Friday, January 30, 2015

Moorers: Tammy and Sidney Bond


A judge has ruled that Tammy and Sidney Moorer, the accused killer of Heather Elvis, can be bonded out of jail.

This is likely going to be met with great anger from the public.

If law enforcement postured in holding them, in an attempt to get a confession, I salute their effort.  They know the truth. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is difficult.

Statement Analysis of the case has been clear from the beginning with one notable exception:  Tammy Moorer's raging post against her victim, Heather.  This goes against percentages in that most will only subtly insult their victim.  Tammy Moorer was unafraid to rage against Heather.

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They left the courtroom smiling as they have still not given up the location of Heather's remains.

Bond was set at $100,000 with GPS restrictions.  The judge's comments are revelatory:

from the news: 
Bond was set at $100,000 on each case with restrictions of GPS monitoring and no contact directly or indirectly with Heather Elvis’ family, Circuit Court Judge Markley Dennis said. He also ordered the Moorers to remain five miles from Heather Elvis’ family home, which is about five miles away from their home in the Socastee area.
“I want to set a zone around this family,” Dennis said of Terry and Debbi Elvis after they spoke during the hearing about being receiving threats. “I think the five-mile radius will protect them.”
Note the uncertainty of the word "think"; as this may indicate that the judge knows that this family (and their extended family) posses a risk to the Elvis family.  
Dennis also warned the Moorers that if they flee that it “can be construed as guilt.”
“They’re innocent from my perspective. I ask each one of you to do that, too. It’s difficult,” Dennis said. 
"from my perspective" is distinct.  He is a judge, and judicially, they have not been found guilty yet.  
But is this what he believes in reality of their culpability?  

"it's difficult" may indicate what he believes about them personally, rather than judicially.  Anyone is innocent judicially and it is something that those who "did it" often state, rather than issue a reliable denial.  


“I can’t control you. My setting of a bond doesn’t control the family. ... They are entitled to a bond. Everybody is entitled to a bond.”


Tammy Moorer (often listed first by media) has long been seen as the controlling and dominant of the two.  Her mother is expected to put up the bond for them both. 

This is heartbreaking and frightening for the Elvis family.  Terry has reported that his younger daughter has received threats.  

In the years of doing Statement Analysis, this is the only time I have found an open hatred and rage against a victim before the case was adjudicated.  

Principle is not built upon exception.  This was a good reminder and lesson that where there is a "90% likely", there is a "10% unlikely" in play.  

Trial is set for May.  

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tania cadogan said...

off topic



WICHITA, Kan. – A Wichita man has been sentenced to nearly three years in state prison after his 10-month-old foster daughter died after he left her in a hot car while he and his partner smoked marijuana.

Seth Jackson pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in November. The 29-year-old Jackson was sentenced Friday to 32 months in prison.

Prosecutors say Kadillak Poe-Jones died in July after she was left in the car when the temperature was about 90 degrees.

Jackson was originally charged with felony first-degree murder after investigators found he was smoking marijuana with his partner at their home while the child was outside.

The men say they had believed the girl was playing with other children inside the house. They realized she was outside when they heard an infant crying on television.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/30/kansas-foster-father-gets-nearly-3-years-in-prison-after-10-month-old-girl-dies/



A measly 3 frikken years.

S + K Mum said...

The judge doesn't sound very convinced that the Elvis's are safe.

Terrible as it is - if I were Heather's parents I would move my family well away for the time being because I'd be scared.

They shouldn't have to but I would..... :(

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Kellie said...

I see a slip-up ah comin... Their freedom may be their destruction.

Whether they killed her no one knows for certain, but whatever happened that night there is no question the Moorer's were involved.

tania cadogan said...

off topic

A woman is charged with suffocating her fiance's daughter to death after he found racy texts on her phone and ended the relationship, a court heard.

Melinda Muniz, now 26, is charged with killing three-year-old Grace Ford on January 9, 2014 - hours after Grace's father, an Iraq War veteran, told her to move out of their Plano, Texas, apartment.

Grace, who also suffered severe injuries to her genitalia, died when she was taken off life support three days later in hospital.

This week a jury heard Muniz told police she was raped and knocked unconscious by an intruder who taped Grace's mouth shut.

However, after tests refuted her story, Muniz claimed she had amnesia and could not remember the past two years, Star Local Media reported.

In a third interview, prosecutors say, Muniz said Grace put duct tape over her mouth so Muniz panicked and knocked herself unconscious with a pan.

She then said that she noticed Grace had tape over her mouth, pulled it off, saw she was unconscious, put it back on, and knocked herself out.

She said she 'didn't know' if it was an accident or intentional, the court heard.

An investigation has since revealed Muniz was allegedly seen purchasing duct tape and zip wires hours before Grace was found lifeless on her bed with tape over her mouth and wires around the room, though Muniz claimed these were arts and crafts materials

Searches for 'duct tape' and 'kill' were also found on a MacBook recovered from the property Muniz shared with Grace and then-fiance Mitch Ford, the jury heard.

Muniz, who acted as caretaker for Grace since father Mitch Ford won full custody in 2013, faces life in prison without parole if found guilty.

The couple met in September 2012, a year and a half after Grace was born.

He gained full custody from his ex-wife Emily Reeves Ward, who became addicted to alcohol and prescription pills after he returned from his second Iraq war and their relationship broke down.

Ford said he proposed to Muniz in December 2013 but ended the relationship on January 9, the morning after he saw she had texted pictures of her in underwear to her personal trainer.

He told the court: 'As I was getting ready for work, I let her know I found that stuff on her phone,' he testified.

'It wasn't a big argument or anything. I said it wasn't going to work and called off the engagement. She was kind of unemotional, like it wasn't really a big deal.

'There wasn't a fight. I provided everything for her. I told her she had a week [to move out]. She could keep the engagement ring and sell it and keep the car to drive around and look for jobs. She didn't cry, didn't appear angry.'

The murder trial, which opened on Tuesday, has also heard evidence from the first emergency officers to reach the scene of the crime - who testified that Muniz appeared to be pretending to be unconscious.

'She took a big breath and kind of gently fell to the floor as if she had fainted,' Officer Camille Bowie said.

'Her eyes were kind of fluttering, like she was trying to keep them shut forcefully. There's no movement in the eyes and body when someone faints – if you really faint, you're not going to gently place yourself. I felt like it wasn't genuine.'

Ford told the court he contacted police after his phone call with Muniz was cut short.

He said he was at work, Muniz phoned to say she had just got home with Grace, and the phone seemingly fell to the floor.

He arrived at the apartment at the same time as the officers.

Muniz was lying on her front with her underwear around her ankles.

Grace was in a bedroom on her front and remained unresponsive as she was taken to ER at The Medical Center of Plano.


tania cadogan said...

She was given a dose of epinephrine which started her heart, then doctors noticed bruising and blood around her vaginal area.

'I believed Grace had been sexually assaulted,' Dr Richard Honaker testified.

Deborah Davis, the health practitioner who examined Muniz for evidence of sexual assault, said: 'Other than her verbalizing, I saw nothing to indicate any sexual assault. The defendant didn't seem emotional, was pretty quiet and very cooperative.'

Muniz said she had purchased duct tape, scissors, zip ties and cotton swabs from Dollar Tree for an arts and crafts project.

As she began cleaning, she said Grace must have gotten scared, thinking Muniz was about to vacuum, so she ran to her bedroom and taped her mouth.

Muniz explained that she donned gloves and partially removed the duct tape from Grace's mouth to see if she was OK.

When it was clear Grace wasn't breathing, she panicked and put the tape back on.

Then, as Grace lay unconscious, she gathered the scissors, zip ties and duct tape and disposed of it in a Dumpster across the parking lot, she said.

In a recorded interview with Muniz, played to the jury, Detective Chris Jones said: 'I'm going to be straight-up honest with you: There are issues with your story. You brought up that Grace had duct tape on her when that was never mentioned. How did you know if you were unconscious?'

He added that the time frame was unrealistic, saying the six minutes between the 911 call and authorities' arrival was 'not realistic' for an intruder to physically and sexually assault two people.

Muniz is due to testify on Monday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933986/Woman-26-suffocated-fianc-s-three-year-old-daughter-death-using-duct-tape-broke-racy-texts-sent-personal-trainer.html


This is scary, she looks a lot like casey anthony and the same method of murder, duct tape

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Buckley said...

I posted this in the wrong thread:

I haven't followed this case as closely as some others and have never figured what the indecent exposure is about. I see it's claimed it is related but I thought it had to do with what they were doing before Heather went to the docks. How is it related?

Also, what about the words "has since" in "has since went missing"? It's not direct, but does it seem to be a bridge and subtly imply a relationship between her affair with Sidney and her going missing? "Since" seems like an extra word and I'm curious why she used it. Or is it used to create distance between the two things?

Buckley said...

Not sure if this got posted:

January 27, 2015 at 9:55 AM
Missing Seattle teen returns home
Posted by Jennifer Sullivan
Seattle police say that a 13-year-old girl who went missing on Jan. 16 has returned home.
Eliana Perkins was last seen getting into a white Honda on Martin Luther King Jr. Way, police said. The car was reportedly driven by a man in his 30s.
Police spokesman Patrick Michaud said that in the days following the girl’s disappearance investigators classified her case as that of a runaway, not a missing person. Eliana returned home on Monday, police said.
“She was mostly couch-surfing with friends,” Michaud said.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2015/01/missing-seattle-teen-returns-home/?syndication=rss

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john said...

OT Update:

Mom of burned teen's ex-boyfriend refutes gang rumors

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/30/burned-teen-ex-boyfriends-mom-refutes-gang-rumors/22574903/

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dadgum said...

1. Agree on the three years.
2. Kadillak? Why do people do this...

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Buckley said...

"To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.

To Heather.. I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?"

Those are the words of the person who killed Heather Elvis. "Parked" vs "left"...whatever. The ugliness in Tammy Moorer's soul is evident in her words as well as her face. Terry Elvis shows the concern and love a parent of a missing child should.

Sus said...

I'm going to interrupt the discussion between your personalities to address the parked/left issue.

Using "parked" shows no involvement in Heather's disappearance. Parked means stopped. It means going no further. It shows that the mind of Terry Elvis cannot see beyond where the car is because HE DOES NOT KNOW.

If he uses "left" instead, it would show his mind is on where the car is, on what happened there. But he can move on and may know what happened to Heather.

Buckley said...

the discussion between your personalities

???

Sus said...

Not you, Buckley. When she answers herself as another Anon.

Buckley said...

So when she called her friend saying she was going to the dock to meet Sidney, her dad...what? Had a gun to her head and was framing a guy he supposedly didn't know about? Sidney admitted he called her. Were those post 3 am calls to Sidney's

And how did his 30 days after letter foreshadow her death? We have evidence thst she was killed in water? If she was killed at the dock, why the need to "place" the car there by her Dad? She got there some other way, he killed her there and then went to get her car to draw attention to the place he killed her?

Jen Ow said...

Thank you!

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Buckley said...

OK, I HONESTLY tried it.

At :38 seconds in, my friend got exasperated that we were having yet another conversation about SM, cut me off and said the following:

“Heather, sweetie, you know I love you, but you are crazy if you think this jerk isn’t going to screw you and then go right back to his controlling wife. Do not call him back. Let him go- you’ve come so far. Plus, you know if you call him again his fat, evil, ugly wife is going to follow through on her threat and literally kill you. So, please promise me you won’t call him back.

Me: Mmm Hmm

Her: I don’t believe you.

Me: really, really I will never ever call him again.

Her: Good, so how was your date with BB?

It was pretty good. He taught me to drive a stick.

Cool! You think you’ll see him again?

I don’t know. It’d be kinda nice to have a boyfriend I could take home to Dad.

That’s great! How is your dad? He’s such a nice guy.

Whatever. I can’t think about that right now. I gotta go call S- er somebody. Cell phone’s about to die.

Heather! Do. Not. Call. Him!

I know I know.

I’ll talk to you tomorrow, hun.

Okay.

1:55

Buckley said...

Sorry, Peter. I'll be good :)

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S + K Mum said...

Personally, I wouldn't trust Tammy one bit. She reminds me of someone I had dealings with (nothing as serious) and this person showed absolutely no regard, remorse or empathy towards a family with children. Neither did this person respect authority. I see those traits in Tammy.

S + K Mum said...

This person was a woman, mother and grandmother btw. Life dealt her some tough blows and took it's toll on her. Not that I have sympathy for her unfortunately - her behaviour was viscious and inexcusable.

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S + K Mum said...

No, I said I wouldn't trust her one bit. Where did I say in my comment she was a murderer Jason?
Not reading properly - that is an example of stupidity. Carry on........

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elf said...

Jason you say that we don't have open dialogue here but how can people have an open dialogue with you when your foul mouth is running? Sure everyone has an opinion but calling other people stupid for not sharing your opinion is narrow minded. Tammy and Sid had not only motive they had opportunity to commit this crime.
If you want to be heard here, put forth a rational argument, back it up with facts and statements, not derogatory statements directed towards other posters who believe differently and have based their opinions on evidence thus far available.

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S + K Mum said...

Sorry Peter!