Tuesday, May 14, 2013

The Last Time Hailey Was Seen Alive

Let's take a look at a truthful sentence by its structure.

Look for:

1.  The pronoun "I"

2.  A past tense verb to commit to a past tense event.

3.  Nothing added to this formula that reduces commitment or qualifies it in any way.  By structure, we may conclude a strong, or truthful statement exists, though we continue work context.

Want to see a truthful statement by Billie Dunn, mother of murdered 13 year old, Hailey Dunn?

Enter into the language that was used before an entire nation in January of 2011 and hear what the Grand Jury may hear.

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GRACE: Well, I don`t know what to believe, either, because I`m getting all these different stories about you having a New Year`s Eve party, and you`re high when you go take the polygraph. Let me ask you this. Let`s get back to the facts. When was the last time you absolutely are positive you saw Hailey?

BILLIE DUNN: I saw her Sunday night.

This is a strong sentence and it is, from Dunn, a rare sentence where she uses the pronoun "I", the past tense verb, and no qualifiers.  This is a sentence who's structure suggests truth. 

Dunn did not address the accusations of telling different stories, having a party, and being high for the polygraph.  She only says, likely truthfully, when she saw Hailey.  This was the last time Hailey was likely seen alive.  After this time period, you will not hear her mother say she saw her.  The mother cannot.  She will not use the pronoun "I" and the past tense verb, "saw" together again in plain language in the manner she just used.  Everything in reality changes after this. 

GRACE: What time, 10:00 PM?

BILLIE DUNN: Probably around 10:00.

GRACE: Now, was that when you looked in her room and it is was dark and you thought she was lying in her bed?

Please note that when this statement is viewed in light of all the other statements made to this point, the analyst is confronted with something possibly horrific.  

What is Billie Dunn describing?  Use the standard principles of analysis including body posture, reporting what did not happen, was not thought, and the standard sensitivity principle.

Here we have the critical "cluster of blues" that can solve a case.  Here Billie Dunn is inviting in to see what she saw, with her own eyes:   

BILLIE DUNN:   "I did see her in her room, but I saw her watching TV. 

"did see" instead of "saw"
The word "but" is refuting or minimizing the "did see" that preceded it.  She cannot say it in plain language as she did before.  From the point we noted above, Hailey is no longer Hailey.  The change in reality took place which is why there is a change in language.  

Monday morning, I looked in her room and it was dark and it looked like she was laying in bedBut I didn`t go touch her, make sure that was her. I just peeked in to make sure she was in bed to ease my mind and..."
Not "I looked in her room but it was dark"; instead she is distancing herself from it all.  
According to the SCAN technique, of which all Statement Analysis is based upon:  We give "so, since, to, therefore, because" the color coding blue as the highest level of sensitivity that can be found in a statement of someone reported what happened. 

 It is here that the person has a need to tell us "why" something was done.  This is a need to explain that makes it very sensitive.  Instead of just telling us what she saw, she has a highly sensitive need to explain why she did something, and even more sensitive:

Why she did not do something. 

The blue coloring shows sensitivity.  When it comes together with others, it is the most highly sensitive part of a statement.  


This is often the solving of a case.  A single "blue" is a strong sensitivity indicator but two or more "blues" is called a "cluster of blues" in which the information contained with the cluster is the most critical information of a case.  Just as we highlight "left" in blue, we highlight "because" in any form that seeks to explain why something was done.  

If a question is "what did you do?" and it is answered with an explanation "why", it is critical.  

Here we have three blues in one short statement and come to the most important part of everything she had told us.

We are at the most critical point of what happened to Hailey, as described by her mother.   

Note that she doesn't tell us that Hailey was laying in bed, but rather says it looked like she was laying in bed.   This is how she appeared to her mother.   
Next Billie states what she didn't do, touch her.  That which is reported in the negative is important.  Billie didn't touch what looked like it was sleeping in the bed.  Ask yourself in what circumstance you would touch something to make sure what it was.  Would you touch your child to make sure it was him or her in bed?

Hailey is dead and Billie Dunn cannot bring herself to enter the room and touch her.  She cannot do it.  

She is taking you, the listener, in with her, back to the next morning that, whatever happened the night before, Hailey did not wake up and now is there, as if she was "like" laying in bed but she was not asleep.  
Now note that Billie "peeked in" to make sure she was in bed to ease her mind.  I believe this is true. 

 Why did Billie need to ease her mind?  

Something had happened to Hailey that Billie needed comfort and something to ease her mind.  

There had been drugs the night before, we know that.  She even stopped off, like a dutiful daughter, to ask her own mother if she needed drugs and then used the ATM to empty her account to buy drugs.  This is something Nancy Grace would soon learn, too. 

Hailey did not go to her bed, peacefully, the night before.  If that was the case, there would be no reason to "ease" her mother's mind.  There is nothing to soothe or calm, just a sleeping teenager.   


 What about Hailey being in bed caused Billie's mind to need to be put at ease? 

 This is what it means to let Billie Dunn guide you. 

She said that she needed her mind to be put at ease, even though she claimed to last see Hailey, in her own home, at 10PM the night before, watching TV.   No problem reported. 

In order to have your mind eased, your mind must be at unease. 

Something must happen to put your mind at unease. 

Hailey was watching TV at 10PM the night before.  This was the last statement made by the mother in which she was able to speak truthfully, without sensitivity, about her daughter. 

Between 10PM that night, and 6AM the following morning, something upset the mind of Billie Dunn, in which she needed to have her mind eased.

  Her choice of words are odd if you think nothing happened, but are perfectly fitting if you believe she and Shawn Adkins  killed Hailey, just like in all those serial killer and sexual homicide material that they had been collecting as their "hobby."

Did we listen to Billie Dunn when she spoke?  Did we hear the change in language?


Billie Dunn, on January 5, 2011, told Nancy Grace and the all of us where were listening,  that Hailey was dead.

Why should she be out searching?

Why should she tell the truth on the polygraph?

Why should she be negotiating with a kidnapper?

Why should she be speaking directly to Hailey?

Hailey was dead.  


Billie Dunn told Nancy Grace and her audience that what happened to Hailey "happened while I was at work" setting up an alibi for herself.  This showed her priority:  she needed an alibi. 

Billie Dunn attempted to hide drugs and failed polygraphs, but was tripped up and revealed that she was on drugs and had a need to beat a polygraph, through drugs, but failed.  

Now, Billie Dunn herself, as seen through her own language:

GRACE: And so no one for sure saw Hailey from, like -- that was 6:00 AM in the morning when you left...

Nancy Grace the prosecutor, is locking the mother into her statement and asks if it is so, that no one, with certainty, saw Hailey after 6 AM that morning of which Billie Dunn agreed. 


BILLIE DUNN: Yes

Nancy Grace sets it in concrete, knowing that a liar will change her statement often and will need to be locked in, so she asks again:                              .

GRACE: ... until the boyfriend gets home and he says she`s there at 3:0 o`clock and then she leaves at 3:15. So if you were not correct at 6:00 AM, for all I know, she`s been gone since 5:00 AM in the morning.

BILLIE DUNN: Right.

Not "yes", like above, but "right."  "Right" to agree with the story line lifted from Carlie Bruccia's story, right along with having to choose an hour on the clock:  "3 o'clock."

Right.  

We shall see if Texas justice considers this "right."

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MK said...

OT

Possible girl missing from Glenburn, Maine. According to her mom's post on Facebook, she "met" a guy on Facebook and went to meet up with him.

https://m.facebook.com/?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&_rdr#!/photo.php?fbid=527193573993836&id=100001095933210&set=a.157619707617893.26700.100001095933210&__user=615874340

LisaB said...

The morning (Monday) that Billie Dunn saw "what looked like Hailey" in the bed was not the morning after the ATM visit and drug purchase, as you state. In reviewing the timeline, the drug purchase was the evening of that day (Monday), not the night before (Sunday).

Anonymous said...

BD and SA had read enough crime stories to be aware of cadaver dogs. I can't find if dogs were used in their house or not. If they knew enough to remove Hailey's body Sunday night, before decomp could set in, they would have to explain to David why Hailey had left the house after 10 pm. So they would have to make it look like she was sleeping in her bed in case DD tried to wake her up sometime before they could put their story into affect.
Could that be why BD looked in the room to ease her mind that DD would be fooled and no cadaver dog hits and she was worried that DD might try to touch "Hailey" to wake her up?

Anonymous said...

Above, I was assuming the pillows under the blanket ruse that teenagers use to make parents think they are home when they are out at night.

Anonymous said...

Maybe DD did check and found out it wasn't really Hailey and they had admit her death to him, along with some explanation that made his mom look innocent to him. That would be why he was playing video games and not out searching.

yep said...

LisaB, I agree that statement is inaccurate.
The only thing I've heard about Sunday is Hailey had spent the night at Clint's Saturday night, she walked to the dollar store at some point Sunday where she was seen on video, according to Billie's timeline, she fixed a small Christmas dinner around 2pm, timeline then jumps to David leaving and Hailey playing xbox.
No one has been able to answer why Billie choked Hailey a few days before Christmas or why Billie took Hailey's Christmas presents from under the tree and hid them.

Wreyeter72 said...

OT
Alarming quite from Onil Castro - brother of Ariel. If the reporter quoted him correctly, he says "when we got caught". Very interesting

"I had no idea that, that little girl was his or Amanda's" he said. "I had no clue. That I learned this as the days go by, you know, after we got caught."

Anonymous said...

Peter, I don't get it, how you conclude that it would 'ease Billies' mind' to look in and see her dead daughter lying on her bed. It certainly wouldn't ease my mind to see my dead daughter lying dead on her bed, whether I went in and touched her or not. Please explain this theory.

REK said...

After studying statement analysis for awhile now it is so obvious of billie’s knowledge that it’s gut wrenching. She absolutely knew hailey was “gone” yet continued her charade. As far as david it’s hard to know what he knows. It might be similar to the anthony’s. they didn’t see or hear anything with their own senses (I guess besides smelling the car  )but deep down they highly suspect what happened. Is it really fair to say they absolutely “KNOW”? in these circumstances? They know their family members, they know the probability of their suspicions, but how could they say they know something so awful when they didn’t see or hear it, coming from their perspective. They suspected it but to convince themselves they “know” is probably far fetched considering the trauma of what they are considering.

john said...

http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0113_001_.pdf


Scroll down to page 4,and 5.


I have never seen this before,apologies if it has already been posted.

It reveals a lot about the mind sett of both SA,and BD.

john said...

Item 19 on this pdf caught my attention.

http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0113_001_.pdf

Anonymous said...

Yep,
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/08/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/

Cecilia Garcia said she had never interacted with Dunn’s extended family.

The first time she saw Hailey’s mother was on television, she said. And Hailey never had spent the night at friend’s her house, even though two were close friends.

Mary Beth Garcia, her mother said, had visited the Dunns’ home overnight.

“My daughter, I let her visit her and spend the night,” she said. “And the last time I did, I didn’t like it, because I heard they were walking the street with other kids”

Garcia said she never let her daughter spend the night at the home again.

Later, she said that her daughter told her that Dunn had expressed a desire to move in with her birth father, which Garcia said her daughter indicated led to a family altercation around Christmastime.

Donna Byerley met Hailey her through Byerley’s boyfriend, who had once dated a relative of Billie Jean Dunn. She described the girl’s home life as “volatile at times.”

Byerley characterized the 13-year-old as not getting along with her mother’s boyfriend, and Hailey herself as always wandering “here and there,” coming and going largely “as she pleases.”

But rather than a little girl lost, Byerley painted a picture of a compassionate person, whether it was taking care of a mutual friend of a family pet, a girl who remained “very much an individual,” with an honest style of communication whether talking about school, family or friends.

Anonymous said...

Wreyeter, I read the same quote and live interview made by Onil Castro and he did say those things.

I think we have to consider that these two brothers are falling down drunks who haven't been sober in years, have little grasp of the proper usage of the english language or how to appear sober in the cold gray light of dawn, either publically or literately. They are utterly confused in saying "when we got caught". They mean when they got 'arrested'. They don't mean when they got "caught" as being a party to the kidnapping and abuse allegations; they mean when they got apprehended ("caught"), arrested and accused of being a party to the kidnapping and/or rapes.

The women have been questioned at great length as to any part either of these two brothers might have had in their kidnapping and abuse and they have all stated that neither of them were ever involved. They would have no reason to lie about it.

Based on the womens' statements, we have to conclude that the brothers were not involved, they just don't know the proper words to use to express themselves. Seriously, LE would not have released them had they been "caught", meaning involved. Sometimes we have to accept a situation at face value and let it go at that. Unless some criminal evidence crops up that proves otherwise, IMO, this is one of those times.

REK said...

Thanks for explaining where some of these stories are coming from regarding a fight before christmas. I always appreicate to hear where its coming from. I am also very curious about the veracity that hailey normally slept on the couch every night.

Imamom said...

I believe that Hailey was either injured or drugged that Sunday night. BJD checked on her the following morning to 'ease her mind', possibly not realizing that she was in fact, dead. The 'I didn't touch her' was because she did not want to confirm that Hailey was dead. Just seeing her like she was in the bed was enough to ease her mind. But she knew...in her heart, BJD knew.

mjh said...

Anonymous said...

May 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM


I agree with you. I think Billie and SA made the bed look as though Hailey was in it. Billie peeked in that morning to make sure it was still dark enough and still looked like Hailey was in bed, to ease her mind, in case David happened to look in there. I don't think they would have left Hailey dead in the bed, due to decomp. I think they moved her the night before.

REK said...

What i figure happened is BJ and SA stayed up most of the night concocting what they were going to do. they decided it would be best to wait til the next morning so BD had an alibi and SA had an alibi as well.

BD peeked in to say good by one last time. this is to "ease" what had been going through her mind the night before.

my father passed away a couple months ago and I went to the funeral home to say my last good bye to him. so i can relate to this use of "ease".

can someone confirm to me what the rest of the timeline is? is it that she went to work, while SA quit his job, then later that day they went and bought the pils when SA picked her up, they went to bed early? (probably exhausted from staying up the night before?) the story they give to everyone else is that BJ thinks hailey is sleeping over at friends house. and then the next day is when they report her missing?

Deejay said...

OT
Onil was in the car when bro. was arrested while driving- so in a sense, they were 'caught' together. But it seems an odd choice of words.

He described being at his brother's house, but never going past the kitchen 'where the alcohol was kept.' Falling down drunk explains it. Also they look very old for early fifties. Their anger seems directed that bro. brought shame to the family- rather than about the suffering he caused.

john said...

Hi REK.

Here is the time line,there is to much to post here.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329087

Anonymous said...

I seriously question the timeline because it was given initially by Billie Jean, partly as stated by Shawn, then speaking for David as to when he last saw Hailey. It is all heresay and added lies on Billies' part.

Billie talked about cooking christmas dinner for the four of them and having this relaxing laid back day, then David leaving for a friend's house at around 9:00 p.m., with David saying that Hailey was playing on the xbox. That is all coming from Billie Jean's lying mouth.

What I'd like to know, is when was Hailey last seen by someone ELSE, that is credible and verifiable; anyone else other than Billie, Shawn or David. Was the last time ANYONE ELSE saw Hailey alive on Christmas afternoon when she left Clints' place, or was that the day after christmas, or just WHEN did another living human being last see Hailey? On what day, what date, what time?

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:58
"I think we have to consider that these two brothers are falling down drunks who haven't been sober in years, have little grasp of the proper usage of the english language or how to appear sober in the cold gray light of dawn, either publically or literately. They are utterly confused in saying "when we got caught". They mean when they got 'arrested'. They don't mean when they got "caught" as being a party to the kidnapping and abuse allegations; they mean when they got apprehended ("caught"), arrested and accused of being a party to the kidnapping and/or rapes"

In Statement Analysis you CANNOT interpret.
"when we were caught" as stated by one of the brothers states exactly what he says. We shows unity and cooperation. Is the "we" him and all his brothers, or just the two that got arrested? The police should interview them again and find out what they were "caught" on. If you listen to all their interviews you won't find the words: I didn't know my brother was doing this. They haven't made a reliable denial. Of course it doesn't mean that they are lieing, simiply that to date, they haven't made a reliable denial. How scary to have come across a statement such as that one.

Excruciating Headache said...

I checked in on my daughter to make sure she was okay at about 10 p.m. I knew she was breathing. She snores. :)

My son was at King's Island and driving my car, which he wasn't familiar with.

I waited up for him. I called his friends and his friend's parents since he was a bit later than expected. I stayed up and watched t.v. It was one o'clock and I was absolutely distraught. When he finally called, I was relieved and very angry at the same time. When he finally came in the door, I cried while I scolded him. "Don't ever do that again. I can't live without you. Neither can your Dad nor your sister nor even your horrible cat." (I didn't use correct grammar at the time, but still...)

Kind of dramatic, but that's how a lot of moms feel about their kids. My son probably felt worse than he should have. (Sorry, Kurt)

Too much about my family? Probably. But it etched in my mind an important lesson from Peter Hyatt: Look for the expected. I over-reacted (maybe) to my son being out late and far away from home. Why don't the parents accused of harming their children react similarly?

I now know why. They either know there is no reason to panic or they don't care.

I cannot fathom losing one of my children to a monster. I cannot bear the thought of losing them to a random accident.

That is the appropriate reaction. Anything other than that should be subject to intense investigation.

Love you all, even if you don't love me back. EH

Skeptical said...

O.T.:

It is reported that O.J. Simpson is going to take the stand. His testimony should make for some interesting statement analysis. There have been some amazing sociopathic liars that have been examined through statement analysis and have provided many examples of how people lie - Casey and Cindy Anthony, Jodi Arias, Billie Dunn, Misty Croslin. It will be interesting to see if O.J. is also a world class liar or if his time in prison has dulled his responses.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11:20; then you are saying that it was right, fair and just, merely based on a few words and speculation; for the many who sat right here on this thread and falsely slammed and accused Sierra Lamars' mother of being involved in, or implicated in her death, as well as being highly suspicious of her live-in boyfriend because the mother would not expose him to public ridicule; WHEN NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIERRA LAMAR'S ABDUCTION, DEATH OR DISAPPEARANCE?

If I were Sierra Lamars' mother, I would sue the sox off everyone of you who made those posts and have this thread shut down permanently. Ditto for John Ramsey who has been repeatedly slammed and accused over and over on this site when not a one of you has a single shred of evidence as to his guilt, nor Patsys', or their son Burke; you have highly placed 'speculation' while there is evidence by professionals to the contrary that neither one of the three was involved in Joh Benets' murder and that there was an outside intruder, that you all refuse to consider or accept. Still you all don't stop. Hell yeah, I'd sue you 'til kingdom come if I were John Ramsey, and make you PROVE your allegations.

That is not to say that Peter and statement analysis does not have some merit in many of these cases, as it does when there is also other evidence that points to the suspects guilty direction; but not when you have to find every little tidbit you can to make a person "guilty" when the evidence speaks otherwise.

Wake up and smell the roses, or the coffee or your smelling salts. Whatevah. Not EVERYONE is guilty as sin just based on a few words that some of you think ought to have been said or were not said to suit your tingling uninformed ears.

REK said...

If it is speculation then why does it bother you so? if it is considered an opionion and not a fact, as no one claims it is a fact, then how is this a probelm? I have the opinion that casey anthony is guilty. i can state my opinion without being sued. she wasn't convicted of murder so would this opinion be subject to being sued?

Lis said...

OT
re: Onil Castro

If I understand correctly, the brothers faced some unrelated charges of their own. Could this explain the use of "we"?

I agree that it is a strange phrase for an innocent person to use. "We" aligns him with his brother, they are together in his mind, and "caught" is not the same as "arrested." "Caught" indicates you were doing something wrong and were caught.

Anon at 1:04, nobody is making any accusations, we are simply analyzing the language and attempting to learn from it. Don't read your own accusations into the questions about the language, they are simply questions.

If persons new to statement analysis start posting theories and ideas about what they think happened in any particular case, you should not attribute those comments to the blog author. People can comment whatever. Although I will go out on a limb and say I think John Ramsey is guilty as sin. LOL

Anonymous said...

REK, the Casey Anthony murder trial is an entirely separate issue so don't try to intermingle it with the others I mentioned above, or with the two Castro brothers who were "caught" by LE and then released.

Why does it bother me? It bothers me TREMENDOUSLY to see others being falsely accused. Bear in mind, that I said "falsely" accused.

theWayPA said...

I found it particularly interesting how she says "looks like she was laying in bed." because, "Hailey" was dead and a dead body looks like someone laying in bed but is not the same thing...is it?

Also, when she mentions "touch her." that seems especially poingant since she would be cold to the touch. Interesting how that came into her language.

I remember you talking about all this stuff before, but it's helpful to see it again. Great analysis.

theWayPA said...
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Shelley said...

O.T.:
It is reported that O.J. Simpson is going to take the stand. His testimony should make for some interesting statement analysis.


I still dont think OJ killed them. Hear me out....

I think it was his older son Jason(not Nichole's son, but from prior marriage).

I do however think he called OJ for help. That OJ was at the scene and helped his son cover up as much as they could. She he knew very well what happened.


I saw a show where they were looking more into the case years after the fact.

His son lied about his alibi. Said he was with his girlfriend after he got off work the whole night. She covered for him out of fear of him. She said he only dropped her off and left. If I recall, she was certain of the time becuase they had gotten off work.

And... they only 20 minutes from where the murders occured and he left 30 mins before they occured.

He has also been diagnosed with "rage disorder" and has threatned to kill prior girlfriends.Including holding a knife to the neck of one.

He is violent. And from what I have read, hated Nichole.

I think that would explain OJ lying. To protect his kid. Wrong or not. I think he was in that car driving around out of panic. Thinking, "do I take the fall or turn in my son".

Being that he was violent too, and from all accounts hated Nicole, he may have not felt turning in his son was an option.

Just a theory. Could be that I am wrong.

But I had heard someone mention his older sons rage disorder and after looking more into it, alot of peices seemed to fit.

Norge said...

Alas...It must be rewarding, and what an tremendous undertaking it is, to opine about opinions on the internet. Please, speculate more about how people shouldn't speculate.
I'm not offended at the idea of a comment board. But then again I'm an adult.

Good Day.

Anonymous said...

""In Statement Analysis you CANNOT interpret.""

YES you CAN and YES you DO

And you DO NOT apply statement analysis on people who barely speak English and are are MENTALLY DESTROYED by alcoholism

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:04 said:
“Anon @ 11:20; then you are saying that it was right, fair and just, merely based on a few words and speculation; for the many who sat right here on this thread and falsely slammed and accused Sierra Lamars' mother of being involved in, or implicated in her death, as well as being highly suspicious of her live-in boyfriend because the mother would not expose him to public ridicule; WHEN NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIERRA LAMAR'S ABDUCTION, DEATH OR DISAPPEARANCE?”

The analysis was done on the words of Ariel Castro’s brothers. Remember? Where does Sierra Lamar’s mother come into the picture?

As far as the statements made by Sierra Lamar’s mother, they showed acute sensitivity towards her boyfriend when questioned. That is why her statements were so suspicious. She KNEW that having brought a man to bed her and live with her and her beautiful daughter was not in the best interest of her Sierra. Her language reflected it. This is a prime example of a mother who brings in a man to live with their little kids and doesn’t smell the roses, or the coffee, or the smelling salts you seem to refer to, and continually put their kids in harm’s way or become neglectful of their kids for the sake of keeping a co-k handy.

It appears that you have been lied to so much throughout the course of your life that at this point, it is impossible for you to stop interpreting liars words and analyze what they actually said. That is what makes it so difficult for you to do Statement Analysis. Furthermore, once you become emotionally attached to something (as you are to Sierra Lamar’s mother’s innocence and can’t seem to let go). The fact that someone’s language is sensitive doesn’t mean they are guilty, simply sensitive. It is up to whoever is asking questions to continue making more probing questions until the truth is reached.

You also said this:
Wake up and smell the roses, or the coffee or your smelling salts. Whatevah. Not EVERYONE is guilty as sin just based on a few words that some of you think ought to have been said or were not said to suit your tingling uninformed ears.
Why do you have the need to insult people that do not share your opinion, or provide you with information you cannot comprehend? Who do you think you are? You look like a fool with your ignorant posts that only highlight your need to disparage others. Learn to be respectful. Your mother certainly didn’t teach you to mind your manners. Before you continue insulting others because it makes you feel good, I recommend reading Emily Post’s Etiquette (its available in Hardcover in Amazon for a small price compared to the benefits you will get from it).

You said: Whatevah
Have you tried masturbating lately? That might do wonders for you too.

Anonymous said...

Why are we revisiting all this stuff in the first dang place?

It's like beating a dead horse to keep analyszing the same stupid stuff.

elf said...

I think Billie saying she checked on Hailey was just another part of her story. I think it was more alibi building/portraying herself as a concerned parent. According to Billie she's a wonderful mother (pfft).

elf said...

These articles have a point. Can't you see the progression? Its cumulative.

Anonymous said...

After studying statement analysis for awhile now it is so obvious of billie’s knowledge that it’s gut wrenching. She absolutely knew hailey was “gone” yet continued her charade. As far as david it’s hard to know what he knows. It might be similar to the anthony’s. they didn’t see or hear anything with their own senses (I guess besides smelling the car  )but deep down they highly suspect what happened. Is it really fair to say they absolutely “KNOW”? in these circumstances? They know their family members, they know the probability of their suspicions, but how could they say they know something so awful when they didn’t see or hear it, coming from their perspective. They suspected it but to convince themselves they “know” is probably far fetched considering the trauma of what they are considering.

Teenagers can be and usually are oblivious to their surroundings. DD could have been completely unaware of the entire ordeal. His mom did not search, so he did not search. He is innocent in my mind until he has been proven otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Read the "analysis" on this page, it is entertaining. The author states that BD contacted him, and some of his analysis rings of knowledge.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2013/05/hailey-dunn.html

Wreyeter72 said...

I wasn't aware of other charges onCastro's brothers when i posted above - If Onil had a warrant for something when he and Ariel were pulled over then it makes sense for him to say "we" and "caught" IMO

Wreyeter72 said...

But I also think Ariel Castro's brothers knew something about the kidnappins.

Anonymous said...

At 16 I wouldn't have been able to play games if one of my siblings was unaccounted for. I prefer to think that DD was told that Hailey was angry , had run away or was just incommunicado so he wasn't worried at that time. Like you I think, or at least hope he followed his mother's lead and lies. Or she could have threatened him with "Who will take care of you if I'm not here? Your dead beat dad? Foster home?". Whatever happened he's been abused too in having his sister taken from him.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

""In Statement Analysis you CANNOT interpret.""

YES you CAN and YES you DO

And you DO NOT apply statement analysis on people who barely speak English and are are MENTALLY DESTROYED by alcoholism

May 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM

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Of whom do you speak and how may I participate in her crucifixion? I am SO ready.

ecossie possie said...




GRACE: And so no one for sure saw Hailey from, like -- that was 6:00 AM in the morning when you left...

Nancy Grace the prosecutor, is locking the mother into her statement and asks if it is so, that no one, with certainty, saw Hailey after 6 AM that morning of which Billie Dunn agreed.


BILLIE DUNN: Yes

From the onset then billienotdunnothingkerplunk set the stage an acene one act one.
Her livein bo whom has threantened to kill her her HAILEY Clint in a massacre.
One can tell from her bs 911 calls how familiar an enamouredshe was with violent men.

She tells the dispatcher a dont want him over there takeing his T Shirt?
She narrcasisticly thinks if she comands them to send a patroll car an officer to moniter her house an belongings.

.....I dont want him in there he says he is going to do something and it will be remebered for a long time.

Shes mytholigiseng or attempting to her possable murder at the hands of shawnboydeerinheadilghtsjustlike killing a deer.

An she has absultly revelled in the notority of HAILEYS MURDER.

Even although she wrote the script an directed all the players.
She thinks her over top need to place herself on the periphery of events .Has everyone fooled.

An she is furious that people wouldnt swallow her cods wallop.

So shawnboy is a non reliable person ?
And yet if he is un unrealiable person as to when a LIVE HAILEY...
Was last seen.

His reoports of seeing HAILEY at 3ish of to Martbeths via Clints at qer pastish,

Are not verified an billienotdunnothingkerplunked admits this to millions on TV.

Therfore she herself must also be unreliable.
Nothing she says about HAILEY can be verified either.
Not only that she has ALLIED herself to the person whom last saw HAILEY.
Whos story she admitts is not corroberated..

If you had one iota of not motherly love but human compassion.
Theres no way even the most lowdown lieing skanky junkie drink an drug addled trollop.

Would even think of haveing sex with the MONSTER that MURDERED her child.

An yet billienotdunnothingkerlplunked boasted that she called him a retard .

I WAS CALLLING HIM RETARDED!

You can hanndle the guys but not the gals hu.?

Not only had sex with the only other person of interest.Both failed your lie detceter tests.

Because the tester had the CHEEK OF THE DEVIL .

Yo see throught your LIES an ask the queations you didnt want.
The questions you failed,.

Do YOU KNOW WHERE HAILEY is?

Failed....

Did you harm HAILEY.?

NO

Failed?

So lieing skank does not have sex with her DAUGHTERS MURDER after all.
Because washed out hag skank with PPP.
KILLED HER OWN DAUGHTER?

Anonymous said...

Ecossie Possie:

What planet are you from? Do they teach you how to spell and type there?

Please - do tell

Anonymous said...

ecopossie:

are you high?

Dee said...

Anonymous said...
""In Statement Analysis you CANNOT interpret.""

YES you CAN and YES you DO

And you DO NOT apply statement analysis on people who barely speak English and are are MENTALLY DESTROYED by alcoholism

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Anon...I could use statement analysis on my 3 year old grandsons if I chose to. They speak using pronouns, know the difference between "I" and "We", they know past and future tense and will use it properly. To say that SA can't be used on someone who is "mentally destroyed" by alcoholism is incorrect. The use of pronouns is instinctual and is not destroyed by the use/abuse of alcohol. Alcoholics know the difference between "I did not do xyz" and "we did not do xyz".

People who barely speak English still know the difference between I and We and use it correctly.

In Statement Analysis you don't interpret, you don't assume. The subject is dead, the statement is alive. You listen strictly and literally to what the statement says. Then you can take off your analyst cap and put your investigators cap on (as Kaaryn G so aptly put it) and go over it again, letting in other knowledge you have and begin to interpret what happened.

Anonymous said...

For cryin' out loud, just STOP. Possie raises some very interesting points. Let her be herself.

To anon @ 1:49. YOu are nasty and disgusting. Therefore, nothing else you said even matters.

Anonymous said...

My understanding the last time Hailey was seen by someone other than Billie Shawn or David was on camera at the dollar store on Sunday. I don't remember the time she was seen.
Is there two Ecossie Possie's? One carries an understandable conversation while the other is difficult to read or understand.

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Anonymous said...

Dee, technically you are correct; however, most of these people here CAN and DO interpret. Erroneously in many instances. Therein lies the fallicy.

ecossie possie said...


Teenagers can be and usually are oblivious to their surroundings. DD could have been completely unaware of the entire ordeal. His mom did not search, so he did not search. He is innocent in my mind until he has been proven otherwise.

May 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM


Get REAL
TEENAGERS Are obnoxious in your face ungratefull spitefull unrully ungratefull .
No it all rebellious anti authurty ie Parental Control or ant attempt to do so.
Teenagers have got to be the most unpredictable contrary critters ever known in THE UNIVERSE....

And we have all been one or raised some.
I dont live in a La La Land where TEENAGERS are docile an compliant.
.....TEENAGE IS THE TERRIBLE TWOS on steroids and l.s.d...

Lemon said...

ecossie possie-
Pay no mind to the trolls :)

Anonymous said...

Anon, thank you for your response @ 3:57. I am the anon who asked earlier when was the last time anyone ELSE saw Hailey alive other than the words relayed by Billie, Shawn or David; someone ELSE who would be more credible and verifiable. So you are saying it was on Sunday on camera at the Dollar Store? Would that have been on Christmas day?

Whenever it was, that would be the most credible witness available having proof of Hailey still being alive that day at that time. Anything else Billie related might not be true at all since she has already proved that anything she says is for her own benefit.

Anonymous said...

Geeez, what a nasty thing to say about teenagers, Get Real @ 4:09. I have known many nice and polite teenagers, not at all like you described them. It sounds like you are really bitter against those you have had to deal with, which I can understand your feelings if those were your true experiences with them, but they're not all like that.

john said...

OT..

Tia Sharp Murder: Stuart Hazell Sentenced..

Stuart Hazell, who changed his plea and admitted murdering the 12-year-old schoolgirl, is sentenced to life in prison.

Stuart Hazell has been jailed for a minimum of 38 years after he was given a life sentence for murdering schoolgirl Tia Sharp.

http://news.sky.com/story/1090701/tia-sharp-murder-stuart-hazell-sentenced

john said...

OT.

I dont know if this has already been posted.

Accused of killing lover, did Caryn Kelley murder him?

Caryn Kelley, 48, is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of her boyfriend, 46-year-old Phillip Peatross, at her College Park, Florida home during the early morning hours of July 27, 2011.

According to prosecutors, Kelley has given several different explanations for the shooting, including claiming that she fired the gun in self-defense and alleging that Peatross shot himself.

Authorities responded to a report of a homicide at the Orlando area home on July 27, 2011 following a frantic 911 call placed by Kelley at 4:49 a.m..

Police found Peatross’ body in the bedroom, slumped on the floor between the bed and the night stand, authorities said in court documents.

Investigators added they observed “blood on his face, hair, and clothing,” as well as “blood spatter on the night stand” and a pool of blood on the bed.

Peatross died of a single gunshot wound to the right side of his face. Black powder burns around the entrance wound “were consistent with a close range gunshot,” according to authorities.

Police said the firearm used in the killing, a revolver, was located on the bedroom floor near the victim’s body.

According to a police report, Kelley had blood on both of her hands when officers arrived and appeared to be intoxicated.

Authorities alleged that Kelley provided varying accounts of what happened that fateful night, including offering numerous different explanations during the course of her call to 911.

On the 911 call, Kelley stated the shooting was “self-defense,” then told the dispatcher “it was an accident.” She then said Peatross “put the gun to his head,” according to court documents.

john said...

cont..

Responding officers said they heard Kelley make additional claims after they arrived. At one point, she allegedly stated that she and Peatross argued earlier that night and she warned him not to return to the house unannounced “because she had a firearm and she said she would use it,” according to an arrest affidavit.

Kelley also allegedly told detectives after she was taken into custody that she thought an intruder had broken into the house, she struggled with him in the dark and accidentally shot him not knowing that he was Peatross, the affidavit stated.

“Caryn had changed her story from this incident being a suicide to not being a suicide, to being an accidental shooting when she and Phillip wrestled for the gun, to being an intruder she shot because it was dark and she didn’t know it was Phillip,” authorities alleged in court documents.

When Kelley was being transported to jail following her arrest, police said “her story changed again when she told the media she did not shoot her boyfriend but he had shot himself,” court documents stated.

According to police reports, Kelley allegedly continued to make conflicting statements to investigators about the shooting after she was read her Miranda rights, even though they said they had stopped questioning her when she requested an attorney.

The trial was delayed indefinitely last year when the State appealed a judge’s ruling to throw out some of the statements Kelley made to police after the shooting that the judge found to be improperly obtained.

Kelley’s attorney Diana Tennis argued that some statements Kelley made came before she was read her rights and others were made after she asked police for a lawyer. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the judge ruled that a detective was “evasive” following Kelley’s request for an attorney and delayed letting her make a phone call.

However, prosecutors dropped their appeal of the ruling after Tennis informed the court last August that Kelley no longer wanted to oppose the use of the statements at trial.

"The advantage of not having this trial [delayed] to await the appeal far exceeds for her the advantage of not having the jury hear those statements," Tennis said, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Tennis gave HLN some insight Monday as to what her client’s defense will be when the trial begins next month.

According to Tennis, Kelley says she was asleep alone in her bed when she heard her house alarm beeping. Kelley then pulled out a gun she kept under her bed, not expecting Peatross to be at her home. Soon after, Kelley realized it was Peatross who had entered her bedroom. Kelley’s attorney said Peatross approached her client and grabbed her arm.

“She was scared...The jury will see the bruise,” Tennis said.

“Police believe there was a struggle over the gun. He has gunshot residue on his hands. She immediately called 911. She was hysterical,” Tennis added.

“If you listen to all the statements she made, the story that she tells about what happened matches all of the evidence in the case,” Tennis said.

Kelley was released from jail on a $100,000 bond following her arrest. The conditions of her release required her to remain on GPS monitoring.

Lis said...

OT
For some reason, I always hear a Scottish man's voice when I read Ecossie's comments. :-)

I love the comments, they are difficult to read sometimes, though!

Carry on, Ecossie, we love ya.

Hobnob said...

Hi John, do we know if she had GSR on her hands or clothing?

When a statement changes there is a reason for change, when the statements changes multiple times then the subject has a reason to be changing the statements ( is it changing as a result of evidence being found which disproves their initial story, is it changing as a result of no evidence being found to corroborate the statement, is it changing for another reason?)

Is there a transcript of the 911 call?

Lemon said...

fyi:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/insidelenz/2013/05/14/crime-wire

Lemon said...

Chat is open. Beverages will be served shortly, if Hobs remembers to bring them. Get your orders in early!

Shelley said...

Anonymous said...
Read the "analysis" on this page, it is entertaining. The author states that BD contacted him, and some of his analysis rings of knowledge.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2013/05/hailey-dunn.html




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I just read this astrology theory. Now,I read my horoscope. Its often in line with my life at the time. But is very vague at least in terms of details. But then, I am reading all horscopes for the sign in genral vs my specific details. Time of birth, planets etc.

I know my mom can look at a chart and go off on a tangent seeming to know what is going on in someones lives.

She did mine once, I was having some financial struggles I had not shared with anyone. My mom printed my chart, looked at it and goes "take care of the finances NOW" and that was it. I was with a friend at dinner. Shared with her and she asked if my mom would do the same. I emailed my mom her birthday, exact time and city born. Nothing more. She went off. Told me that she was unhappy in her marriage (which I was sure was wrong) and that it would take a couple years for her to get the nerve up to leave and be honest. But that she would just jump into another mistake.

Needless to say, I forgot, a few years later my friend called our group together to announce her divorce saying she had been unhappy for years but felt guilty.
after being reminded of my moms email, she asked me to do another one. Which I did. This time my mom freaked out on her and told her to stay away from the guy at work. She wrote it in all caps and in red.

I had no idea what this meant. Turned out she had started an affair with a guy at work. He was married as was she still. She ended up pregnant, it destroyed 2 families.

So.. my point, I have to wonder about this theory having had some very crazy expereinces myself with my mom and what she can see from a simple chart.

Like did Shawn and Billie take money in exchage for some sort of sexual encounter with Hailey? Could it be that she was taken to the hotel. The author to me appears to feel Billie is innocent in this but I dont buy that.

But maybe she was supposed to be just a toy for a bit. Was drugged to get her out of the house with out a fight. Maybe after she woke, it ended badly.

Anyways, interesting. Took me awhile to read and a little hard to follow with all the "nodes in the east house" added info, but still interesting.

It would be interesting if Shawn does spill the beans, to see if any of that lines up with this.

Needless to say, I printed it out to see if anythign lines up later.

Dee said...

@Lis... My grandfathers Scottish, that made me lol. You're right!

john said...

I cant find a transcript Hobs..

brosnanfan said...

Were search/cadaver dogs ever used to search BJD's house?

If they were, and if Hailey were dead in that bed, surely they would have picked up on that?

ecossie possie said...

Lis Im male and from Edinburgh.
Sorry my posts are some what erratic.

Bad eyesight an dyslexia makes for typos from mars.

Im 54 ex heroin addict ever heard of a film Erainspotting?

All types take drugs a guy ex university drop out.
Called Irvine walsh was what I liked to call a weekend Junkie.?

He would hang around the shop < a house selling heroin>

An just like anyone else smakheads when there consious talk.
An regale about there exploits.

He was like a sponge an soaked up the atmos and the tales.

Few years later he wrote Acid House an then Trainspotting .
And is an aclaimed Authour of note.

I dont think he so much plaugurised our lifes experiances.
As so much imortalised them..

And as to those whom choose to attempt to mock and deride me have at it.
Water of a ducks arse at least there leaveing someone else alone.

Im super smart I shall ridicule someone because there spelling is atousious .

Big whoop do you also disparage one legged people for there ungainly gait.













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Anonymous said...

For all the regular posters on this blog, I would like to point out a tactic that is being used here. Trolls are posting comments for two reasons, one is to spread disinformation. While the other is the old divide and conquer technique.
They are baiting you into arguments, religious discussions and being nasty, so you will argue with each other. The entire time you argue, you are not getting to the bottom of what happened.
Focus on the Analysis the PH provides for you, and discuss it with each other. If you ignore the name calling, nasty mouthed trolls, they will get tired of it and leave.
JMHO

Dee said...

Lis Im male and from Edinburgh.
Sorry my posts are some what erratic.

Bad eyesight an dyslexia makes for typos from mars.

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Ecossie possie...Lis had it right! A Scottish male. When Lis said that I laughed, because she nailed it. I knew something was familiar in your posts even though I couldn't hear your voice. I don't know if it's the words you use or the cadence you write with but it reminds me of my grandfather. He was from Brechin. Oh how I miss hearing that lovely brogue.

Trainspotting, ex heroin addict. Interesting life you've led.

Anonymous said...

"Get REAL
TEENAGERS Are obnoxious in your face ungratefull spitefull unrully ungratefull .
No it all rebellious anti authurty ie Parental Control or ant attempt to do so.
Teenagers have got to be the most unpredictable contrary critters ever known in THE UNIVERSE....

And we have all been one or raised some.
I dont live in a La La Land where TEENAGERS are docile an compliant.
.....TEENAGE IS THE TERRIBLE TWOS on steroids and l.s.d..." i AGREE!teenagers are dog muck.

My Take said...

Those words “to ease my mind” were indicative something was definitely troubling Billie Dunn in the early morning hours on Monday, December 27, 2010.

We know Hailey was alive and well, at least during the daylight hours, Sunday, December 26, 2010, after having spent the night prior with her father, Clint Dunn. Clint Dunn shared that Hailey had departed for home near the noon hour. His ex-sister-in-law, Cindy Glasco, shared that she and Hailey had texted one another later this same afternoon. She would also share that she had received naked photos texted to her from Shawn Adkins cell phone.

Billie Dunn would not mention these texting events as she read, word for word, from an ever so sketchy timeline. In fact, she never mentions Shawn Adkins, by name, at all. The “four of us” ate dinner at 2 pm. David left to spend the night with a friend at 9 pm. Hailey was playing x-box when David departed. Billie Dunn went to bed at 10 pm. Hailey was in her room watching her television.

I do not recall the mention of conversation or small talk. Not so much as a simple exchange of the word “goodnight” between mother and daughter.

What comes next, after the sleeping hours, are those words. I doubt Billie Dunn awakened from any nightmare. The much shared detail of the alarm clocks is pause to doubt whether, in fact, she slept at all this night.

The public’s emotions were in motion. For Billie Dunn, while claiming to have lost her daughter lacked this same emotion. She criticized those who searched for a deceased Hailey. The “ugly fields” were sensitive. The words she scribed on the balloon that she placed on the bridge in Dunn, Texas read, “I know you are not here”.




Anonymous said...

Anon @ May 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM you are an idiot! You must be SKe or some other dimwit.

I have a teen that is great, and not as you described at all. My Teens friends hang out at my house, and are all great kids. They are respectful and polite and national honor society members.
They are normal teens, who can get self-absorbed from time to time. They are sometimes oblivious to what is happening around them. Just as many adults are as well.

Even with these teens faults, and occasional lapses in judgment they are twice the people you are or will ever be. You are full of hate and distrust.
I am sure you are describing yourself in your teen years, but not everyone is you.

Anonymous said...

My Take

You make some sound points, and I agree with you on the mind at ease comment.

I do not know if BD had anything to do with HD's killing or not. But I know she has lied over and over, changed her story and covered for SA. All make me suspicious of her.
Heck for all we know gram ward killed the little girl.

Unknown said...

Thank you for this blog, Mr. Hyatt. I hope it provides meaningful insight to a wide audience and assists in bringing justice in unresolved cases.

Could you (or any fellow analysts) send or provide a link to the LSI SCAN color coding rules? I've searched quite a bit and happened upon your blog indicating the "so, since, to, therefore, because" and "left" as blue color coding.

I wish I could get them from the source...

Any help would be most appreciated.

Fellow analyst,

Matt

Peter Hyatt said...

Matt,

the color coding is given at the time of the course, whether in person or online.

Peter

Unknown said...

Peter,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I've attended an LSI SCAN training seminar and unfortunately lost the 3 x 5 card with the underlining and color coding instructions. I've contacted LSI SCAN via email requesting a copy and haven't received a reply.

Thank you for pursuing this art.

Matt

Peter Hyatt said...

Blue: so, since, therefore, because (why) and LEFT (leaving)
Orange: communicative language
Recall using purple on the pronoun "we" when it first enters a statement?

Just due to being overwhelmed with too many statements, I find myself simply circling all pronouns, and having my blue pen handy. I find that just the blue, itself, solves most statements for me.

Reach me through FB for more...I'll get the card for you when I am back home.

Peter