Thursday, June 6, 2013

Statement Analysis: Hailey Dunn's Uncle

Hailey's uncle does not deny Billie Dunn's involvement
Can statement analysis be used in 'hillbilly' speak?  That is, can it be used when someone does not speak proper English?

Does Del Ostrander state that his sister, Billie Jean Dunn, was not involved?

Whenever we deal with content, analysis can be done.  If someone speaks with the intent of being understood, we can analyze. 

Del Ostrander, Hailey Dunn's maternal uncle, spoke out from jail, where he's been a regular over the years, just as most of Hailey's family has been, including mother, father, grandmother and so on. 

This is reflective of the life that Hailey had been a part of before her murder. 

Del Ostrander denied involvement in her disappearance but it is well known that once she was reported "missing" by her Person of Interest mother, Ostrander did not search for her, fueling speculation that his sister, Billie Jean Dunn, had told him that Hailey was dead.

Del Ostrander, Hailey Dunn's uncle and Billie Dunn's brother, was arrested for drug possession, but is speaking out about his niece's death.

"I don't have no kind of involvement with my niece missing," said Del. 

In spite of his inappropriate use of the double negative, the pronoun "I" is strong.
What of the fact that he says "niece missing"?  
This is likely in reference to her initial going "missing"; that is, a distancing from the murder itself. 

The present tense "have" is to be considered 'unreliable' yet, as we seek to enter this form of speech, we focus on the word 'missing' instead of being 'murdered' as he seems to focus on her being "missing" rather than being murdered.  There may be, in his internal, subjective personal dictionary, a difference.  Although it is not a reliable denial, why say "missing" rather than "murdered" since he knows that she is far more than "missing"?

Could the present tense language enter his vocabulary as he considers his own sister possibly facing consequences for Hailey's murder?
He has had an alibi:

"The day she went missing, I was in county jail," he said. "I got out of jail that day." 

Note his ability to use past tense verbs with the pronoun "I"; these two sentences are very strong and should be considered reliable:  truthful. 

Note, however, that he speaks of the "day" she went missing and not the night before.  


Regarding being able to stop the murder he spoke, and it is interesting to consider the time line. Remember:  he, like all of us, is choosing his own words: 

"When I seen her on Christmas, she asked me to come spend the night with her," he explained. "I should've spent the night there because she went missing, I think, that next day." 

Christmas is December 25th. 

Note that although he speaks of the day she "went missing" it is the night that draws his sensitivity; an indicator that he may know that what befell Hailey did not happen in the day time, but in the night time, or overnight hours. 

Did this conversation with Hailey take place?  
Please note that "ask" is soft, appropriate for a request.  Note his context uses the pronoun "I" and the past tense "seen" (in spite of the broken English).   There is nothing within the statement to doubt its veracity, even if his time line is off.  It is likely that Hailey did ask him to sleep over. 

Was Hailey feeling fear as her time in this life was short?  Did she sense danger that her uncle could have prevented?

The journalist did not focus upon what he may have known, nor why he did not search, nor about New Year's Eve partying, nor about the strongest points of the case against his sister.  

His intention is to protect his sister and blame Shawn Adkins, but notice the weak commitment to assigning blame only to Adkins: 
"People think they know what happened. I think I know what happened. I think Shawn Adkins kidnapped my niece in the morning sometime and killed her, I guess. But you can't put the blame on somebody until you know what happened," Ostrander said.  

Note that while speaking of "people" he says that they "think" they know what happened.  To "think" one knows is a weak assertion, allowing others to "think" differently, and even oneself to "think" differently. 

"I locked my keys in the car" is strong, but "I think I locked my keys" is weak, but even weaker is to add the word "guess" to the sentence. 

People "think" they know; but for him,
he "thinks" he knows, he "guesses." 

This is to weaken the assertion even more so, and it appears to be in defense of his sister, as he does not want to blame Adkins only, which may cause internal stress of lying via withholding "the whole truth."  

Regarding her: 

"My sister, I've known my sister for 26 years. "My sister ain't that kind of person."

Note the word "sister" is repeated three times, making it sensitive. 
It is used without her name.
Note that he uses the word "that" which is distancing language, which in context is distancing her from involvement. 
Note that he calls her a "person", gender neutral. 

Regarding the polygraph, Billie Dunn said that he failed it, which, in context, sought to prove it was false when she failed it. 

Ostrander told the news that he did not know the result of the polygraph.  

Ostrander may have loved his niece, but it appears that he knew enough to not bother to search for her, and his sister is a topic that is of great sensitivity to him. 

It is likely that he suspects his sister, but perhaps, only to the extent of covering up for Shawn Adkins.

He is not able or he is not willing to deny Billie Jean Dunn's involvement, therefore, we are not permitted to say it for him.  He had the perfect opportunity, and is able to use past tense verbs properly, as seen above, but he does not. This may be why his "sister" is such a sensitive topic to him. 




104 comments:

Anonymous said...

That family is nothing but trash!

Peter Hyatt said...

pop quiz

Name a Hailey relative who has not been arrested?

well?


...waiting....

...zzzzzzzz...............

Anonymous said...

Great post Peter!!! Like always !!! Please Tezas justice come fast!!! Please LE lock them up already!!!

Anonymous said...

Good job facebook, all those comments made him speak out. Keep on pressuring them, someone is bound to crack, they are reading what is said. Justice for Hailey.

Anonymous said...

But you can't put the blame on somebody UNTIL you know what happened," Ostrander said

Until suggests that the plan is to hold off pointing fingers UNTIL LE presents their case. Then let the blaming begin.

Anonymous said...

But you can't PUT the blame on somebody until you know what happened," Ostrander said

"PUT the blame on". Put is an extra word. You can blame someone which can be a belief. If you PUT the blame on them it is more an action.

Anonymous said...

What 13 year old girl asks her uncle to stay overnight?

These people are loons.

Anonymous said...

"What 13 year old girl asks her uncle to stay overnight?"

A 13 year old girl scared shitless of Shawn Adkins you imbecile

Anonymous said...

Name a Hailey relative who has not been arrested?

Billie Jeans' son, David.

Anne said...

What fb page has all the comments poster's are mentioning.

Anonymous said...

Hailey wanted her uncle to stay overnight and he wished he had because maybe nothing would have happened to her. One of her aunts says she called her and said she was afraid to go home (same time). Did Hailey know about something that was going to happen, as in something planned? I am beginning to wonder if something was actually planned out and Hailey knew about it.

Anonymous said...

I wish we knew what the reporter asked him to warrant his response that "My sister ain't that kind of person."

Just waitin' said...

I don't have no kind of involvement with my niece missing," said Del.

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Del can't say Hailey's name?

Just waitin' said...

Did Del ask to speak to a reporter or did the reporter ask to speak to Del? I don't know how that works. If I get arrested can I ask to speak to the media?

Excruciating Headache said...

Maybe he can't say her name because it is too painful. He wants some distance. He feels guilty for not staying with Hailey.

He can only "think" he knows what happened because he didn't witness the crime. If BJ told him anything, she probably lied about some of the details.

Anyway, his language usage is very similar to the usage where I live, overflowing with double negatives and improper verb conjugation. His message is clear. No need to make fun of him.

Anonymous said...

Did Del ask to speak to a reporter or did the reporter ask to speak to Del? I don't know how that works. If I get arrested can I ask to speak to the media?

June 6, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Excruciating Headache said...
Maybe he can't say her name because it is too painful. He wants some distance. He feels guilty for not staying with Hailey.

He can only "think" he knows what happened because he didn't witness the crime. If BJ told him anything, she probably lied about some of the details.

Anyway, his language usage is very similar to the usage where I live, overflowing with double negatives and improper verb conjugation. His message is clear. No need to make fun of him.

June 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM
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Yay! A family member speaks out. The hateful facebookers have soemthing to do today. They hate it when news dries up because they have no one to bash.

Don't you know that this blog EXISTS to make fun of people?

Totally agree. He said what he meant. He may be ignorant and a druggie, but he didn't hurt Hailey.

Just waitin' said...

Hailey wasn't "hurt". Hailey was murdered. Hateful facebookers want Justice for Hailey.

Anonymous said...

How can he spend the night if he is in jail?

Anonymous said...

I agree. I am no fan of BJD or SA, but Del Ostrander didn't hurt Hailey.

There is no point in taking this any further than where it already leads. This story is bad enough without adding to the mix those that had no involvement with Hailey's death.

It is a sad fact of life that far too many kids grow up with parents that are drug addicts, alcoholics, workaholics, sexaholics, etc., etc., etc., but they do not end up dead. Yes, they are neglected and abused - not always by the act of commission, but also omission - and the scars are there for a lifetime. But again, they do not end up missing and/or dead.

As dysfunctional as Del Ostrander and Clint Dunn are, they did not kill Hailey.

Billie Jean Dunn would LOVE to place the blame elsewhere, anywhere else than where the blame actually belongs which is right in her lap. I place the chips of blame squarely where they belong - with BJD and SA.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

"we seek to enter this form of speech"

Can you explain this more in terms of the rules of statement analysis and applying them? i.e. Based on SA, I concluded that the mother arrested in Mexico was guilty of drug possession. She did not offer a reliable deniable per the rules we have discussed here. She is Mexican but like the Arizona couple, Isabella I believe, she nervously laughed over her dilemma. Yet video footage of her getting on the bus freed her. I am the most confused with SA regarding applying it to regional dialect. Thank you.

Just waitin' said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
How can he spend the night if he is in jail?

June 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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Fair question...why tell lies if you are innocent? I'm not saying Del is guilty of killing Hailey but if he has knowledge of the crime he is guilty of withholding information that would allow for justice for Hailey.

Anonymous said...

One more thing:

Peter says:

"In spite of his inappropriate use of the double negative, the pronoun "I" is strong.
What of the fact that he says "niece missing"?
This is likely in reference to her initial going "missing"; that is, a distancing from the murder itself."

If my niece, child, grandchild, or friend ended up the way Hailey did, I'd try my best to distance myself from the pain associated with it too.

Del Ostrander is all the things he is believed to be, and more, and being a drug addict, his life is lived in DENIAL. He cannot bring himself to believe his sister is capable of such an heinous act - especially one directed toward her own child.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

I watched a Dr. Phil show last week and there was a girl who was abused by her biological father snd her mother did not know. She spoke of him taking her to Mexico to allow her to be abused for drugs. He was a very evil man. She spoke of not telling bc she didnt want her mom to know and she didnt want her sisters to get hurt. She even spoke of feeling what she termed love for him. But everyone spoke of how they didnt know bc of how normal she acted. She was a straight A student, a cheerleader, had friends, etc. I kept thinking, just like Hailey. Just like Hailey.

Anonymous said...

She kept it hidden from everyone just like Hailey. I kept thinking if a bio dad could do to his child so could a bio mom. She even spoke of how he groomed her with porn prior to the onset of the sexual abuse. How she was his pay to others for drugs. And I couldnt stop making the connections. Just like Hailey. Just like Hailey. The teachers at Haileys memorial spoke of how much she loved her family. This little girl on Dr. Phil spoke of that too. Its strange to us but still real how a parent can be so abusive and a child can still love them. But its true.

Jen said...

His comment about what he thinks happened, and what 'everyone' thinks happened is a not so subtle way of trying to back BJD's theory. As far as I know 'everyone' thinks SA & BJD are both involved, with BJD being the mastermind (at least of the cover-up). His denial of BJD involvement is very weak..he doesn't even say she didn't do it...just that she isn't that kind of person. What kind? The kind that would offer up her daughter to her younger boyfriend, and then dump her in the wilderness when she ends up dead?

Also interesting that he said the blame can't be 'PUT' on Adkins UNTIL we know what happened. Seems he knows his sister's plan is to PUT the blame on SA when the time comes, which also means he knows the blame belongs to her.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Anonymous, 10:22/10:27 am. it is true. A child will do almost ANYTHING to protect their parents. A child feels that the abuse is THEIR fault - they are bad, they are defective, they are "damaged goods". And most abusive parents will feed into the child's feelings of inadequacy, fear, confusion, love, to perpetuate the abuse.

I believe that the Ostranders and the Dunns are like most highly dysfunctional families - the violence, the incarcerations, the drugs, the criminal activities, the physical and sexual abuse amongst its family members is a cycle perpetuated throughout generations - and while to some degree they might know intellectually that there is somethng terribly wrong, emotionally, it's quite another story. It's just easier to stay in denial, continue the cycle, than it is to muster the strength of get out and away from it.

Texas Anon

PH said...

I would also like to know who initiated the interview. Does he feel he is safe from SA while in jail, and now he can speak out?

Or did the Media seek the interview, and he figured it was a nice break from a jail cell.

PH said...

OK if I read his statements correctly, he was in jail the day she went missing, and got out that day (26th) But he saw her on the
25th, so did he go to jail the night of the 25th? after he was asked to spend the night.....

Anonymous said...

Just waitin' said...
Hailey wasn't "hurt". Hailey was murdered. Hateful facebookers want Justice for Hailey.

June 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM
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I understand that but Dell wasn't involved. Neither was David. Is there anyone ya'll won't attack?

Just waitin' said...

I completely agree that many "facebookers" step over the line with their nasty remarks just to be hurtful. I am not attacking anyone but why do people lie except to hide something? If anyone ( even Del or David ) have knowledge of the crime against Hailey and have not come forward, they are withholding information from LE. Information that would bring Justice for Hailey. I truly think that is what most facebookers want.

Anonymous said...

To say they were not involved with such conviction as you have, says you know what happened.

If you have such knowledge please go to LE and tell them what you know.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of friends and family who know what happened. But they are either afraid of SA and BD or are protecting them.

Anonymous said...

Just waitin' said...
I completely agree that many "facebookers" step over the line with their nasty remarks just to be hurtful. I am not attacking anyone but why do people lie except to hide something? If anyone ( even Del or David ) have knowledge of the crime against Hailey and have not come forward, they are withholding information from LE. Information that would bring Justice for Hailey. I truly think that is what most facebookers want.

June 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM
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IF they know something and they are withholding it, then I agree. But what if they DON'T? Unfortunately, facebook has tried and convicted them both, as well as others. It's out of hand and no reason that we're raising a generation of complete bullies.

Shelley said...

The comment her uncle made... Clearly Hailey was scared.

If she did in fact know something was going down, being that she was tracked by dogs to that hotel... I wonder if she was possibly used as a pawn for money. Sex with her for money?

Possibly was killed in the process?

Just a theory. But her asking her uncle to stay that very night really does seem like she could have been aware of something that was planned.

Anonymous said...

He says that she went missing on the 26th, but all reports by BD is she was missing on the 27th. Sounds like he knows more than he is telling.

BostonLady said...

Anonymous said...

Just waitin' said...
Hailey wasn't "hurt". Hailey was murdered. Hateful facebookers want Justice for Hailey.

June 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM
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I understand that but Dell wasn't involved. Neither was David. Is there anyone ya'll won't attack?

June 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM


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First of all, it is obvious that Del knows something. He failed the first poly according to "his sister" Billie Jean. Why did he fail it? Supposedly he went on to take a couple more and then passed so my guess is he has some guilty knowledge of what went on that night, Sunday the 26th, when he was there. However, he may not have been directly involved.

Why are you complaining about something said on Facebook, here on the blog? You should complain on the site where the attacks (your perception) are taking place.

My biggest question regarding this article is why now is Del speaking out??? He hasn't said one word in 2+ years and now when he is incarcerated on a very big charge, he is talking? Did the news reporter contact him?? Very suspicious.

I do not believe that Del gave a reliable denial of Billie's involvement. He didn't say "My sister did not murder Hailey". Instead he states "she ain't that kind of person"?

Last, Del states he should have stayed over on Christmas when Hailey asked him and maybe he would have been able to prevent what happened. But Hailey didn't go missing on Christmas. There was something that happened on 12/26 in that house. This is the Sunday after Christmas where it was reported that Shawn sent nude photos to Cindy's phone. Cindy asked Hailey about the phone number and Hailey told her it was Shawn's. Cindy supposedly then asked Hailey to have Billie call her. But Billie never did. Billie gave different reasons as to why (well at first she denied any of this took place) Why would Billie not contact Cindy??? Did she already know what Shawn was doing? Cindy stated there were several pics. Billie stated that LE told her about 2 weeks after Hailey went missing that ONE photo was sent. More lies. Was Del there Sunday nite? It's been reported he was. Otherwise, why would LE ask him to take a polygraph???? Del states he was in jail the day Hailey disappeared but then also states he got out that day.

Lots of things don't add up and Del has not helped his sister in this news article. I hope LE is following all of this.

REK said...

"I should've spent the night there because she went missing, I think, that next day"


guilty leaking that, had he been there, she wouldn't have gone missing? he could have protected her?

REK said...

how would him spending the night prevented anything if it had happened the next day? so the night is crucial

Shelley said...

And the 27th is the date that Shawn and Billie began what I believe was the cleanup alibi building.

Starting with Shawn going to work just to clock in and leave. The cell pings near the home 30 mins after he clocked in. Then driving all over town after.

I think he went back to get the body. Either at home... Or... the other theory I have where she may have been at the hotel... To the hotel. It seems that their home and hotel share a cell tower.

So what caused her death I think occured on the night of the 26th. The 27th was just the get rid of the body.

~mj said...

This speaks volumes as to BJD's innocence (or lack there-of)-

This man is point-blank saying that his sister lied.

He let the cat out of the bag that Hailey's demise happened on the 26th. (and that may be his guilty knowledge)

I am losing patience with the lack of movement on this.

This is glaring that it obviously happened a day early than BJD said, which then points clearly to her involvement as that is proof she is a liar. (which we already knew)

But it just seems reminiscence of Casey Anthony not reporting for 31 days that her daughter was missing and she walked!

Then our hearts feel even heavier knowing that Elaina is still missing and that mother isn't being FORCED to tell what happened or at least answer for her actions.

Which automatically reminds us all of poor Sky Metalwala - still missing and yet another mother who gets to sit on her.... well, we know what she's sitting on, but she is also allowed to not speak... for a year and a half!!

I'm heartbroken.

Kyron's step-monster gets to hide behind the 5th, Sky's mom is hiding behind the 5th, Casey walks, the list is dreadfully long.

Something needs to change.

Anonymous said...

Why are you complaining about something said on Facebook, here on the blog? You should complain on the site where the attacks (your perception) are taking place.
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I used to participate on facebook until it become so vile. I no longer post there because if you disagree in the slightest or if you question the single line of thinking (and I believe BD and SA are guilty by the way, and always have), the following pms will be sent to you:

A certain page administrator will ask if you beat your kids
Mindy will call you a cunt
Bea will send you a curse-word ridden threat
Yep, all of that happened. So, no thanks. I do still peruse it for news about Hailey but I'm really not up for that sort of behavior from adults on a discussion page, and I'm too lazy to create a fake page like Donald Dawwg.

On this blog, there is a box that says "Leave your comment." It does not say "Leave your comment unless Boston Lady will disagree with it, in which case you should go elsewhere."

No offense, but you seem to try to tell people to leave a lot.

And I think Del was likely told about all of the discussion suddenly bringing him into the mess that he approached the reporter and wanted to clear his name. Want me to email the reporter and ask? I agree, it wasn't the brightest thing for himt o do, but he doesn't sound like he's all that smart. That said, I tend to agree that he thinks Shawn murdered Hailey and that his sister could be covering it up, but he doesn't want to believe it.

Shelley said...

Peter
Would you mind if you have time analyizing this.

Michael Peterson case about killing his wife Kathleen (the 2nd woman in his life that was found dead at the bottom of the stairs)

Limited speaking on his part and they didnt show the question he was asked or what was said right before this statement. But I played this so I could get the exact words. I think I have a pretty good idea, but still want your analysis to see if I am on the same path.

EXACT WORDS ON DATELINE

I know I’m not quilty
I know I didn’t hurt Kathleen
It’s very difficult for me to accept the fact that I am a prisoner, a convicted murderer its just nonsense


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BostonLady said...

Anonymous at 1:26pm said...

On this blog, there is a box that says "Leave your comment." It does not say "Leave your comment unless Boston Lady will disagree with it, in which case you should go elsewhere."

No offense, but you seem to try to tell people to leave a lot.

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Please show me where I tell people to leave a lot. I didn't even tell you to leave. Are you unable to comprehend what was stated to you? Let me repeat:

Why are you complaining about something said on Facebook, here on the blog? You should complain on the site where the attacks (your perception) are taking place.


Typically we discuss this blog, not facebook. I merely suggested that if you have an issue with what is said on facebook that you post your remarks there. I didn't say to "leave". But it seems you have some chip on your shoulder where your perception is skewed.

Perhaps that is your problem on facebook too.

No offense, of course :)

June 6, 2013 at 2:18 PM
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Anonymous said...

Duly note Hailey called law enforcement on Del Ostrander when she felt his drug production (he grew marijuana and mushrooms) and drug wheeling and dealing posed a serious dangerous threat to her household.

He was arrested and charged and convicted and sentenced to prison as a result of her phone call.

He didn't give a rat's ass about her when she was alive and he didn't give a rat' ass about her when she disappeared and he didn't give a rat's ass about her when her remains were found.

He's the epitome of scumbag and it would not surprise me if he ordered a hit on Hailey and the hitman was Shawn.

Excruciating Headache said...

He's the epitome of scumbag and it would not surprise me if he ordered a hit on Hailey and the hitman was Shawn.

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He may not be a completely upstanding member of the community, but hitman? That's just silly. I used "just". To minimize it. Because I had a nastier word in mind but refrained from using it.

Hailey isn't dead because of a band of redneck mafiosos. She's dead because her mentally damaged mother brought a mentally ill man into her home and let him run wild. That's what I believe. Only time will tell.

REK said...

warning-speculation ahead.
I keep coming back to this idea that hailey was "disrespecting" BJD and SA in some manner. perhaps even trying to tell on SA or getting in trouble for being "promiscuous" I do believe BJD was complicit in what hapened to hailey, possibly even being the aggressor. have you ever heard of parents who punish their children by giving them an "overload" of whatever unfavorable behavior they had? for instance.. a parent finds some cigarettes in their child's backpack..then makes them smoke all the cigarettes one after another to teach them a lesson? makes me wonder if something outrageous happend in this case..BJD "you wanna be promiscuous? I'll show you.." or.. "you wanna accuse SA of doing that to you? wanna know what it really feels like"

didn't billie make some comment about "snitches?" in the past. it just seems like theres this retaliation, and keep hushed up, attitude in their family

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't an uncle know what day his niece went missing? Why is he unclear? Maybe just too many drugs but I'd think it would be etched in his mind.

Bonnie Blue said...

Anonymous said...
How can he spend the night if he is in jail?
June 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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Answer: Del was arrested just after leaving his sister's house (with possession if I remember correctly). Imagine that.

Anonymous said...

So what he meant was I wish I had stayed the night and i would not have gone to jail.

Anonymous said...

http://www.examiner.com/article/confirmed-missing-west-texas-teen-hailey-dunn-found-deceased

"A confidential source asserts to The Examiner, however, that a witness affidavit exists claiming there was a "second person" in the vehicle driven by Adkins on the morning of December 27, 2010; that source indicates the passenger "could have" been Billie Jean Ostrander-Dunn. The source further explained that the temperature outside that morning was approximately 28 degrees; it was noted in the affidavit that the vehicle driven by Adkins -- a 2000 Chevrolet Lumina belonging to Billie Jean Ostrander-Dunn -- was left running in the parking of WSI (Cased-Hole Specialists) the morning Adkins claims he quit his job."

It still hasn't been established who, if anyone was in SA's car that morning. Did he have help hiding Hailey?
Peter is mentioned in the same report.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
That family is nothing but trash!

June 6, 2013 at 6:15 AM

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Hailey was not trash!

Anonymous said...

There is an excellent chance that BOTH Del and David know what happened to Hailey. But true to form for highly dysfunctional people, the Ostrostanders and Dunns enable the perpetrators.

This enabling behavior is so deeply entrenched on both sides of the family, that they don't even see it for what it is - for them, it just IS. It's the way they've lived their lives for as long as they can remember and the way their predecesors lived theirs.

No excuses here - just reasons why even IF Del and/or David know what happened, to come forward with what they know is totally unthinkable to them. It never even crosses their minds to do the right thing. They really don't know what the right thing is.

Texas Anon

Picked a name said...

The uncle could be referencing "Christmas" as the 26th - that's the day the family celebrated, as I recall. Maybe because that was the day Del got out of jail? Anyway, it could explain the date confusion and make his statement consistent with the dates as known.

~mj said...

@ anon 4:24

I am sure the poster was not inferring that Hailey was trash.

@ Picked a name (I love that name btw, very witty :) - That is an interesting point you bring to the table. If he went over there after his release and Hailey asked him to stay THAT night...very telling indeed.

Anonymous said...

Two arrested for delivery of meth

Colorado City Police Officers arrested two males on May 26th after finding drugs and packaging materials in the vehicle that was stopped during a routine traffic stop.
Del Ostrander, 26, and Kevin Ruth, 25, were arrested and charged with manufacturing or delivery of a controlled substance. Both men also had outstanding warrants, one in Mitchell County and one in Scurry County.
While on patrol in the area of the 1200 block of Westpoint Avenue, an officer saw a pickup belonging to an individual with an outstanding warrant. After a brief pursuit of the vehicle, a stop was made in the 300 block of Austin Street.

Both Ostrander and Ruth were arrested and methamphetamines were found during a search of the vehicle, along with materials used to divide and package the controlled substance.
According to the Mitchell County Sheriff’s Office, Ostrander was charged with manufacture/delivery of a controlled substance, a Class 1 Felony; criminal mischief and evading arrest, a Class 3 Felony. Bond amounts were set at $50,000, $7,500 and $1,500.
Ruth was charged with manufacture/delivery of a controlled substance, Class 1 Felony; possession of drug paraphernalia, Class C Misdemeanor; and Theft by Check. Bond amounts were set at $50,000, $500 and $1,500.
Both suspects remain in custody at Mitchell County Jail.

OldPsychNurse said...

Villie Jean is ALSO sensitive topic to Del because Villie is a dangerous psychopath who could kill him without a second thought or any remorse.

Anonymous said...

I don't remember Del being in jail at Christmas. What I do remember is Billie stating he was there on New Years Eve and vinelink showed him being arrested on Dec 31 and out on Jan 1 or 2nd. There was a huge discussion about this back then because how could he be in 2 places at the same time? in jail and at Billies. It was exlained he left Billies before the ball dropped and was arrested before midnight.

Dawn

Anonymous said...

Wait a dope using meth abusing convict, lies?

Nanna Frances said...

Del was not the man Hailey reported for growing mushrooms. It was Clint Dunn's brother.

Chris said...

I check this site for info on Hailey,Ayla,Kyron, Baby Lisa and many more. This site has turned into a gossip no life, people that have nothing better to do than speculate and spread rumors. This was once a very good SA site but the people here now are just a bunch of trash talking,bashing,TRASH!


Justice for Hailey and the rest of these poor children. And nothing bad said against Peter but you have picked up a bunch of no life gossiping losers.

Shoppergalone said...

Chris said...

I check this site for info on Hailey,Ayla,Kyron, Baby Lisa and many more. This site has turned into a gossip no life, people that have nothing better to do than speculate and spread rumors. This was once a very good SA site but the people here now are just a bunch of trash talking,bashing,TRASH!


Justice for Hailey and the rest of these poor children. And nothing bad said against Peter but you have picked up a bunch of no life gossiping losers.

June 6, 2013 at 8:38 PM

______________________


Couldn't disagree with you more if I tried. What a rude thing to say. And if it is such trash, why are you here?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
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Hailey was not trash!

I DID NOT MEAN HAILEY!!!!!!
I MEANT HER MOTHER ETC..

Chris said...

Like I say, I check in once in awhile to see what is happening with these children. Not you! "shopalone" I get it you are a loner that is why you are on this site doing the same thing as my last post. Get a life. I work 10 + hrs a day and have a stay at home Mom and 4 kids 5-13. I check this site out while I am working during program editing. I sometimes have a few minutes during processing. I am a blue collar CNC program set-up Guy that has served in the USAF. So I'm pretty sure you are a liberal. Can you really with respect say that word "liberal". I can see it in your post. So Suck up to Peter. No pun but I have learned alot From Peter so have a nice gossipppppyyyyyy nite! and have fun shopping alone I understand your frustration!


Justice for Hailey!

chris said...

And I'm not talking about everyone on this site. I like the comments from alot of the people that visit this site. And have learned much about SA after visiting this site.

Sella35 said...

@ Peter
ROFL..quote, "pop quiz

Name a Hailey relative who has not been arrested?

well?


...waiting....

...zzzzzzzz..............."

It is sad to laugh at that, but it is the truth! I will say Hailey has not been arrested. Sad thing is it sounds like both her maternal and paternal sides are arrested!



Anonymous said...

YOU EVIL BACK TRACKING LUMP OF SHITE!!!! COWARD TURD!!!

Anonymous said...

Dont start än argument you will LOSE!TURD Face!

Shoppergalone said...

Chris said...

Like I say, I check in once in awhile to see what is happening with these children. Not you! "shopalone" I get it you are a loner that is why you are on this site doing the same thing as my last post. Get a life. I work 10 + hrs a day and have a stay at home Mom and 4 kids 5-13. I check this site out while I am working during program editing. I sometimes have a few minutes during processing. I am a blue collar CNC program set-up Guy that has served in the USAF. So I'm pretty sure you are a liberal. Can you really with respect say that word "liberal". I can see it in your post. So Suck up to Peter. No pun but I have learned alot From Peter so have a nice gossipppppyyyyyy nite! and have fun shopping alone I understand your frustration!


Justice for Hailey!

June 6, 2013 at 10:51 PM


______________________________

If you choose to be insulting to me, that is fine. But please take the time to read my name correctly next time.

I will not respond to you again. I do not feed trolls.

chris is TURD! said...

I slid my finger up my ass and burped @ "shopperalone"!!!

Shoppergalone said...

STFU Chris you PIGS ASS COW!

Anonymous said...

Shoppergalone

dont let the trolls get to you, they are billiedunnit supporters trying to make people not want to post.

Anonymous said...

....But they DO have opinions!offer your anus to them.,,,,while your farting.

Anonymous said...

,,@"shopoergalone".

Anonymous said...

Video has been added so you can see Del Ostrander speaking (body language) and hear him speak with his own words, which could have been cleaned up.

http://bigcountryhomepage.comfulltext?nxd_id=599782

Lis said...

Very good example of analyzing speech that is grammatically poor. The facts still shine through: he can't commit himself to Adkins' guilt or to his sister's innocence.

Anonymous said...

Secretly, Melissa Gooch hopes they never solve the case so she can continue making cheesy "Justice for Hailey" crafts, IMO.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Secretly, Melissa Gooch hopes they never solve the case so she can continue making cheesy "Justice for Hailey" crafts, IMO.

June 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Secretly, Billie Dunnit and Shawn Asskins hopes they never solve the case so they dont get the death penalty!

PH said...

Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!At least Melissa Gooch is doing something productive, she wants justice just like we do. She is just a little high strung.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Secretly, Melissa Gooch hopes they never solve the case so she can continue making cheesy "Justice for Hailey" crafts, IMO.

June 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Secretly, Billie Dunnit and Shawn Asskins hopes they never solve the case so they dont get the death penalty!

June 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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I agree with both statements.

Anonymous said...

I think Shawn Adkins kidnapped my niece in the morning sometime and killed her,

The way I read this, this is his assumption, based on his experience with SA.

I also agree when he says when I seen her christmas.. he was calling the 26th christmas, which is when they celebrated it together.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
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Hailey was not trash!

I DID NOT MEAN HAILEY!!!!!!
I MEANT HER MOTHER ETC..


June 6, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I knew you did not mean sweet Hailey; I was just making it clear that she was the only one who is not trash. Sorry if I sounded accusatory.

Anonymous said...

Hailey visited with her grandparents and uncles on Christmas. The 25th. She spent that night with her father Clint afterward. On the 26th Hailey went home and according to BJD, she cooked a dinner for them all which they ate around 2pm. That day Shawn sent photos of his private parts to Hailey's aunt Cindy on his cell phone. It is also said that that night Del and his friend Eric were at Hailey's home. I think after 2 year's Del knows which day was Christmas and which day his niece went missing and which day she was reported missing. The whole family knows. No excuses for him not knowing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=599782


"My sister, I've known my sister, I've known my sister for 26 years," he said. "My sister ain't that kind of person."

Please help find Ayla
"MY SISTER, I've known MY SISTER, I've known MY SISTER for 26 years," he said. "MY SISTER ain't that kind of person."

4 'MY SISTER'S' shows severe sensitivity.

June 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Sirius black said...

We need new laws holding single parents responsible for who they invite into their homes. Wasn't me, my new man did it. Tough. Your kids are more important than a new man. I think Billie is even more involved than just that. Anything to please the boyfriend. Even her little girl. Trash

loulou said...

After reading Del's comment, I feel certain that Hailey had been sexually abused before that fatal night.. IMO, she wanted/needed someone there that could give her a safe night and asked her uncle to spend the night.

I would bet that BD gave Hailey a TV for her own room for Christmas to get her out of the living room and into a room that could be closed off from easy access by David. Sick and evil.

Arrest them already.

loulou said...

Anon @ 10:58

And then there are the dillusional.

Kind Of said...

@ ecossiepossiewossie, Although I have to agree with the Anons that you are a turd, I agree with what you are saying about Del's use of "kind". Now do a check and balance on your line of thinking by going in reverse. Does it equal?

There is only one way Del would know that he had "no kind" of involvement unless he does know what happened.

You cannot get all the answers on a test wrong unless you know all the right answers.

You cannot purposely fail a polygraph unless you know the truth.

*The tester cannot positively/accurately check your paper unless they know the answers. If the tester grades your paper with the wrong answer sheet, the grade will not be accurate.

**note: Del establishes that he feels he could have prevented what happened to Hailey had he stayed the night as she had asked. Is that the guilt that caused his "leak" that he had "kind of involvement" of Hailey miss

ecossie possie said...

@ Kind off.

Anons were not referring to moi as a TURD .

Anon was either argueing with themselves or another anon.

So you do not agree with them Im a turd cant piggy back that opinion of me

Onto either one or two anons neither referring to MOI

So your opine that I a person you no nowt about.
Or what my circumstaces are
An what my position in society is

A TURD a piece of feices excrement shite poo poo
Is entirely yours an your own fellings

Qwn your feelings express them if nessesery
Explain why you feel a total stranger from Scotland you have not one ioya of DATA INFO ON

Is according to you a piece of shit.

Keep A DIARY/JOURNAL OPEN A BLOG ECOSSIE POSSIE IS A turd.

After all everyone is entitled to there own thoughts.

I personaly neither care not even reflect on what STRANGERS MAY think of me.

The only people whom I care for an are either family an friends an all loved ones.

Those people real people matter to me.
An not some faceless nonetety of the innerwep.

Were trolls lurk not under bridges but behind the anonminty of a pc screen.

So from ONE RICHARD THE THIRD TO ANOTHER HAVE A GREAT LIFE.

ecossie possie said...

An if you refer to moi as a turd as a former drug addict .
And not the clean sober an 28 years without any substance abuse.

A don't drink don't smoke
What do I do/
Subtle indications indicate.
MUST BE SOMETHING DIFFRENT.

Or are you of the opine people are incapable of change?

Anonymous said...

All of them, white trash with tats

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
loulou said...
After reading Del's comment, I feel certain that Hailey had been sexually abused before that fatal night..

BJD premeditated her rape/murder."Everybody got pretty much what they ask for..."
Bjd brought home real life murder stories, she copied Carlie B."s kidnapping details; abduction walking to sleepover. David and Hailey must have felt BJD's evilness. Hailey was a virgin.

ecossie possie said...

RED HEAD MUTANTS GET HIGH.

LICKING TOADS BUTT....

Are you referring by this remark that billlynotdunnothingjerplunked consumes so manty narcotics .

That its possible to still get high from the resisdue left up on her sphincter

I expect your probably correct .

An on the plus side for billynotdunnothingkerplunked it saves her having to purchase toilet roll.

Good Catch would never have ocoured to me to lick someones butt to het high.

Im so glad I gave up drugs years ago.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 8:15 PM,

"Carlie Jane Brucia (March 16, 1992 – February 1, 2004) was sexually battered and murdered by Joseph P. Smith after being kidnapped from a car wash near her home in Sarasota, Florida on February 1, 2004, while returning FROM a sleepover at a friend's house. She was reported missing by her mother, Susan Schorpen, and her stepfather, Steven Kansler, within a HALF HOUR of her abduction." - Wiki

Carlie was walking FROM a sleepover, not to a sleepover.
Carlie's mother knew her daughter was on her way home, and when she did not arrive within the expected time to walk HOME, she was immediately reported as missing.

Hailey Dunn's timeline is very different from Carlie's.

Anonymous said...

ecossie possie
Please explain why you always say
'billynotdunnothingkerplunked it'?

It makes no sense.


Anonymous said...

Well as much as everyone would love Shawn to be with Billie, it is a well known fact that they have nothing to do with each other and absolutely no contact. Why would Clint Dunn's sister make postings that Shawn has been sighted with Billie? This creeps me out tremendously. Is she so desperate for friends to join her that she will boldly lie? I think there are enough facts to draw your own conclusions so why is yet another relative blowing a huge smoke screen? Bunch of whackos who will lie to join the gang

Anonymous said...

they were seen together last week in austin

Anonymous said...

ARREST Pillie Jean JEAN "Only Somebody From West Texas Like Me And Shawn Would Know The Roads And Paths Leading To Hailey's Remains" NotDoneNothing Perplunk

ARREST Shawn "My Facebook Banner Is A Photo Manipulation Of The Site Where I Buried Hailey" Adkins

ecossie possie said...

Anonymous said...
ecossie possie
Please explain why you always say
'billynotdunnothingkerplunked it'?

It makes no sense
@
Makes no SENCE TO YOU PERHAPS

To others it does.

A very astute woman an social commentater on liars refers to word leakage.

From those guily of crimes as like only wanting white marbles= good words.
Words that confirm bolster there misstruths.

Inevitabley they slip out blue marbles = BAD WORDS they slip up un utter truths that shw theyre deseptive.

Forinstance referring to your MISSING DAUGHTER IN THE PAST TENCE.

Now there is a game a childrens game called KERPLUNKED

The object of the game is to remove long thin sticks like straws.
From below a container full of marbles.

You have to figure out wich stick to pull an try not to spill even one single marble.

When one fails at this game sometimes the entire container of MARBLES SPILLS OUT

An oh JOY OH JOY YOU YELL
KERPLUNKED.

As to billie notbunn

She is not billie dunn she is billie ostrander.

As to billienotdun nothing.

Isnt that what she did when her DUAGHTER UPPED AN WENT AN DISSAPEARED INTO THIN AIR.

NOTHING
Didn't search them ugly fields stayed in threw a newyears party got stoned an watched her TV SHOWS .

So ipso facto she did nothing its

Also a double entendre because billienotdunnothing is in favt a triple entandre as she also repeatedly states she had nothing to do with her DAUGHTERS DISSAPEARNCE AN NOW NOTHING.

So personaly I cant fail to see how anyone even remotely familiar with this TRAGIC UNESSESERY BUTCHERING AN SEXULLY MURDERING AN INNOCENT YOUN CHILD

Cant get the conection to billienotdunnothing kerplunked.

Its so obvious that it slaps you in the face .

So there you go anon Ive explained it to you up the yazoo

Will you still be trippin on moi?

Anonymous said...

Annon asked "Why would Clint Dunn's sister make postings that Shawn has been sighted with Billie?" The sister you're referring to,is a huge drama queen. She makes up shit tha sounds like something you would read in a cheesy novel! The incredible thing is, people actually believe her bullshit! She barely knows Clint, they've met twice, in their lives! She's a very sad and hopeless person.

Local anon said...

Local anon back to tell what I know. Long time followers know me. I came to this blog maybe Day 5 of Hailey missing because local news was so poor. At the time I had two very good sources of information- an FBI agent leading the case and the former lead of the Texas Rangers, one of my best friends. About a year ago my friend passed away and my FBI contact transferred. I have little information now. I do have information from an FBI agent who is not assigned to the case, but pays attention. I will tell you what I know. The FBI did over ten DNA tests to confirm the remains were Hailey's . There were over 200 pieces of evidence found at the site. There is no child porn. Stop! Do not agressing me on this. I know Parick Toombs Nd Billie said there was. I believe, as I have stated before, they saw what they thought was child porn. And I will say again and be agressed again, what is legal child porn? If I saw Jon Bennette Ramsey adulted up among 109,000 deviant images I would say I saw child porn. My hope is that is the official story to keep Shawn from running. I read this blog several times a day but am so tired of being agressed on my opinion( possible knowledge) of the child porn and people who live very far away pontificating about this case. So, you may not hear from me again for a while. Peter knows the locals who can give him information. Mine is less detailed and will confirm what Peter can learn. Oh yeah, you can tell it is really me by my IPad auto spell. Very bad. I am watching and listening and only posting when I have information
All due respect, Local anon. By the way, you can tell it is me by auto spell I won' t go back and fix

Colette said...

I agree

Anonymous said...

Don't throw everyone in a pile when there ARE members who are normal people and outside of the spotlight. ;) people that are family and are completely uninvolved with precious Haileys disappearance and who helped look for her. Sometimes you don't know all you think you do.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Don't throw everyone in a pile when there ARE members who are normal people and outside of the spotlight. ;) people that are family and are completely uninvolved with precious Haileys disappearance and who helped look for her. Sometimes you don't know all you think you do.
March 14, 2017 at 6:28 AM


Agreed.

Even those who got in trouble in life still searched for Hailey, loved her and although they may have been incapable of intervening for her, suffered from her murder.

Peter