Tuesday, December 9, 2014

Dealing With Fraudulent Documents

It is difficult dealing with fraudulent documents but there is a distinct advantage if there is communication between the subject (the one presenting knowingly fraudulent documents) and the recipient (like a licensee or inspector).

When the subject is presenting knowingly fraudulent documents, it is imperative that the recipient get the subject talking...

start anywhere and with anything.

Once the free editing process is entered, the application of Statement Analysis, verbally ("Discourse Analysis") begins.

If the subject is nervously protecting the information, there is one thing you can say to get him or her to talk...

Ask him about what he does.

This is something that most human beings cannot resist.  Once asked, you can use the polite phrase, "I'm listening" to force your politeness upon him and keep him speaking.

He, the subject, has a need to persuade you that everything is on the "up and up" and by forcing him to speak, you may uncover the indicators of deception.

Keep him talking, follow the pronouns, listen for  the skipping over of time, and the over use of qualifiers.

With training first, and then lots of practice,

you'll get him.

65 comments:

Suzanne said...

Hi Peter. Jonathan Gruber is testifying before Congress today. I would love to see your analysis of his testimony.

john said...

OT:

This is only a quick sound bite. I would like to hear or see the full transcript of this interview. Especially that he begins speaking in the second person ? Although, i don't know what was said previously to elicit his answer, and whether or not he is consistent with his pronouns ?

Former CIA operative describes what it's like to be waterboarded.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152517866902304&fref=nf

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john said...

OT Updates:

5 Of Bill Cosby's Accusers Speak Out On CNN

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/cosby-accusers-cnn-special_n_6294404.html?ir=Crime&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021


Boyfriend of Christina Morris Faces Federal Drug Charge

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Boyfriend-of-Christina-Morris-Faces-Federal-Drug-Charge-285304221.html

Anonymous said...

When are we getting the analysis of Darren Wilson? Very interested in his change of story.

Anonymous said...

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/5-bill-cosby-accusers-speak-cnn-suffered-collectively-034600812.html

Jen Ow said...

OT, Lena Dunham finally gave a rambling and repetitive prepared statement regarding the controversies surrounding her since the release of her book. She does not deny the sexual abuse of her sister, and only vaguely addresses the issue in a passive way, by commenting on what has been done to her since she chose to speak out. *She does make sure to cover her butt for the civil action she is facing from the man who she claimed raped her, stating that 'Barry' is a pseudonym, and not the actual name of her attacker, and that all similarities are just a "surreal coincidence".

Article to to follow:

Jen Ow said...

Lena Dunham statement, part 1

"It has been almost a decade since I was sexually assaulted. It took me a long time to fully acknowledge what had happened and even longer to discuss it publicly, in the form of an essay in my book Not That Kind of Girl. When I finally decided to share my story, it had ambiguities and gray areas, because that's what I experienced, because that's what so many of us have experienced. As indicated in the beginning of the book, I made the choice to keep certain identities private, changing names and some descriptive details. To be very clear, "Barry" is a pseudonym, not the name of the man who assaulted me, and any resemblance to a person with this name is an unfortunate and surreal coincidence. I am sorry about all he has experienced.

Speaking out was never about exposing the man who assaulted me. Rather, it was about exposing my shame, letting it dry out in the sun. I did not wish to be contacted by him or to open a criminal investigation. I am in a loving and peaceful place in my life and I am not willing to sacrifice any more of it for this person I do not know, aside from one night I will never forget. That is my choice.

Like so many women who have been sexually assaulted, I did not report the incident to my college or to the police. Even when I visited my gynecologist complaining of pain, afraid I had contracted a sexually transmitted disease, I could only mumble through a description of that night. After all, I had been drunk and high, which only compounded my confusion and shame. And I was afraid. I was afraid that no one would believe me. I was afraid other potential partners would consider me damaged goods. I was afraid I was overreacting. I was afraid it was my fault. I was afraid he would be angry. Eight years later, I know just how classic these fears are. They are the reason that the majority of college women who are assaulted will never report it.

When I finally chose to share my story, I did not do so in a vacuum. I was inspired by all the brave women who are now coming forward with their own experiences, despite the many risks associated with speaking out. Survivors are so often re-victimized by a system that demands they prove their purity and innocence. They are asked to provide an unassailable narrative when the event itself is hazy, fragmented, and unspeakable. They are isolated and betrayed by people close to them who doubt their reality or are frustrated by their inability to move on. Their most intimate experiences are made public property.

Jen Ow said...

Lena Dunham statement, part 2:

"As I was deciding to write about my assault, I was given deep strength by the viewers and readers who support my work, by my friends and family and feminist role models, and by my partner who is a man of incredible kindness and sensitivity. I was ready to admit to the ways being sexually assaulted has shaped my sense of self as a woman entering adulthood, compromised my emotional security, and haunted me even during the most joyful periods of my life. I hoped I might inspire others to share, and that forming these connections would assist us all in healing.

I was not naïve enough to believe the essay in my book would be met with pure empathy or wild applause. The topic of sexual assault is far more inflammatory and divisive than it should be, with tension building around definitions of consent, and fear ruling the dialogue. But I hoped beyond hope that the sensitive nature of the event would be honored, and that no one would attempt to reopen these wounds or deepen my trauma.

But this did not prove to be the case. I have had my character and credibility questioned at every turn. I have been attacked online with violent and misogynistic language. Reporters have attempted to uncover the identity of my attacker despite my sincerest attempts to protect this information. My work has been torn apart in an attempt to prove I am a liar, or worse, a deviant myself. My friends and family have been contacted. Articles have heralded "Lena Dunham's shocking confession." I have been made to feel, on multiple occasions, as though I am to blame for what happened.

But I don't believe I am to blame. I don't believe any of us who have been raped and/or assaulted are to blame. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what is written about me individually. I accept the realities of being in the public eye. But I simply cannot allow my story to be used to cast doubt on other women who have been sexually assaulted.

I have a certain empathy for the journalists who asked me questions like whether I regret how much I drank that night or what my attacker would say if he was asked about me. These ignorant lines of inquiry serve to further flawed narratives about rape, but these people are reacting to the same set of social signals that we all are — signals telling us that preventing assault is a woman's job, that rape is only rape when a stranger drags you into a dark alley with a knife at your throat, that our stories are never true, and that lying about rape is a way for women to enact revenge on innocent men. These misconceptions about rape are rampant, destructive and precisely the thing that prevents survivors from seeking the support that they need and deserve.

Speaking out about the realities and complexities of sexual assault is how we begin to protect each other. I do not want our daughters born into a world that reacts to sexual violence against women in this way. This reaction, which ranges from skepticism to condemnation to threats of violence, is something I have been subject to as a woman in a position of extraordinary privilege. So let us then imagine the trauma experienced by low-income families, women of color, the trans community, survivors with disabilities, students on financial aid, sex workers, inmates, foster children, those who do not have my visibility, my access to medical and mental health care, or my financial and legal resources.

Prevention and response on campuses is only a small part of the problem with how we as a nation are handling sexual assault. But it's a good place to start. Educational spaces must be made safe, so that we leave them stronger and poised to enact change.

Jen Ow said...

Lena Dunham statement, part 3:

"Since coming out as a survivor I have gone from an intellectual sense of the ways in which victims are doubted and debased to a bone-deep understanding of this reality. I hope to apply that understanding to art and advocacy. I am deeply grateful for the support I have received. I am deeply grateful that this dialogue is taking place. I am angry but I am not alone.

Survivors have the right to tell their stories, to take back control after the ultimate loss of control. There is no right way to survive rape and there is no right way to be a victim. What survivors need more than anything is to be supported, whether they choose to pursue a criminal investigation or to rebuild their world on their own terms. You can help by never defining a survivor by what has been taken from her. You can help by saying I believe you."

Jen Ow said...

I find it so strange that Dunham relates the shock and disgust that has been directed at HER account of what she did to her infant sister, as anger somehow linked to her rape allegations.

Anonymous said...

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/5-bill-cosby-accusers-speak-cnn-suffered-collectively-034600812.html

Anonymous said...

i like the Lena posts -- I think she can't see herself for who/what she is.

Anonymous said...

I do not believe Dunham. What I believe is that she recognized that rape of women is rampant, and that specifically date rape invoving partying and alcahol where lines seemed to be blurred - is something her audiences struggle with on a broad scale.

And so she decided she would be "cool" and say she experienced it too. Her motivation was reflexive, esoteric, and wannabe-poser. and she never imagined she'd get called out on it.

Jen Ow said...

Hi Anon 2:53

I agree!

What do you make of her assertion that 'Barry' is a pseudonym. In my opinion, she directly contradicts this in the following paragraph.

"To be very clear, "Barry" is a pseudonym, not the name of the man who assaulted me, and any resemblance to a person with this name is an unfortunate and surreal coincidence. I am sorry about all he has experienced."

"Speaking out was never about exposing the man who assaulted me. Rather, it was about exposing my shame, letting it dry out in the sun. I DID NOT WISH TO BE CONTACTED BY HIM OR TO OPEN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. I am in a loving and peaceful place in my life and I am not willing to sacrifice any more of it for this person I do not know, aside from one night I will never forget. That is my choice.

-She DID NOT want to be contacted by him. This is stated in the past tense. It has already happened. She is not speaking of an separate nameless man, who's identity she has protected, but rather THE man who contacted her. (*And has repeatedly requested that she clear his name for months, yet only now that he has sought legal council, preparing for civil action, is she declaring him a pseudonym.)

-I also find it interesting that she referred to him as, "this person I do not know". She does not call him a 'man', although his sex should be centrally and traumatically linked to her interaction with him. Strangely enough, the man in question claims that he has never met Dunham, making her "person I do not know" comment all the more intriguing!

Anonymous said...

Jen-

I haven't read her book, and at this point can't bring myself to bother, so I'm not sure how directly she identified him originally, but yes -- to what you are saying --I agree she prob just picked some guy in her memory - specifically itentified him - and never imagined he would notice.

lena reminds me of a lot of people I"ve known in life, -- there's a certaian legion of young priveledged liberal white kids who romanticize the trauma of the marginalized. I think it originates from a good place - they start out sympathising -- great -- but then they sympathize to such an extent they start to realize that they can never be worthy of the sympathy they extend, and they just wanna be on the other side so bad. they wanna be the victim too. and then they start to lie. which only discredits and confuses the whole lpight of the people they ment to care about in the first place.

anyway -- I think that's her deal. and I think she's a liar, and needs to face it, and admit her wrongdoing. and that would be the most femesist thing she can do at this point imo.

Anonymous said...

she's basically saying she feels violated again because people are fact checking her statements. ha.

tania cadogan said...

"To be very clear, "Barry" is a pseudonym, not the name of the man who assaulted me, and any resemblance to a person with this name is an unfortunate and surreal coincidence. I am sorry about all he has experienced.

It is interesting to note she tells us Barry is a pseudonym, not the MAN who assaulted me yet then goes on to say any resemblance to a PERSON with this name is an unfortunate and surreal coincidence.

Why does she use the term PERSON rather than the expected MAN?

Person is used to conceal the gender/identity of someone, often someone known to the subject, someone who the subject wants to conceal.

This is close, that is distancing.
She places herself close to the name BARRY whilst calling it an unfortunate and surreal coincidence.

She weakens the denial with the qualifiers unfortunate and surreal.

Notice also she minimises the crime from rape to assault.

Anonymous said...

her whole explanation for why she said she was raped - is that it happens to OTHER people.

she's more or less admitting she's imitating others stories of pain and survival, and not speaking due to her own personal experience.

ha ha. she annoys me so much.

Anonymous said...

"Why does she use the term PERSON rather than the expected MAN?"

She uses the expected, gender specific "man" to describe the "attacker" she slept with and the word "person" to describe the person who she now claims didn't attack her, who says he never met her. If they are two different people in two different contexts, we shouldn't be surprised by a change in language. If she intended to slander this guy, then, in her mind, he'd be the same guy in both contexts and we'd expect her to use the same word to identify him.

Don't get me wrong, I think she took creative license with the rape allegation (hell, I think the stuff about her sister's BS too) but her change from "man" to describe sexual partner to "person" to describe stranger makes sense.

john said...

I was given deep strength by the viewers and readers who support my work, by my friends and family and feminist role models, and by my partner who is a man of incredible kindness and sensitivity.

Order is important.

john said...

OT Update:

Casey and Sandy Parsons back in court for custody review involving 2 youngest children


http://www.wbtv.com/story/27592282/casey-and-sandy-parsons-back-in-court-for-custody-review-involving-two-youngest-children

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous said...

"Why does she use the term PERSON rather than the expected MAN?"

She uses the expected, gender specific "man" to describe the "attacker" she slept with and the word "person" to describe the person who she now claims didn't attack her, who says he never met her. If they are two different people in two different contexts, we shouldn't be surprised by a change in language. If she intended to slander this guy, then, in her mind, he'd be the same guy in both contexts and we'd expect her to use the same word to identify him.

Don't get me wrong, I think she took creative license with the rape allegation (hell, I think the stuff about her sister's BS too) but her change from "man" to describe sexual partner to "person" to describe stranger makes sense.


It is a change in language.

Barry is a mans name, why would she feel the need to call someone with the same name a person and not a man?
Person is used to conceal gender and/or identity.
Why not simply say any resemblance to a man with this name is coincidental?
This is the expected.

She also weakened her denial with the qualifiers unfortunate, surreal
It sounds like backtracking


john said...

I was given deep strength by the viewers and readers who support my work, by my friends and family and feminist role models, and by my partner who is a man of incredible kindness and sensitivity.

Order is important


I agree John
First comes those who support her work, then friends, then family ( i wonder if there are issues between her and her family?)
feminist role models and lastly her partner.

The more i read about this case, the more i think of charlie rogers.

john said...

Tania said

"The more i read about this case, the more i think of charlie rogers".

You took the words right out mouth Tania. I was just about to make the same correlation.

Anonymous said...

She frames the words "I am a liar" and "I am to blame".

-Vicki

trustmeigetittoo said...

Are you planning to do SA on the alleged rape 'victim' Jackie at UVA? Seems Jackie took a page from the DUKE/Tawanna Brawley false allegations.Oh and also do a SA on the girlfriend/common law wife of Kaarma, you know the one that shot and killed the young THUG for breaking into his garage. Damn, you people are something else. When an African American is accured of something or is in the news you jump foot first into it. On the other hand, I don't hear a peek out of you concerning these two high profile cases. Go figure! Or you bias or nah?

Dee said...


trustmeigetittoo - How about posting some statements here (or at least a link) from the 2 cases you mentioned? I have heard some about the UVA case but nothing about the second case you mentioned.

Jen Ow said...

I have never heard of "Kaarma".

As far as I know, the UVA victim was already proven a liar...isn't she the one Rolling Stone just issued an apology about?

If you want, post some of the statements as OT for discussion, they may be good examples, and if so Peter will often use them for a new post, and do analysis on them!

Dee said...

Re: Markus Kaarma - I got curious and googled it. It is a case in Montana where homeowner Markus Kaarma shot and killed an exchange student from Germany named Diren Dede who was in his garage. It sounds as though the homeowner may have set a trap to get whoever had been burglarizing his garage and this kid was the unlucky one to be caught in there and was shot. I found a few articles but there are no statements from the accused in the ones I saw, therefore nothing to analyze.

Anonymous said...

Lena Dunham begins the chapter in her memoir “Not That Kind of Girl” titled “Barry” with the the following: “I’m an unreliable narrator.”

As Peter said here: http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-verifier-liar.html

“When someone says, ‘If I were you, I wouldn’t trust me either...’ or something similar.
My advice is based upon statistics.
If someone tells you not to trust them, believe them.
This is my advice. You should take it.”

-Akula

Anonymous said...

Peter & Group,
I can copy & paste Darren Wilson's interview with a detective now, but it is long and will take several posts. Is that okay?

Buckley said...

Yes, please. You might pick certain sections, like the initial stop, the altercation at the car, the shooting outside the car, and leave out, if it's just too long, the before and after stuff.

john said...

Anonymous said...

Peter & Group,

I can copy & paste Darren Wilson's interview with a detective now, but it is long and will take several posts. Is that okay?


Hi, i think, i maybe wrong though. Peter is looking looking at said statement ?

Anonymous said...

paste darren! please & thanks

Peter Hyatt said...

Thanks, John.

Simply put, I have been unable to find a way to alter PDF files, in spite of dowloading software, and have not had the time to type up the transcript.

Peter

john said...

OT Update:

Casey and Sandy Parsons miss hearing for custody of 2 youngest children.

A hearing that could have altered custody arrangements for Casey and Sandy Parsons’ two youngest children was continued in Rowan County court after the Parsonses didn’t show up.


Read more here:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/12/11/5378354/casey-and-sandy-parsons-miss-hearing.html#.VIr5L9KsW28#storylink=cpy

Jen Ow said...

Hi Anon-Darren Wilson

I have also tried to post excerpts from the PDA. Although my tablet will allow me to 'select text', I haven't been able to get it to post. (Or even email it to myself, then copy and paste...everything I try results in a blank page?)

It may be my device, (Surface has a mind of its own, lol) but I would love to see some of the excerpts posted if you are having better luck!

Anonymous said...

Part 1
(Cropping out top portion after the date)

August 10, 2014
10:16 a.m. Detective
St. Louis County Police Department
Bureau of Crimes Against Persons

DET. Urn, and then a, were you in a marked vehicle? Is that correct?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. What vehicle was that?


D. WILSON: 108.

DET. And, that is a what type of vehicle?
D. WILSON: It's a Tahoe police vehicle.
DET. Okay. And, it's fully marked?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET Okay, and it has lights on top?
D. WILSON: Yes sir.
DET. Okay. And a, did you have a radio number that's different than your-than your car number or your DSN? How do you guys identify yourself?

D. WILSON: Frank 21 was my call sign yesterday.
DET. Is that what is always is? Or, is that just for that shift.
D. WILSON: It rotates depending on what sector I ride that day.
DET. Okay. What sector were you riding yesterday?

D. WILSON: One sector.

DET. Sector one?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. And, so urn, when this incident took place, were you a, on a call, in the middle of a call, going to a call, on patrol? What were you doing?

D. WILSON: I had just left a call.

DET. Okay. What kind of call had you just left?
D. WILSON: A sick case.
DET. Okay, and where was that at? Do you recall?
D. WILSON: ...I think it's was the address.
DET. ?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. Alright. And, so you left that a, that address and where did you go from there?

D. WILSON: I went down Bahama to Glen Owen then down Glen Owen to Windward and then Windward turns into Canfield and thus leaving the apartment complex.

DET. Okay. And a, what takes place as you're-as you're on Canfield?


D. WILSON: Well, as I left the sick case call I had heard on the radio that there was a stealing in progress from the Ferguson Market on West Florissant. I heard a brief description of black male with a black t-shirt. Urn, as I was driving out down Canfield westbound I observed two black males walking in the center of the roadway on the center yellow line.

DET. Okay.
D. WILSON: Urn...
DET. Roughly, where were you at on Canfield? Do you know?
D. WILSON: Urn, right about in this area right here.
DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Kinda in between this Copper Creek...

DET. You're identifying... okay, you're identifying Canfield and Copper Creek ...
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. . . . on the-on the map, is that right?
D. WILSON: Yes, and I was going this direction.
DET. You were ... which would mean you were heading...
D. WILSON: West.
DET. West.

D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, they had been walkin' in the middle. I remember seeing two cars I believe go around them and they hadn't moved. I pulled up to 'em, stopped with them about at my hood as they kept walking towards me. I told 'em, "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk." The first one said, urn, "we're almost to our destination" and pointed this direction. So, I guess that's northeast.

DET. Okay. D. WILSON: Urn...
DET. So, you're pointed into the complex there? D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay.

Anonymous said...

Part 2
DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, I know his hand was around my trigger finger which was inside the trigger guard. Urn, and when he grabbed it he pushed it down and angled it to where it was like this in my hip.

DET. Okay, and-and just for the purpose of the recording, can you just explain what you're demonstrating right now?

D. WILSON: The, my firearm was in his control around my hand pointed directly into my hip.

DET. Okay, you're-you're holding the gun in your...
D. WILSON: ... right hand.
DET. ...right hand. Okay, and your right hand is holding the gun and the gun is now being pointed into your left hip.

D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. Okay. Go ahead and continue.

D. WILSON: At that point, I was guaranteed he was going to shoot me. That's what I
thought his-his goal was. He had already manipulated I was not in control of the gun. I was able to tilt myself a little bit and push it down and away towards the side of my hip and kinda lock my wrist into my leg to where he couldn't get it back up 'cause I did not have enough strength to come up and force him off of me. He was-he had me completely overpowered while I was sittin' in the car.

Then I took my left arm and I pinned it against my back seat and pushed the gun forward like this.

DET Okay, and just for the purposes of the recording again, just explain what you're doin'.

D. WILSON: My left elbow locked into the back of my seat ...

Anonymous said...

Part 3

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: ... took my left hand, placed it against his and my hand on the side of my firearm and pushed forward both of my arms.
DET. Towards what would be the steering wheel then? Is that...
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay.
D. WILSON: It ended up being right about where the door handle is on the Tahoe.
DET. Okay.
D. WILSON: When it got there I saw that it was somewhat lined up with his silhouette and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. Pulled it again, nothing happened. Urn, I believe his fingers were over in between from the hammer and the slide preventing it from firing.
DET Okay.
D. WILSON: Urn, I tried again. It fired. When it fired, my window had been down the entire time. Glass shot up. The first thing I remember seeing is glass flyin' and blood all over my right hand on the back side of my hand. Urn, he looked like he was shocked initially but, and he paused for a second and then he came back into my vehicle and attempted to hit me multiple times.
DET. Okay, you said came back in your vehicle. What'd you mean?
D. WILSON: He had, after I had shot and the glass came up, he took like a half step back and then realized he was okay still I'm assuming. He came back towards my vehicle and ducked in again his whole bod...whole top half of his body came in and tried to hit me again. Urn...
DET. How is he tryin' to hit you?
D. WILSON: Fist, grab, I mean just crazy. Just random, anything he could get a hold of swingin' wildly. And then at that point I put my hand up like this and tried to fire again and my left hand was up blocking my face.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, my right hand was still on my lap pointing towards the door handle. I tried to fire again, just a click. Nothing happened. After the click, I racked it and as I racked it, it just came up and shot again. Urn...

DET. And, just for the purpose of racking, you're-you're meaning what?


D. WILSON: I took the slide and cleared the chamb ... the round out thinking it was januued.

Anonymous said...

Part 4
DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, after the round was cleared out, I brought it up and I shot again. When I shot that time, a, I was still in this position blocking myself and just shooting to where he was 'cause he was still there. Urn, when I turned and looked, I realized I had missed I saw a, like dust in the background and he was running eastbound on Canfield.

DET. Okay, and you said you shot that second time, right? Where did that round ... did you shoot that round through...at the door or the window, or. .. ?

D. WILSON: I'm not sure.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I'm not exactly sure. It was a, just one of these to get him off me.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, he ran east on Canfield. I exited my vehicle and I said, I got on the radio and said, "Shots fired. Send me more cars." It wasn't found till later my radio had been switched in the struggle, my person radio to channel three.

DET. What side of your body is your radio on?

D. WILSON: My left side.

DET. Okay, and you carry that on your belt?

D. WILSON: Yes.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, it's on one of the swivel holsters so it always faces up when I'm sittin' down.

DET. Okay, and what's channel three for you guys?
D. WILSON: I believe it's county radio.
DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, our chann...our main channel is channel one. So, I get out, I say that. He runs from this intersection where I originally told you towards this entrance to this parking lot. Urn...

DET. Okay, and you're sayin' that you were originally at Canfield and Copper Creek, right?

D. WILSON: Can I draw on this for you?

DET. Absolutely.

D, WILSON: My vehicle was like (mumbles pen not working) was like right there, if you can see that.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: He had ran around my vehicle in this direction.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I exited. I followed him in that direction. After I said on the radio, "Shots fired.
Send me more cars", I was yelling at him to stop and get on the ground. He kept running and then eventually he stopped in this area somewhere. When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his
shirt and into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't; I fired, a, multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots I paused for a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging hands still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down. I fired another set of shots. Same thing, still running at me hadn't slowed down, hands still in his waistband. He gets about eight to ten feet away, a he's still coming at me in the same way. I fired more shots. One of those, however many of them hit on him in the head and he went down right there. When he went down his hand was still under his, his right hand was still under his body looked like it was still in his waistband. I never touched him. I said urn, got on the
radio and said, "Send me every car we got and a supervisor." Fifteen to twenty seconds later, two marked cars show up, code three sirens and lights on. They started blocking everything off. A moment later my supervisor shows up and he sent me to the police station.

DET. Okay. When a, let's just continue with this. When you get to the police station, what'd you do?

D. WILSON: I went into the bathroom to wash the blood off and I had also realized I had blood on the inside of my left hand from my fingertips to about my wrist.

DET. Okay, so you had blood on your left hand?
D. WILSON: And the back of my right hand.
DET. Okay.

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Part 5
D. WILSON: Urn, at that point, I believe the blood was from after I originally fired, the very first shot that fired and he came back in to hit me, was from him like me blocking is how I got this. 'cause I was not cut or bleeding anywhere.

DET. Okay, so you think that was his blood then?

D. WILSON: Yes, I think and same on the back of my right hand. I think it was his blood.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I went right to the bathroom and had to wash it off. I washed the blood off. I went into our roll call room, I took my belt off, I took my gun out, I made it safe, and I sealed it in an evidence envelope.


DET. Okay. Okay. And then did you remain at the station then until...
D. WILSON: Yes, I did.
DET. ... a, you would've talked, spoken with Detective ?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. Okay, urn, I just wanna ask you a couple, clarify things here, okay? How many times do you think he struck you when you were sitting inside your vehicle?

D. WILSON: Solid blows to my face struck? Or, just made contact with me?

DET. A, both.

D. WILSON: Made contact with me, numerous. I mean I'd say excess of ten. His hands were all over me.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, solid blows, I'd say at least two.

DET. Okay. And, that was to where on your face?
D. WILSON: My face, my jaw line. Both sides.
DET. Okay. And then a, what commands were you giving him in the car?
D. WILSON: "Stop and get back."
DET. Okay. Was he saying anything to you at that point?

D. WILSON: He was but I don't know what it was. I was not focused on him talking. My mind had switched to of the training mode of how do I survive to get passed this?

DET. Okay. How many times do you think you said, "Stop get back"?
D. WILSON: The entire time I was talking, saying "Stop get back."
DET. Alright. When he puts, urn, when he grabs your gun, how long do you think he's-he's holding your gun or has his hand or hands on your gun?

D. WILSON: Hmmm, ten seconds.

DET. Okay. And, during that time, what are you saying?
D. WILSON: "Get back."
DET. Okay. Um, he comes back in to the car a second time ...
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. . . . after you have fired that first shot, right?


D. WILSON: That was actually his third time re-entering the car.

DET. The third time entering the car?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. He comes back in at that point, right?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Roughly how long is that portion of it?

D. WILSON: That one was fairly quick. Urn, he came in and there was a few wild swings at me, attempts to grab, and then fled.

DET. Does he touch your gun on that second ...
D. WILSON: I don't know.
DET. ... that second time. Okay. Alright.

D. WILSON: There was blood on my gun whenever I sealed it in the bag.

DET. Okay. Alright, urn, you exityourvehicle ...
D. WILSON: Yes.

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Part 6
DET. . . . right? And, obviously, this map we're looking at here is to scale. I don't have any expectation that we're talking on scale here, okay. Roughly, how far do you think he-he runs?

D. WILSON: Originally, 20 to 30 feet. Playing it back last night, there were two cars parked behind me. He ran passed that second car.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I didn't run as far as him. I stopped and I gave our self at least a 20-foot gap between me and him. 'cause when he stopped running, I stopped running. He had already had a head start on me and I maintained that distance whenever he stopped. So, I don't know the exact. I can't give you anum... a number.

DET. Okay, alright. And, what are the commands you're sayin' as you're running? D. WILSON: "Get on the ground."
DET. Okay. And, does he comply?
D. WILSON: Never.
DET. At any point?
D. WILSON: Never.
DET. He turns around?

D. WILSON: Yes.

DET. Right? And, what's his posture at that point?

D. WILSON: Very aggressive. Urn, he is I don't really know how to describe it. Urn, he turns, I looked at his face. It was just like intense. It was, I've never seen anybody look that, for lack of a better words, crazy. I've never seen that. I mean, it was very aggravated, urn aggressive, hostile. Just, you couldn't, you could, you could tell he was lookin' through ya. There was nothin' he was seeing. Urn, he had kind of, he did like that hop and started running and when he did he was kinda leaning forward a little bit and then right as he started his hand went in his pants.

DET. Okay. And, you said his hand went in his pants and what hand are we talkin' about?

D. WILSON: His right hand.

DET. Okay. And, you said you stopped, mark me ifl'm wrong, but 20-roughly 20 feet away from him, right?

D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. What was, what was that distance ... and I know we're-we're not talkin' exact but did you maintain that distance or did it get closer?

D. WILSON: A, I did not maintain it. It did get closer but not at the rate of which it could've
if I had stood still. I was backing up. When he started running, I started backing up after the first round of shots and he still hadn't gone down and was still coming just as fast as he was, I backed up at a faster rate. The entire time I was going backwards.

DET. How far do you think you were backing up?

D. WILSON: I probably backed up at least ten feet in the process.

DET. Okay. And, how far do you think he went from the time that he stopped, a, and turned around until the time that he went, that he went down to the ground?

D. WILSON: At least 15.

DET. Fifteen?

D. WILSON: Feet, at least.

DET. Okay. Alright.

D. WILSON: 'cause if I would've stayed where I had stopped and he had, like where we originally started at that point. If I would've stayed he would've been on me.

DET. Okay. What were you, a, what were you thinking as this event is progressing?
D. WILSON: He's gonnakill me.
DET. Okay. Anything else?

D. WILSON: How do I survive. I mean it was, the whole time it was a very non... it started was a very non-confrontational "can you just walk on the sidewalk?" Urn, I downplayed the whole issue because I didn't want a confrontation. Ya know, then after he made his comments I realized cigarillos ya know, then I was like well I gotta stop and talk to the guy.
DET. I-I-I'm sorry. Say that part again.
D. WILSON: I have to stop and talk to the guy.
DET. Because ... ?

D. WILSON: The comments he said and the cigarillos in his hands judging by the call we just had as well.

DET Okay.

D. WILSON: Urn, and after that is when it instantly turned into how do I live through this basically.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I didn't never at any point did I have control of him. I mean, he-he manipulated me while I was in the vehicle, completely.

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Part 7
DET. Alright. This second individual that was with him...
D. WILSON: Uhhuh.
DET. What does he do?

D. WILSON: After he hands off the stuff, I never see him again.

DET. You don't know where he went. You don't know?

D. WILSON: I believe he ran around the back of my car towards that direction he pointed to.
I don't know. I said I...I couldn't observe anything else but the guy that was in my face. He was big enough to take up my whole window and I didn't have an option to look at anything else.

DET. Okay. What type of weapon do you carry?
D. WILSON: A, the Sig 229.
DET. 229.

D. WILSON: Yeah, it's the same (UI).

DET. What caliber is it? D. WILSON: It's a .40 caliber.
DET. Okay. And a, how many rounds a, does that weapon hold?
D. WILSON: It holds 12 in the magazine and I had one in the chamber.

DET. Okay. And, is that how you carry it?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. That's how you were carrying it yesterday?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. So, 12 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber for a total of 13, correct?

D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. And a, it's a .40 caliber weapon?
D. WILSON: Correct.
DET. And, roughly, do you know how many times you fired?
D. WILSON: No.
DET. Okay. And ... is that the only weapon that you fired?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Alright. From the time that you first made contact with him, okay, or first talked to both these individuals until the time that-that a, he goes down to the ground, roughly how long is that?

D. WILSON: Less than a minute.

DET. Okay. Urn, how long do you think you're in the car for?
D. WILSON: I was in my vehicle when...
DET. Between the time that you made contact with him and when you're in the car until the time that you actually get out of your car. How long do you think that is, roughly?

D. WILSON: Thirty seconds or so.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: I mean that was the majority of it. Once we got out, I mean, I didn't run very far or very long, urn, and that's when the shooting started.

DET. Okay, alright. And, urn, describe your injuries.

D. WILSON: I had, urn, some redness to my left jaw line then I had swollen right cheek and jaw. I had scratches on my back and neck, on my shoulders. I guess my shoulders up to my hairline was scratches and red marks.

DET. Okay. Did you see anybody else outside when this was taking place?
D. WILSON: When it was actually in progress, no.

DET. Okay. And, other officers arrived after urn, he had already went down to the ground, is that correct?

D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. Okay. Once the a, urn, I guess, a, encounter stopped ...did a-did you or anybody else I guess, a, call for an ambulance?

D. WILSON: Yes.

DET. For the suspect?

D. WILSON: Urn, . He did.

DET. Okay. And a he was one of the-the police officers. Was he the, a, first assist officer that arrived?

D. WILSON: They, the two that arrived were both on that stealing call together. They both were on the scene simultaneously.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: He was the first one that made it to me.

DET. Okay. Um, and then a, the other question I would have is, a, can you describe the urn, you said there was two subjects. The first subjects I guess the one that­ that fled, urn from the stop ... can you describe him to me?

D. WILSON: Shorter black male, 5-5ish, 120-130 weight, really dark complected, a, black shirt, brown shorts, unsure of footwear or socks, had, not full-length dreads but you know the like long twisty dreads all over his head.

DET. Urn, have you ever seen either one of these individuals before? D. WILSON: I did not recognize either one.
DET. No, okay. Do you think you could recognize a the man with you said dread locks, right?

D. WILSON: Yeah.

DET. Do you think you could recognize them again if you saw him? D. WILSON: I think so.

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Okay, I have some of the grand jury testimony transcribed. I posted but it was in the middle of the detective interview and was probably confusing so I deleted. Also, I caught a few misspellings to fix.

Anon, when you are done with the detective interview, say so, and I'll post my transcript. I've already bolded stuff that stands out, but I'll refrain from comment at first. What I've transcribed is when Wilson first sees them to the point the altercation at the car begins.

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Buckey, I will. I have to keep cropping off...

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Part 8
DET. Okay. Can I show you a-a photo spread here? Can you tell me if you can identify him?

D. WILSON: Yes.

DET. So, this is a Lineup number 146113, which was, a, created today. Are any of those individuals, there's six people in that photograph...

D. WILSON: Number two.
DET. ... what number?
D. WILSON: Two.
DET. Okay. How sure are you of that?

D. WILSON: That's what he looks like. I didn't see him long, but if I, I'd say number two ifl had to pick one of those.

DET. Okay. Alright. Just going through all my notes here. Just give me a minute, okay?

D. WILSON: Uhhuh.

DET. One other question I had a, urn, when you a, downloaded your gun or made it safe, urn, how many rounds did you discover inside the weapon that were left?

D. WILSON: One.

DET. One live round.
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay. A, was that in the magazine or in the chamber?

D. WILSON: Chamber. I took out the magazine first and it was empty. When I made it safe a round came out of the chamber.

DET. Okay, a, and then a on your uniform, do you carry any additional ammo?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Okay, what do you carry?

D. WILSON: Two extra rounds, or two extra magazines.

DET. Okay, did you ever reload?
D. WILSON: No, I didn't.
DET. Okay, and those a, the magazines on your duty belt were a full?
D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. Do you carry any backup weapon?

D. WILSON: No, I do not. There's a shotgun in the vehicle, but ...

DET. Did you ever get that out?
D. WILSON: ....no I didn't.
DET. Okay. Is there anything that-that you feel is important that we should know.
Anything that you want to add. Anything that a we didn't ask you that we
should've asked you?
D. WILSON: I think we're good.


I think we're good.

DET. Alright. If there's nothing else, a, the time is 10:47 a.m. and this concludes the interview.

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End of Darren Wilson's Interview
Posted as Parts 1-8

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Grand jury testimony of Darren Wilson. This starts when he noticed Brown and Johnson in the middle of the street. He had made a statement about hearing the store robbery, but this is after that.

As I was going west on Canfield I observed two men in the middle of the street, they are walking along the double yellow line single file order.

Q: okay. And you say something to them, did they say something to you first?

A: No, you want me to just go with the whole thing?

Q: Sure, go ahead, let's start there.

A: I see them walking down the middle of the street. And first thing that struck me was they’re walking in the middle of the street. I had already seen a couple cars trying to pass, but they couldn't have traffic normal because they were in the middle, so one had to stop to let the car go around and then another car would come. And the next thing I noticed was the size of the individuals because either the first one was really small or the second one was really big.

And just for the conversation, I didn't know this then, but the first ones name was Dorian Johnson, The second one was Michael Brown. That was discovered I think the following day is when I learned the names. I had never seen them before.

And then the next thing I noticed was that Brown had bright yellow socks on that had green marijuana leaves as a pattern on them. They were the taller socks that go halfway up your shin.

As I approach them, I stopped a couple feet in front of Johnson as they are walking towards me, I am going towards them. And I allowed him to keep walking towards my window, which was down. As Johnson came around my driver’s side mirror I said, "why don't you guys walk on the sidewalk." He kept walking, as he is walking he said, "we are almost to our destination."

Q: do you think he used those words destination, we are almost to our destination.

A: yes ma'am. He said we are almost to our destination and he pointed this direction over my vehicle. So like in a North Easternly direction.

And as he did that, he kept walking and Brown was starting to come around the mirror and as he came around the mirror I said, "well what's wrong with the sidewalk." Brown then replied, um, it has vulgar language.

Q: you can say it, say it.

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A: Brown then replied, "fuck what you have to say." And when he said that, it drew my attention totally to Brown. It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request.
When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is in his right hand, and is full of cigarillos. And that's when it clicked for me because I now saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.

And they kept walking, as I said, they never once stopped, never got on the sidewalk they stayed in the middle of the road.

So I got on my radio and Frank 21 is my call sign that day, I said Frank 21 I'm on Canfield with two, send me another car.

I then placed my car in reverse and backed up and I backed up just past them and then angled my vehicle, The back of my vehicle to kind of cut them off kind to keep them somewhat contained.

As I did that, I go to open the door and I say, hey, come here for a minute to Brown. As I'm opening the door he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, "what the fuck are you going to do about it" and shuts my door, slammed it shut. I haven't even got it open enough to get my leg out, it was only a few inches.

I then looked at him and told him to get back and he was just staring at me, almost like to intimidate me or to overpower me. The intense face he had was just not what I expected from any of this.

I then opened my door again and used my door to push him backwards, and while I'm doing that I tell him to, "get the fuck back", and then I use my door to push him.

Q: you tell him to "get the fuck back"?

A: yes

Q: okay

A: He then grabs my door again and shuts my door. At that time is when I saw him coming into my vehicle. His head was higher than the top of my car. And I see him duckingand as he is ducking his hands are up and he is coming in my vehicle.

I had shielded myself in this type of manner and kind of looked away, so I don't remember seeing him come at me but I was hit right here in the side of the face with a fist. I don't think it was a full on swing, I think it was a full on swing, but not a full shot. I think my arm deflected some of it but there was still a significant amount of contact that was made to my face.

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Part 1A (Left out part between 1&2)


D. WILSON: I said, "Okay, but what's wrong with the sidewalk." And then that was as they were passing my window the second subject said, "Fuck what you have to say."

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: And, then after that I put the vehicle in reverse, backed up about ten feet to 'em, a, attempted to open my door. Prior to backing up I did call out on the radio. I said "Frank 21, out with two, send me another car." Urn...

DET. Did you identify the location where you were at?

D. WILSON: I said on Canfield. I don't think I said the hundred ...or the block, but Canfield's only this section.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: A, I could've said 3000 which is right here, so I'm right at the intersection. Urn, I back up ten feet, I go to open my door, say "Hey, come here." He said, "What the fuck are you gonna do?" And, he shut my door on me. A, the door was only open maybe a foot. I didn't have chance to get my leg out. I shut the door and he came up and approached the door. I opened the door again trying to push
him back tell him to get back. Urn, he said something. I'm not sure exactly what it was and then started swinging and punching at me from outside the vehicle.

DET. Okay. So, he's outside the vehicle?
D. WILSON: Correct.
DET. And, where are you at at this point?
D. WILSON: Sitting in the driver's seat.
DET. Okay. And, the door is, is open...
D. WILSON: Shut.
DET. ... closed? And, how'd it shut?

D. WILSON: It's shut. He has his body against the door preventing me from opening it.

DET. Okay. How is he-how is he preventing you from opening it? Body against it or. .. ?

D. WILSON: Body against it.
DET. ... arms or hands or. ..

D. WILSON: And was...at that point it was his body 'cause his stomach was against the door.
His hands were inside on me.

DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: When he shut the door the second time he put his hands on the windowsill and shut the door and then approached the door with his body against it and he was a heavier set taller subject enough to where he had to duck his head to come into my vehicle and he entered my vehicle with his hands, arms, and his
head ...assaulting me. He a...

DET. How is he assaulting you?

D. WILSON: The first time he had struck me somewhere in this area but it was like glancing blow 'cause I was able to defend a little bit. Urn, after that he, I was doing the, just scramblin' tryin' to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbin' me and everything else. He turned to his .. .ifhe's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "Here take these." He was holding a pack of-several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store, was several packs of cigarillos. He said "Here hold these" and when he
did that I grabbed his right arm tryin' just to control something at that point. Urn, as I was holdin' it, and he came around he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his ... a full swing with his left hand.

DET. And, that's the hand that he had used to hand off the ...

D. WILSON: Correct.
DET. ... the cigarillos.
D. WILSON: Correct.

DET. Okay, did he have anything in his hand at that point?

D. WILSON: After he hit me the second time?
DET. Right.
D. WILSON: No.

DET. When you, you said, you identified that he came around with a full swing. D. WILSON: Yes.
DET. How was his hand?

D. WILSON: It was closed. It was in a fist.
DET. Okay.

D. WILSON: He hit me with this part of his hand, just like this across my cheek.
DET. Okay.

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Part 1B (so 1, 1A, 1B then 2)
D. WILSON: Um, after that, it kinda jarred me back and I yelled at him numerous times to stop and get back. I believe somewhere in there I put my hand up tryin' to just get him away from me and there I was, I was already trapped and didn't know what he was gonna do to me but I knew it wasn't gonna be good. Had me, I physic ...or mentally started thinking what do I do next? Um, I started off with my mace ... couldn't reach it with my right hand. I was using this hand to block and all that. And, I know how mace ...

DET. You were using your...

D. WILSON: ... my left hand was blocking.

DET. ... and that's closest to the door.

D. WILSON: Yeah. I was just trying to keep him off me and get him back. Um, I tried to go for my mace, I couldn't reach around my body to grab it and I know how mace affects me so if I used that in that close proximity I was gonna be disabled per se. And, I didn't know if it was even gonna work on him if I would be able to get a clear shot or anything else. Um, then like I was thinking like picturing my belt going around it, I don't carry a taser so that option was gone and even if I had one with a cartridge on there, it probably wouldn't have hit him anywhere. Next, I go to my asp. I couldn't get on it...it sits behind me I couldn't reach it,
and I was in a car I couldn't expand it. I have a flashlight I carry in my bag. My duty bag was on the passenger seat. I wasn't willing to give up more of my vehicle and my body to him to lean over and grab it and tum away from him. Urn, I thought I was already compromised enough. I drew my firearm, I pointed at him..."stop I'm going to shoot you is what I ordered him to get on the ground." He said, "you're too much of a fuckin' pussy to shoot me" and
grabbed my gun. When he grabbed my gun, he twisted it, pointed at me and into my hip, pelvic area.

DET. How did he grab it?


D. WILSON: With his hand over the top. I'm not sure which hand he grabbed it with.

DET. One hand or two hands or... ?

D. WILSON: I think one but then I don't know.

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this will take me time to read -- but in advance -- THANKS for posting!!

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As I was going west on Canfield I observed two men in the middle of the street, they are walking along the double yellow line single file order.

Q: okay. And you say something to them, did they say something to you first?

A: No, you want me to just go with the whole thing?


“Thing” is a vague word, I’d expect “incident.”

Q: Sure, go ahead, let's start there.

A: I see them walking down the middle of the street. And first thing that struck me was they’re walking in the middle of the street. I had already seen a couple cars trying to pass, but they couldn't have traffic normal because they were in the middle, so one had to stop to let the car go around and then another car would come. And the next thing I noticed was the size of the individuals because either the first one was really small or the second one was really big.


“first…already seen” He tells this out of order. He tells us about the traffic hold up after he tells us about seeing Johnson and Brown in the street. It comes across at persuasive more than narrative- why he felt the need to do something about it.

And just for the conversation, I didn't know this then, but the first ones name was Dorian Johnson, The second one was Michael Brown. That was discovered I think the following day is when I learned the names. I had never seen them before.

And then the next thing I noticed was that Brown had bright yellow socks on that had green marijuana leaves as a pattern on them. They were the taller socks that go halfway up your shin.


If it’s from memory, why not “his” shin?

As I approach them, I stopped a couple feet in front of Johnson as they are walking towards me, I am going towards them. And I allowed him to keep walking towards my window, which was down. As Johnson came around my driver’s side mirror I said, "why don't you guys walk on the sidewalk." He kept walking, as he is walking he said, "we are almost to our destination."

Q: do you think he used those words destination, we are almost to our destination.

A: yes ma'am. He said we are almost to our destination and he pointed this direction over my vehicle. So like in a North Easternly direction.

And as he did that, he kept walking and Brown was starting to come around the mirror and as he came around the mirror I said, "well what's wrong with the sidewalk." Brown then replied, um, it has vulgar language.

Q: you can say it, say it.

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A: Brown then replied, "fuck what you have to say." And when he said that, it drew my attention totally to Brown. It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request.

When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is in his right hand, and is full of cigarillos. And that's when it clicked for me because I now saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.


What Brown said is reported in past tense; that Wilson sees cigarillos is reported in present. “That’s when it clicked for me…because I now…” Seems both persuasive and has issues with time- “clicked” is past tense, but is soon followed by “now” not “then.” This seems sensitive. “I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt” is indirect wording; he does not say “I checked and saw that Johnson was wearing a black shirt”; technically he doesn’t tell us that at this time he saw Johnson wearing a black shirt. Also, the word “stealing” is unexpected. If he is recalling the radio report from experiential memory, wouldn’t we expect a more legal term, “robbery” or “theft”?

And they kept walking, as I said, they never once stopped, never got on the sidewalk they stayed in the middle of the road.

“As I said…” recalling what he said not necessarily what happened. “never once…never got” is not the same as “didn’t get on the sidewalk.” Here, this is clearly persuasive and not mere narration.

So I got on my radio and Frank 21 is my call sign that day, I said Frank 21 I'm on Canfield with two, send me another car.

I then placed my car in reverse and backed up and I backed up just past them and then angled my vehicle, the back of my vehicle to kind of cut them off kind to keep them somewhat contained.


Car becomes vehicle. What justifies change in language?

As I did that, I go to open the door and I say, hey, come here for a minute to Brown. As I'm opening the door he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, "what the fuck are you going to do about it" and shuts my door, slammed it shut. I haven't even got it open enough to get my leg out, it was only a few inches.

A lot of present tense

I then looked at him and told him to get back and he was just staring at me, almost like to intimidate me or to overpower me. The intense face he had was just not what I expected from any of this.
Here, a lot of past. This “faceoff” seems more from experiential memory.

I then opened my door again and used my door to push him backwards, and while I'm doing that I tell him to, "get the fuck back", and then I use my door to push him.


Switch from past to present

Q: you tell him to "get the fuck back"?

A: yes

Q: okay

A: He then grabs my door again and shuts my door. At that time is when I saw him coming into my vehicle. His head was higher than the top of my car. And I see him ducking and as he is ducking his hands are up and he is coming in my vehicle.

I had shielded myself in this type of manner and kind of looked away, so I don't remember seeing him come at me but I was hit right here in the side of the face with a fist. I don't think it was a full on swing, I think it was a full on swing, but not a full shot. I think my arm deflected some of it but there was still a significant amount of contact that was made to my face.


Why not “my” face “his” fist”? Sensitivity around how forceful the “swing…shot” was.

Buckley said...

Sorry for all the deletions- it seems to be posting my "previews" even though I haven't hit "publish."

Peter Hyatt said...

Thank you, Anonymous, for your effort.

Analysis will be going up.

Please choose a name.

Peter

Buckley said...

Yes, thanks for posting the police interview! I'm glad we'll finally get a look at it. I'll try and type out more of the grand jury testimony, too.

Anonymous said...

http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-prosecutor-releases-more-evidence-ferguson-shooting-183638619.html

new statement from Mike Browns friend/witness