Sunday, April 19, 2015

ISIS Entire Video of Murder


The Koran teaches subjugation of "non believers" including the specific command to behead Jews and Christians, stone homosexuals, and physically assault women who do not "obey" their husbands.  In the past two weeks alone, we have seen hundreds killed, group rapes of captives, a pregnant 9 year old child, destroyed artifacts and churches, and various attempts to keep "anti-terrorist" reports muted by calling them "racist" or "islamophobic."

Iran's 1015 "Military Day" showing "Death To Israel; Death to America" 


These matters are frightening and it is not a few "psychopaths" as our government has said.  It is across the globe, well organized, and explicitly done according to the Koran's mandates as these "orthodox" adherents to their religion remain supported by Iran and other regimes, even as they fight each other for control.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29) 

Islamic scholars say "People of the Book" are the Jews.  

I have posted the video in its entirety.  I believe Americans should see it, but you are free not to by clicking off this post.  It is very upsetting and quite sobering to see what we read daily from accounts all over the world with the common denominator of Islam's teaching of conquest by jihad.  The violence begins at the end of the video; the last 2 minutes.  The message comes first, and it is distinct.  


Please be aware of the graphic nature of this video before hitting 'play.'.





 If this is "Islamophobia" there is nothing irrational about the fear.


The calls for "moderate Muslims" to condemn these things remains unanswered for to do so would be to condemn the Koran.

When we fought Nazism, we learned "Mein Kampf."

In order to understand Islamic terror across the globe, we must understand the Koran.  Words reveal us.  Even as Nazi party members practiced deception so the Koran teaches that "believers" do not "owe" the truth to "unbelievers."

As one Islamic group fights another, we learn that this "diversity" is contrary to our freedom of speech.

The video and pictures are graphic, with some websites showing the released photos of ISIS playing "soccer" with severed heads, mocking the victims saying "Look at our World Cup" and "our ball is made of skin", and other offensive brutish statements.

If Islam is to be permitted in the United States, there must be a Muslim wide stance against the violence, from A to Z, including everything from murder to assaulting women, and everything in between.

Tolerance is not extended to violence.  That which is "diverse" is not an improvement when it resorts to violence.



From Daily Mail:

Slaughter on the beach: ISIS behead and shoot Ethiopian Christians in sickening new propaganda video 

  • Video seems to show militants in Libya holding one group of at least 16 captive on a beach and 12 others in a desert
  • Before the killings a masked fighter in black brandishes a pistol as he vows to kill Christians if they do not convert 
  • Ethiopia unable to confirm its citizens were killed by militants in the footage but condemned the 'atrocious act'
  • It comes two months after 21 Egyptian Christians were beheaded by extremists in a similar video from Libya
A shocking new video appearing to show at least 30 Christians being beheaded and shot by ISIS has been released.

The 29-minute video, titled 'Until It Came To Them - Clear Evidence', shows dozens of militants holding two separate groups captive in Libya.
At least 16 men, described by Islamic State as the 'followers of the cross from the enemy Ethiopian Church', are lined up in a desert area while 12 others are filmed being forced to walk down a beach. 
Ethiopia was unable to confirm its citizens were killed in the footage but condemned the 'atrocious act', a government official said.
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Thirty Ethiopian Christians appear to have been beheaded and shot by ISIS in a sickening new propaganda video. Above, at least 16 men are marched down a beach in Libya by militants before they are killed
Thirty Ethiopian Christians appear to have been beheaded and shot by ISIS in a sickening new propaganda video. Above, at least 16 men are marched down a beach in Libya by militants before they are killed
The video shows the men at the coast wearing Guantanamo-style orange jumpsuits and being held at the neck by fighters in combats with balaclavas covering their faces. The victims inland are forced to kneel as militants dressed in combats and green masks stand behind them holding rifles.
It starts with what it called a 'history of Christian-Muslim relations', which includes scenes of militants destroying churches, graves and icons.
A masked fighter in black then brandishes a pistol as he vows to kill Christians if they do not convert. 
In an apparent reference to Ethiopia's attacks on neighbouring Somalia, whose population is almost entirely Muslim, he says: 'Muslim blood shed under the hands of your religions is not cheap. To the nation of the cross we are now back again.'
The footage, which was released on websites and social media accounts officially linked to ISIS, also cuts to Christians in Syria explaining how they were given the choice of converting to Islam or paying a 'special tax'.
At the end it switches between the two sets of captives - thought to be mainly migrant workers - with one group shot dead at point-blank range and the others beheaded on the beach. The video has not yet been verified.

The men - wearing Guantanamo-style orange jumpsuits - are held at the neck and forced to kneel by fighters in combats with balaclavas covering their faces
The men, thought to be migrant works, are described by Islamic State in the video as the 'followers of the cross from the enemy Ethiopian Church'
The men, thought to be migrant works, are described by Islamic State in the video as the 'followers of the cross from the enemy Ethiopian Church'
The footage also shows around 12 men being shot in a desert area, believed to be in the south of the country, by militants wearing green balaclavas and combats
The footage also shows around 12 men being shot in a desert area, believed to be in the south of the country, by militants wearing green balaclavas and combats
A masked fighter in black (right) brandishing a pistol vows to kill Christians if they do not convert, saying: 'Muslim blood shed under the hands of your religions is not cheap. To the nation of the cross we are now back again'
A masked fighter in black (right) brandishing a pistol vows to kill Christians if they do not convert, saying: 'Muslim blood shed under the hands of your religions is not cheap. To the nation of the cross we are now back again'

The victims are forced to kneel in front of the militants (above) before being shot at point-blank range simultaneously. The video bore the official logo of the IS media arm Al-Furqan and resembled previous footage released by the extremist group
The militant in black - who is completely covered apart from his eyes - remains flanked by two people holding guns throughout the clip
The militant in black - who is completely covered apart from his eyes - remains flanked by two people holding guns throughout the clip

CHRISTIANITY IN ETHIOPIA 

Ethiopia is a predominantly Christian country with the religion being introduced in the country the 4th century, making it one of the oldest Christian states in the world.
The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church is one of the oldest organized Christian bodies in the world, and more than 40 per cent of the population are members of the church.
Around 20 per cent of the population follow other branches of Christianity, a majority being Protestant.  
Islam was not introduced in the country for another 300 years, and now about one third of Ethiopians identify as Muslim.
Initial reports did not make clear who the captives were or when they were captured. 
The video bore the official logo of the IS media arm Al-Furqan and resembled previous footage released by the extremist group.
Redwan Hussein, an Ethiopian government spokesman, said: 'We have seen the video but our embassy in Cairo has not been able to confirm that the victims are Ethiopian nationals. Nonetheless, the Ethiopian government condemns the atrocious act.'
He added that Ethiopia, which does not have an embassy in Libya, would help repatriate Ethiopians if they wanted to leave. Libyan officials were not immediately available for comment.
It comes just two months after IS militants filmed themselves beheading 21 captured Egyptian Christians on a similar beach, which immediately drew Egyptian airstrikes on the group's suspected positions in Libya.
Whether Ethiopia would - or could - respond with similar military force remains unclear.
Islamic State has been able to gain a foothold amid chaos in Libya, where two governments backed by rival alliances of militias are battling each other as well as extremist groups.
The group is also advancing in Iraq, where it has captured three villages near the city of Ramadi. 
It comes just two months after the extremist group in Libya beheaded 21 captured Egyptian Christians on a beach (above)
It comes just two months after the extremist group in Libya beheaded 21 captured Egyptian Christians on a beach (above)
 Islamic State fighters, pictured carrying flags and dressed in black, have been able to gain a foothold amid the chaos in Libya
 Islamic State fighters, pictured carrying flags and dressed in black, have been able to gain a foothold amid the chaos in Libya
More than 90,000 people have fled the ISIS's advance in Anbar, a United Nations humanitarian agency said earlier this morning.
The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in a statement that civilians are fleeing Ramadi as well as the three nearby villages captured by the IS group a few days ago. 
Lise Grande, the UN humanitarian coordinator for Iraq, said: 'Our top priority is delivering life-saving assistance to people who are fleeing - food, water and shelter are highest on the list of priorities.'
Iraqi officials in Anbar have described Ramadi as a ghost town, with empty streets and closed shops.
Iraqi troops backed by Shiite militias and U.S.-led airstrikes managed to dislodge ISIS, which controls large parts of Iraq and Syria and wants to redraw the map of the Middle East, from the northern city of Tikrit earlier this month.
But the troops have struggled against the militants in Anbar, which saw some of the heaviest fighting of the eight-year U.S. military intervention that ended in 2011.



58 comments:

tania cadogan said...

NO muslim will speak out against the atrocities performed in the name of islam for, as you point out, to do so would be to go against the word of their god and the koran.

Western governments will not admit that is what islam is and what islam demands for fear of not only being called racist (though any race can be any religion) but for fear of being branded religious discriminators, xenophobes or any number of other names.

To admit the west is at war with a warmongering religion would result in world war 3 breaking out with the world fighting islam.
It would cause panic in the west due to the high numbers of muslims in their countries, non of whom could be trusted and all of whom would be willing to die as a martyr if it meant they were guaranteed paradise.

How can you fight an army that wants to die?
How can you negotiate with an army that will kill you as soon as look at you?

How do you deal with a religion that allows and advocates paedophilia?

How do you deal with the female victims of a religion when they accept it as the norm and to be expected?

Putting it bluntly should war come to pass, then it will be seen hat every muslim of any age is to be seen as a danger, a terrorist, someone who will kill you given the chance.

The only solution would be mass internment for life preferrably in a country which can be totally isolated from the rest of the world, mass deportations to their preferred islamic country and again total isolation from the rest of the world, or mass slaughter (which they will happily endure as they believe it will mean paradise)

Another option, unthinkable as it may seem is simply drop bombs of every isis village town and city and wipe it out that way.

What about the civilans some will say, what about the children?

Therein lies the problem, the issue no one will admit to.

The children currently in those places have been exposed to the true islam, they are being raised to be terrorists, they are shown how to maim, murder, rape and abuse.
To them it is normal and in many cases coming out, they are doing the killing.

The children of today are tommorow's murderers and rapists.

We saw this with polpot where children denounced their own parents, we saw this with hitler, we ignore it at our peril.

Anyone who went over there has to be presumed to be a terrorist and ready and willing to commit an atrocity and, if needs be die for it.

We ignore it at our peril,our leaders ignore it at their peril.

As an aside and ghoulish as it may seem, The man who behaded the victim from the back of the neck was experienced possibly a butcher or surgeon (or he has had a lot of practice)
It was done very fast with a very sharp knife and would have caused instant paralysis. He knew where to cut as the spine is incredibly hard to cut through along with the relevant muscles and tendons.
It was a kinder death than via the front

Peter Hyatt said...

Tania,

I read www.jihadwatch.org each day so it is, each day, I learn of how many were murdered.

It is not only every day, but often updates several times per day.

What frightens me, among many fears (hence, my islamobhobia), is why we are not hearing from:

American Women's Rights movements and
Gay Rights Movements.

In a horrible twist of irony, the City of San Francisco council called Robert Spencer's bus ads as "hate speech" against Islam.

The very week they voted to condemn him, a gay man was murdered.

I listened to two of his speeches lately and am interested in your views of his speeches (two recent ones on video at the website) as well as the opinions of other readers here.

I do not share his religious beliefs, but respect his stance, and more so, his call for free speech and the understanding of why these murders are taking place.

Readers here, more than anywhere else, have a unique perspective and I would enjoy the feedback.

I'll get the URLs

I also appreciate the UK updates you give us. I saw a video recently that said, "Is this England?" where it showed, basically, an entire town of Muslims with no connection to British tradition or culture.

Last time I checked, I did not see Brits (or Americans) trying to get into Somalia, for example, and then crying "Racism!" or "Check your Somali privilege and serve me pizza!"

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Here it is.

I would like to hear readers' comments on this. Perhaps I should put it in its own post:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/video-robert-spencer-on-hillary-clintons-war-against-free-speech

tania cadogan said...

Sadly in the UK there are areas within towns and cities where it is basically no go for non muslims.

There are areas patrolled by muslim men who will dish out punishment if someone wears the wrong clothing or behaves in a manner not allowed in islam.
Then we have the mass grooming and child rapes in northern towns where muslim males groom then rape, abuse and prostitute non muslim girls (invariably white girls)
The media will not claim this is racist or based on religion (after all everyone knows a good muslim girl will dress and behave modestly whilst white girls are sluts )

Pointing out anything that will paint islam in a negative manner is stamped on not just by the MSM but also local government, the government and then the ever popular community leaders.

WE have a situation now where we are willingly banning certain things and enforcing other things so that muslims are not offended.

This means halal meat in schools and many businesses, changing the name of christian festivals, cancelling christian celebrations whilst enforcing muslim ones, telling locals they can't have a pig ornament in their window as it might offend a muslim, trying to get peppa pig removed for the same reason.

There may be muslims out there who say hang on this isn't right, they are however in a tiny majority.

If they were told you have to do this or say that they will.

Police know who the incitors are, the imans and leaders who are promoting jihad , demanding jihad and yet the police do nothing or are not allowed to do anything.

We see them shouting slogans and demanding blood at demonstrations, making threats and defiling flags and poppies yet nothing is done, yet when a non muslim does the same thing it is jail time.

All the time they demand and take and we give and lie down.
There will come a point when we Brits will say enough and i will get messy>

We have rampant illegal immigration, we have no idea who is coming in , though we have finally started to check who leaves, we have criminals unable to be deported due to human rights.
They rape or murder but we can't kick them out as they could face punishment or shame in their home country.

Why is it they demand asylum because things are so bad in their own country with all the laws and restrictions and then promptly try to introduce the eact same thing here?

If the west is so bad why don't they choose an islamic country?

tania cadogan said...

I listened to his talk and i found it fascinating and humorous.

He says it as it is, he states the valid points (which i have posted as my own previous comments)

I don't know why he was banned from the UK since he makes a valid point, we ban him yet allow in muslim apologists and muslim fomentors

The west refuses to admit islam is a problem, the same way they refused to see hitler and nazism as a problem and we all know how that panned out.

This will end up a religious world war the world's religions against islam>

Islam will have to be wiped out otherwise like a weed it will grow back, we saw it with the crusades and we are seeing it now.

There will never be peace between islam and the rest of the world as islam is compelled to erase every other religion from the world at the point of a sword and, once done, will then turn on itself to erase those who belief in a slightly different version of islam.

I do wonder if obama is muslim and if he is proven to be so, what will happen to all the laws etc he enacted and enabled?
Would he be prosecuted as a traitor?

Would clinton be prosecuted as a traitor given her lies about benghazi?

Will laws be enacted that ban muslims from important role in office given what the koran orders its believers to do?

Peter Hyatt said...

http://news.yahoo.com/husband-sets-wife-fire-pakistan-honour-killing-100532923.html;_ylt=AwrC0CMjrTNV7ysApAzQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByMHZ0NG9yBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM3BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

Peter Hyatt said...

The entire 29 minute video is now up.

27 minutes of propaganda, with the final two minutes of bloodshed.

Katprint said...

Saying that "no muslim will speak out against the attrocities performed in the name of islam" by ISIS or Al-Queda or other terrorists is simply untrue. For example, according to Vatican Radio http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/07/25/worlds_muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_iraqi_christians/1103410
"The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.

In a statement, he officially denounced the "forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a "crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they "have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”

A long list of similar condemnations by various muslim leaders and muslim groups can be found here: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

The vast majority of muslims are not violent terrorists, same as the vast majority of christians are not defined by the Spanish Inquisition or the protestant/catholic conflict in Northern Ireland or the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda or the Army of God abortion clinic bombers in the U.S.

tania cadogan said...

Remember Katprint, muslims are allowed to lie to we infidels, they cannot lie to other muslims though.

The koran is what it is.
it is not, it has never been and ever will be a peaceful religion, a tolerant religion.

It is a religion that converts at the point of a sword and those who won't convert and to be killed.

It is a religion based on paedophilia where it is allowed to marry girls as young as 9 or even younger as their prophet did.
It allows for and encourages the physical and sexual abuse of women and children.
It allows for slavery.
No one is allowed to leave the religion, to do so is death.
It allows for and encourages stoning, amputation and crucifixion.

If the truth were made public and governments realised it then there would be panic and war.

The government instead will not accept the truth so it minimises, denies, appeases and acedes to every muslim demand in the belief by doing so they will stop doing what they are doing, not only to the west and non muslims, but also to other muslims.

Muslims are relying on us to be passive and do all the work for them.

It is nazism all over again except this time it is not an aryan race that will rule, it will be muslims, and even then only only from a certain sect.

We see in the media that muslims are attacking us and we deserve it because we are killing civilians and raping women and children, when it is clear that most of the deaths and rapes and other atrocities are perpetuated by muslims on muslims.

Blowing up a mosque isnt hurting the west, it hurts muslims who belong to a different sect.

Anonymous said...

I don't think these videos are real. the other beheading videos with the editing hiding the death part were fake so these are likely fake too.

Anonymous said...

Yes, thank you!

Apple said...

Katprint,
I think you would find the Islam think tank video peter posted a couple months ago interesting.

Anonymous said...

The White House has said these are real. Not all of anything is evil. But the evil part should not be ignored because if might offend. And this goes for all religions and races. It has become politically incorrect to speak out about evil. This is a problem.

Anonymous said...

The world greatly underestimates the threat ISIS presents. When they chased those tens of thousands of Astrozorians up that mountain the world should have crushed ISIS at that point! Same thing hapoened with the Nazis--people just looked the other way till it was too late.

Anonymous said...

Islam will have to be wiped out

Interesting. But how can we accomplish this?

Dee said...

I too keep an eye on what is posted at jihad watch. This speech by Robert Spencer was excellent.

How much will have to happen before people will fight back? We (Americans) have to put our foot down now about the eroding of our rights. We are losing freedom of speech. Opinions are now labeled as hate speech.

Hobs- what is happening in the UK is scary. Much the same is happening in Paris. There are areas in Paris that non Muslims don't enter and they are ruled by Sharia law. People say it doesn't happen, it's nonsense but people who live in Paris attest to it's accuracy. Political correctness run amuck. Scary stuff.

It used to be that when you immigrated you pledged allegiance to that country, you learned the language, assimilated. If you didn't adopt the customs and heritage of your new home you at least tolerated it as part of the privilege of living there. No more.



Peter Hyatt said...

How to wipe out Islam?

Without going too far into personal belief, there are two schools of thought predominant today:

1. Reformation of Islam
2. Civil War in Europe

1. Reformation of Islam would mean that Muslims around the world would have to agree that the Koran is not divinely inspired and that the passages that call for:

a. Violence in spreading Islam
b. Violence against women
c. Violence against homosexuals
d. Violence against those who leave Islam
e. Extortion against those who resist Islam

must all be dealt with, in Mosque after Mosque, with its young people taught that this is no longer held as truth.

2. Civil War

This is where Europe eventually comes into armed conflict.

They established their culture and invited refugees from Muslim lands to immigrate, but in large numbers, the Muslims have not integrated into European culture, instead, seeking to establish, by colonialism, Islamic Europe.

The two cultures are incompatible.

One culture, "western" or "Judeo-Christian", is contrary to the culture of Islam, as seen in human rights, agricultural advances, arts and literature, etc.

The other culture is a static or "non advancing" culture, which is why you do not find many Muslim museums, developments within architecture or even Muslim food programs for the hungry. It is, as prescribed in the Koran, a political - militaristic religion.

Robert Spencer recently said he sees civil war coming to Europe over Islam.

Islam has not been shy about its desire to conquer Europe.

When a famous Islamic leader goes to Europe to discuss Islamic terror, he speaks to the Europeans, not to the Muslims. This is a way of Islamic deception, which is accepted and taught from the Koran.

My personal hope is different, but I think it will come down to armed conflict in Europe.

Islam is a religion of conquest, not persuasion and eventually, even the intelligence will grow weary of rapes, for example, as it is taught in the Koran and in the life of Mohammad.

All the "hate crimes" and "hate speech" is being used against Europe and sooner or later, its leaders who have daughters, will say, "enough diversity!" and the inevitable backlash will come.

History will repeat itself and each day, in the name of Islam, hundreds die around the world.

What do you think?

Will Muslims say the Koran is wrong?

Or, will it come down to violence?

I am intersted in what readers say.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
The White House has said these are real. Not all of anything is evil. But the evil part should not be ignored because if might offend. And this goes for all religions and races. It has become politically incorrect to speak out about evil. This is a problem.
April 19, 2015 at 10:12 PM

If it is not real, what's the "evil part"?

This is an example of attempting to spread ignorance. The White House did not say it was not real, but condemned it. What the White House has previously said is that the Islamic violence is not Islamic and when they beheaded Christians for being Christians, Obama said it was not because of their religion.

The ultimate in propaganda!

Peter

Dee said...

"Will Muslims say the Koran is wrong?"

No, not even the so called "Moderate Muslims". To do so would be to disavow their "religion".

Or, will it come down to violence?

Yes, unless there is radical change which I don't think is likely, I think it is inevitable. I agree with Spencer about the likely-hood of it coming down to civil war in Europe.

Peter Hyatt said...

Dee,

I know it is wishful thinking on my part and not likely to happen.

This is why "moderate muslims" are quiet. They are not going to take a stand against the Koran.

The secular muslims are, perhaps, the only hope. They are Muslim in name only, but they also assimilate which makes them targets of the religious muslims.

In fact, some jihadists list them first, or second to Jews, on the list of "enemies of Islam" marked for death.

We must also hope that whoever wins the White House will stop this importation of Islam, including some of the things that are not given press, such as Islamists being paid to go to our prisons and teach the Koran, or the military turning against people of faith.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Oh, yes. I agree Peter. Europe has been in need of a serious purification for some time now. Thank you!!!

tania cadogan said...

Hi Peter, as an out and proud atheist, no religion is ever going to say oops we were wrong about that.
Every religion believes its holy book is the word of whichever god or gods they believe in, to say their holy book is wrong is like calling their god or gods liars.

Take the bible, it is full of contradictions in both the old and new testament yet they are overlooked, ignored or explained away.
No one is going to say my god(s) made a mistake and didn't mean this or that when they said it.
It was a misspeak.

Since there is no way in heck any religion is going to say, ok this book was written by men to suit their own needs, wants and desires and then mistranslated by others with their own interests at heart and interpreted by yet more with their own wants and desires to the fore.

The koran is open to interpretations and imams have gone to war because they interpet a verse one way and someone else intrprets the same verse a different.
How can you win a theological debate with them when they can't even agree amongst themselves what was said by whom, when and what was really meant?

The only logical option will be war, much as it was with WWll.
Then the intent was to wipe nazism and its hatred of others and its idealistic beliefs from the face of the earth.

The only difference today is the uniform, the beliefs are still the same, a chosen few will rule the world according to their own interpretation of religion and religious law.

This truely will be a world war since it will be islam against the rest of the world.
No country will be safe, even if it declares itself neutral, all that means is they will be easily overrun and wiped out.
Islam does not allow for neutrality, it does not allow for any belief in any other god, or even the same god but a different sect.
For now they will accept a levy, that will end should they win.
Why tolerate a non believer, even if they pay when their own beliefs tell them to eradicate the infidel.

Should they win, the war is not over.
Next will be muslim against muslim as they fight over which is the right version of islam.
Sunni versus shia and then all the sub-sects.
In the end there will be but a handful of people assuming of course that nuclear war hasn't wiped out everything in an al or nothing strike.

If anything, nuclear war is now a greater threat than the cold war.
Should muslims get a nuclear bomb they will use it, probably on Israel.

Some may say no they won't because of the consequences.

Those people are delusional.
They presume that muslims don't want to die (something the rest of the world believes, surrender and submission rather than die)

Muslims don't fear death, they welcome it as they get to paradise and the 72 virgins (i do still wonder about the female martyrs, do they get 72 male virgins?
72 female virgins?
72 whatever comes to hand?
I will have to poke some muslims with a pointy stick and find out)

You cannot negotiate with someone who wants to die or, at least, doesn't care if they die.
You cannot negotiate with someone who demands you become one of them or die.
You have nothing to offer them that will be worth more than their book and their belief.

tania cadogan said...

I wonder what would happen if their god turned up and said i am allah or their prophet turned up and said i am mohammed.
Would they believe him or take him out somewhere and do painfully interesting things to them till they die?

I wonder how many muslims today would, when asked, hand over their young daughters to a 30 yr old man or older because he wants to rape them and then physically and emotionally abuse them for the rest of their short lives, i mean marry them?

Doing nothing is no n option, blaming the west for the current state of the middle east is just someone stirring the pot.
The middle east has been at war with itself for centuries, village against village, tribe against tribe, muslim believing one thing against muslims believing something else.

Nothing has changed or will change, it is who they are and always will be.
There may be those who don't wish to fight, who want a peaceful life, however, if told to by their imam and pointed to the relevant bit in the koran, they will join in, They have to for it is written, to not do so would be to go against their god.

Do they fear us more on earth and this life which is short or do they fear their god more and eternal damnation or the chance of eternal paradise?

Would you willingly die for your god?

They would

Henry said...

Peter,

There is no way Muslims will renounce Islam. I dont think it'll come to Civil War, because as ISIS begins to infect Europe and destabilize large parts of the world, the world's military powers will either need to rise up to crush them or I am not sure what will happen. Basically, they are being allowed to advance unimpeded. What was needed was Special Forces boots on the ground but unfortunately, at this point, the destabilization and refugee crises and their terror and chaos generating machine is already out of control. It might end up that a country will decide to carpet bomb ISIS. They are a bad disease that has matastized beyond the point of anything but large scale military cooperation between Western powers getting involved but noone wants to get their hands dirty.

ima.grandma said...

An ISIS connected tragedy (Oklahoma beheading) hit close to home last September. The building is located less than a mile from me. I remember the sirens. The Obama administration played a similar semantics game denying a religious motive and classifying the atrocity as workplace violence.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/29/defining-terror-down-part-ii-oklahoma-city-beheading-now-workplace-violence/

ima.grandma said...

FYI: The journalist was wrong in listing the location as Oklahoma City. It occurred in Moore, OK.

Anonymous said...

I dont think it'll come to Civil War, because ...the world's military powers will either need to rise up to crush them

Well that's a relief!

Dee said...

This is an interesting discussion Peter. You should make it it's own post. Jmo, take it or leave it :)

I have mixed feelings about some areas, such as the "moderate" leaders in Eqypt and Jordan. Also about the Kurds who are fighting the IS. The Peshmerga are also giving refuge to Christians and Yazidis displaced by the fighting.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and when and how, exactly, has bho issued a reliable denial of his islam faith ?
People, I don't think it has happened, nor will it.

This country has an islam problem.
There are already areas that are strictly muslim, allowed to govern themselves.
Our borders remain open, correct?
Any idea how many muslims in our federal government?
And, as for military intervention,
bho has been and still is reducing our military. What kinds of forces do we have left?
And exactly what countries respect our leader, and would continue to do so in an emergency?

We are in what could be a WW3 mess, seems to me.

Sara said...

Government corruption is at the heart of the problem. The governments have permitted shariah law to take over certain towns or areas. It is BEYOND NAIVE to think this has occurred because some official fears being called racist, or islamophobic. It's called PAYOFFS people. Money has changed hands. Please do some critical thinking. This has been PERMITTED to happen. Study history folks. How is it that alcohol flowed liberally during prohibition? Payoffs. How do imported drugs get into people's neighborhoods and veins? Payoffs. How are 60 year old white men marrying children in FLDS Utah? Payoffs.
Tough on Crime has done nothing to help stop this. It's time to be Tough on Corruption, tough on city, county, state officials, tough on corrupt LEO's, tough on school officials.

Anonymous said...


And, wouldn't you know, bho and clinton both espouse BIG government.

Corruption is the same as lying, yes?

Henry said...

As truth detectors, I think we should be careful about believing ISIS's explanation for their terror regime. They say "it is Islam". I dont believe that. ISIS is collective psycopathy. Would you ask a serial killer "why do you do what you do?" and expect an honest answer? The Son of Sam said it was the neighbor's dog telling him to kill. That turned out to be a lie. How about a serial killer who was trying to recruit others to help him? Do you think they might twist or distort anything to get others to join them? ISIS does not believe in any religion. Look at the behavior. How you trust what they say? Why would you believe them about anything? I dont believe they care about Islam. These people are sick deviants. Jihadi John is a profoundly sadistic psychopath (interviews with some of his previous captives has made this clear). He is not interested in Islam. He is interested in causing pain and death. It is the same with the rest of ISIS leadership.

Henry said...

And please keep in mind, MOST of ISIS's victims are Muslim.
I believe ISIS is collective paychopathy (yes they use their fake Islam agends to recruit mentally unbalanced people. But ISIS's leadership is collective psychopathy. Their "explanations" for their deeply sick behavior are not to be trusted in my opinion.

tania cadogan said...

Hi Henry.

People tell you what they mean with their words.
This is a statement analysis site and everything can and will be analysed, even our posts, including Peter's

They say "it is Islam". I dont believe that.

It is islam as written in the koran, it is islam in its purest form.
They are doing exactly what the koran tells them to do which is convert everyone to islam and kill the infidels.
it also tells them how to treat women, it permits, nay advocates paedophilia.
it has punishments up to and including death for a whole range of crimes even to not wearing the right clothing or being outside without a male relative if you are female.
Trying to leave islam is punishable by death, apostasy is not allowed.

If you do not believe that daesh is islam, what do you believe they are?

Granted there are likely psychopaths and sociopaths in their midst, the same as in any country.
there they can carry out all their secret desires and fetishes with no fear of punishment because it allowed by the koran>

Padophile?
Yep fine you can 'marry' a 9 yr old girl, you can 'marry several young girls all with the blessing of their god.

Like to kill people, sure here you go a gun and a knife, go kill those people because they worship in a different way or are from a different country.

Like the idea of BDSM and slavery?
yep no problem the slave markets open in the morning, take your pick and if one dies, oh well you can claim they committed some crime such as flashing an eyebrow or worse a bare hand or ankle.

Like the idea of slow torture?
We have captive fighters who will be killed anyway so go have some fun, the koran says it is fine.

Daesh is telling you what it is by deed and word.
They are only doing what they see and believe in the koran.

There will be some who are using religion to get their thrills, the same with any religion in the past, the present and the future.

Don't buy into the fallacy that daesh is not terrorism from religion, rather that it is simply terrorism.

There are extremists in every religion, even peaceful ones.
In this case the extremists are not extremists, they are simply following the words and laws of their god.

Governments don't want us to know this since they know there would be civil war as all the non muslims will see every muslim as a threat (warranted or not)and there would be riots and all out battles.
They know that by letting muslims into the country they have condoned their behavior, by allowing them to have their own laws and courts accountable to no one, they have allowed the embedding of a hostile group.
The fallout would be horrendous, political heads would roll and that may not be figuratively speaking.

The public would rise up and demand resignations from office, demand deportations or internment.
Should it turn out that obama is a muslim there will be hell to pay.
Laws would be changed to ensure that no muslim could ever be president, laws brought in by him could be revoked and he could perhaps even face treason charges as could several other politicians.

it will get bloody and messy.

Just because you don't believe something, doesn't make it true.

Daesh have old the world who it is and what it believes in, we ignore it at our peril

Anonymous said...


and we are in peril....

Henry said...

Tania,

Thank you for your thought-provoking response. First, let me just say, I am not presenting a politically correct idea that Islam should be "tolerated" or that it is by nature a "peaceful" religion. My impression, however, is that we are looking at a group of extreme deviants propelled by something other than Islam. I have theories about how this may have happened. I won't go too deeply into them, suffice to say I think some of the dictatorships, harsh assaults on human rights, and prevalent torture within these dictatorships may have affected generations by creating disturbed people, parents, etc. Jihadi John, for example is a very psychologically sick individual. Islam did not cause this. My impression is that many participants within ISIS are similar to Jihadi John as ISIS shows them doing similar atrocities with similar coldness and inhumanity and total lack of empathy towards their victims.

Islam, in my opinion, is a very flawed religion and Peter's and other's insights into it are sound. However, ISIS does not follow Islamic dictates.

You wrote

"It is islam as written in the koran, it is islam in its purest form.
They are doing exactly what the koran tells them to do which is convert everyone to islam and kill the infidels."

ISIS has frequently forced people to "convert", and then, after they have converted, immediately killed them on the spot. Therefore, they cannot claim to be abiding by that (albeit very disturbing) Islamic rule that one must convert or be killed. Their rule is actually far sicker than that. Their rule is "convert and then be killed". One is able to see within that an almost indescribable lust for killing. It is like they are telling their victims follow our orders NOT so "they won't be killed", but so they will be!. Also MOST of ISIS's murder victims are Muslim, but of a different sect, and therefore, most of their murderous actions are not backed up by Koran. This is not to downplay their hideous atrocities towards, Christians and any other group they cross. But it should make someone question whether they are obeying the Koran or merely acting out a profoundly disturbing desire to dominate, torture and destroy as many people as possible. I have often wondered who exactly they will have as citizens of their caliphate when they have killed most of them or driven massive numbers into refugee camps.

You wrote

"it also tells them how to treat women, it permits, nay advocates paedophilia.
it has punishments up to and including death for a whole range of crimes even to not wearing the right clothing or being outside without a male relative if you are female.
Trying to leave islam is punishable by death, apostasy is not allowed.

I agree with everything you have stated in the above section about the Koran, except ISIS does not treat women as dictated by the Koran. The Koran does not anywhere say to create large prisons for women where they will be repeatedly raped and then sold as sex slaves.

Additionally, the Koran does not advocate killing children! As ISIS feels free to do and has done.

Within the Koran, it is said that if a person kills one innocent individual, it is equivalent to killing the whole world. The astounding brutality of ISIS could not have emerged from a text that does display any respect for life.

I respect your ideas and opinions, I myself feel that something more disturbing is happening with ISIS, within the entity of ISIS than merely sticking to the basic tenets of Islam. I do not believe that a love for Islam is their motivation for their grotesque killing sprees. I know most people do believe that that is their motivation, however, their actions are far too debased and grotesque for me to believe it comes from anything other than collective psychopathy fueled by very disturbed individuals banding together and using whatever they can to distort or bend to their liking to get the recruits.

Anonymous said...


Henry,
You have your opinion.
I would want to know the Koran's meaning for "innocent".

I am inclined to agree with your last sentence. Yes they are psycopathy banded together, and yes, they are the extremes.
As was hitler. A total sicko who was allowed to almost exterminate an ancient people.

It would seem history is repeating.. If isis is to be stopped, their own are not doing it.

tania cadogan said...

Hi Henry

The exact quote is
“[005:032] On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land

You will note it refers to the Children of Israel which means the Jews not muslims.

You refer to muslims killing muslims not being in the koran.
It is.
“…Sa’id bin Jubayr said, "He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.'' In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah, (it would be as if he killed all mankind) "He who kills a believing soul intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.''
It all depennds on the definition of muslim.
Muslims of one sect will believe that those of aanother sect are not muslims.
We have seen this with daesh and them slaughtering and enslaving of Yazidis ( monotheists who believe in 1 god and have islam along with several other religions in their religion.)
Daesh consider them devil worshippers and must be killed.

Daesh are of the sunni sect and thus believe every other sect is not the true religion and are thus fair game.

regarding slavery
Only children of slaves or non-muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn muslim

The Quran includes multiple references to slaves, slave women, slave concubinage, and the freeing of slaves
In islamic law , ma malakat aymanukum is the term for slaves or captives of war. According to muslim theologians, it is lawful for male masters to have sexual relations with female captives and slaves,regardless of whether or not the slave woman gave her consent. The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout islamic history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Anonymous said...

Lectures on the dangers and evils of violent subjugation from a member of the British Empire- rich!

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous said...

Lectures on the dangers and evils of violent subjugation from a member of the British Empire- rich!


Ok, Which country do you come from?

sidewalk super said...


Maybe you should ask where that anon wants to go?

Thank you for your research....

Anonymous said...

I am not one calling for genocide and concentration camps. Your dollars have bought bullets that killed all over the world, your soldiers have raped OUR girls and wives. You have imposed your culture on Iraq, China, India, Africa and now whine that we don't assimilate to your standards. This Jihadi John, and his accomplices who speak with British accent, they are products of British schools and British culture. He learned from the masters of subjugation, not a Book.

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous said...

I am not one calling for genocide and concentration camps. Your dollars have bought bullets that killed all over the world, your soldiers have raped OUR girls and wives. You have imposed your culture on Iraq, China, India, Africa and now whine that we don't assimilate to your standards. This Jihadi John, and his accomplices who speak with British accent, they are products of British schools and British culture. He learned from the masters of subjugation, not a Book.


How convenient you omitting to mention that there has been ongoing war in the middle east for thousands of years, that muslims are blowing up other muslims, that muslims are raping other muslims.

You introduce us imposing our culture on others when that is exctly what deash and muslims are doing and have been doing for centuries.

You have still not told me which country you are from.

By not answering the question you indicate sensitivity as well as answering the question.

I like this game

Anonymous said...

"How convenient you omitting to mention that there has been ongoing war"

Yes, much war, that is my point to you, but it is so tricky that you then accuse me of ignoring violence. "The sun never sets" on a place your men have not shed blood. How nice for you it is all a game. For so many it is not.

Dee said...

Peter,
Interesting article from a woman who was raised in the Islamic faith. She calls for reform of Islam.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7104960?utm_hp_ref=tw

Anonymous said...

tania cadogan said

Another option, unthinkable as it may seem is simply drop bombs of every isis village town and city and wipe it out that way.

What about the civilans some will say, what about the children?

Therein lies the problem, the issue no one will admit to.

The children currently in those places have been exposed to the true islam, they are being raised to be terrorists, they are shown how to maim, murder, rape and abuse.
To them it is normal and in many cases coming out, they are doing the killing.

The children of today are tommorow's murderers and rapists.


Wow

Henry said...

Tania,

Thank you for finding the exact passages in the Koran. It was interesting and informative tp read them and also cast light on the war-like thinking within Islam.
I have read a lot about ISIS. They do resemble the Nazis, however they also resemble, I think more closely, the brutal mass slaughter of the Khmer Rouge whose founder was a former Buddhist monk. Truly mind-boggling to think about that.
In my opinion, Islam is deeply flawed. It is wrong!
I would say that if one looks at it politically, Islam would be a dictatorship. ISIS, I feel, is not replicating that dictatorship, if you will, within their caliphate. ISIS is creating a kind of hellish grotesque totalitarian regime. A dictatorship would say "if this citizen doesnt convert they will be killed", and this is what Koran suggests. ISIS is saying "they convert and then they will be killed" and this is a different political mentality which is a very sadistic totalitarian regime. What amazes me is whatever infected the minds of these individuals. I am willing to agree that their indoctrination into Islam did not help their mental disorders, rather fueled them, and I do I agree with you there. It is just my belief that it is something far more deviant than indoctrination with Islam. I almost think that if the world understood that (which I think they do but get confused) the world would realize they need to crush ISIS. They cannot wait for reforms within Islam, people to renounce Islam. This is a very different monster we see in ISIS than the villain we see Islam as being. Again, thank you for finding the passages in the Koran.

Anonymous said...


But Henry,
other than watching murder videos,
from your point of view,
how to distinguish isis in order to vaporize it,
from the islamic base which hides it, which is indeed a part of it?

Too many politically correct word "games" are promoting inaction while we are being desensitized and destroyed is what I think.

Anonymous said...

Something has to be done BY THIS COUNTRY to stop ISIS. For anyone to say the Koran based ISIS is a peaceful religion is brainwashed and Hitlerism all over again. We are clearly taught in the Christian religion and throughout the Holy Bible, "Thou shalt not kill". That right there is enough for anyone with an ounce of common sense to see that these people are murderers of the innocent using a religion that encourages murder by slaughter of those who do not share in their beliefs.

I was willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt in being able to resurrect this country from its' financial chaos caused by the former administration, or anyone else for that matter; my belief that no president could bring us out of the financial mess caused by the Bush Admn for many years to come; but for the Obama Admn to ignore the murders of Christians being committed by ISIS is an entirely different matter.

There is no forgiveness for this evil that is being driven by ISIS when we could do something to stop them, yet our administration looks the other way and takes no action? Unforgivable.

BTW Peter, maybe you ought to look into the origins of the use of the number 'three' that you are so fond of using in your statement analysis, having picked it up from your esteemed leader. Maybe you should add a number four. The number three has cultist origins and followers, is widely proclaimed by them to be some sort of religion, claiming to have authenticity from the Holy Bible and God as the number three being "His" perfect number. Do tell. To my knowledge (and I've read it all); there is nothing in the Holy Word that attests to the number three being God's perfect number. According to research, the number three is the perfect number of occultists. Thought you might like to know.

Peter Hyatt said...

Comments about "genocide" have been removed.

Defending one's own homeland is not "genocide."

Often, the moral high ground in war can be discerned by knowing who the aggressor was.

It is not "he who fires the first shot", but "he who required the first shot be made" is often the aggressor.

There are always exceptions but it is not always easy to get people to think past what they commonly accept without thought.

For example:

If a war is a defensive war, and is just, what does the need for a draft suggest?

If it is a just cause, would we need to take young men, against their will, under the threat of imprisonment, to fight?

When someone is defending their homeland and fighting for their own home and family, he will not likely need to be made to fight under the threat of imprisonment.

Something to add to our discussion?

What sayest others?

Eventually, I'll make a separate article for discussion of Free Speech versus Islam.

Peter

Anonymous said...

"Another option, unthinkable as it may seem is simply drop bombs of every isis village town and city and wipe it out that way."

That is not defending one's homeland.

Peter Hyatt said...

Henry,

Jihadwatch.org has a "101" on the Koran.

I also find them to be even handed in allowing Islamic scholars to do the interpretation rather than those classified as "extremists."

I am on their e-mail list.

Recently, I read what General Patton had to say about it, which I posted, but also Thomas Jefferson and the New England genius, Jonathan Edwards.

It is frightening because even though killers have attempted to use religion as an cover for conquest, and have done many horrific things in the name of religion, no religion exists today that is specifically designed to be military and political, other than Islam.

People openly spoke about, just a few years ago, "Why they hate us so much" after 9/11.

The debates were interesting but mostly were about oil prices and economics. Few people openly asked or talked about that the Koran actually mandated violence, for example, to spread it, or mandated assaulting women. Most people seemed to just look at Islamic nations as backwards, and "un-evolved" even after all these centuries.

Obama has, thankfully, brought the actual teachings of Islam to the forefront of discussion.

Few knew that the Koran:

*calls for me to physically beat women. Most people seemed to simply say that they were just being foolish, rather than being devout and obedient to the Koran.

*homosexuals would be executed.

*Extortion; the "tax" on "unbelievers"

*The teaching of "not owing the unbeliever truth", that is, that it is acceptable to lie to those who do not follow the Koran.

Obama has caused us to ask, "What does the Koran actually teach?" and people are reacting with surprise upon reading the portions of the Koran that are accurately being quoted by killers.

Obama is now facing possible war with Iran.

We see that ISIS is not "the bad guy" but actually just one group of well organized Koran followers fighting against other Koran followers, for control.

This is why Netanhayu said, "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy."

Obama does not seem to be able to refrain himself from propaganda techniques about Islam, which may be his background. We know he attended a racist church, but his Islamic sympathies have come out broadly since re-election.

Democrats are waiting to see if Hilary will disavow the Islamic teachings against women.

We now learn that her foundation has accepted money from Islamic nations that have brutalized women and these nations received favors while she was Secretary of State.

It gets dirtier than I ever imagined. As much as my life's work is studying and countering deception, I did not see this coming from Obama from his 2007 and 2008 speeches.

Peter

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous said...

"Another option, unthinkable as it may seem is simply drop bombs of every isis village town and city and wipe it out that way."

That is not defending one's homeland.


It is if they are bordering your country, it is if they have infiltrated your country as an immigrant legal or illegal or as a refugee.

What would you suggest be done to someone who will kill you without a second thought and has no fear of dying either during your murder or after?
How would you deal with someone who assaults and rapes your wife and daughters regardless of their age, who assaults and rapes all your female family members and then for the heck of it enslaves them and passes them around as gifts and rewards?

How would you reac if your sons were bound and blindfolded and then behaded, crucified or even burned alive simply because they are not a member of daesh rather they are christian, jewish or even of a different muslim sect?

Daesh is a threat to everyones homeland even if they are within their own borders.

In today's world with the internet they have followers in every country,men and women who are willing to commit some atrocity in order to wipe out the infidels and spread their own belief, not worried about if they die since they believe they are guaranteed paradise.

Daesh is right now in your homeland, sitting behind a monitor, drinking in all the bloodshed and gratuitous violence against people who are of a different faith or nationality. They are meeting in small groups planning terror attacks on innocent civilians even to planning suicide attacks.

You walk down the street thinking you are safe it is all somewhere else, another country, another state and then bang it is right on your doorstep.

The man you thought was nice and polite, who seemed harmless, was white even turns out to have converted and then decided today would be a nice day to go blow up a mall, a sports game, a school.

You read the news and learn a local family have run off to join daesh in syria.

Regardless of where you live, there will be daesh supporters biding their time, plotting and planning.

They are in your homeland, will you act to defend your homeland and your family or, will you do nothing and end up as a head on a spike as your wife and daughters are enslaved and raped and passed around as party favors?

Dee said...

From linked HuffPo article above, excerpt from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's speech in Berlin on 4/19/15...

It is nearly 10 years since a Danish newspaper published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, unleashing a storm of protest by Muslims around the world, and exposing a rift in Europe between true believers in free expression and those prepared to appease religious zealots. At around that time, I came to Berlin to defend the right to offend. Sadly, that right is less secure today than it was in 2005.

I am a free speech absolutist. Perhaps the biggest tragedy in the West today is the fact that freedom of speech is no longer a right that we can take for granted. It is now a privilege available only to those with armed security.

Those who want to silence the debate on Islam -- on what is explicitly done in the name of Muhammad, and according to the instructions of the Quran -- are not only threatened with physical assassination, but must also endure systematic attempts at character assassination.

But I will not be silenced by threats. How can I be silent? Has the threat from radical Islam diminished since 2005? Am I to say nothing when Ethiopian Christians are brutally beheaded by supporters of the so-called Islamic State in Libya? Am I to be silent as the mayhem caused by the jihadists drives thousands to risk their lives, desperately fleeing across the Mediterranean to Europe? I shall not be silent. And least of all in Germany.

Berlin is a city heavy with history. Yesterday, I walked along the Holocaust memorial. I walked past the memorial for 2,000 fallen Soviet soldiers. In Germany, totalitarian ideology is not something that belongs in the distant past or that brings catastrophe to people in distant countries. World War II, the disaster unleashed by Nazism, ended less than 70 years ago. And it is just over 25 years since another less violent, but equally dictatorial regime collapsed in this very city.

Germans understand, I hope, that a bad idea starts small, in the head of one individual, and it grows unnoticed by most people initially, much like a cancer. And when ignored in the early phases, when the believers are still small in number, it presents a much bigger problem when, like cancer, it threatens to destroy the entire body.

I believe that Islam unreformed is a totalitarian system that is at once religious and political. I respect religion and religious people. My rejection of the faith that my parents raised me in is not because I object to religion. My objection is to the political dimension of Islam. I object to Sharia Law. I object to jihad. I object to the precept of commanding right and forbidding wrong. I celebrate life before death, and therefore I object to Islam's excessive investment in life after death.

Dee said...

continued...

I object to the teachings and practice of Mohammad after his move to Medina in the year 622. I object to the passages in the Quran and the Hadith that order the believer to kill the infidels wherever you find them. And I object to the practices that can all too easily be justifed on the basis of these texts. I object to the segregation of men and women. I object to taking girls and women as slaves. I object to the mass rape of women. I object to child brides. I object to those who take gay men to the tallest building and throw them down, and -- if the victims are still alive -- stone them. And I object, as every German should, to the jihadists' revival of anti-Semitism.

I confess that I once believed that Muhammad's instructions and the commands in the Quran were there for me to submit to, not to question. I have learned to question. I have learned to doubt. It was a long and hard process. I stand here today before you to promote a message of optimism in my book, Heretic. I spell out in there that we need to distinguish between Islam, a system of ideas, and Muslims, our fellow human beings.

Islam as a system of ideas, unreformed, is not a religion of peace.

In the West, we apply counter terrorism measures to dissuade our Muslim citizens from sneaking out to what is really a state of evil. We explain their choices by speculating about their social conditions, their confused identities, their hardships at home. What we don't do is to attempt to persuade them to reject the ideology of IS, an ideology that is directly derived from Islamic scripture, Islamic teachings, and Islamic tradition.

Berlin is a city full of history and monuments. And the most recent monuments give us snippets of the story of the Soviet Union. Communism was not defeated because of the nuclear arms race and the proxy wars that the two super powers fought on other continents. Communism was defeated on the battlefield of ideas.

An elaborate set of tools was employed to help, to protect, and to encourage dissidents of the Eastern Bloc. As a dissident of Islam, I propose that we amend five key tenets of Islam:

The status of the Quran as the last and immutable word of God and the infallibility of Muhammad as the last divinely inspired messenger,

Islam's emphasis on the afterlife over the here-and-now,

The claim of Sharia to be a comprehensive system of law governing both the spiritual and temporal realms,

The obligation on ordinary Muslims to command right and forbid wrong,

The concept of jihad or holy war.

I understand that such a reformation of Islam will take generations to achieve. But we need to begin somewhere. We need to side with the dissidents.

For us to help them, we must above all defend free speech. And the right to free speech must include the right to offend. We must stop this indulgence in self censorship.

Anonymous said...

Criminals should be jailed or killed, regardless of the reason.

You proposed bombing cities and justify killing civilians and children in those bombing raids. In arguing against killing children, you accuse me of "doing nothing."

I am speaking out against killing children and getting deleted for it. I'll leave it at that.

Henry said...

Hi Peter,

I agree with you that Obama's longstanding politically correct propaganda about Islam is a part of the problem, actually a big part of it. It seems he was pacifying himself and the masses by not calling Islam out for the violence it advocates and I believe he did refer to it as a "peaceful" religion. It is not. And it does need to be identified for what it is--a religion that espouses violence, war, and subjugation. I was stunned as I read the news as ISIS chased tens of thousands of Yazidis up a mountain, thinking, it is time: the world needs to crush ISIS. I do not recall Obama harshly condemning what ISIS was doing. We did some food drops in which much of the food got destroyed from being dropped from too high of an altitude. Our servicemen were put in danger, and most of the food got destroyed. As the world was trying to figure out exactly how many people were trapped without food/water and faced with immediate slaughter shpuld they descend, Obama minimized the problem, saying something like 'it's not as bad as we thought'!!! I was dumbfounded! We needed to have someone like John McCain in office at that point, someone decisive who would have taken immediate effective actions to crush ISIS or at least, severely handicap them. Way too much time was spent with those in power scratching their heads trying to figure out what they should do. They should have done something, they should have taken immediate drastic action against ISIS. I had a very bad feeling at that point when no real action was taken. Very interesting discussion and I am glad you brought up this topic of ISIS and Islam because it needs to be discussed. Thank you for letting me know aboit jihadiwatch. I am interested to check it out.

Peter Hyatt said...

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/87-percent-of-saudi-males-blame-women-for-sexual-assault-survey/

You are already aware of how often I write about violence and women...this stat is astounding.

Peter