Tuesday, August 5, 2014

When You Discern Deception...

                                                                   by Peter Hyatt


I've said it before, and it bears repetition:  You do not have to "out" a liar.

"Be as wise as a serpent, but as gentle as a dove."

You read here because you enjoy seeing the truth exposed within news stories.  A profile emerges, in an almost composite like manner of readers, via their comments, yet even the interest, of having landed here, perhaps due to a specific story, but to remain, speaks volumes.

I recognize that there are some who land here due to a specific case, and do not stay as a regular reader, or commentator.  Having an interesting experience in a case, it is likely that some will see a news story and wonder if it is being covered here.  These are the casual readers.

Then there are those who were so impressed in a specific story, that they remained, and went on to not only donate comments but ask questions.

Then there are those who have gone even further; comments, questions, but also an investment of self:  wanting to learn principle.

These are those who often give various links of stories they wish to be covered, which has become so valuable, that rather than "Drudge Report" as my first stop for news stories in the morning, I go specifically to a page that shows me all the comments left, no matter which article or post they are under.

It is impossible to cover all the stories, which makes transcription all the more valuable.

Some readers have become disappointed to learn that by simply watching a video of someone scratching their nose in an interview doesn't yield exacting answers, while others have embraced that discerning deception is not magical, nor a type of wizardry, but hard work.  The "Lie to Me" mania, which produced "experts" everywhere, akin to 'psychics', has subsided.

What is left is hard work.

For those who have learned, their lives have changed.  They likely have found, as do most, that they will never again listen to people speak in the way they used to.

Wisdom, however, is justified by her children.

I have been in various negotiations of sorts where large amounts of money was being discussed.  Later asked, "How did you know?", I responded with the simple answer:

"I counted how many times she repeated herself while you were out of the room.  It was four times."

This information put me at a distinct advantage.

"So, why didn't you say anything?"

I write this for those of you who have learned much, and have sharpened your skill, exponentially, over the years, by using the internet.  The internet is an amazing advancement of technology that has caused communication to disseminate in ways that have baffled us all not named Al Gore.  It has provided instant samples of which to apply the scientific process distilled by Avinoam Sapir of LSI (SCAN)

Rather than say anything, please consider the advantage you have when knowing that someone, particularly someone who is your superior in employment, and remain silent.

Remain silent.

In other words, "Do not speak", which, in the negative, is very important.

Many of you have heard me say this on radio, and have read it here, but there is an another element I ask you to carefully consider.

"In a multitude of words, there wanteth not sin" is an ancient wisdom from another world.  Liars, as we have seen repeatedly, are under a pressure to persuade, therefore, they use additional words which makes our job easier.

I ask you not only to not say anything unless absolutely necessary (and use the 24 Hour Rule:  write your email, or prepare your statement, and then wait 24 hours to see if you still want to send it or say it) and then consider this:

It may be to your advantage to let no one know that you have any understanding of how to discern deception.

This may go against some of the trainings you may have attended, in person, over the past few years. I have issued training certificates for some of you to post ostentatiously in your office, or even outside your office where it is readily seen.  We did this so that there would be, in particular, a restraining effect upon thieves in larger businesses where just the fear of being caught helps reduce shrinkage.

This is a judgement call of wisdom based upon context.

My advice on the above is for the individual who, should one reveal the lies of the supervisor, for example, may find himself or herself being bullied...bullied right out of a job.

Try to think long term.

Exposing a lie can actually be exciting, but you must consider that the excitement will fade, and resentment will increase, and over time, others may become less enamored with you, as they learn that you count words, for example, or listen to pronouns more than others.

Of course for honest people, this is often not something that causes concern.

Have you ever met someone who thinks everyone is lying?

I'm not speaking of jaded police officers who fail deception detection tests because they think everyone and everyone's mother is lying.  I mean a civilian in business.

There may be reasons for this.  Some businesses, such as high-line pre-owned car sales, have deception in seemingly every sentence.

Others may believe that everyone is lying because he or she has been horribly lied to and the emotional damage (and psychological damage) has left PTSD-like hyper vigilance in its wake. This happens and is more common than I used to think.

Yet I speak of one who thinks everyone is lying, everyone is out to get me, everyone is gaming the system simply due to projection.

This person, himself, is a liar from youth, and believes that everyone thinks the way he does.

Projection is natural.  The lack of self awareness, however, is what causes the damage of projection.  A self aware person can recognize this trait and work through it, and even overcome its damaging impact, but this also is rare.

Wisdom says to wait.

Wisdom says to limit your words.

Information is powerful.

Hold on to your gain, do not boast, but continue to work hard, practicing often, familiar with the language of humility, so that you can grow.

Consider carefully that when you discern deception, you are not only not obligated to enlighten others, it may be in your best interest not to.

George Washington did not like to give advice because, he said, it was rarely taken, and often led to bitterness.

This, however, is not personal, and via the internet, is able to be taken within varying personal contexts, applied appropriately, just as readily as it can be dismissed.

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We are hoping to expand our Statement Analysis services to include audio files, transcription services, and  online courses available via download.

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45 comments:

LC said...

Coincidently, I returned to check if there were any postings or comments on the latest interview with Hannah Anderson (which I have not seen) when I saw this post.
I must fall into a category somewhere above 'Casual' but below the full instruction level!
I often read articles & comments of topics of interest without commenting, but I do tend to avoid subjects that I have missed the original incident.

Anonymous said...

I feel like the more I try to know in SA the less I know. I need to hold my opinion more. Is there another subset of people, Peter? People who distrust because they were taught to distrust?

Anonymous said...

I have come across people where they are unwilling to accept statement analysis because they believe the words they are hearing. In my opinion, they have been lied to so much that they accept the words of liars as truth. They have accustomed themselves to hearing liars speak and are unable to discern deception.

Carnival Barker said...

Peter,

I transcribed Hannah Anderson's latest interview, if you're interested.

There was very little new information, and I noticed that they kept her narratives VERY short. It was very one-sided in her favor and they glossed over her 36-hour Ambien (but being awake at Immigration check point), her leg brace that kept switching legs, and how she was able to play Russian Roulette with her hands now handcuffed AND zip-tied in this latest version.

Peter Hyatt said...

CB,

post it!

and...

thank you.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
I have come across people where they are unwilling to accept statement analysis because they believe the words they are hearing. In my opinion, they have been lied to so much that they accept the words of liars as truth. They have accustomed themselves to hearing liars speak and are unable to discern deception.>>


Hence, the point: in Statement Analysis, we are more likely to believe what someone says than anyone else.

We don't interpret, however. That is the difference.

Peter

Vance Holmes said...

I read here because I am a playwright. As a dramatist's forum, the rules from this site become tools for crafting juicy dialogue! This blog is tremendously insightful. I am grateful for it. Thank you.

Laurie Hazen said...

Peter, You forgot to mention those readers, like myself who sincerely wanted to learn SA and read your blog daily, but was chased off your blog by the more overly protective fans who decided to hold their own version of the Salem Witch Trials and declared me guilty. Of what? I don't know. Sadly, I'm not the only one.

Carnival Barker said...

It was an hour-long special on NBC, and the majority of it was narrated by Savannah Guthrie with just a few lines here and there by Hannah. I'll post some of Hannah's pearls ...


GUTHRIE: Hannah says her mother and brother are supposed to arrive ahead in a separate car. As she and Jim pull up to DiMaggio's home, things seem normal. But just inside the front door everything changes. Hannah sees her mom's handbag on the table and right next to it something else: handcuffs. In that instant things suddenly shift. Uncle Jim begins to act like to somebody she doesn't even recognize.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He was really angry. You could see in his eyes he was really angry. He handcuffed me and zip-tied me. He put me on the couch and told me his plan and that he was going to kidnap me."

GUTHRIE: Did you think Is he serious? Can this real be happening?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He used to teach me and Ethan a bunch of self-defense when we were little, so I thought maybe this was one of his, like, demonstrations, but then it started getting really weird and that's when I started freaking out, like, what is going on?"

GUTHRIE: Did you ask him? Did you cry? Did you yell at him?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "Oh, I was -- I cried the whole time. I was so scared."

GUTHRIE: And then Hannah says things get more frightening still.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He made me play Russian Roulette with him."

GUTHRIE: Uncle Jim, the trusted family friend, has pulled out a gun.

And did he fire off a chamber?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He did to himself, he had it in his mouth, the gun. And then he put it to my head, and then I started crying and then he stopped."

GUTHRIE: Did he pull the trigger?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "No. Not on me."

GUTHRIE: She's handcuffed, zip-tied, she's had a gun pointed to her head, but suddenly Hannah hears something that gives her hope that she's not alone. It's the voice of her brother Ethan in another part of the house.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "I could hear him trying to yell, but he was -- Jim told me was gagged upstairs. So I was -- I yelled his name, and he told me to be quiet. And it was just really terrible."

GUTHRIE: Hannah says he threatens her to keep quiet or her family will be harmed. Then he gives her a pill.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He drugged me with Ambien so I was out sleeping."

GUTHRIE: Did you know it was Ambien at the time?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "No, he told me it was Tylenol, because I told him I had a headache."

GUTHRIE: What was the last thing you remember?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "Him giving me the pill."

GUTHRIE: Exactly what happens next is unclear, but right around midnight a blue Nissan Versa heads west on Old Highway 80 leaving Boulevard, California, and Hannah and Jim are inside. A border patrol agent sees them at an immigration check point not far from the Mexico border. He thinks it's just a father and daughter. He waves them through, and they head off into the night.

S + K Mum said...

Recently an assault took place near my home. I saw the victim after the assault and recognised who it was. I saw the perp but couldn't get a face view to see who it was. LE spoke to me after, I told them what I saw.....LE told me the victim claimed it was THREE unknown youths. I almost laughed put loud because the neighbourhood is talking and the victim and perp are related, allegedly!

Carnival Barker said...



GUTHRIE: Tell me about that first few minutes of realizing where you were.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "I was handcuffed to the bottom of the chair in the car, and I just didn't know what was going on. I was, like, waking up in the middle of, like, I don't even know, a dream. It was weird. Like, where am I? Where is my mom? Where is my brother?"

GUTHRIE: DiMaggio and Hannah arrive at a trailhead about 5 miles from Cascade, Idaho.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "He found a spot to park his car and he told me that we had to cover it with tree branches. And then he took the license plate off. When we got halfway up the mountain he threw it off the mountain with his wallet and keys."

GUTHRIE: Hannah doesn't know it, but they have minimal supplies, even less food, and no real long-term plan at all. DiMaggio's taking her into a wilderness known as the River of No Return.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "It was very steep, slippery, rugged, big rocks. Just hot, cold, random thunderstorms. You'd slip and fall, you'd slide down, like, a dirt hill. We had two 50-pound backpacks I had to carry back and for. I had to carry that plus carry a cat. He told in his plan was just to go to the river and find a camping spot and he'd just live there and he'd help me get home and that everyone, my mom, me, and Ethan, can all go back to our normal lives after."

GUTHRIE: Did he have that gun the whole time?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "Yeah, in his pocket the whole time."

GUTHRIE: Hannah struggles to keep up, but the pace takes its toll.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "We lost the trail and it started thundering, and I was carrying those big, heavy backpacks. And the tree -- one tree fell over and there was no way to go around it, and we had to go under it, so I had to bend down, and it twisted my left knee. I was crying and it hurt so bad. But I kept going."

Carnival Barker said...



GUTHRIE: You got back and you were in the hospital. You had spent five days out in the wilderness. Did you look at yourself in the mirror?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "It didn't look like me. I just sat there and stared at myself for, like, 20 minutes, just -- and then out of nowhere I started crying."

GUTHRIE: Is it something more than just the messed-up hair and the tears? Was it something deeper?

HANNAH ANDERSON: "That I lost part of me, my family, everything. Half of me is gone now."

GUTHRIE: For Hannah, homecoming is bittersweet. Hannah is home safe. In some stories, that would be the end. But in this one there's a whole second act. Two days after she's rescued Hannah is online talking to strangers about the events of the past week.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "I was gone for a week. I just wanted to look at what I've missed. I logged onto my Ask and I had thousands of questions and just thought maybe some of them should have been answered."

Anonymous said...

@S&K

Neighborhood gossip doesn't mean it is true. It's just gossip. It isn't unusal to see THREE young youths doing damage as they often travel in THREES. Just because statement analysis deems three a liars number doesn't make it true.

Recently THREE youths showed up at my house to do damage.

Anonymous said...

http://www.birtherreport.com/2011/11/is-obama-really-bari-shabazz-fugitive.html


incredibly interesting. I think Obama was Malcolm X's baby. his mom was CIA agent Stanley Ann Dunnam, and later called Loretta Fuddy when she confirmed his false birth certificate, and was then murdered cuople months later. I think Obama's given first name was Bari. He was born in NYC. He was tortured and brainwashed as a child - perhaps by multiple people but specifically by Frank Marshall Davis. Obama's a victim. He does what he's told. He's a puppet. Incredible story.

S + K Mum said...

There was 1 victim and 1 perp. Not 3, that's my point - the victim did lie and he chose to say it was 3, rather than 2 or 4. I know rumour is gossip, thats why I said 'allegedly'.

LisaB said...

PETER!
How would I go about getting your permission to link to your article on the lifelong effects of child sexual abuse? I am trying to keep the man who molested my daughter behind bars for his full sentence and would like to link to that piece since it is amazing how well you seem to "get it". The purpose of my site is not to raise any funds whatsoever, its purpose is to petition visitors to email the parole board with their objections to his release.

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Buckley said...

http://www.king5.com/news/SUV-of-missing-Oregon-mom-Jennifer-Huston-found-270047471.html

Jennifer Huston found dead- no foul play apparent. So sad :(

Anonymous said...

I'd be willing to "donate" transcription services from time to time if you have projects that allow for a week or so turnaround time. I've done legal & medical transcription in the past. Might work for some of the older or cold cases for which you'd like to do analysis. Items half an hour or less in length would be my preference. If interested, let me know how best to proceed. I bet you may have a willing pool of volunteer transcriptionists here just like CB, above!

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Anonymous said...

Hannah Anderson

It most likly did happen as she claims; movie minded media personalities have been know to trick viewers,e.g. moving leg brace.

Back to erotomania:
He met her mother when she was 6 months pregnant. Not his child;if delusional he might think so.

Russian roulette, handcuffing, backpacking through the wilderness...too many 80's movies about Vietnam.

She may have been drawn to him via his imagination. I doubt she had to carry the THOSE backpacks (50 lbs each) and most likly took any pill available.

Keeping a cat through the whole ordeal is baffling to say the least-especially when carring two heavy backpacks and bending under a fallen tree.

"in his plan"....questions.

Maybe she did carry two backpacks but the exact weight is incorrect.
He may have given her somethin other than Ambien and she thought she was out for 36 hours if she depended on what he TOLD her.

Taking the plates off the car prior to pushing it off the hill-definately a Texas wannabe thing. Throwing the wallet and keys in to boot demonstrates his true love-California!

Yes, this illness may be hereditary as he did as his father before him.

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Buckley said...

I generally agree with everything Peter said, though maybe quicker to find that exception to out the liar than the post suggests. The one main exception: if someone, a colleague or supervisor, tells lies about me, I will not let it stand. I am not going to let even a superior undermine me professionally. Now, I think the "let it get cold" principle is one of the best and I would definitely *want* to consider my plan for how to deal with it and tone my response so it gets to the issue and not the person. But sometimes that's harder to do than my emotions allow me. I find that's the best thing about aging, though- patience comes a lot more easily.

trustmeigetit said...

Is this a new Hannah video? This chick seriously is not innocent.

The only part of her story that seems honest is hiding the car. I think that happened.


Then this last comment, this is alarming.

You just found out your family was murderded and your first thing is you should answer questions???

What are these jokes of cops doing by saying she's just a victim.

No way!!!

Apple said...

Carnival barker,

"HANNAH ANDERSON: "It was very steep, slippery, rugged, big rocks. Just hot, cold, random thunderstorms. You'd slip and fall, you'd slide down, like, a dirt hill. We had two 50-pound backpacks I had to carry back and for. I had to carry that plus carry a cat. He told in his plan was just to go to the river and find a camping spot and he'd just live there and he'd help me get home and that everyone, my mom, me, and Ethan, can all go back to our normal lives after."
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"We had two 50-pound.."

Interesting. Here she says, "we". Unity.

Anonymous said...

http://www.helpfinderica.com/#!about_her/cjg9

Peter, I know you are a busy man, could you please check out this sight? If you're not familiar with the Erica Parsons case, she is a missing teenager; she's been missing since 2011 and wasn't reported missing for two years. Her adoptive parents are the primary suspects of her disappearance even if LE hasn't actually named them, LE says their story is false. This is a sight where Casey Parsons, Erica's Adoptive mother made to to tell her truth of what really, "honestly" happened.

Anonymous said...

SA principles at work in this post. When Peter wrote the readers sometimes "donate" comments, I thought donate was an unexpected way to word it. I guessed that this post would also include a request/opportunity to donate to this site. I was right, as the opportunity came at the end of the post.
I love this site. I have learned a lot.

REK said...

I would be interested in the audio lessons

Peter Hyatt said...

Buckley said...
I generally agree with everything Peter said, though maybe quicker to find that exception to out the liar than the post suggests. The one main exception: if someone, a colleague or supervisor, tells lies about me, I will not let it stand. I am not going to let even a superior undermine me professionally. Now, I think the "let it get cold" principle is one of the best and I would definitely *want* to consider my plan for how to deal with it and tone my response so it gets to the issue and not the person. But sometimes that's harder to do than my emotions allow me. I find that's the best thing about aging, though- patience comes a lot more easily.
August 5, 2014 at 9:47 PM

I would not want you to lose a job due to something you learned here.

I recall Solomon's advice to the courtiers to not run off so quickly.

It may be that more good is accomplished by out strategizing the liar, then going tactually head to head.

I followed my own 24 hour rule this morning and am sitting on a strongly worded email until tomorrow morning.

Peter

GeekRad said...

I am glad to see this article. With what I have learned here I often am able to detect deception. I have learned to sit on it and to use what I have learned to avoid pitfalls.

Carnival Barker said...


Peter,

Like Anon 8:05, I, too, would like to donate my fingers to Statement Analysis and do some transcription for you. I can send you a PM on Facebook with my information if that's the best way to contact you.

Carnival Barker said...


Re: Our beloved Hannah,

Last October I transcribed her whole segment with Savannah Guthrie and I compared it to her story this go-around. Like I said, they kept her on a VERY short leash this time and barely let her talk, which was disappointing. Surprisingly, her story is fairly consistent. No glaringly obvious contradictions in the telling.

That being said, I still think she's completely and totally full of it. The story is very theatrical and there are still some things about it that just defy logic: The Ambien being one of them. She maintains she doesn't remember anything after being given the Ambien. Well, Ambien isn't injected, so it still takes time to kick in. She would still recall things for another 20-25 minutes after taking the pill. And, again, Ambien is NOT going to last 36-48 hours as HannahBananna would love for us to believe.

Also, I find it improbable that during this harrowing ordeal she lets him know she has a headache so he offers her a "Tylenol." Simply even telling him that she has a headache seems completely bizarre to me, given what she is going through at that moment. Now all of a sudden he's concerned for her well-being after he just tied her up and put a gun to her head???

Handcuffs AND zip-ties??

Two 50-pound backpacks that she is forced to carry "back and for." Obviously she meant "back and forth," but back and forth FROM where TO where???

I thought her choice of wording was odd when she said that she jumped on her Ask.fm account when she got home because she had been "gone for a week" and wanted to know what she missed. It sounds like she's describing a vacation.

Also, I thought it was very interesting that she broke into tears "out of nowhere" the first time she looked at herself in the mirror after this was all over. I think that is VERY, VERY telling. I would think she would be already be crying all the time about what she'd been through and that her mom, brother, and former friend have all died violent deaths around her, yet she only busts into tears "out of nowhere" when she looks at herself in the mirror. I think she looked at herself in the mirror literally and figuratively, and for the first time it hit her that this wasn't a game after all.

Buckley said...

Yes, I hear exactly what you're saying. I don't mean I'd out a liar for dropped pronouns or a lack of reliable denial. I mean if a colleague has related "facts" I know to be untrue, and those "facts" put me in a bad light, I will "CYA" and make it clear what the truth is.

Years ago, I was the Chair of a local HS debate league. The top 2 schools were very close in points; one coached by a habitual liar. Since she was in second place, I knew she would be coming to me with something that would question her team's position. Earlier in the year, at a Special Events meet that included a taped TV Broadcast competition that she organized because she had the equipment. She also had it judged following the tapings (but not immediately following) she went on and on about how she had a locally known broadcaster lined up to judge (and someone not tied to one school, she insisted). Her students placed first.

But at the end if the season, her students were second; she came to me and said coaches needed to discuss a matter about something unfair that had happened (and if changed would give her students enough points to be first.) I said fine, but as chair I had called the reporter to thank her for judging for us and the reporter said she hadn't judged but would be happy to in the future. So, I told this coach, we can discuss your matter right after this is resolved. Just remind me to put it on the agenda.

She let the other matter go.

Buckley said...

Incidentally, I wasn't a student of SA then, but I knew the coach had lied because, even though she told us this reporter had judged, the signature line on the judge's form had been left blank.

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Anonymous said...

OT: CB, I'm the anon you referenced above -- how do we find dear Mr. Hyatt? I found a "S.A." FB someone else "trademarked", and some other Peter H's., but not who or what I'm looking for. Search Clancy? E ; 0-D

Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718339/Revealed-Father-missing-Jenise-six-charged-child-molestation-8-year-old-accused-touching-inappropriately.html

Carnival Barker said...


@Anon 8:08,

Peter does have a FB page, I'm just not sure if he runs it personally or the people that help him.

He'll see our comments here and he'll respond; it just might take a minute.

Anonymous said...

Carnivore baker...Thank you,i would love to read his "thoughts"on his Facebook.

LisaB said...

PETER!
How would I go about getting your permission to link to your article on the lifelong effects of child sexual abuse? I am trying to keep the man who molested my daughter behind bars for his full sentence and would like to link to that piece since it is amazing how well you seem to "get it". The purpose of my site is not to raise any funds whatsoever, its purpose is to petition visitors to email the parole board with their objections to his release.

ima.grandma said...

I'm loving the increased participation! Active listening is the key to SA. Thinking before we speak is essential. Thank you Peter for the gentle reminder.

Peter Hyatt said...

LIsaB,

feel free to use it.

I wish I had not known to write it.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Carnival Barker
thanks but words are important, the word that was left out when she spoke of the 2 backpacks, and also left out was the word let when she spoke of he would get her home after.

HANNAH ANDERSON: "It was very steep, slippery, rugged, big rocks. Just hot, cold, random thunderstorms. You'd slip and fall, you'd slide down, like, a dirt hill. We had two 50-pound backpacks that I had to carry back and forth. I had to carry that plus carry a cat. He told me his plan was just to go to the river and find a camping spot and he'd just live there and he'd let.... help me get home and that everyone, my mom, me, and Ethan, can all go back to our normal lives after."

at 20:30 in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WFqxqmWZcU

Anonymous said...

hannah's contradictions are not with-in each time she tells the story, her stories are not the same.
one story to the next is where you will find contradictions.
her story changes and it is not that she added a little more detail.
she cannot keep her lies straight.

LisaB said...

Peter.
Me too. I wish we did not need to use it. Thanks for understanding.