Wednesday, January 15, 2014
John & Patsy Ramsey January 1, 1997 Interview Analyzed
I am taking another look at the case of murdered child Jonbenet Ramsey. We now know that the Boulder Grand Jury indicted John and Patsy Ramsey in "death by child abuse", but the then District Attorney, Alex Hunter, did not sign the indictment. Indicted for her death, we find linguistic indicators of sexual abuse within their language, and confirmation that Patsy Ramsey and the ransom note are linked.
Aired January 1, 1997 - 4:34 p.m. ET
NATALIE ALLEN, CNN ANCHOR: And Brian is here, he conducted an exclusive interview today with the child's parents, John and Patricia Ramsey.
BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: First of all, from a newsstand point, a couple of item's came out, the Ramsey are going to be putting together their own investigative team, they say, private investigates. This is not meant as any disrespect, they say, for the Colorado authorities. They just want the best mind possible, they say, looking into this crime.
Secondly, they will be offering a reward perhaps as much as $50,000 starting next week. It has been a very difficult week as you might expect for the Ramsey family, a very difficult interview as well, we talked to them for about 45 minutes.
CABELL (off-camera): Why did you decide you wanted to talk now?
JOHN B. RAMSEY, JONBENET'S FATHER: Well we have been pretty isolated -- totally isolated -- for the last five days, but we've sensed from our friends that this tragedy has touched not just ourselves and our friends but many people. And we know that there's many people that are praying for us, that are grieving with us. And we want to thank them, to let them know that we are healing, and that we know in our hearts that JonBenet is safe and with God and that the grieving that we all have to do is for ourselves and for our loss, but we want to thank those people that care about us.
John Ramsey said that they decided to talk now because they have been "pretty" isolated, and "totally isolated" while his wife, Patsy says they decided to talk now because they have been "overwhelmed" by people visiting, even those who they have not seen for years.
John Ramsey relates to his daughter as "Jonbenet" while she is "safe" "and" with God.
PATRICIA RAMSEY, JONBENET'S MOTHER: We have just been overwhelmed by the cards and letters and visits and people we haven't seen for years have come to call and be supportive in their -- many of them are parents, and they know and can feel our grief.
RAMSEY, J: But the other -- the other reason is that -- for our grief to resolve itself we now have to find out why this happened.
Here the subject says they most find out "why" and not "who" killed Jonbenet.
CABELL: There has been some question as to why you hired a defense attorney.
RAMSEY, J: I know. Well, we were fortunate from almost the moment that we found the note to be surrounded by friends, our minister, our family doctor, a personal friend of mine who is also an attorney, and we relied on their guidance almost from that moment on and my friend suggested that it would be foolish not to have knowledgeable counsel to help both us and with the investigation.
It is interesting to hear him say that these people, including an attorney, would help the investigation. How many ministers, family doctors and lawyers are familiar with murder investigations?
RAMSEY, P: And if anyone knows anything, please, please help us. For the safety of all of the children, we have to find out who did this.
Patsy says they have to find out "who" did this, while John Ramsey wanted to find out "why"
RAMSEY, J: Not because we're angry, but because we have got to go on.
Note the father of a murdered child says they are not angry.
RAMSEY, P: We can't -- we can't --
RAMSEY, J: This -- we cannot go on until we know why. There's no answer as to why our daughter died.
CABELL: Are you fully convinced that your daughter was kidnapped by some outsiders outside your family or circle of friends?
RAMSEY, J: Yes. I -- we don't -- you know, it's just so hard to know, but we are -- our family is a loving family. It's a gentle family. We have lost one child. We know how precious their lives are .
Note the pronoun change from "I" to "we"
CABELL: Mrs. Ramsey -- you found the note. Was it a handwritten note, three pages?
Note above John said ,"we" found the note.
RAMSEY, P: I didn't -- I couldn't read the whole thing I -- I just gotten up. We were on our -- it was the day after Christmas, and we were going to go visiting, and it was quite early in the morning, and I had got dressed and was on my way to the kitchen to make some coffee, and we have a back staircase from the bedroom areas, and I always come down that staircase, and I am usually the first one down. And the note was lying across the -- three pages -- across the run of one of the stair treads, and it was kind of dimly lit.
This is a highly sensitive portion of the statement for Patsy Ramsey: the Ransom Note.
In the SCAN technique, the color coding uses blue as the highest level of sensitivity. It is used in only two causes:
1. The leaving of a place
2. The reason why
In this case, we see that the subject anticipates being asked "why did you...?" in certain aspects and in anticipation gives her reasons why, making it very sensitive. We see several "blues" together, which is called a "cluster of blues", which is where we focus our attention.
First, note the order of her answer which suggests alibi building:
"I just gotten up" tells us she needs to explain why she did not read the note and has been something discussed: that Patsy was in the same clothing she wore the night before and had not gone to sleep. In her book she does not say she had slept.
"We were going to go visiting" is not "we were going visiting"
"It was quite early in the morning" as another reason why she had not read the note;
"I had got dressed" and not "I got dressed", with "had" showing passage of time. How much time? The former Miss America contestant was wearing the same clothes from the day before; not something expected.
Next, she tells us the reason she went to the kitchen and the reason why she took that staircase and the reason why no one was up but her. This is extreme sensitivity (blues)
Please note the inanimate object (ransom note) was "lying"; often when an inanimate object is given body posture, it is because the subject put it there.
"kind of dimly lit" continues with giving the reasons why she did not read it.
The not reading of the note, reported first in the negative, is given many reasons, as if it is of extreme importance rather than just a passing detail, that the analyst should strongly question why Patsy Ramsey would have not only no need to read the note, but why such a strong need to explain why. This suggests that she had no need to read it because she wrote it.
Please see analysis on the ransom note itself, indicating Patsy Ramsey as author.
It was just very early in the morning,
the early hour is repeated; very sensitive to her.
and I started to read it, and it was addressed to John. It said "Mr. Ramsey," And it said, "we have your daughter." And I -- you know, it just was -- it just wasn't registering, and I -- I may have gotten through another sentence. I can't -- "we have your daughter." and I don't know if I got any further than that. And I immediately ran back upstairs and pushed open her door, and she was not in her bed, and I screamed for John.
We note the opening and closing of doors in a statement. This is often found where there is child sexual abuse. One should wonder if Patsy Ramsey knew about Jonbenet being sexual abused, and if Patsy Ramsey had been sexually abused, herself, in childhood.
CABELL: John, you subsequently read the note. Was there anything in there that struck you in any sense?
RAMSEY, J: Well, no. I mean, I read it very fast. I was out of my mind. And it said "Don't call the police." You know, that type of thing. And I told Patsy, call the police immediately. And I think I ran through the house a bit.
Note: John Ramsey only "thinks" he "ran" through the house "a bit" while Patsy tells us that they both ran and why they ran:
RAMSEY, P: We went to check our son.
John only "thinks" which reduces commitment. He allows for himself or others to "think" differently.
The overwhelming number of mothers say "my son", so when we hear "our", we may question if more than just biological parenting is involved, or if divorce has been spoken about.
RAMSEY, J: Checked our son's room. Sometimes she sleeps in there. And we just were --
"Checked our son's room" drops the pronoun. John Ramsey only "thinks" (above) but here, he drops the pronoun entirely.
RAMSEY, P: We were just frantic.
This is an example of how speech gives us away. "We were frantic" is straightforward, though "I was frantic" from a mother of a 'missing' child is expected, but to add "just" indicates that within the subject's mind, at this moment, she is comparing something to "frantic." With a missing child, frantic is the expected. The need to compare frantic with not being frantic is not, at all, expected. This suggests a need to portray, even while she is thinking contrary.
CABELL: How did you happen later to look in the basement?
It was reported that John went to the basement, so this question is directed to him:
RAMSEY, J: Well, we'd waited until after the time that the call was supposed to have been made to us, and one of the detectives asked me and my friend who was there to go through every inch of the house to see if there was anything unusual or abnormal that looked out of place.
Note that "my friend" does not have the friend's name which is less than a full social introduction suggesting a troubled relationship.
RAMSEY, P: Look for clues I guess.
Since they claimed to have looked for Jonbenet in her brother's room, why would they not search for the child throughout the house? Since they were "running" in the house, why would they only check one room? This is unexpected.
Note "I guess" is to remove himself from commitment.
RAMSEY, J: Look for clues, asking us to do that, give us something more to do to occupy our mind, and so we started in the basement, and -- and we were just looking, and we -- one room in the basement that -- when I opened the door -- there were no windows in that room, and I turned the light on, and I -- that was her.
We have two linguistic indicators of childhood sexual abuse:
1. Opening of a door
2. Turning on of a light
"that was her"with the word "that" immediately showing distance. Why, at this point in the story, would distancing language be used? He did not say he found her, only "that" was her. Note that she is "her" and not his daughter, nor Jonbenet.
RAMSEY, P: She was --
CABELL (off camera): You were asked shortly thereafter for a hair sample and writing sample, blood sample. Who else was asked for this?
RAMSEY, J: Well, Patsy and I, Burke, our son, who is nine, every family member.
CABELL: Including your two elder children?
RAMSEY, J: Uh-huh.
CABELL: Any friends?
RAMSEY, J: I don't know.
CABELL: Now, did you give the samples?
RAMSEY, J: Uh-huh.
CABELL: Oh, really? Because the word was that they thought you were too grief stricken. So both of you, you gave samples?
RAMSEY, J: Yes.
The interviewer did not ask if they had initially refused or delayed the investigation.
CABELL: Were you offended by that?
RAMSEY, J: No.
RAMSEY, P: It was difficult. But, you know, they need to know -- I mean our hand prints are all over our home, so they need to know if there's -- if there are other ones --
CABELL: The police said a couple of days ago, to assure other residents of Boulder there is no killer on the loose here, you can be assured everything is under control. You believe it's someone outside your home.
RAMSEY, P: There is a killer on the loose.
RAMSEY, J: Absolutely.
In another interview, John Ramsey reported living in a "safe" neighborhood even though a 'sadistic killer' who had broken into his home, and tortured and murdered his daughter.
RAMSEY, P: I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a he or a she. But if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you, there's someone out there.
CABELL: An FBI spokesman was quoted as saying at this point they don't regard it necessarily as a kidnapping. You think that's a wrong assumption?
RAMSEY, J: I don't know. I mean, there is a -- a note that said -- your daughter has been kidnapped. We have your daughter. We want money. You give us the money; she'll be safely returned.
RAMSEY, P: It seemed like kidnapping to me.
RAMSEY, J: I guess that's what concerns me because if we don't have the full resources of all the law enforcement community on this case, I am going to be very upset.
Note that he is not angry, and he is not upset though his daughter is murdered. He is only "going to be" very upset if they do not have the full resources of all the law enforcement community.
CABELL: Inevitably, speculation on talk shows will focus on you. It's got to be a sickening --
RAMSEY, J: It's nauseating beyond belief.
RAMSEY, P: You know, America has just been hurt so deeply with the -- this -- the tragic things that have happened. The young woman who drove her children into the water, and we don't know what happened with the O.J. Simpson -- and I mean, America is suffering because have lost faith in the American family.
In another interview, John Ramsey calls the murder of Jonbenet a "tragedy" repeatedly, rather than a murder or a killing.
Note here the tangent of OJ Simpson
Note the invocation of Deity in any statement:
We are a Christian, God-fearing family. We love our children. We would do anything for our children.
CABELL: Do you truly think the perpetrator will be found?
RAMSEY, J: Yes. Yes. Has to be found.
CABELL: Do you think it's a single individual?
RAMSEY, J: Yes. In my heart I do.
CABELL: Do you take some comfort in believing that JonBenet Ramsey is in a better place.
RAMSEY, J: Yes. That's the one thing we want people dealing with us to know, to believe that, we know that in our heart.
RAMSEY, P: She'll never have to know the loss of a child . She will never have to know cancer or death of a child.
RAMSEY, J: We learned when we lost our first child that people would come forward to us, that sooner or later everyone carries a very heavy burden in this life. And JonBenet didn't carry any burdens.
Here, of not carrying burdens, she is "Jonbenet"
What "burdens" would John Ramsey suspect a young child would carry? There are linguistic indicators here, and elsewhere that John Ramsey may have been associated with childhood sexual abuse.