Monday, December 1, 2014

Shia LaBeouef Collaborators

Statement Analysis of Shia LaBouef's claim to have been raped shows deception.  Here, the NY Daily News ran an article stating that two co workers corroborate his rape claim. 

Do they?

Shia LaBeouf’s collaborators weigh in on actor’s claim he was raped during #IAMSORRY show

NYC PAPERS OUT. Social media use restricted to low res file max 184 x 128 pixels and 72 dpiJefferson Siegel/New York Daily NewsShia LaBeouf after an appearance at Manhattan Criminal Court on Tuesday.
Two of Shia LaBeouf's artist collaborators have spoken out on the "Fury" actor's claim that he was raped during a performance art exhibition in February.
Luke Turner and Nastja Säde Rönkkö took to Twitter Sunday to comment on the "Transformers" star's claim he was raped by a woman during his bizarre "#IAMSORRY" exhibit, which involved him sitting silently in a room with a paper bag over his head.
In identical messages, Turner and Rönkkö said they sought to "clarify" a few things about the project before adding, "Nowhere did we state that people could do whatever they wanted to Shia during #IAMSORRY."

"As soon as we were aware of the incident starting to occur, we put a stop to it and ensured that the woman left," the duo said.

Note it is not "rape" but "the incident" 


Turner then had an exchange with former CNN host Piers Morgan, who asked why they let LaBeouf's "'rapist' just walk away."
LaBeouf and writer Aimee Cliff sat in silence for an hour for a video feature in Dazed magazine. The actor told the magazine he was raped during his performance art show in Beverly Hills in February.DAZEDLaBeouf and writer Aimee Cliff sat in silence for an hour for a video feature in Dazed magazine. The actor told the magazine he was raped during his performance art show in Beverly Hills in February.
"It wasn't clear at the time precisely what had happened, & the 1st priority was to ensure everybody's safety in the gallery," Turner wrote.
"She ran out, rather than simply walking away. Beyond that, it's not my place to comment."

note:  "it's not my place to comment" is found within a comment. 


The artists' comments were the latest development in another bizarre round of publicity for the 28-year-old LaBeouf, who made the rape claim during a Q&A feature with a writer from Dazed magazine.
The performance art show invited members of the public to visit LaBeouf one on one while he sat in silence in a room of a Beverly Hills gallery.
Describing the alleged assault to Dazed, LaBeouf said, "One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me."
"There were hundreds of people in line when she walked out with disheveled hair and smudged lipstick. It was no good, not just for me but her man as well."
The actor also claimed his girlfriend, actress Mia Goth, was waiting in line to see him when the incident occurred.
"So it really hurt her as well, as I guess the news of it travelled through the line," he said.
"When she came in she asked for an explanation, and I couldn't speak, so we both sat with this unexplained trauma silently."
The Daily News reached out to the actor's rep for comment on the sexual abuse allegations, but has not received a response.
The LaBeouf feature in Dazed magazine was paired with an odd, hour-long video of the actor in which he and writer Aimee Cliff sat in silence for an hour with GoPro cameras strapped to their heads.


64 comments:

tania cadogan said...

the incident starting to occur,

proceeded to rape me


These 2 statements caught my eye because neither say she raped me/ she raped him.

In both statements we have a start but no finish

In leboef's statement he says she proceeded to rape me.
Proceed means to start or begin.
the expected would be She raped me but he doesn;t say that.

His collaborators refer to it as an incident rather than rape and then it is minimised further as it was starting to occur not that it was occuring or had occured.

In both statements there is minimising of what happened and passiveness.

If it was rape as claimed, did he report it to police and have statements been taken from everyone who was in line as she walked out with smudged lipstick and disheveled hair especially as he tells us the news spread down the line.

"There were hundreds of people in line when she walked out with disheveled hair and smudged lipstick. It was no good, not just for me but her man as well."
He doesn't say she finished raping me or walked out after she raped me, only that she walked out with disheveled hair and smudged lipstick.
It was no good can have several meanings.

He doesn't tell us what was no good?
Does he mean the sex was no good for him?
Does he mean the sex with her was no good for her man?
Does he mean with all the witnesses as to her appearance, her man was going to know something physical had happened?

What is missing is he doesn't call out for help.
There are queues of people outside, there would be staff present as well, if it was rape after whipping his legs for 10 mins why did he not call out at any point during the whipping for example?
did the people hear anything?
Did the staff hear anything?
What about the woman's man? did he hear anything?

All i see is passivity.

Anonymous said...

Shia is beautiful. i have no doubt among all the show attendees some girl decided to try for it. what i dont understand is why shia didnt discuss trying to stop her. i could believe it was uninvited. but im not convinced it was something shiahomself objected to until later. but maybe he dosnt have to object maybe not concenting is enoght to make it rape

Jen Ow said...

Am I understanding this article to mean that LaBeouf was 'sitting in silence' as a part of this exhibit....to the point that he wasn't able/allowed to speak to:

1. Object to the whipping, abuse, and even rape that he claims was inflicted by this unknown woman.

2. Explain what happened to his girlfriend when she came in and demanded an explanation.

Is he really trying to sell us on the idea that he was so committed to his 'art', or to this exhibition project, that he remained silent even in the face of accusations, abuse, and as he claims, forced sexual contact?

GetThem said...

"As soon as we were aware of the incident starting to occur, we put a stop to it and ensured that the woman left,"...

1. "starting to occur" - it would be enough to simply say "as soon as we were aware of the incident." "Starting to occur is extra language.

2. "we put a stop to it and ensured..." Again, extra language. It's enough to simply say: We stopped it.

3. "the woman left." She wasn't thrown out or told to leave. She left.

4. Missing information after the woman "left." Something about SA and the word left (left, as in leaving).

tania cadogan said...

Exactly Jen Ow

if he was 'whipped' as claimed for 10 mins, i would assume there would have been marks on his skin or at least reddening.

is this all a stunt for his 'art' or is he thinking up ways to explain away boinking another woman whilst his girlfriend was in the queue?

Was there any cctv in the area?

was there any in the room?

Why has the woman's boyfriend not come forward if the allegations are true?

she is an alleged rapist or she boinked an actor literally behind his back.

either of those should provoke a reaction if it occurred as claimed.

if this turns out to be faked and was either consensual or a fake report to promote him/his art/whatever, then he should be prosecuted.

GetThem said...

Tania, I agree. Saying "it was no good" meant to me, that the sex was no good to whatever degree. Whether he couldn't participate fully or whether he didn't enjoy it ... there's something about it being no good.

john said...

"It wasn't clear at the time precisely what had happened, & the 1st priority was to ensure everybody's safety in the gallery," Turner wrote.

"the 1st priority"

Note, not "my" priority, or "our" priority. Given the plural "we" is consistent. He now says "the". Distancing himself.

This reminds me of the principle of "this and that" Where there is a "this", a "that" usually follows, and vice versa.

If there is more than one scenario and we speak about it, we will put them in order, A,B,C, 123 and so on. If one thing happened and nothing else, we say xyz happened, and thats it.

To say,

"the 1st priority," and nothing follows, ie, what came second, is for me, deceptive. what else was going through his mind at this time ?

"the 1st priority was to ensure everybody's safety in the gallery," Turner wrote.

Why would "everybody" be "the" priority. why put other people before, the person who allegedly is being raped ?

tania cadogan said...

Exactly John.

The more he speaks, the more we have to work with and the more his initial story reveals red flags.

wreyeter72 said...

Shia LeBeouef makes me sick to my stomach. The way he looks, the things he says, his actions. So much of what he is about is sexually tainted, and not in an appealing way to anyone. This young man is sick, in my opinion. This isn't the first time he's been caught lying. He seems to make a habit of it.

Bonnie Blue said...

Here's the interview and email correspondence with the young woman who was a random pen pal:

http://thecampaignbook.com/interview/

and this explains why he did the "art exhibit". It had to do with recently getting caught plagiarizing.

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22732/1/shia-labeouf-the-interview

I think that Shai has difficulty sticking to the truth in general.


Droll Skeptic said...

Shia LaBeouef's statement speaks for itself: it screams "I am deceitful!"

What I find very interesting about the SA principles being applied to this statement is that it shows that SA can be effective on the statements of even severely mentally ill persons.

This young man's statement is not only willfully deceitful, IMO, but also highly disorganized.

Disorganized in the way that schizophrenics and those suffering from other forms of psychotic disorders often display.

This kid's past and present odd behavior, odd statements and public melt downs suggest he needs help.

All JMO, of course.

Kellie said...

OT

What could it indicate if a person answers a question with, "I don't know" yet continues with a specific answer to the question?

Anonymous said...

I like that he's trying to be a conceptual artist in hollywood. hollywood needs more art. I also think he's super sexy. maybe a weirdo too but whatever,

i find it doubtful he was raped but there are a lot of gradations of how unwanted sex can be. maybe he just didn't want it - bt wasn't actually traumatized. and he doesn't know the word for that, there isn't really a word for that.

trustmeigetit said...

A woman is rarely the rapist. Partly because of the arousal factor.

Also, no talk of how she was able to have power over him. IE tired up, weapon etc.

He really expects us to beleive this?

It doesn't even sound real.

A woman whipped and raped you. Story over?

Think this guy has gone cray cray!

Anonymous said...

He is about as sexy as a band-aid. You never want to get involved with crazy and sex.

His story is so bizarre. Woman with boyfriend standing by the door. Why was the boyfriend there? Was he a voyeur, standing guard so she could "rape?"

Whipped yet no marks on his body?
He never said "stop" or "no?"
Why does he acts as if he was helpless in the matter?
Why no description of the woman?
Nothing adds up. The story so bizarre, one might question how could anyone make up such a ridiculous story? However, when you are dealing with someone who is incredibly unbalanced, they would expect the story to be believable.

rob said...

I think I'll just file this under 'I've heard it all now' and move on

Anonymous said...

wreyeter72 said...

Shia LeBeouef makes me sick to my stomach. The way he looks, the things he says, his actions. So much of what he is about is sexually tainted, and not in an appealing way to anyone. This young man is sick, in my opinion. This isn't the first time he's been caught lying. He seems to make a habit of it.

December 1, 2014 at 9:42 PM

He is the embodiment of narcissism

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add, that sadly a lot of people do find him appealing. I don't.

john said...

OT Update:

'Those aren't black people, those are scumbags': Charles Barkley reveals what he thinks of Ferguson rioters as he reveals support for grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson

Barkley told a Philadelphia radio show host that black neighborhoods would become the 'wild west' without the police

The 51-year-old former NBA star said he believes testimony that supported Darren Wilson's decision to shoot unarmed teen Michael Brown in August
Barkley also sided with a decision to exonerate George Zimmerman in 2013 after he was tried for killing unarmed teen Trayvon Martin



Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2856963/Charles-Barkley-condemns-Ferguson-rioter-scumbags-reveals-support-grand-jury-decision-not-indict-Darren-Wilson.html#ixzz3KkpLukow

Sus said...

OT
I am reading the Darren Wilson grand jury documents and thought I would share a few thoughts for comments. I still have four volumes left, but so far I realize...

...Some people lie for their own benefit or possibly for payback. The witnesses telling the "shot in the back", "hands up", "shot him while he was on the ground" are all connected to Dorian Johnson and/or Michael Brown.
...The old saying "what you see cant be trusted"...whew, is that ever true! Every eye witness seemed to see it a bit differently, some a lot differently, and based on their own experiences.
...I've never seen so many people in one area that take no responsibility for themselves and their own choices. That group of apartment complexes has turned their lives over to the government and the police. I'm not sure I can describe it, but I felt as I read a sense of entrapment and hopelessness...almost caged.
...Many of the witnesses who spoke even a tad "against" Michael Brown or the culture of the apartments suffered anxiety and fear. All witnesses seemed to have a natural distrust of police and government and most lawered up. Some had records they didn't want exposed or were afraid they'd have probations revoked. This wasn't just about Michael Brown to them. It was about their own safety.
...Most of the witnesses seem to suffer from some type of high level stress, like their fight or flight reflex is on at all times from witnessing violence. They mention checking their surroundings, yelling, drugs, gunshots, etc. We are raising generations of highly stressed out people that feel trapped. No wonder violence is the norm.
...Dorian Johnson (the main witness) has no moral compass. Right and wrong for him is gauged by whether he's caught. I mean everything in his life. It isn't wrong if no one else saw it or said anything about it or threw him in jail for it.
...Michael Brown was brazen that morning. Whether he usually is, I don't know, but he certainly was that morning. I suspect he had an oppositional disorder as he was thrown out of his mother's, father's, two grandmother's and was staying with a friend's sister. All for "some sort of family arguing or tiffs." He reached behind a counter and stole. He told the clerk he was taking the cigarillos. He shoved the clerk. He walked down the center of a street with stolen merchandise in both hands even though he had pockets to hide them. He told his friend "It's cool. Don't worry about it." He didn't care who saw him. When stopped by police , he reached in his car and punched him.
...This is where my experience comes in. I've worked with teens like this. Their need to be oppositional and their anger take over their thinking. All Michael Brown's actions point toward a full-blown oppositional rage that someone stopped him from what he wanted.

Sorry for the length. I wish Peter would analyze Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson's statements. This case is bothering me.

Jen Ow said...

"he was raped by a woman during his bizarre "#IAMSORRY" exhibit, which involved him sitting silently in a room with a paper bag over his head."

-Sorry to ask again, but is everyone getting what I am from this statement...that he is claiming that he had to remain silent as part of the exhibit?

He also eludes to that again here:

"When she came in she asked for an explanation, and I couldn't speak, so we both sat with this unexplained trauma silently."

-The first time I read it, I thought he was saying he couldn't speak due to being traumatized...but now I think he is referring to the exhibit.

I find it unbelievable that he would sit silently through being whipped, raped, and confronted by his own girlfriend, due to his self imposed silence for his 'art'.

Where is this woman? Why wasn't the exhibit closed immediately upon his cohorts discovering this was 'starting to happen'? Surely there are surveillance cameras either inside the gallery, or near enough to capture this woman who committed such a serious crime. (If his claims are to be believed)

It's all a little too weird for me!

Anonymous said...

@John OT Update-
My favorite Charles Barkley moment was when he talked about his mother saying, "Charles, you can not vote Republican, they are only for the rich!" And he said, "I am rich!"

Doty said...

Sus- OT
Very thoughtful comments. I find your psychological assessment compelling and agree with most of your points.
I disagree with the cops story that Mr. Brown punched him in the face, in the way cop told his story. I believe Mr. Johnsons version that has the cop grabbing Mr. Brown by the shirt/collar/neck. I think Mr. Brown hit/punched the cop in the scuffle that ensued and that hitting/punching the cop was self defense.
I reject outright the cop claiming Mr. Brown tried to take his gun, but do believe the cop pulled his gun on Mr. Brown and Mr. Brown grabbed the barrel of the gun so that it wasn't pointing at him anymore.
I think the cop is a loose cannon and had no legitimate reason to shoot Mr. Brown.
Check out the YouTube video recently identified as the cop. The cop lies, threatens, and is generally a jerk to the man/homeowner filming him. Most people outside of the ghetto have never been treated this way by a cop, and without all the recordings flooding the Internet would probably never believe how horrible the cops can really be.
Also, Sus, I'd love to read your opinion on the effect the cops childhood had on his personality development. You can read about the cops mothers criminal past. It was shocking.

trustmeigetit said...

What infuriates me the most with the Michael Brown case is that none of these people have stood up to turn their city around. Stop the violence. When kids are killed by drive by shootings, does anyone protest, riot for change.
NOPE!!
So why now, when a thug is killed do they all sudden care so much? Why now.. Why that one case when so many have been killed.
If they really cared, where were the protests and riots when their own killed each other.
But because it's a cop, all the sudden it's a race thing.
Yes, I am sure some cops are just awful. But I can not for the life of me imagine dealing with criminals day in and day out.

And again, Michael was not a kid. He was a dangerous THUG. That is a fact.

Take a look at his "adult" record. He turned 18 in May so this was not years... We don't know what his juvenile record must look like....
Description: Burglary 1st Degree Felony
Date: 11/02/2013

Description: Armed Criminal Action Felony Unclassified
Date: 11/02/2013

Description: Assault 1st Degree Serious Physical Injury Felony
Date: 11/02/2013

Description: Armed Criminal Action Felony
Date: 11/02/2013


So again, this was not some innocent kid. He was already a danger. Especially considering the 3rd one. "serious physical injury" and 2 of this crimes he was armed.
I really believe that had he not been shot and killed, he may have caused way more deaths. And I think its very possible that he could have killed Darren.
Deaths which not one person in his town would have stood up and rioted over.. That I am sure of.

So you have to ask then why.... Why this death when so many others were ignored.
People need to focus their direction in this. Protest to change the violence in your town.

trustmeigetit said...

As far as Shia..now that it's clear why he say she didn't defend himself I have to ask...

How on earth is sitting in a room with a bag on your head called "art"?

Maybe it's just me but that alone tells me he has gone crazy.

And IF he was attacked what kind of messed up person would just sit there and take it.

Either he is totally crazy or he's lying. Maybe a lil of both.

Anonymous said...

this false testi,ony surrounding Mike Brown actually reminds me a lot of the false evidence created surrounding Tammy and Syrdey Moorer.

people believe they know what happened and if the evidence is not forthcoming they create evidence or lie to try to help expose the truth.

it's a winding road.

interesting how the results are so different in the different communities.

Anonymous said...

performance art get's a lot crazier. he's actually very tame in the range.

Anonymous said...

http://karenfinley.com

one of the original pioneers or performamce art -- Karen Finley smeared various food products on her naked body on stage.

now considered a classic rather than cutting edge.

another famous guy, who's name escapes me shot himself as performance art.

and those were just the people who got it started as an art form back in 60's and 70's.

it's more or less what performance art is -- to get "crazy" - or take risks, etc.


Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE5u3ThYyl4

chris Burden -- shot himself as performace art. 1971.

everybody in art school is taught about this guy - now in cannon of fine art.

if you put Shia in contat of history of his art form it makes a lot more sense.

Karen K. said...

"Sorry to ask again, but is everyone getting what I am from this statement...that he is claiming that he had to remain silent as part of the exhibit?"

Jen Ow, I see the same thing. I read the entire interview found here:http://thecampaignbook.com/interview/

After reading that interview, I think he remained silent for this "artistic exhibit" both when the woman who allegedly assaulted him was there, and also when his girlfriend came in to question him. In that interview, I don't see Shia really complaining about "rape" from a victim perspective; rather, he is stating how some of the people who came in to the room with him abused the chance to be alone with him. They were allowed to pick up items to use before they went in. One was a whip, so what did they expect; this was open to the public so they had to expect that someone may take advantage of some of these odd props. It sounds to me like he was willing to go along with all of this for the "artistic" effect of it all. Shia comes across as extremely intelligent, but desperately seeking some meaning in life, and doing it through these artistic endeavors. I don't see him releasing this information about a "rape" as him claiming to be a victim, but only as a result of this artistic exhibit and how some people (or one person) abused that opportunity. I am not defending him, but I think that the way this story has dramatically spread is what he and his collaborators were looking for.

tania cadogan said...

off topic

The stepmother of an Oregon boy whose 2010 disappearance sparked an intense and widespread search is again trying to persuade a judge to let her change her name.

Terri Moulton Horman made a similar request in August, saying she wanted to start a new life and avoid the stigma attached to the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

The seven-year-old went missing in June 2010 after she dropped him off at his Portland school

A major search came up empty.

Investigators have focused on Horman, but she has never been charged.

Kyron Horman’s biological parents and others have said they suspect Moulton Horman of being involved in the disappearance of her stepson.

She asked a Lane County judge last week to change her name to Claire Kisiel.

The Register-Guard reports the request will be considered December 11.

In August she tried to change her name to Claire Stella Sullivan, saying it would allow her to start life over, the Roseburg News-Review reported at the time.

The child’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Moulton Horman a few weeks after Kyron went missing.

'After being divorced for six months, I decided I wanted to start my new life under a new name,' she said.

Four people involved in search efforts for the boy and fundraisers objected in court, saying Terri Horman hadn't answered questions about him.

'Kyron doesn't have a voice... I don't understand how that's fair,' said Vernice Porter of Roseburg.

'Why should she get to move on with her life? Everybody has a right to know who she is.'

The judge rejected the request, saying it wouldn't be in the public interest because an investigation remains open.

Terri Horman told investigators she dropped off the seven-year-old for a science fair at Skyline Elementary School on June 4, 2010.

There has been no trace of him since.

There have been no arrests.

She and the boy's father, Kaine Horman, divorced, and she moved to Roseburg, her hometown.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2857931/Stepmom-missing-Oregon-boy-tries-change-four-years-son-s-unsolved-disappearance.html


Why would an innocent parent want to change their name?
If we go with her version of events, how would Kyron be able to contact her if he doesn't know her new name?

Guilty people or those with something to hide on the other hand, have every reason to want to change their name.
It distances them from the crime and their involvement, it allows for plausible deniability ( it was bill bloggs that did the crime and i am john smith)

It allows for them to pretend to be someone they aren't and to perhaps hoodwink future partners and friends and prevent those ph so awkward questions and perhaps to avoid being followed by LE



Anonymous said...

I have a theory that Shia was rapes at some earlier point in life. an on an unconscious level he was trying to readress that experience with this performace art.

tania cadogan said...

off topic

Steven Powell, the father-in-law of missing mother Susan Powell, has been sent back to jail for refusing to get sexual deviancy treatment as he awaits child porn charges, it has emerged.

A Washington state judge ruled that the 64-year-old, who is from Tacoma, must go back to jail for at least 40 days, RadarOnline reported.

Saturday will mark five years since his daughter-in-law Susan vanished in Utah, which means she will be declared legally dead. Her husband, Josh Powell, was long considered a person of interest in her disappearance but was never charged in the case.

Tragedy struck for a second time in 2012 when Josh Powell attacked the couple's two young sons with a hatchet and then burned down his Graham, Washington home, with him and the boys inside.

In 2012, authorities searched a home he had previously shared with his father, Steven Powell, and allegedly found that the elder Powell had child pornography in his possession.

In May 2012 he was convicted of 14 counts of voyeurism for taking photos of two young neighbor girls in the bathroom and was sentenced to serve two-and-a-half years in June 2012.

He got out of Washington State prison in March after finishing up his sentence.

But last month, prosecutors refiled a charge of possession of child pornography against him after an appeals court determined that the charge was wrongly dismissed during his original trial.

On his release from prison, Powell was ordered to complete a sexual deviancy treatment program and undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation.

He was also ordered to stay away from places where juveniles are typically found such as pools, parks, playgrounds and schools.

In July, police found Powell in a Jack in the Box fast-food restaurant and he was sentenced to nine days in jail for visiting an establishment frequented by minors, according to police reports.

In August, Powell's counselor 'terminated treatment' because Powell refused to cooperate with the psychosexual evaluation, according to the report.

His parole officer determined he was being 'manipulative,' and he was sentenced to three days in jail.

Powell again refused to answer questions about his sexual behavior during treatment in October, according to the report.

His parole officer recently asked the judge to sentence him to another 60 days behind bars, saying that he poses a 'continued risk to the community' for failing to undergo the treatment.

On Saturday, it will be the five-year anniversary of Susan Powell's disappearance - which means she will be declared legally dead under Utah law.

Josh, 36, is suspected to have killed his wife, although family members have voiced their belief that Steven was complicit in her presumed death.

Thousands of images of Susan Powell were seized from the home that Steve Powell was sharing with his son in 2011 by police serving a search warrant.

The images - some sexually suggestive - showed the missing Utah mother walking in public, doing the laundry or sitting in her car, apparently unaware that someone was taking her picture.

Steve Powell has never been charged with any crimes related to images of Susan Powell.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2857528/Steven-Powell-heads-jail-refusing-sexual-deviancy-treatment-awaits-child-porn-trial.html



john said...

I would like to know what his, Subjective Internal Dictionary (SID) of rape is ?

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
I have a theory that Shia was rapes at some earlier point in life. an on an unconscious level he was trying to readress that experience with this performace art.
December 2, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I'd like to hear more of this...there may be something to it.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Tania,

you do incredible work.

Peter

Jen Ow said...

Thank you! I agree with everything you said.

Seems that if this were truly viewed as a 'rape' by any of the parties involved, steps would have been taken to bring this woman to justice.

Then again, it would be pretty hard to argue that you were 'raped' when you participated willingly in these interactions, for which you provided sexually charged props such as a whip, and even according to your own version of events you never spoke a word of either consent, or protest to the activities taking place, as you were sitting silently with a bag over your head??

It seems like the reason they are telling this story at all, is to create buzz.

Bonnie Blue said...

Peter,
Here is an article on his father (convicted of attempted rape) ...

Coincidence?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2053381/Shia-LaBeoufs-father-Jeffrey-registered-sex-offender-jailed-attempted-rape.html

Bonnie Blue said...
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Bonnie Blue said...

Jeffrey LaBeouf, father of Hollywood star Shia, is a registered sex offender and was once jailed for attempted rape, it has emerged.
According to Star magazine, Mr LaBeouf, now 63, served a jail sentence between 1981 and 1983 after being convicted.
The conviction means that he is listed on the Megan's Law website, which gives people access to sex offenders across the U.S.
A spokesman for the Attorney General's office told the magazine that 'the Megan's Law website is 100% accurate. If a person is on that website, they are a sex offender.'
Mr LaBeouf's listing gives his physical statistics along with his conviction status.
However, according to Star, 'all official police documentation associated with the assault has inexplicably vanished.'
Yet the online Department of Justice confirms the crime, describing it as 'assault with intent to commit rape.'
It is unknown if Shia is aware of his father's crime, although he has previously discussed growing up with his parents, now divorced, and his father's one time drug addiction.
Mr LaBeouf has also been in trouble in the past, according to Star.
He was allegedly accused of sexual harassment of an actress on Shia's 2000 TV show Even Stevens and also allegedly assaulted a gay Disney executive after he gave Shia a congratulatory hug.
Shia later recounted the incident to Details magazine: 'He goes, "Are you trying to talk to my boy, you chicken hawk?" You can't do that to the executives.'
But 25-year-old Shia is also not without his run-ins with the law
He had a well-documented altercation with a security guard in a Chicago Walgreens and was involved in a car accident back in 2008 which crushed his left hand.
Back in February this year, he had an altercation in a north Hollywood bar and last week he was involved in a street fight with a man in a Vancouver bar.
A representative for the actor did not return calls for comment.


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Peter Hyatt said...
Anonymous said...
I have a theory that Shia was rapes at some earlier point in life. an on an unconscious level he was trying to readress that experience with this performace art.
December 2, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I'd like to hear more of this...there may be something to it.

Peter

December 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

I guess I've always aswsumed Shia was sexually abused when younger. growing up in hollywood - groomed to be a star - there's so many rumors that abuse of young stars is rampant - etc. and he is very sexual. personally I find him super attractive. but that is neither here nor there. -- take Lindsay Lohan for example -- she's super sexy, esp before the drugs tore her down a few notches - and you could say over sexualized to her own detriment, but we also have no qualms assuming she was ubused when she was younger. exacyly how - who knows - at the very least emotionally -- and it makes sense - that you spends muc of her life acting out -- probably in some part beacause of that childhood trauma. -- there are many that folow similar patterns, girls go "looking' for abuse in bad men after they were abused as children, -- we know htis happens - sometimes we judge sometimes we sympathize sometimes it's a combination.

now comes Shia, a man. a rich young popular capable intelligent man. apparently with inner wounds and deamons. it's a lot harder for a men to just take some suggetsive selfies and get some bad girls to take advantage of him. --- so maybe he get's more systematic about it and tries another approach, and maybe he doesn't totally know why he's doing what he's doing or exactly what he wants, because he's suffering. he is suffering from childhood trauma he may not even remember. or acknowledge as trauma. --- this art thing he sat up is so "asking" to get raped -in the safest way possible - if you ask me.

I wouldn't write him off as crazy or as a liar. people rarely go around saying they were raped for the pleasure of it, or even just to cover infidelity. it's a big thing to say.

I'd give him bennefit of the doubt that he's in earnest at least on an important level. that he "feels" raped. and it may be from before more than from now but now is easier to talk about for him.

Anonymous said...

wow - I guess the info about his father sure supports my theory

Bonnie Blue said...

ANON 6:27pm

There are articles where Shia says his father was a biker and abused drugs. He said his house had all kinds of "crackheads" coming and going.

When a parent lives a lifestyle of abusing drugs in a house with children, the guests coming and going are not always of the highest caliber. It is not uncommon for their children to suffers sexual abuse of some kind. Sexual deviants are rampant in those circumstances.

Anonymous said...

sounds like his art was recreating the vulnerability he felt as a kid. stream of trangers parading through. silenced. perhaps even blindfolded even. exposed.

nobody puts a bag on their heads and says do whatever you want from me - on purpose. . who hasn't been forcd to experienced such a feeling when they were not in controll of the circumstances.

I think we should all be more kind to him in our judgements.

maybe he's trying to tell the world something important and we are turning a blind eye to it nitpicking obout somethning we really don't have enough information on. i say this not even just for him - but for all victims trying to come to terms with their old wounds as adults.

trustmeigetit said...

Here we go again.

Missing 2 year old since 11-23.

Malik Drummond

"The parents of two-year-old Malik Drummond say he walked out of their home over the weekend."

I find this concerning unless he has a habit of this. In which case there is a solution.

No parents speaking out that I can't find.


wreyeter72 said...

I think yours is an excellent assessment. I wonder if he would benefit greatly from breaking his silence publically?

Anonymous said...

thank you, ( I think you mean me)

as for that idea I couldn't say. the public is not always the best therapist, but maybe the public itself would bennefit too. he should try what he feels moved to try - personally I wish him well.

ecossie possie said...

A Woman can be RAPED against her wil.
A Man also if he is being raped by another man anally or with a Woman with a strap on dildo.
How ever it is impossable for a man to be raped against his will by a Woman wigh her vagina.
As the penis must be erect.

NO Man is going to become erect unless he is aroused.
And if he was aroused then he was up for it.
Pun intended

ecossie possie said...

Also smudged lipstick means there was kissing involved.
Kissing not high on a rapists agenda.
Even less likely to kiss someone with a bag over there head i m o.

Anonymous said...

Ecossie, I hope you are making a poor joke when you say that physical arousal negates rape.

Regardless, 'forcible penetrative intercourse' is not the legal definition of rape. It may vary by jurisdiction, but is usually along the lines of the FBI definition:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

Notice the words "no matter how slight." Notice the words "without . . . consent."

A female can rape a male, no erection required.

Scout

Maggie said...

What color where the "performance art rooms //????//"doors?//??/??//?//

Anonymous said...

I was making comments on the Darren Wilson blog but everyone is here.

Sus, I read Dorian Johnson's grand jury testimony, I think 186 pages, and I was also struck by their lifestyle. I was struck by what he said about meeting Michael Brown and when he came to his apartment for the first time. It's not the same way at all that I would assess a potential new friendship. There is a lot but this one sunk in first:
Q But you liked him?
A Right, he was a real comfortable guy. I didn't feel a threat from him to where I could, you know, I could let him around my family, my daughter and my girlfriend and let him into my home. He was that comfortable around me that I could, you know, I could trust that he wouldn't bring harm to me and anybody around me.
----
I felt very sad that a threat/safety was the first thought, not "Oh, let's get a coffee at Starbucks and chat."

Also, I thought when people said "They 'stay' with so and so" that that meant they lived there, but it looks like they literally just stay there but do not live there, as in, it's their home. That is so sad.

Anonymous said...

As for Officer Wilson's statement, I noticed on 1 occasion, Officer Wilson used "we" about him and Brown and "our self" and wonder how these would apply to this type of situation because in SA it is important when an alleged victim uses we.

Page 12, He said "I didn't run as far as him. I stopped and I gave our self at least a 20-foot-gap between me and him."

Page 15 He said "I mean the majority of it . Once we got out, I mean, I didn't run very far or very long, um, and that's when the shooting started."

This seems like a major point? "I didn't never at any point didn't have control of him. I mean he-he manipulated me while I was in the vehicle completely."

john said...

OT Update:

Grand Jury Declines To Indict NYPD Officer In Chokehold Death Of Eric Garner

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner_n_6263656.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021&ir=Crime

Anonymous said...

I didn't run very far or very long, um, and that's when the shooting started."


saying what he didn't do instead of what he did
stalling
passivity about shooting rather than ownership

C5H11ONO said...

Sorry about Off Topic. Bear Chases Cyclist in the Woods
"It was a usual day, I decided to cycle in the forest and to record my walk on the Gopro. To my great surprise, I met a bear, which hardly pounced on me. Thanks God, I left alive due to the shots that thundered not far from that location!"

http://unofficialnetworks.com/2014/11/watch-mountain-biker-chased-by-giant-bear

I should have done Statement Analysis instead I was fooled. It looked real. This is false, but the statement is revealing. LOL!

tania cadogan said...

Q But you liked him?
A Right, he was a real comfortable guy. I didn't feel a threat from him to where I could, you know, I could let him around my family, my daughter and my girlfriend and let him into my home. He was that comfortable around me that I could, you know, I could trust that he wouldn't bring harm to me and anybody around me.

He doesn't answer the yes no question with a simple yes.
Instead he replies right.
he then proceeds to go beyond the boundries of the question making it sensitive.

I didn't feel a threat from him to where I could, you know, I could let him around my family, my daughter and my girlfriend and let him into my home.
Anything in the negative is sensitive.
He tells us he didn't feel a threat from him to where he could let him around his family his daughter and his girlfriend.
This sounds odd to my ears.
what would make sense would be i didn't feel a threat from him to where he couldn't...
Could is repeated twice making it sensitive and also he uses the phraseyou know which is used to convince and convey and also shows awareness of the interviewer.

He was that comfortable around me that I could, you know, I could trust that he wouldn't bring harm to me and anybody around me.
This sounds odd as well, he tells us what and how michael brown felt rather than how he himself felt.
He tells us michael brown was comfortable around him that he could trust he wouldn't bring harm...

Why doesn't he tell us how he personally felt around michael brown?

Again we have repetition of i could making it sensitive.
We also have you know appearing again which is used to convince and convey as well as showing awareness of the interviewer.

He tells us he could trust he wouldn't bring harm to himself or anyone around him.

He was asked if he liked him and we then get he was a comfortable guy followed by not feeling a threat to where he could let him be close to his family.

I didn't feel a threat from him to where I could, you know, I could let him around my family, my daughter and my girlfriend and let him into my home.
Order is important, family comes before daughter and girlfriend is last.
I wonder what the family dynamics is?
Is his daughter not part of his family?
Is his girlfriend not considered part of his family?
Who does he consider to be part of his family?

What is his definition of a threat?

Mentally i still think couldn't should replace could.
i didn't feel a threat from him to where i couldn't let him round my family...
instead it sounds like the guy was a threat to him and his family.

PS Thanks for the compliment Peter, it means a lot

Buckley said...

From July: "(CNN) - Shia LaBeouf appeared in Manhattan criminal court Thursday morning over charges stemming from a June incident at a Broadway performance of "Cabaret."

The actor was arrested after allegedly disrupting the Broadway show mid-performance and has been accused of berating and spitting at police officers who were removing him from the theater. LaBeouf is charged with criminal trespass, disorderly conduct and harassment."

So he can talk during others' performances and resist and spit at police, but a rapist and he sits in silence?

Also, I don't remember if it was flossie possie or hobnob...(sorry Britons with rhyming names, cutsie wordings, and a quirky sense of humor to name a few... I get confused) but the issue isn't how she kissed him with a bag on his head- she could have smudged it in other ways- but how he got all these visual details with a bag over his head. We learn more about what happened outside the room (boyfriend, lipstick, hair, line of people) than what happened inside.

Buckley said...

Ugh...should read: "sorry, Britons..." not "sorry Britons..." :/

Anonymous said...

Tania, thank you.

I agree with you. Now that you have dissected his statement, it reads that he did feel Michael Brown was a threat. When I first read it, I thought it was a cultural thing. Now I wonder if Brown had a reputation for having a temper. The way Dorian Johnson worded it, it almost sounds like someone who has taken a dangerous animal and worked with it enough that it feels safe enough around him so he feels safe that it won't attack him.

Sus said...

Hobs,
Great point...and relevant. Dorian Johnson later testified to being surprised by Muchael Brown's behavior in the market and on the street. He judged him incorrectly and saw it too late.

Doty, I watched the tape and I think I'm getting the opposite from it. Even though he told him not to tape, the officer kept his cool while keeping control of the situation. This situation is playing out in a nearby city to me. Can an officer force someone to stop taping? Yes, when it interrupts an arrest. I'm interested to see how all this taping of each other turns out.

As to Darren Wilson's state of mind...was he angry? A loose cannon? There's no reason to think so at this time. Michael Brown's shirt had no DNA from Darren Wilson. Michael Brown had no marks or compressions on his throat. It's highly unlikely Darren Wklson grabbed him as the witness said. Numerous witness testified when Darren Wilson got out of the car, he walked or jogged toward Michael Brown, not ran...with his gun to his side. That's not angry or trying to gun someone down. That's keeping the suspect in view.

In contrast, Michael Brown walked into a store, reached behind the counter twice taking what he wanted, shoved the clerk, walked down the center line of the street with the stolen merchandise in both hands. Virtually all witnesses described Michael Brown's arms moving back and forth into the police car...whether they interpreted it as being pulled or punching. The car was rocking. Michael Brown's touch DNA was found on Darren Wilson's left thigh and shirt. It's obvious, to me at least, who had the "attitude" and was the aggressor.

As an aside, I'd like to add when the St Louis County pathologist seems to be more experienced with gunshots than the Defense pathologist, we have a problem in America.

Anonymous said...

Shia said people who knew his girlfriend saw him having sex with a woman at his exhibition

Shia said these people told his girlfriend that they saw him having sex with a woman at his exhibition

Shia said his girlfriend freaked out

Shia said he told her he was raped by the woman

You don't need "statement analysand" to decipher the obvious

He cheated, he was caught, he lied to cover his cheating a$$

Saint Theresa said...

Wrong.

Anonymous said...

"Ecossie, I hope you are making a poor joke when you say that physical arousal negates rape.

Regardless, 'forcible penetrative intercourse' is not the legal definition of rape. It may vary by jurisdiction, but is usually along the lines of the FBI definition:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

Notice the words "no matter how slight." Notice the words "without . . . consent."

A female can rape a male, no erection required.

Scout"

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Yes, but Shia seems to be suggesting that she had normal penetrative with him against his will, which is impossible, because if he didn't want it to happen he wouldn't have had an erection.

I agree with the other commenter who said that he was making excuses for cheating. "I didn't mean to have sex! I was raped!"

I reckon he got turned on by the situation. He was in a self-imposed silence, with a paper bag over his head, so he was exposed yet he couldn't see anything, and all these people were watching him while a girl was trying to get him aroused to make him react and break his silence. He couldn't resist even though his girlfriend was in the queue.

If he really didn't want it, he could have quietly blocked her from going near his penis.