on an expired license. 6yrs plus in OB, Medical surgery. Her said of dissecting, - Hailey following,..

Yes, I do believe there is truth in what Billie says.

People believe there are Angels among us, that walk this earth. Why is it so difficult for people to understand, there are those who are the polar opposite, evil to the 12th degree. They too are among us. Yes, they too become educated in areas of medicine, not for reasons to benefit humanity. They get what they desire out of it, and " walk" away. As Billie was given the opportunity to reinstate her license. It's all in the documents. She chose not to take up the offer.

Why? because her met her needs.
Her needs.

Trigger said...

Every time I view the photo of Billie with the dirty, dangerous looking guy in the mask, who has his hand firmly clasping her jaw, with red stuff that resembles blood on his clothes, I can't help but think, she looks as happy as a hog in slop.

Exhausted said...

Peter,
I know you've said you believe B&S will be arrested. What are your thoughts on why they have not been up to this point?

Same question regarding whatshisface- Baby Ayla's father. Justin.

I read SO many conflicting thoughts on Madeline McCann. But all ideas seem to be the same when it comes to Hailey & Baby Ayla. (And Baby Lisa)

Both cases seem to have quite a bit of evidence that the public is aware of- I would think there's more evidence that has been held back.

I just don't get it, I don't understand why there have not been arrests.

Shelley said...

WOW. I finally was able to load the memorial for Hailey.,her teachers were more emotional than mommy dearest! How anyone in that room could still call Billie a loving mother is beyond me!

No emotion, no heart and no love! She read some words on a paper. Even the words show she forced herself to say something.

Cold evil woman!

ACH said...

Yes Vita, I agree,there seems to be an opposite for everything, love hate, black white, hot cold, Kyrons mother Hailey's mother, why not Angels?

ACH

Anonymous said...

From the new Billie Jean interview analysed by Peter, note what John "Drunk And Firing Blindly" Young said -

http://www.oaoa.com/news/article_fd259cc0-c25b-11e2-a502-0019bb30f31a.html


it remains to be seen where the case will be prosecuted - it could be either the county where the crime occurred or where the remains were found, Young said.

How does trigger-happy Young know that Hailey was murdered in one county (Scurry County) but buried in another county (Mitchell County)?

ARREST Pillie Jean "I know all those roads and I can tell you that only the killer would know those roads so the killer is Straight Outta West Texas like me and Shawn" NotDunnNothingKerplunk

ARREST Shawn "my facebook banner is a photoshop of where I buried Hailey" Adkins

And DISBAR Drunk John Trigger-Happy Young

NNNNooooooo said...

ARREST Clint potsmokin Dunn

Skeptical said...

I am so sick and tired of wussy juries. I have nothing but scorn for the Arias jury. They knew when they signed on they said they would be capable of rendering a penalty of death. When they were in the jury room was not the time to decide they could not. It is called doing your duty.

I don't want to hear any song and dance about you don't know what you will do on a death penalty case until you are faced with the decision. If that's the case and you have doubts, don't serve. I so wanted the judge to tell them to put on their big girl panties and deal with it.

If the situation is pared down to its essentials. The jury had a choice of feeling guilty about assessing the death penalty to a psychopath or betraying the victim Travis Alexander. I don't think of the dilemma as giving Jodi Arias the death penalty. She earned it and made them look like fools to boot.

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Anonymous said...

Clint Dunn, the father of a missing teenage girl whose badly decomposed remains were identified last month, was arrested in Abilene on Friday after marijuana and a handgun were reportedly found in his vehicle.

According to an arrest report, Clinton William Dunn, 35, was pulled over by an Abilene police officer in the 1700 block of North Second Street for having expired license plates. When the officer approached the vehicle, he reported smelling marijuana.

A marijuana joint reportedly was found in a cigarette box, and a partially burned joint was found in an ashtray. A .25-caliber handgun was found on the driver’s seat of Dunn’s car, the report said.

Dunn is being held at Taylor County Jail in lieu of a $3,250 bond.

Anonymous said...

Why would he need a gun on the driver's seat?

Vita said...

ACH, Billie quoted:
BTR interview: When asked why someone would say she’d had a birth control conversation with her daughter, Billie said,

“Because I did. Yeah. She’s thirteen. She started her period.

I did have a birth control talk with her, but I knew she wasn’t sexually active, but we don’t know when it is gonna happen. “I just wanted to make sure that she knew, yes, I would be upset, I would be disappointed, but you have to, I have to help you.”
==
Hailey turned 13 August 28th 2010. Billie on NG agreed with NG, when NG asked her, Adkins was allowed, he moved into your house approximately 4 months prior to Hailey's vanishing?
Dunn: Right
He was allowed and did then move in around Hailey's 13th birthday.
She groomed him. He stunted, he younger, he saturated by his love for horror, collecting, all the better for HER. He on drugs, all the better for her to escalate him to the hard stuff. She supplied, she hosted, she provided.

Her Dob: 05/04/1977, Shawn's: 06/30/1985
-What reaction did his moving in stir in " Billie" herself? Certainly didn't make her a better mother, it procured her an alibi for her own actions. She chose him. She baited him, she lured him, and he fell into her world. She and he documented on 911 calls 2/2010 are her own production. His call into 911 is his attempt for her to be provided safety. He calls 911 and the Operator to him, you know you have an open warrant. He remains on the line, as he is not of his own priority. Her calls are documenting him as: MHMR, And he`s telling me that he`s going to kill me and my ex-husband and that it`s going to be remembered for a long time. And he keeps on texting me and texting me. And I`ve texted back just to try to calm him down a little, but he said it`s going to happen.

What was the truth? She found out he was with Andrea for Valentine's day. Adkins and she were broken up, he to pay the piper as the piper was stalking him. Her property was not behaving. She to make her documented case upon her 911 calls. She needed him more than he needed her. Who was offered to him as a consolation? or was it a first choice? his own, being " Hailey".

Sept 1st, 2010, within a wk of Adkins moving into the house, She began,the affidavits, Billie Jean Dunn, searched online within her work hours, printed off using her work printers, endless pages of " Serial Killers" - the searching and printing, taking the documents home. Was from 9/1/2010-10/5/2010. The killers chosen were of the most heinous documented Serial Killers, their acts upon young girls, Hailey's age. What was the common of them besides their lust for young girls, teen girls? they were dissectors. Billie and her dead bat story, old shoe box, we're gonna dissect it Momma. I am so proud, but go bury it.

Hailey was 13 for 12wks. 12 short weeks. She plucked purposely, planned, gone baby gone. Life over. “Because I did. Yeah. She’s thirteen. She started her period.

What did Billie do? not said. Hailey's body to become fertile? or to begin to bleed? due to loss of? her next said: “I just wanted to make sure that she knew, yes, I would be upset, I would be disappointed, but you have to, I have to help you.” - BJD who worked in OB, and medical surgery in her past, topic is pregnancy? botched abortion? within dissection, her read upon serial killer techniques. She who stole silver nitrate sticks to use, brand David with. Hailey is still out there, her partial remains are not yet found. BJD is a proud follower of her Serial Killer's footsteps - her mentors.
Her marbles remain to leak.
She continues to speak, she wants her credit, this why she won't shut up. Her words are woven with the truth. She is a monster, her pride is still out there, her trophies, buried, possibly in an old shoe box.

Dee said...

Re: Clint Dunn...it just gets worse and worse. High and in possession of a gun? smh

Coahoma Event said...

Dunn is being held at Taylor County Jail in lieu of a $3,250 bond.

Through a bondsman that would be... OMG $325 !!!!

Malaise said...

BJD...

“I want to take other mothers under my wing and get their child’s face out in the media. I want to make sure Hailey has a legacy and I will start doing some advocating.”

Mark Redwine

“I am asking that we stop and evaluate the process as a community, to come up with a more productive approach in the search for Dylan and missing children across the country,” he wrote in the statement. “No child who is missing should have to wait for certain criteria to be met before the public is notified and an alert be sent out.”

There are many statements by guilty parents of missing children, the Mccanns etc, appealing for help to find OTHER missing children. Would an innocent parent appeal for other children or focus on their own child? Is it a "tell" of the guilty? I think in the early days of said child going missing it is not expected. Does anyone have any thoughts?


REK said...

Here, she addresses and ultimately seeks to protect Shawn Adkins against suspicion as she spins with the help and cooperation of media: “I have always realized ,that was a possibility, but finding the remains so close to home makes me think that might not be the case.”

She does try to spin this sentence by inferring she doesn't believe that SA was involved. Therefore if this is what she's truly trying to convey..why does the word "realized" show up in her first sentence.

I'm trying to think of scenarios when you would use realize outside of the scope of reality. If you realized it was a possibility then why would your next sentence negate that? Doesn't seem right to me. It's hard to put it into words. Part of it is her trying to show that she did suspect him all along..like an unknowing mother would(even when she was hiding him?)

REK said...

“I have bigger fish to fry — to make sure there is justice. They are bullies and they are set in their ways.” I wonder if these couple sentences are complete or had been pieced together? Because if not, is she inferring that her focus (which is justice) is to fry the bigger fish (being bullies who are set in their ways?) that is her idea of what "is justice" ?

SKEoD said...

true REK, i agree, every time she tries to suggest Shawn may be guilty, her accusation is totally weak. She just does not believe he did it.

you will get nowhere in life being a jerk.... at least you won't get others to help you find your missing kid if you don't have compassion and care about others who have missing kids.

as admin of a missing persons page, i have seen and learned to share other missing kids flyers will increase membership of your page and word of the one you are advocating for will be shared and spread to be seen by more. if you are an arse, and don't help others, your advocacy stops.

SKEoD said...

Im drinking sperm

yep said...

skeod, you need to be honest. You are the admin of a page that does not support Hailey Dunn. You do nothing but support the murderer Billie Dunn. You have gone as far as to say you are in love with her and if you had sex, you wouldn't have to testify against her because you've solved this case sole handed, along with all your different names carrying own a conversation with yourself. You need to go elsewhere to sell your load of bullchit because the people here aren't buying it.You read other peoples information, type it as your own, trying to make yourself appear better than what you are in an attempt to throw all this "proof" out there so when everything comes out you can say.... see I told you I solved this case. You and all your personalitites make me sick.

exhausted said...

^^^Like Button. lol

Trigger said...

"I want to take other mothers under my wing...etc."

I believe that BD is attempting set herself up as a paid advocate, in addition to gaining credibility in an effort to solicit money from donors.

She is a con artist with an agenda.

She has already proven that she is unable to think logically and soberly when it comes to the well being of her children.

Anonymous said...

And no more minors to support.
Wait, she does have a son, no longer a minor, who now supports her, and buys her 'pretty' dresses, etc.

john said...

"I want to take other mothers under my wing"


Usually, someone who takes you under his/her wing doesn’t just keep you safe. He also acts as your mentor, helping you to succeed. For example, your boss might take you under his/her wing at work. Or an upperclassman might take you under her wing at school. An older sibling or friend might take you under her wing by giving you advice and looking out for you.

You should have thought of that years ago!!!! When your daughter needed guidance...

Hobnob said...

I have to wonder if hailey died when she did because she had just turned 13?

Does Texas have laws relating to underage sex of girls under say 13 which are more stringent than if they were aged 13 and under 16?

Aged 12 it is rape regardless with severe penalties and no mitigation, 13 to 16 the perp can claim consensual or the penalties are not as strict?

What hapened in the weeks when he knew hailey before she turned 13 and the weeks from him moving in and her murder?

Was her age an inportant part of what happened?

Was her age a requirement to fit in with the fantasy?

drdebo said...

maybe when its an election year the DA will do something with this case- until then its Peter carring the torch....thanks Peter for being the vocie for all these "abducted" and "missing" children killed by their parents and their partners.

Trixiebelle said...

Every day I 've looked on here.... I had faith with "pointhunter," I've had faith with Peter, and now I can honestly say that I don't know what to expect.

When are arrests going to be made????

I am sorry that BJD appears to be a piece of work. I am sorry that Clint Dunn appears to be nothing more than a pothead. I am sorry that David's lack of action makes me question what kind of big brother he is...

So, when are arrests going to be made? I have no idea. I had hope things would have moved along much faster than they already have.....

I had faith in LE., ....but now, I am simply confused.

As each day passes since the discovery of remains on Saturday, March 16th 2013 in Scurry County by Curtis Lloyd, I become less and less optimistic that arrests will be made.

Rock on, BJD and Sean Adkins. Clint Dunn, too. Y'all got away with murder.
,
I think I am going the agnostic route soon.

Anonymous said...

My faith in LE is gone! Why weren't they arrested for the child porn? Why haven't they even been taken in for questioning> WE ALL know both have lied and BD has lied a LOT even to LE! WE know who killed Hailey but apparently we are the only ones who care and want justice.

Anonymous said...

Coahoma Event said...
Dunn is being held at Taylor County Jail in lieu of a $3,250 bond.
Through a bondsman that would be... OMG $325 !!!!
May 24, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Clint made a statement about his pot smoking early on when Hailey was missing. He said he wanted to move where it would be legal so I assume he went to either Colorado and CA.

clint was in CA said...


agnostic route?? i really dont think it was your god that caused this, but more the lack of faith in your same god that the people surrounding this case and hailey did not have for your god. maybe if they hadn't been agnostic Hailey wouldn't be dead. but hey, if you think you are better than your god, go for it.