Monday, September 30, 2013

The Death of Ayla Reynolds Part Two: Child Abuse

It is all but impossible for a man to sexually abuse his own daughter; that is, within Statement Analysis.
In order to sexually abuse her, there is a process in the abuser's mind in which he must change her, and desensitize himself.  As this internal process takes place, we see it in the language.

"My daughter had to learn how to handle sex abuse.  I had to teach the girl a lesson."

She was his "daughter" until the "lesson" was going to be taught to her; hence she became "the girl" in his language.  This sentence was told me by a man who said that he wanted to teach his daughter about the dangers of sexual abuse by showing her what men would do to her.  He showed her.

It is almost impossible for the average reader to accept that someone might do something horrific to a young child, particularly an adorably cute toddler, but it is true that it happens and it happens far more than the public knows.

Having worked in the child abuse field for years, I have seen my share of vicious beatings of toddlers including broken arms, wrenched legs, black eyes, cigarette burns on the infant's feet, torn vaginas and babies who were brain dead; kept alive only long enough for someone in the family to come in and say "goodbye" to the beaten innocent victim, after being shaken into being "quiet."  One young man who refused to speak up to police who were yelling at him, took his fist and pounded it into his other hand, in order to describe the sound he heard, he claimed, as the baby fell down the stairs.  The interesting thing there was that the injuries were consistent with punches from him, and not from the stairs.  He was literally re-enacting what he had done to the child.  With a few months he had a website seeking money for his defense and like most here would have guessed, on his web site he said he was "innocent", "falsely accused", would be "proven not guilty", but failed to write "I didn't do it" on the site.

He eventually pled guilty to beating the child to death.

It was his second beating, as he had moved from another state where they failed to prosecute him in the beating death of a baby there.  He, too, had his internet following generally by those who fail to listen to what the subject actually says, and who cannot believe anyone would do such a thing to a baby.

Physical child abuse is generally not a planned crime; that is, intent to harm is rare.  Shaken Baby takes place when a baby gets on the last nerve of the adult who violently shakes the baby to make the baby stop crying.

It works.

It also dislodges the brain.

When a man sexually abuses his own daughter, he goes through an internal process of 'changing' her from being his "daughter" into being a "girl", that is, gender specific, and this is what we see in the language.  In physical abuse, there is a process of change as well, but it is different.  It generally starts small and light, but can quickly escalate into something out of control.

Such was likely the fate of Ayla Reynolds who died at the hands of her own father, Justin DiPietro, and covered up by her own grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro, and Ayla's paternal aunt, Elisha DiPietro, who, it is reported, were both, along with brother, Lance, raised in violence.

Violence often begins in lower levels; a slap or a kick, and then the abuser will quickly justify his action by claiming "it worked"; that is, it brought the child to a standstill of behavior:  the child stopped doing what it was doing.

In Domestic Violence, women are not often "beaten" by their abuser, so much as they are controlled by the threat of abuse from him.  Women in violent relationships quickly learn how to 'walk on egg shells' and keep the abuser from blowing in anger. The woman learns to alter her behavior in order to keep the abuser in check:  she knows what words to say to pacify him, what bills to hide from him, and can read his face and know when to rush to the kitchen to fetch him a beer before he explodes in rage.  She lives life exhaustively under his control (which also enters the language; see 'personal hygiene' in Statement Analysis), and has little say in what goes on in her life.  It is the ultimate out of control life to live as  she uses all of her talents, wit and wisdom, to keep from being attacked by him.

Children, particularly toddlers, have not acquired this skill.

The initial slap got the response, as even a child can understand that the face is for love, not for pain nor insult and will run off, leaving the bullying father alone, as he desired.

Dr. Larry Ricci of Maine has seen his share of child abuse and is an expert at reading x-rays and unfolding, even from just pictures, how a baby suffered.  His expertise is known outside of his State, and he has testified in countless child abuse cases over the years.

He is able to identify, for example, from an x-ray of a broken arm, whether or not the parent's explanation of the "accident" is credible or not.  He reads bruises, injuries and x-rays even as we read statements of perpetrators, seeking to enter into the statement.  He "enters" into the injuries and into the story and knows how much weight, for example, from how high a distance, will cause a healthy child of a certain age's bone to break.

It takes a great deal of force to break a malleable bone of a toddler.

Dr. Ricci says that when the explosive temper of a male changing a baby's diaper rages when the child is not being cooperative, the wrenching of the legs open often ends in injury to the child; an injury like the one that Trista Reynolds described to the legs of Baby Ayla; likely wrenched by a short tempered male trying to get a wiggling baby to stay still.

The physical abuse of a child starts in low dosages and often quickly escalates as the abuser feels a segment of guilt for the initial striking of the child, which turns to anger, which, if raised in a violent household, is second nature, and not as shocking as it is to others.

The process of desensitization quickly settles in, as both parent and child becomes used to 'rough' handling.

At first it is hidden from the public, but as it becomes more of the 'norm; this is evidenced when you see a parent yank the arm of a child in public, or insult or threaten the child.  If it is 'okay' for the parent to do this in public, you may use your imagination to know what goes on behind closed doors.

Ayla was said to have a black eye.

This was not good.

The excuse we heard was quite revelatory; that is, an insight into the life she lived, and died, in.

Justin DiPietro reportedly stated that "she got into a fight" in a ball pit at Chuck E. Cheese.  People jumped on the fact that there was no ball pit at the Chuck E Cheese restaurant, rather than hear what he said:

"She got into a fight."

Do you know any toddlers that "get into" fights?

They don't.  They're too young.  They might grab and push, but they do not "get into fights" and throw punches.  Yet, it is important to note that in his world, that is, a world of violence within the home, that he thought he could float a lie that only a violent household would accept.

Unexplained bruises and marks are the norm when someone has a fierce temper; one that will not accept his station in life.

Some locals reported to me that both Justin and his brother, Lance, were known bullies in school, never brave one on one, but only in bullying situations.  Another said that Justin could not hold a job due to his temper; he did not like hearing the word "no", nor accepting an entry level position due to the chip on his shoulder.

Was this true?

Instinctively, what did Phoebe DiPietro think about when she heard Ayla was missing?  She said that her first thought was not where Ayla was, or if Ayla had her blankie, medication or pacifying toys.  Her first thought was that of violence and Justin...in fact, Justin and his friends "kicking in doors", rather than concern for Ayla, or even allowing the police to do their job.  This is a lawless family and is consistent with the language used, the behavioral analysis, and what others have reported about the family:  destined to live off the labors of others, and not contribute to society. This inability to take personal responsibility is throughout the family, and is seen even as the grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro, rather than say "the three told the truth", turned the table to blame Trista, even though she is not suspected.  This was transparent on her part, yet indicative of just how she raised her own children.

Violence was the norm for this family and Ayla was not wanted.  She could both be charming with her beautiful blue eyes, yet set him off in anger each time he thought about having to pay child support payments to Trista, who appeared to simultaneously want Justin in her life and not want him. His anger towards Trista could be placed upon Ayla, as she resembled her mother. Each time a payment was due, he would burn.  Each time Ayla acted out, as toddlers do, he burned.

Then there was the broken arm.

Websleuthing went to check the weather in order to learn more about DiPietro's story of falling on the steps due to rain.

It is difficult to break a toddler's arm:  it takes a great deal of force.

The x rays can be compared to the story, including measuring the steps, but it is in the 24 hours that DiPietro waited to bring her in is where the greatest suffering took place.  In every case I was involved in where medical intervention was not sought immediately, it was due to substance abuse and panic.

Is it any coincidence that an unwanted child born to a father who did not want her born,  with a black eye, bruises, injured legs, would be so unlucky to then break her arm?  Did Justin really fall on her, rather than instinctively turning himself to protect the child.

I do not buy it.

Ayla was a battered child, with an increase in escalating and accepted violence,  and it is very likely that the family will eventually make the claim that Ayla died accidentally, by a fall down the stairs, for example, and that they only disposed of the body due to fear that Trista would claim murder.  Trista will likely be blamed, no matter what story they decide to stick to.

Ayla was not wanted from the beginning and was an 18 year financial burden and a walking, talking, needy reminder of Trista to a chronically unemployed man with another child by another woman of whom he had to be financially responsible towards.

Unwanted child...

Financial stress...

Explosive and selfish temper...

Threats of legal action...

Unable to get ahead in this world with the lack of education and opportunities...


all conspired together with something else:

drugs.

Next:  Life Insurance as Motive?

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Emerald Viridis said...

Right on the money, as usual Peter.
Have you seen the picture of Ayla circulating with a huge hand mark(from a slap?) across her whole face?
If it is not photoshopped, then it is very disturbing, as it shows that someone was certainly abusing her, and if the pic is real, LE should be measuring the hand print on it for comparisons...

Anonymous said...

Peter, I absolutely believe Ayla was abused by both Phoebe and Justin. You describe in part 2 how child abuse is almost always not premeditated (which I agree with).

How are you going to fit this theory that Ayla died of unpremeditated child abuse in with life insurance as a motive?

Anonymous said...

Also, how do you fit Justin's telegraphing of Ayla's kidnapping for a month before she was reported missing into this theory that she was killed from unpremeditated child abuse?

john said...

Peter,

You pointed out how difficult it is to break a young child's bones due to the flexibility of not yet fully grown,and set.

If i am correct,there have been cases were young children have crawled of balconies,and out windows etc many floors up, and have come away with no more than a few cuts and bruices due to the flexibility of their young bones..

john said...

Re my above post.

Baby falls 20ft out of second-floor window... and survives without a scratch

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200869/Bouncing-baby-falls-second-storey-window--survives-scratch.html#ixzz2gO4dc4MM

Anonymous said...

John, my guess is that Ayla's arm had to be hit very hard by something in order to break it. I believe the break was actually above the elbow with bruising above the elbow.
It is very odd how Phoebe 1st notices swelling in the hand and wrist area and speaks of "having been more worried about Justin's wrist" and that Just's wrist had been broken in 39 places.
In my opinion, the word wrist itself is sensitive (since Ayla's injury was not to her wrist) and probably contains a clue as to how her arm was broken. Perhaps Phoebe grabbed her by the wrist and then hit her arm very hard with something.

Sus said...

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Peter. Everything points to escalating abuse.

Anon, murder through escalated abuse is premeditated. Hiding evidence and a body shows intent and also is premeditated.

John, agreed. No way did Ayla break her arm in a fall like that. My kids never broke a bone (and they were rough and tumble) until high-school football. Now hits like that will do it. My youngest daughter fell on the ice when she was three. She hit her elbow hard and it was dislocated, not broken.

john said...

Hi Anon 10:56.

This gets more disturbing each time i read up on this case, that i have to take a step back now and again to gather my emotions.

God Bless her.

SALurkerOne said...

I totally agree with you Peter. Although my question is how does the life insurance fit in with the escalating child abuse?

I've always thought it was a case of Justin losing it not so much premeditated. How does life insurance fit?

Anonymous said...

If he passed the polygraph, the grandmother was caught lying on his behalf, and everyone applauds the new girlfriend and her acheivements, is it possible the grandmother could have done away with the baby to save her son from child support, constant interaction with the mother, and his future with someone who would take care of her son as she would?

She wasn't at home that night. Did she take the child somewhere?

Naturally a mother will beleive their child's lies, this one goes too far in accusing the natural parent that lives far away of some conspriacy. You'd think the father would be saying something silly like that to cover his own behind.

Anonymous said...

Sus--how is murder through escalating abuse premeditated?
Peter's whole article emphasizes that it is not. He even gives the example of shaken baby syndrome in which case the parent "snaps" and just wants the baby to be quiet so shakes the baby having lethal consequences. This is not a premeditated action. Peter even says that in his article--that child abuse is rarely premeditated.

Masquerade said...

"Trista will likely be blamed, no matter what story they decide to stick to."

Absolutely. They'll try to rationalize whatever they did, by blaming it on Trista, anyway they possibly can.

Masquerade said...

Anon said - "Perhaps Phoebe grabbed her by the wrist and then hit her arm very hard with something."

I've always wondered if Ayla was grabbed (possibly by the wrist, now that you bring this up), and sort of pulled/yanked and jerked into something, maybe with her arm being bent in an odd fashion, during the pull/yank.

Anonymous said...

My heart hurts for that innocent little child of Gods.
I am emotionally drained after reading this.

We need to be aware of our neighbors and people we see abusing these babies and report them immediately. We have to get involved and do the right thing.

Mindy

Anonymous said...

I have never seen a picture of Ayla with a mark or hand print across her face. Where is this circulating?

kmn

Masquerade said...

I might be misunderstanding abuse, and whether it's premeditated or not. I think it's initially not premeditated. But as it escalates, and the parent/caregiver see's that the abuse has "worked", they must make a decision to continue, and even escalate the abuse.

A snap decision to, for instance, shake a baby, I'd say isn't premeditated, as the person "snapped". I think that continued abuse does end up being premeditated.

A one time instance may not (or it may be) premeditated, but with continued abuse, there is awareness, or premeditation.

Like Peter said, it's RARELY premeditated. Meaning that sometimes it is premeditated.

Anonymous said...

Scroll down to view the photo Emerald Viridis is referring to:

https://www.facebook.com/AylasVoiceTinyFootprints

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Phoebe planned to do away with Ayla for the insurance money, only before she could follow through with her original plan to kill Ayla, Justin beat her to death.

Phoebe appears as cool as a cucumber (until she sees Trista), which makes me think she had planned to kill Ayla all along. She feels zero guilt for what happened, because it's what she had planned on all along. Justin didn't plan to kill her, he did it in a fit of rage. He hadn't had any time to "process" her death like Phoebe had, and that's why he's falling apart at the seams.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Also, how do you fit Justin's telegraphing of Ayla's kidnapping for a month before she was reported missing into this theory that she was killed from unpremeditated child abuse?
September 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I did not say that Ayla died from unpremeditated child abuse.

Child abuse does not start out premeditated. No one wakes up thinking, "today, I am going to shake my baby."

The child abuse grew and grew.

Masquerade said...

I just saw the pic for the 1st time. Thanks to whoever posted the link.

I definitely see something that should not be there. It looks like something physical definitely happened to her. I wasn't able to zoom in, so I can't really fully decide if it looks like an adult hand print.

Emerald, I know you are good with pics. Do you think its an adult hand print?

With Peter's work with child abuse, I'd like to hear his take on it too.

Anonymous said...

It definitely looks like a partial handprint (I suspect the bottom half of the hand and the tops of the fingers didn't connect as hard as the rest). The thumb print is a dead giveaway for me. Someone hit her with their left hand. I wonder if Justin is left handed.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why people think the grandmother killed the baby. She was a lousy mother and grandmother. She probably neglected and abused her own kids or failed to protect them. She is a miserable failure in life and innocent Baby Ayla paid the price. Justin is, however, the killer. Keith Ablow says these killers are several generations in the making. He details several generations of growing dysfunction in the Casey Anthony/Scott Peterson cases, showing how it culminates with the death of the weakest family members like a snowball rolling downhill, gathering girth, and exploding at the bottom when it hits a tree.

john said...

Hi Masquerade.

If you are on a laptop,tilt the screen back till it goes dark.The picture turns into something similar to a negative.The marking shows up a little clearer.

Anonymous said...

Have I been banned? Was I really THAT obnoxious?

Anonymous said...

I am wondering what Dr. Ricci said about Ayla's x-rays.
I also wonder if the doctors who saw Ayla in the ER when she presented with her elbow fracture considered that her injury may have been due to abuse. A child with this type of fracture would typically be in a lot of pain, so one would have to wonder what type of explanation was given as to her delay in care. IMO, a delay in care and a long bone fracture in a child (even though it wasn't a spiral fracture) under the age of 3 would all be red flags to perhaps consider the possibility of abuse.

The ER report did not indicate that abuse was considered as a skeletal survey wasn't done to exclude other fractures nor was a phone call to social services. Or perhaps it was considered and just not documented, as Trista had said she was told that the injury could have been due to abuse (I don't know the exact quote).
It would have been interesting to see how Justin was with Ayla when he took her to the ER--to how he interacted with her, what type of explanation was given, etc. Perhaps clues were there but missed. Poor Ayla, she was failed on so many different levels.

JerseyJane said...

When talking of Shaken Baby Syndrome, it is called a syndrome cuz it can happen over time and escalate. There are nonfatal consequences that are on the inside of the child (not visible on the outside). Like to begin with, the child has vision problems, cognitive problems, problems that can't be picked up around other family members so quickly cuz maybe child is being isolated...

Yes, there are times it is a one time incident to the child but it tends to escalate. Long bones and cervical bones can tend to break cuz of the unnatural rotating and force that is forced upon the lightweight body..

People tend to think it is solely a two handed shake( most common).... Grapping child by wrist and shaking, a child clinging to the bad parent and they are trying to release them and violently shaking child off, parental tug of war with a child, all these incidents can start the beginnings of abuse that escalates.... Child looks fine on outside to abuser, abuse continues..

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Have I been banned? Was I really THAT obnoxious?
September 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I love it!

Well, I think I do...that is, if the Anonymous poster gets the irony of the post...

maybe, I better rethink this one!

Re; grandmother.

I don't believe she is involved other than after-the-fact. She likely has been sold the same "accidental death, down the stairs, we gotta cover it up because of Trista" story that they came up with on their own. This gives them a certain moral strength to stick together and should have been the angle used in the interview process.

But then again...

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Regardless of whether or not one agrees with this post, the commentator lays out some intelligent thoughts to consider...I wish I could answer for others, but without permission, I cannot and will not. Intelligent post:

Anonymous said...
I am wondering what Dr. Ricci said about Ayla's x-rays.
I also wonder if the doctors who saw Ayla in the ER when she presented with her elbow fracture considered that her injury may have been due to abuse. A child with this type of fracture would typically be in a lot of pain, so one would have to wonder what type of explanation was given as to her delay in care. IMO, a delay in care and a long bone fracture in a child (even though it wasn't a spiral fracture) under the age of 3 would all be red flags to perhaps consider the possibility of abuse.

The ER report did not indicate that abuse was considered as a skeletal survey wasn't done to exclude other fractures nor was a phone call to social services. Or perhaps it was considered and just not documented, as Trista had said she was told that the injury could have been due to abuse (I don't know the exact quote).
It would have been interesting to see how Justin was with Ayla when he took her to the ER--to how he interacted with her, what type of explanation was given, etc. Perhaps clues were there but missed. Poor Ayla, she was failed on so many different levels.

September 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Sus said...

In the law's opinion, premeditation occurs when you continue to hit someone. You can give forethought on whether to continue.

Hiding evidence of the murder also shows premeditation. It is done with thought and planning...as the law sees it.

Anonymous said...

Anoymonous

Several generations until a killer emerges is a strage thing to say. Almost every family has a killer in its midst due to war, famine, economic conditions, ignorance of medical care, drinking driving, etc.

During the depression, and even after,people would leave their children in tent cities and purge on to a better life. This is also seen during the hippie culture-their better life didn't include their children.

Death of the weakest family member is the same as "black sheep" of the family?

Bullies have a natural insticnt on which is the weakest, be it in school, the family, work, etc.

Just like people with drug and alcohol problems find each other. Instinct. Almost a natural destruction mode.

This is why these two were paired and the conflict continues. Too bad no one has the moral compass to stop the impending train wreck...but, again, it's natural instinct to lie in wait for the weaker to fall.

JerseyJane said...

To me all forms of abuse are meditated on someone or something that can't defend itself.... The abuser clearly KNOWS going into an act of violence/abuse WHO the victim is.....

I wish this world would stop protecting and giving excuses. NO amount of so-called uncontrollable rage should be more important then the helpless victim.... Or any victim...

Masquerade said...

Lol

Anonymous said...

I think Justin is responsible for Ayla's death but in regards to the hand print pic, I don't think it's from a slap. In the full body shot you can see Ayla releasing a toy from her left hand. It looks like there's something sticky on her palm and fingers, thumb. Her hair also looks as though it is matted down from a sticky substance. The size of Ayla's hand and the print on her face is the same. I think we're looking at Ayla's sticky hand print on her face.

Laurie Bingham https://www.facebook.com/AylaReynoldsLaurieBingham said...

We saw Phoebe in a whole new light on court day.I think we learned more about them just watching that unfold than we have learned in almost 2 years. It was VERY telling. The thing that goes over in my mind is Phoebe screaming at Trista and said "then believe she is alive and tell us where she is". Another thing that just doesn't make sense. This new defense of saying "ask Trista" makes no sense either. How could Trista have her when Ayla's blood is in the house in Waterville? When things don't make sense they usually are not true.

Masquerade said...

Peter, could you analyze Pheobe's words to Trista, when she said:

"Then believe she's alive, and tell us what you did with her".

This has a lot of people baffled, as it doesn't make sense. It appears to be a contradiction in itself.

Masquerade said...

Besides the fact, what does she mean, "did with her"? Phoebe is the one who originally stated that, she didn't think anything happened to Ayla, besides she was taken. Which has never made sense to me anyway, for a grandmother to say, but that is in fact what she said.

Masquerade said...

Where is the full body shot? On the same fb page?

I will say though, that does not look like a sticky substance on her face. From the small(ish) image I was able to see, it looks like a hand/slap mark. It really doesn't look like a sticky substance, from what - a lollipop, popsicle? It doesn't look like that to me. Her hair does look sort of matted, but not with something red and sticky. Just damp, water or sweat?

Anonymous said...

Peter, I think you tried to answer my question while avoiding the true nature of my question.
Yes, child abuse does escalate, however, even more extreme abusive acts are not premeditated (planned ahead of time). I was abused as a child--I speak from experience. And this exactly what you emphasized in the above article--was there a part of your article I missed?
You can dance around the question I asked you, however it is obvious you are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Child abuse alone does not explain the level of premeditation in this crime. YOU are the one who initially pointed out the 1) life insurance policy and 2) telegraphing of future "kidnapping" of Ayla by Justin.
If you want, I'll just forget about these 2 pesky details so the case can be squeezed into whichever shape makes it easiest to "solve".

Anonymous said...

Phoebe's "then believe she is alive" comment--Freudian slip? Meaning, I bet she has told Justin this. My feeling is that she did this crime, and Justin is not sure whether she is alive or dead but is pretty sure she is dead." Phoebe, however, may try to get him to "believe she is alive" at certain times.

Anonymous said...

Sus, actually no this is not true.
And it's not the point. If Ayla's "kidnapping" was planned weeks ahead--this is the premeditation I am talking about.

Anonymous said...

I guess the Orthopedic Dr. failed Ayla as well.
No mention in his report that Ayla's arm injury was the result of abuse or probable abuse. No notations of contacting DHHS.

No documentation of abuse at the ER. Nothing documented on the Orthopedic Dr. report.

What kind of Dr.'s have you in Maine?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Maine has the same kind of doctors as Indiana. Alissa Guernsey's pediatrician saw her multiple times in the last few weeks of her life due to signs of abuse, but failed to file a serious complaint with DCS. The issue? He was friends with her killer's father.

Jen said...

Hi anon 12:40

Keith Ablow wrote about the dynamics that lead to a 'murderer', meaning (as the poster mentioned) a Casey Anthony or a Scott Peterson type. Both were coddled by family members, and never made to accept responsibility for their actions. Eventually these indulgences led to the death of the 'weakest' (most defenseless) person in their midst.

According to Ablow, both Cindy and George Anthony's families of origin were full of intense dysfunction, denial and excuse making enabling, that went on for generations. The lack of accountability finally culminated in Casey Anthony's murder of Caylee...and what do you know...her family schemed and lied and manipulated to help her avoid facing the consequences.

The same dynamic appears to exist within the Dipietro family.

JDip (just the 'highlights') = unemployed, drug abuser/dealer, bully, zero respect for the law, 'missing' baby, life insurance AGAINST baby, blood of baby all over house which should NEVER happen for any reason, assaults women, fails to show up on time for court, arrested for violating terms of release, etc, etc.

Pheobe's response = still sheltering him, supporting him, defending him, lying for him, accusing others of wrongdoing, diverting attention from his actions, etc.etc.

It must take a huge amount of energy to live in such denial. I can only imagine that Cindy and Pheobe are motivated by their desire to avoid recognizing their OWN pitiful failure as parents (and humans)...and so the cycle continues.

GetThem said...

Well done Peter. It was like listening to the prosecutor in a trial. A good prosecutor anyway and apparently they don't exist in Maine. They're too busy justifying reasons not to go to trial for Ayla. What a shame.

Anonymous said...

The life insurance supports premeditation. It's not that complicated anon. I'm sorry you were abused, but arguing for the sake of arguing... sort of makes you look desperate for attention.

Sus said...

"Then believe she's alive..." is telling.

"Then" is used as a form of persuasion here...this is what you need to do to have what you want.

"believe"
Trust what I say. Go along with the truth as I state it.

"...she's alive.."
Phoebe doesn't say Ayla is alive, simply that Trista should go along with it.

Phoebe doesn't like Trista having a mind of her own. She plans to tell her what the "truth" is.

"and tell us what you did with her."

This is to bolster the first phrase...go along with what I say.
Phoebe knows Trista cannot "tell" her, thus cannot disprove Ayla is alive.
Phoebe introduces "us" showing she is firmly aligned with Justin and family in their story.
"With" separates "you" and "her." Phoebe sees Trista and Ayla as separated. She knows Trista does not have Ayla.

Anonymous said...

the red mark on Ayla's face appears to be to vertical to be caused by a slap.
if a taller person hit her i think the red marks would be more horizontal.

Anonymous said...

Anon@ 1:53--That is exactly what I am saying--that the life insurance policy supports premeditation. Peter's argument that escalating abuse alone caused Ayla's death ignores this fact.
I have a valid point--this is not arguing for the sake of arguing but I appreciate your half-witted attempt at psychoanalysis.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with the post. Great read and very knowledgeable. However, very condemning at this point and time.

The mother (though she hurts at the loss of her child)... why was she so willing to turn the child over to him though he never heard about the baby until 7 months after the birth. He really wasn't a "father" but more or less a babysitter while she was in rehab it seems.

Why did her family not step in? Why not a friend?

It's clear from the photos this was a happy child when with the mother. She was probably a good mother though she had problems.

It's like sticking the child in a pressure cooker and turning up the heat a little at a time. It just seems almost unbeleivable in this day and age that people haven't learned contraception,given some training prior to leaving the hospital with a baby, enlist in some sort of training to break the cycle of abuse that her child suffered.

Instead, people look down on these people.

I read that someone is trying to tell CA what to do with Caylee's toys. To me, these people are more dangerous than CA! Jeesh!

Sus said...

Peter, I tried to post something earlier., but it wouldn't publish. Is it in the Spam filter?

Well, if not...I wanted to say I agree wholeheartedly with this post. I can't wait to see your third post on drugs and life insurance. I believe they wwere the driving force in Ayla's death...along with Justin and Phoebe's NPD.

ME said...

I can see différent opinions here,understand them,BUT cant grasp the"petty arguing"some eject.

Anonymous said...

This was definitely premeditated, but maybe only on a subconscious level. That would explain the messy death and hasty cleanup. Killers like Justin are self-destructive. Subconsciously, they want to be exposed as the monsters they are. Lots of projection. Killing Ayla was easy for a man who has been psychologically dead himself since childhood.

Trigger said...

This post is right on, Peter.

This family's behavior is a textbook example of escalating child abuse in the life of a toddler that culminated in death.

Justin and his mother Phoebe were the primary abusers of Ayla Reynolds.

"Trista will likely be blamed no matter what...etc."

This is happening currently and I don't expect that aspect to change, not without some mandated therapy or counseling.

Phoebe is one sick puppy.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 2:05--Ayla's family did step in (Trista's family)--this was a custody grab orchestrated by Phoebe.
This is how all cases get solved here--low income, abuse, drugs =we know who did it and why. Cases that present challenges just get squished into tge shape that will fit. It hard for these people to imagine there could be evil even greater than low income abusers. Every motive will be fit into this formula. The idea that someone could be sadistically evil gets ignored. This is why the element of premeditation snd Phoebe's obvious involvement are being ignored here. Rather, let's stick w the formula--unemployed, loser= he did it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Jen for explaining Ablow's theory so much better than I did. I agree that Pheobe isn't protecting Justin as much as she's protecting herself- narcissist through and through.

Anonymous said...

if you planned on killing a baby, you wouldn't give a crap about abusiveness, as long as she stayed alive long enough to pull off the overall plan. so was it really neglect or abuse that lead to her demise, or was it just a slow murder?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 2:22--Right, but it doesn't really matter what makes sense here does it?

Masquerade said...

Sus, thanks for the analysis. I'm still so confused on that small sentence though.

There was shouting back and forth. Trista kept asking where Ayla is. Ron shouted to Phoebe that, her son murdered his granddaughter. This is what was said, towards the end:

PD - I'm her grandmother!

TR - I'm her mother!

PD - Yes, then believe she's alive, and tell is what you did with her!

It's like she's telling her, BECAUSE she's Ayla's mother, she should believe Ayla is alive. Then in the same breath, accusing her of doing something with Ayla. I just don't get it. Why would Trista need to be told to believe Ayla is alive, if she did something with her?

It's of course, a childish, last resort attempt, to pass the blame to someone else (Trista), but it doesn't make sense.

Maybe it's not supposed to? It probably doesn't even make sense in Phoebe's head, maybe?

Who does she really want to "believe"? Herself, the public, LE? It can't be Trista, because according to her, Trista already knows where Ayla is, as she should tell what she did with her.

Anonymous said...

What was the point of begining with references to sexual abuse? Peter didn't assert that Justin sexually abused Ayla, so why did he start off with that information? It seemed like he just went off on a tangent and then remembered what he'd intended to write about.

Anonymous said...

Elisha said to Trista in the police station on Day 1 "Where is Ayla".
However, Phoebe was blaming the "someone who had been watching the house, casing the house and watching the family's activities". The same "someone" I am assuming that Phoebe had attempted to protect her house from by having people keep watch over the house and had a gun also to protect the house from this someone."
Now Phoebe is getting desperate. Her "clever" plan that a mysterious kidnapper had taken Ayla wasnt believed by LE or the public, so now Trista is the scapegoat.

Anonymous said...

@anon 2:16

So, they were trying to get custody? Then they'd have to pay for most everything if the mother had a drug problem. Not good if he were unemployed at the time.

There is, surely, some assistance the mother could have sought. The same for the father I'd think in that state with one of the lowest rates of problems.

Insurance may have been a motivator. I just read where a guy killed his new bride to collect some. It was unreal! He was young, too. However, I don't think it is unusual that he would have bought it since that is what an insurance person does-sells insurance. Being he was his friend, he'd be more likly to be persuaded.

The attack dogs need to back off. If his mother covers for him it will only get worse. Given to his own devices, that should be enough to catch him.

Anonymous said...

@Masqurade

Lol! Right on!

Jen said...

Hi Anon 1:18

There is still a part 3 to come dealing with the motive. I can't speak for Peter but my opinion about the premeditation and escalation of abuse is as follows.

JDip realized that Trista going to rehab gave him the upperhand. With the help of his mom, he made the custody grab in order to avoid paying child support, and propably in hopes that Trista would be forced to pay him for Ayla's care. The only problem being that he then had to care for Ayla. His Neanderthal 'parenting techniques", which amounted to 'baby bad, me hit' began, and quickly escalated in severity to broken bones and black eyes.

Ayla was scared, confused, and unable to satisfy her tormentor, which gets her labeled as the 'problem', within the family...leading to more anger and abuse. Once the idea of a life insurance policy is introduced the wheels start turning. JDip sees it as a way to get rid of the child, eliminate future child support payments AND get a windfall of cash. The policy was purchased and Justin set the scene, mentioning that he fears Ayla being taken.

He may not have 'premeditated' the crime in the sense that he set a date, time, etc. But that life insurance policy was in the back of his mind everytime he interacted with Ayla from that point foward. The abuse escalating all the while, the LI policy driving him to show even less mercy each time. Then Trista makes her move to get custody back, and his anger rages against Trista (and in turn Ayla), he is on the verge of 18yrs of child support, and having his ego bruised by losing the battle with Trista and her family. With all of that rage bubbling under the surface he lashed out at Ayla, more angrily and forcefully than ever before. The rest we can deduce from the blood /vomit and his words revealing his knowledge that Ayla is dead.

His actions were still premeditated because of the underlying motivation for his abuse. Even if he was not thinking 'I'm going to kill her this time', in the moment of each incident of abuse..his overall goal was her death (which is evidenced by him buying a policy AGAINST her life).

Jen said...

Trista did NOT turn over custody, JDip and his mother made a 'custody grab, using a reluctant police officer who was order by Phoebe's buddy at CPS to remove the screaming baby from Trista's sister who was keeping her while Trista went to rehab, because CPS worker said 'the father trumps the aunt' in custody rights. Ayla's blood is on their hands also.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying you think justin sexually abused ayla in a drugged state and that is why there was so much blood on and near the bed and she died from internal injuries? That the bloody baby doll was aylas way of expressing what happened to her!

Anonymous said...

Jen--Your post makes sense, and since you are one of the only posters who thoroughly thinks things through and seem like a very kind person I will consider what you have written.
My feeling though is that there was a sadistic element to this crime. In my opinion, there are indicators as well as linguistic indicators Phoebe masterminded this crime, but I will carefully consider your angle.

John P said...

I think both Derek Tudela and Justin both took turns raping Ayla as a means to get back at Trista.

Anonymous said...

I think the internal injuries are thought to be from the beating, not sexual abuse. That could certainly cause Ayla to throw up blood. Poor baby, the more I read about this case, the more I want to cry.

Jen said...

Anytime...I was hoping it made sense, kind of hard to condense into a comment!

elf said...

That theory is kinda stupid. Justin already 'won't because he had ayla. Molesting ayla wouldn't be getting back at trista. According to what I've read trista and Derrick weren't acquainted.

Masquerade said...

Anonymous September 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Elisha said to Trista in the police station on Day 1 "Where is Ayla".However, Phoebe was blaming the "someone who had been watching the house, casing the house and watching the family's activities". The same "someone" I am assuming that Phoebe had attempted to protect her house from by having people keep watch over the house and had a gun also to protect the house from this someone."Now Phoebe is getting desperate. Her "clever" plan that a mysterious kidnapper had taken Ayla wasnt believed by LE or the public, so now Trista is the scapegoat.

****

I believe that. Do you think Elisha had her own plan to blame Trista to begin with? And it just sort of "caught on" with the rest of them, after the mystery kidnapper fell through?

I actually don't think Elisha knew, at least at first, what happened. I don't even think Phoebe, or Courtney did. I think Elisha's initial questioning of Trista, on day 1, might have been genuine. Imagine her not knowing that her brother murdered her niece. Her 1st thought might be that Ayla's mother kidnapped her. This is not to let them off the hook now, with whatever knowledge they have now, after the fact, or to let them off the hook for their nasty behavior towards Trista. I think they are all guilty of something. Their lack of emotion and concern for Ayla has proven so.

Anonymous said...

Yes, they are all guity of being decent human beings

Masquerade said...

I think the sexual abuse reference was used as an example of how abuse progresses, and how, in the example, the father's view of his daughter changed - from being his daughter, to "the girl".

Masquerade said...

I don't think that's really John P's comment.

Masquerade said...

Obviously not.

Anonymous said...

Who would say such a horrible thing?

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Peter said...
In Domestic Violence, women are not often "beaten" by their abuser, so much as they are controlled by the threat of abuse from him.  Women in violent relationships quickly learn how to 'walk on egg shells' and keep the abuser from blowing in anger. The woman learns to alter her behavior in order to keep the abuser in check:  she knows what words to say to pacify him, what bills to hide from him, and can read his face and know when to rush to the kitchen to fetch him a beer before he explodes in rage.  She lives life exhaustively under his control (which also enters the language; see 'personal hygiene' in Statement Analysis), and has little say in what goes on in her life.  It is the ultimate out of control life to live as  she uses all of her talents, wit and wisdom, to keep from being attacked by him.

This paragraph is written by someone who has emotionally connected with women in true crisis. Only someone with a strong desire to aid and understand would have the patience to gain the trust of women who are so vulnerable. For a man to have the compassion required to tap into the exact emotions of women in domestic violence situations must know a woman he cares about very much from similar circumstances.

Still, it amazes me how these women have the strongest of constitutions to endure the fear of the next violent episode...still. Always waiting for the "other shoe to drop." Most of these women are not weak, as many believe, but have survived an unfathomable hell on earth.

It is not the actual physical act of abuse that is so destructive to the women's psyche but the damaging emotional pain that remains always. Abuse has a far reach with unintended consequences. I know.

Anonymous said...

Masquerade, yes we are on the same page. I believe Elisha's blaming of Trista on Day 1 was genuine in that Elisha was in the dark and thought Trista taking her was the most likely scenario.
The fact that Phoebe on Day 1 does not follow this same path of blaming Trista shows her involvement in both planning and carrying out the crime. She does not blame Trista (which would have prob been the natural response). Rather Phoebe blames a fabricated outside danger/intruder. You can see this type if thing in the guilt ie Mark Redwine (back and forth between blaming a kidnapper and blaming the mother). Although, it is somewhat different, as Phoebe had been fabricating this outside danger for some time (we didnt see this w Redwine).
To summarize: Phoebe knew. Elisha didnt.

Anonymous said...

This is one of your better articles, Peter. Tips hat...

Anonymous said...

Masqurade,

It is totally possible someone had been casing the house and watching the family's activities. It is happening to more and more people with the information age and such. They chase down contacts made on facebook, hack computers, bug homes, make harassing phone calls, and threaten family and friends.

They call it "research" in my area. In other countries it is called terrorism.

In a nutshell, they are looking for a new term to write an essay on how to become a Nazi and everyone not only think it great, but also an intellectual idea.

It's best to take down car descrtions and plate numbers.

These people typically are into kidnapping and extortion and are most likely to go after someone unable to afford a defense or someone whose culture prefers this targeted segment of their society be terrorised.

They get subsidized for it.

Masquerade said...

Phoebe said she had people watching her house for her, and she had a gun.

She later, during her interview, said that it's a creepy feeling to know that someone had been watching your house.

Where were her lookouts?

IMO, her first statement was paranoia and/or threatening in nature. Her 2nd statement was just part of her mystery kidnapper lie.

Anonymous said...

subsidized?

ROFL

Like, from the government?

Too funny!

Masquerade said...

I wasn't sure if that was paranoid-anon or not, so I didn't really want to get into it. But yeah, lol. :/

Anonymous said...

It makes sense then since they are using media run bullies to try a case that she would have a gun and someone watching her house (sorry, I thought you meant before the child went missing).

It's not paranoia if it's real and provable. Maybe to those who only ever sit behind a computer screen and sneer at everyone else it would seem paranoid.

It's not funny, either! It's serious, it's scary, and it's life threatening. I'm sorry you are so crass and self-centered you think it's funny.

ima.grandma said...

Dear Masquerade,
Take a break sweetheart. You are becoming consumed with this case. Read a book, take a walk, call a friend, exercise, say a prayer. Any activity that will help you recharge your batteries and achieve balance. Then come back and get a fresh start. It is clear you want to help to solve this mystery and see Baby Ayla receive justice. I hope you accept this suggestion as one of kindness.
Pam

GetThem said...

I think Elisha and Courtney knew exactly what happened the night Ayla was killed. I believe they were partying, high on drugs and they covered up the murder because they had a lot to lose. They knew they would get in trouble for doing drugs, they knew their own kids would get taken away and they had guilty consciences because they knew Ayla was being physically abused and never helped her. They may have even been abusive to Ayla too. I'm don't know when Phoebe came into play, but I believe it was fast. Maybe she showed up the morning after during clean up and they had to tell her. Phoebe was lying for Justin so fast, that she had to have some kind of guilty knowledge. I think they all started with the intruder story, but once police stated there was no intruder, they switched it to Trista. Self indulgent Justin believes if Trista hadn't gotten pregnant in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.

The real surprise now is that Courtney hasn't turned on Justin. They are supposedly broken up. What role did Courtney play in all this to fear turning on Justin. Even if she helped with disposal, LE would cut her a deal. Unless she didn't take a deal and it's off the table. I don't know, I just can't understand her motive.

Anonymous said...

that may lead to premeditated sex abuse

Anonymous said...

Masquerade and Jen are two of the only people here who think these cases through and have any instict for solving crime and who don't bring any agenda here in their efforts to solve crime.
@ Masquerade--I do have to disagree w you that Phoebe's 1st statement was not paranoia, rather an integral part of her sociopathic and sadistic plan. Justin, the abuser, is a tool in her plan imo. I believe it is prob difficult to understand the deviousness in her thinking. But let's look at a few clues:
Phoebe
1) fabricated danger/foreshadowing of home invasion
2) linguistic indicators of sadistic hatred towards Ayla (found in her comments about broken arm incident)
3) was not home at time crime is called in
4) has an attorney for herself and Elisha (a benign entity in this cast)

Anonymous said...

Phoebe smirking as she holds up a picture of her dead granbaby kmowing the CNN reporter was sitting on her blood stain on the couch...f'in witch!!!

elf said...

*Justin had already won not won't. :( my smart phone isn't smart lol

Anonymous said...

I found this: Can you tell me anything about your suspicion of the family?

“The last time I visited Ayla was at the DiPietro’s house and Phoebe, for whatever reason, told me that she has a gun in her house and people keeping constant watch of their home. I thought it was strange and don’t know why she would even tell me such a thing. It is something that has made me nervous since, especially since people in the neighborhood claimed to hear a loud noise in the middle of the night before Ayla was reported missing. The sound was loud like a gunshot at around 3:00 a.m., on the 16th of December.”

“I am worried because I don’t know what happened to her. I don’t know what they are hiding, and I don’t know why he [Justin DiPietro] just won’t talk to me or tell me what happened. Are they going to try to cash out that life insurance policy now that it’s believed Ayla is dead?”
http://justiceforayla.org/statement-and-behavioral-analysis-trista-reynolds-june-4-2012-phone-interview/

Two babies;two different bedrooms.

If she were hyper and into things, she may have found the gun if not properly stored. This may be where the blame game originates.

If the grandmother was negligent in seeking medical attention, she may have also been negligent in storing the firearm, too. Or, there may have been a reason her son shouldn't be in the house with one.

Houses in poorer neighborhoods have more crime and less policing.

There would be no reason to shoot a baby. If a person wanted to kill one just kick it down the stairs, leave it to drown in the tub, overdose,etc.

Anonymous said...

it makes sense that she shot herself, living in that nasty home with all the abuse.
did LE say if the vomit they detected was bile only or did it also include food? sometimes trauma victims will vomit stomach fluids but it's not like you were sick after eating food. sort of like when women puke on my thigh.

Anonymous said...

The comment praising Masquerade and Jen was not written by Peter. It was written by me, and I am not Peter. I believe Peter is good at statement analysis but I don't agree with some of his crime solving techniques. I feel like he decides too quickly "whodunit" and then, out of pride, won't ever consider whether he may not be totally right. Just my opinion. With cases that are not easily solved, maybe people should statement analyze more to see if they're missing anything--just my opinion!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Either that, or someone is playing pump the dummy from the word "gun."

It sounds like child abuse from the get-go. However, to make a statement like that is outrageous even for someone who is confused and greiving. She may be getting some not so "expert" "expert" advice that drags this into the abyss.

The Chuckie Cheese fight; the falling down broken arm; the telegrahing an abduction; and the conspiracy of the mother doing it from abroad....over the top!

He may have been able to pass a poly. However, nothing else makes sense.

Unless some of his thug friends came by that night (reason for the loud noise) and he didn't notice her gone until the next morning.

Anonymous said...

how justin may have been able to pass a poly...
if he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol to the point that he would have no recollection once sobered up, of what he did while under the influence, he could pass a poly as his answers would all be solid denials, because he wouldn't even know. all he would know is that he didn't do it, and that would reflect in his poly answers that he didn't know anything.
problem is, if he is a crackhead, he more than likely has mental issues also which leads to him self medicating with illegal drugs or alcohol. those mental issues could be diagnosed by watching his reactions when mom confronted him at the court. he can be easily manipulated to doubting himself and to believe what people are accusing him of, and will eventually admit he did those things, even though he won't even recall doing them.
if they were all paranoid drug freaks, they would have nailed ALL the windows shut and had something over EVERY window that could not be seen through. alya bedroom window only had a sheer curtain which can be seen through. therefore i believe their claims that they were being watched are valid and their fears of alya being kidnapped were brought on by things the aunt had threatened. buying an insurance policy would be a big show of parental responsibility steps being taken that would be a plus for justin during a custody battle through courts.
i say look at the aunt who was "forced" to give alya over.

ima.grandma said...

This blog is not about crime solving. It is about statement analysis. If you are too emotionally invested you will not be able to analyze with an impartial result.

Of course we know the sonofabitch did it but that is not the point.

Anonymous said...

Justin didn't pass the polygraph.

Anonymous said...

Thanks granmama! We needed that!

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 5:56--Interesting post. I agree with the part about Justin's mind being malleable. I do not believe Phoebe suffers from actual paranoia. This is just a manifestation of her sociopathy--her "fabricated dangers" are used to manipulate others in various different ways. If you look at famous cases like "the girl in the box" case the guy who kidnapped this woman kept her in control by saying there was an organization called "The Company" that would kill her and her family if she tried to escape from him. She believed this and if you read the case, and I will warn you it is a disturbing case, you will understand why she would believe it under those circumstances. Phoebe's "fabricated danger" is a little different, but it is along the same lines--to terrorize others into doing what she wants. This is just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I'm a grandma--You are right and everyone could use a little more balance and come back and look at this stuff with a clear head

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:54p( Read the first paragraph of her comment, everyone).------- Are u the all-knowing?? Fill us in, please.
Your comments are so easy to pick out with ur all-knowing attitude....5:00p, 5:30p(first one).....and other comments in between 2:54-530p and above..

I think you need to ask ur other personalities to give u a name..... How about the 3M's. There is a theme going on around here..~MeMyself&Me again~......Sound devious and sadistic enough for ya! I think u give Phoebe too much credit, u are the MASTER of the ME!-ME!-ME!

I, too, see a pattern from the comments made yesterday and today.

Anonymous said...

I love how anyone who comes on here showing any insight gets attacked lol!

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:22 is a real tool

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Anonymous said...

Jen, terrific posts. Thank you!

For my own views, I think everyone in the house and attached to that house by relation or very close friendship, knows what happened: That there was an accident of some sort, oh, well, "unpredmediated event", then, and it it resulted in Ayla's death. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

The DiPietros and their stalwart defenders have always pointed to Trista, albeit, in the past, the DiPietros have been more subliminal in their deflections to Trista. Now, they they are under the gun, no more nice guys! They follow their tutored minions and accuse Trista as the bad guy.

Who and where is Phoebe's alibi? Is it just a coincidence that she happened to be out with her "friend" all night when the mysterious stalker took Ayla?

Safe out of the line of fire was Phoebe and then she blew it by pretending to be a witness to the "normal" night! I hope Phoebe's alibi passion mate was throughtly grilled and the "alibi" investigated.

We don't even know when Ayla was "taken"/hurt. Was it earlier on that morning of the 16th when Derek admits he was there with his baby son for a (cough) "Playdate"?

Did something happen to Ayla, later in the p.m.? When Courtney and Elisha were both there with their toddlers whom the cat burglar overlooked because both those kids were supposedly sleeping with Mama!

Could Ayla have met her fate on an earlier day before the 16th? Was she hurt on or before the 9th when Justin would not let Trista speak to Ayla on the phone? Were they all to panicky to get help and they let her suffer because they are all gutless to get her help? Did they have to hide the body quite quickly because it could have told the ME too many things? If found right away, that is.

Ayla missed her doctor's apointment that week, also. I believe on the 16th , the day of the "playdate". (Insert one more cough.)

Justin told Trista, on the d before the scheduled appointment that he was not going to make the it, and in so many words, to suck it up. He told friends that it was because he had a hangover.

I believe this is a widespread conspiracy to cover up for the DiPietros by more than just the immediate family.

The question is why should so many stick there necks out for the DiPietros, even after the MSP in early stages of the investigation, said that Ayla's blood was found in their house? And Ayla had just gone poof! What, no raised eyebrows among the supporters?

Do the DiPietros run in big social circles in Maine? Is someone on the political scene standing in their corner because of a blood (no pun intended)connection?

At any rate, as matriarch, Phoebe may sound like Ma Barker, but she isn't as clever and crafty as that old Florida crime boss, Cindy Anthony. Let me tell you, Cindy Anthony. Cindy could run a terrorist ring; she prcticed the trade on a lot of innocent souls in Florida to protect her murdering daughter...and now that Bin Laden's death presents an opening...

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 6:22--Sorry. I'll change my viewpoint to make it less sadistic and devious. Justin did it, unemployed couldnt get ahead, drug dealer, 2 illegitimate children, HE DID IT!!!!! OK are you happy now?! Phoebe is an enabler--she's a sweet little grandma who enables Justin--she's codendant--she just needs a 12 step program. Case closed.

Anonymous said...

Oh and Anon @ 6:22--since you claim to recognize a pattern and I go under 3 M's--no, I don't John. And I am sick of being accused of it!!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:57p 7:07p

3M's stands for your ((((((((demanding viewpoint)))))))))
~MeMyself&Me again~
refer back to ur 1st paragraph in comment Anon 2:54p < who talks like that?!? Unbelieveable!!!!

I am not John. Read what u wrote, stop taking the attention off of ur all-knowing demanding ass!

John don't get into this kind of back and forth crap!
Enuf said from me. Everyone can read ur post (anon2:54p 1st paragraph) and see how ur so called viewpoint is demanding others to think like you. Can u tell me, are u proud of your demanding attitude.
Sorry to all posters, the you(plural) got to me:-(

Emerald Viridis said...


Ayla was scared, confused, and unable to satisfy her tormentor, which gets her labeled as the 'problem', within the family...leading to more anger and abuse. Once the idea of a life insurance policy is introduced the wheels start turning. JDip sees it as a way to get rid of the child, eliminate future child support payments AND get a windfall of cash. The policy was purchased and Justin set the scene, mentioning that he fears Ayla being taken.

He may not have 'premeditated' the crime in the sense that he set a date, time, etc. But that life insurance policy was in the back of his mind everytime he interacted with Ayla from that point foward. The abuse escalating all the while, the LI policy driving him to show even less mercy each time. Then Trista makes her move to get custody back, and his anger rages against Trista (and in turn Ayla), he is on the verge of 18yrs of child support, and having his ego bruised by losing the battle with Trista and her family. With all of that rage bubbling under the surface he lashed out at Ayla, more angrily and forcefully than ever before. The rest we can deduce from the blood /vomit and his words revealing his knowledge that Ayla is dead.

His actions were still premeditated because of the underlying motivation for his abuse. Even if he was not thinking 'I'm going to kill her this time', in the moment of each incident of abuse..his overall goal was her death (which is evidenced by him buying a policy AGAINST her life).

Jenn, Hell yes! This is what is meant by PREMEDITATED...the abuse was dehumanizing, which allowed him to desensitize himself so he could complete his long term plan....the mind works on so many levels at one time, and it is certainly true that all of his interactions from the day he signed that CLIP policy at Derek's office were colored with the underlying thought of the LIP and its payout...
It must have been in the back of his mind every time he hurt her, unless he and Derek were laundering drug money with the LIP, and it was never intended for actual use...from what i understand, LE is looking into this possibility very closely...

Anonymous said...

So freakin done trying to solve crime here! Jen and Masquerade, keep up the good crime-solving work and don't let this place cramp your thinking abilities! John, the next time you wanna go anon, try taking out the elipses and hyphenations--although changing "your" to "ur" was quite clever. Don't think I could stand reading anymore of Peter's sexist B.S. anyway! GOODBYE!!!

Masquerade said...

I can see why a lot of people have stopped commenting here, unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 7:30--Whatever buddy. You don't like how I talk skip over it. Chill the heck out! You're the one going under different aliases. And honestly, you can call this snobbery if you want but why should I take someone writing in "textspeak" seriously. Enuf? Is that how you spell "enough" John? Is your spelled "ur"? Get a grip! Changing your spelling and ellipses use and spelling that way?
Would u lik it if I yeld at u in txt spk?
No, I am not the nicest person in the world! I know I'm intelligent, I treat the English language respectfully. I treat every poster with respect. I call out bullshit when I see it. I'm not here to be liked, I'm here to statement analyze.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I just looked at my 1st paragraph that you hate. What did I say? I complimented Jen. I said she thinks things through. GET OVER IT! That is my impression--that she is a thoughtful person! So done here w all this whining!

Anonymous said...

Now I see why you're so paranoid of other people having multiple aliases! Wow, I called that one right!

mj said...

*timidly raises hand*

Does anyone know the basis for Grace4Ayla (?) gets the theory that Trista agreed at some point to handing Ayla over to JDip for an insurance cash out? I have waded a bit through her attached blog, but I really was hoping for "cliff's notes" version of where that theory has materialized?

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm better at SA than I thought! Now it makes sense to me: there's 2 sides to you--the ridiculously meek persona and the vulgar, obscene persona!

Anonymous said...

Get Them, I think they feel entitled and wouldn't take a plea because any plea probably means jail time. I suspect they want to control the outcome and are to unrealistic in their expectations to realize that isn't going to happen.

Anonymous said...

A man tries to overdose his 4 year old with heroin on the day his divoce is finalized: http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/09/30/eric-emil-lehtinen-attempted-murder-son-4-heroin-day-divorce?hpt=ju_bn7

life's little stressors may be all the motive needed

Sus said...

Emerald,
I'm glad to hear LE is looking into the LIP as used for money laundering. That is what I believe to be the case. I also think Derek Tudela was in on it.

Justin not only had a policy on Ayla, but also on himself. What unemployed 23 year old living the partying life thinks suddenly, "Oh I need life insurance?"

Justin stated that when he moved back to Waterville, he switched car insurance to one from Derek Tudela. Angela Harry mentioned on her page that Justin bought life insurance on himself. I think Justin was floated (whoops, there it is!) some drugs by whoever is above Breane Roberts in the dealer line, probably the oxys with her. Their plan was to run the cash through a policy. It also served as collateral because Justin had nothing to put up.

And conveniently Justin has an insurance-selling bff who wont ask questions. Not only that...Derek T sells him a policy on Ayla. Why yes...it's even better when you look like you're saving for your daughter. He could stick in extra cash...all for Ayla, of course.

Breanne Roberts got a deal, obviously. She's been in front of several grand juries since her arrest. I'll just bet she doesn't want to talk about Justin, though, because that would incriminate her sister. Or maybe one of those grand juries will be for Justin someday.

ecossie possie said...

?
Fathers Parents don't like to have sax with there own???

History begs to differ reality begs to differ.

Fred an Rose West beg to differ,,,

Oh they don't admit to child abuse as to there twisted depraved minds its not its love.

Anonymous said...

As the owner of/user of several different firearms, I am finding any theory that would involve Ayla shooting herself, very hard to believe. First, for a hand that small, the grip would be difficult in an outward shot. I can't even imagine how she would grip it and point it inward. I also imagine it would involve a lot more blood splatter that what I've read about.

I had not considered it before, but now that Peter has mentioned it (and I'm not sure if he is even going there with his theory), but sexual abuse would explain some things. It would explain the larger spot of blood on the mattress (and sheet, would be interested in knowing if those two blood spots match up) and it would also explain the blood found in the upper level of the house. She is abused and then carried to bed (blood in shoes). Perhaps she was expected to die, or maybe Justin was too high at that point to even think that far ahead. Internal bleeding is happening and she somehow makes her way back downstairs to her dads bedside (scared? Looking for comfort?) and the vomiting happens. It would also explain the "ins and outs" he was speaking of.

As the mother of a daughter approximately the same age, it is very difficult to even conceive that scenario. I had trouble falling asleep last night as I was thinking about Ayla. I have felt sick thinking about how that poor child had to have died. I do hope the MSP are able to put these pieces together, recover Ayla's body and charge those responsible for her death and the cover up - in my mind that is Justin and his mother.

RIP, Ayla.

Anonymous said...

Mj, I've wondered the same thing about Trista's role. It makes sense until I remember that she's been trying for over two years to get answers. If she had been in on a plot to kill Ayla for part of the insurance payout, I don't see her trying to push the case along. She would be lying low in the hopes that Justin and his crew wouldn't't spill the beans. Just my thoughts. Plus, I can't stand the thought of that sweet little girl being hated by both parents. It's bad enough that her father clearly didn't love her.

sidewalk super said...

Sus,
can you explain laundering money to a person who still thinks in terms of laundromats, dry cleaners?

Anonymous said...

in my mind that is Justin and his mother.

RIP, Ayla.

September 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Your post reminded me, they had a really bad neighbor...

Anonymous said...

I think his name was Bob

Anonymous said...

I have no idea who Bob is - can you explain how that would fit in? Did "Bob" abuse her and then Justin carried her, dripping blood, to bed? And if a bad neighbor were involved, why wouldn't they be telling the police all about him?

sidewalk super said...


And, Sus,
justin doesn't sound like he's got lots of spare money, his mother might be a different story.

Anonymous said...

So, sidewalk super is John too. Interesting.

Anonymous said...

Astronomy. The stars told her.

Lemon said...

ima.grandma@6:00 said-
This blog is not about crime solving. It is about statement analysis. If you are too emotionally invested you will not be able to analyze with an impartial result.
__________

ima.grandma brings up a good point. "The subject is dead; the statement is alive." -A. Sapir

Sus said...

Sidewalk Super,
To launder money means to invest money earned illegally (dirty money) into someplace where it can sit awhile. Then take it out and it looks like you earned it legitimately through that investment.

So if Justin put it into a LIP he would cash it out later, looking like he earned premiums. Courtney and Breanne Roberts family has real estate, rentals. Real Estate is a common laundering vehicle.

Because LE has improved in "following the money" criminals are now running their money through several places. Often through prepaid debit cards, then to a more permanent place like insurance or real estate or any other legit looking business. I find it interesting that Justin is on tape using a prepaid debit card.

Insurance companies watch carefully for laundering. Agents are taught the signs to look for. One being, of course, to pay in cash. But, remember Justin's bff is an agen, an agent who Justin called even before his mother and 911 the morning Ayla disappeared.

Hope this helps.

Sus said...

Sidewalk Super,
Agreed. Justin doesn't sound like he has lots of money. The policies were for the future money he earned selling drugs. He didn't sell the drugs as planned. I think the drugs floated to him were the 1000 oxys later found on Breamne Roberts. She is currently in a federal prison.

sidewalk super said...

Sus,
ah, yes, I remember the cards, but in justin's case, his big distribution contact is courtney and her family. Pushing and shoving while being watched by a cop probably was a tad unwise.
Where is his mama when he needs her?
Speaking of mama, I'm not convinced she was absent from the house whenever it was that Ayla succumbed to bloody assaults. No reason at all to believe anything she says.

elf said...

Didn't any of you read the evidence trista released? There was blood found in a pair of Justin's shoes that were found by the stairs. Drops of blood found on the tongue and inside the shoe. It never stated they were the shoes he was wearing when he murdered ayla. Since it was described as spots I think it came from splatter that they missed when they cleaned up.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea who Bob is - can you explain how that would fit in

Bob Vear, a grandfather of a small child, said Ayla's disappearance should remind people of what they have.
"If you have a small child, hold, hug and caress him, because one never knows. One never knows," he said.
Vear, a friend of the DiPietros, organized the vigil with the help of the church and its members. He said Ayla's entire family is struggling with the disappearance.
"Both sides (of the family) are very emotional and very heartbroken," he said. "They want resolution as much as the community at large. There's no ifs, ands or buts about that."
Vear said the vigil was meant to accomplish two objectives.
"Number one is to bring awareness that Ayla is still out there missing at this point," he said. "Secondly, it's to raise funds for T-shirts, bracelets, ribbons, flyers -- anything it takes to keep Ayla's name out in the forefront."http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/community-leaves-light-on-for-ayla_2012-01-17.html?searchterm=bob+vear

elf said...

Who was the last person outside of the dipietros and Courtney to see ayla alive? Store clerk? Neighbor? I can't seem to find that anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Vear said he was first made aware of the blood sample Dec. 24, but he doesn't think it'll amount to anything.
"I cut myself at home all the time," he said. "It could be Justin's, it could be the baby's. There were five or six people in the house that night."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/28/ayla-reynolds-case-blood-_n_1239245.html

Anonymous said...

@Anon at 9:53 PM
the gun was only a 22 and knowing what a badass justin is, it probably had hollow points in it.

~mj said...

@ elf, I believe Derek T has claimed to see her alive the morning of the 16th.

Re: the theory that Trista had an arrangement with JDip to get rid of Ayla for life insurance... I'm interested in knowing where this idea came from. What basis? I cannot fathom why a mother with another baby would do that? Get rid of one, but not the other? Only to have yet another? Then to be so "in your face" with the dips....I would like to know where this theory started growing traction. Grace4ayla hinted to it and her blog has the theory all over it. But after some time, I still couldn't find evidence to that theory. Anyone?

sidewalk super said...


phoebe

elysia

courtney

elf said...

So where's ayla if tristas sister took her? Did she just happen to beat ayla from one end of the damn house to the other? Wouldn't that have been a noisy abduction scenario?

elf said...

Derrick (sp?) Doesn't count. I guess I meant someone outside of the case.

Jen said...

Yikes, what happened on here today, lol!

Hi Anon- (Maggie, if I'm interpreting correctly), your input is appreciated, along with everyone elses, and you should continue participating/practicing SA. Discussing the possible meaning of something, and bouncing different ideas off other posters is a good thing. If we all had the same opinion this would get pretty boring.

However, I have to speak up for John. I think you are mistaken in your belief that he is a 'troll' or harassing you. John (the real John, with the Rorschach type pic) is a longtime poster and he has always been polite, insightful and well-meaning in his contributions.

Jen said...

Hi elf-

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but your question about who last saw Ayla and when made me think of something. Ayla could have already been 'missing' for a while before that night. She wasn't taken to her Dr appt, she wasn't allowed to see or talk to Trista, meaning she was likely obviously injured or possibly already 'gone'.

It's possible Ayla was long gone and they only reported it that morning because Trista had petitioned for visitation/custody and they feared her showing up with the cops to take Ayla back (like they did to get Ayla from Trista's sister). That would go right along with JDips text to Trista that he 'always thought she would be the one to take Ayla away from him' (paraphrased). If Trista showed up with the cops and they couldn't produce Ayla, they wouldn't be able to blame it on a phony kidnapping. To make that story work they had to be the ones to 'discover her missing'.

So the next morning JDip, with the help of Derick T. removed his stash, drug paraphernalia, guns, and anything else they needed to remove before LE showed up to search the house, and moved it to Courtney's sister's in Portland. They called 911 and the show began. (I believe there is something very telling on that 911 call recording that they refuse to release).

Jen said...

Are the probable cause/search warrant docs for the home on Viollete available online? I have looked for them before but didn't have any luck. Thanks in advance!

SALurkerOne said...

MSP confirmed to the maternal family that Ayla was last seen on 12/16/11 by someone outside of the Dipietro's circle. Details we don't know.

SALurkerOne said...

Nothing is available with this case. No info really. Which is why there has been so many questions about different aspects of this case.

Anonymous said...

I think this case has been solved.
Ya all would be more productive in figuring a way to make the AG move.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What was the point of begining with references to sexual abuse? Peter didn't assert that Justin sexually abused Ayla, so why did he start off with that information? It seemed like he just went off on a tangent and then remembered what he'd intended to write about.

September 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM


com·par·i·son noun \kəm-ˈper-ə-sən, -ˈpa-rə-\
: the act of looking at things to see how they are similar or different

: the act of suggesting that two or more things are similar or in the same category

Anonymous said...

The life insurance shows premeditation. Justin had to keep her for several weeks to pull off the missing child hoax. He knew that he was going to get rid of Ayla so he avoided any bonding. Maybe everyone in that house knew not to bond with Ayla. Since he did not want her his anger and resentment were fanned by her every need.

That must be one scary house for any child.

S + K Mum said...

I really enjoyed reading this Peter, it is useful to be reminded how a person can manipulate words in order to avoid lying directly. It makes me feel sad that you have seen so many cases of child abuse, although it has provided you with knowledge about signs of abuse and also knowledge of 'unexpected' comments by abusers. Which you share in this blog for others to learn.
I know since I have been reading here, I have taken in a huge amount of knowledge and although I am really not good at Statement Analysis, some of it has sunk in as I find myself on red alert when I hear unexpected statements in the press, TV etc. Lemon has reminded us 'the subject is dead, the statement is alive'. Great point!
Everyone wants to see justice for Ayla. We aren't here to solve a crime as ima.grandma rightly reminded us. Isn't it wonderful though that we are all here, remembering Ayla and keeping her in our thoughts, hoping justice will be served for her.

Anonymous said...

The Maine State Police website states clearly what they think about the case.
"
On December 17, 2011, Ayla Reynolds (DOB 4-4-2010) was reported missing from her Violette Avenue home by her father Justin DiPietro. Investigators have ruled out any possibility that Ayla left the house on her own or that she was abducted. Investigators discovered Ayla's blood in the basement of her home, and the three adults who were in the home at the time are withholding information. Police believe that Ayla is probably dead"

It is a mistery how the evidence is enough to state all that but they still cannot do anything to move forward, to solve the case.

quote sourse:
http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=state_police_unsolved&id=605022&v=Article-missing

ima.grandma said...

S + K Mum said...
Isn't it wonderful though that we are all here, remembering Ayla and keeping her in our thoughts, hoping justice will be served for her.

Yes, it is wonderful. Thank you for summarizing so eloquently. I do appreciate this blog, contributing posters and its originator. If not for this site, I am ashamed that I would be unaware of Baby Ayla's existence and the forces of evil that surrounded her those last few months. My thoughts are with Trista. I can't imagine the torment she has endured and will continue to bear for all of her life. Life isn't fair as we all know but this loss is unthinkable.

I signed all the petitions I could find. I agree with the poster that said this case is already solved. The players are lying but the crime evidence will not. Efforts to make a difference are best spent by banding together with other concerned citizens to promote prosecution.

Anonymous said...

Justine took flight

Anonymous said...

He didn't look for Ayla!

Masquerade said...

ima.grandma September 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM
Dear Masquerade,Take a break sweetheart. You are becoming consumed with this case. Read a book, take a walk, call a friend, exercise, say a prayer. Any activity that will help you recharge your batteries and achieve balance. Then come back and get a fresh start. It is clear you want to help to solve this mystery and see Baby Ayla receive justice. I hope you accept this suggestion as one of kindness.
Pam

******

ima.grandma/Pam,

How sweet of you to think of me. Bless your heart. How nice of you to hope that I accept your suggestion as one of kindness. Was that your intention? Of all the comments on this thread (and previous ones), what makes you think that I should take a break?

This is not a crime solving website. Correct. What is SA used for? It is used as a tool, though, in crime solving. It is used for other purposes also though, that is true.

If my comments offend you in some way, I apologize. That is not my intention.

ima.grandma said...

Masquerade, it seems as though I should mind my own business. Sometimes, emails, texts, and blog comments are misinterpreted as it is impossible to include emotions, smiles and true intent. Please accept my apologies.

john said...

Thanks Jen..

Its water of a ducks back,all their doing is disrespecting the name of a poor defensive little girl who's life was so cruelly taken away from her.

Anonymous said...

Here here!!!! Well said John!!

Anonymous said...

IMO, Ayla's death was premeditated planned by Phoebee and maybe executed by her. I don't believe the money laundering scene. I do believe he sold small amounts to support his habits and pay the LIP premimum though. If he was making enough money to launder he would've been driving a vehicle that wasn't an eyesore or stuck out. Besides the fact he's not smart enough.

john said...

Thanks for pointing that out,my apologies..

elf said...

This is only my opinion, but, I think Peter included the 'language' of a sexual abuser because of the example linguistically. The father doesn't abuse his daughter, he abuses the child/girl/young lady.
Whether it be sexual, physical, or mental-abuse is still abuse. The words of the guilty will give them away.

sidewalk super said...


Another question to Mainers:

If an unwed mother of three children by different men, never married, is on welfare when the children are youngsters, does that mother have to name the father of each child in order to receive welfare for those children?? (After all, that is, from Trista's point of view, what brought Ayla to a bad end.)

sidewalk super said...


Obviously I'm still thinking justin's mother has had help from some people, intentionally, in keeping the two of them free to live in the out-of-jail world. Business as usual.
And helpful people just might be related, like the sister-in-law in the adoption office, yes?
Or, maybe not?

Masquerade said...

That's a good question, sidewalk. I'm interested in the answer too.

I don't know for a fact, but I think it was different, back when Phoebe's kids were little. I don't think the mother had to name the father back then. But, even now, I suppose one could just say they don't know who the father is? I also think, but am not positive, that if there has been domestic violence, that plays some role in the process.

S + K Mum said...

Thanks ima.grandma :)

Anon 4.53Am
It's really quite sad that you felt it necessary! I used 'we' and 'our' trying to encompass what the majority who post in this blog hope for. I think I am right, the majority hope for this - I have been reading about Ayla's case since it first appeared here and I know the majority want justice for this innocent little girl, from reading their words.
It's your perogative how you choose to behave and what you hope for Anon.

For everyone else, remember this (haha): if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's probably a duck........

Maggie said...

Jen, Thank you. I will stay and contribute.
I do know John has been a long time poster and I remember when he first came on.
I believe he is the troll for several reasons, but just taking last night for example when anon was telling me to leave, I had been suspecting the anon was John, bc of very distinct punctuation idiosyncracies and tone as well as the fact that the night before, the troll commented how funny it was that Maggie and John' s "ALT" were arguing. Last night I wrote "don't worry it's your playground now to post your turd comments John.". Within seconds of writing that the turd troll apeared saying "I am the turd troll!" and the "anon" who I believe is John disappeared. The turd troll posts under many different accounts--the one where the link is in blue as well as anon accounts (just last night's sample of turd insults show that). I believe he also has named account (s).
He is also the onr doing the schizophrenia posts--he is pretty good at doing different personas.
This is my impression, if I'm wrong then I do apologize.

Anonymous said...

All the above is why I left this blog,observer

TURD TROLL PLOPS OUT OF MAGGIES ANUS said...

Maggie strains,,,,,,maggie farts,,,,,I PLOP OUT!

Anonymous said...

John and Observer are the only ones on this blog who do not put a space after their commas.

Jen said...

Thanks...something really fishy is going on here.

In most states search warrant and probable cause docs are public information, unless sealed by a judge. Is that not the case in Maine?

Anonymous said...

Whoever the troll is, his words from last night have been deleted, but one thing he is said is how stupid we all are for not pcking up on the clues he's left. I think there's a possibility the troll is involved in one of these cases on here and he comes here every night to insult us because we're not clever enough to pick up on the "clues" he said he has been leaving here. Just going on what he has said.

Anonymous said...

troll's been here since hailey dunn's remains were found; troll came to us when troll's backwood's hic idol, billie dunn...needed a backwood's hic troll to defend her...

Anonymous said...

OK, so he came here during the Hailey Dunn case. That's interesting. My advice is I would consider that he could be involved in something w one of the cases. The troll stuff he is doing (the stuff he is saying) is very degrading, (similar to dirty prank calls, flashing, these types of offenses that can be tied to even more serious behavior). And he obviously gets a rise out of it or he wouldn't be back here every night doing it. I wouldn't put it past him that this guy has committed some kind of serious criminal act.

Anonymous said...

So, this troll sees themselves as Billie Jean Dunn's knight in shining armor, disrupting and trying to invalidate SA for her, but they're just a fool in tinfoil to the all the rest of us people who see them, validating and confirming SA?? LMAO!!! Priceless, and totally Billie's style of knight, BWAHAHAHA!!!

hobnob the penis hurter 2013 said...

Hiya turdy chops!!!!

Sperms up knox said...

Calm down,,,,,your nose is twitching!!!! Ps your very stupid.i TURD UP YOUR SEALED EARS.

Turding Turders!!! said...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YOU ARE STUPID TURDS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^° TURDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSS!

Anonymous said...

I think anon @ 1:19 hit troll on the head lmao, look at troll now!! :D So funny, sink troll sink, Billie will be so disappointed in you now, what can you do to make this up to her?? :P Dance, tinfoil fool, dance :P

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, at 1:46pm....

Anonymous said...
I think anon @ 1:19 hit troll on the head lmao, look at troll now!!

************
For sure, you're right, look at troll, running around in circles, full concussion LMAO!!!!!

handfulls of vomit and handfulls of TURDS! said...

Shut up TURDS!!!!

maggie BORES US ALL!!TURDFACED TURD! said...

Shut up.

maggie BORES US ALL!!TURDFACED TURD! said...

Shut up.

anonthistime said...

Looks like you all really hit a sore spot with Billie's hillbilly turd.

Keep up the good work! He might get so worked up he'll squeeze right out from up her butt.

Anonymous said...

LMAO!!!! SO, *Trolley* is Billie Jean Dunn's *turd* ooops, I mean, *knight-in-tinfoil*, we all knew it had a distinctive stink....I love it when astute people do SA!!! :D : D :D

I also remember when pointhunter found Hailey's remains....and when *turdyturdtroll who has no life and only tinfoil for armor* starting playing things up for Billie Dunn on this site...coincidence lmao???? I think not :D :D :D....I'll say same as anon @1:19 and anon @1:46, dance sucker dance :D :P :D

Snaggled toothed, backwood's hic, over-promiscuous Billie Jean Dunn??? REALLY??????? LMAO!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!!!! Just associating trolley with Billie, very visually entertaining and plausible to to fullest!!!! :D Billie Jean must be so desperate to involve trolley or for trolley to involve themselves in living every moment to make this SA site look bad when it can't. only *trolley* and Billie Jean Dunn wind up looking bad!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey butthead, where have you gone? Where oh where have you gone? Oh, I am sorry, I forgot you must be just trying to squirm back into sleazy Billie's "hello kitty's" back door. Come back out and play once you find your way out. Be sure and get your penicillin shot. Those pesky STDs just hang aound.

Anonymous said...

I think the troll poster is Hobnob. Talk about split personalities!

john turd turdering TURD! said...
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you drug addicted TURD said...
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observer said...

Yes,observer

Anonymous said...

I agree with the commentator at 1:19, *Trolley's* sick, twisted comments started happening when the truth started coming out about Billie Dunn and her involvement in her daughter's murder, when poor Hailey's remains were found by pointhunter, and I
I agree with this commentator also that this troll has been here nonstop, trying to upset the SA apple cart.

How someone can find it in themselves to try to distort understanding and comprehension of the truth, in these other cases of missing kids and often guilty parents, is sick and an echo of how Billie Jean Dunn and Shawn Adkins think, so it is no surprise *Trolley* needs to stand out as a disturbing reminder of how far sickos go to defend their right to be....sickos....in defense of their....sickness they are defending....or the sickos they try to defend, by deflection or obstruction of truth.

I wonder if 'Trolley' only gets laid by Billie if 'Trolley' has upset SA, and Peter in his quest for honesty in these sad cases, lmfao if anyone could really be turned on by and enamored by or bought by Billie's guilt and fish smells and yes, you only need see an online pic of Billie to smell it.

TURD^^^^^ said...

Lmaooookkoooooooooooooo
Ur obsessionionated with my TURDS!!!!

SKEoD said...

although i find it humorous, i am not the turd.
because of things you all have said about me, i will never tell you who the turd is.

SKE0d said...

Ske0D SHUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH u are not moi.YOU do not know Moi.NOBODY here has a fucking clue who i am!Loolllllsysssssssss BUT im not anything to do with the scum murderers...THE pedo's The fbi..,.,.,or anyone involved in / INVESTIGATING EVIL
shite.Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Welcome back TURD MAGGIE!!!!!!!

TURD said...

The TRUE"TURDS"have GONE BACK UP THE ANUS HOLES they slithered from.

Anonymous said...

:)

Anonymous said...

This is for maggie
DEFLECTING...Trista's getting sick of Justins games!!!

Anonymous said...

John,youve lost the plot .maggie was right .

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