Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Idaho: Missing 2 Year Old


HEARTBROKEN PARENTS OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD: “WE’LL FIND YOU, SON”

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 32  Updated at 2:51 pm, July 13th, 2015 By: Nate Eaton, EastIdahoNews.com
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IDAHO FALLS – The parents of a toddler who disappeared during a weekend camping trip believe he was abducted, but they have faith he’s still alive.
In an interview with EastIdahoNews.com, Deorr Kunz Sr. and Jessica Mitchell say they are praying Deorr Kunz Jr. will be found soon.
“We’re looking for you son and we will find you,” an emotional Kunz Sr. said. “We love you more than anything in the world. You have a lot of people that love you, and buddy – we’ll find you.” 
“If somebody has him please don’t hurt him,” Mitchell said. “Just bring him home safely where he belongs.” 
After three days of intense searches, Deorr’s parents believe their 2-year-old was kidnapped Friday as the family was camping in Leadore. 
“As his father I believe, and a lot of people agree with me, that he is no longer up the mountain anymore,” Kunz Sr. said.
No one has seen Deorr since Friday afternoon.

87 comments:

Buckley said...

OT

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-vallejo-kidnapping-arrest-20150713-story.html

Four months ago, 29-year-old Denise Huskins turned up in Huntington Beach, saying she had been kidnapped from her home here and held ransom.

Vallejo police were skeptical, calling the case a “wild goose chase” and a waste of police resources. Authorities from the Northern California town even warned that Huskins and her boyfriend, who said he was drugged during the kidnapping, could face criminal charges themselves for making a false report.

On Monday, the case took a dramatic turn.


FBI affidavit for Matthew Muller
The FBI announced that a man had been arrested in connection with what officials would only call the kidnapping of a woman. Matthew Muller, 38, a Harvard-educated former attorney, was taken into custody June 8 after authorities identified him as a suspect in a home-invasion robbery in Dublin, Calif., federal officials said.


Buckley said...

An unsealed federal affidavit outlining their case against Muller does not name Huskins, but the details of the kidnapping are nearly identical to the account given by Huskins and her boyfriend, Aaron Quinn.

Vallejo police were not talking Monday, referring questions to the FBI. But attorneys for Huskins and Quinn had plenty to say about how police initially handled the case.

“The idea that in a short period of time they decided it was a hoax, that only works in Batman movies,” Quinn's attorney, Daniel Russo, said at a news conference Monday.

“The core of the problem here is it was so fantastical it couldn't be true, but no one asked the important question…. what is the motive here,” added Huskins' attorney, Douglas Rappaport. Huskins cried during the news conference but did not speak.

The couple's attorneys are demanding Vallejo police apologize to their clients and the public because “the individuals who perpetrated this offense were free to prey on other victims,” Rappaport said. Quinn and Huskins, he said, endured “public humiliation” and mockery, despite being “nothing but cooperative, conscientious human beings.”


Denise Huskins' lawyer says Vallejo abduction was no hoax
In June, the FBI met with local law enforcement and determined there were similarities between the Dublin robbery and Huskins' kidnapping. In both cases, the couples woke to find a man standing at the foot of their bed with a flashlight shining in their faces. Both times, the victims were ordered to lie on their stomachs and zip ties were used to restrain them.

Quinn told police that Huskins had been “forcibly taken” from his home sometime between midnight and 5 a.m. March 23. His attorneys said Quinn was bound and drugged, and had voluntarily provided blood samples to police. Quinn said he also gave authorities his passwords to double-check his email activity.

Based on the FBI's descriptions of the March 23 incident, Quinn's eyes were covered with swim goggles, and headphones with prerecorded instructions were placed over his ears.

He was given a muscle relaxant and Nyquil, and was warned he was being watched, according to the affidavit.

Quinn told police he later awoke to find his girlfriend, belongings and car missing. A voice-mail message demanding an $8,500 ransom was left behind, the FBI said.


A news crew reports on the alleged abduction of Denise Huskins in front of the home she was said to have been taken from in Vallejo, Calif. (Chris Riley / Associated Press)
Two days later, Huskins was dropped off at her family's home in Huntington Beach. Authorities arranged a flight for Huskins to Northern California to interview her. But when she never got on the plane, police grew suspicious and said the kidnapping appeared to be an “orchestrated event.” The couple's attorneys insisted the kidnapping was real.

Muller, who originally came to the attention of police investigating the robbery in Dublin, is a former U.S. Marine and Harvard Law School graduate who practiced law until 2013. He was disbarred in January 2015 after he was found to have failed to perform competent legal services for a client in an immigration case, according to records. He filed for bankruptcy in 2014, but the filing was dismissed months later, according to U.S. District Court documents.

Quinn's computer, water goggles covered with tape, a pair of two-way radios and tape with a long blond strand of hair attached to it were found in the South Lake Tahoe home where Muller was arrested or inside a stolen car he apparently was traveling in, according to the FBI. Most of the items had been mentioned in emails from the kidnappers, the affidavit said.

Authorities cautioned that the investigation is far from over.

“We firmly believe there are other perpetrators out there” who colluded with Muller, Russo said. “What I want for the Vallejo PD to do is to do their job. Go out, find out if there are other guys, get them in custody as soon as possible. And next time, think before you talk.”

Buckley said...

“As his father I believe, and a lot of people agree with me, that he is no longer up the mountain anymore,” Kunz Sr. said.

Why does he need to tell us "a lot of people" agree with him? Why the need to tell us his belief "as a father"?

Is he having disagreements with LE about where they should focus the search?

Paul said...

The entire 15 minute interview.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

Steven Powell found GUILTY of child porn possession after recording young next door neighbors going to the bathroom

The father-in-law of missing Utah mother Susan Powell found guilty Monday
The 65-year-old now faces five years in prison
Already served two years in prison after he took sexually explicit photos of two young neighbors in their bathroom from his bedroom window
He kept the images on a disc for sexual purposes, prosecutors said
Susan Powell disappeared from her home in West Valley City, Utah, in December 2009 and has never been found

Her husband, Steven Powell's son Josh, was long a person of interest in the case but never charged; he killed himself and their two sons in a 2012 fire



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160187/Steven-Powell-GUILTY-child-porn-possession-recording-young-girls-door-going-bathroom.html#ixzz3fsJpCtzT
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Foolsfeedonfolly said...

When was the last time you left your child with their grandparent, and when you came to get them, asked "Where is little_________(insert your own child's name)?"? Distancing language? It sounds awkward because it is awkward. No one refers to their own child as "little Sara/Tyler". That's how we describe someone else's child or a child we don't personally know (i.e. "Isn't he a cute little guy?"). I'm concerned also that in telling us what happened, Dad places the emotion before the action. He states the grandfather "was shocked" and then asks wasn't Deorr with them.

Dad says "we decided" to explore. Who's "we"? Who went exploring? How far did they go? How long were they gone? Dad makes it sound like they only went exploring for a few minutes, with his "Grandpa turned his head and he [Deorr] vanished" statement. Minimizing? Negligence? Notice what he doesn't say about the exploration- that he/they asked Grandpa to keep an eye on Deorr, who went, where they went, and how long they were gone. Dad didn't even ballpark how long they'd been gone "exploring".

Keep in mind that Dad is pitching this event as an abduction. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but it's not my normal to "have enemies". It's certainly not my normal to allow that I have enemies who may want to take my child either, as if that's everybody's normal. Listen to the Mom in the interview. When Dad is referencing having enemies, she cuts in with "they know how much he [Deorr] means to us". This is either alarming or storytelling= not good either way.

First of all-What kind of enemies have you made that they'd follow your family on a mountain camping trip? What did you do to make enemies, much less that kind?

Secondly- If (big IF) this is a stranger abduction, how would a stranger know how much your child means to you? A stranger doesn't care or consider that. She talks as if someone's trying to teach them a lesson or send them a warning.

Peter Hyatt said...

Thank you, Paul.

Anonymous said...

Is there some way we can post info about a new case without it ending up interspersed in the discussion of a different matter? It really disrupts the flow, especially on a long thread.

Sus said...

I'm the Pollyanna that Peter speaks of. :-) After watching the full interview I believe these parents have nothing to do with their son being missing. That's the trouble with articles that pull out a few quotes. They tell exactly how long they explored at the creek, 10 minutes. The little boy is called "Little Deorr" because he's a junior named after his father. The father is not "pushing an abduction" as much as entertaining the possibility and hoping someone has him and he's alive.

Apple said...

"dead panic", "put to rest", and so much thankfulness to the people WHO HAVE NOT YET LOCATED HIS SON, all in the first 1.5 minutes. I will watch more later. Maybe.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

In the wilderness, an area known for mountain lions/bears/wolves, with a creek and steep mountains, who looks for a child for any real length of time before calling 911?

Years ago, our toddler went missing early one morning. I awoke early to find our toddler gone. After a fast and frantic 5-10 min. search of the house (and all the favorite hiding places), I opted to call 911 before I checked with our close friends next door. On my way to the phone, I spotted the note from my spouse on the counter. Because I'd been up sick most of the night, my spouse took our toddler to work so I could rest. I live in a city on a slightly busy road and it only took me a few minutes to go from search mode to 911.

I'm wondering why someone didn't call 911, while everybody else broke up into teams to search the immediate area. No toddler can walk 2.5 miles in an hour or two, much less in steep mountainous terrain.

Toddler's are fast, but they tire quickly (little legs); and they're not exactly nimble sprinters on uneven terrain.

If the child was at the campsite when "they went exploring" and was intercepted by a wild animal, it seems logical that it should have been well within that 2.5 mile radius for searchers to find evidence (blood, hair, torn clothing, etc.). Where was Grandpa in relation to the camp? Where was Deorr in relation to Grandpa? Who went camping? Who was at the campsite?

No offense intended to grandparents or the elderly here- Does Grandpa have any memory or attention issues? Could the time frame be off and Deorr been gone far longer? Possibly taken by a wild animal farther from the campsite (but still within that 2.5 mile radius)? Evidence (blood, tracks, scat, etc.)?

Lemon said...

“As his father I believe, and a lot of people agree with me, that he is no longer up the mountain anymore,” Kunz Sr. said.

In the video, the words "a lot" are repeated. This is not reflected in the quote from the article.

Why the strong need to persuade?

Buckley said...

Yeah, that was my question, too. It's about where the boy isn't- so I think it could relate to a debate about where to (or not) search. Also, if he is not on the mountain, that points to abduction, so maybe persuasion that an Amber alert should be issued?

I haven't watched video yet, though.

Sus said...

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

Peter Hyatt said...

if someone can transcribe, it would be of great value.

Peter Hyatt said...

We can have a lot of questions for the father, as well as find sensitivity indicators. Sometimes, the questions get appropriate answers, and sometimes sensitivity indicators are explained. This is why we proceed with caution.

It is not uncommon for dad to use "we" while being interviewed with his wife present. This is not "unexpected." When you hear him move to "I", it should be considered important.

I know some of you are likely highlighting the praise of the searchers and police while they have not found his son.

Sus, the out of context quotes does make things more complicated. Good point. My "pollyanna" view of you is a compliment of you.

Back to the interview:

Since the issue of "hearsay" and "rumors" and "social media" were addressed, and the fact that so many times America has seen guilty liars on TV, the interviewer could have simply asked him about it, such as:

"Have police suspected you?"

"What do you say to those who in social media think you caused this?"

"Are you willing to take a polygraph?"

or something along these lines.

by not challenging him directly, the interviewer can still be the "good guy" in all of it. He said the rumors got "worse and worse and worse" that should be the best opportunity for RD.

Peter

trustmeigetit said...

I too was bothered by the "enemies" comment.

Since you are not at home, and it's unlikely "enemies" would follow you camping.

Unless that was a focus of police, I think that's concerning.

And camping, I would not be sure he was kidnapped but more concerned about an animal or just an injury. Not that a child could not be kidnapped while camping, it's just not as likely.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

After Dad made his "no longer up the mountain anymore" statement, I wish the interviewer had asked "Where do you think he is?" I know they've stated they think he's been abducted, but I wish the interviewer had asked that question for clarity. The phrase "up the mountain" bothers me because: a 2yr old can't climb up a steep mountain in less than 10 minutes (much less 2 hours) and yet Dad places Deorr as up the mountain at some point because he says "no longer". Who cares how many people agree with him- why does that matter? It matters to him though, because he tells us the information.

So, how would he have gotten "up the mountain"? It seems illogical that someone would kidnap a 2yr old: and climb up a steep mountain (versus cutting across through the woods and down to an access road to escape); with Grandpa relatively close by (Dad implied that); with zero struggle or noise-even through the child was separated from his beloved blanket and comfort toys (completely out of character for Deorr per Mom); and with no vehicular noise (ATV, 3-Wheeler, truck, car, etc.).

Peter Hyatt said...

It is good to bring up specific points, but to proceed with caution.

We can find that sensitivity indicators can be explained in the interview process.

This is why it is so much better to read comments here than elsewhere specifically because people here most always give a reason for their opinion, or they simply point out issues they seek answers to:

in other words, it is "reasonable" or subject to the thought process, above emotion.

(I am running for President of the United States of Feelings, so I must go easy on emotions). :)

Trust:

I wonder if animal would yield clothing. A coyote would not likely ingest (or keep ingested) the clothing. Clothing is pretty easy to find by SAR dogs. Perhaps this is why the father is concluding kidnapping?

The mother said she will continue to look until he is found. This is "closed" ended, versus one who says they will look "forever", like OJ looking for the killer.

Mom did not talk a lot, but she did not give off signals of sensitivity.

Peter

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Peter Hyatt said...

I just listened to it in its entirety.

I also was doing analysis for something else while listening! (I know, I know).

Please remember our procedures to follow:

1. Listen to the words, not the inflections, nor the face expressions.
2. Presume that the parents did not do it in your first few listens.
3. Ask yourself, "Did anything NOT fit my theory that the parents did not do it?"
4. If you have found points that say "there are things that do not fit my theory", listen to it again, now presuming guilt.
5. "Does the interview now fit my theory of guilt?"

Do not be surprised of a news story that does not show guilt, too. I say this because this blog normally publishes guilty statements and news is at times overwhelmingly bad, especially in missing child cases.

Be open!

Peter

President, USofF

trustmeigetit said...


Like foolsfeedonfolly..the focus on "enemies" concerns me.

First your on a family camping trip. So what, your "enemies" followed you.

And on a camping trip, with lots of witness and often adults more alert (toddlers in an open area with no walls or gates requires constant watching) I can not imagine this an ideal time for a kidnapping...much less your enemies who followed you camping hoping for a moment to steal your child with lots of people watching.

So if he added this that is concerning. So I would want to know of the police pushed that. Even that seems unlikely. Especially since a child kidnapping is NOT usually about getting revenge on your enemy... It's usually a predator.

Peter Hyatt said...

Did you notice that he said, "my son" in the context of the child being missing?

We always follow pronouns. We listen for "son" and "daughter" regarding parental guilt, parental abuse, and parental neglect.

We find quite often:

During the time of abuse, danger, neglect, etc, the guilty parent will avoid using "my son" or "my daughter", though they will use it other times.

Abusive parents, especially, sexual abuse, will distance themselves from the victim during the point of the sermon where risk/abuse/neglect took place.

Sus,

another point:

I appreciate that you take a stand with your name, "Sus" signed, rather than anonymous. No one likes being wrong publicly, and I know your opinion is based upon a 7 minute interview, which is limited, but still, it is easy to say, with little on the line, "guilt or innocence" anonymously.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Trust, your point, "...so I would want to know if police..." is well made.

Police can influence the language of the parents, greatly.

This is why I caveat the typical "past tense reference by parent of missing child" with:

Did police give the parent indication that the child is deceased?

Peter

trustmeigetit said...

OT Ember Graham

"Police had been tracking Graham since Saturday after he allegedly skipped a meeting with a probation officer, stole a semiautomatic gun from his mother and fled after hearing that the search for his daughter, Ember, had turned up a possible lead"


A lead? Will be interesting to know what u that lead was. Now I read another article that her pacifier was found. But I am thinking it needs to be more if dad did kill the child like I beleive and this was him in panic mode.

trustmeigetit said...

Thanks Peter. I have learned so much from you. SA changes how I hear everything.

Peter Hyatt said...

I think I will put up a chat on this.

You and others are doing a good job and you can leave comments or talk "live"...I will jump in here and there and hopefully others will too.

I have a stronger opinion of the short interview now.

trustmeigetit said...

Peter you said "Trust:

I wonder if animal would yield clothing. A coyote would not likely ingest (or keep ingested) the clothing. Clothing is pretty easy to find by SAR dogs. Perhaps this is why the father is concluding kidnapping?"

I am not sure about clothing. At the least I am sure there would be something left behind. Unless the animal carried the child off someplace. Granted I don't know if a 2 year old would be too heavy for say a coyote to carry. But a bear? Do they even have bears where they were.

I still feel like a kidnapping would not be as likely. I would like to know if there were other campers around them. Otherwise just seems unlikely.

Not impossible. Just unlikely.

Sus said...

Actually it's a 15 minute interview. :-)

Peter Hyatt said...

How dare you contradict the President of the United States of Feelings!

John mcgowan said...

I would like to hear more from the Mother. It seems she can't get a word in edge ways. He keeps talking over her.

Peter Hyatt said...

John, it was not much, but no signals of deception from her.

For everyone:

is the chat feature helpful?

Peter Hyatt said...

I would have liked to hear RD from dad, but maybe he did not feel accused in the rumors section.

Sus said...

As I listen with an open mind these things stand out:
-father drones on foreverrrrrr about the search and rescue. Argument: could feel guilt for not protecting his son and in turn his wife and is overcompensating by being part of the rescue team.
-father uses "so" and "because" to explain driving down the road to call 911. Argument: I have none. It makes sense to do that. Why is he over explaining it? Have searchers checked further down the road where he drove to call?
-father explains entering the campsite to "see him gone". Argument: I have none. You can't see something not there.
-Snake River entered father's language while trying to name rescue team. Argument: maybe the creek empties into Snake River?

A few things I noticed.

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Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Peter,

Thanks for the reminder on the assumption of parental innocence and working from that vantage point. With the recent spate of missing children 2yrs and under, frankly I leaped before I looked. Lesson learned. Backtracking here...

When the Dad stated, "I believe...he is no longer up the mountain anymore.", I wish the interviewer had asked "Why do you believe that?" I'm curious why he thinks that. Is it because Deorr or even a trace of him was not found within the 2.5 mi radius or because he has not been found easily/quickly/yet? The dad seems pretty convinced.

Were they camped at the base of the mountain? I'm just wondering if there's an "up the mountain", there's conversely a down the mountain. It just doesn't seem reasonable that Deorr could go far in any direction in that terrain, in that time limit, given his age, on his own though.

Given the wilderness area and the known wild animal issue, as a parent, a wild animal attack would be my first concern after lost in the woods. Kidnapping would not be on my radar in that setting, much less kidnapping by a potential enemy. However, if I were in the midst of a bitter custody dispute or impending divorce, that might be on my radar. Neither seems to apply here though.

I wonder if they shared about this camping trip in advance via social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.). In their excitement, sometimes people announce trips and vacation plans...not realizing they could be setting themselves up for trouble depending on the audience.

Either way, a very little guy is missing and needs to be found.

Buckley said...

"Somebody will come forward wondering where this (child) has come from" ... "He is his son when talking about searching for him. But, then he is a "child" when talking about getting him back."

The person who finds him will do the "wondering", not the dad, so the change from "son" to "child" makes sense. I can't speak to child vs boy significance.

trustmeigetit said...

On the Facebook page the aunt said the boys nick name is "little man"

Just FYI in regards to a comment.



Anonymous said...

to trustme:
Ember Graham's father was shot and killed this morning while trying to hijack a car. It's easy enough to find..

lgjproduct said...

I call my grandson Little J - Little Man - among other pet names. His name is James. I tend to think this couple is sincere, though anxious about how things might look to others. He used present tense. Also, where I come from, it is very common to say Son, either as a title but mostly as a sort of nickname. My Dad called my brother Son all the time, as does my brother-in-law with his boys. I often read interpretations here of phrases that are common usage in rural WV that folks there would not think a thing about someone saying.

Anonymous said...

On another thread, there were comments about people lying. That is, sometimes, a mental disorder. Some people have alternate truths. On some level they believe what they have said. At least to some extent. I wonder how they do with a lie detector test?
It's amazing how convincing they can be at times if you are not aware of their condition.

Betty said...

The thing about his theory escalating so fast to "enemies" reminds me of various liars I know. They are either victims (enemies!) or heroes ("I will find you".said in his best Liam Neeson voice). There is no middle ground.

This guy is boringly average and this situation is a thrill ride for him.

Anonymous said...

http://q13fox.com/2015/07/14/vigil-held-for-idaho-boy-2-missing-for-four-days-sheriff-rules-out-possible-lead/

QUOTE: “There’s not much to be said other than one small mistake as a parent – leaving him with an adult that turns his head for a minute,” Kunz said.

I find this statement odd in light of the fact that Kunz said G-Grandpa thought that they were watching the boy and they thought he was. Then in the interview he says how it's such a small place you could see everything, as a defensive comment to the question why were they not watching him.

If the child met with an accident then he is in the water. When Omarion Humphrey was missing they dragged the lake near him 6 times, and had divers in it too. He was in the lake. He'd drowned the day he went missing.

I wouldn't rule anything out. I would examine the fathers trip up the mountain for a better signal when the wife was already talking to the police on her phone. He says it was for a better signal on his cell. One bar wasn't enough. Now I'm not saying anyone harmed the child. Panic makes us do odd things. Dad might just have really wanted to be sure help came fast, like he said. I don't see both the mom and the great grandfather covering for him, or him for them if any one of them had harmed the child. I also don't see how the child could have been abducted but anything is possible.

I watched the interview. The father seemed manic. He interrupted the mother, she didn't get to say much. She didn't press to say much. The interviewer let them talk and didn't ask too many questions. So it was a rambling sort of thing.

I still say keep searching the water. The reservoir is shallow sure. The creek was searched. But... do it again. and again. and again.

Anonymous said...

The mom plays solve the murder case alot on her fb . If the grandpa is the one with her on his lap ? Make your own conclusion. First grandpa thinks you took the child with you and then it's grandpa turned his head. I'd make sure I know who's watching him before I leave.

Juliet said...



Hi, Peter, and all - I frequent this blog often, though have not posted here until now. I noticed the following:

'He was right with us..'

'He was with grandpa'

'He was playing with grandpa.'

'He was getting ready for a nap.'

'He was going to be good with grandpa by the camp fire'


'We were fifty yards away..'


''This child loses stuff.'

I don't have the other quote, but there was also something about tripping - maybe there was an accident with the campfire, the toddler trying to retrieve something he had 'lost' whilst unsupervised, parents and grandparents all assuming he was with the others. Seems too bad to speculate, but why mention the child losing stuff?

Trigger said...

The mother does not say Deorr's name. She uses pronouns only when referring to Deorr.

"If somebody has him...etc."
She doesn't commit to a real person having him. She uses "if" as a qualifier and "somebody" as a qualifier. Weak statement.

"This is his comfort blanket.."
Why did she call his blanket a "comfort" blanket?
My toddlers never had a need for a "comfort blanket." I suspect neglect.

"We will not stop looking until we get him home."

The third statement is not specifically meant for Deorr or directed at Deorr. She is not committed to finding Deorr as it is a weak statement. The qualifier is "until we get him home." Maybe she knows that Deorr is not coming home?

Mother has guilty knowledge


Crystal Rogers' mother uses Crystal's name when she speaks in the media about her being missing and she directs her statements at Crystal.

Trigger said...

"This child looses stuff"

Doer Sr. does not say "my son" looses stuff, but "this child" when he looses stuff. He blurts it out unexpectedly as if it were cause for alarm or something out of the ordinary. All toddlers drop whatever is in their hands when they find something else that attracts them or interests them. it is normal behavior for a toddler to have a shot attention span and leave a scattering of toys whenever they play.

The father has distanced himself in this statement. It is sensitive. Is it alibi building? to prove or convince us of an abduction?

Does Deorr get punished for "loosing stuff?" or need to be disciplined for loosing" stuff?"

Also, I do not see any tears in the eyes of Deorr Sr.

Oakley said...

Good point. To me he was implying he couldn't have just wandered off without leaving something cuz this child looses stuff. Ummm didn't he leave somewhere his blankie his cup and his monkey...

Juliet said...

Trigger, it's not unusual for small children to become attached to a 'blanky' - it's too hasty to put that down to neglect, though the father does give the impression that none of the adults knew precisely who was (not) looking after DeOrr, which would indicate a neglectful episode. It sounds as though he was with his parents who then went off exploring - they say he was ready for his nap, that he was going to play with grandpa, that he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire - that he was going, rather than that anyone was taking him to grandpa. To me it sounds as though they have let him go off on his own in the direction of grandpa, assuming it was safe enough to do so, when evidently it was not. Perhaps grandpa had turned away before spotting the child heading towards him, and the parents didn't realise that grandpa was no longer where they thought he would be (where - had he been by the fire.?)

He loses stuff - but toddlers tend only to care very much about losing their favourite toy/blanket, so perhaps one of those items was lost or had been left behind, which caused the child to wander back towards their base in search of it. Perhaps the parents went off in search of something he had lost and became distracted from him, not realising he had wandered from them, whilst being aware he was ready for his nap and wanting to go to his grandpa.

Anonymous said...

HEY! Instead of "search and rescue" he says "Snake River" there is an RV park in Snake River about 2 hours and 40 minutes away from their campsite. I bet the dad is keeping DeOrr there.

WIFE SAYS SOME DAMNING INFO AT 7min: "Somebody at the store, um...in Leadore, said, (it was one of the ladies that had worked at the store) said that they saw um...a gentleman and a younger blonde boy, matching our description of our son, really filthy buying candy for him and he was just balling. In a black truck."

THE FATHER DRIVES A BLACK TRUCK. EVEN ADMITS IT IN THE INTERVIEW. BUT SAYS THE LADY MADE A MISTAKE.

WATCH HIS FACE AS HIS WIFE GIVES UP THIS INFO. I remember making this face a few times at my sister when she unknowingly told my parents something that would get me in trouble.

That is probably why he keeps talking over her she might give up something that is going to get him in trouble.

HE WANTS TO BE THE HERO. After the search and rescue team leaves the area he is going to bring DeOrr back to the campsite and say he found him under something or whatever.

Also notice how he seems rushed to get everyone out of the search area by repeatedly saying thank you for searching for my son and saying I dont think hes on the mountain and that the area has been combed and combed and combed.

Here is my version of what is really going on:

He is wannabe military. Thats why the tech get him excited. And he wants to be a hero. So he came up with this story. Its as close to the military life as he will get. The wife is probably unaware of his scheme. So he gets to be her hero and the familys hero. His wifes parents probably talk shit about him being a truck driver all the time, so this is his chance to win them over.

Anonymous said...

Or since the cashier saw him in Leadore at about 6:00 do you think he actually drove 9hrs+ to snake river county and back? She said that the child was filthy so he probably spent a few hours trying to hide the kid from search and rescue then admist the chaos made a break for it with him and his kid.


*** You got to admit Its pretty strange that he said Snake River twice when trying to say search and rescue. Also he was seen at a store in Leadore which leads to Snake River. I think he knows where the kid is and is trying to keep it in but the words Search and Rescue screwed him up.

Anonymous said...

Have u ever heard of a case where a parent staged a cover up so they could find a child they reported missing?

Anonymous said...

The Balloon Boy hoax.

Parents said there kid floated up into the atmosphere and was nowhere to be found. Later he was found hiding in the attic. Later investigators proved it was a hoax made up by the family to get attention and made them pay 36,000 restitution.

Lemon said...

Welcome Juliet@4:40 :)

Juliet said...

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Juliet said...

Thanks, Lemon.


Anon, I read that cctv had ruled out a store sighting - I think it was a Walmart, not sure if that is the sighting the parents were speaking of.

Anonymous said...


There is something screwy about the lady in the store story. The way it is related, it's impossible to tell if she is saying the man was filthy or the child was filthy, but it sounds more like she is saying the man was filthy and the boy was bawling. Whatever the case, I don't believe she made up this story. Does she describe what age this child might have been? I haven't read it if she did.

If she's competent to work in a store, she's competent to know what she saw. She saw a man driving a black truck with a little bawling blond boy and the man was buying candy. Was it the man buying the candy, or the child; this part of the statement isn't clear either, although it sounds like it is the man buying candy.

Did he bring the child into the store with him or leave the child in the truck? This detail is missing. If this sighting was ruled out on cctv at Walmart, then that's not where they were seen, not if the cctvs were operational at Walmart.

The father says "she made a mistake". A mistake? She knows what she saw. How can he say she made a mistake, how would he know that it wasn't someone else she saw driving the black truck with a crying little boy while he bought candy? He wouldn't know this if he wasn't there, now would he?

Juliet said...

Anonymous - the father admits it was him in the store but disputes the time. If I have heard correctly:

Interviewer : is there any rumours or anything you've seen that you want to clear up, Jessica?
Jessica: I just, somebody at the store, um at Leador, said, it was one of the ladies that had worked at the store, said that they saw, um, a gentleman and a younger blonde boy matching our description of our son, really filthy, buying candy for him, and he was just bawling, in a black truck. That is the only other...

DeOrre Sr.: There's a problem, my pick-up truck is black..
Jessica: he drives a black truck.
DeOrre Sr.: as a family, we went down to get a few things. It was me, but they claim it was at six o clock...that afternoon, evening, but we..were...
Jessica: Earlier, it was earlier that day
DeOrre Sr.: ..with search and rescue until what, a quarter to four..?
Jessica: yeah..
DeOrre Sr.: we didn't, we never, haven't left the camp since one o clock that afternoon, so it's just a lot of hearsay, and..

Juliet said...

The father said they went to the store as a family, and 'we' didn't leave the camp after one that afternoon - he doesn't say that he didn't leave the camp alone, or with his son, after that time - just that 'we', as in the family, did not.

Juliet said...

Some more, very laborious on tablet keyboard, so excuse any typos.

interviewer: was anybody camping round you?
D: that we don't know is...I come to find, I didn't know the area, and I didn't know, I ..there, it's very open but you can't see much ...there's a road that goes up and along the top - we're camped underneath the reservoir, basically right below it, and you can go up above the reservoir, and I didn't even know the road was, did that, I didn't know the road was up there, and as I travelled up there myself, I could've found out [?] I could see everything that was going on at the campsite, but you can't see out - you can't see up, you can't see round and if anyone comes to the bottom of your camp ground you can't even see they are...
interviewer: So they could've come to your...
D: they could've come in and you could never know it. The water was not very, it was not a fast running creek, but it is quite loud moving through the logs and things like that, so hearing range is not all that far either..so's you couldn't hear anyone coming up either.
Interviewer: so he was just kind of olaying, you guys were doing your thing and then you noticed...
D: he was playing with grandpa
J: he, yeah, he was with my grandfather
D:.he was over, he was getting ready for a nap, uh say it was almost, by that time it was almost two, and he usually takes his nap, um...we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring, and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire, we weren't more than fifty..
J: ten minutes
D: fifty yards away and ten minutes, but for time, we, I, seen him to the point I figured out he was gone and I come back up to the creek and I actually seen, there were some things down by there, some little minnows that I thought he would just love, so when I come back up to get him and I yelled over to grandpa, um, where, you know, where is little DeOrr? He, immediately shock. He says, he came up to you, because it's such a small area. That's what a lot of people, they don't understand, they just assume how could you let your child out of your sight? This area is pretty well blocked in and you can see, you, there is no way you couldn't not see him, in what we thought, and just a split second your whole world is upside down and - vanished, there's not a trace found. That's the reason why they, this been called on the news a suspension, because it is not a suspension, but there's not s single trace of him. This child loses stuff.he's two, almost three, anybody who has a child that age range knows, they leave trails, they lose stuff..
J: shoes come off..anything
D: There's just nothing. There's a possibility that he may be with somebody, and that's giving us some hope. It's a bad thing that he will be not with us right now but it also means there is a good chance that he is alive and with somebody, so we're trying every aspect we can, any aspect we can..

Juliet said...

Interviewer: is that what your gut tells you?
D: Yes. As his father I believe and I think after being up there, and a lot of people agree with me a lot, that he is no longer up the mountain anymore. The searching advances they used, and was just very thorough for miles, there wasn't a stone left unturned, there still isn't, and we're going to continue to search, but being his father also, that's what my heart and my gut tell me but I'm not sure, so that's where I'm asking the public's help -anything - I'm, Lhima HC Sherriffvare handling this but they're not designed for systems quite like this, they've got two phone lines, and please be patient, they're doing the best they can, and we all are, and we will find him.
I : do you plan to hold a vigil down here? I guess you haven't even thought about it. Do you want the community in Idaho Falls to rally? I know they don't want a lot of people up there.
D: that's what we're not real sure. I don't, yet again, as a father who's very concerned, with the whole family, we'll tell you 'yes, if we can get the whole state of Idaho up there we would love to' - but in such a small area that has been combed and combed and combed, something may have been missed but I don't know. I've been trying,,,I'm gonna be getting with the Lhima HC Sherriff in Snake River, sorry, the Salmon - Snake and River-.Salmon Search and Rescue, to see what their thoughts on everything is, and trust me with such a small area, one hundred and seventy five people, there was nowhere to park, nowhere to walk, there was grid searches up from one end - there's ridges from one side to the other and they're not very far apart, and they was all searched, all the way down to the bottom all the way above the reservoir. The rest itself, not a lot of people know the place. The reservoir itself isn't but maybe a few feet deep. If you're up on top you can see the bottom of the centre. If you're looking at the middle you can see the bottom of it, so everything has been 100% thoroughly checked but nobody can guarantee me 100% so I'm gonna keep looking.

Juliet said...

Jessica: we'll continue to look until he is found - we don't care how long it takes, we, and we think as many people that have shared the story and continue to share his pictures and things like that, if somebody has him, they'll eventually bring him back...and they will come forward with some sort of information.
D: somebody will come forward wondering where this child has come from. That may not be the case, but it could be, so that's why we're trying to look at this aspect as well.
I: and you want people to keep sharing?
J: yes, please keep sharing photos.
D: yes. Keep sharing his photos, keep him in your mind, your hearts and your prayers, and just keep looking, keep your eyes open, please. Social media in general, in public just keep your eyes open and keep sharing.
I: tell me about the blanket.

Anonymous said...

Yea wasn't that a specific case of actors trying to get publicity and weren't they wanna be reality tv stars? I'm not sure what the gain would be for these parents. It would be shocking if they are doing it for attention.

Juliet said...


Jessica: this is his blanket. He doesn't go anywhere without his blanket, his cup, or his monkey, and all three of them were left at the campground. And since he..
D: All three has to be with him.
J: Yes.
D: He will trip over them if he has to, but they are going with him, and this is the first time since he's been born, pretty much, that he's been without these things...and that's another reason why we were wondering.
J: Yes, because this is the blanket that we brought him home in from the hospital, this is his, this is what comforts him and at all times.
D: This is an exact replica of a security blanket, for everybody this is his actual blanket - he does not go anywhere without it, that's our other concern of why.
J: Yeah, and I..
Interviewer: should he be out there and happen to see this, what would you say?
D: We're looking for you, son, and we will find y,oh, and we love you more than anything in the world. You have a lot of people who love you and who are looking for you, buddy, we'll find you - Daddy will find you.
J: We won't stop looking until we get you home.
I: [inaudible].- is there anything you want to add?
J: Just if somebody has him, please don't hurt him, just bring him home safely to us.
D: No matter what it takes.
J: ..where he belongs. Even if you have to just leave him at a store where somebody else will see him and bring him home safely to us. I don't - just drop him off somewhere where -
D: And if that's not the case..
J: - somebody is at so they can see him and bring him home.
D: And if that may not be the case, I will, we will search for you, and search for you, and search for you, until we find you, no matter how long it takes, no matter what we gotta overcome, we will find you,son.

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End of interview. I should have started at the beginning - i could add the rest later if that could be helpful, but I'm out of time for a little while now.

Juliet said...

Not sure if the father says this IS or IS NOT an exact replica - either way, seems odd to introduce the idea of a replica whilst also saying it is his actual blanket. Also, I'm not convinced that the father did not know the area, and had never been there before -.i think he didn't know about the road above the reservoir and maybe was anxious that something might have been seen from there by persons unknown?

Juliet said...

Is there duper's delight going on around the point at which the father is speaking about the sheriff and the two phone lines, or is he just inappropriately excited at being on tv? His upset at the end seems genuine.

Juliet said...

interview continued (this is where it began).

Interviewer: Alright, DeOrre, take us back, was it Friday?
Jessica: Yes.
DeOrre Sr:.i'm not sure what day it is today!
I : today's Monday.
J: It was Friday.
D: Friday, about 2.26 was when I, was it 2.26?
J: It was 2.36 when I called.
D : 2.36 when she called and I was in the truck hauling down to the road trying to get service because I didn't think one bar would get it. So I, she got very very lucky. I was blessed that she was able to get service because I didn't think, i didn't want to try and risk getting half way through my talking to 911 and have it cut off. So I went down to where I knew I could get a little service, about a half mile down the road. Uh, we searched for - after about twenty minutes in a dead panic, not knowing where he was in such a small area, and not knowing, never being there, I knew I was in trouble. Um, so we decided to call search and rescue, uh, and that's when I drove down. She tried getting a signal out - um, as soon as I got a hold of the,, I kind of, they told me that she was on the other line with them and they had our location, and they were on our way. They, they were amazing, they are amazing and they still continue to be. Ah, Lhema High County Sherriff and Salmon Search and Resxue, you could not ask for a better group of people, volunteers, and search and rescue, and just everybody. You couldn't ask for better people - so sincere, so concerned, and they were - everybody was emotionally attached to this, as you, anybody would be of a two year old.
He's pretty small for his age but he moves pretty good, and that was our concern. He, uh, was right with us, where it's at, I mean I thought it would be perfect to go camping there because it's enclosed by walls and mountains, and there's not much space around there he could go, and our biggest concern was the creek, which was knee deep and a few feet wide, but he's a little guy. Um, they finally, yesterday, we were able to put that to rest and have HC Sheriff Dave and the rest of the sheriffs have put out that there is, they assured me, there is 100% chance that he is not anywhere in that water, around that water. They have torn that creek upside down and in and out. The divers have gone through with wetsuits, along with the helicopter - that was the world's most advanced search and rescue helicopter, volunteered out of Montana, and those guys were just amazing, the accuracy they had with the night vision ability it has and the heat range it can see,, they were - . The one guy, I can't remember his name, um, I've met so many people, so many good people, but he was - his own safety, he was, he was more or less,, he was strapped in, he was on the side of that helicopter, looking, and I - he was looking down. I remember them telling me they asked search and rescue to look over, because there was an orange insect repellant can, they think by the bank, and they were dead on, that's what it was, how accurate these guys are.

J: They thought it was, it might have been, a part of a shoe, or something, but they said, go check that out.
D: These guys search miles, so the miles radius they have - it's very rocky terrain, it's very open, it's not -.the helicopter they used is used to back very deep Montana, it is designed for a lot worse situations than this, and there was not a trace of my son found - there still isn't but the search is on, that's - the hearsay of things has kind of gotten way out of hand, the search is so far as it's been put on, that it's been suspended, and that is not entirely sure or true. Sheriff Dave of Lhema HC, I just spoke with him on the phone this morning - he has got horseback riders and trackers up there right now, and very advanced professionals. I'll be going up, and I've just come down to get any resources I can get to go back, right on back up today. Um, what questions do you guys have?

Anonymous said...

If he (dad) had never been there, how could he have thought that would be the perfect place to go camping?

Juliet said...

Interviewer: Tell us a little bit about, first of all, how are you guys holding up? I know everybody, a lot of people, are praying for you all.
DeOrre Sr.: Friends and family, and hoping to be strong for him.
Jessica:. Pretty...the support around us is what's, I know, keeping us together because if we didn't have all of our family - the minute I called my mom, and she was up there in a matter of hours and the same with the rest of our family, they were just up there, around us.
D: Luckily, we - a few phone calls Isxall it took at first, and we had, as Sheriff David said in the news, a hundred and seventy five plus people up there in the grid searches, volunteers, uh, professionals, and anybody I called. The service up there is very hearsay - here, there - it's camping, you know. Um, we're trying to hold up the best we can, but with - we have hope, is the thing. Hope is what keeps it going because the search is not over, the search is not done. We will find him, no matter what.
I: You were in the truck so you were the first to realise, ' Oh, no, DeOrr is not here.'
D: No, we both did, I -
J: We both did.
D: After twenty minutes of up and down the creek and up and around the camp, and he wasn't there, that's when I got in my pick up truck and drove down the road to try and get some service.
J: - especially after screaming his name, we have nicknames for him, no sound of him, no crying.
D:.he's a goer and a mover but he does not go away from his parents, he does not.
J: Yes, he's very attached to us.
I: So this is unusual.
D: Very unusual, sir.
J: And we didn't hear people around us, we didn't see anybody, we have -
Off camera: social media, that needs to be addressed.
I: Yes, social media can be a good thing but it can also -
D: That's, that's one of the -
J:.We just don't want anything to twist it
I: Yes, we don't want to twist it, so clear up any rumours that you've seen or heard
J: We've-
Off camera [inaudible] - we need to talk about -
J: One thing that concerned me -
D: We wanna get to that. Most of the biggest rumours that are going around is - I mean, I have heard everything from the - I mean, why you would make up a rumour that has to do with a three year old is - if you're not going to help, please, don't - if it's not helpful - it's -
J: Yeah.
D: This is a two, almost three year old we're talking about, please help us. But I've heard everything from my company won't let me come home off the road to look for my son - I was there the entire time, and my employer, four hours after my son went missing, has been up there day and night, has not slowed down - um, and that, that one bothered me, and then they just came, they got worse, and they got worse, and they got worse - but that's a handful of bad with a bunch of good. The amount of support is overwhelming, and it's good.
I: Is there any rumour, or anything you've seen that you want to clear up, Jessica?

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Ends at the point where the earlier transcription posts begin. If anyone would like to cut and paste them in the right order, and tidy it up, maybe exchange my British spellings for American, and repost as a whole, they are welcome to do so, and thanks. I think it would be improved if read through whilst listening to the interview, to catch any errors/ mishearings I might have made.

Anonymous said...

I pretty sure if I lost my kid I would know exactly what day it is and the time. I feel like he was to casual about that. I also feel that the mom is innocent. Look at how sunburned she is. DeOrr Sr talks to much. Liars have been known to fill the silence with tons of words because they are nervous. Also he doesnt get emotional until the very last few second of the interview. Looks forced. He makes his eyes water but I dont see any tears. But the video isnt high def and this is all just speculation...

Anyway I have placed all of Juilets text in the right order.

Prepare for a massive wall of text:

Anonymous said...

*********** TRANSCRIPTION OF ENTIRE INTERVIEW ************

By Juliet

-------BEGINNING OF INTERVIEW------------

Interviewer: Alright, DeOrre, take us back, was it Friday?
Jessica: Yes.
DeOrre Sr:.i'm not sure what day it is today!
I : today's Monday.
J: It was Friday.
D: Friday, about 2.26 was when I, was it 2.26?
J: It was 2.36 when I called.
D : 2.36 when she called and I was in the truck hauling down to the road trying to get service because I didn't think one bar would get it. So I, she got very very lucky. I was blessed that she was able to get service because I didn't think, i didn't want to try and risk getting half way through my talking to 911 and have it cut off. So I went down to where I knew I could get a little service, about a half mile down the road. Uh, we searched for - after about twenty minutes in a dead panic, not knowing where he was in such a small area, and not knowing, never being there, I knew I was in trouble. Um, so we decided to call search and rescue, uh, and that's when I drove down. She tried getting a signal out - um, as soon as I got a hold of the,, I kind of, they told me that she was on the other line with them and they had our location, and they were on our way. They, they were amazing, they are amazing and they still continue to be. Ah, Lhema High County Sherriff and Salmon Search and Rescue, you could not ask for a better group of people, volunteers, and search and rescue, and just everybody. You couldn't ask for better people - so sincere, so concerned, and they were - everybody was emotionally attached to this, as you, anybody would be of a two year old.
He's pretty small for his age but he moves pretty good, and that was our concern. He, uh, was right with us, where it's at, I mean I thought it would be perfect to go camping there because it's enclosed by walls and mountains, and there's not much space around there he could go, and our biggest concern was the creek, which was knee deep and a few feet wide, but he's a little guy. Um, they finally, yesterday, we were able to put that to rest and have HC Sheriff Dave and the rest of the sheriffs have put out that there is, they assured me, there is 100% chance that he is not anywhere in that water, around that water. They have torn that creek upside down and in and out. The divers have gone through with wetsuits, along with the helicopter - that was the world's most advanced search and rescue helicopter, volunteered out of Montana, and those guys were just amazing, the accuracy they had with the night vision ability it has and the heat range it can see,, they were - . The one guy, I can't remember his name, um, I've met so many people, so many good people, but he was - his own safety, he was, he was more or less,, he was strapped in, he was on the side of that helicopter, looking, and I - he was looking down. I remember them telling me they asked search and rescue to look over, because there was an orange insect repellant can, they think by the bank, and they were dead on, that's what it was, how accurate these guys are.

Anonymous said...

------------BEGINNING CONTINUED--------------------
J: They thought it was, it might have been, a part of a shoe, or something, but they said, go check that out.
D: These guys search miles, so the miles radius they have - it's very rocky terrain, it's very open, it's not -.the helicopter they used is used to back very deep Montana, it is designed for a lot worse situations than this, and there was not a trace of my son found - there still isn't but the search is on, that's - the hearsay of things has kind of gotten way out of hand, the search is so far as it's been put on, that it's been suspended, and that is not entirely sure or true. Sheriff Dave of Lhema HC, I just spoke with him on the phone this morning - he has got horseback riders and trackers up there right now, and very advanced professionals. I'll be going up, and I've just come down to get any resources I can get to go back, right on back up today. Um, what questions do you guys have?

Anonymous said...

-------------------MIDDLE OF INTERVIEW--------------------

Interviewer: Tell us a little bit about, first of all, how are you guys holding up? I know everybody, a lot of people, are praying for you all.
DeOrre Sr.: Friends and family, and hoping to be strong for him.
Jessica:. Pretty...the support around us is what's, I know, keeping us together because if we didn't have all of our family - the minute I called my mom, and she was up there in a matter of hours and the same with the rest of our family, they were just up there, around us.
D: Luckily, we - a few phone calls Is all it took at first, and we had, as Sheriff David said in the news, a hundred and seventy five plus people up there in the grid searches, volunteers, uh, professionals, and anybody I called. The service up there is very hearsay - here, there - it's camping, you know. Um, we're trying to hold up the best we can, but with - we have hope, is the thing. Hope is what keeps it going because the search is not over, the search is not done. We will find him, no matter what.
I: You were in the truck so you were the first to realize, ' Oh, no, DeOrr is not here.'
D: No, we both did, I -
J: We both did.
D: After twenty minutes of up and down the creek and up and around the camp, and he wasn't there, that's when I got in my pick up truck and drove down the road to try and get some service.
J: - especially after screaming his name, we have nicknames for him, no sound of him, no crying.
D:.he's a goer and a mover but he does not go away from his parents, he does not.
J: Yes, he's very attached to us.
I: So this is unusual.
D: Very unusual, sir.
J: And we didn't hear people around us, we didn't see anybody, we have -
Off camera: social media, that needs to be addressed.
I: Yes, social media can be a good thing but it can also -
D: That's, that's one of the -
J:.We just don't want anything to twist it
I: Yes, we don't want to twist it, so clear up any rumors that you've seen or heard
J: We've-
Off camera [inaudible] - we need to talk about -
J: One thing that concerned me -
D: We wanna get to that. Most of the biggest rumors that are going around is - I mean, I have heard everything from the - I mean, why you would make up a rumor that has to do with a three year old is - if you're not going to help, please, don't - if it's not helpful - it's -
J: Yeah.
D: This is a two, almost three year old we're talking about, please help us. But I've heard everything from my company won't let me come home off the road to look for my son - I was there the entire time, and my employer, four hours after my son went missing, has been up there day and night, has not slowed down - um, and that, that one bothered me, and then they just came, they got worse, and they got worse, and they got worse - but that's a handful of bad with a bunch of good. The amount of support is overwhelming, and it's good.
I: Is there any rumor, or anything you've seen that you want to clear up, Jessica?
Interviewer : is there any rumors or anything you've seen that you want to clear up, Jessica?
Jessica: I just, somebody at the store, um at Leador, said, it was one of the ladies that had worked at the store, said that they saw, um, a gentleman and a younger blonde boy matching our description of our son, really filthy, buying candy for him, and he was just bawling, in a black truck. That is the only other...

Anonymous said...

----------------- MIDDLE OF INTERVIEW CONTINUED --------------

DeOrre Sr.: There's a problem, my pick-up truck is black..
Jessica: he drives a black truck.
DeOrre Sr.: as a family, we went down to get a few things. It was me, but they claim it was at six o clock...that afternoon, evening, but we..were...
Jessica: Earlier, it was earlier that day
DeOrre Sr.: ..with search and rescue until what, a quarter to four..?
Jessica: yeah..
DeOrre Sr.: we didn't, we never, haven't left the camp since one o clock that afternoon, so it's just a lot of hearsay, and..
interviewer: was anybody camping round you?
D: that we don't know is...I come to find, I didn't know the area, and I didn't know, I ..there, it's very open but you can't see much ...there's a road that goes up and along the top - we're camped underneath the reservoir, basically right below it, and you can go up above the reservoir, and I didn't even know the road was, did that, I didn't know the road was up there, and as I travelled up there myself, I could've found out [?] I could see everything that was going on at the campsite, but you can't see out - you can't see up, you can't see round and if anyone comes to the bottom of your camp ground you can't even see they are...
interviewer: So they could've come to your...
D: they could've come in and you could never know it. The water was not very, it was not a fast running creek, but it is quite loud moving through the logs and things like that, so hearing range is not all that far either..so's you couldn't hear anyone coming up either.
Interviewer: so he was just kind of playing, you guys were doing your thing and then you noticed...
D: he was playing with grandpa
J: he, yeah, he was with my grandfather
D:.he was over, he was getting ready for a nap, uh say it was almost, by that time it was almost two, and he usually takes his nap, um...we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring, and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire, we weren't more than fifty..
J: ten minutes
D: fifty yards away and ten minutes, but for time, we, I, seen him to the point I figured out he was gone and I come back up to the creek and I actually seen, there were some things down by there, some little minnows that I thought he would just love, so when I come back up to get him and I yelled over to grandpa, um, where, you know, where is little DeOrr? He, immediately shock. He says, he came up to you, because it's such a small area. That's what a lot of people, they don't understand, they just assume how could you let your child out of your sight? This area is pretty well blocked in and you can see, you, there is no way you couldn't not see him, in what we thought, and just a split second your whole world is upside down and - vanished, there's not a trace found. That's the reason why they, this been called on the news a suspension, because it is not a suspension, but there's not s single trace of him. This child loses stuff. He's two, almost three, anybody who has a child that age range knows, they leave trails, they lose stuff..

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J: shoes come off..anything
D: There's just nothing. There's a possibility that he may be with somebody, and that's giving us some hope. It's a bad thing that he will be not with us right now but it also means there is a good chance that he is alive and with somebody, so we're trying every aspect we can, any aspect we can..
Interviewer: is that what your gut tells you?
D: Yes. As his father I believe and I think after being up there, and a lot of people agree with me a lot, that he is no longer up the mountain anymore. The searching advances they used, and was just very thorough for miles, there wasn't a stone left unturned, there still isn't, and we're going to continue to search, but being his father also, that's what my heart and my gut tell me but I'm not sure, so that's where I'm asking the public's help -anything - I'm, Lhima HC Sherriff are handling this but they're not designed for systems quite like this, they've got two phone lines, and please be patient, they're doing the best they can, and we all are, and we will find him.
I : do you plan to hold a vigil down here? I guess you haven't even thought about it. Do you want the community in Idaho Falls to rally? I know they don't want a lot of people up there.
D: that's what we're not real sure. I don't, yet again, as a father who's very concerned, with the whole family, we'll tell you 'yes, if we can get the whole state of Idaho up there we would love to' - but in such a small area that has been combed and combed and combed, something may have been missed but I don't know. I've been trying,,,I'm gonna be getting with the Lhima HC Sherriff in Snake River, sorry, the Salmon - Snake and River-.Salmon Search and Rescue, to see what their thoughts on everything is, and trust me with such a small area, one hundred and seventy five people, there was nowhere to park, nowhere to walk, there was grid searches up from one end - there's ridges from one side to the other and they're not very far apart, and they was all searched, all the way down to the bottom all the way above the reservoir. The rest itself, not a lot of people know the place. The reservoir itself isn't but maybe a few feet deep. If you're up on top you can see the bottom of the centre. If you're looking at the middle you can see the bottom of it, so everything has been 100% thoroughly checked but nobody can guarantee me 100% so I'm gonna keep looking.

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Jessica: we'll continue to look until he is found - we don't care how long it takes, we, and we think as many people that have shared the story and continue to share his pictures and things like that, if somebody has him, they'll eventually bring him back...and they will come forward with some sort of information.
D: somebody will come forward wondering where this child has come from. That may not be the case, but it could be, so that's why we're trying to look at this aspect as well.
I: and you want people to keep sharing?
J: yes, please keep sharing photos.
D: yes. Keep sharing his photos, keep him in your mind, your hearts and your prayers, and just keep looking, keep your eyes open, please. Social media in general, in public just keep your eyes open and keep sharing.
I: tell me about the blanket.Jessica: this is his blanket. He doesn't go anywhere without his blanket, his cup, or his monkey, and all three of them were left at the campground. And since he..
D: All three has to be with him.
J: Yes.
D: He will trip over them if he has to, but they are going with him, and this is the first time since he's been born, pretty much, that he's been without these things...and that's another reason why we were wondering.
J: Yes, because this is the blanket that we brought him home in from the hospital, this is his, this is what comforts him and at all times.
D: This is an exact replica of a security blanket, for everybody this is his actual blanket - he does not go anywhere without it, that's our other concern of why.
J: Yeah, and I..
Interviewer: should he be out there and happen to see this, what would you say?
D: We're looking for you, son, and we will find y,oh, and we love you more than anything in the world. You have a lot of people who love you and who are looking for you, buddy, we'll find you - Daddy will find you.
J: We won't stop looking until we get you home.
I: [inaudible].- is there anything you want to add?
J: Just if somebody has him, please don't hurt him, just bring him home safely to us.

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D: No matter what it takes.
J: ..where he belongs. Even if you have to just leave him at a store where somebody else will see him and bring him home safely to us. I don't - just drop him off somewhere where -
D: And if that's not the case..
J: - somebody is at so they can see him and bring him home.
D: And if that may not be the case, I will, we will search for you, and search for you, and search for you, until we find you, no matter how long it takes, no matter what we gotta overcome, we will find you,son.

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Anonymous said...

Is it possible the blanket they have is actually a replica and his is with him. They go on about how it's a comfort to him and he goes no where without it but oddly refer to replica when talking about the blanket. In the baby doe from Massachusetts case they say it appears the person who placed her there cared for her because she was wrapped in her blanket. I would be curious if they do find him if he has his blanket.

Juliet said...

Thanks, Anonymous. I also wonder about the blanket, and the odd introduction of the word 'replica' - it seems too bad to suspect that the father knows what happened to him, but it's like as though he's inviting people to think that.

What's lacking from either parent is real pleading towards an abductor on the grounds that the baby needs his blanket, cup or monkey as much as he needs his parents - but shock does strange things to people, and the mother could hardly get a word in, maybe resigned to being 'she', ground down by kids, work, and an overbearing husband. Too much speculation on my part, though - mostly I find it hard to think these parents did anything, and maybe the father is being hyper in a bid to distract himself and others from what they didn't do to prevent the little boy no longer being with them.

Ali said...

I think that by "exact replica of a security blanket" he means the "embodiment of a security blanket".

MzOpinion8d said...

Re: the blanket, the point the father was making is that DeOrr never went anywhere without his blanket, yet they have it there, showing that he left without it. He wanted to emphasize to people that the blanket wasn't "just like (replica)" DeOrr's.

However, they said the blanket was in the truck, so of course if he went anywhere, he would have gone without the blanket, because how was he supposed to get it from the truck?

This makes me wonder if perhaps DeOrr was in the truck when they walked away, leaving him with his great-grandpa. Great-grandpa didn't pay very close attention because the boy was in the truck, and he couldn't get out by himself.

There was another adult with them - a male friend of great-grandpa's. He has not been interviewed or named by media, which I find odd.

Why does DeOrr Sr say Snake River instead of search and rescue? There's something important about it, but I don't know what.

Ali said...

Snake river is very important.

Anonymous said...

The Facebook page has some strange posts from the user... For example, "Thank for you everyones continued support. Little Deorr will not be forgotten. As of right now there are no new updates but we are keeping every ear open and new article that is posted . Please continue to post leads and stories. Thank you." They also mention their are two donations sites available.....

Kate said...

Foolsfeedonfolly "Little Deorr" isn't such a big thing. It's actually very common to preface a childs name with "little" when they're a Jr & since his fathers name is also Deorr it really didn't surprise me. We have two "juniors" in my family whose parents did the same thing.

Brad Lavins said...

Remember that this is not uncommon when the child shares the same name as Big Deorr the father. So they probably use this phrase a lot. That's why it sounds awkward to most people.

Anonymous said...

They're guilty of something...