Thursday, September 12, 2013

Vladimir Putin's Statement


"Recent events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy inSyria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

82 comments:

Trigger said...

The Russian officials would not shake hands with Mr. Obama.

Does this mean that they are racists?

Oprah Winfrey needs to examine the motives of these Russians just like she did when she attended Tina Turner's wedding and exposed that little sales clerk, then we will get to the truth. (Yeah, right)

Trigger said...

I think that Mr. Putin has made a valid point about Mr. Obama's speech.

Mr. Putin has exposed the arrogance of Mr. Obama in an "exceptional" way.

Anonymous said...

Trigger, Mr. Putin has already made it clear (to me) in the statement above that he/they are not racists. At least enough so that I'm not going to waste my time speculating on such a trivial speculation, whether little inuendos raise their ugly head or not. IMO, It's the entirety of his statement that matters.

I also do not believe that Obama was being entirely arrogant. He was merely stating his opinion as he saw it and as all those leaders before him have done in expressing the very same thoughts. They all believed we could sin not, fail not. Wrongly.

we bring freshness we are anti chimp said...

I'd love to FART on americcas aged
Vulva,observer

Anonymous said...

Purin is racist evil evil racist.

Anonymous said...

CNN confirmed that the Americans (CIA) are funding arms to the rebels. These are Al Qaeda rebels mind you. I don't get our idiots in office.

Anonymous said...

Putin is Right and Obama is wrong. Thank you for this speech Putin. Only saving grace for Obama here is that his horrible idea of a little war probably scared Assad into listening to Putin and Putin into taking this course of action. Putin says we are not exceptional -- that's his comunist Ideals -- and beyond that he's right. however - it's American culture to need to believe we are best and it drives us to do some good things. And some awful things. Modesty and Hubris each have their place -- they ebb and flow in helping and hindering. For now lets all be very proud of ourselves if we can not start this war.

Anonymous said...

Good post, Anon @1:34! I agree with all, except that Obama was already trying to affect some modest negotiations with Syria and Assad concerning turning over their chemical WMDs prior to Putin making the statemenss as posted in this article.

I wouldn't necessarily give all the credit to Putin for some of his statements since Obama had already expressed some of these same views.

Now, it just remains to be seen how effective this statement turns out to be, or whether Obama & Co (and the Senate & Congress) will take Putins' criticism in an offensive manner inasmuch as he was critical of Obama and the US; and react badly. Guess we'll see, won't we?

sidewalk super said...

Putin obviously has better speech writers than the current president, and they seem to have a pretty good grip on the realities of life on that side of the world.

He sounds like he knows what he's doing, and, he cares about his part of the world.

Anonymous said...

I agree Sidewalk Super, he sure does have better speech writers. Also, obviously has no commie leanings unless he's just out and out lying, which does not appear to be the case.

Anonymous said...

What Putin Didn't Tell the American People
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-neistat/what-putins-op-ed-forgot_b_3914154.html

Trigger said...

"What Obama didn't tell the American people" is what concerns me.

Americans covertly arming Al Qaeda?

What is that about?

Anonymous said...

Id cut putins penis OFF,force it up obamas ANUS!!!! Mmmmmmm,observer

Anonymous said...

OH garder

Anonymous said...

exposed that little sales clerk, then we will get to the truth....Oprah could also multiply the Trayvon Martin Scholarship fund.

Anonymous said...

These are Al Qaeda rebels...on every side of the conflicts in Syria, including terrorists for hire IMO

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't necessarily give all the credit to Putin...it was Kerrry's offer that Putin accepted. They are negotiating peace.

Sus said...

As Peter says...follow the pronouns. It is then easy to see what Putin is committed to and what he is distancing himself from.

Notice how Putin speaks in passive tense. Also how many names he has for the opposition to Asaad. He is deceptive.
Oh, and look where he speaks in the negative....man oh man...he is full of it.

Putin tells us in the first sentence and then the last what is truly on his mind.

"..the events SURROUNDING Syria... not in Syria, but surrounding it.
Of course, his ending is that "we are equal. " Putin wants on center stage.

Anonymous said...

.the events SURROUNDING Syria...newspapers in the region report that the borders around Syria are constantly crossed, by refugees and all the various soldiers from all the different groups fighting in the area.

Anonymous said...

I love when people from other countries utilize America's exceptionally free speech. Putin's spin is a half truth: many of the weapons used in the wars he mentions have Made in Russia stamped on them, he also forgot to mention how the Russians are overwhelmingly ambivalent about Syria and the consensus was to remain out of the conflict.

Anonymous said...

I'm happy he rose to the occasion. Why the need for the letter?

Sus said...

"Why the letter?"

It's all about Putin being on the international playing field.
"I welcome the president's interest in continuing the dialog WITH RUSSIA on Syria." Uh huh...notice Putin puts Russia ( meaning himself ) between the president and Syria.

"It will be OUR shared success."

"MY working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by GROWING trust."
Hmmm. Now it is no longer "our", but "my". Putin knows that to be on the international stage he has to work with Obama. And if the trust is "growing", it was small or nonexistent to begin with.

"I appreciate this." Oh my! Coming after the statement before it, it is Obama who does not trust Putin. Putin appreciates this chance...Obama's trust.

Putin should not be trusted.

Sus said...

One more. Peter underlined "insufficient " in the first paragraph. I don't know why Peter did, but here is my take on the phrase "insufficient communication ".

The U.S. cancelled their talks with Putin set for last week because they felt there really wasn't anything more to discuss with him on Syria. Putin changed that, didn't he? He put himself smack in the middle.

observer GO AWAY PLEASE VANISH! said...

GO away FAtty!!

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john said...

OT..

The tidal wave of lies over Maddie:

Tearful Kate McCann says detective's book added to my family's torment.

"I'm here today for Madeleine,and OBVIOUSLY i strongly hope for justice. I'm here to stop the damage that has been caused and is still being caused,both directly and indirectly to the search for OUR daughter,and to stop the da..the suffering that has been caused to our family and will carry on being caused to our family if the theories of Goncalo Amaral in his book and documentary go unchallenged and that's why im here,thank you.
...................................

"I'm here today for Madeleine,and OBVIOUSLY i strongly hope for justice.

Here we see kate use the word OBVIOUSLY..The shortest sentence is always the best,yet she qualifies it by saying "OBVIOUSLY" which weakens her words.Take this word out of the sentence and it still gets the message across,and sounds more emfattic.

"i strongly HOPE for justice"

Why does she only HOPE,i would WANT justice..

"I'm here to stop the damage that has been caused and is still being caused,both directly and indirectly to the search for OUR daughter,"

We do expect to hear a mother say "my" rather than "our",Especially in a missing person case,and that she is on her own without Gerry.

Kate uses the personal pronoun "I" up until she mentions the search for Madeleine,she then switches to OUR daughter,why the need to share and distance herself from the search.She keeps using "OUR" when talking about the damage its caused.Why dosnt she say the damage its caused to my family and take possession of her family.


"and to stop the DA..the suffering that has been caused to our family..

What was Kate going to say here,she self edits.This tells us there is missing information..She again doesn't take possession of her family by using OUR instead of my..

Are her and Gerry not getting on,are they drifting apart?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418426/Kate-McCann-arrives-Portugal-ahead-1million-libel-trial-Portuguese-police-chief.html#ixzz2el2mJSTo

Anonymous said...

and to stop the DA..
My guess is ... damage..

Hobnob said...

off topic

A Georgia teenager convicted of shooting dead a baby was sentenced to life in prison on Thursday, with no parole.

Baby Antonio's mother had asked the judge to punish 18-year-old De'Marquise Elkins for 'taking the love of my life'.

Her 13-month-old son was shot in the head in his stroller, as Elkins tried to rob Antonio's mother, Sherry West, in March.

Elkins showed no emotion as he was sentenced in a courtroom less than two weeks after a jury found him guilty of murder.

'His first word was never heard. His first sentence was never said,' Ms West said as she took to the witness stand.

She had been walking Antonio in his stroller on March 21 when he was shot between the eyes in the coastal city of Brunswick.
Ms West, and a younger teenager charged as an accomplice, both testified that Elkins had killed the baby after his mother refused to hand over her purse.

Elkins' trial was moved more than 300 miles away to the Atlanta suburbs because of pretrial publicity.

He was spared the death penalty because he was only 17 when the killing took place, which the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled is too young to face capital punishment.

Under Georgia law, the only possible punishments for Elkins were life with or without a chance of parole.

His defense attorneys told Superior Court Judge Stephen Kelley that life without parole was too harsh for such a young defendant.

They introduced court documents from the past seven years showing Elkins had been neglected by his mother who struggled with drug abuse and sometimes left him home alone without food.

The judge not only gave Elkins the maximum possible punishment for his murder conviction, but also sentenced him to 105 additional years in prison for other counts including aggravated assault and attempted armed robbery.

That included 30 years for shooting and wounding a pastor outside his church 10 days before Antonio was shot.

'We're definitely disappointed with the ruling,' defense attorney Kevin Gough said. 'Life without parole for a juvenile, our position remains, is cruel and unusual punishment.'

Mr Gough said he plans to appeal the verdict and the sentence. Elkins would have been eligible for parole in 30 years had that been allowed as part of his sentence.

Ultimately the judge sided with prosecutors who spoke of the brutal circumstances of the crime and because Elkins avoided facing the death penalty only because he was a few months shy of his 18th birthday.

Anonymous said...

Their friend Susan Hubbard, the wife of an Anglican minister who counselled the McCanns after Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday resort in Praia da Luz, said: ‘The thought that most people in Portugal thought Madeleine was dead was devastating for both Kate and Gerry – and the thought that was added, that they had something to do with it.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418426/Kate-McCann-arrives-Portugal-ahead-1million-libel-trial-Portuguese-police-chief.html#ixzz2el2mJSTo

Hobnob said...

'He aimed that gun right between that baby's eyes and shot that baby,' district attorney Jackie Johnson said. 'I don't know of a more inhumane act or wantonly vile act ... than to aim a gun at a sleeping baby in a stroller and take that baby's life.'

At trial, prosecutors said Ms West had been pushing her son home from a post office when two teenagers approached her just a few blocks from her apartment.

Dominique Lang, 15, testified at trial that he was with Elkins when the older teenager pulled a gun and demanded Ms West's purse.

When she refused, Lang said, Elkins twice threatened her baby and counted down from five.

Ms West testified that she pleaded with Elkins that she had no money and tried to cover her child with her arms as he fired a warning sho into her leg before shooting her baby.

She told the judge Elkins deserved 'a life in prison'.

'The love of my life was taken away,' she said. 'All I can do is cry and wonder when I'm going to die.'

Elkins' mother, Karimah, stood trial alongside her son and was convicted of tampering with evidence after helping to dispose of the gun. His sister and aunt have also been charged with trying to help him avoid prosecution.

Police recovered a .22-caliber revolver from a pond, and prosecutors said it matched the gun used in the killing.

Lang is also facing murder charges but no trial date has been set.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419756/Life-sentence-teenager-shot-dead-13-month-old-baby-boys-mother-refused-hand-purse.html

Hobnob said...

off topic

First witness is Susan Hubbard, friend and priest's wife

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 2m
#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns had to use all their energy to defend themselves instead of searching for Madeleine


martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 2m
#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns devastated because book made everyone believe Madeleine was dead ( so how do they expalin away all the sightings? :) )

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 22s
#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns could not believe Mr Amaral was allowed to write his book "without any facts."



What is interesting to note is the mccanns will not apparantly take the stand, they will have witnesses speak for them. This strikes me as odd. I would have thought they would be fighting to get on the stand and testify how their reputations have been harmed as has the search. Instead they are getting friends to speak for them which in my book counts as hearsay.
The mccanns won't take the stand because they would be open to cross questioning and since they are under oath, would face perjury charges everytime they opened their mouths.
Plaintiffs should be forced to take the stand in libel cases to tell how they have been harmed, since kate and gerry have not been harmed by the book or documentary since there are still occassional (paid for usually) sightings and the search has not been harmed ( sightings and a new investigation) plus kate admitted to hindering the search by not answering 48 questions, toss the case and pay up to the defendants.

Hobnob said...

Boy, 17, and pregnant 16-year-old girlfriend arrested for 'shooting his mother and leaving her bleeding in front of home for hours' after teen tearfully told TV reporters she 'couldn't believe' someone would shoot the woman

Elizabeth Fowler, 16, and Daniel Rhoney, 17, have been arrested for shooting Rhoney's mother in the head
Police allege the pair beat and shot Sherri Rhoney after she told the parents-to-be to leave her house
Sherri Rhoney was left bleeding on her front lawn and was discovered by police officers hours after the shooting
She is in a serious condition in hospital
Fowler and Rhoney are charged with attempted murder and will be tried as adults

A pregnant 16-year-old girl and her 17-year-old boyfriend have been arrested after police discovered a woman lying, bleeding from a gunshot wound to the head, in front of her North Carolina home.

Daniel Rhoney and Elizabeth Paige Fowler have been charged with attempted murder in the shooting of Rhoney's mother, Sherri Rhoney, and are being held at the Catawba County Sheriff's Office.

Just hours earlier, Fowler spoke to reporters about arriving home to find the injured woman bleeding in the yard.

Sherri Rhoney was found beaten and covered in blood in her front yard by off-duty deputies on Wednesday morning and was airlifted to Carolinas Medical Center with serious injuries.

The Hickory Record reports that Fowler told investigators that she and her boyfriend Daniel Rhoney had pulled into the driveway and found Sherri Rhoney covered in blood and unresponsive.

'It scared me to death and we got out and tried to help her and I didn't know what to do,' a crying Fowler told reporters on Eyewitness News.

According to the Charlotte Observer, Daniel Rhoney and Elizabeth Fowler were inside Sherri Rhoney's Old Shelby Road house at the time of the discovery.

Reporters spoke to the teenagers at the scene, who were tearful and denied any knowledge of the shooting.

'She's a very helpful woman. I'm seven months pregnant and she has done everything for me and my child. I can't believe somebody would hurt her,' Fowler said on camera.

Sheriff Coy Reid said investigators had determined that Daniel Rhoney shot his mother in the head following an argument, and that Fowler had participated in beating the woman before she was shot.

'They lied to you,' Reid told Eyewitness News later. 'No doubt in my mind about that.'

According to Reid, Sherri Rhoney was conscious in hospital briefly and was able to tell him what happened.

Sherri Rhoney told the sheriff that an argument broke out after she told her son that he and his pregnant girlfriend would have to move out of her home.

According to WBTV, Sherri Rhoney was left lying in the grass bleeding for several hours before the police officers happened to drive by and saw the critically injured woman.

Daniel Rhoney and Elizabeth Fowler will be tried as adults. They are scheduled to appear in court for the first time tomorrow.

Police are currently searching to home for the weapon used in the shooting.

Sherri Rhoney is in a critical condition in hospital and has undergone several surgeries.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418872/Pregnant-girl-16-17-year-old-boyfriend-shot-mother-left-bleeding-home-hours.html




john said...

Things that make you go Mmmm

Their friend Susan Hubbard, the wife of an Anglican minister who counselled the McCanns after Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday resort in Praia da Luz, said: ‘The thought that most people in Portugal thought Madeleine was dead was devastating for both Kate and Gerry – And the thought that was added.’"THAT THEY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418426/Kate-McCann-arrives-Portugal-ahead-1million-libel-trial-Portuguese-police-chief.html#ixzz2el2mJSTo

TrishapatK said...

Going back to Vladimir Putin's statement. I read an article about what he DIDN'T say - it provides important context or relevant information to help understand him. ( although the subject is supposed to be dead in order to do SA correctly) I'll leave a link but also copy it here. It is written by Anna Neistat and is titled "What Putin Didn't tell the American People"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-neistat/what-putins-op-ed-forgot_b_3914154.html


It's not what Vladimir Putin's New York Times op-ed says that's so worrisome; it's what it doesn't say. As a Russian and as someone who has been to Syria multiple times since the beginning of the conflict to investigate war crimes and other violations, I would like to mention a few things Putin overlooked.

There is not a single mention in Putin's article, addressed to the American people, of the egregious crimes committed by the Syrian government and extensively documented by the UN Commission of Inquiry, local and international human rights groups, and numerous journalists: deliberate and indiscriminate killings of tens of thousands of civilians, executions, torture, enforced disappearances and arbitrary arrests. His op-ed also makes no mention of Russia's ongoing transfer of arms to Assad throughout the past two and a half years.

The Russian president strategically emphasizes the role of Islamic extremists in the Syrian conflict. Yes, many rebel groups have committed abuses and atrocities. Yet Putin fails to mention that it is the Syrian government that is responsible for shooting peaceful protesters (before the conflict even started) and detaining and torturing their leaders -- many of whom remain detained -- and that the continued failure of the international community to respond to atrocities in Syria allows crimes on all sides to continue unaddressed.

Putin's plea to use the United Nations Security Council to resolve the conflict sounds great, until you remember that, from the very start of this conflict, Russia has vetoed or blocked any Security Council action that may bring relief to Syria's civilians or bring perpetrators of abuses in Syria to account.

While Russia's proposal for international monitoring of Syria's chemical weapons is a welcome step, it will do nothing to bring justice to hundreds of victims of the latest attack, let alone to thousands of others, killed by conventional weapons. And when Putin squarely blames the opposition for the August 21 chemical attack -- against all available evidence and without presenting a shred of his own evidence -- one can only wonder why Russia remains so vehemently opposed to referring Syria to the International Criminal Court, an action that would be fully in line with international law, which Putin seems so keen to uphold in his op-ed, and would enable an investigation into abuses by both sides of the conflict.

Finally, the sincerity of Putin's talk about democratic values and international law is hard to take seriously when back home his own government continues to throw activists in jail, threatens to close NGOs, and rubber-stamps draconian and discriminatory laws.

President Putin should give more credit to his audience: Russia will be judged by its actions, both on the international arena and domestically. So far, Russia has been a key obstacle to ending the suffering in Syria. A change towards a more constructive role would be welcome. But a compilation of half-truths and accusations is not the right way to signal such a change.

Anonymous said...

Give it a rest. None of us know all there is to know about any of it.

However, Russian President Putin has as much right to speak up on behalf of his country as US President Obama does for his country.

TrishapatK said...

to Anonymous @ 10:58

It wasn't kind to start your post with "Give it a rest". It isn't necessary to be nasty. If you don't want to read any more about this then you can give yourself a rest from it but but this post is about a certain topic and what I added is relevant.

You're stating the obvious when you say that none of us know all there is to know about it anyway.
Isn' it helpful for us to have more background information so that we all can know a bit more? I didn't say that I knew more about it than others or that now that my post is here that we all have all the information. I simply added someone else's article that pertained to the subject at hand.

It stinks when a simple post brings about a nasty response. It's demoralizing and makes coming to the site unpleasant.



Sus said...

"Russian President Putin has as much right to speak up on behalf of his country ..."

"THE WORLD reacts by asking..."

According to Putin, he is speaking for the world, not only his country.

Trishpack TURD! said...

Shut up u nasty evil TURD!

john said...

OT..

Will Casey Anthony finally have to break her silence?

An attorney for a woman who is suing Casey Anthony for defamation says Anthony can't plead the Fifth in an upcoming deposition.

An attorney for a woman who is suing Casey Anthony for defamation says Anthony will finally have to break her silence and answer questions about why she tried to cover up the fact that her child went missing in July of 2008.

Matt Morgan, who is representing Zenaida Gonzalez in the defamation lawsuit, told HLN Thursday that he believes Anthony will not be allowed to plead the Fifth Amendment in a deposition scheduled for October 9.

Gonzalez claims she was harassed and threatened by people in the community after Anthony devised a fictitious nanny named Zenaida Gonzalez-Fernandez -- also known as "Zanny the Nanny" -- and accused her of kidnapping Anthony's daughter Caylee.

A jury acquitted Anthony on July 5, 2011, of all charges related to her child's death, but convicted her of four counts of lying to law enforcement. She was sentenced to four years. With credit for time served, she was released on July 17.

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/09/12/casey-anthony-break-her-silence

Anonymous said...

No TrishapatK, your post is not relevant. None of them are, including my own.

Anonymous said...

From the KA Times: The FBI is doing similar stalking to me, they're killing me!
By Matt Pearce
September 12, 2013, 12:40 p.m.
The police found her at an abandoned cement plant at 2:30 a.m. on Tuesday. They were too late.

There were a few different ledges at the plant from which 12-year-old Rebecca Ann Sedwick, of Lakeland, Fla., could have jumped. One ledge reached up about 19 feet; another, about 24 feet; a third offered a 60-foot plunge to the ground.

In the end, the ledge she may have chosen does not matter, officials said: Rebecca had almost certainly jumped to her death, chased to that abandoned lot by a vicious, relentless cloud of cyberbullying that had followed her out of one school already and never let her go.

“We can see from what we've investigated so far that Rebecca wasn’t attacking back," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told reporters Thursday. "She appeared to be beat down. She appeared to have a defeatist attitude. And quite frankly, the entire investigation is exceptionally disturbing to the entire investigative team.”

Anonymous said...

They want me to be quiet about my murderous X.."SO nobody gets mad at me"

Anonymous said...

The FBI is creating a police state in America, they act like they're entitled to stalk the Americans that they work for, without just cause. It all started when I learned statement analysis on this very site. I discovered through statemant analysis my X was involved in organized crime and reported him to the FBI. Their response has been abysmal.

Anonymous said...

The FBI revealed to me their lack of knowledge in statement analysis, their inept interrogation techniques, and their over reliance on electronic surveillance ( this is where they gather information that they are unable to comprehend). They've gone as far as to encourage me to kill myself. Disgusting what a rotten center the government harbors.

Trigger said...

"I know in my heart of hearts that my son is innocent."

Statement of Diane Bishop, mother of Matt Bishop accused in gang rape of 16 year old classmate.

Trial is pending in N. C.


"I did nothing wrong."

Statement of Matt Bishop son of Diane Bishop when asked if he raped the girl that accused him.


Anonymous said...

Statement of Diane Bishop, mother of Matt Bishop accused in gang rape of 16 year old classmate.

Trial is pending in N. C.

Trigger, is this a case that was featured on this blog?

Anonymous said...

Do you think fat people are naturally deceptive....thus they get fat as a deceptive disguise? Sort of like the hippo or elephant hiding inside waiting to envelope the deceiver in a cloak of undistinguishable fatness??

Anonymous said...

Like a wolf in elephant clothing.

Anonymous said...

A researcher whose work was cited by the Secretary of State, John Kerry, and Senator John McCain in their attempts to persuade Congress to take military action in Syria has been fired for lying about her academic credentials.

Elizabeth O’Bagy was an analyst at the influential think-tank the Institute for the Study of War, and had travelled to Syria several times to report on the conflict. At the height of the debate over whether the US should intervene in Syria she penned an opinion column for The Wall Street Journal to drum up support for intervention.

In her piece, “On the front lines of Syria’s civil war,” Ms O’Bagy argued that the influence of extremists among rebels in Syria was inflated by the media, and that moderate forces made up a significant part of those fighting to remove President Bashar al-Assad.

Mr McCain called it “an important op-ed by Dr Elizabeth O’Bagy”. The next day, Mr Kerry brought up the piece before a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, describing it as “very interesting” and recommending that members read it.

But soon after the piece was shared far and wide by the influential lawmakers, questions began to arise about Ms O’Bagy’s links to a lobby group connected to the Syrian opposition.

The Journal was forced to post a clarification that “Ms O’Bagy is affiliated with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a nonprofit operating as a 501(c)(3) pending IRS approval that subcontracts with the US and British governments to provide aid to the Syrian opposition”.

But as more people began to delve into Ms O’Bagy’s past, it emerged that she had lied about her academic credentials, and was swiftly fired from the Institute, which said in a statement, “... contrary to her representations, Ms Elizabeth O’Bagy does not in fact have a PhD from Georgetown University...”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-syria-analyst-cited-by-john-kerry-is-fired-over-dodgy-cv-8812968.html

Anonymous said...

Anon September 13, 2013 at 9:02 PM and 9:00 PM
That's bullying! That's what the FBI is doing to me, because I sent my son to live with his criminal/ organized crime father that he hadn't seen since he was a toddler. Now they are bullying me by insinuating things about him!

Anonymous said...

One of the FBI guys was kind enough to talk to me . His advice was to stop doing statement analysis SO people wouldn't get mad at me.

Anonymous said...

OT: An attorney for Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, said he can prove she was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School in northwest Portland on the day he disappeared.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school

john said...

OT..

Maddie libel case suspended in Portugal.

Libel proceedings brought by the parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann against a former Portuguese detective who wrote a book about the case have been abruptly suspended.

http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8723141/maddie-libel-case-suspended-in-portugal

Apple said...

OT:
We are awaiting justice for you, Ayla.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/13/justice/maine-missing-toddler-ayla-reynolds/index.html?c=us&page=0

Anonymous said...

I think we might have a long wait, Apple. With all the blood and saliva Trisha claims to have seen in the evidence local PO showed her back in January, plus Justins' footprints in the blood, it is certain that little Ayla could not have survived her injuries and loss of blood, plus, I believe in another interview Trista stated that Aylas' blood was found in Justins' truck; yet LE has done nothing in regards to filing charges against him and the members of his family who are withhold information.

What irritates me is why Trista has been holding onto and dangling the exposure of this info since January, now claiming she has more info to expose later this month. So what's the big deal; why doesn't she just expose whatever this mysterious info is that she claims to have? Why the guessing games?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 10:45; if Terri Hormon can prove she was not the last one to see Kyron at his school, why hasn't she already done that? This is the first thing I would have done, loud and clear.

Nic said...

He puts American people before politicians. So the message is intended/directed more for the US people rather than the politicians.

He's quite clear about process and the American politicians being "rogue".

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades. No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization. The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders

Note, the he brings the Pope and God into the dialgue. More so to speak a "language" that would resonate with the American people. i.e., In God We Trust.

IMO, he was getting nowhere with the American politicians and didn't trust them to deliver a truthful message to the American people. Thus he cicumvented the American spin doctors and spoke directly to The People.

Interesting, too, that at the same time he was doing this, he was directing the US to "stand down". They were out of bounds and they knew it. Hence BO's wishy-washy flip-flop in his address to the American people.

jmo

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anon @ 10:45; if Terri Hormon can prove she was not the last one to see Kyron at his school, why hasn't she already done that? This is the first thing I would have done, loud and clear.

September 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

________

I am anon 10:45, I agree with you. I posted this article because it is one of the cases we have analyzed and I thought this was relevant and interesting...I believe Terri is culpable no matter how her lawyer chooses to spin it.

we bring freshness we are anti chimp said...

I bet hes à chimp!!!!

Anonymous said...

STOP lying.IM Anon @10:45 NOT YOU.Lying bastard.

Hobnob said...

off topic

A judge has ruled that Bob Bashara will stand trial for his wife's murder after hearing a week of testimony from witnesses who detailed Bashara's bizarre and kinky extramarital affairs with women that he kept in a sex dungeon.

When making the judgment, Judge Kenneth King said he considered the range of evidence, including Bashara's alleged relationship with his wife's admitted killer, Joe Gentz, as well as his false alibis and murder for hire allegations.

'This is way too bizarre,' King said.

Bashara's wife, Jane Bashara, was found strangled in her SUV on Detroit’s east side in January 2012.

Several women have testified to having BDSM relationships with Bashara, including the latest, Venita Porter, who said she used to live in a sex dungeon that Bashara kept in the basement of a property, according to the Detroit Free Press.
Porter said she had a three-year relationship with Bashara and that she attended church with him and his wife every Sunday, as well as went to volleyball games involving Bashara's daughter.

She said she once found Bashara in the dungeon with his former mistress, Rachel Gillett, and she flew into a rage.

'There was going to be sex,' Porter said. 'I went absolutely crazy.'

Some time after the falling out, Jane was killed and Bashara sought Porter out. She said he changed his alibi for the day of Jane's death.

She also said that during a meeting once in Hines Park, Bashara 'grabbed me by my neck, lifted me to my toes, and kissed me.

'I kept my hand on my box cutters in my pocket, and I hoped that I was going to live.'

Also testifying Friday was Larry Ellington, a convicted felon who shared a cell with Bashara in prison.

Hobnob said...

He testified that Bashara approached him about killing three people, including Gentz and Steve Tibaudo, a furniture dealer who caught Bashara on tape soliciting someone to kill Gentz.

'He wanted them hit,' Ellington testified.
Earlier in the week, the court heard from Janet Leehmann, whom Bashara had been grooming to join him and his mistress in a kinky three-way relationship. She described how he made her call him 'Master Bob' and sent her dirty letters, a leather collar and a T-shirt he had worn for three days straight so she could smell his scent.

Leehmann, who Bashara met on the BDSM website, took the stand on Thursday after Rachel Gillett told the courtroom she regularly engaged in 'breath play' with the accused wife murderer and agreed to having a polyamourous relationship to stop him cheating. 'Breath play' involves near-asphyxiation while engaging in an act of sex.

Leehmann testified that Bashara planned a trip from grosse Pointe Park, Michigan to Oregon to visit her in January 2012, shortly before his wife, Jane Bashara, was killed.

Prior to him arriving he sent her numerous notes and messages including one saying: 'Hello SJ (her alt.com name). Soon you will feel my strength and passion.'

He also described how Gillett loved breath play - an erotic choking game.

'I can choke her just enough to make her woozy,' Leehmann recalled Bashara telling her of Gillett. 'I can do the same to you.'

And when he arrived at her home he did.

'He was standing behind me, he wrapped his hands around my neck and I passed out cold,' she testified. When asked by Lindsay if she consented to the asphyxiation, she said, 'no, not really.'

Leehmann said he responded: 'Well little girl you should have told me you were getting bad, I could have stopped.'

When asked if they engaged in sexual contact, she said no, adding that she was surprised.

'It doesn't work, his private parts,' she told the courtroom.

'I was surprised. He said he thinks it has to do with his weight.'

She said that while he was visiting her he spent long periods of time on the phone and she overheard one conversation which got extremely heated and left Bashara angry.

'He said "I want this done, I want it done this weekend. What the f*** is wrong with you." It was the most agitated I'd ever seen him,' she testified.

When she asked who was on the phone, she said he told her it was a handyman.
She said he left for home not long after.
On January 18 or 19 she said she received a call from Bashara.

'He asked if knew anyone that would rough someone up for money,' she said adding that a handyman had done him wrong. He later said he wanted to rough up Gillett's boss as well, as he allegedly intended to fire her.

Leehmann said she told him to go to the police.

Bashara, 55, of Grosse Pointe Park, Michigan is charged with hiring his handyman, Joseph Gentz, to kill his wife, Jane Bashara. She was strangled to death in her car on January 24, 2012.

Earlier, Bashara's former mistress testified about the couple's kinky sex life after his daughter described finding dirty text messages on her father's cell phone and catching him on pornography websites.

Gillett testified on Wednesday afternoon that she met 'Master Bob' in 2008 on an alternative lifestyle website and the two began dating. She described how she went to the 'dungeon' in the basement of one of the church-going businessman's many rental properties and took part in BDSM including choking each other for fun.

Six minutes into Gillett's testimony, on the third day of Bashara's preliminary exam on murder and other charges, the courtroom was plunged into darkness after a power outage that forced an evacuation of the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice in Detroit.

Hobnob said...

However, during the brief testimony she revealed she and Bashara often engaged in 'breath play' — or erotic choking — after meeting on the website alt.com.

'We had a few emails and phone calls ... then we went to the dungeon below one of his rental properties (the Hard Luck Lounge in Grosse Pointe Park),' said Gillett, who went by the screen name 'Bella' on alt.com

Gillett returned to the stand on Thursday morning, and explained how Bashara told her he was going to leave his wife for her and that the couple were looking for a man or woman to join them in a 'polyamorous' relationship.

She admitted that she knew he continued to sleep with other women who he found on alt.com and believed granting his request of including another person in their relationship would stop him playing around.

Crying, she said: 'We had talked about bringing another person into the relationship. We had talked about both scenarios (male and female). I thought it would stop him from cheating.

'He assured me if we had someone else in our relationship he promised he would stop (cheating).

She added: 'I didn't want to lose him.'

Earlier on Wednesday, Bashara's daughter, Jessica Bashara, testified that she walked in on her father while he was looking at the BDSM website and various pornography sites.

During her 27 minutes on the stand, the University of Michigan student remained composed but wrung her hands as she explained the discovery upset her and her mother, whom she told.

Miss Bashara also described how she found a text message that said, 'Get on your knees and give me h***, b****' on her father's cell phone.

'My mother confronted my father about it,' she said. 'I showed my father the text message and asked him what it was. He asked to look at (the) phone, deleted the message, handed it back and said there were no messages like that on his phone.'

Prosecutor Lisa Lindsey asked: 'So he lied to your face?' To which Miss Bashara replied: 'Yes.'

With her father starring at her in the court room, she said she confronted her father about having an affair after such allegations emerged in the media. She said Bashara denied the accusations before finally confessing, though he claimed the relationship was non-sexual.

However, Miss Bashara said she later found a card written by her father to Gillett which said: 'The sex was great.'

When she asked him to explain, her father lied about it, she testified.

'He still denied having sex because he said he wasn't physically capable, but there are other ways of having sex, which I didn't question,' she said.

Miss Bashara, who was away at college in Ann Arbor when her mother was killed, testified about her parents' fraught relationship and said they were having counseling.

The young woman said she last spoke to her mother on January 24, 2012, as Jane Bashara drove from work shortly after 4 p.m.

Some five hours later, she got a call from her father, who said he was concerned because her mother hadn't come home yet, and he didn't know where she was. She said her mother had many friends and was a member of many clubs and societies so she found the call strange.

However. the next morning when her mother still hadn't shown up she became worried.

She called around some hotels, thinking she may have booked a room to get some space from her father but had no luck.

Soon after, her father called again.

'This time, he told me that my mother was dead,' she said.

She explained that e father gave multiple stories as to what happened, including a random car hijacking.

Hobnob said...

On Monday, prosecutors in the murder trial of the disgraced Michigan businessman said the 55-year-old wanted his wife dead in part because she would not participate in his BDSM lifestyle, where he acted as a sex slave master dubbed 'Master Bob.'

Bashara, who is already serving up to 20 years in prison in a separate but related murder-for-hire plot, was charged in April with first-degree murder in connection to his wife's slaying.

Jane Bashara's body was found in her Mercedes-Benz in a Detroit alley, a few miles from the couple's home in the affluent suburb of Grosse Pointe Park.

Handyman Joseph Gentz has pleaded guilty to strangling her, saying Robert Bashara commissioned him.

Mr Bashara was later convicted of trying to hire someone to kill Gentz in jail. He has denied involvement in his wife's death.

During the first day of Bashara's preliminary examination Monday, witnesses testified about the couple's marital problems and Bashara's BDSM lifestyle, which his wife had wanted no part in, The Detroit Free Press reported.

The defendant’s former business associate Robert Godard Jr told the court that the married father of two had operated a sex dungeon under a bar he owned called the Hard Luck Lounge, where he would bring different women for kinky sex parties.

But according to Godard, of all Bashara's sexual partners, one woman had stood out.
The witness testified that Bashara started a relationship with Rachel Gillett, and the two were planning to buy a $245,000 house and start a life together.

According to earlier reports, Gillett believed that Bashara was divorced or separated from his wife of 26 years during their three-year relationship.

In April 2012, then-51-year-old Gillett filed a restraining order against Bashara saying that she was terrified that she will suffer the same fate as his wife.

According to police sources, the couple planned to set up a sex 'playhouse' on their new property just blocks away from his family home, where Bashara wanted to house a ‘harem’ of women to serve him.

Godard told the court that his friend's relationship with his wife was on the rocks because Jane Bashara, a marketing executive, refused to participate in her husband's unconventional sex life.

He also recalled one conversation with Mr Bashara in which the 55-year-old property owner mentioned that he was looking to hire someone to 'put a hurt' on a tenant with whom he had a problem.

Also on Monday, Jane Bashara's best friend, Patricia Matthews, testified that the woman had complained numerous times about her husband, whom she had accused of lying to her and stealing money from her.

'Bob always lies. Bob always lies,' Matthews said Jane Bashara told her. 'She couldn't count on what he said.'
On one occasion, Jane's friend told the court, Robert Bashara told his wife he was going on a golf trip to Florida with a friend. But when she called her husband's supposed travel companion, the man informed her that he had not seen Mr Bashara in three years.

Hobnob said...


As another example of her husband's alleged dishonesty, Jane Bashara cited the fact that Bob took $10,000 from her 401(k) account without her permission, prompting her to change her passwords, Miss Matthews said Monday.

Matthews further told the court her friend confided in her that even though her spouse was a 'flirt,' he suffered from erectile dysfunction and the couple had a mostly sexless marriage.

The mother of two also had mentioned to Matthews that their children once caught Mr Bashara watching 'weird porn' at home, and that he offered to divorce Jane when the kids finished high school.

'She said Bob has no boundaries,' Miss Matthews said, according to The Daily Tribune.

Bashara's mother, Nancy Bashara, and his cousin, Stephanie Samuel, testified about discovering a .32 caliber revolver in a bank safe deposit box they shared. The gun was later found in possession of Bashara's attorney.

On Tuesday, the court heard from Dr. Francisco Diaz, assistant medical examiner in Wayne County, who testified that Jane Bashara died from a combination of injuries, which included repeated blunt force trauma and strangulation resulting in her windpipe being crushed, The Detroit News reported.

During the coroner's testimony, Robert Bashara, who previously appeared impassive, was seen dabbing his eyes with a tissue and lowering his head.

Bashara is currently serving a minimum prison sentence of 6 1/2 years for trying to have Gentz killed in the county jail last year. He faces life in prison without parole if convicted of the new charges against him.

Last December, Gentz pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and agreed to cooperate with authorities.

'Bob Bashara offered me money to kill his wife,' he told a judge. 'He threatened he would kill me if I didn't kill his wife.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420463/Bob-Bashara-trial-Third-mistress-testifies-businessman-accused-having-hitman-kill-wife-start-polyamorous-BDSM-life.html

Hobnob said...

off topic

Amanda Knox's former boyfriend has claimed Italian police tried to bribe him into framing her for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher - and revealed his fears 'out of control' Knox would do the same to him.

Raffaele Sollecito says 'sneaky' officers instigated a string of approaches from a prison guard, other inmates and even his family as he and his American lover were awaiting trial for the 21-year-old's murder in Perugia, Italy.

But Italian Sollecito, 29, said he refused to point the finger of blame at Knox to save his own skin because he was 'really fond of her'.

Yet he admits he was terrified Knox, who he had been dating for just a week before the 2007 killing, would do a deal to stitch him up because she was 'out of control'.
Sollecito and Knox, 26, were convicted of Meredith’s murder in 2009 then cleared on appeal two years later.

But Italy’s highest court later threw out the acquittals and the pair face a new trial, beginning later this month.

Sollecito claimed detectives told him he would be released immediately if he distanced himself from Knox, saying he should pretend he couldn't remember anything or that he was sleeping in order for the prosecution to catch her.

But Sollecito said in the Daily Mirror: 'They did not persuade me. It was the most sneaky situation. I couldn’t invent anything.'

But he still 'feared Amanda' and added: 'I knew her for a short time, a week, and in reality I did not really know this woman. I was scared because she was out of control at the police station. She had been making crazy statements and everything was just wrong.

'I thought she could make a deal to blame me. I was scared of that.'

Knox was jailed for 26 years and Sollecito for 25 following the trial in 2009.

Italian Sollecito said the first 'deal' was when he was in solitary confinement and came about when he his father tried to speak to the proseuction and was told to pass on the message his son should keep his distance from Knox.

Other family members urged Sollecito to take the deal and free himself, but he refused to be persuaded and wrote a letter to his nearest and dearest vowing to stand by Knox.

Sollecito claimed police then began trying to get him to turn against Knox and that, unless he distanced himself from the American, he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

He claims this message was passed to his family in no uncertain terms.

His father was allegedly approached by a Perugia lawyer offering a similar deal.

Prosecutors claimed that Leeds ­University exchange student Meredith had her throat slashed when a drug-fuelled sex game went wrong.

Her grieving family, from Coulsdon, Surrey, were devastated when Knox and Sollecito were freed on appeal but vowed to keep Meredith’s memory alive.

They have kept out of the public eye and refused to read the books that Knox and Sollecito wrote about their 'ordeal'.

But in March the family welcomed news of the retrial and hoped they would finally get answers.

Hobnob said...

No murder weapon was ever found, DNA tests were faulty and prosecutors provided no motive for murder.

The pair, along with a third man, were accused of killing Meredith when she refused to participate in the sex game at her hillside home.

In a series of confused interviews after their arrest Knox initially claimed to have witnessed the murder and named a local bar owner as the killer.

She later withdrew the statement, insisting it had been made under duress, and said she had been at Sollecito’s student apartment throughout the night – which he confirmed.

The pair met at a classical music concert and became lovers within hours. Meredith was murdered just a week later.

Sollecito said the pair 'were like teenagers in a fantasy romance' but then became friends bonded by the tragedy. The couple were photographed being reunited in New York earlier this year – but he insists there is no romance.

Sollecito is often asked if he wished he had never met Knox. He said: 'No, I don’t think like that. I don’t blame her, it is not her fault this nightmare. It is others.'

And he claimed his own life is 'in limbo', and that he is without a home. He fears he is a target in Italy for those who still believe he and Knox were involved and worries police will try to seek revenge by planting drugs in his car.

He has tried to settle in Lugano, Switzerland, and set up a computer software firm – but was kicked out by the Swiss authorities because he failed to disclose details of the murder charges.

Sollecito then went to stay with relatives in the US and even got marriage proposals from female murder trial 'groupies'.

He has now moved to a secret location in the Caribbean, where he is currently trying to establish a business.'

Knox’s lawyers have insisted she will not be at the retrial in Florence and Sollecito said he will wait until after the first of eight scheduled hearings to see 'which way the court is going'.

Sollecito feels victimised and slammed the police handling of the case, saying everything about the investigation was handled 'wrong' and that officers were 'incompetent' and 'fools'.

Despite his own grievances, he insists he hasn't forgotten the pain of Meredith's family, saying he 'can't imagine their suffering'.

But he urged them to read the case documents and ask questions about what really happened instead of sticking by the 'theory' of what happened.

'If you accept only the prosecution case you will never find what is right and what really happened,' he added.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420623/Amanda-Knoxs-ex-claims-Italian-police-wanted-frame-murder--scared-control.html

rocked said...

http://mobile.newschannel5.com/webapp/news/article/lns/1117327027/grandson-accused-of-beating-grandfather


Grandson Accused Of Beating Grandfather

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – A Rutherford County man has been accused of physically assaulting his grandfather.

Officials with the Murfreesboro Police Department said the 74-year-old victim was taken to an area hospital after he was severely beaten. The victim's grandson, 36-year-old Michael Heaverin, was charged with domestic abuse after the attack.

Investigators said the incident happened earlier this week at a home near Ark Lane in Murfreesboro.

"This type of case is certainly not one that our officers are used to getting," said Kyle Evans, with the Murfreesboro Police Department. "Most elderly abuse crimes involve financial or neglect cases."

Detectives said the suspect was intoxicated when he returned to the home and told police he began beating his grandfather after his dog angered him.

According to police reports, the victim was stomped multiple times, causing severe injuries. He suffered two broken ribs, a broken elbow, a collapsed lung and a head fracture.

"This man is in his 70s, and he was basically beaten by someone he trusted," said Evans.

Police said the suspect had a lengthy criminal history.

Investigators said Heaverin could be facing more severe charges, including elder abuse and felony aggravated assault.

The suspect and victim's family declined to comment.


rocked said...

Meant to say above is OT

john said...

OT..

Hope Furry Missing:

Police, Family Ask For Help Finding Pennsylvania Teen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/hope-furry-missing_n_3920173.html

Anonymous said...

Nic quoted "will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders"
Assad is a weak leader of a poor country. He admits to having chemical weapons, he admits the fighting opposition has chemical weapons, he and local reporters suggest the opposition exists within his own military, the borders of his country are being crossed by fighters from all sides. Chemical weapons were discovered by pesticide makers. As long as these businesses continue to ship Human Pesticide (chemical weapons) into these completely unstable war areas, I think this prediction is valid ... "will result in more innocent victims "

Anonymous said...

they act like they're entitled to stalk the Americans that they work for... part of the bullying is because they've become obsessed with their self-justification for their predatory behaviors... to the point of blaming me for reacting to their stalking.

Anonymous said...

Note, the he brings the Pope and God into the dialogue...in other words a product designed to help supply food for human health is being sold as human pesticide. God have mercy on us. The companies that profited off the chemical weapon/human pesticide should be closed down and made to reimburse Syria in humanitarian aide.

john said...

OT..

War Veteran Murder: Teens Plead Not Guilty.

The pair are accused of punching to death the veteran who survived being shot during the Second World War.

http://news.sky.com/story/1141427/war-veteran-murder-teens-plead-not-guilty

Anonymous said...

Syria - a country of brotherhood
, unity, and tolerance. Syria -
a country destroyed by the criminal Assad regime ...and family, but
will be rebuilt by its children.

Great people of Syria,
your government will create
a strategic plan to execute this new phase.
It will work on the ground to support the efforts of the Supreme Military Council in organizing and developing military institutions.
It will support and provide humanitarian access and workers to ensure delivery of assistance to those in need.
It will lay the foundations of effective national institutions.
It will restore order and security, protect people's property, revive the economy and invest in national resources
to serve the welfare of the Syrian people.


This sounds like a military state. Who is the "it" in "it will lay foundations...restore property etc?
 
 http://www.etilaf.org/en/press/ahmad-tomehs-speech-newly-elected-head-of-syrian-interim-government.html

Nic said...

Anon @ 12:50AM...

I don't believe that the US not going in will preclude Assad from continuing to use chemical warfare on innocent people. Or that it be used by whomever, period.

I was merely illustrating that Putin was circumventing "the cone of silence" (in camera discussion between world leaders) so as to put political pressure (via US citizens) on BO from making like Superman and putting himself/the US above a UN agreement, and going to war. And how BO's willingness to circumvent the UN's consensus would have dire consequences for many, including US citizens. (Retaliation from (you fill in the blank)).

These are vulnerable times we live in. Pollyanna does not exist. This is reality TV of epic proportion with severe negative consequences.

jmo

Nic said...

Also Peter highlighted "growing truth". Meaning not entirely.

I don't believe that Putin trusted BO to be truthful to the US people. That BO would "embellish" the truth to justify disengaging from a UN agreement that is the foundation of the UN.

That's the thing living in today's global community the myriad of communication mediums. Everyone has access to information no matter what or where, whatever the time of day or night.

Anonymous said...

1902–1932
Unification of Saudi Arabia [a]
Emirate of Riyadh, Kingdom of Hejaz, Kuwaiti Emirate, Sultanate of Nejd, Transjordan, Mandatory Iraq, Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz
8,000-9,000(death toll)
1918–1922
Simko Shikak revolt[3][verification needed]
Persia
1,000-5,500
1919
Egyptian Revolution of 1919[4]
Sultanate of Egypt
3,000
1919–1923
Turkish War of Independence [b][verification needed]
 Turkey,  Greece,  Armenia,  Soviet Union
170,500-873,000
1919–2003
Iraqi-Kurdish conflict [c]
Iraq, Kingdom of Kurdistan
142,000-320,000
1920
Franco-Syrian War[citation needed]
Arab Kingdom of Syria, Occupied Enemy Territory Administration
5,000
1920
Iraqi revolt against the British[5][6]
Mandatory Iraq
2,050-9,000
1923
Adwan Rebellion
Transjordan
100
1924–1927
Great Syrian Revolt (Druze War)[7][verification needed]
Greater Lebanon, State of Syria, Jabal Druze, Alawite State
8,000-12,000
1925
Sheikh Said rebellion.[8]
 Turkey
15,000-250,500
1929
Palestine riots of 1929[9][10][verification needed]
 Mandatory Palestine
251
1930
Ararat rebellion[11][12][13][14][15]
 Turkey, Republic of Ararat
4,500-47,000
1933
Simele massacre[16]
 Kingdom of Iraq
300
1934
Saudi-Yemeni War[17]
 Saudi Arabia, Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen
2,100
1935
Imam Reza shrine rebellion[18]
 Iran
151
1935-1936
1935–1936 Iraqi Shia revolts
 Iraq
500
1935
1935 Yazidi revolt[16]
 Iraq
200
1936–1939
Arab Revolt in Palestine[19]
 Mandatory Palestine
5,000
1937
Dersim Rebellion[20][21][verification needed]
 Turkey
40,000-70,000
1939–1945
Middle East Theatre of World War II[22][d][verification needed]
 Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Greater Lebanon,  Mandatory Palestine, Syria
46,000
1944–1947
Jewish insurgency in Palestine[19][verification needed]
 Mandatory Palestine
1,000
1946
Egyptian Student Riots (1946)[23][verification needed][24]
Egypt
100-300
1946
Iran crisis of 1946[2][8][e]
 Iran,  Republic of Mahabad, Azerbaijan People's Government,  Soviet Union
2,000
1947-
Arab-Israeli conflict[f]
 Mandatory Palestine, Egypt, All-Palestine Government,  Egypt,  United Arab Republic,  Syrian Republic,  Syria,  Jordan,  Lebanon,  Israel,  Palestinian Authority
73,000-84,000
1948
Alwaziri coup[2]
Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen
4,000-5,000
1948
Al-Wathbah uprising[citation needed]
 Iraq
300-400
1952
Egyptian Revolution of 1952[2]
Egypt
1,000
1953
1953 Iranian coup d'état[2][8][25]
 Iran
300-800
1954–1960
Jebel Akhdar War[8]
Sultanate of Muscat and Oman
100-523
1955-1963
Cypriot intercommunal violence[19][26]
Cyprus protectorate
400-600
1956–1960
Yemeni-Adenese clan violence[2]
 Aden
1,000
1958
1958 Lebanon Crisis[2][4][26]
 Lebanon
1,300-4,000
1958
1958 Iraqi Revolution[2]
 Arab Federation
100
1959
1959 Mosul uprising[2]
Iraqi Republic
2,000-4,000
1962–1970
North Yemen Civil War[27][28][g]
 North Yemen
100,000-200,000
1962–1975
Dhofar Rebellion[8]
 Oman
10,000
1963
White Revolution (Iran)[8]
 Iran
100
1963
February 1963 Ba'athist Iraqi coup [29]
 Iraq
1,000
1963
8th of March Syrian Revolution[30]
 United Arab Republic,  Syria
820
1963–1967
Aden Emergency[31]
 Federation of South Arabia,  South Yemen
2,096
1963
November 1963 Iraqi coup [32]
 Iraq
250
1964
1964 Hama riot[33][34]
 Syria
70-100
1966
1966 neo-Ba'athist coup d'état in Syria[8]
 Syria
400
1970–1971
Jordan-Palestinian Civil War[26]
 Jordan
2,000-25,000
1974
Turkish invasion of Cyprus[17][35]
 Cyprus
1,500-5,000
1975–1990
Lebanese Civil War[36][h]
 Lebanon
150,000
1976–1979
Political violence in Turkey, 1970s[37][38][39]
 Turkey
5,000-5,388

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1976–1982
Islamic uprising in Syria[40]
Syria
40,000
1979
Iranian Revolution[41][42]
Iran
3,164-60,000
1979–1980
Consolidation of the Iranian Revolution [i]
Iran
10,171
1979–1983
Saudi Eastern Province unrest[43]
Saudi Arabia
182-219
1979
Grand Mosque Seizure[44]
Saudi Arabia
307
1980
1980 Turkish coup d'état[45][46]
Turkey
127-550
1980
Sadr uprising (1980)[47]
Iraq
1,000-30,000
1980–1988
Iran-Iraq war[17][48][j]
Iran, Iraq, Kuwait
1,000,000-1,250,000
1984–2013
Kurdish–Turkish conflict[49][verification needed]
Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan, Iraq, Federation of Arab Republics, Syria
30,000-100,000
1986
South Yemen Civil War[50]
South Yemen
5,000-12,000
1986
1986 Egyptian Conscription Riot[51]
Egypt
107
1986
1986 Damascus bombings[citation needed]
Syria
204
1987
Iranian pilgrim riot (Mecca massacre)[52]
Saudi Arabia
402
1987-1988
ANO Executions
Lebanon, Syria
170
1989-1996
KDPI insurgency (1989–96)
Iran
1,000
1990–1991
Gulf War[36]
Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia
40,000-57,000
1991
1991 uprisings in Iraq[47][53]
Iraq
50,000-100,000
1992–2000
Terrorism in Egypt[54][page needed]
Egypt
1,300-2,000
1994
1994 civil war in Yemen[citation needed]
Yemen
7,000-10,000
1995–
Islamic Insurgency in Saudi Arabia[citation needed]
Saudi Arabia
300
1998
Operation Desert Fox[19][26] (Iraqi no-fly zones)
Iraq
2,000
1999
1999 Shia uprising in Iraq[8][55]
Iraq
100-200
2003–2011
Iraq War[56][57][58][59][60][61][k]
Iraq
109,032-150,726
2003–2009
Baluchi insurgency in Iran[62][unreliable source?][63]
Iran
155-400
2004
Qamishli massacre (2004)[64][65]
Syria
30-100
2004–2010
Sa'dah insurgency[66][67][verification needed][68]
Saudi Arabia, Yemen
8,500-25,000
2004–
Iran-PJAK conflict[citation needed]
Iran, Iraqi Kurdistan
588-747
2006–
Fatah–Hamas conflict[69][70]
Palestinian Authority, Gaza Strip
600
2007
Nahr al-Bared fighting
Lebanon
480
2008
2008 Lebanon conflict
Lebanon
105
2009–
South Yemen Insurgency[71]
Yemen
1,554
2009–2010
Iranian election protests[72]
Iran
72-150
2010–
Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown[73][74]
Yemen
2,200
2011
Egyptian revolution of 2011
Egypt
846
2011
2011 Yemeni revolution
Yemen
2,000
2011-
Syrian civil war
Syria
100,000+
2011-
Sinai insurgency
Egypt
269
2011-
Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal)
Iraq
3,000-6,600
2011-
Syrian civil war spillover in Lebanon
Lebanon
325
2013
2013 Egyptian coup d'état
Egypt

2013-
Political violence in Egypt, 2013
Egypt
1119
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

Anonymous said...

The association was established on April 16, 2010 as an independent Islamic scholarly advocacy organization of persons calling others to Allah. This association provides wisdom and good advice and works to bring together scholars in Syria for Muslims to reference.
Responsibilities:
Embark on our moderate, balanced, and comprehensive Islamic understanding which fulfills the tenets of Shariah while remaining relevant. It also reconciles between limitations of Shariah and the current issues we face in the 21st century.
God Willing, we would like to highlight Islamic scholars’ leadership roles in the Syrian arena. God Willing, we are working to organize legal rulings, terms and concepts. We believe in dialogue with the various parts of Syrian society that will help us secure the interests of the Ummah and the unity of our people.http://www.etilaf.org/en/coalition-components/syrian-scholars-association.html
"Syria - a country of brotherhood" said, Ahmad Tomeh in his speech, (Newly Elected Head of Syrian Interim Government)
Jesus birth place was in the middle east, Tomeh's acknowledges muslims, offering scholarships, subtly including "brotherhood" in his acceptance speech. Right ...obviously he's refering to the muslim brotherhood, this civilwar/revolution/ has become a holy war. Absent from the scholarship area on etilaf's .com is the same scholarship offer for christians.

Anonymous said...

2003–2011
Iraq War
Iraq (death toll) 109,032-150,726

2003–2009
Baluchi insurgency in Iran, [unreliable source?]
Iran 155-400


2004
Qamishli massacre (2004]
Syria 30-100


2004–2010
Sa'dah insurgency
Saudi Arabia, Yemen 8,500-25,000


2004–
Iran-PJAK conflict
Iran, Iraqi Kurdistan 588-747


2006–
Fatah–Hamas conflict
Palestinian Authority, Gaza Strip 600


2007
Nahr al-Bared fighting
Lebanon 480

2008
2008 Lebanon conflict
Lebanon 105


2009–
South Yemen Insurgency
Yemen 1,554


2009–2010
Iranian election protests
Iran 72-150


2010–
Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown
Yemen 2,200


2011
Egyptian revolution of 2011
Egypt 846


2011
2011 Yemeni revolution
Yemen 2,000


2011-
Syrian civil war
Syria 100,000+


2011-
Sinai insurgency
Egypt 269


2011-
Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal)
Iraq 3,000-6,600


2011-
Syrian civil war spillover in Lebanon
Lebanon 325


2013
2013 Egyptian coup d'état
Egypt

2013-
Political violence in Egypt, 2013
Egypt 1119
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

Without military aide from other countries, these conflicts would have had fewer deaths and been of shorter duration.