Friday, September 18, 2015

Cynthia Whitlach Fired From Seattle Police


Cynthia Witlatch arrested and traumatized a 69 year old American vet, and when faced with the video evidence of what she had done, she lied.  See the analysis of this "fabricator of reality" with the link below.

 As noted when this happened, she was unafraid to construct her own reality even while telling the shocked elderly man that she was on video.  We do not know what trauma was suffered by the 69 year old vet, who had never been arrested.  For him, at his age, this meant that his hands were cuffed behind him; leaving him vulnerable after having been arrested without cause.  Next, he was forced away from him home and comforts, which, given his age, is something more difficult to cope with than by someone younger.  The restriction of hand cuffs, itself, is something that can trigger anxiety due to the vulnerability, but add int this his age, his lack of experience (never been arrested) and the vulnerability he felt from having done no wrong.  For him, there would be no way to resign himself to consequence because he had not done anything that he could perceive worthy of arrest.

It appears that she not only lied then, but refused to acknowledge what we saw on video, and lost her job, too.  She could have saved her job, but her ego would not allow for it.  Please take careful note that this highlights the pathological liar's response to being discovered.  The pathological liar has lied since childhood, and knows no other way.  When exposed, they can become obstinate, unyielding, and will often go on the offensive.  This "offense" can be physical attacks (she was armed on her job) or it could be in courts, like pathological liar Lance Armstrong used his money to destroy others.

Liars cannot bear the exposure and will "cut off their nose to spite their face" in the sense that they will not be able to humble themselves, and admit lying:  it is who they are, it defines them, and it is not something they can bear being exposed as.

Some liars, when exposed, will literally go through with threats of suit, knowing that they will have to answer questions in court about their crimes.  This appears to be self-loathing, but it is not:  it is a drive to silence the one who exposed the liar, even if it costs the liar everything.

It is the one thing in life the liar cannot abide.

The outright liar is a habitual liar and the degree of damage she can bring to a police department is not measurable, nor predictable outside of stating:  she will bring trouble.

She had some psychological issues, and craved "respect" to the point of driving around boasting of what she was going to do to American citizens to get the "respect" she so desperately needed.  Her racism was later projected on Facebook and her disregard of law and even policy is evident.

See analysis of Cynthia Witlach and video HERE and her post HERE to see how much risk she posed to the public, to justice, and to police, everywhere.

Seattle Police did the right thing for the public, for the Department, and for every honorable cop tainted by this liar.  If Witlach thought she was going to get away with her racism and illegal arrest, she miscalculated.


Seattle police chief fires cop who arrested man carrying golf club

Seattle Police Chief Kathleen O’Toole has found Officer Cynthia Whitlatch violated department policies when she arrested a 69-year-old African-American man using a golf club as a cane. Whitlatch accused the man of swinging the club as a weapon.
Seattle Times staff reporter


Seattle police Officer Cynthia Whitlatch was fired Tuesday over her arrest of an African-American man carrying a golf club as a cane, in what Police Chief Kathleen O’Toole labeled a case of biased and overly aggressive policing.
The closely watched decision stemmed from Whitlatch’s arrest last year of William Wingate, then 69, whom she accused of swinging the club as a weapon.
O’Toole sustained findings by the department’s Office of Professional Accountability (OPA) that Whitlatch violated department policies regarding bias, discretion and de-escalating confrontations.
But O’Toole modified findings that Whitlatch had no basis to stop Wingate or use minimal force while detaining him, determining the evidence was inconclusive.
Whitlatch, 48, defended herself throughout the internal investigation, insisting she acted properly. She also portrayed herself as the victim of discrimination because she is white.
O’Toole, in her termination order, cited Whitlatch’s defiance, noting that even in hindsight, Whitlatch had failed to recognize her misconduct and the damage it had done to community trust.
“Without this ability to learn from your mistakes, understand how you can improve and do better, and recognize your own errors, you are unable to effectively function as an officer,” O’Toole wrote.
O’Toole said Whitlatch’s response dissuaded her from considering Whitlatch for a lengthy suspension, disciplinary transfer to a unit that doesn’t interact with the public and removal from the sergeant’s promotional registry.
Whitlatch’s actions previously sparked strong condemnation from the community, including a February march of protesters carrying golf clubs as canes.
Ron Smith, president of the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild, issued a statement Tuesday, saying, “I am disappointed that Chief O’Toole caved into the enormous political pressure surrounding this case.”
Smith said the guild now will take up whether to file an appeal.
Wingate was arrested July 9, 2014, while on his daily 10-mile walk, using the golf club as a cane. Whitlatch stopped him on Capitol Hill and, according to official accounts, claimed Wingate swung the club in a threatening manner, striking a stop sign, while she was driving past in her patrol car.
The two engaged in a heated verbal exchange, captured on patrol-car video, in which Wingate denied swinging the club. Wingate was booked into jail for investigation of unlawful use of a weapon and obstructing a police officer.
O’Toole’s termination order noted Wingate showed no recognition of Whitlatch when she stopped him, saying “huh?” and “what’s going on” during the encounter.
Whitlatch raised her voice and repeatedly demanded Wingate put down the club, while he never acted in an “aggressive or threatening manner,” O’Toole wrote.

A closer look

City prosecutors pursued only a weapon charge, and Wingate agreed to a continuance of his case, under which the misdemeanor charge would be dropped in two years if he met court conditions.
Prosecutors later moved to dismiss the entire case after a former state representative raised questions about the arrest. A judge accepted the dismissal, and the Police Department’s deputy chief, Carmen Best, ultimately apologized to Wingate for his arrest and returned his golf club.
Whitlatch’s racial views subsequently emerged as an issue when it was disclosed that, within two months of the arrest, she posted a comment on her Facebook page in the aftermath of riots in Ferguson, Mo., over the fatal police shooting of an African-American man on Aug. 9, 2014. In her post, she criticized “black peoples (sic) paranoia” in assuming whites are “out to get them.”
The OPA had already looked into that matter, referring it for supervisory counseling.
But Whitlatch’s overall racial views led to an internal recommendation that she be fired over the encounter with Wingate. She claimed during the internal investigation that she was being targeted because she is white, and noted Best and the judge who dismissed the case against Wingate are both African American.
O’Toole, in the termination order, wrote that she was troubled by Whitlatch’s belief the decisions were race driven and “not the legitimate factual and legal analysis by thoughtful and dedicated public servants.”
“Your perceptions of race and other protected categories appear to be so deeply seated that they likely impacted the authoritarian manner in which you treated this man and your refusal to deviate from that approach towards an individual whose actions did not warrant such treatment,” O’Toole wrote.
An earlier department report noted Whitlatch had been previously disciplined and counseled for “unprofessional conduct,” including a verbal reprimand in 2002 over a traffic stop and a written reprimand in 1998 stemming from a personal dispute over $1.04 at a retail store.

”Extremely hostile”

Whitlatch told the OPA she detained Wingate after she heard a “big clank,” saw Wingate hit the sign with the golf club and deemed it was a “threat toward a police officer.”
She said she initially didn’t intend to arrest Wingate, but that he was “extremely hostile” and “more obstructive than almost anybody else I’ve ever dealt with.”
In a second OPA interview, Whitlatch acknowledged that she didn’t see Wingate actually make contact with the stop sign, but saw a motion, heard a clang and saw Wingate “glaring” at her.
O’Toole, in modifying the OPA findings, found it inconclusive whether Whitlatch lacked reasonable suspicion to stop Wingate. In turn, she also found inconclusive a finding that Whitlatch improperly used force when she held down Wingate’s wrist while searching his pockets.
O’Toole, as required, explained her reasoning in a letter to the mayor and City Council.
In a statement Tuesday, City Council President Tim Burgess said, “The chief of police has sent a strong and appropriate signal. Officer behavior that compromises public trust is not acceptable in Seattle.”
Smith, the police guild president, reiterated Tuesday his belief that the department “blatantly violated” a requirement to complete the investigation within a required 180-day limit. Police should have opened it in September 2014, when two commanders learned of the matter at a meeting with community members, not in January, according to Smith.
Wingate sued the city and Whitlatch in April, alleging race discrimination, false imprisonment, intentional infliction of emotional distress and violation of his civil rights.
Whitlatch’s Facebook post contributed to the police department’s development of a sweeping social-media policy that went into effect March 1, which bars officers from privately posting comments that reflect negatively on the department and its ability to serve the community.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is as Peter says, "Liars cannot bear exposure and will cut off their nose to spite their face." I am looking forward to Mark Redwine cutting off his nose during legal proceedings against poor Elaine. With a bit of luck he won't stop at just the nose.

Trigger said...

Here in Elizabethtown, Kentucky, we buried a young fallen officer today. It was a routine traffic stop. The cop was surprised by unexpected gunfire from the driver of the car.

The cop had on his protective vest, but the fatal bullet entered his heart through the armhole.

The cop was white and the shooter was black. Was this a racially motivated crime where the shooter's motive was revenge?
or another paranoid individual with a violent nature?

Let's weed out those cops who act unreasonable and lie about it like the one in Seattle.

We need our police force to weed out those violent offenders and criminals who would victimize good citizens.

Anonymous said...

lacked reasonable suspicion to stop
^^^
Since when does a cop need a reason to stop, harass, arrest a civilian?
The cops' hands are no longer tied.

Anonymous said...

"or another paranoid individual with a violent nature?"Note the use of "weed" twice making the word sensitive.

tania cadogan said...

The mccanns are already doing so, even going so far as to sue the now ex lead detective in the case for writing his book which holds them responsible for Madeleine's death, allowing for it to be accidental rather than deliberate.
They have also threatened to sue or had their very expensive lawyers sending out cease and desist notices stifling any discussion of Madeleine being dead, rather that she is still alive and not seriously harmed despite having been allegedly abducted by a paedophile (go figure)

I am still waiting for my official legal threat having only had one threat from an anon to close my blog or face being sued as my details had been passed on to the relevant authorities.

Juliet said...

Is your blog hosted on US servers, Tania? I don't think they can touch you if the blog is on a US server and you are in the UK. That used to be the case, but I'm not sure if that still stands.

Anonymous said...

Here is some banter within the scope of the text analysis:http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/28/what-facebook-user-cynthia-whitlatch-wrote-about-chronic-black-racism

Interesting had a black, gay guy made her for what she was.

tania cadogan said...

I don't know about that.

I have made it clear that i want them to take me to court as i want to use their own words against them.

Currently i have david payne as my uncles urologist and he is a complete cock and imbecile.
After i told him in no uncertain terms that my uncle was not going to be having a JJ stent inserted he replied that i couldn't compare a patients past history to future treatment.
he also told me that he would be using a telescope to see into my uncles abdomen to check his kidney.
After i went along the lines of WTH? he said a telescope again.
At this point i turned into Father Ted and explained in easy to follow language that telescopes were for seeing things far away, things like stars, planets and galaxies. He replied it would be a small telescope!
I then replied i think you mean a laparoscope or an endoscope.
he stomped off and uncle poked his head out of the sheets telling me not to upset him.
When we next meet i will have a printout of his statement describing Maddie with appropriately highlighted words and underlinings and analysis of same.
I will also leave lying around his rog statement again with appropriate colors and underlinings.

I am seriously pissed.

tania cadogan said...

AS an addendum, i knew i had him rattled as he started talking about chickens crossing the road, before he stomped off.

My ex CEO of the company i used to work for did a similar thing when i started asking awkward questions at a department meeting.
He got so rattled he refused to answer any of my questions, the result being i simply passed them to others in the meeting and got them to ask them.

He got even more rattled, started stammering and ended up referring to machine guns on the security towers.

He resigned not long after.

I wonder why? ;)

Juliet said...

Tania, I shouldn't laugh - it must be the way you are telling it. :) I am a bit worried about your uncle, though, I think I would move him somewhere else, but only after you have left the statement, and probably been escorted from the hospital by security, and before the good urologist manages to assault him with a telescope - how patronising - he thought you would understand what he meant if he said telescope, because laparoscope or endoscope would be too complicated - even saying 'a microscope' would have been less patronising. What a fabulous coincidence and opportunity, though - I'd be scared. I saw Jane Tanner once, a few years ago, when I was in Exeter - she had her little one in a pushchair and was waiting to cross the road. I felt terrible, but only for a moment - just the thought, these are real people, and we are saying all this crap about them, but it's they who have to walk down the street - but then, it's not crap, is it? Though a fair bit of it is. I feel sorry for their children, most especially for Sean and Amelie, who will no doubt become very conflicted young people once they are let loose on the Internet. I always wondered/suspected if those babies saw anything, and if they had residual memories which could have been drawn out by professionals, even though they were so tiny. Amelie knew she was being dressed in Madeleine's pyjamas, and babies don't lie. Still, better not start, as I won't shut up if I do. I hope you will tell us what happens next with the venerable Dr Payne. :)

tania cadogan said...

My uncle is begging me to behave and if i don't can he have a crash helmet, shield and a pair of reinforced undies.

I remind him i am always behaved, i am extremely ultra polite (always a bad sign)and i befuddle them with big technically correct language as i rip into them when they reveal themselves to be extremely dumb or ignorant and a relative or friend of mine is at risk of harm by their stupidity.

Whilst working with the public at KFC everyone knew the customer was always right unless i was on, in which case if they became a problem they either got sent to the back of the queue or sent to face the corner to think on their behavior.
Not once did i ever have a fight on my shift, everyone else had fights etc when they were on.
I had well trained customers hehe

Currently, i work for an online chat room, i am the funny staff member until trouble starts then i become the mean principal, the ruder the member the politer i get till they stomp off in a temper
It's hard to be a problem when everyone is ignoring them and the guide corrects their spelling and grammer and wishes them a great day

Juliet said...

Lol - I'm guessing that's an American chat room, or used mostly by Americans. I noticed your American spelling of behaviour - I used to spell American on account of it being easier and always being called out on my 'incorrect' spelling when I used British, but these days I gravitate more towards UK sites and so my auto correct chooses British English rather than American English, so now I'm back into BE, still I hate when people think I just can't spell. :)

I expect your uncle finds your Payne Project entertaining - it's boring in hospital. I would love to be a fly in the wall. :)

tania cadogan said...

Hi Juliet, you got it right, it is an american company with lots of americans as well as brits,aussies,kiwis, europeans tossed in for good measure.

My brother is forever correcting me when i use americanisms such as diapers, trunk, hood, sneakers,sidewalk, cellphone etc.

I have been working for them for 13 years and it is now second nature both speaking, typing and spelling.
I pick up accents just as quickly resulting in a very confused mountie at the calgary stampede who thought i was from texas and not the uk :)

Juliet said...

Tania - Ha, yes I get,criticised for Americanisms,too - I try not to, but I have European family and friends to whom English is a second language, and they were taught American English, so that, in addition to the chat rooms has made me quite familiar with it, but the British get annoyed with it already. lol - I find they hate 'already'. . :). I had a long conversation over our 'crackers for cheese' once, with an American guest, and some confusion over 'napkins' (linen) - lol, no they are not posh tissues, but whatever. :)

Anonymous said...

Tania, you don't know me and I don't know you, although I have read many of your posts. I was alarmed when I read your posts above concerning the proposed treatment a certain doctor intended to render to your uncle, and your ensuing questions (demands, actually) made to this physician. I am appalled. I thought you were smarter than this.

Don't you realize Tania, that this physician does not need you OR your uncle? That it is you/US who need them? That having disrespected him in the manner which you have done, that is, by questioning his knowledge, ability and authority; that it would be next to impossible for you to find another doctor who would treat your uncle? Don't you realize that some of these doctors actually walk around with hidden tape recorders on their person (nurses too); LOOKING for patients who will cause them trouble?

First they protect their high income stream, second is the cost of their medical malpractice insurance coverage, third OTHERS in their profession ('you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours'); lastly the patient. We are at their mercy Tania, and can't do a damned thing about it other than keep our lip buttoned, keep smiling sweetly, and look like we are dumb idiots. If you are smart, you will not let them know how smart you are. Hear me well on this, Tania.

You want to know what is recorded in your uncles' medical records, or your own? Sneak around sometime and get your hands on it if you can; you will be absolutely shocked at what you read in there that YOU or your uncle supposedly said. Are you not aware that every question and misunderstanding you create is recorded in their records including feisty comments you didn't make but are assumed to be your comments (deliberate lies) and that every other medical professional, even clerks and lab technicians are privy to reading these records?

Are you not aware that some of these people have ice water running through their veins and would just as soon see you/your uncle dead and disposed of in quick fashion? They see death everyday, so there's nothing questionable or mysterious about it to them. They think they are Gods making our/your judgment call, and one thing they DON'T need is you causing them trouble! To some you are less than a flea on a dog. They will squash you (your uncle) like a bug.

Where's your head woman! Are you not aware that the mistakes doctors and others in the medical profession make, whether deliberately or accidentally, wind up being buried in the cemetery leaving you with no further recourse? Aren't you even the slightest bit aware that these people protect their profession ($$$$$) at all costs? What is WRONG with you that you would create such an environment for your uncle; thinking you are being clever, but in fact you are exposing him to the possibility of a very quick exit from this earth? AND; good riddance to you, just another trouble-maker to them? You need to be apologizing to this doctor, PRONTO Tania, whether you want too or not, or were right or not. Yes, I'm very serious.

You might think you are protecting your uncle but you are NOT. You are exposing him to the ultimate 'accidental' malpractice that you would never be able to prove. If you were related to me, or just a friend, there is no way I would EVER allow you to become involved in any medical necessity I might have. You could very quickly get me killed. Yikes, Tania, THINK about the position you have placed your uncle in; not YOU with all your cleverness, but your poor sick UNCLE who is at their mercy. I hate to say it, or even think it; but I fear you have already dug the hole for him. I wish you the best in trying to repair the damage you have created for yourselves, and I mean this sincerely. Good luck. ABB

Anonymous said...

Tania, you don't know me and I don't know you, although I have read many of your posts. I was alarmed when I read your posts above concerning the proposed treatment a certain doctor intended to render to your uncle, and your ensuing questions (demands, actually) made to this physician. I am appalled. No pun intended, but I thought you were smarter than this.

Don't you realize Tania, that this physician does not need you OR your uncle? That it is you/US who need them? That having disrespected him in the manner which you have done, that is, by questioning his knowledge, ability and authority; that it would be next to impossible for you to find another doctor who would treat your uncle? Don't you realize that some of these doctors actually walk around with hidden tape recorders on their person (nurses and nursing stations at hospitals too); LOOKING for patients who will cause them trouble?

First they protect their high income stream, second is the cost of their medical malpractice insurance coverage, third OTHERS in their profession ('you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours'); lastly the patient. We are at their mercy Tania, and can't do a damned thing about it other than keep our lip buttoned, keep smiling sweetly, and look like we are dumb idiots. If you are smart, you will not let them know how smart you are. Hear me well on this, Tania.

You want to know what is recorded in your uncles' medical records, or your own? Sneak around sometime and get your hands on it if you can; you will be absolutely shocked at what you read in there that YOU or your uncle supposedly said. Are you not aware that every question and misunderstanding you create is recorded in their records including feisty comments you didn't make but are said to be your comments (deliberate lies) and that every other medical professional, even clerks and lab technicians are privy to reading these records? Your records precede you!

Are you not aware that some of these people have ice water running through their veins and would just as soon see you/your uncle dead and disposed of in quick fashion? They see death everyday, so there's nothing questionable or mysterious about it to them. They think they are Gods making our/your judgment call, and one thing they DON'T need is you causing them trouble! To some you are less than a flea on a dog. They will squash you (your uncle) like a bug.

Where's your head woman! Are you not aware that the mistakes doctors and others in the medical profession make, whether deliberately or accidentally, wind up being buried in the cemetery leaving you with no further recourse? Aren't you even the slightest bit aware that these people protect their profession ($$$$$) at all costs? What is WRONG with you that you would create such an environment for your uncle; thinking you are being clever, but in fact you are exposing him to the possibility of a very quick exit from this earth? AND; good riddance to you, just another trouble-maker to them? You need to be apologizing to this doctor, PRONTO Tania, whether you want too or not, or were right or not. Yes, I'm very serious.

You might think you are protecting your uncle but you are NOT. You are exposing him to the ultimate 'accidental' malpractice that you would never be able to prove. If you were related to me, or just a friend, there is no way I would EVER allow you to become involved in any medical necessity I might have. You could very quickly get me killed. Yikes, Tania, THINK about the position you have placed your uncle in; not YOU with all your cleverness, but your poor sick UNCLE who is at their mercy. I hate to say it, or even think it; but I fear you have already dug the hole for him. I wish you the best in trying to repair the damage you have created for yourselves, and I mean this sincerely. Good luck. ABB

Anonymous said...

Sorry. My post posted twice. Don't know how that happened, but it did. Oh well. Can't fight what is. ABB

Anonymous said...

SOOOO, ladies in the UK; is it true that Prince William and Kate Middleton are planning a divorce? American tabloids and supermarket rag mags say so. Your thoughts? Curious. You know, we love reading all that trash. TKX. ABB

tania cadogan said...

ABB

I am well aware of how the medical profession works, especially since i come from a medical family.

I have had to learn real fast about kidney failure, congestive heart failure and fungal infections of the liver (something so rare we had consultants coming in from all over the country to examine my uncle)

When i visit my uncle after i have said hi to him and the staff i go straight to his records and have a browse through them to see what his stats are, what treatments he is being given and not given asking appropriate questions and giving the staff a heads up on uncles behavior/language/minimisation and deception by ommision aswell as any new symptoms or pain he is in.
In uncles case SA has been used and will be continued to be used both on him and any staff he comes into contact with, I make sure all parties know what is happening, will be happening and won't be happening as applicable.

To date i have cancelled certain procedures and made my ire known when they have decided to do a procedure that will cause serious harm or kill him, his urologist , who is a complete cock has been told what he is allowed to do and not do (especially not do) and the staff have been told that i am to be contacted should said cock decide to do a procedure which i know will cause serious harm in the future, uncle has also been told the same if they are going ahead with any procedures.

To date my uncle would have died in 2013 if he hadn't texted me and i heard the notification sound ( we always said he wouldn't call a doctor till he was at deaths door, he proved us wrong by texting me with really bad spelling, such that i thought he's had a stroke)He was in 7 months with a 5% chance of walking out alive.

He would have died at least 3 times last year due to massive UTI's which resulted in long stays in hospital (again uncle when asked said he was feeling fine when i could see he wasn't and peeing what looked like pineapple juice)
He would have died several times this year again due to massive UTI's, accidentally pulling his nephrostomy tube out and said urologist attempting multiple times to reinsert said tube resulting in further damage to his kidney, leaking of urine into his abdomen and then that eaking out of all the holes in his body from the attempts resulting in a soaking bed.
Had said cock done a procedure he had scheduled uncle for had i not intervened, it would have killed him.

Currently uncle is back in 4 weeks and counting due to a huge kidney abscess caused by said cock of a urologist.

Uncle has told me that the staff like me and have nicknamed me the bodyguard.

As an aside, unlike America, we have the NHS ( national health service) where treatment is free from cradle to grave.

Anonymous said...

@TAnia and anon on the doctor discussion:
Rather weird, conspiracy and paranoia inducing conversation in the rawest of forms if you ask me (which you didn't and never will). Leads me to "think" (open for rebuttal) that you two are among the ones that would coin "toothache" to those not going along with the child missing/abuse scams and hysteria.

Anonymous said...

I figured someone would come along and dub my post paranoia when I made it; to you, I say 'wake up and smell the coffee' while you still can... Be forewarned, or stupid. You've got a choice. To Tania, best of luck. (BTW, it's not over yet). ABB

Juliet said...

ABB - it's not like that here - second even third opinions, you can get them without being considered a pain. Most are good, conscientious and care about their patients, listen to relatives, and do the best they can with the ever decreasing budgets available for treatments. It's the relatives who don't kick up a fuss at the time, who just clock poor care without complaining at the time, who are the problem - they often only decide to complain after their relative has died - these are the cases which hit the news and give readers in the U.S. the idea that we have a poor health system. We don't - it is for the most part excellent, and like Tania said, free from cradle to grave - if you want something outside of what is provided (which is still most things), or faster, you can go private - privately you will often see the same consultants, because the NHS doctors also work in the private sector. Some NHS treatment they send you to a private hospital - depends where you live, and how busy they are and who is available. Some of us have private health care but still prefer to use the NHS because we find it just as good and more convenient. Tania is not endangering her uncle because all the ward staff are aware of her concerns - there would be trouble if what Tania predicted had happened. It's those who don't kick up a fuss if they have any concerns who should have the ire, because they cost a lot in compensation claims later - they weren't concerned enough at the time to say, hey, doc - can you explain this better, or nurse - my gran can't reach her food, can you make sure it's put in her reach? Can we have clean bedding over here? Etc - they are sometimes short-staffed and don't have eyes in the back of their heads, but they take care to take good care of those whose relatives care. Of course all professions are apt to close ranks, but second and even third opinions are welcome, because they don't want to be later accused of misdiagnosing and giving the wrong treatment - it's not taken as an affront or cause for offence to seek another opinion, to question, or to ask for an alternative treatment. Tania is doing the right thing - you need to know how the health system here works to appreciate that, though. I'd still move uncle somewhere else, just because it must be stressing him at least somewhat to have Tania and Dr Payne glaring at each other over him as he lays in bed. :) It is a very interesting situation, I don't know what happens when a relative has an unrelated agenda regarding her uncle's urologist's 'private' non-professional life, but I should imagine, if it becomes head-on and outright confrontational, it might involve security. :)

Anonymous said...

tania cadogan: Would it be possible for you to change urologists to one that is not "a complete cock and imbecile"?

Anonymous said...

Give up the drama of actually being close to one in the McCann/Tapas group? LOL! Not happening.

Anonymous said...

What's up with so many British posters here not putting a space after a comma sometimes? John does it, now Juliet. ME did it, observer (maybe the fake observer), even the chimpy turd poster. I don't see American posters doing it, nor British posters at other sites I frequent. What gives?

Anonymous said...

Telescope -- Medical Definition
www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary.php?t=90024
Definitions: 1. An optic instrument used to visualize or photograph distant or out-of-view objects through magnification of the image or angulation of the reflected light. In medicine, usually combined with endoscopy. 2.

Juliet said...

anon at 8.33 - it's the bitty touchpad keyboard, with me. I waste a lot of time correcting with it as it is, because it auto uncorrects a lot - still have mistakes - it drives me crazy; unspaced commas are a detail too many :)

Anonymous said...

Juliet, thank you for your detailed post concerning the practices of medicine in the UK. I was unaware of this. I wish we had such a health care system in the US; course, it will never happen here.

This country is ran and controlled by Big Pharma, the granddaddy of all big money schemes (as we ALL land up in their hands sooner or later); The American Cancer Society who keeps the donations and charities rolling in the dough while they do nothing but claim 'research' for a cancer cure which they will never allow uncovered because it is THIS deceitful research that pays all their big fat salaries and keeps the money rolling in to support THEM; The FDA who barely takes a swat at a fly as they approve drugs and costly chemo treatments that they KNOW are killing us with their underhanded look-the-other-way practices; all our 'latest-cutting-edge' (hate that term!) elaborate medical machinery developers and manufactures and THEIR huge profits; and the hugely prosperous medical profession who reaps the benefits of ALL of the above; WHILE WE SLOWLY DIE and in some cases NOT so slowly.

God bless you all for not being subjected to the blatant robbery of the medical profession on a daily basis like we are in this country no matter which way we turn. It is a dead-end with nowhere to turn but around and right back to THEM.

Alas... only those who find themselves at their mercy as they fall into their final mistreatment by our medical profession in this country are aware of their impending doom being dealt out on them that they can do absolutely nothing about; until then, they don't want to see the truth or even want to hear about it. You all in the UK are indeed blessed.

Nonetheless, Tania, I would STILL approach your uncles' caretakers and physicians a little more cautiously. Like I pointed out above, it's not over yet for either your uncle OR you. Sudden 'accidents' DO happen. Mind your P's and Q's lady. No matter how self assured you are; be forewarned and use that smart head of yours for something besides a hat rack. STAY one step ahead of them IF you can. But therein lies the trick: "IF". Don't be fooled, you are dealing with people ($$$) who are a little smarter than you are.

It may be noted that a lot of people who have terminal illnesses in the US of A leave this country and seek better health care elsewhere when/if they can afford it; INCLUDING many of those in the medical profession who KNOW they or their family members don't stand a rats chance of surviving our health care system when their OWN rapidly approaching terminal illness descends upon them after watching others suffer for years at their mercy as they drag it out and bleed us dry. Ha (not really funny), many of those still have to come back to this country to die at the hands of their colleagues they were trying to avoid. It's NOT a pretty picture. ABB