Tuesday, May 14, 2013

Hailey Dunn Case: Inquisitive Grand Jury Three: Shawn Adkins

Shawn Adkins was the early focus in the investigation, though this would not last.

In a series of increasingly desperate appearances on the Nancy Grace Show, it was Billie Dunn, herself, who was left with picking up the pieces and attempting to spin, control, and eventually, 'correct' information that the public would hear, so much so, that she even held her own press conference, with her own time line.

A lightning rod for trouble, she was either unwilling or incapable of keeping quiet, and, like most chronic liars, grew increasingly hostile when not believed.

Billie Jean Dunn became the focus for a public who wanted to know where Hailey was, and what happened to her.

Dunn angered the public with her deceptive stories and each attempt to cover the holes in her story meant slight changes, adjustments, and back peddling which, instead of endearing herself to the public, only served to increase its anger and reveal more information.

Somewhere along the time period in which Billie Dunn took front and center, Shawn Adkins was religated to the background.

Perhaps he needs to thank Dunn.

Yet it was Shawn Adkins who, initially, was suspected, with Billie Dunn able to take the role of battered woman, under the control of the masked scary Adkins. Even police, early on, offered Dunn a 'shoulder to cry on', safe haven from the monster (he hated being portrayed as a monster), but it went quickly to suspicion:

Why won't she stay away from him?
Why is she sneaking off with him?

Eventually...

Why does she need to lie for him?

And finally...

She was arrested for him.

This eventually led to the public's belief that Billie Dunn was more than just a little involved in the disappearance of Hailey Dunn, but was eternally linked, by guilt, to Shawn Adkins, and would have to be faced down with the scariest of issues:

What if Shawn Adkins talks?

Shawn Adkins was initially named a "Suspect" in the case, only to later have another law enforcement agency call Dunn and Adkins "Persons of Interest."  One thing about this case that was tough for journalists:  most editors will not allow them to use information from other organizations, so unless a particular law enforcement officer said "it", "it" could not be used.  Some sought comments from the Colorado City police, others from Texas Rangers, and still some from FBI.  This led to a disjointed picture, which may have, inevitably, led people to read the analysis posted here, not only for analysis, but for a cohesive picture of what took place.

Behavior

Adkins' behavior, from the first moments, drew suspicion to him.  When spoken to, he initially said that the police could view his cell phone, but then went on to delete things in law enforcement presence.  Strange behavior during the critical time period of a missing child case is more than just a coincidence, especially when a Grand Jury gets to hear the case in its entirety.  What did he have to hide?

This will, eventually, lead to the evidence of the massive and extreme number of deviant images in the possession or accessibility of both Adkins and Billie Dunn.

Creep Factor

The Grand Jurors will be impacted by the pornography.  How could they not?  What will they see?

a.  Vile material
b.  violent material
c.  participation by Dunn

This will cause them to fret.  They will be impacted and wonder at what environment this poor 13 year old child was subjected to.  It is not something that Dunn's attorney will enjoy dealing with and expect him to blame Adkins, but the problem with this is Billie Dunn's own willful appearance in the home made porn:

Did she 'take the lead' in the home made porn as she has taken the lead since reporting Hailey missing? If so, this will leave the Grand Jury with a distinct impression of Billie Dunn's leadership in the case, and may actually take some of heat off of Dunn.

When asked about his whereabouts that morning, he was seen as unprepared in his lie.

He was fired from his job.
He got into a fight with his supervisor.
He had a new job lined up.
He just wanted a soda.
He dropped off his Michael Myers coveralls.

The changing story was indicative of lying:  a non-rehearsed part of their story.  This is something Grand Jurors will be impacted with.

Cell phone pings and location

Grand Jurors will be able to hear that Adkins not only went in a strange and suspicious pattern that morning, but his cell phone ping will place him squarely at the location of the remains.


108 comments:

Anonymous said...

It looks like a "merecat"BUT lacks the emotion of one! (my names "Me"but i cant log in).

S + K Mum said...

BJD put SA before her missing daughter. She lied for him. Why? To protect herself, I don't think it was ever about protecting SA. If she needs protecting then there is obviously a reason why. An innocent person has no need to lie.
I hope soon there will be arrests made. On the other hand, the guilty may be growing in confidence that there is little evidence and will expose more!

Anonymous said...

ARREST Pillie Jean NotDunnNothingKerplunk

ARREST Shawn "Killing A Baby Deer Is Just Like Killing A Girl" Adkins

DO NOT LET EITHER MURDERING DRUGGIE SADIST RAPIST SCUMBAG NEAR HAILEY'S FUNERAL

Anonymous said...

I don't get it Peter, how you speculate that if/when the grand jury views the illicit videos/images/materials that were found in Shawn & Billie's possession, and see that Billie participated in making some of these raw materials, that it may take some of the heat off Billie?

How would this take some of the heat off Billie once the grand jury sees that she was a participant? It seems to me like it would add to the heat on Billie, not take some of it off.

Can you explain this theory? Thank you.

Nic said...

SA answered two pointed questions honestly and directly.

Where could Hailey be found? "Scurry County."

Who should LE be looking at? "Both of us."

Everything after that, what BJD said/did/did not do and consequences of her behavior (arrest) substantiates his "confession".

jmo

Are we waiting for a Grand Jury to convene so that arrests can be made? Is this the "delay"?

Anonymous said...

JUST LIKE BEFORE ....COMMENTS THAT CONTRADICT THE OF THIS HERE WITCH HUNT GET DELETED.

Anonymous said...

Nic, it seems to me like those comments of Shawns' would have been enough of an admission to arrest him (and Billie) on the spot, had it been followed up on; or at least had his butt hauled off to the county jail and grilled extensively until he did confess; inasmuch as (in a fashion) he was making a confession and implicating Billie right then.

Why ask the questions if LE wasn't going to take any action? Obviously, they've dropped the ball every step of the way; up too and including not taking any action on the child porn (WHY is the big question?) when they had it right under their noses. But what did LE do about any of it? Nothing, they let it drop.

In fact, I don't recall Shawn serving any time either when LE was searching for him and he was hiding in Billie's house while she lied for him. What happened to all that, other than Billie being picked up, slapped on the wrist and getting a little probation for lying to LE?

When looking back on all the past shenannigans, AND evidence, and considering that STILL nothing useful has been done by LE, why would we think that any grand jury is ever going to convene and take any action now, or that LE ever intends to prosecute either Shawn or Billie in Haileys' death, OR in the illegal drugs and child porn matter?

IMO, Local Anon is right on in her projection of no arrests (certainly not anytime soon, if ever). Not only is Local Anon closely connected locally, but also has a close connection with an FBI Agent in the family who works just up the road in another county FBI office. I realize she can only divulge so much, but IMO, she could easily tell us more than she already has; e.i., what is the stall in arresting them all about? Without divulging who you are and putting yourself on the spot, Local Anon, what say you?

Anonymous said...

Why would the GJ even hear about the pornography? It's troubling but not relevant.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:15, you'll have to get used to the fact that some (many) anon posts get dropped (or not). It is irrelevant that many of us anons feel that we don't have a choice in not divulging who we are.

I've been here since the early stages of the Haliegh Cummings investigation and have had many posts deleted, as have many others; and some that should have been deleted and weren't. It is Peter's choice to make.

You'll have to accept it and move on, or just pick up your fiddle stix and move on entirely. Your choice, you don't have another one.

Anonymous said...

Have you lost a few of your marbles, anon @ 9:22? Child porn is not relevant? You've GOT to be kidding!

Anonymous said...

So true.

Anonymous said...

The GJ WILL NOT hear about the porn UNLESS it can be shown that Hailey was photographed for the purposes of child exploitation.

PERIOD.

The child porn, if and when it EVER comes to the GJ OR the courts, will be a separate case altogether. The ONLY reason that LE has not yet pressed charges on the child porn they found (109,000 images) is because they are hoping to have "bigger fish to fry", namely, the murder of Hailey Dunn. And yet they are having trouble coming up with enough concrete evidence to go foward with arrests and indictments.

Again, we are getting the cart before the horse in this case.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

"When asked about his whereabouts that morning, he was seen as unprepared in his lie.

He was fired from his job.
He got into a fight with his supervisor.
He had a new job lined up.
He just wanted a soda.
He dropped off his Michael Myers coveralls.

The changing story was indicative of lying: a non-rehearsed part of their story. This is something Grand Jurors will be impacted with.

Cell phone pings and location

Grand Jurors will be able to hear that Adkins not only went in a strange and suspicious pattern that morning, but his cell phone ping will place him squarely at the location of the remains."

CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

Texas Anon

john said...

Hi Texas Anon.

He was fired from his job.
He got into a fight with his supervisor.
He had a new job lined up.
He just wanted a soda.
He dropped off his Michael Myers coveralls.

Is this the order in which he told his story?

Anonymous said...

The more one gets away with wrong doing and lying the more confident they become and the easier it gets. These two murdering pedophiles have gone 2 years with freedom. It has created a window of time to rehearse their stories and build their confidence in doing so.
It's not always the case: give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves - sometimes it's the opposite - give 'em enough space and they will master their skill: in this case lying, alibi building and convincing family members they were not involved.
LE has screwed up on this one royally. They have had many opportunities to put one or both away: child porn is just #1. They could have detained SA as a suspect. If they would have jailed him, he would have spilled the beans on Billie. They let the stripper keep SA like a dog on a leash and now he obeys his owner.
I smell close ties with LE coming from either one of these families or both. Something stinks here~

Anonymous said...

Though I do believe there was pornography found I do not believe they found child pornography. If they had found child pornography they would have been arrested. Pornography alone(of the non-kiddie version) is not going to get these people arrested. Nor will it show a grand jury (even if Shawn and Billie are the "stars") that they murdered Hailey or that they were likely the murderers. You need proof that they committed kidnapping/murder to arrest them for her death.

Anonymous said...

Texas Anon, you make it sound like the child porn was no biggie, when it IS. Shawn & Billie could have been arrested a long time ago and sentenced to serve many years in prison for the many counts of child porn, while the pursuit of Haileys' remains and evidence leading to prosecution in her death continued. Of course, a separate issue; nobody ever said it wasn't a separate issue.

Getting the cart before the horse is in LE NOT making arrests for the child porn when they could have, and SHOULD have, eons ago. They already had the evidence of child porn but did not have the evidence of Haleys' death or who caused it. Now that they've waited it out and blew their chances of arresting Shawn and Billie on the child porn charges, you are saying then, that now LE can't use the child porn evidence unless Haileys' image is found on it?

Let's just say I HOPE you are wrong.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more, anon @ 10:03.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, anon @ 10:19. LE themselves announced they had found child porn on many of the images, yet they made no arrests.

I do agree that LE needs strong evidence that Shawn & Billie (one or both) murdered Hailey before they can charge them with her murder. But as Texan Anon so aptly point out, the CHILD PORN is a separate issue for which they should have been prosecuted a long time ago.

The only reasonable answer I can find for LE NOT prosecuting on the child porn charges is that they are following up on who else was involved in the child porn, where Shawn & Billie GOT the child porn, who they purchased it from, who they were distributing it too, and most importantly; who were, and where are, the children involved?

These children need to be sought out and protected, and their perpetrators tracked down and prosecuted. Child porn more often than not has far reaching tenacles and can take a lot of time to investigate. This sickens me. LE had Shawn & Billie in the palm of their hand, which is the logical place to start their investigation of the child porn, could have made them talk from behind bars, yet they didn't.

All of this time, those poor children depicted in the child porn have been in grave danger! This is another reason Shawn & Billie should have been arrested immediately upon discovery that they had child porn in their possession. What IS LE doing about this child porn? Nothing?

shmi said...

Wondering if anyone knows for a FACT that child porn was in the 109,000 images? Did LE ever say that? Maybe it was Adult porn only, and that's why no arrests were made. Wouldn't LE have to act on child porn? Would they make an attempt to look for the children being abused?

I will say again that if child porn is part of the images, and nothing happened, then a whole lot of people in LE (judges, lawyers, police, sheriffs, county and state elected and appointed people) must be involved.

Dee said...

OMG - Another PR move by BJD. Does this organization know anything about her? Can't believe this...

Austin, TX Chapter Army of Angels, Cloud #55 is part of the International Coalition of Army of Angels founded by Kathleen Moore. This Chapter is lead by Billie Jean Dunn.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Austin-Texas-Chapter-Army-of-Angels/170335959799385

Anonymous said...

shmi, I think I answered your questions in my post just above yours @10:45.

shmi said...

Anon at 10:45, I must have been typing when you were.

Do you have a link to LE saying child porn was found? Thanks, and I would love to see or hear or view it!


QChick said...

Why so many anon posters? You do not have to give up any info, or register with blog site. Just click on Name/URL under Choose an identity and type something in-even Anon5.

Lucy said...

OT: ICE is asking for the public's help in rescuing a 7-9 year old girl who is being exploited by a child pornographer. Several videos of this child have recently been posted to the net. They look to have been made in the US. Fortunately, the abuser's face is clearly visible in at least one. Please take a look at the stills and see if you recognize him.

http://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHSICE-7aef63

Anonymous said...

Hi, John:

Is this the order WHO told his story? SA?

I don't know. I just copied and pasted what Peter wrote, in the order it was written.

Texas Anon

john said...

Sorry Texas Anon,

I was half asleep when i read the OP,DOH. :)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 10:26 am:

109,000 deviant images is a HUGE deal.

HOWEVER, what I am saying is that it CANNOT and WILL NOT be part of the evidence that goes to the GJ for the murder of Hailey UNLESS it can be shown that Hailey was exploited in the images.

I am not the one that is minimalizing the importance of the images. And neither is LE.

There is a reason why there have been no arrests and/or indictments for the images. I learned that the GJ reviewed the images, and yet no arrests have been made. I do not know why that is, except to say that I believe that sooner or later, the reason will be revealed.

I am not saying that LE cannot prosecute for the images, I am only saying that the images cannot come up in the indictment or prosecution of the murder of Hailey unless she was found to be on the images.

It's a separate charge altogether and as such, must be indicted, prosecuted, and tried separately unless Hailey was found to be on some of them. And I don't believe she was.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

Dee, I could not pull up the link you posted above. I googled and found an Austin Army of Angels connected with The Red Cross and one connected with The Salvation Army, but none that depicted Billie Jean anywhere on their posts. Can you furnish another possible link that might lead to the one you decribe above?

In any case, it wouldn't surprise me if Billie Jean is involved in yet another move to deceive the gullible public. She is very good at it and there are a lot of stupid/gullible people in this world. Some even post here.

All one has to do is realize the trouble we are in politically and economically in this country and how we got where we are, to know that it took more than 51% of the population voting to get us in this trouble; all stupid people, so stupid that they won't even acknowledge that they are the ones who got us in this trouble. It only stands to reason that there would be many more stupid people believing in Billies' never ending lies and deceit, who also refuse to acknowledge that they were/are wrong.

Another reason I believe Billie will get away with her part in Haileys' death; just like so far she has gotten away with her lying and being treated like she is not even a suspect in Haileys' murder, illegal drugs, numerous images of child porn, defacing her sons' back with an illegal homemade tatoo, conned the CPS in being able to keep custody of her two kids earlier on, and many more instances of her deceit and crimes, including deceiving her hospital employer while continuing to work there. She could have been fined many thousands of dollars for this but wasn't. Go figure.

I also do not believe that Billie was ever molested as a child; just more of her 'oh poor pitiful me' very crafty lies to justify herself. She is a sly hooker by nature, from her early youth and survies by her wits. Billies' no dummy, she knows how stupid some caring charities, fund raisers and missing childrens' teams are, as well as certain LE officials, some psychologists/psychiatrists; and uses it all to her advantage while they all go on believing in her and giving her break after break. And the beat goes on.

Anonymous said...

Wrong Texas Anon! Wrong, wrong, wrong!

Anything and EVERYTHING attributing to a person's character is FAIR GAME IN COURT.

And PORN, whether child or NOT WILL BE BROUGHT UP IN COURT.

Anonymous said...

This is how the Austin branch of Army of Angels responds when questioned about their new leader, POI BJD:

http://www.4shared.com/download/GZqsUA81/billiedunn.jpg?tsid=20130515-154215-dc27d4c6

Anonymous said...

No shmi @11:03, I do not have the link where LE annouced they had found child porn in the 109,000+ images they had in their possession belonging to Shawn & Billie, but it has been posted here and commented on several times. Maybe someone else has it. I don't see the need to retain any links or former posts, since I do not plan to make this my lifes' career. (no pun intended). Sorry.

whatsayu said...

Yep, just like Casey Anthony searching the internet for chloroform, or Cindy whoever it was. All the things they searched via internet were brought up in court.

So yeah, stored images on a thumb drive confiscated by police will become jury knowledge.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11:50, I too believe that Texas Anon is wrong in that the child porn or any of the other prior evidence of Shawn & Billies' illicit activities will be brouight before the grand jury; but I guess it remains to be seen. Eventually. IFF it ever is.

My question; Texas Anon claims that the grand jury DID review the child porn but made no recommendations? I find this very hard to believe! Child porn is VERY dangerous when left unexposed and no one apprehended. This leaves the poor helpless children at the mercy of their captors who are forcing these rapes, video taping and making/distributing this porn! Some of these children are even murdered.

NO, I do not believe the grand jury viewed this child porn and took no action. Can Texas Anon prove it, was she there?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous:

I back my beliefs, and my experience, to the wall. They can only bring up the porn IF they have had a PRIOR conviction of porn OR Hailey was found on some of the 109,000 deviat images. Also be mindful that the term LE used for the images is "deviant images."

I want this case to go to trial as much as anyone else. However, I do know a bit about Texas law. If Hailey had been found on the porn, there would have already been arrests for the porn AND her murder because it could have shown PHYSICAL evidence linking to her BOTH.

As far as my statement re: horse before the cart - it is important to remain mindful that all t's must be crossed and all i's dotted - nothing can be presented out of order or legal sequence; in so doing, it could, and most likely would, spell a mistrial. At the very least, they could get another trial upon appeal. I don't want that to happen. I want arrests, indictments, and convictions and I pray they are air-tight. I don't want any thing to go off half-cocked and BJD and/or SA walk free.

One more thing to remember regarding the statement that anything and everything is fair game in court. Perhaps so, but not always a wise move. Case in point: the Jodi Arias trial. The jury still has yet to learn of many things regarding Jodi that could not be brought up in trial, but can, and wiil, now be introduced during the sentencing phase.



Texas Anon

Keri said...

I don't believe Texas Anon has as much info as she states. This is my opinion. It doesn't even make sense.

When you break the law, get arrested and go to court - YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS ON THE TABLE; everything you've done/said and been involved with. You whole past is dragged up before your very eyes. So, to say the "deviant images" are not relevant is ludicrous!

john said...

SNIPPED.

Child porn found in Billie Dunn's dresser:

That decision was made after Friday’s release that police had confiscated a memory stick from Billie Jean’s master bedroom dresser back in January. The bedroom was shared by her then-boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, who is also the only suspect in Hailey’s disappearance.

The memory stick had over 300 images of pornography, including child porn. Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs said the memory stick contained “320 images and videos of pornographic nature” with images depicting bestiality and child pornography.

Another 108,498 pornographic images, including some depicting “deviant acts”, were also found on a computer seized from Adkins’ mother’s house in Big Spring. Read: Hailey Dunn: Computer with ‘deviant acts’ of child porn, bestiality seized.

The memory stick was found when police were acting on a search warrant to search the Dunn home in Colorado City in January after 13-year-old Hailey Dunn vanished in late December.

http://www.examiner.com/article/child-porn-found-billie-dunn-s-dresser-won-t-attend-human-trafficking-rally

Anonymous said...

Whether Hailey was on those images or not it shows the character of suspects and what their thrills were/are. Just the same as the pictures of SA in scary masks holding knives to Billie's throat, AND the comments he made on the site where he posted those pictures.
I understand LE has to get their ducks in a row to make an air-tight case, however, to say these images will not be brought in to the trial is in sane.

Anonymous said...

Thank you John.

Dee said...

Anon @ 11:39...I found the link on the Waiting on Justice for our girl Hailey Dunn facebook page.

The link I posted is a facebook page. It worked for me, don't know why it's not working. I just tried going to facebook and searching for that page name and it came up empty, hmmm.

I found this which is the home page for the organization. While the organization may be legit and do good work, by the pics it looks like the founder is very much into promoting herself also. It does not include links to local chapters.

http://www.armyofangels.biz/Home_Page.php

http://www.causes.com/ArmyOfAngels

Anonymous said...

There ya go, Texas Anon. What do you say now? Those child porn images were made up by LE and don't exist?

They exist; see John's post.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you, whatsayu. How could it not be brought up in court, IFFF there ever is a hearing.

There are prior histories however, where a defendant or plantiff cannot reveal certian issues against the other party, such as the prior promiscuity in a rape case.

Also, in certain other criminal cases, e.i., I don't believe Ronald Cummings' prior long and lenghty drug felony history was revealed in his latest conviction, when it should have been due to the fact that he got away with every one of them previously; all dealt out by the same judges and prosecutors. So this was ALSO a conspiricy so that these certain judges and prosecutors were kept out of the limelight as being involved in Rons' numerous ten-year drug crimes and other illegal activities he got away with.

In his drug conviction, LE took the easy way out, but they all know he was involved in little Haleigh's murder and disposal, with mama Teresa lying every step of the way; where AGAIN, child porn was likely involved as well, being well concealed.

IMO, they will all take their place in hell for helping to cover this up, and quite possibly being involved in Rons' drug activities, and particularly if child porn was involved and I suspect it was.

Anonymous said...

I have not completed reading all of the above posts; however, I want to respond to Texas Anon by saying that it is absolutely ludricrous for LE to have sat around trying to tie up all their lose ends before arresting Shawn and Billie just so they would have an air tight case against them;

when they ALREADY HAD THE HIGHLY DANGEROUS CHILD PORN IMAGES IN FRONT OF THEIR FACES, TOOK NO ACTION, AND ALLOWED THESE HELPLESS CHILDREN TO CONTINUE TO BE RAPED, SODOMIZED, TIED UP, BEATEN, AND SOMETIMES KILLED AT THE HANDS OF DANGEROUS PEDOPHILES!!!

I'm sorry for yelling it, but you've GOT to be kidding yourself if you do not see the urgency of getting these two off the streets and AWAY for children, when LE already HAS THE CHILD PORN EVIDENCE; but have NO EVIDENCE at that time that Shawn and/or Billie were involved in Hailey's disappearance and subsequent murder and disposal, and APPARENTLY STILL DON'T.

Don't you even get it??! There is nothing more dangerous than pedophelia and child porn yet you continue to speak of it as if it isn't even urgent when it IS! Good Lord woman, these evil sickos KILL little children or abuse them so badly they never fully recover. Got it now?

I guess you don't since now you are telling us that this child porn can't even be used in court against Shawn & Billie? Then pray tell, what the hell was LE saving it for all this time?

Anonymous said...

I'm with you 12:44. Her comments are infuriating and kind of scary!

She has made light of something so very dark.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Dee for posting the updated links. I don't know either, why I couldn't pull up the original link you posted. Could it be because I googled it instead of trying another way to pull it up? If so, what other way should I try?

Anonymous said...

You would need to ask LE those questions. I recognize the urgency and undertand the questions.

However - I didn't make the laws. I am explaining how the law works.

If LE could have used the images, they already would have, and not waited on the off-chance that Hailey's body would be found.

Yes, I get it. I'm not saying I agree with the law, I am only explaining how the law works. If I'd had my way, BJD and SA would have been rounded up shortly after Hailey went missing.

Apparently it's you that don't "get it".

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

posted by Texas Anon:
They can only bring up the porn IF they have had a PRIOR conviction of porn

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? That doesn't even make sense.

So they can't bring up porn unless they've had a prior conviction? Who in the hell makes up this sh%T?

Anonymous said...

posted by Texas Anon:

If LE could have used the images, they already would have

USED those images? What do you mean by "used"?

For knowing "how the law works" your posts are very vague.

The law? The law of what? The law of anything except child porn? It's illegal no matter what state your from Texas Anon.

Anonymous said...

This blog is full of idiots.

Figure it out for yourself. Better yet - get to a law library. Actually E D U C A T E yourselves on the subject of LAW.

I'm done.

Texas Anon

~mj said...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/14/california.child.porn/index.html?iref=allsearch

I think this is a really sore spot for many of us. We want so badly to see an end to the abuse of our future, our dear innocent children.

Having said that, many of us are saying similar things.

We all agree that in a court of law there are facts that are not allowed. We also all agree that a Grand Jury gets to hear more of what may end up in front of a trial jury.

We all agree that this is taking way too long for the general public's ability to cope.

Look over the link, this child porn ring was alerted back in 2005, with the internet being shut down in 2007 or 2009, arrest were being affected in 2010 and they admittedly said their investigation was heading into it's second year.

Sometimes, to bring these monsters to justice for hurting our babies, it takes time. Time I know that these precious babies don't have and that is why it makes us so damn angry.

We can't possibly know why this particular case is taking so long, not yet anyway.

We can speculate that maybe they ARE searching out the children, maybe they are working to bring down "a ring" - or -

Maybe the evidence is weak to nail Billie, and if they prosecuted her before they prosecute for Hailey's murder and she is found not-guilty of child porn charges, then they certainly can't use that in court for Hailey's murder.

Obviously, from what the public knows, the child porn is a stronger case with SA. But maybe LE wants them both, not just one...it is speculation at this point. We have a good lead to direct our thinking due to statement analysis, but at some point we have to back away and wait patiently.

But remember we all do agree how disgusting the idea is that child porn has gone unpunished.

Kerli said...

Mj, agreed. You said it best.

Anonymous said...

It is said of justice "the wheels of justice turn slow." It is also said of law: "the long arm of the law".

We all thought the Casey Anthony case was a slam-dunk. It wasnt.

We all know things about Jodi Arias that the jury does not yet know, nor may not find out until after this trial is over in its entirety because it was inadmissible into court OR the prosecutor thought it wise to wait to bring up until AFTER the conviction.

And there are reasons for this. As lay people, we may never understand the why's and why nots that are/are not admissible into court.

Attacking people on this blog who may have knowlege of law does not change law itself.

Rather than attacking, it would seem efforts better served by reaching out to local law makers, and requesting that laws be changed.

Yes, we are angry. But more than that, we are fearful - fearful that justice may fail the victim, and in so doing, fail US.



Anonymous said...


As stated before, the GJ has not spoken to all witnesses yet, nor have they seen all the evidence.

So as to allow the same GJ to hear all the evidence from start to finish, the DA's office would have waited for a brand new GJ to convene. Which a new one convened a couple of weeks ago.

The LE will not arrest anyone until the GJ makes a decision to indict.

I agree with Texas anon in part, on the issue of the pornography.
They would need to show a past issue and conviction to bring up Pornography, in a case. However if there was child pornography, that changes everything as it would be illegal to possess in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Not necessarily so. In the case of the missing Sumner child in Fl, the possessor of child porn was arrested (I believe), the same day child porn was found on his computer, having been turned in by a former roommate who saw the child porn on his computer earlier on. At that time he was not even a suspect in the childs' disappearance/subsequent murder.

It was AFTER his arrest and the subsequent investigation while being incarcerated and awaiting trial on the child porn charges that he was found to have raped and killed the little Sumner girl in a nearby burned out empty house.

Dee said...

Anonymous said...
Thank you Dee for posting the updated links. I don't know either, why I couldn't pull up the original link you posted. Could it be because I googled it instead of trying another way to pull it up? If so, what other way should I try?

May 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

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Anon...If you copy and paste the link it should work. If it doesn't then google Waiting on Justice for our girl Hailey Dunn Facebook page. I did not have to log in to Facebook to look at their page. Where it says posts by page, posts by others...click the posts by others and you should see it. That's where I found the link, that link should take you to BJD's Austin Army of Angels page.

Dee said...

Well said anon 2:05.

Anonymous said...

It is just plain crazy to make such a ridiculous assertion that LE would need to show a past issue and conviction of child pornography to bring up child porn in a child porn case that is fresh and has never been prosecuted. SO, you're saying then, that it will have to be dropped as if it never happened since there are no prior child porn allegations or convictions?

Jesus. That's akin to asking, which came first the chicken or the egg? Never to be resolved. Or like inferring that since the bank robber never robbed a bank before you can't bring it up that he just robbed this one even though he killed someone in the process. Lord, help us in our stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Not sure who you are commenting on, here is what I said:

I agree with Texas anon in part, on the issue of the pornography.
They would need to show a past issue and conviction to bring up Pornography, in a case. However if there was child pornography, that changes everything as it would be illegal to possess in the first place.


Porn is not against the law, however in cases of convicted sex offenders it can be a violation for these people.

Child Porn is a whole differant animal.

john said...

This is the FB page i visit for daily updates on the Haley Dunn case.

Hailey Dunn Updates & Discussion

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hailey-Dunn-Updates-Discussion/210253018991815

~mj said...

Dee,

I second your commendation of anon @ 2:05. It was indeed, well said.

The pain is so deep for many of us posting on here because of the shear innocence of the victims. I can understand why it conjures up so much anger.

We should understand how intense this subject is and be very sure to read carefully what each person posts before replying. We may unintentionally insult someone for a misunderstanding, or someone speaking in different terms than we may use.

We do have many here from all over the world...simply because these atrocities are happening to our children all over the world, this connects us all.

Lis said...

Good comments here about the child porn issue. I have one question- just because Billie or Shawn have not been charged, does that mean LE is not actively looking for the producers of the porn? How do we know if there is an investigation into that separate from Billie/Shawn?

OT / unrelated:
Re: child porn, authorities are trying to identify this man:
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1305/130514washingtondc.htm#.UZOP0FRwGMU.twitter

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 2:34; we were only ever talking about CHILD PORN, not any other kind of pornography so why bring up any other kind? Apples and oranges really are different, you know?

Anonymous said...

Good question Lis. I'm thinking about contacting the AG's office myself in an effort to find out why Shawn and Billie have not been charged and prosecuted on the child pornography charges, while so many of our helpless children remain at the mercy of these evil pedophile child/rape porn makers and distributors every day of their lives. What a sorry shambles LE is making of this country in allowing the brutal destruction of our childrens' lives.

Anonymous said...

why didnt jodi have entered in as evidence the photo of that guy chasing a naked 4 year old?

unfounded? same as any child porn allegations in this case, without conviction it is unfounded and cannot be used as evidence in a murder trial.

if they did exist, there would have been charges and conviction for them by now.
jmo

Anonymous said...

Lis:

This topic has become very skewed. No, it does not mean that just because LE hss not charged BJD and SA with child porn that they are not actively seeking it's origins. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet they ALREADY know where and how the images orginated.

Many, many times, LE waits to bring charges for various reasons, but one thing that stuck with me is something I heard a detective say years ago: making a deal with the devil to save the angel. I've never forgotten it.

The porn (or deviant images) COULD be LE's ace in the hole. It COULD be that LE is trying to make a deal with SA by telling him they know the origins of the images and if he tells what he knows (and it checks out) about Hailey's death, they will drop the porn charges (or give him a reduced sentence), so that he won't have to stand trial separately for possession or distribution of child porn.

They could ALSO use the images to work a deal with BJD. There are countless ways that the possession of porn can be dealt with, but when there is child porn in connection with a murder, it has been my experience that they will seek to convict for murder first, holding the child porn as an "ace", just in case the perpetrator is freed on the murder charges.

Whatever the reason for the porn not having YET come to light, we do know that images were sent to an FBI lab for examination and investigation. What came of that is, like all else with the Hailey Dunn case, held close to the vest, and rightfully so.



Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 2:27


Yep. That's what is being said. A defense attorney would chew the prosecution up and spit it out IF the prosecution tried to bring up past CHARGES, but no CONVICTIONS.

It COULD result in a mistrial. Any judge that took their job seriously would certainly declare it so.

Let's say for instance: this guy is arrested and tried BECAUSE he was seen near the place of the bank at the time of the robbery, but his presence could not be proven, yet because of his prior CHARGES, he if found guilty of this particular crime. The guy is, however, innocent. He just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and unfortunately, his prior charges was the reason for this conviction.

The person actually guilty of the crime is someone who had no priors, yet robbed a bank and in the proces killed someone.

See the reasoning?

Anonymous said...

If anyone knows the legal particulars of possessing child porn please explain. I would sincerely like to know the specifics. I'm lost.

Telling someone to go to law library is like saying "study language". There are not only dozens of languages, but components within, like speaking, reading and writing. Just as in law: family law, criminal law, now terrorist law, federal law and so on. Within those laws is an abundance of room for interpretation from both defense and prosecution.

I think for most of us on this blog we see child porn as black and white: illegal. This is just plain against, any law, in any state.

Where most of us are baffled, is the fact that it has come from the horses mouth (LE) that there was, in fact, child pornography found on thumb drives and computers that Sean Adkins possessed.

More baffling is why they/or he have not been arrested for it. I can see (though angry) the reason they are waiting to charge them in the death of Hailey in that they need to prove it first, or they have wasted their time convincing a jury. But, the child porn (I hate even typing it makes me sick) is cut and dry; he possessed it, it's illegal, where's the arrest? Just like drugs; you possess, you get caught, you get arrested.

I know one thing we can all agree on - we all want justice for Hailey Dunn. Many have followed from day one and we feel invested in seeking justice for a girl we have all come to love through this terrible tragedy.

We do not want this crime to go unpunished!

Anonymous said...

And past convictions can ONLY come up during the sentencing phase of a trial. Not DURING the trial itself.

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:52 posted: They could ALSO use the images to work a deal with BJD. There are countless ways that the possession of porn can be dealt with, but when there is child porn in connection with a murder, it has been my experience that they will seek to convict for murder first, holding the child porn as an "ace", just in case the perpetrator is freed on the murder charges.

*** You made some really good points Anon. Thank you posting this. It has actually eased my mind and made me a believer that LE just maybe holding it as "Ace Card" so that IF they are not found guilty of murder they/he will be FOUND GUILTY OF SOMETHING!

Well said :)

Anonymous said...

EXACTLY! FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS IT!

Either way, IF they can't indict BJD/SA on murder, they HOPEFULLY can indict on child porn. After all, think about it: Hailey's murder case will be almost purely circimstantial. The child porn, however, can be tracked, tracked, and it's origins determined. The child porn would be a slam-dunk.

No one EVER plays their first cards first. You have to know when to hold em and when to fold em. LE is holding something, just in case it's needed to put these two behind bars for SOMETHING.

I wrote the 3:52 post. It's as frustrating as hell when you're attacked and people don't even know what they are attacking.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

CORRECTION:

The child porn can be traced, tracked, and it's origins determined.

None on ever plays their BEST card first.

Something is amiss. But I don't believe it will play out in a predictable fashion.

Texas Anon

Kerli said...

@ Texas Anon, if only you could have explained it that way originally *smile* you had me confused there for a minute~

I understand what you mean and it does make sense, thanks for the clarification.

Cheers,
Kerli

Anonymous said...

Kerli:

I apologize. I my mind works faster than I can type.

That and constant interruptions while I type are my worst enemies.

You are welcome.

Texas Anon

MaryK said...

I do believe these two are going to get away with murder.

ecossie possie said...

So the momment shawnboy took out his mobile phone why wasnt it seized into evidence.

The very fact he down loaded images in front of them shows guilt

If your questioning someone about reeefer an they bring a big bag of weed out there jeans an throw it away.

Thats suss so you go an retreive the weed an arrest the suspect.

If your talking to a live in boyfeind /last person to see Hailey alive.

And he starts down loading images from his phone an deleteing them/throwing them away!

You either stop him in the act or at least take the phone an have the images restored as .They may be deleted but are still on the phones memory untill its over written...

An cant say they didnt have a warrant .
You dont need a warrant to arrest if you see a guy chuck a bag of weed.

Thats probable cause same with a posable murder suspect chucking away incriminateing photos.

Its cuff him Dano time.


dahbou said...

Anonymous at 11:51,

If BJD is their new leader, it seems as though it would be her answering the question submitted to the page.
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Anonymous said...
This is how the Austin branch of Army of Angels responds when questioned about their new leader, POI BJD:

http://www.4shared.com/download/GZqsUA81/billiedunn.jpg?tsid=20130515-154215-dc27d4c6
May 15, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Peter Hyatt said...

To the anonymous poster who keeps posting the same erroneous information about child pornography and Sheriff Patrick Toombs.

Please call him and he will correct the information.

There were many child pornographic images found in the possessions between Shawn Adkins and Billie Jean Dunn. These images were verified as:

a. Younger than 12 years of age victims
b. Actual imagery; not computer aided design.

I will not allow the deliberate posting of false information.

Peter Hyatt

Anon456 said...

So, Peter. If you know this to be factual - why no arrests?

Anonymous said...

Peter Hyatt said...
To the anonymous poster who keeps posting the same erroneous information about child pornography and Sheriff Patrick Toombs.

Please call him and he will correct the information.

Thank you Peter!

Anonymous said...

KTXS knocked on Billie's door Saturday but no one answered. We also called her cell phone, again no one picked up.

Saturday, Colorado City City Manager Pete Kampfer said no arrests have been made, but that prosecutors are gathering their evidence and plan to eventually take it to a grand jury, "Pending their deliberations and what the prosecutors present and their timing, we'll probably effect an arrest or however that will go at that time. But that's contingent on a grand jury and what prosecutors carry to them." Kampfer did not have a time frame for when prosecutors might present their case to a grand jury.

Anonymous said...

and plan to eventually take it to a grand jury this was from a 2011 report, so what is the definition of eventually?

yep said...

Those of us that live in the surrounding area know after the porn was found on items confiscated by LE, there were multiple porn arrests in the area. Those arrests didn't include Shawn or Billie BUT that doesn't mean other people that were involved didn't get arrested.
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/mar/17/big-spring-man-convicted-abilene-child-pornography/
http://www.bigspringherald.com/content/man-pleads-guilty-child-porn-case
http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2013-03-22/big-spring-man-pleads-child-porn-possession
http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRelease/2011/oct3blair_PSC_sen_pr.html

Anonymous said...

The affidavit notes that some pornographic images were retrieved from the memory stick and cell phone owned by Adkins were made with a Kodak Easy Share camera
On that computer, in a file I have determined contained images downloaded from Shawn Adkins� e-mail account, were other images of adult pornography and an image that appears to be a child pornographic image,
Since we have found pornographic images on every electronic device that we have been able to search to which Shawn Casey Adkins had access and child pornography on two computers to which Shawn Casey Adkins had access, it is more than probable that there are child pornographic images on the computers and any other device capable of storing digital media

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=353726

Anonymous said...

At the time of Hailey's disappearance, SA was questioned by LE and during that questioning, SA deleted images from his cell phone - in the presence of detectives.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

appears to be a child pornographic image,
child pornography on two computers to which Shawn Casey Adkins had access,
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appears?? access??? so what?
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At the time of Hailey's disappearance, SA was questioned by LE and during that questioning, SA deleted images from his cell phone - in the presence of detectives.
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where do you get the idea he deleted photos? read the affidavits again, the cop was looking at the call log, not photos.
seriously, where are you getting this idea?

Anonymous said...

I do not believe they found child pornography. I think they thought there was child pornography but it turned out to be legal adult porn. It makes no since to let people in possession of child pornography remain free for two years with the thought process being... If we don't get them on murder we can always fall back on the child porn for an arrest. If there was child porn they would have been arrested and in prison as we speak.
I also like this quote... "I will not allow the deliberate posting of false information.- Peter Hyatt" You're a clown Hyatt!... oh and for the record, I do believe Shawn is responsible for Hailey's demise.

SKEoD said...

where do you get the idea he deleted photos? read the affidavits again, the cop was looking at the call log, not photos.
seriously, where are you getting this idea?

I also like this quote... "I will not allow the deliberate posting of false information.- Peter Hyatt"
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never mind, i found the source. fuck you peter you piece of shit loser fag

Anonymous said...

No one mentioned what the "cop" was looking at. What the cops did or did not do is not the subject here. What SA did is the focus.

It has been reported not once, but several times, that SA deleted photos from his cell phone in the presence of the "cops".

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

Go screw ur self SKrewd!!! Get out of here if u don't like the truth!!! U dam dirty troll !!! Justice for Hailey Billie and Shawn are going down in flames!!!

Anonymous said...



No one mentioned what the "cop" was looking at.

It has been reported not once, but several times, that SA deleted photos from his cell phone in the presence of the "cops".

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it was mentioned that the cop was looking at the call list, that is on the affidavits.
give me one source of it being "reported" by anyone other than peter that SA deleted photos in the presence of the "cops", who has credibility.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: I don't have to prove anything to anyone. It ain't MY butt that;s in s sling here.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

I'm sure the sheriff appreciates you suggesting that a bunch of cretins call him at work and disturb his day to ask if there is child porn, Peter. Please be more respectful of law enforcements' time. I know you enjoy stirring shit up and pretending to be so in-the-know on criminal cases around the country, but most of those who come here to read about statement analysis know that's not true. Statement analysis is cool enough, you don't have to pretend to be BFFs with law officials investigated complicated, high profile cases. They don't seek your advice and counsel, and you know it as well as I do.

My Take said...

Who searched for Hailey? Shawn Adkins nor his family searched. Billie Jean (Ostrander) Dunn nor her family including her 15 year old son, Hailey’s half-brother, searched. The Dunn family did search. Their efforts however, were short-lived. Meanwhile, the families monetarily benefited from grants and donations. In my opinion, none of these monies were allocated in finding their loved one.

Both parents would relocate far from the only home their child new. Billie Dunn had to be paid to attend her daughter’s vigil.
There was not one, not two, but three organizations, if I am not mistaken, that would funnel funds to supposedly benefit Hailey. Did they?

For two plus years, those, on this continent and the next, who were dedicated in finding Hailey did so using their own personal finances.

May the May 19th Memorial for Hailey Darlene Dunn, regardless whether or not one is able to physically attend, bring a sense of comfort to all who have come to love this child, to all who searched for this child, to all who prayed for this child, to all who cried for this child and, to the man who found this child.

Praying for justice.

Anonymous said...

wrong texas anaon, your but is slung, you are just as much as a piece of shit as most over here that suck peter. ecossie possie is also. i cannot believe that there are so many losers in this world that would believe anything posted on this liars blog. most of you have mental illnesses and are retarded to boot and your meds aren't working for you.

Dee said...

Now if the anon poster at 3:23 had just said we were all a little MHMR, I would swear it was old BJD herself posting. The lack of social graces, the anger and the insults, sexual and otherwise, sound like her.
Sensitive much anon?

Anonymous said...

Dee:

Let the troll rant. This is the only place they get any modicum of attention. And I could use a good laugh today - afte rall, BJD and SA are still walking around free. But not for long.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

Well daid DEE and Texas anon!


Anonymous said...

Said

Anonymous said...


Ok lets just say for the interest of theorizing, that neither BD or SA actually killed Hailey.
Why all the deception and lies? Did one of SA’s buddies kill her and these two fine parents are covering up for them? Did they trade her to a scumbag dope dealer, for money owed for drugs?
Here is a scenario that could be viable: One of these dope dealers take poor Hailey, and tells SA and BD that if they tell, he and his (boys or crew or gang take your pick) will come back and kill all of them.
You see these sound outlandish, more so than the fact BD and SA were responsible for Haileys death.
Gram Ward

cps atty said...

While i hesitate to "feed the trolls" it sounded like some were legitamately interested in the issue. The law on "prior bad acts" evidence and "character propensity" evidence is different in each state. The general rules are in the Federal Rules of Evidence and can be googled.

Generally, "prior bad acts" have to be criminal convictions within a certain time frame and have a certain amount of relevance to the issues at hand. "character propensity" evidence is generally used to rebutt / rehabilitate a witness, and is generally limited to "their reputation for truthfullness in the community."

These are limits on the prosecutor during their case in chief; if the "door is opened" by the defense (by putting a witness on the stand or by bringing up prior acts or addressing the issues in another way) then the prosecutor can come back during rebuttal and address the issues more throughly.

cps atty said...

PS: This is at trial (generally jury trial). I'm not sure what the Grand Jury could hear, they may be able to hear things that wouldn't necessarily be admissible in jury trial.

CPS

~mj said...

Thank you, My Take, for reminding us of the important event that is coming in a matter of days. Thank you for redirecting this back to Hailey. :)

@cps atty, thank you for some professional clarification on what may or may not be admissible.

SKEoD said...

you spelt my name wrong 4:09

Hailey's recent new friends were of the gang banger types. her friend savannah said Hailey had started hanging out with the bad crowd and that is when Hailey started going downhill.
10k drug debt? after 30 days.... they hoped for 3 months.... 6 months seemed too much to hope for. everyday that Hailey wasn't found was a good day.

SKEoD said...

oh and the lies and crap..... just being sensitive to the kidnappers feelings in hopes they wouldn't kill Hailey.

Lemon said...

Thank you Peter.

Anonymous said...

Why weren't cadaver dogs used in the home? I read that one theory is that she was deceased in the residence before being removed. They could have detected the scent of death and at what location in the residence.

Anonymous said...

It really does seem like they would have arrested both on child porn. In many cases, that's when suspects decide to tell their story before the other does. More stress and pressure is present.

Anonymous said...

Their involvement in her death is obvious. It's all about building a solid case that will not fail.