Saturday, November 9, 2013

Abigail Hernandez Case: Letter from Father

Abigail Hernandez's father, Ruben, issued his first public statement about her disappearance. It was posted on a site dedicated to bringing her home.

Father asks missing N.H. teen to contact him

Abigail Hernandez’s father posted a letter on Facebook pleading for the missing Conway teenager to reach out to him and let him know she’s OK.
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My Dearest Abby,

We don't know if you ran away but if you did, it's important for you to know Sweetheart that nobody is angry with you, and you are not and will not be in any trouble. I just need to know that you are OK.

I am very worried that you are out there in the cold, because I don't know if you have a jacket. I am also worried that you may not be eating. I am hoping and praying that you are safe, warm, and that you are eating.

Please Sweetheart, if you are able; find a way to let us all know that you are OK. It can be a simple message like posting your favorite Bible scripture (Book, chapter and verse.) It's the one that you also used as your password. Dad remembers what it was. You can post is on Facebook, Twitter, text it, or however you wish. Or you can phone it in to anyone that you trust. You can phone it in or fax it to the Conway Police Department at (603) 356-5785 Fax 356-8837. Or you can call the Jackson Police Department at (603) 383-9292, fax 383-8150. You can also call the dispatch number at (603) 539-2284.

It doesn't matter if anyone answers or if the call goes to voice mail. If you don't want to say anything just say the Bible scripture. If you don't want to do it yourself maybe you can get someone to do it for you. Or use whatever method you wish. It doesn't matter how you contact us, but please Sweetheart find a way to let us know that you are OK.

You probably didn't anticipate all the media attention that you are getting, and we understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening. But please know that I promise that I will do my best to keep the media away from you, and no one will embarrass you. For whatever reason that may have caused you to run away you know deep in your heart that you can always come to me, as you have in the past and we can work it out. No matter what it is.

Please know that I am praying and trusting in God, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that they are watching over you, and will return you safely to us. And I hope that you are also staying in prayer, and having faith. Please stay strong Sweetheart.

In the last letter that you wrote me you ended it by saying…."I love you very, very, very much and that you will always be my dad." Well darling let me also say that I love you very, very, very much, and that you will always be my daughter.

With Love,

DAD

Here is the same letter with emphasis added

My Dearest Abby,

We don't know if you ran away but if you did, it's important for you to know Sweetheart that nobody is angry with you, and you are not and will not be in any trouble. I just need to know that you are OK.

I am very worried that you are out there in the cold, because I don't know if you have a jacket. I am also worried that you may not be eating. I am hoping and praying that you are safe, warm, and that you are eating.

Please Sweetheart, if you are able; find a way to let us all know that you are OK. It can be a simple message like posting your favorite Bible scripture (Book, chapter and verse.) It's the one that you also used as your password. Dad remembers what it was. You can post is on Facebook, Twitter, text it, or however you wish. Or you can phone it in to anyone that you trust. You can phone it in or fax it to the Conway Police Department at (603) 356-5785 Fax 356-8837. Or you can call the Jackson Police Department at (603) 383-9292, fax 383-8150. You can also call the dispatch number at (603) 539-2284.

It doesn't matter if anyone answers or if the call goes to voice mail. If you don't want to say anything just say the Bible scripture. If you don't want to do it yourself maybe you can get someone to do it for you. Or use whatever method you wish. It doesn't matter how you contact us, but please Sweetheart find a way to let us know that you are OK.

You probably didn't anticipate all the media attention that you are getting, and we understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening. But please know that I promise that I will do my best to keep the media away from you, and no one will embarrass you. For whatever reason that may have caused you to run away you know deep in your heart that you can always come to me, as you have in the past and we can work it out. No matter what it is.

Please know that I am praying and trusting in God, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that they are watching over you, and will return you safely to us. And I hope that you are also staying in prayer, and having faith. Please stay strong Sweetheart.

In the last letter that you wrote me you ended it by saying…."I love you very, very, very much and that you will always be my dad." Well darling let me also say that I love you very, very, very much, and that you will always be my daughter.

With Love,

DAD

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Anonymous said...

Vita, your post at 9:55 p.m. last night is beautifully and well written. You have an understanding of the deep sensitivities of a teenage girl; also you understand the scope of the affection between a father and a daughter and the words of love that is sometimes expressed between them.

My own father wrote letters to me even into my 30s' expressing these same kinds of words and thoughts of his deep love for me, and begging me to let him hear from me up until he passed on. I just wish I'd kept those letters!

Some of the posters here belittle these words as if they have some sinister meaning; however, IMO, this attitude belies the fact that these posters never had much fatherly love or expressions of love shown to them in their own childhood, teen and adult years.

I find it tragic that so many adults can't recognize genuine love from a parent expressed to a daughter to such an extent that they will smirk against those who do express their verbal love from and to each other as if there is something sick about it, accusing that something nasty must have happened between them.

Something else that many posters fail to understand, is that a teenage girl sharing the home with her mother and mothers' live-in boyfriend is very disturbing to a young girl. More often than not, they feel as if they are in the way, or that they are second to moms' boyfriend, and that whatever they feel won't much matter as she will always take his side and put him first. The same thing applies when it is a father living with another woman. I've witnessed this kind of emotional turmoil many times in these parental dysfunctional homes where there are children involved.

It frequently torments and depresses the young girl that her mother is living with and sleeping with another man instead of her father, or is putting someone else above them. This is very disturbing to the girl (and boys too), as usually their deepest longing is that their father and mother live in the home together and they are a family. Four years Abbys' mother had been living with this boyfriend?

That is four years this child had to try to emotionally rationalize that she would never have her father in any kind of normal relationship again. This can do some serious emotional damage to a child in their teen years; they could also take misunderstandings to mean that mom & boyfriend are trying to pull them away from their father, creating more emotional turmoil, including bitterness towards them and possessiveness towards their father.

Abby would have had many insecurities and emotions brewing in her mind that she needed to discuss with her friends and with her father as well, constantly seeking assurances.

I can certainly see how the father would have felt the need to reassure Abby of his deep love and to write and assure her that he has not forgotten her love for him. It would be perfectly normal that he would remind her of the password she used to use and to ask her to use it again to contact him so that he would know it was really her reaching out to him.

I see nothing questionable about this fathers' letter to his daughter, I understand that he may have reason at first to believe Abby ran away, and hoping that's what happened to her; however, I DO question how the father of Abbys' (very young) boyfriend could interject himself so deeply into this nightmare, even claiming his son could never make it without Abby (hogwash!) and criticizing the bio-father. I think, at this point, HE IS THE ONE I'd be looking at more closely rather than the father.

Anonymous said...

Being a kidnap and rape victim"??????? ShUT up u liar!!!!!

Anonymous said...

GROW up liar!

Anonymous said...

Liar

s said...

I don't understand why scent hounds and cadaver dogs aren't brought in right away when a person goes missing.

Shelley said...

Peter...

Hoping to now see your analysis on this letter.

I think most of us find parts of this letter odd, but nothing that screams that he may be involved.

Possibly a poor relationship but not much beyond that.

Anonymous said...

@ s, in the link vita provided at 12:29am, it says in the article or comments section that dogs tracked abigail's walk to her home...there is interesting info on this link all through to, and including, the comments.

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/10/abigail-hernandez-missing-from-north.html

Shelley said...

Martin MacNeill Trial

"Jury Finds Utah Doctor Guilty of Killing His Wife"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/martin-macneill-trial-jury-finds-utah-doctor-guilty/story?id=20815938


While I am happy to see these results, I still raelly think Gyspy was just as involved and also needs to be charged.

Both her roomates stated "Willis even talked to them about poisoning MacNeill’s wife or cutting the brake lines of her car prior to her death"

I mean hello? How is LE not on top of this? This is alarming and I think she either helped kill Michelle or at the least encouraged Martin to do it.

Plus, look at her in court all smiles.

Even if I fell in love with a man that was married... if she ended up murdered, that would haunt me. I would not feel justified to just move into her home and take over her life. That is not normal and she needs to be charged too!

This woman is clearly evil!

Sus said...

Thanks Carnival Barker.

Anonymous said...

Oh no, the multiples are back and are in a full blown manic episode.

maggie, masquerade. jen, sus, anons and whomever else has come out, how do you keep each other straight? my apologies to any i have left out or included by mistake.

Shelley said...

I think we have had a couple good cases prosecuted that show there are some intelligent jurors out there.

LE needs to now step up and start to charge these people.


Bille Dunn
Shawn Atkins

Sergio and Becky Celis

Hannah Anderson

Gerry and Kate Mccann

Justin Dipreito

Casey and Sandy Parsons

There are more but these are at the top of my mind...

COME ON LE. Its time!



Enough is enough. Its time for victims to get justice...



Anonymous said...

It is said that police and other LE are more likely to assume someone is lying and has evil motives than those who are not. I think that is what happens here a lot. Readers here are so eager to catch lies that they automatically assume that a posted statement is riddled with them.

Why assume that this dad is a child molester? I think the scripture is a secret code between them or something highly unique and personal to Abby that only she'd know. He is calling out to her. He doesn't disparrage or blame her.
I think the letter is sincere and he is a very worried father.

We can see what is *sensitive* to a speaker but we cannot know why it is so. We can detect deception with SA but we cannot know the real reason why someone is lying. SA really is like metal detector telling us something is there, dig here, look closer. It can't enable us to read minds. Anon J

Shelley said...

Peter any updates on this post from January?


“I am thrilled to announce that Avinoam Sapir, the father of all Statement Analysis in our country and internationally, has completed the SCAN (Scientific Content Analysis) of the Book of Genesis, from the Bible.

Maggie said...

Vita--The letter from the school is odd as it does not express much concern for Abigail.
What do you make of it?
I noticed that the letter from the school seems very similar to the one written by the Dad--expressing concern for the students eating, sleeping and exercise and then suggesting monitoring social media much as Abigail's father expressed very similar sentiments to Abigail.

This just occurred to me today: I live in Massachusetts nd they had been looking for a serial killer who had been killing very petite Hispanic prostitutes in the Worcester area. If I remember write, LE had theorized that one of his last kills he had brought the body up North--I don't remember if it was Maine--somewhere up North to try to throw investigators off. Now, they think they MIGHT have caught the guy, some guy they arrested for assaulting a woman, but they were never sure and the guy they think MIGHT have done it was never charged as the serial killer. Some people aren't convinced he's the right guy. But anyway, I just thought I would mention this, because he was targeting Hispanics most of whom were very petite (I don't know if Abigail is petite or not). I hope to God they have caught the guy but I'm not convinced they have.

Maggie said...

Just wanted to add: I just did some googling and it does not look like they have caught the Worcester serial killer--there is one man who has some circumstantial evidence surrounding him but some profilers don't think he's the killer. Anyway, I am only bringing this up bc this serial killer was killing Hispanic women--they were petite and they were prostitutes and I know this missing young lady is NOT a prostitute, but sometimes these killers will kill a victim who does not exactly fit the profile of victims they have previously chosen. I don't think they ever caught this guy, so it's scary to think about if he is still out there.

Maggie said...

OK, so I did not know much about this case, and now have read a little more. It looks like she went missing walking down a power line trail that looks like it goes through an extremely densely wooded area. This does not give me a good feeling. The serial killler striking in Worcester was profiled and named the "Main South Woodsman" because profilers are convinced he is an "outdoorsman"--into fishing, hunting, camping, he likes being in the woods and is at home in the woods.
I think the FBI should look into the possibility this serial killer could have been involved in this young lady's disappearance.
I actually now do NOT believe the parents had any involvement.
I have a very bad feeling this is a predatorial killer.

Anonymous said...

I don't get the sense the father is involved from this letter. It is odd that he waited so long after her disappearance to make some sort of statement, it is odd that his name/location are so secretive.

HIs letter is basically speaking to a runaway, which is also interesting as some people seem to think that she did not leave willingly and that possibility isn't even addressed in his letter. He states "we" are concerned (who is we? he is not together with the mother), and loves her very,very,very much (over the top use of very). He didn't beg her to return or beg for an abductor or witness to come forth.

He did however show concern about her possibly being cold and hungry. It seems this guy is a little out of the loop. What's he doing to help her come home? Is he in Texas right now and unable to help?

Vita said...

Sent out 8 days post Abby's missing - sent by the local school district.

Letter dated: Oct 18, 2013
Dear Parent/Guardian

The Conway School District is deeply concerned not only for Abby Hernandez, but for the welfare of all our students. We want to address concerns and assure you we are acting with care and support for our students and staff. If you have any specific concerns about your child, please contact the school ( principle, guidance counselors, teaching staff).

In such an incident students are affected in a variety of ways. We ask you to keep a close eye on your child, listen to them, and talk about any concerns they have.

It is important to make sure they are eating correctly, sleeping enough, getting exercise, and making healthy choices as they process this uncertainty.

It may also be helpful to monitor, social media, text messaging, and limit exposure to coverage of anxiety increasing movies, news and other media sources.

We continue to offer our schools as a resource, as needed, while we work as partners, to support our students, schools and community.

Sincerely
Conway School District Admin and Staff

http://www.sau9.org/SAU9/NewsLetter/AH_District_Letter.pdf
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This the the "school dist's" letter, as Maggie wrote her comments back to me. This letter to receive as a parent has red flags all throughout it. As if the verbage should have been sent out via the districts " known" that whatever is their known " has not ever been divulged" as this letter is damage control, for before not after. They using Abby's name (not her missing) as a vessel of the seriousness, " of their known" non related to Abby's missing.

" Don't Ask Questions, listen to them and " talk" to your children. If you have any specific concerns about your child, please contact the school ( principle, guidance counselors, teaching staff).

* No to the above. You do not feed the authority, the authority is to provide you as parent with information. You the parent are in charge, not the school to determine your credibility, liable when it comes to your own kids.

As they close the letter
We continue to offer our schools as a resource, as needed, while we work as partners, to support our students, schools and community.

As Needed
Why? because public schools have zero liability. None. If your child/ren are hurt/harmed or worse inside/outside upon a public schools property. You as parent have zero recourse. You as parent cannot sue the school, nor the district. Clinton passed a law, in reaction of the Colombine Shootings, protecting the schools from lawsuits. You as parent have to go after the individual/s who hurt/harmed or worse unto your child/ren.

Red tape, politics, and etc to be entangled if this person employed as a teacher, administrator what have you, paid as an employee. As they are protected within a certain degree. It is very messy, as this letter is provocatively written for a reason, known to them. I do not like this letter. I would be very concerned if my son/daughter attended a school in this district, that they are withholding their known. They in essence have written we can cannot predict outcomes, unless you bring your kid forth to us. " After" not before.

Vita said...

Anon the " very, very, very," is Abby's written to her dad. As he recalled her last letter she wrote to him.

He to repeat it back to her, what she wrote to him, prior to her vanishing.

Vita said...

The Conway School District is deeply concerned not only for Abby Hernandez, but for the welfare of all our students.

Remove the fluff

The Conway School District is deeply concerned for the welfare of all our students.
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We want to address concerns and assure you we are acting with care and support for our students and staff.

We " Want to" address concerns and assure you " we are acting" with care and support - for our students and staff.

They want to, but they won't address "what is it they won't address"?. Not until they are forced to admit they were in the privy of what they did nothing about? As this is " not in their hands" at this time. Legal jargon. We are acting not active,
" acting" as ?

In such an incident students are affected in a variety of ways. We ask you to keep a close eye on your child, listen to them, and talk about any concerns they have.

Straw Man

In such an incident students are affected. *In such an incident*

Which is unsaid what this incident is. Written in the negative.
" incidental"
Defined: happening in connection with or resulting from something more important; casual or fortuitous

Their known non reported, that was prior to Abby, remains in motion as they speak it. Which is not Abby, it is though of all students their concern is for, yet to protect the district first.

Is this a student they are aware of? that is not playing with a full deck? they negated to reprimand and or report? This student to escalate? something is not right.

Peter, will you read and provide analysis upon the letter, please.
Thank you

Anonymous said...

Lol

Maggie said...

Vita--Good catch with your comment on the school's use of the word "incident". You suggest that possibly another student from the school could have harmed her.
The letter from the school seems intentionally vague, and it is very strange they refer to Abigail's disappearance as an "incident". I would think they would use a term such as "tragic disappearance", but "incident"--this does bring to mind like some kind of school disciplinary type occurrence, something the school would need to discipline for.
It is also interesting the way they refer to the whole situation as an "uncertainty". They are intentionally steering clear of any descriptive terms.
BIG QUESTION: Did Abigail usually walk home along that path through the woods? The fact that she was texting on her cell phone for 20 minutes of the walk suggests that whoever harmed her was either following from behind as she walked, or, and I think this is more likely, was lying in wait for her far down the path she was walking. If she did normally take this path, then this would be a stalker who was familiar with her routine and in this case, probably went far down the path to lie in wait for her. If it was not her normal route, it STRONGLY suggests someone from the school saw her walking down the path and followed her.
The big question is was this her normal route to get home from school? And if it was not, why did she take it that day?
Had she mentioned to someone at school (student or teacher) that she was taking that path home? People on websleuths are suggesting she may have been into geocaching bc there were 4 geocaches along the route she took. Could someone in the school have been into geocaching and maybe asked her to walk down that route and see if she could spot a geocache? I hate to say it, but could a teacher have asked her to do so, and perhaps she felt pressure to go look for a geocache if someone in authority like a teacher had asked her if she could go look for one.

Carnival Barker said...


I wouldn't trust any SCHOOL district who would send out a letter like this encouraging parents to report their concerns to the principal -- and spell it "principle."

Sloppy. Inexcusable.

Vita said...

Maggie, I have never heard of Geocache. Thank you for the follow ups. Anon who wrote at 9:09 am 11/11

I DO question how the father of Abbys' (very young) boyfriend could interject himself so deeply into this nightmare, even claiming his son could never make it without Abby (hogwash!) and criticizing the bio-father. I think, at this point, HE IS THE ONE I'd be looking at more closely rather than the father.

I read that too, he could not make it, the bf without Abby. His name is Jimmy. From Presser snipped, his father same name quoted:

Jimmy Campbell is now having a very hard time coping.

"He's such a good boy; he's not into drugs or anything bad, neither was she," the senior Campbell said. "He's freaking. I'm freaking. We're all having a hard time."

He is such a good boy
He's not into drugs
Or
Anything bad
Neither ' was ' she
He the father doesn't sound very confident, sounds as wishful thinking on the fathers part.
This his proposed, as he is speaking on behalf of himself, not his son. He's not into drugs Or anything bad, then in Dad's view drugs are not bad, only anything is bad?

Abby at 14, is already married Her own response to dating.
Alike a stranger at your door,
I need to enter, No, says the single woman, my husband is coming home any minute. Abby had her wits on, within in her answers.
Someone was truly trying to get tap into her personal business, she to hold her own, quite well.
--
Abby's own written from her Ask FM Account, she to post her account on her twitter, for ppl to follow, find her.
Twitter account: https://twitter.com/Abby_Hernandez7

date or pass?
i'm already married
about 1 month ago
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Do you drink or smoke?
Used to
about 1 month ago
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What is the major problem in your city?

Everybody hates each other, yet cares about each other too much
about 1 month ago
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Do you prefer talking or texting?

depends on the person about
1 month ago
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How long have you and jimmy been going out?

7 months<3
about 1 month ago
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She to know who this was? there are posts from 1 or more persons harassing her. Link is below, to read more.

You're telling me to go away and thinkin your cool when all u do is cut your self

I'm telling you to go away because you're harassing me.
about 1 month ago
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http://ask.fm/AbigailHernandez886

Maggie said...

"You're telling me to go away and thinkin your cool when all u do is cut your self"--written to Abby by someone harrassing her

It does sound like she was being harrassed.
This statement also contains info about her possibly/probably "cutting herself".
Is there a possibility of suicide?
It's odd because it goes full circle back to the tone of the father's letter where he fears she is not eating (possibly due to eating disorder it was speculated.)



John Mc Gowan said...

From her boyfriends Dads FB.

This man is some piece of work.

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE:

James D.Campbell Brenda Eastman this lil angel has been in my home and part of my familys life for almost a year.she isnthe sweetest politest kid and my son loves this girl with all his heart and for now the past.month I have seen him.crushed and confused and hurting to the point where I feel useless as his dad cause it is a parents job to not only raise and support your kids butit isnyour job to protect them physically and mentally..well I only know one way to do that in this situation and that is to yell from the rooftops and scream all I want on social sites and advertising it everywhere and I am EXTREMELY GOOD AT BEING VOCALand I will continue to do what I need to do til she gets home I have called in favors from.places and people that I have known all my life that have put there people out looking and talkingi have contacted people everywhere thru friends and family that I have all over this country and continue to do so..and everyone of them.know I WILL NOT STOP and I am.also in contact with different tv shows both talk shows and other entities for some stupid bullshit reason this issue dont meet criteria for an AMBER ALERT I will get it dont with a lil help from my friends... thanks fornyour support girl...lets bring her home...
Love ya Ab Bo
November 8 at 6:53pm via mobile · Like · 2

John Mc Gowan said...

Cont.

ll I can say is this and hate me if ya don't agree or.love.me.if you.do...
IN CAPS TO GAIN ATTENTION..
IF MY KID WAS MISSING IT WOULD TAKES A BULLSHIT OR 2 TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT I WOULD BE OUT THERE ON EVERY CAMERA IN FRONT OF.EVERY.MICROPHONE UNTIL IT WAS DONE....
This group of people family .friends. coworkers all know how I feel about this whole thing ..it disgusts me that ALL OF A SUDDEN Facebook accounts are created and all of a sudden we hear from THE DADDY...
sorry there Is MUCH MUCH MORE to this story then we are hearing..oh yeah hey DADDY next time ya sit.in Twombly s having lunch and laughing with the 2 cops.you were wi th ya may wanna remember who the people are around you one of them was ME oh wait you already knew that cause the cop with you got awful jumpy when I sat to have piece of pizza and a milk he even escorted u out the door after saying HI to me didn't he?? IMAGINE THAT..
oh yeah hi my son is Jimmy whose heart is broken over this the kid balls his eyes out before going to sleep at night asking us WHY DOES IT HURT SO BAD?? And you all.of a sudden are talking??
Do it again see if you don't get a piece of.my mind I am sure you will.enjoy that..
WE ALL LOVE YOU ABBY....
COME HOME GIRL.

John Mc Gowan said...

Cont:

November 3 via mobile
Wow hmmmmm ain't it funny NOT ONE WORD MENTIONED IN A MONTH NOW all.of a sudden there is a show.of outreach?? And new FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS CREATED and wow I can so feel the love ....
You.know my son asked me "Dad when is it OK to hate someone?"
And I gotta say I said to him don't waste your life HATING ANYONE EVER.. you can DISLIKE ANYONE
NEVER HATE....thinking that was the PROPER PARENT THING to say but when he explained who and why I said hmmmm someone abusing a child is a HATEABLE QUALITY..AND NOW I can see why he asked and how he feels someone has best be careful as to the open BULLSHIT pleas he makes when he knows exactly what is GOING ON
JUST SAYIN

.......................

OK OK OK here is what I got to say I love all of my family and friends on FACEBOOK and we all certainly appreciate everyone out looking for this ANGEL that is part of my family and all the law enforcement and everyone who is helping BUT HERE IS THE FUCKING DEAL RIGHT NOW.. all of the people outside looking in need to SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS COMPLETELY ABOUT THIS NIGHTMARE the RUMORS as told to us by Conway police are as they just told my wife and 14 yr old son at the POLICE STATION UNFOUNDED RUMORS I will say this once to all please until we all know what is going on keep your mouths completely shut cause false stories WILL NOT HELP my entire family is hurting and it would be appreciated and posting SHE WAS FOUND is an ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT STUPID THING TO DO.. lets all simply sit and pray to god for a safe return of this angel and put it out in your hearts as if it was your own child you wouldn't want those UNFOUNDED RUMORS said think of my 14 yr old son and his feelings PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FUCKING STOPPPPPPPP oh and anyone not liking what I say ?? to friggin bad IT IS WHAT IT IS and I protect my own don't like it don't fucking read it

Anonymous said...

ah, my first intuition about the father's letter was that he should be put on a suicide watch, perhaps it reflected that his daughter should have been on watch.
i dont know any emo cutters so i dont know if this religious crap is a turn off or a strength.

Buckley said...

How about this question from the above link:


does this rag smell like chloroform to you?
uhm
2 months ago

Nic said...

maggie @10:55 said:

Noone else thinks it's weird Dad refers to himself in 3 rd person?


I did. I mentioned it in my post [way] above.

Distancing.

Just like he doesn't call Abby by her name, but terms of endearment usually reserved between adults. jmo.

Could be that he sees/saw he and Abby as something other than father and daughter. jmo

Anonymous said...

on abby and jimmy's facebook, their friends lists, there are a few who do the glorify marijuana thing.
so no drugs???

lol on a funny note, jimmy's dad looks like a towtruck driver.

John Mc Gowan said...

Fb Link.

https://www.facebook.com/WhtMtTowGuy

Anonymous said...


When you were little, what did you want to be when you grew up?

i wanted to run away with the circus and become a gymnast. ah, childhood. where have you gone?
about 1 month ago
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there you go, childhood is over, time she ran away and joined the circus.

Maggie said...

I don't think boyfriend's Dad harmed her. He definitely has a big mouth and likes to swear, but I don't think he was involved. His son may be hurting quite a bit from his girlfriend going missing. It sounds like he may have info from his son that Abby's bio Dad was abusive to her, and I can see where this would fuel his anger. The self-cutting and eating disorder most likely came from her being abused. Many suggested after reading the bio Dad's letter that it seemed creepy and maybe he was committing incest.
Here are the possibilities

1) bio Dad harmed her
2) predatorial killer harmed her
3) student or teacher from the school harmed her
4) she went into the woods and committed suicide

The biggest clue in my opinion would be to know whether or not Abby normally walked down that path.
If this was very out of the ordinary, I feel suicide is a strong possibility. There is always the possibility someone stalked her from the school or it was a predatorial killer. I don't see how the Dad could have been the killer, but maybe what the Dad's letter "reveals" is a guilty knowledge that he had abused his daughter so much he drove her over the edge.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Shelly,

Nothing to date, but I keep waiting for the English translation!

Peter

Shelley said...

CASE TO VALIDATE SA


Peter,

I think using cases where we know for sure someone lied is very useful for training and to validate how accurate SA is.

Travis Forbes lied initially then later confessed even taking police to the body and pleading guilty in the murder of Kenia Monge.

Travis initially tried to deny he had anything to do with the murder of Kenia Monge.

Even his girlfriend at the time, Kerry Humphrey stated she was his alibi.

Here is some of the jail transcripts I was able to get online.
Please analyze….


Detective=D
Travis=T

As a note, the news report on the case just kept showing blurbs of the police interrogations so there are lots of gaps. But I will put what I was able to get.

***************************************
Asked where he went after he was with Kenia….
D: Where did you go?
T: I went an uhhhh
D: To Kerry’s right?
T: Yeah, I went to Kerry’s
D: Didn’t you stay there like until the morning till you had to go to work?
T: Well, I uh, Kerry and I had kind of been, like kind of on and…… I mean, not breaking up on and off, but just like
D: Well, she told us you were there
T: No, no, no, no, no I was there
D: So after that, she walks off and then you go to Kerry’s?
T: Mmmm hmm
D: Why would Kerry lie for you?
Break in the tape………………
D: But Kerry says you asked her to lie for you
T: No, I didn’t
D: That you weren’t with her from 3 o’clock until 8 o’clock… So you’re saying that Kerry’s lying
Break in the tape again
T: If I sat on this jury and I didn’t know the me, and I was to look at all this@#$%, I would probably have to go with guilty
T: Everything that comes out of my mouth is suspectable @#$%... I am so #$%%
Break in the tape again
D: She is probably not alive
T: Yah, I mean, that’s a given. You know that and I know that
D: What’d you do to her?
T: I’m sorry?
D: Did you do anything to her?
T: No
D; Did you hurt her?’
T: No, we never touched
Break again
Forbes Wanted Lawyer After 2.5 Hours Of Interrogation
For two-and-a-half hours, Forbes talked freely with the detective. The detective asked multiple questions about the last night Monge was seen alive. Forbes had previously said he gave her a ride from a downtown bar to a gas station along Speer Boulevard, before she got out and walked off with another man.
The detective told Forbes there was surveillance that showed his van arriving at the gas station, but no evidence of Monge walking away. The detective also said police found a hair in the back of Forbes' van when it was searched.

T: If you guys found a piece of her hair with the root in the back of my van, how are you not arresting me? How is that not -- that to me -- this is why I have a lawyer, man. That's just one more nail in the f***ing coffin
D: If you had sex with her, so be it. But dude, not saying that and finding out later that you did, that's not going to look good," said the detective.
T: Dude, none of this looks good, I'm in f***ing Texas
D: Well, you came to Texas. We didn't force you to come to Texas
T: No, I know. None of this looks good. Look, I….
D: So, did she have sex with you?
T: I think at this point, I -- I, my lawyer should be present. I should not be saying another word

After more than three hours of interrogation, the Denver detective presents Forbes a search warrant.

D: This is a warrant for your DNA
T: You guys have my DNA
D: No, we don't
T: Well, you guys should
D: We don't," said the detective.

His cheek got swabbed, and then he was asked to allow an officer to get 25 hair samples from his head. At this point, Forbes walks away from the camera's vantage point, but is still heard from the side of the room.

T: Did you find her? Why would you be taking my DNA? You found a girl.
D: What?
T: You found a girl and there's some s***. There's probably, well, obviously DNA

Anonymous said...

John- Thanks for bringing up James Campbell (the boyfriend's father), he is a little sketchy IMO. He also has like 3 FB pages from what I've read. Not to mention as a tow truck driver he would have in depth knowledge of all the local roads and short cuts. He should be looked at little closer IMO.

BostonLady said...

The first thing that jumped out at me was the use of "WE" and then "I" in the same sentence. Who is "WE"? The next was the whole tone of the letter. This wasn't a pleading letter begging her to come home. It was "leave a message, or a fax" ? A 15 yr old is not going to fax. The media is mentioned a couple of times and that isn't something I'd be worried about if my child was missing. The biblical references were creepy as was his calling her "my darling" "sweetheart". Those are terms used typically in a relationship and a mature relationship. I would expect him to use her name or a nick name when addressing his daughter.

This letter doesn't ring true.

Anonymous said...

Boston Lady, don't be so sure a 15-yr old would not use a fax machine. This father was an engineer, now an architect. Frequently he would have worked extensively out of his home and would have used a fax machine as a common practice. It is quite likely his children had access too and used the fax machine as well. They are very simple to use, you know.

I'm sure he would know if his own daughter was/is proficient in using the fax.

Apparently you have not read some of the histories above where it has been common practice for some fathers to call their daughters these same pet names that you call creepy; also, some families take their religious beliefs very seriously. Obviously you do not.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to come on out with it. Maggie, I think you are sick in the head. Or maybe you're bat-shitt crazy. Either way, something is terribly amiss.

Wow. One never knows what loopy theory you will come out with next and actually believe it.

Lemon said...

Oh for the love...

Maggie said...

Oh hello anon @8:25--I don't believe I've heard from you since the Ayla Reynolds thread. If I'm remembering correctly you strongly dislike Trista and you didn't like my theories about Derek Tudela. Great to hear from you!

Tania Cadogan said...

A Pennsylvania mother of two has been missing for six months and the case grows increasingly cold as repeated attempts by police to question her estranged husband - the last person to see her - are refused.

Melissa Ortiz-Rodriguez, 31, was last seen by Jose Rodriguez at their Collingdale home on April 19, according to initial statements from Rodriguez.

He reported his wife missing four days later when Ortiz-Rodriguez failed to pick their two daughters, aged eight and 11, up from school or turn up for her first day at a new job.

The pair had been separated since Ortiz-Rodriguez discovered Rodriguez had fathered a child with another woman but relations had reportedly been warmer before Ortiz-Rodriguez's disappearance and he had been spending time at the family home.

Police investigating the case have been stymied by Rodriguez's refusal to answer questions about inconsistencies in his initial statements to police.
Rodriguez had one interview with police after reporting Ortiz-Rodriguez missing. Since then, he has hired an attorney and refused to undertake a polygraph test or submit to further questioning.

Melissa Ortiz-Rodriguez had planned to stay with friends in New Jersey on the weekend of April 19, planning to leave her car at home and take public transport. She never arrived.

Rodriguez told Detective Daniel Leight that he had left the house first that day, but later told police his wife left the house first to drop the children off at school. He said she was wearing gray pyjama pants and a t-shirt, but later said she was wearing a yellow dress.

The two had been separated since Ortiz-Rodriguez found a receipt for a baby carseat and bottles and learned her husband had been having a relationship with a fellow Amtrak employee named Sarah Seclow, and that the two had had a baby.

Court records also show a troubled relationship before Rodriguez's extra-marital affair.

In February, Ortiz-Rodriguez filed a protection-of-abuse order against her husband. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, he had previously locked Ortiz-Rodriguez and the children out of the house and disassembled parts of her car engine.

When she'd tried to leave him, he had ripped the suitcase from her hand and strewn its contents over the front lawn, broken her cell phone and pushed her.

She withdrew the complaint two weeks later. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer she had told a friend that he 'was being nicer' to her, and had allowed him back into the house.

Investigators want to know where Rodriguez spent the weekend when his wife was supposed to be in New Jersey.

Rodriguez had been living in New Jersey with his new girlfriend and their baby, but the week before Melissa Ortiz-Rodriguez disappeared, he was in Collingdale with her and their two children.

Police have executed search warrants on both the Collingwood home and the home Rodriguez shares with Seclow in New Jersey as well as his Amtrak vehicle, and obtained cell phone records for
'In his statement he claimed he left for work at 8, 8:30 that Friday morning,' said Leicht told the Philadelphia Inquirer.

'I have him at home [in Collingdale] at 12-12:30 [pm] that day.'

Rodriguez also told police that he spoke to Ortiz-Rodriguez several times over the weekend, but records don't show any phone calls occurring between the two.

Further mystifying police is the matter of cleaning supplies including two mop heads and a gallon of floor cleaner that Rodrguez obtained from his place of work.

The Delco Times reports that Rodriguez signed the supplies out of the New Brunswick, New Jersey Amtrak facility where he works on April 21.

Video surveillance shows Rodriguez driving away in his red pick-up truck with another person in the passenger seat. Police want to talk to that person.

Tania Cadogan said...

Collingdale Police Chief Robert Adams says that if Rodriguez doesn't have anything to hide, he should be helping the police with their investigation.

'If he didn't do anything, his lawyer should have him here helping us,' said Adams told the Philadelphia Inquirer.

'The man has not reached out to me even once to ask about the status of the case,' he said.


'I have heard nothing from his side of the family whatsoever or his friends.'

Meanwhile, Ortiz-Rodriguez's family and friends contact police for updates on the status of the case several times a week. In the case of her mother Olga Ortiz, it's every day.

'We are still in the darkness. We haven't gotten to the light,' said Ortiz. 'I keep hoping and praying that she is still alive,' she told the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Adding to the family's misery is the fact that Rodriguez won't let them see Ortiz's granddaughters.

Since his wife's disappearance, Jose Rodriguez has been living in New Jersey. According to NBC, the same day he reported Ortiz-Rodriguez missing, tried to transfer the couple's two children to a North Jersey school.

'Mr Rodriguez is as concerned as everybody else about the whereabouts of his child's mother,' said his attorney Michael Diamondstein.

'He's done everything he can to assist the police.'

According to police, Rodriguez has not participated in local area searches for his wife and has returned only to take possessions from the Collingdale home.

Melissa Ortiz-Rodriguez's neighbor Kathy Bauer told NBC that Rodriguez was at the home in May, and when she asked about the case to her that police had found his wife.

'I was so happy to see him,' said Bauer. 'He said they found her and were questioning her. But he wasn't real excited, just nonchalant.'

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Rodriguez has put the Collingdale home on the market.

Ortiz-Rodriguez, described as being five-feet-five-inches and 130lb with brown hair, remains missing

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2500795/Police-frustrated-estranged-husband-secret-second-family-mother-remains-missing-months.html?ico=ushome^editors_choice_six_of_the_best

Anonymous said...

Anon @ November 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM
Who I suspect is really the one who goes by Observer.

Do you REALLY think you are going to reach anyone with your continual condemning and proselytizing? Didn't Jesus warn against that too? Doesn't it say that Jesus did not come to CONDEMN the world. So if he didn't do it then why in the heck are YOU doing it. Doesn't the word Christian mean to be CHRIST LIKE, you know like ACT like CHRIST. If you were the only messenger I ever heard speak about Jesus I would RUN in the other direction. You are a condemning shrew and your actions contradict the very message you claim to respresent! Jesus said to LOVE your brother, not beat him into submission! So I reallllly wish you'd shut up until you get a handle on what a Christian Spirit looks like.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:12 if she had run away, where would she happen upon a fax machine? A teen trying to stay hidden isn't going to walk into Kinko's (assuming she had money with her and wanted to squander it on a fax) and even if she managed to hide at a friend's house, what is the likelihood she'd choose faxing as a means of getting a message to her parents?

John Mc Gowan said...

OT..

Hannah Anderson book re-released for free by author.

PDF :

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Sus said...

The posts by the boyfriend's father, James Campbell, are more in line with what I expect to see in a missing child case. And he has it correct when he says "I'd be in front of every camera."

He may say it crudely, but as he says he's VOCAL. I'm certain I would shout from every mountain top and cuss out every police officer who wasn't looking if one of my kids went missing.

In contrast, Abby's father wants her ( or someone) to fax in scripture or leave a voicemail...because he is not sure she has a jacket or is eating. Then "we" will know she's "OK" and "I" can get on with being the best DAD.

John Mc Gowan said...

The Chelsea Hoffman book in Pdf form has been taken down sorry folk..

Nic said...

Maggie said...
Noone else thinks it's weird Dad refers to himself in 3 rd person?


I did in my analysis, way, way up the thread.

3rd person = distancing. I also noted the kind of terms of endearment he uses with her (adult) instead of his daughter's name. Daughter = Abby. Darling = lover.

Maybe he didn't see their relationship as father/daughter hence the distancing and not using her name.

jmo

Nic said...
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ima.grandma said...

Vita, I'm happy to see you have returned. You bring alternate insight to this blog and contribute additional information and links. You are one of my favorite posters.

Anonymous said...

Above, someone asked about whether she usually took this route. Her mom's apartment was not far in distance from the school, and I think the rule is that you get no bus service if you live less than 1.5 miles away. But the school is isolated -at the end of a long road that was built for the school and leads to nothing but the school. Woods on either side. If there is a path through the woods you would not see a walker from the road. At the bottom of the road, she would find herself near a busy area, as mom's apartment is near shopping plazas and outlet malls. Conway is a small town in the middle of nowhere with a remarkably disproportionate amount of retail and hotels. They get a lot of visitors for foliage in the fall and skiing in the winter. She disappeared right before the peak of foliage season, when many out of towners would be in the area.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 11:24--Thank you for this info. From these details, I am MORE worried now that there was a serial killer involved. If she walks TO school from her Mom's apt some sicko could have spotted her and then been waiting for her on the way home as she walked down the wooded path.
It is very scary bc the Worcester serial killer did target only Hispanics. The one guy they think might be him (never been charged as the serial killer) is white and profilers say the Worcester serial killer was MOST LIKELY Hispanic, so this makes it unlikely the white guy could be the serial killer and means he is probably still out there.

Masquerade said...

That's what I was thinking too, Sus. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't appear to be the "popular" opinion on her bf's father, but to me (like you), it's expected. He is literally shouting his feelings from the mountain tops. Maybe he's putting on a good show, who knows.

Praying for Abby said...

I'm looking forward to Peter's analysis of this letter from Abby's dad. Child abuse/incest would explain cutting/eating disorders, also possibility of suicide. That said, child abuse victims are more likely to put themselves in dangerous situations (walking alone through wooded areas, communicating with Internet strangers, etc.), increasing the possibility of an abduction/murder. I'm worried about her. God bless her and give her strength if she is alive.

Maggie said...

Praying For Abby--I wish Peter would analyze the letter too! Right now, I am thinking he was an abuser, but not directly involved in her disappearance. I believe the answer of whether he was involved or not will be in the letter he wrote, but it needs to be analyzed. Maybe we could all analyze a paragraph or two? After I make dinner if I have time I will attempt the 1st paragraph or two.
Unless someone else wants to do start out??

Praying for Abby said...

Maggie-

I'm more skeptical than you. Abusers lack empathy, which frees them to perpetrate crimes against kids. The kid, even their own, is an object to the abuser. In incest, the abuser sees the kid as an extension of himself. Without empathy, there's nothing stopping them from killing, even their own kids. Their bottom line is protecting themselves and covering their own a$$es.

A father who waits a month to call out to his missing daughter is suspicious. He doesn't tell her to come home. He doesn't tell her captive to let her go. He only wants her to contact him. Strange!

He begins the letter in a$$-covering/sharing the guilt mode, "We don't know if you ran away..."

His terms of endearment "sweetheart" and "darling" are more suitable to a girlfriend than a daughter (boundary issues), and the letter is rife with them. He wants to convince LE that theirs was a close relationship.

Also, sharing the secret password with Dad to her Facebook account, could be an indication of abuse. Abusers teach kids to keep secrets ("our little secret"). Why doesn't her mom know her password too?

The religious garble is suspect as well. Narcissists (people without empathy) use religion as a cover (pedophile priests and preachers come to mind). Abby's dad wants to convince LE that he is religious and their relationship had a strong religious component to it.

"I am very worried that you are out there in the cold, because I don't know if you have a jacket." This is the key sentence, IMO. "I'm very worried" (sensitivity) that " you are out there in the cold" (why not just say "cold"? Possible leakage- shes out there in the cold) "because" (highest level of sensitivity) "I don't know if you have a jacket" ("I don't know"- more a$$ covering) (even if she had a jacket ("jacket" leakage) she would be cold if she was outside in NH in November).

She may be out there in the cold without a jacket, probably deceased and hidden in the woods. She may have left her jacket in the house if he was waiting for her in a warmed car.

What's his motive to kill? If he had been abusing her, she may have threatened to tell on him? Sounds like she had already told her boyfriend. She may have been pregnant? He may have felt that he was losing control over her?

I hope I'm wrong and that she has run away and will return some day to receive the love she deserves and the help she needs.


Praying for Abby said...

Alternative theory: sex traffickers set up shop in a local hotel, saw her passing by and nabbed her. http://www.newhampshire.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20131016/NEWS03/131019370/-1/newhampshire1404&template=newhampshire1407

Maggie said...

Praying for Abby--I appreciate your thoughts. I don't know if you read my other comments in this thread though, as I expressed a great deal of skepticism towards the father and stated that I felt his words suggested possible incest.
I came from a household with 2 abusive parents one of whom was sadistic. I am very aware that the abuser views the child as an object.
I was very condemning of the father.
I should have been more clear though--I don't discredit the possibility the father could have have killed his daughter. I was going on what I thought LE had said that they didn't believe she had made it home--if this was case I think it was more likely a predator. However, I agree with you--waiting a month to speak out to his daughter is very suspect. Also, on looking at the father's letter again, there is one part that I find to be very suspicious. Give me a few minutes so I can analyze it.

Maggie said...

Here is the paragraph that I find particularly concerning written in full. Analysis follows.

"You probably didn't anticipate all the media attention that you are getting, and we understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening. But please know that I promise that I will do my best to keep the media away from you, and no one will embarrass you. For whatever reason that may have caused you to run away you know deep in your heart that you can always come to me, as you have in the past and we can work it out. No matter what it is."

"You probably didn't anticipate all the media attention that you are getting, and we understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening."

You PROBABLY didn't ANTICIPATE
--PROBABLY implies that she may have anticipated the media attention but it is likely she did not
--the writer does not say "you probably did not "expect" all the media attention, but rather chooses the word "anticipate" which is frequently used when someone is looking forward to something with excitement

"that you are getting"
--not "that your disappearance is getting" but rather "that you are getting" as if she is a movie star

"and we understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening."

and WE (who is "we"?) understand that it can be overwhelming and a bit frightening

the media attention is
1) overwhelming (again this is how "movie stars" feel when they achieve sudden fame)
2) a bit frightening (the media attention is "overwhelming" but only "a bit frightening")

"But please know that I promise that I will do my best to keep the media away from you, and no one will embarrass you."

"But please know (the writer is imploring) that I (change in pronouns from "we" to "I") promise that I will do my best (not that he will keep the media away but he will do his best) to keep the media away from you, and no one (who is noone? Noone is not the media. Noone is one individual person) will embarrass you (the word "embarrass" stands out within the context of this letter that many have suggested there may have been incest going on--who does the writer think would "embarrass" Abby?).

"For whatever reason that may have caused you to run away you know deep in your heart that you can always come to me, as you have in the past and we can work it out. No matter what it is."

"For whatever reason" ("reason" is singular implying the writer knows there is ONE reason) that may have caused (this ONE reason "caused") you to run away you know deep in your heart (the heart is emotional) that you can always come to me, as you have in the past (what did she come to him in the past about?) and we can work it out (what needs to be "worked out"--the reason she ran away the writer wants her to know that "we" will work it out implying that he is involved in this "reason" and it needs to be worked out with his help). No matter what it is. (The writer does not say of Abby's reason for running away "no matter what it MAY BE as he did earlier but is now switching to a more definitive "what it is" suggesting that the writer knows that there was a definite problem that involved HIM as he says "we" will work it out.

Maggie said...

Just to sum up why I am concerned about the paragraph from the letter which I analyzed:

I feel that the father is subtly blaming of Abby for the media attention being given to her case and even leaking out a kind of jealousy that it is "her" getting the media attention, as if she is a movie star.

I feel that analysis shows that the father also has knowledge of why Abby might want to run away and that the reason involves him and that she has come to him before to discuss the matter. Analysis also shows that the father has knowledge that whatever Abby's concern was that would make her want to run away might also be "embarrassing" to her and that she felt someone would "embarrass" her.

Anonymous said...

Maggie, please note: noone = no one. "No one" is two separate words, not one).

Anonymous said...

There could be other motives behind the eating and jacket comments. Statements like those are often used to try and humanize a captive to their abductor. For all we know, the fbi could have helped him write it!

Anon said...

Anon @ 10:43, Please note: A set of parantheses has 2 parantheses, not one. Since you're so perfect, I figured you'd want to know!

Maggie said...

Anon--Thanks for pointing this out. I've made that mistake since I was a kid. I snapped out of it for a while, but it is funny how I notice my spelling has gotten worse over the years especially when typing. I also notice how when typing I often spell words like words they sound like, something I never used to do, for example spelling "right" as "write" etc. Maybe an early form of senility?
I hope not! Well, anyway, I would be interested to hear anyone else's analysis of the letter. The more I think about it, the more suspicious the letter seems to me.

Anonymous said...

re Speaking of himself in the 3rd person, this indicates to me that he is quite distanced from his daughter but wants to emphasis his ROLE in the media storm - DAD. Also it may refer back to an earlier time when Abigail was small and referred to herself in the 3rd person. To me, it implies that he has no authority or relationship with her as 'I' but has to remind her he's 'DAD'.

The letter is weird. My mum called me 'sweetheart' in affection, however the way he uses it here is as if he doesn't know his daughter's name, the way some men use it very casually, as to a waitress... I don;t see it as romantic or affectionate, but impersonal and overused.

Anonymous said...

Nothing makes me think it was written by a woman. Why do you think so? Also I've noticed narcissistic people sometimes refer to themselves in the third person as if they were characters...

Perhaps using 'dad' is one way of dropping the pronoun 'I' and removing himself from the picture.

Sus said...

Talking in third person is a way of pointing out your own accomplishment. I believe he was saying, "Look who remembered the password. Your dad." The statement goes right along with the tone of the letter...to prove he is closer than anyone else to Abby.

He signs DAD in caps for the same reason. He is asserting himself to the public, and maybe Abby, as her father. Remember, this was written a month after Abby's disappearance. Her mother's boyfriend was interviewed from his ship in the Indian Ocean. Abby's boyfriend's father has been interviewed extensively, and is very vocal about bring her home.

I agree with the poster that "sweetheart" is overused and not a term of endearment in this letter...just the opposite. The father is not close to Abby, but trying to portray he is.

Anonymous said...

I find his talk of Abby's possible embarrassment out of place and creepy. If he wants her home, why remind her that she may feel she has reason to be embarrassed?

Praying for Abby said...

Anon @ 2:10-

The FBI may have told him to include things like warmth and food, but I doubt they helped him write it, particularly the religious and "darling" jazz. The way he wrote the letter is interesting- lots of posturing, etc.

I could see how humanizing her to a captor/abductor may sway him to treat her with a minimal ounce of dignity. It sounds like Ariel Castro treated the women better or worse depending on how much he perceived them to be loved by their families. If, however, the object of the letter is to sway the captor, why not have a top psychologist/psychiatrist help write the letter, someone who understands that the only way to get through to a predator is to help him get in touch with his own victimization/degradation as a kid. You can't get them to feel (empathy) for others unless you can first get them to feel for themselves. They're disconnected from their emotions. I could see a way for this to be done subtlety in a letter from a parent to a missing daughter.

Praying for Abby said...

I am heartbroken over the thought of Abby in the hands of a human predator.

Maggie said...

"I am very worried that you are out there in the cold, because I don't know if you have a jacket."

I just noticed that the Dad does not say "I am very worried that you are out there in the cold, because I don't know IF YOU HAVE A JACKET WITH YOU." Rather, he says "I don't know IF YOU HAVE A JACKET".

Is this a subtle dig at the Mom or simply a window into his thinking that his "concern" is that Mom may not have provided Abby with a winter jacket? I remember in the Dr. Phil interview with Mark and Elaine Redwine, Mark tried to blame Elaine for any danger/risk facing Dylan after he disappeared on the fact that Elaine had forgotten to pack his jacket.

Abby's Dad and Dylan's Dad, similarly, do not express their "worry" in broader terms of they are so worried that their child has been missing for weeks and the larger fear of possible/probable abduction and harm which may have happened to the child, but rather focus on this relatively peripheral concern of whether the child HAS A JACKET.

Maggie said...

Sus and Praying for Abby--Good points!

Anonymous said...

Well Maggie! Mark Redwine may be a low down dirty dog, which he clearly IS and reeks of human feces as well, which he EATS; HOWEVER, I also wondered why Elaine Redwine would send her little son off on a flight to a very cold and rugged climate for a Thanksgiving vacation with NO JACKET!

As for Abbys' father, how the hell could he know if she was wearing a jacket or not since he wasn't there when she disappeared! This would be a logical question, or statement, and NOT a slap at Abbys' mother unless she had told him whether or not Abby was wearing a jacket; that is, if she even knew herself. Dang woman, have you no common sense AT ALL?

Maggie said...

Anon--Have YOU no common sense at all?
Abigail Hernandez' father wrote this letter ONE MONTH after Abby disappeared! He has had ONE MONTH to ask her mother whether or not Abby had a jacket with her the day she disappeared. LE would also obviously have been very concerned about whether Abby had a jacket with her when she disappeared, particularly in the early days when they would have been considering whether it was possible she could have been a runaway or have had some kind of medical incident along the path or in the woods! So, if Abby's father did not feel "emotionally able" to ask the mother about it, he could have easily asked LE about whether or not his daughter had a jacket with her when she went missing.
If your child went missing, would you not have found out whether or not they had a jacket with them when they went missing?!. This would be a question that would enter the parent's head on DAY ONE of the child going missing!
I also notice that you are being disparaging towards Dylan Redwine's mother and seem to be using the same "blame the victim" type thinking as Mark Redwine.
It is interesting, because you sound a lot like the individual who was bashing Trista on one of the last Ayla threads. Your name wouldn't be Derek, Phoebe, or Heidi would it?

Anonymous said...

High school kids don't wear jackets in October. She had a sweatshirt on in the video leaving school I believe. I doubt she had a warm winter jacket packed in her school backpack. He should know that, even just from the video, but if he spoke with Abby's mother, he'd know if a warmer jacket of hers was missing. If she didn't have one with her to begin with, where would she get one?

Maggie said...

"Well darling let me also say that I love you very, very, very much, and that you will always be my daughter."

"let me ALSO SAY..."

Are these words "from the heart" or are they words he is just "saying" to make an impression?

Concerned father or sociopath?

Waiting... said...

Peter- are you going to analyze this letter? I hope so, and I hope soon. I can't get this case and this sweet girl's face out of my head.

Anonymous said...

I wish he would analyze it too, but it doesn't look like he is going too. He is too busy analyzing stuff about that ridiculous mayor. I am very concerned about this case also.

Anonymous said...

Mom isnt being entirely honest. Mms behavior in her day to day life is entirely different from on tv. Cracking jokes about running away, says LE is lying about what Abby was wearing and that Abby was never on the powerline trail.How does she know?

Anonymous said...

The mother is not telling the truth. The mother was cracking jokes abou running away with the money peopke are raising. The mother was out at a local bar partying two weeks after Abby went missing and feels victimized for being dragged out by the fbi. The mother was supposedly at Walmart the day Abby went missing but not on surveillance cameras? The FBI behavior analysts were buoght in immediately. Hmmm? expert statement analysts have thrown up red flags regarding her statements and behavior.

Anonymous said...

This case is weirder than the normal weirdness that surrounds missing children/teens because of the letter written appx. 2 weeks after she was missing. Written on the 22nd, postmarked on the 23rd (could mean after hours drop or mail drop box somewhere convenient) and her mother replied exactly on the date one month later. Missing three days before her birthday=wth?

They won't show the letter because they don't want to chase down copycats (and who would want to spend their time analyzing a bunch of letters anyway?)

Perhaps they are really searching for a hacker which is why they mention Bible verse as password and 2 tunes yet to be downloaded.

The tarot readers have this one more correctly than any other as one finds the numer 88 significant and also knows someone is mocking.

example:No normal 14 year old likes"scriptures"the fathers a dweeb. (this person declares what is normal and what isn't)

At least we can rule out military since she wasn't missing on the 10th or the 11th and perhaps a drug organization since the double numbers keep coming up not to mention the timeliness of the wordings and responses.

So, why don't they just release the letter? It contains made for TV reality hardship and conflicts for a divorced family? It contains blame and shame on others that aren't normal?

I watched a really yuckey movie about Sylvia Likens and her abuser made her write her own letter explaining how someone other than the real torturer had destroyed her mind, body and soul.

This girl smirks instead of smiles. This could be taken the wrong way by someone that found her attractive. Perhaps it could be seen as a put down when this is her normal expression. She may be more innocent than she looks in photos...not normal to many that have grown up in a reality based world.

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