Monday, November 23, 2015

Arrest in Amanda Blackburn Murder

Police have now announced the arrest of an 18 year old gang member, Larry Taylor, who appears associated with the prior arrest, which showed the strategy as collateral interviews likely yielded information leading to the 18 year old main suspect.  

Where does the case stand thus far?

Does the killer know Amanda Blackburn's husband, Davey?

Statement Analysis showed that Amanda Blackburn's husband revealed guilt in his statements, and did not deny association.  The unanswered question remains:

What is the source of this guilt?

Based primarily upon his language, though the former has circumstance to it:  

It is either association to the killer, or it is guilt from being freed from a marriage that did not propel his career as expected.  Here is why:

I.  Guilt from Within 

It sometimes helps to consider an account in general terms, where religious or political language is removed:

A man opens his own company and readily complains about his wife.  He openly and publicly states that it is a bad marriage, having a child was a trigger, and sex was frequently something to complain about.  In his company, he spoke using violent metaphors and even once, most inappropriately, used a gun as a prop.   He warned others, who were not likely to open their own companies that wives can really help the company or really hinder it.  

His wife agreed that the marriage was bad, but stated that it was bad due to the man being consumed by his company.  Indeed, everything the man talked about came back to the company and bringing in new customers.  

Then, as little as one month later, his pregnant wife is killed, and sexually assaulted. 

How would the man react?

He reacted by using the death as an advertisement for his company, and avoided speaking of love for, or from his wife.  He used his company's advertising slogans and even verbally connected his wife's death with free national advertising and boasted of how many customers her death brought in.  

He did not condemn the killer, nor express any fears of the killer, instead opting to continue his advertising campaign, repeating slogans and commercial jingles.  

His language showed guilt, by quickly moving from "I" to "we" regarding sensitivity towards her death, the killer, 

In Statement Analysis, we believe what one tells us, unless they give us reason not to. 

I believe Blackburn about his bad marriage, and I believe him about his quoting of the number who attended his memorial service and, in this sense, I believe him when he avoids saying "I love Amanda" and I would have believed him had he issued a reliable denial instead of giving a cagey avoidance that only increased the attention upon himself and his company.  


II.  Guilt from Without 

The interview process, along with a myriad of records will seek to learn:

Had the 18 year old, or his co-gang members, met or connected with the husband, Davey Blackburn, in any way, at any time.  

Is there a connection?

Did he meet them at school?  Did any of them visit his church?  Did any member hear him in his many complaints about her?

Specifically:  did they hear him complain about her sexually?

Did they ever visit his company?

The gym?

Is there anyone who knows him, and knows them, who may stand as a connection?

Police have not released the 911 call, but perhaps, with the arrest, will shortly.  

The next few weeks, we should expect the same intense thorough investigation that thus appears before us today.  

Conclusion:

Guilt is seen within the words, and what words are missing. 

 What is the source of the guilt?

This question remains unanswered. 

That his words and actions reveal crass opportunistic commercialism and obsession with business may be the source of the guilt. 

If there is a connection to the killer, it should surface.  

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Suzanne said...

Anonymous said...
LE said, and I quote: We think, er, some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be not guilty.
November 23, 2015 at 2:42 PM

Can you provide the link for this?

Boston Lady said...

So I think this bounces back to why did they kill Amanda and not any other people at home? What was different?

andrew said...

Wait a second, is that quote from LE accurate???

"I, think, er some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be guilty."

????

Where is this statement? Is it during the presser? If so, can someone provide an approximate time?

If this is an accurate transcription, wow.

Skeptic said...

I'm wondering, How much would statement analysis tell us if this crime had happened in the Amish community? Is that culture just so different from the average American's that the average American could not draw a lot of conclusions from statements?

As I've said before I do have some experience with the evangelical community, but it was a long time ago. I didn't pick up on much weirdness on anything I viewed before the murder, but certainly do on interviews from after. However, understanding that they are 100% convinced of the claims the Bible makes about everlasting life and that all things work together for the good of those that love The Lord - perhaps his remarkably optimistic reaction to his wife's "death" can be understood.

Anonymous said...

No. But what difference does it make? The news outlets do it all the time!

Anonymous said...

I watched the press conf twice and didn't hear that statement made....

CJ said...

Only one man was caught on surveillance cameras walking through the neighborhood that morning, but now the account is that three men walked up to the front door of the Blackburn residence and let themselves in. Does it follow that after a short while two of those men exited through the front door, and after a little more time, the third man exited through the front door of the house?

A house with a front door completely exposed to the street and neighbors, at a time of day when people were leaving their houses to walk dogs, take kids to school, and go to work?

https://twitter.com/justinlmack

Juliet said...

Maybe they should grill that boy about his grills. Wonder if anyone offered him new grills before he got to heaven.

MmphisPat said...

Anon at 2:47 gives a link to the press conference. The quality is not great and one of the speakers has throat difficulties. Is that quote about Mr. Blackburn accurate? I don't want to punish myself and hear them avoid most questions with "probable cause" statements. I've never seen a press conference like that. I don't know why they allowed questions at all!

I just want someone to explain why burglars would do one job, hop in an SUV (obviously full of loot & risk getting pulled over with it), then drive across town to rob another two homes in a cul de sac.

Re: the message calling me names
That was a first for me. Thank you for your kind words, friends.

Donna said...

PN got Jeanine Pirro's name wrong in his statement - he referred to her as Jeanine Shapiro.

GeekRad said...

Thanks for the notes on the press conference Lynda. Dang, I can't find any video for it. I want to hear the "We think, er, some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be not guilty." statement. The person making the statement isn't giving us a reliable denial.

Anonymous said...

"I just want someone to explain why burglars would do one job, hop in an SUV (obviously full of loot & risk getting pulled over with it), then drive across town to rob another two homes in a cul de sac."

____

I am beginning to think they are just monumentally stupid.

Skeptic said...

I'm not buying my own theories. He doesn't show grief, not even sadness. That is beyond weird, in any culture.

Anonymous said...

So according to the Indianapolis Star article, Larry Taylor confessed to the murder to witnesses. Still baffled at how the three would be able to be at two separate home invasions at the same time (05:30 a.m. timeline) unless there was a clear error in reporting which is highly believable considering how badly the media has botched this story.

Anonymous said...

Could someone please tell me that it has been confirmed that Amanda was transported to the hosp by EMS? I've read several places that DB drove her. I have not been able to find any reference to EMS. I found a couple of reports stating that an officer and Indy FD First Responders arrived at the scene to find the victim on the floor... and everywhere else I have only found vague statements that she was "rushed to the hospital" or "immediately rushed".

I seriously hope that he didn't. I would love to have confirmation of this, so I don't need to rewrite the post that I just lost. In that post, I pointed out from a retired paramedic's standpoint, why this would have been extremely deprimental and possibly even catastrophic to Amanda's
chance of survival or any favorable outcome whatsoever.

What really keeps me from believing he drove her, is that after the emergency personell arrived, I don't think he would have been allowed to move her. If he insisted, he would have had no assistance picking her up or carrying her, and even if he had managed to get her to the car, I cannot believe that an officer would not have apprehended him to prevent him from leaving.

CJ said...

Anon at 3:37,

This is an unconfirmed rumor. I don't see it as plausible, considering he had a 15-month-old child to take care of.

CJ said...

Anon at 3:37,

REDO:

DB transporting Amanda to the hospital himself, AFAIK, is an unconfirmed rumor. I don't see it as plausible, considering he had a 15-month-old child to take care of.

Anonymous said...

That would be nice to believe, but I can find nowhere that she was transported by ambulance.

Skeptic said...

Think about it. Even if you hated your spouse and desperately wanted a divorce - you walk in to find them viciously murdered. They are the mother/father of your child. You are not going to be ok one week later.

Anonymous said...

That would be nice to belueve, but I can find nowhere that she was transported by ambulance.

Anonymous said...

Eric Berman ‏@WIBC_EricBerman 15m15 minutes ago
Informant cited by prosecutors says Taylor said he shot #AmandaBlackburn when she charged at him, then stood over her and fired fatal shot.
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Ok, again I ask. If this happened exactly as the informant/Larry Taylor said it did. Where in the world is the dog? Dog see's his homeowner attacking a perp more than likely will also attack as well, no?

Anonymous said...

Update from INDY STAR -

2:44 p.m. update: Suspects Larry Taylor and Jalen Watson entered the Blackburn house through the unlocked front door, according to a press release from the Marion County Prosecutor's Office.

Watson and a third person took Amanda Blackburn's debit card and drove to an ATM. They picked up Taylor and fled, the news release said.

Taylor allegedly told his partners that he killed Blackburn. She had been shot three times, including a shot to the back of the head, the news release said.

MemphisPat said...

Anon at 3:37 and CJ,
He would have had to get the baby up and put him in a car seat, then drive her to the hospital. I just can't picture that scenario over calling 911.

Donna said...

Has anyone considered that maybe DB took the dog with him when he went to the gym?

MemphisPat said...

I don't understand why LE has not released the 911 recording nor why the press didn't ask for it today. It's still hinky.

Anonymous said...

Nice post, Memphis Pat @ 2:07. OF COURSE, we all wanted Davey to be innocent, but it IS a fact that Davey brought all kinds of suspicions down on his own head. You outlined many of them well. He was truly a louse of a husband and crummy leader/pastor of a flock as well. I can't imagine how sweet Amanda was able to stay with him. What a jerk. I couldn't have, and wouldn't have; pastors wife or not. After the first baby there wouldn't have been a second one.

As for him having been on some kind of mind altering drugs; I can't help it whether OPN disagrees or not, as if she is the only person here who has ever been exposed to the eyes and manner of speaking of the drugged; she is wrong. Many of us have had this exposure and YES we do recognize it when we see and hear it. Some of us have had to 'live' it. For myself, over a long period of time, years even.

This is not to undermine OPN or to question her abilities; perhaps she has been around so much of it that she has started to take it as being in a normal state of mind and body and no longer recognizes the signs; or perhaps many of those she had experiences with weren't on drugs at the time she was exposed to them, but I certainly was and I DO know it when I see it... AND hear it, and Davey exhibited every sign of substance abuse. BUT, for her to get all bent out of shape over it, does it even matter? Not. Go in peace OPH, we are not against you, hon. ABB

Anonymous said...

That is NOT a guard dog! It's an overgrown lap dog that gives others the illusion of guard dog. A guard dog will return to its home when new owners arrive to drive them out.A guard dog has to be baited out or poisoned.

MemphisPat said...

Donna, if that were true, I'd want to know if he always took the dog with him. Wasn't the dog Amanda's?

Donna said...

MemphisPat, I think the dog was Amanda's, but it wouldn't necessarily matter if DB wanted the dog out of there if he knew a killer was coming in. No dog, less risk of noise, etc.

Anonymous said...

The report I read said they recieved a 911 call and were dispatched on an assault. An officer and Indy FD arrived on the scene and found her on the floor. This report I believe. If police and fire dept were there, he would have left the toddler with them.

Anonymous said...

The report I read said they recieved a 911 call and were dispatched on an assault. An officer and Indy FD arrived on the scene and found her on the floor. This report I believe. If police and fire dept were there, he would have left the toddler with them.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

In concluding "Guilt, but unknown source yet" there is one area which Davey could have fooled me completely:

If he literally kept the suspicion level up by not issuing a denial to keep media attention on him, it is something I missed.

Opportunists sometimes go really far, and this guy feels no shame in doing "whatever it takes" to advertise his business, but if he, like "Mohammad Ali", used publicity, even negatively, to keep the spotlight, it fooled me.

Ali needed no public relations team. He got people so angry that they came out to see him.

Celebrities "misbehave" many times, thinly veiling their need for the spotlight, whether of their own design, or the publicist.

when the case is solved, the attention is dropped, but by keeping suspicion going, it got a lot of attention negative or not, for him and this is something he lives for.

Narcissists and boundaries are not always easy to match.

Peter

Anonymous said...

boxers are such gentle dogs. My friends had 3 boxers and when their house was robbed, the perps just locked the dogs into a room and that was that.

Jenny said...

Crazy Davey did something. I don't know what and maybe the authorities don't either, but I have every hope that his involvement will be discovered. In fact I will never believe he was not somehow involved. Perry Noble can go pound sand.

GeekRad said...

"We think, er, some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be not guilty."

I listened to the press conference and did not hear this statement. What I saw was in two parts so it may have been missed in editing.

MemphisPat said...

Thanks, ABB.
I spent a lot of my life watching drug abuse alter someone I love. Thankfully, his behavior was mellow, rather than DB's hyped up demeanor, but he realized he was killing himself and, thankfully, got clean. I hope your situation has turned out well. We now have a nephew and his wife who have drowned themselves in drugs and alcohol, been arrested for violence toward each other and permanently lost their 3 children. Our nephew's mother says he doesn't have the same eyes he once did. You understand that.

I hope all the people around DB will look closely and see that he and his demeanor read like someone altered by chemicals, whether he turns out to be involved in this crime or not. I don't think a person can stay "up" like that without a little help. This is merely an opinion though.

joni said...

This is the timeline LE is giving us?

- Three perps entered Blackburn home (no forced entry)
- Two perps took Amanda's ATM, left in a car leaving third suspect
- Third suspect stays behind (without a car) and murders Amanda
- Third suspect then waits for his friends to come pick him up

Is that what we're being told? The murderer told his friends "y'all go ahead and swing back by and pick me up"?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice during the press conference when one of the questions was something to the effect "There has been speculation that Davey Blackburn knew one or more of the perpetrators - is that true?" and the guy at the podium (white guy, don't know name), turned around and looked right at the black guy behind him who appeared to give him a non-verbal to say nothing, and then the white guy turned back around to the microphones and said "We have no reason to believe so."

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess there'll be some jumping all over me now, but I was just discussing this with a male friend of mine; that being, the approximate 2 /2 hours Davey was gone to the gum that morning and what could he have been doing since one normally only goes to the gym for an hour or so; and his response was "out meeting his mistress is what he was doing." "If he hadn't been meeting up with another woman instead of out screwing around on his wife he might have been there."

There you have it, the words from a man near Davey's age (a little older) who has not read or heard any of Davey's suspicious responses or talk of his ministry. Just a bland analysis from one man concerning another one. So the mind wonders? OH? Possibly? There IS that guiit factor, you know... ABB

Juliet said...

A different link to the press conference in case anyone couldn't access the periscope tv version ( I couldn't get it):

http://wishtv.com/2015/11/23/impd-arrest-made-in-amanda-blackburn-murder/

MemphisPat said...

But, Peter, wouldn't Davey have had to study SA and then do everything opposite for all those words to tumble out on purpose? The stuttering, no mention of love for Amanda, no mention of the baby at all, the pre-crime pattern of demeaning her, the marketing lingo and bragging about his numbers.
Not to negate that he wanted to prolong the attention and extend his 15 minutes of fame....I believe he did.
Bet we ain't seen nothin' yet though!!

andrew said...

So at this point, it is safe to assume that the unreliable denial of Davey's guilt by LE as reported in this thread is a complete fabrication, right?

GeekRad said...

Now that you mention it joni, that sounds ludicrous!!!!!! Swing back by and pick me up!

Anon at 4:16, I did notice that. I was waiting for the black man (police chief) to step forward and answer the question.

CJ said...

Peter,

If the numbers are any indication, his strategy isn't working—only 130 attended the Sunday Resonate Indy service.
https://twitter.com/resonateindy

The only other significant number is the amount of $$$ donated to the family fund. Considering the national coverage, I imagine this number is not insignificant and will go a long way to resolving DB's #1 worry, finances (Nov. 8 sermon).

However, I don't see how creating the appearance of guilt just to stay in the spotlight contributes to growing either his company's market share or the amount donated.



MemphisPat said...

But, Peter, wouldn't Davey have had to study SA and then do everything opposite for all those words to tumble out on purpose? The stuttering, no mention of love for Amanda, no mention of the baby at all, the pre-crime pattern of demeaning her, the marketing lingo and bragging about his numbers.
Not to negate that he wanted to prolong the attention and extend his 15 minutes of fame....I believe he did.
Bet we ain't seen nothin' yet though!!

Juliet said...

Maybe he took the dog with him and was walking the dog after he went to the gym. It's very strange that dog did not bark down the neighbourhood and draw attention if it was in the house.. It was Amanda's dog - it would've been going crazy, surely, unless Amanda had welcomed them into the house - not the case, as they entered through the unlocked door. So the dog was either already shut into a different room from Amanda, where it didn't bark - or it wasn't in the house or garden.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 4:16 and GeekRad,
Is there a way to link just that part of the presser? My brain can't take watching the whole thing but what you saw could be huge. Peter should see it.

Suzanne said...

Anonymous said...
Eric Berman ‏@WIBC_EricBerman 15m15 minutes ago
Informant cited by prosecutors says Taylor said he shot #AmandaBlackburn when she charged at him, then stood over her and fired fatal shot.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Update from INDY STAR -

Taylor allegedly told his partners that he killed Blackburn. She had been shot three times, including a shot to the back of the head, the news release said.


So how did she get shot in the back of the head if she was charging him?

Anonymous said...

Sorry about all my typing errors, should always proof, but you get the gest of it. My friend thinks Davey was out extra long that morning cheating on his wife after he left the gym, and he doesn't even know anything about Amanda's murder, Davey's ministry or their marriage... End of story. ABB

Juliet said...

Oh, sorry - just catching up, I see dog with Davey is already on here. Seems plausible.

Anonymous said...

Suzanne maybe she fell to the ground stomach first after being shot in the hand and torso?

Anonymous said...

Someone on Websleuths (I know) theorizes the shooter was having his gang 'initiation'.

The other two were older, he was willing and they left him there to do it...

Suzanne said...

Anonymous @ 4:33 said...
Suzanne maybe she fell to the ground stomach first after being shot in the hand and torso?

I hadn't considered that but that makes sense. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

the gang initiation theory dosen't hold up well if this tweet is true

Eric Berman ‏@WIBC_EricBerman 1h1 hour ago
MCPO: Taylor wanted to kill occupant of 1st burglarized home, talked out of it by accomplices. They were @ ATM when #AmandaBlackburn killed.
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Anonymous said...

I didn't see that @4:36. Thank you.

How horrifying for Amanda...

Anonymous said...

New article from NBC with more info...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-charged-murdering-pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-n467986

CJ said...

Anon at 4:36

If this is true (Taylor is a loose canon) why leave him behind?

MzOpinion8d said...

I posted a link on the previous thread that says emergency personnel transported her.

joni said...

Read this bullet point in this new story.


"Davey Blackburn was on the phone with a friend when he returned home from the gym that morning, but remained in the car talking for nearly an hour before he went inside and discovered Amanda suffering from gunshot and other wounds"

Seriously? He just happened to be on the phone and remained outside his house chatting away for nearly an hour? So did he come home at 730am?

http://www.wthr.com/story/30588474/stolen-car-denied-atm-withdrawal-provide-clues-in-amanda-blackburn-murder-arrests

Anonymous said...

new article....whoa
http://www.wthr.com/story/30588474/stolen-car-denied-atm-withdrawal-provide-clues-in-amanda-blackburn-murder-arrests

"Some of the new details that are emerging from the probable cause documents:

the front door to the Blackburns' home had been left open that morning
Amanda Blackburn had been assaulted as well as shot several times, but police couldn't find evidence of a sexual assault
Davey Blackburn was on the phone with a friend when he returned home from the gym that morning, but remained in the car talking for nearly an hour before he went inside and discovered Amanda suffering from gunshot and other wounds
police found a receipt for a denied $500 withdrawal from a Chase ATM on Michigan Rd. in the stolen Sebring, with the last four digits of the card on the receipt matching those of Amanda Blackburn's missing card"

"According to court documents, Taylor told Watson, Gordon and two others that he killed Amanda Blackburn because she "charged at him." He said he shot her in the upper body so he would not be scratched. Taylor then allegedly told his associates that "he leaned over her body and shot her in the back of the head. He leaned further, looked at her face, and watched her bleed."

Amy Smith said...

"Davey Blackburn was on the phone with a friend when he returned home from the gym that morning, but remained in the car talking for nearly an hour before he went inside and discovered Amanda suffering from gunshot and other wounds." http://www.wthr.com/story/30588474/stolen-car-denied-atm-withdrawal-provide-clues-in-amanda-blackburn-murder-arrests

BH said...

I can't count the number of times my wife has been sitting in the car for 45 minutes to an hour on the phone with a friend after getting home from shopping. Just sitting in the car in the driveway/garage on the phone.

Should I suspect her of hiring someone to kill me?

CJ said...

https://twitter.com/kennethwagner
"Love my weekly convos with @daveyblackburn! So refreshing to have a true friend to do life with". 10 Nov 15

This conversation?

Anonymous said...

DB being on the phone before going inside is nothing--like last poster said, lots of people do it. In my family, we all do it.

My big question is the ATM card. Since when do robbers ask for PINS and then go use ATM cards and NOT flee after that? What did this punk Taylor have to gain by staying behind? Presumably, they all wanted loot. The story about them considering shooting someone at first robbery that morning: Was this report from NPs? I haven't seen it before reading it here.

KD said...

I am just horrified at Amanda's last moments....i don't even have the words.

Amy Smith said...

Did they steal anything else from the Blackburn home?

Anonymous said...

Did they steal anything else from the Blackburn home?

Yes, great question, Amy. They stole TVs and jewelry from the first house, but an ATM card from AB. Odd. Very odd? Did they have her take it our of her purse?! They would have more likely just taken the purse with all her bank/credit cards. Nothing here is typical

Amy Smith said...

Where was Mel the dog? Did neighbors hear barking during this home invasion and assault? Will the 911 call be released?

Anonymous said...

'A denied $500 withdrawal' - so the ATM guys got nothing/no cash... did they force Amanda to give them her PIN? If she complied why we're they denied the withdrawal?

Sharon said...

Does anyone know the name of the homeowner 2 doors down that was broken into the same morning?

GeekRad said...

Anon 2 4:28, here is the link to the press conference. What you are looking for is in the second one, the shorter of the two videos.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30588474/stolen-car-denied-atm-withdrawal-provide-clues-in-amanda-blackburn-murder-arrests

Boston Lady said...

News Conference


What I was able to hear on the police press conference regarding Davey Blackburn was not what was posted earlier here. The reporter asked around 10:20

Reporter - There was a lot of suspicion that quite possibly the Blackburns knew their attackers or were connected to them. Can you say that this is not the case today at this time?

Speaker (I think D.A.) (looks back at the people behind him and than says "It is fair to say there's no reason to believe that's not the case"

That is what I heard.


http://www.wthr.com/story/30582162/man-questioned-in-amanda-blackburn-case-arrested-for-murder

Anonymous said...

Perry Noble uses words like "venemous" "ungodly" and "ruthless" to describe people who think Davey is involved in Amandas murder. Where is this level of disgust and anger toward the man/men who invaded the home of a pregnant woman and brutally, "ruthlessly" murdered her while her one year old baby was nearby?? Nothing about these people and their reaction makes sense. If they can find it in their hearts to forgive and pray for these vicious murders, why can't they forgive and pray for the "Internet bullies?"

Boston Lady said...

The comment at minute 10:20 was on the # 1 press conference from today. It's about 15 mins.

Anonymous said...

@Joni 4:15..
Add to the timeline that the owner of the 1st house on the street reported that the house had been broken into (not sure of the exact time, but I remember thinking it was while they were at AB's home.. did the cops come to check it out?)

Also, did the neighbors call 911 when they heard gunshots at 6:45 or so or was it later?

So, they risked the cops showing up while they hung around the 1st house on the street (i suspect they knew there were cameras or saw them).. then went to the 2nd house (go there, 2 guys leave), they fire at least 3 shots.. and the guy doing the killing isn't worried about anyone coming home or cops showing up on the culdesac street when his other buddies have to come back to pick him up on same street?? Crazy.

They must have known there was some level of security that they would not be caught while there.

Carnival Barker said...


DB was able to issue his bizarre statements and commence his media blitz within days of Amanda's murder, but the day they announce the murderer has been arrested he's suddenly speechless???

CJ said...

Anon at 5:04

Other reasons: Could be NSF, or $500 is over limit for daily withdrawal. In either case, I would wonder if the suspects followed up by trying to withdraw a smaller amount.



Sharon said...

I didn't know this part:
Her husband returned home from the gym around 7:30 a.m. that morning, but remained on the phone with a friend in the driveway until about 8:20 a.m., according to the affidavit. When he entered the house, he found his wife nude and face down in blood on the living room floor.

From here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/23/ind-police-arrest-teen-for-rape-murder-of-pastors-pregnant-wife-amanda-blackburn/

Anonymous said...

There was an in incident in New Orleans recently where a medical student saw a mugging and he jumped out of his car to help the lady and the perp shot him in the abdomen and when he fell to the ground in a sort of crutching stomach/fetal position, the perp went to make a kill shot in the head and the gun jammed. Pics were up at daily mail (caught by camera. Chilling). The med student last I read was in ceitical but stable condition.

Anonymous said...

'Re: ATM :' a second withdrawal for $400 was successful' from WTHR -probable cause documents.

Anonymous said...

Reminds me of the Carr brothers.

lynda said...

A direct question was asked by a reporter about rape/sexual assault and they did not say they "had insufficient evidence" he said there is NO evidence...big difference.

Once again, people that were and weren't there are tweeting and spreading misinformation. Jeez.


ANON @ 2:42 said
LE said, and I quote: We think, er, some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be not guilty.


Where was this stated? They did not state this in the presser. The DID say however that the investigation is NOT closed and if further arrests are necessary, they will make them.

MzOpinion8d said...

http://abc7.com/news/pastors-pregnant-wife-fatally-shot-in-indianapolis-home/1080909

Says emergency personnel transported Amanda

Anonymous said...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn

What do you make of this timeline and report?

KD said...

So DB left the door unlocked and talked for an hour outside before going into his house, while his wife bled out. If I were him I would never be able to forgive myself. Ever. I realize he's a pastor and has a strong faith, but there is just no way I would be able to function after a) something this horrific happened and b) knowing I might have prevented it by locking the door or possibly even saved her had I not been on the phone.

Poor, poor Amanda. My heart goes out to her for her suffering.

Anonymous said...

So this murdering asshole closed the door behind him when he left?

I guess so be cause I assume if Davey Blackburn pulled up to the house he would notice the door ajar or wide open?

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Amy Smith said...

8:22 a.m. – Davey Blackburn calls 911, reporting he's found his wife injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn

Anonymous said...

Her husband returned home from the gym around 7:30 a.m. that morning, but remained on the phone with a friend in the driveway until about 8:20 a.m., according to the affidavit. When he entered the house, he found his wife nude and face down in blood on the living room floor. At an afternoon news conference Monday, Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said there was “no sufficient evidence to file sexual assault charges.” Washington post

GeekRad said...

I am going on the record as saying I don't believe Davey had anything to do with it. These were just a bunch of low life thugs gone very bad. Taylor admitted to shooting her because she was charging him. The guilt could be for a lot of reasons, including not locking the door, being at the gym, being on the phone. Or guilty about not grieving over her death. Whatever the reason he is still put himself before Amanda or Weston and he brought on our suspicions by his behavior and his words.

CJ said...

Boston Lady,

Thanks for the press conference links. I listened about six times and heard this:

Reporter - There was a lot of suspicion that quite possibly the Blackburns knew their attackers or were connected to them. Can you say that this is not the case today at this time, this was totally random?

Speaker (I think D.A.) (looks back at the people behind him and than says "It is fair to say there's no reason to believe that is the case."


Samantha M. said...

I am diagnosed BPD, and I also agree with your analysis but for a few points. It's rare for men to be diagnosed BPD, even if they fit the criteria. Men tend to get Narcissistic Personality Disorder, women are labeled as borderline. However, I do believe more men are borderline with narcissistic tendencies than will ever be correctly diagnosed.

People with BPD are performers, entertainers, yes, and while I'm considered low on the spectrum (high-functioning, have a full-time job, etc), I don't know any borderline, nor have I heard of one, that naturally lapsed into a grandiose "we" simply due to lack of identity. I have tied my identity to others, and "we" have done things together, but I'm always talking about two people, not me, or referring to myself as the singular face of a group organization. I think it's actually what you said - his identity is so closely tied to the church, perhaps in a Messianic way, that he's developed the "we" to refer to "the church" and all the congregants overall. Davey is the church. The church is Davey. One cannot exist without the other - at least in his mind.

I cannot bring myself to watch the videos - the descriptions are bad enough. Davey seems NPD, if not BPD with narcissism and a healthy dose of it. Regardless, the most frightening thing is that it's all *untreated.* I'm highly aware of my own emptiness, lack of identity, lack of intimacy skills and coping... and that's after seven and a half years of treatment. If I could control it, I wouldn't need therapy. But I can't. I can recognize the emotional freight train, the improper level of reaction, the rumination, irrationality and anger. But I'm also unable to stop them in their tracks. And that's with concentrated, dedicated treatment, group therapies, etc. A man like Davey scares me witless. I can only imagine the fear his wife felt.

My only speculation, from a BPD perspective: what if she wanted, or tried, to leave him? Or, maybe even more dangerously, what if he *thought* she wanted or had tried to leave him? I hate you, don't leave me. If I can't have you, nobody can. If you don't know BPD, none of that will make sense. If you do, you get exactly what I'm saying.

MemphisPat said...

It seems so unexpected that the burglars would strip her of her clothes and not sexually assault her. If this were a Criminal Minds episode, this would be explained! One more weird thing in this case. Tomorrow I refuse to be obsessed with this!

Samantha M. said...

Amanda isn't part of Davey's identity, the church is. The only way she might have been involved is if she tried to leave him. He resented her, but he "needed" her to portray an image. If she tried to get out, or he thought she was trying to get out - either of those could have had the same effect. FTR, I am a borderline. I've been in therapy for over seven years, high-functioning, and under no illusions about what borderlines can be like. I also try to educate others about them so that they might be better understood (not forgiven, but understood). If you know BPD, you know the classic like: I hate you, don't leave me. But in this case, it really wouldn't be leaving him (not on a personal level, he could not have cared less about that) but leaving the church, which would in turn ruin him. MOO.

CJ said...

So in regards to the press conference, which part of the reporter's question was the DA answering?

Part one: There was a lot of suspicion that quite possibly the Blackburns knew their attackers or were connected to them.

or Part two?: Can you say that this is not the case today at this time, this was totally random?

DA — It is fair to say there's no reason to believe that is the case.

Tania Cadogan said...

Reporter - There was a lot of suspicion that quite possibly the Blackburns knew their attackers or were connected to them. Can you say that this is not the case today at this time, this was totally random?

Speaker (I think D.A.) (looks back at the people behind him and than says "It is fair to say there's no reason to believe that is the case."


If this is an exact quote, is the speaker telling us that it was not a totally random case?
If it wasn't random then it was premeditated.

Bradbury said...

Is it possible she had just gotten out of the shower and was not yet dressed. That seems possible given that time of morning.

Anonymous said...

For anyone who defends this open sex talk type of ministry and thinks it's just hunky-dory, peachy creamy, a-okay; it is not. I will use just one tiny scripture that I have seen Peter Hyatt post on more than one occasion, I submit:

"From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

The church and the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT the place for open sexual conversation or counseling. Urging souls into repentance is the entire basis and foundation of the Christian church, which has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction. Anything more or less is a deterrent to the plan of salvation.

Davey Blackburn and his ilk are obsessed with sex. As illicit sex takes it's hold, satisfaction becomes harder to attain and the body wants more, more, more until it is an obsession, including debasing one's own body for the pleasure of sexual satisfaction.

Davey Blackburn had to be monitored on at least two computers to keep him away from porn and other sex sites. This doesn't surprise me but also reiterates that he had become addicted to sex, to such an extent that his own wife could not satisfy him sexually. He wanted and need more, which he no longer even bothered to hide, insulting and humiliating his wife in his own debasement. He was a sinner and a backslider and had no place in the pulpit.

Further, he had no feelings of remorse or genuine grief over the loss of his wife and unborn daughter, or in the horror they experienced in Amanda's brutal murder. He had none because he felt none. His heart has turned cold as if God had given him over to a reprobate mind.

It is not humanly or spiritually possible not to experience grief and heartache upon the death of your loved one, no matter how the person died. It simply is NOT humanly possible, yet he was unable too. Very sad. I hope he repents quickly and turns back to God, his first love, as his soul truly is at stake.

We cannot know the love of God, turn away from it and turn back while continuing in our path of deceit and debasement and (in at least one case right here on this thread) deny the presence of the living God and his son crucified whom we are to follow and not our own distorted and misguided schemes; that is, if God will even take us back. Davey needs to turn back and find some Godly sorrow for his wifes' tragic passing and repentance for all those he has misled in his pulpit. ABB

Unknown said...

Hi OPN,

The police said that he was 100% cleared the day of/day after the shooting happened...before they knew the name of the shooter, or had any ability to check for a connection between them and DB by forensic examination of phone records, emails, social media, etc.

We note 100% as a qualifier, which weakens the statement. LE may have known he wasn't the shooter on day one, but there was no way for them to investigate his possible connection to the shooter.

The idea of Davey having some sort of connection to 'thugs' is not that far fetched. The sister of one of the subject's spoke of how her brother was working to turn his life around, and as such he could have had contact with DB as a pastor, or perhaps through a community outreach program, etc.

Or, he could have had elicit contact with them, such as a drug connection, or he could have crossed paths with one of them in his Crossfit/gym lifestyle.

There's still plenty of investigating to be done now that a suspect has been arrested!

Anonymous said...

::BH said...
Everyone here is so desperate to figure out how DB is guilty.

Are any of you willing to admit that you MIGHT be wrong and he could be innocent?
November 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM::

Good luck with that, BH.

The regular posters here (i.e. MemphisPat and her ilk) will never admit being wrong. They are scum.

Anonymous said...

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburn-case-murder-arrest-made-monday/76246780/

From the comments section:
The coven of screeching banshees over at Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis website are still clawing for ways to blame the husband for this.

CJ said...

tania @ 6:04

I wish Peter would weigh on this. A couple more things, "It is fair to say" is an interesting qualifier. Secondly, the reporter asked about the "Blackburn's knowlege/connection" rather than (specifically) DB's.

Unknown said...

Hi BH,

I think everyone has said that they would actually like to be wrong...as horrific as Amanda's murder was, the idea of her husband being behind it makes it even worse.

I'm just not willing to dismiss all of the red flags in his behavior and language until any connection to the shorter has been investigated, and eliminated. LE couldn't even begin to investigate any connection until they identified the shooter, so their investigation is not over by a long shot, despite their '100%' comments on day one.

They now have phone, email and social media records to review, gym and church contacts to interview, etc. (If they're doing their job, and not snowed by Davey's pious, 'I'm too holy for grief' routine, that is!)

momofmany said...

The facts are friendly. They have no agenda. SA presents facts based on CD's own words. For CD sympathizers, the facts that cast CD in an unsavory light are not to blame. However, those facts do elicit emotional responses from both sides. I respect how graciously and intellectually MemphisPat and others have responded to the name calling. I have learned much from this site and the people posting.
I am still hopeful, however, that the investigation will continue. There are so many unanswered questions.
Bradbury, Amanda was dressed.

Anonymous said...

Coven of screeching banshees? If Blackburn hired Taylor to whack his wife, believe me, the IMPD already knows about it and is preparing the probable cause affidavit as I type this. The "babysitter" could be a co-conspirator.

Chuck Cheesehead said...

Forensically, could "mixed DNA" (semen from both CD and LT) be differentiated and separated in a lab?

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OPN said...

Here is where you can find sources of Davey's "guilt" even though he wasn't involved with Amanda's murder.
http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/blackburnpc.pdf
He left the front door unlocked.
His wife was beaten to the point where her tooth was knocked out.
She was found nude with her panties beside her.
Davey was on the phone with a friend at 7:30 am when he arrived home. He sat in the driveway of his home and talked to this friend until 8:20 am before going inside and finding Amanda murdered.

REMEMBER TO READ THE GANGSTA THUGS' STATEMENTS. They snitched on each other and are definitely the monsters who killed Amanda.

Juliet said...

Bradbury - it does not sound as if she had just got out of the shower:

'Because the victim was pregnant, prosecutors said they would consider filing additional charges tied to the fetus. Although her underwear had been removed and her shirt pulled up, they said there was no evidence to support sexual assault charges.'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-charged-murdering-pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-n467986

Maybe the assailant intended, or if hired was meant, to rape her, but didn't go though with it and just made it look that way.

MemphisPat said...

ABB and Jen Ow, such wisdom tonight.

The Beckster said...

Where is the link to LE saying "We think, er, some of uh, us, believe this Mr. Blackburn be not guilty." ??

Unknown said...

With his behavior as off putting as it has been, it really makes you wonder doesn't it Peter!

Perhaps he watched "Gone Girl" one too many times, and figured, 'hey, I'm going to make me famous either way...let's fan the flames of this fire'?

CJ said...

Chills.

On Sunday Nov. 8 he preached:

"Well God, what about that, what about, what about that, that relationship; she made, she said that thing to me, made me so mad, fight the battle! Do the judgment thing, BAM! DO IT! (Hammering motion)

There’s a verse in Psalms that says “break the teeth of my enemies,” right? That’s what you feel like. What about that?

God’s going, um, yeah, I already told you that you needed, you needed t–. you needed to release bitterness in your heart and, and go and approach her and forgive her for what she said. That’s your battle to fight, that’s not mine.


Chuck Cheesehead said...

If CD sat in his driveway for an hour babbling on his phone, didn't he find it peculiar that Amanda and Weston didn't wave to him out the front window?

maudes harold said...

Well, if The Best Is Yet To Come, how does DB's life get better since his wife is dead?

MemphisPat said...

Thank you, momofmany. I like your point that the facts have no agenda.
I'm always saddened when people resort to name-calling, aren't you?
It seems to stop any sort of intelligent dialogue.

CJ said...

Chills, part 2.

From Song of Song series on How to Win A Fight, DB preached:

(QUOTE)So here’s what’s happening with this couple.

He’s not getting what he wants. She’s expecting him home and he’s not been home, and she says this—he’s at the door knocking, and this is what she says:

“I’ve taken off my robe, must I put it on again?”

This is the equivalent, guys, of “not tonight, honey, I’ve got a headache.

RIGHT?! Every dude is, like, “Ohhhh, dang it.” She’s like … “do I have to put it on again?”

“I’ve washed my feet, must I soil them again?”

Neither one of them in this situation is thinking about the other person, they’re only thinking about themselves. He’s like “I’m out here in the rain, I’m getting soaking wet, she’s like “I’m warm in bed, I don’t wanna—.” They’re selfish, and it’s tearing into their relationship.

Now something interesting happens in verse four, it says

“my beloved thrust his hand through the latch opening, and then …“

—look, so as he’s trying to open up the door, it says this:

“… my heart began to pound for him.”

Now one of the things I do as a pastor is research like crazy to figure out what the heck these things mean. And I researched like crazy, because here’s what I wanted to know.

I wanted to know “why did she all of a sudden change her mind?”

What, like, what in the WORLD prompted her from going from such DISDAIN to all of a sudden she’s like—“ahhh, pitter patter goes my heart.” Right. What,—how in the, — and I’ve researched commentary, after commentary, after commentary, and this is what, this is what I finally landed on:

NOBODY KNOWS ‘CUZ SHE’S A WOMAN!!!

If you’re a lady in here don’t look at me with those eyes, because sometimes you don’t even know why you changed your mind, right?

She changes her mind, and it’s like “WHYYYYYY?!”

But she does. And it says this…,

“…I opened for my beloved, but my beloved had left. He was gone.
My heart sank at his departure. I looked for him, but didn’t find him. I called to him, and he didn’t answer.”

So now all of a sudden there’s not just tension in the relationship but they’re separated. And look, this is probably one of the most disturbing verses I’ve read in Scripture, and I need you to feel the weight of this.

It says in verse seven,

“As she goes out to find him, the watchmen found me as they made their rounds in the city. They beat me, they bruised me, they took away my cloak, those watchmen of the walls.”

Don’t miss this. Because of the conflict that took place in this relationship,
HE runs away,
SHE goes trying to find him,
and in the middle of the night she gets raped.

Listen to me:
Devastating things happen when we don’t resolve conflict properly.

It will destroy a relationship, and—listen,—it will destroy YOU.

Chuck Cheesehead said...

November 8, the date of his last Resonate "sermon", was exactly 100 days after Amanda's 28th birthday. There must be some biblical significance?

Unknown said...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn

Timeline of Amanda Blackburn murder as given by IMPD.

Anonymous said...

So was the DA statement an intended double negative? Is he telling us DB is still in consideration?

How masterful these officials are that everyone thinks they said so much but they also said so little.

My curiousity is piqued.

Are they trying just a wee bit to turn some heat up on DB?

After all, their press conference left us with many open questions instead of shutting us down.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, CJ. That's been bothering me for days.
Are these things coincidences or are they stepping stones to further the story?

GeekRad said...

Peter has weighed in repeatedly. He concluded guilt, but presented scenarios for guilt that do not include guilt in her murder.

Anonymous said...

I live in the area... tonight they said Amanda "charged" at the killer. That's why he shot her. This gets more bizarre as time goes on. Right, a tiny little pregnant woman with her child sleeping upstairs is going to "charge" at the intruder. Umm, ok. They are also back to saying she was not raped. -TJC

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Chuck Cheesehead said...

Why did the 3 thugs drive 17 miles from San Clemente Dr. directly to Sunnyfield Court to continue their "treasure hunt"? Weren't there hundreds of ripe targets in between? Did CD know his neighbor Alison Becker's work schedule/daily routine and instruct the trio to burglarize her home first as a diversion? Did he notify them that his front door would be unlocked? Did he tell them the dog's name and provide treats to pacify the canine?

Juliet said...

The guy who tweeted (Wagner?) that he enjoyed his early morning chats with Davey - I wonder if he regularly tweeted 'alibi' sounding tweets or if Davey maybe asked him to tweet, to 'prove' to Amanda that he'd been chatting rather than doing anything else during that time - but not really for Amanda's benefit, obviously, just to make a feasible sounding reason as to why he spent an hour in the car rather than going straight back into the house that day. If he arranged it, he would want to delay the discovery, just to be sure she was dead, or beyond saving, if not quite dead.

I am still thinking Davey is involved - no rape, but an appearance of rape - sitting outside for a whole hour - I'm not buying that hyper Davey regularly did that.

Why does Davey need prayer because of trolls - in this case otherwise known as public opinion? Why not prayers for his state of mind upon confirmation of three vile thugs entering his house through the the unlocked front door, and one of them murdering his wife and unborn child - that should be uppermost in all their minds, but they're fretting about what people are saying online. If Davey is innocent, he has nothing to worry about - he'll be vindicated soon enough.

What is 'justice levied' - I don't know what that means.

Anonymous said...

Yes, OPN, that list of woulda coulda shoulda is truly truly tragic. Amanda may have almost been saved had davey done one of several things differently,

Yet he shows zero emotion regarding it. He comes across as having no hunan range of feelings.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 7:08
It is for this reason the media will make him one of their own. They could care less about anyone else- their safety, their family, their friends...he'll fit nicely.

Amy Smith said...

If the suspects were burglarizing another home across Indy, the storyline that they saw Davey leave for the gym at 6:11 am and saw opportunity may not be true?

Anonymous said...

momofmany said...
The facts are friendly. They have no agenda. SA presents facts based on CD's own words. For CD sympathizers, the facts that cast CD in an unsavory light are not to blame. However, those facts do elicit emotional responses from both sides. I respect how graciously and intellectually MemphisPat and others have responded to the name calling. I have learned much from this site and the people posting.
I am still hopeful, however, that the investigation will continue. There are so many unanswered questions.
Bradbury, Amanda was dressed.

November 23, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Let's analyze this, shall we?

MemphisPat identifying as "Intellectual" and "Gracious":

MemphisPat said...
Andrew, I enjoyed your comments and look forward to reading more of them.

Anon at 10:22, "the luckiest little psychopath in the world" could be Davey's new slogan! So funny, yet not.
November 23, 2015 at 10:49 AM


MemphisPat said...
BH, I'm not will to do that until DB says something expected and believable. Then I will and I'll apologize....except for that part where he made a sweet girl's life miserable.[NOTE: NOWHERE DOES AMANDA BLACKBURN SAY THAT SHE WAS MISERABLE. TROLLS LIKE MEMPHISPAT ARE PUTTING WORDS IN A DEAD WOMAN'S MOUTH} And, whatever he says now, I don't think he should be teaching young people from the pulpit or anyplace else.
November 23, 2015 at 10:52 AM


MemphisPat said...
If the far-apart robberies did happen in the same day there was some weird planning involved. If the thugs were just randomly burglarizing houses there must have been more than a few possibilities closer to the first, no? Add this to the list of odd things surrounding this crime. More reasons DB would be "the luckiest little psychopath in the world"!
November 23, 2015 at 12:28 PM


This is just a tiny sampling of MemphisPat's comments on this website. There are many,many more,as obviously, this "woman" has nothing better to do with her time than being a troll.

The "facts are friendly, momofmany [I feel for your 'many' children]?

What does your signifier of 'CD' stand for?

Most refer to Amanda's husband as 'DB' - Davey Blackburn.

You choose 'Crazy Davey'. Very friendly there, 'mom'. No agenda at all.

I'm SURE* that Amanda is looking down at your 'momofmany' posts and is applauding you for your obliviousness.

*sarcasm

Juliet said...

CJ - scary, isn't it? He says he's a strategist and a risk taker. If someone tells you something about himself, believe him? All this is not coincidence, IMO.


Anonymous said...

Don't feed the trolls or respond to personal insults, peeps, it just brings down this site.

Ignoring them requires a modicum of maturity.

Anonymous said...

Peter, here is a blow by blow of the events it seems: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-charged-murdering-pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-n467986

They state the front door was unlocked!

Common for these type of people. Anyone that lives around them lives in constant terror. The police normally will not provide protection for women so they have to pay their extortion traps. If and when they are finally murdered, they hope to profit off their carcass.

When I left, I made sure they knew they wouldn't be dealing with an airsoft...one brought his mommy along to make sure he could pull his crap.

Anonymous said...

I can't help but to wonder if this case has already cost PN money. I mean I'm sure it has cost him money-- maybe even people/membership. If DB turns out to have done this, it seems PN could be looking at much financial damage. Therefore, I conclude that PN has a great stake in keeping heat off DB, or in the least that he and his fellow pastors really really really need to believe DB had nothing to do with the murder,

Anonymous said...

The Fox 59 thing somebody posted above said their name & address.

Anonymous said...

Anon troll at 7:39

Learn the science of this site.

Anonymous said...

Alison Becker, per Anon post at 11:13 am (above). Fox 59 was their source.

Anonymous said...

Blackburn's mouthpiece dedicated EIGHT paragraphs to scolding those who have dared question the actions/behavior of a man who appears to have experienced no sorrow whatsoever over the brutal rape and murder of his wife.
I will continue to ask "uncomfortable'" questions until I'm satisfied the most important questions have been answered. Perhaps mouthpiece should consider the fact "internet trolls" actually want JUSTICE for Amanda and her unborn child.
-Mary

buddy said...

chuck cheesehead,

A black suv was seen by many casing the 'hood the early morning prior.

maudes harold said...

Mary,

Methinks the mouthpiece doth protest too much.

Juliet said...

CJ - re your Chills 2 post - Davey would agree - it's not coincidence - he'd say it was all part of God's plan. He's probably penning his next series of talks now, entitled 'Poetic Justice' - and he'll have Tupac songs to accompany him. As Perry Noble, his mentor, knows 'there's something not right with that boy'. He must be finding it all a bit of a conundrum.

Boston Lady said...

If I had left the door unlocked and the murderers were able to walk in, I would be slain with guilt. Now, I have issues with guilt. I grew up Catholic and oldest of my siblings. Lots and lots of guilt. So I can't even read this without feeling guilty! I'm not saying DB is not feeling guilt but I don't see it in his statements. Is this why we see markers of deception? Is this why he cannot say "I" and take responsibility and must use "we" to share the guilt?

In addition, DB sat in the driveway for almost an hour talking on the phone while Amanda lay on the floor bleeding to death. What happened to her was so horrific I am not able to stop thinking about it. As I said earlier, Amanda saw true evil that morning.

If this was as random as the police are indicating, it makes me feel fear. Like a horror movie I saw a long time ago - Last House On The Left - it was a randomly chosen house that the murderers invaded. This is the real life version.

Sharon said...

Boston Lady - I've known this is a dangerous city - but to what you are saying - this makes me realize how truly dangerous it is. I can relate to your realization of fear.

Sharon said...

Samantha M - I can relate to everything you were trying to explain in your posts.

Unknown said...

Cpr is most def used on people with a beating heart. Come on. Let's not get silly.

Anonymous said...

Peeps,
Davey at 8:04?

lynda said...

Something is really hinky with this timeline..haven't quite figured it out tho but offhand I would say that it is far to "tight"...almost overlapping at times between Davey and offenders. Will post more later

Anonymous said...

No, anon at 8:04, it means I have a modicum of maturity and as a long time reader of this site, I don't want to see it dissolve into a pissing contest of opinions, especially ones not based upon the science this site is about. I'm interested in the principles of this science and its applications. Opinions can be a part of that, name calling need/should not be. Attack the science if you wish/can, not the posters.

I'd love for people to view this site as Peter's home and that we've been invited and to act accordingly.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Maude,
Quote: "Methinks the mouthpiece doth protest too much."
Exactly! In addition, I'd like to add that if my husband was brutally violated and murdered and I happened upon internet talk about my possible involvement I really wouldn't give a s*it. Think about it. WHY would mouthpiece and Blackburn CARE about the opinions of internet people?! Shouldn't they be more concerned about Amanda's killer(s)? Shouldn't they be more concerned about Amanda's suffering? Shouldn't they be more concerned about her killer(s) being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Good god! It's appalling to realize MORE concern comes from "internet trolls" than from those who claimed to have known and loved Amanda. She suffered SO MUCH and all they care about is defending Blackburn's name/business/church/image. I know this for a fact: If my husband came home to find me with a bullet in my head the LAST thing he would care about it online sleuthing or the opinions of other people; the man would be on his knees and he certainly wouldn't be courting the media and trying to get free publicity out of my death in order to further his business.
I feel like crying.
-Mary

KD said...

While I will never understand his response to this tragedy (nor will I understand his church/beliefs in general), I am now certain that DB had nothing to do with the events of that tragic day.

It shoukd be mentioned that, SA, while reliable and useful in many cases, is not a science and should not be taken as such. That said, I do find it fascinating and will do some further reading and explore other case histories.

As for DB, I only wish him peace (which he apparently has already found). I hope that Amanda's religious beliefs were correct, and that she is, in fact, in the heaven that she hoped for.

As an agnostic, who doesn't share the lofty beliefs of heaven, I am angry. I am angry and disgusted at the gang-glorified, frivolous violence. I am angry that a good woman was violently taken from her young family. That a baby never got the life it deserved. That Weston will never remember his mother. Never know her smell and her laugh, or to see her beam at him in pride. All because some young, misguided kids (essentially) wanted some quick money. It is horrifying and it happens way too often.

There are many political and social elements that have one together to create a society where this is a problem. I wish there were a clear solution. I wish I could be a part of it.

My heart is literally hurting for Amanda tonight. I am in tears and I wish I could give this lovely woman - with whom I promise I have ZERO in common with - a big hug.

Kristen

Anonymous said...

Something Peter mentioned earlier about the possibility that Blackburn might even be purposefully acting "guilty" to keep the media attention on him, made me wonder. Is he that cunning? What better way to keep the attention focused on him and then when the killer(s) are arrested, more publicity AND SYMPATHY. Then, when the case goes to trial, Blackburn gets to act all pious and talk more about his BUSINESS, oh, and Jesus'all-forgiving love, of course. All publicity, good or bad, helps Blackburn and his cause. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't end up having something to do with Amanda's death.
-Mary

Anonymous said...

Kristen and Mary ~
both well stated and thoughtful. Completely agree.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 8:16 I had that thought, too.

Anonymous said...

I understand he's a big Pastor and all, but he already takes time away from his family & responsibilities by going to the gym, then sits in his driveway on the phone for an hour?! Poor Amanda, I can't even begin to imagine how bad her life was. I'd love more details on this angle, he noticed nothing but himself for an hour?

Jojo said...

Go to google maps and type in
2812 Sunnyfield Ct
Indianapolis, IN 46228

Play with the zoom and look at all the 1000's of streets around that city. Look at the street view and the close houses around. What are the odds that 3 random guys chose this little insignificant house among all the houses in Indianapolis?

I'm not buying it. He may never be found guilty but no one will ever convince me this was random.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Can someone provide me a link about DB on the cell phone outside in his car for one hour that morning??

Peter

Anonymous said...

I am so obsessed with this case they need to make a new syndrome and name it after me.

Anonymous said...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9:00 PM They are going to have a hard time naming the syndrome b/c so many of us have it!!!!

Confused said...

Peter, Jen Ow, or anyone else who likes to analyze cases, could you PLEASE look into the case that is making headlines right now internationally about the babysitter in MA who allegedly broke into a house and kidnapped a 2 year old, shaved her head and put cigarette burns on her and then left her by the side of the road. I believe babysitter is being framed and one of the parents did it. The parents claim they checked on her at 3 am and then reported her missing at 7 am. She was then found by a couple driving to work sitting on the side of the road at 10 am. Parents have released a statement that I find to be sensitive. I will post link and statement by parents. Any input from anyone welcome.

Skittles said...

Wow- the day's information from the PD and the press. I'm still processing it all. I have to admit that I have thought over the past week that DB must certainly have been involved in some way based on everything I'd been seeing (his own videos, interviews, statements, etc) and what we'd learned from the little info put out there by the PD. But it now does appear to me that it was in fact completely random and it's just a completely bizarre coincidence that DB happens to (in my opinion) have a lot of personality issues. Every bit of this case is just a tragedy.

For those that still think DB is involved in some way, can you lay out a hypothesis? It just doesn't fit to me any more. The dna found, the cigarettes left on the counter, the confessions of the men now in custody.... How does that fit with DB being involved? It appears concrete that the boys were physically in the Blackburn house. How would DB have possibly allowed his young son to be in the house if he was aware of this?

Confused said...

Here is the statement from the parents of the 2 year old girl allegedly kidnapped by former babysitter

Here is the statement as published in the daily mail from the toddler's parents after she was discovered on the side of the road at 10 am by a couple driving to work.

Lyndon's family released a statement Monday morning asking for privacy while the family recovers from their 'horrific ordeal.'
They said: 'We have suffered a horrific ordeal. We are grateful to have our daughter back. We are extremely thankful for the incredible efforts to rescue our daughter by the Police and all emergency responders.
'We are extremely grateful to the kind couple who found our daughter. We are extremely thankful for having the best family, friends and community supporting us through this difficult time.'
We are asking for privacy out of respect for the young ages of our children, and out of an understanding that as parents we need to be able to restore a sense of calm, comfort, and normalcy for the well being of our children

Confused said...

Here is the link to the story about former babysitter who allegedly kidnapped baby.

I believe one of the parents did it and the babysitter is being framed. 4 hour window when anyone could have broken in and kidnapped the baby from the house. Injuries and shaving of head seem to be for shock value along with leaving her on side of the road where she would definitely be found. I believe one parents did it. Any input welcome!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330798/Babysitter-kidnapped-beat-shaved-girl-2-barely-stand-court-lawyers-claim-history-hallucinations-suicide-attempts.html

Anonymous said...

This has been one of the worst rides I have ever taken.

Anonymous said...

What time did law enforcement hear of the burglary in the neighborhood prior to the blackburn breakin? Was 911 called? Who made that call? CD didn't see le in the area when he left for the gym or on his return from the gym? If he returned within an hour, he didn't see the "thugs" in the neighborhood or recognize any commotion? Did law enforcement realize the other home was burglarized only after they discovered Amanda?

Anonymous said...

I have been feeling so sad for Amanda, wish I could have known and comforted her. Somehow, I feel a spirit of kinship with this dear one. RIP throughout the ages Amanda, you're at home now. No more pain, no more sorrow, no more tears, no more heartaches; no memory of the former things.

Your little one Weston will be okay; Jesus promised that if you would follow him he would save you, your household, your children and your children's children. You knew those promises well and held onto them. God bless you for all you gave, Amanda. I am comforted to know that He will.

Kristen, I understand your tears for Amanda. I think you might be closer to her than you know. Take care. ABB

Anonymous said...

Confused... I don't see anything odd about their statement. What other facts lead you to believe they are involved? - TJC

Anonymous said...

I've never been actually hurt by a crime story like I have been by this one. I almost can't stand tuning in anymore.

M said...

OT - mycase.in.gov I looked up Taylor. They filed 12 "no contact" orders. Is that just standard procedure? My guess is that they are no contact orders for the victims???

Peter - I posted that timeline link. Did that work for you?

Anonymous said...

Peter, this is the probable cause affidavit - see p. 15 of 25.
http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/blackburnpc.pdf

CJ said...

Anon, 8:18
RE: I'd love for people to view this site as Peter's home and that we've been invited and to act accordingly.

THAT.

Anonymous said...

Annonymous said: "I am so obsessed with this case they need to make a new syndrome and name it after me."
You and I both! I should add that every now and again I look up other cases that STILL bother me, even when they've been "solved."

-Mary

Anonymous said...

Probably no contact for the accused. Some one posted a phone number. Maybe to the jail or something? The victims should not be contacted either. We get it with out harassing them. Some can imagine how they must feel.It doesn't need to be a big production series.

~mj said...

The only thing I am certain of is that there is value in SA. That value and what it has thus highlighted to us makes wish to sit back and see what shakes out.

As to caring about what the public as it is conveyed on the internet would think of me if this horrid thing happened to my family as I was innocent, I believe it is expected behavior of the innocent to disengage from harmful speech during a trying and devastating time. Therefore, I would disengage. I also believe my loved ones would ensure that I disengaged if I wasn't in my "right mind" - I do not think it to be expected behavior to continue to engage gossipers.

Anonymous said...

Local TV station interviewed Amanda's brother tonight, of course to bring up the arrest and charges of the day. He spoke on the closeness of is sister, since they were only 13 months difference in age. He was robot like, lacking the emotion he should have considering is beloved sister is dead, and also speaking on his Christian beliefs. Is it possible he is involved too? I can't help to wonder how some of you sleep at night.

Anonymous said...

Nausea. Disorientation.

OPN said...

Peter,
This is where you can find the info that Davey was on the phone sitting in his driveway from 7:30 am -8:20 am.
http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/blackburnpc.pdf

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Local TV station interviewed Amanda's brother tonight, of course to bring up the arrest and charges of the day. He spoke on the closeness of is sister, since they were only 13 months difference in age. He was robot like, lacking the emotion he should have considering is beloved sister is dead, and also speaking on his Christian beliefs. Is it possible he is involved too? I can't help to wonder how some of you sleep at night.

November 23, 2015 at 9:35 PM

LOL! I just wanted to applaud this comment before Peter deletes it.

OPN said...

@Anonymous at 3:52 pm,
In the following link EMT is mentioned, so an ambulance was involved.
http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/blackburnpc.pdf

OPN said...

@ Anonymous 9:43 pm
You want to applaud a comment where Amanda's brother is implicated in her murder because he has a flat affect? A flat affect is common in DEPRESSION.

Does anyone else wonder how idiots find the Statement Analysis site?

Juliet said...

I read that he sat outside in the car here:

http://m.wyff4.com/news/Details-of-Amanda-Blackburn-investigation-revealed/36618928

Anonymous said...

Reporter - There was a lot of suspicion that quite possibly the Blackburns knew their attackers or were connected to them. Can you say that this is not the case today at this time, this was totally random?

Speaker (I think D.A.) (looks back at the people behind him and than says "It is fair to say there's no reason to believe that is the case."

Compound question, which is he answering to not be the case. How could they have determined this quickly that Amanda didn't know the any of the 3 arrested? Who's to say she hadn't tried to help one of them at some point?

Anonymous said...

He said "I think it's fair to say we have no reason to believe that is the case."

Anonymous said...

CJ @9:30

Regulars around here routinely resort to insults and name-calling when responding to new posters.

I'm sure Peter does not welcome that sort of behavior in his home.

Anonymous said...

"Fair to say" = "Fair to not say"

MemphisPat said...

I just wanted to apologize for re-quoting and being amused by the "luckiest little psychopath" comment. It was name-calling and I should have stuck to SA. My better self will be moving on from this very troubling case. I'll look forward to Peter calling it when all the statements to come have been analyzed.

Anonymous said...

Affidavit:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2572175-amanda-blackburn-case-larry-taylor-jalen-watson.html#document/p1

Davey told police he left the door unlocked. Why on earth would anyone do that in this day and age?

Anonymous said...

so they break into the back doors of two homes.. then just walk up to AB home and go in the front door? Do they attempt to walk in the front doors of the other homes first also? I would think they would want to get into the backyard to avoid detection and go through the back door like their normal routine. The unlocked front door still bothers me.

Anonymous said...

Quick question: Where was the killer(s) car parked & why would he/they be seen walking through the neighborhood? The Blackburn home is on a cul-de-sac, right? Did they enter through the front or back door? Why did he/they target THIS particular house? It's a modest looking home; surely they could not expect to find a ton of stuff to steal from such a home. I'm reminded about a story of a man who claimed to have been a bank robber. He said that when he was researching which bank to hold up it was essential there were two exits from which to escape, one of which had to lead to a busy highway; Amanda's killer(s) risked being seen and cornered (caught) in this neighborhood; there must have been much better prospects elsewhere with less chance of being seen or apprehended.
Not such a quick question after all, ha!
-Mary

Anonymous said...

Re time outside house and link:

"Her husband returned home from the gym around 7:30 a.m. that morning, but remained on the phone with a friend in the driveway until about 8:20 a.m., according to the affidavit."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/23/ind-police-arrest-teen-for-rape-murder-of-pastors-pregnant-wife-amanda-blackburn/?tid=sm_tw

Anonymous said...

To Samantha M, your post about BPD was really interesting & I want to thank you for your personal insight into BPD and sharing your thoughts.
-Mary

KD said...

ABB - about what you said to me....it doesn't make any sense to me, but as I type through tears, I hope you're right.

Kristen

Boston Lady said...

Shouldn't police arrest the sister of Jalen W for lying to them? She said her brother was on the couch all night. She also added that he was there at 10am when she got up. Of course she lied. Did she make that statement to police or just the news?

So many damn liars.

Anonymous said...

M-pat at 10:03 pm

It's disturbing what you find amusing.

What did you ever do before the internet was invented? Kick kittens?

Lemon said...

Please do not feed the trolls peanuts or anything else. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"After discovering a security camera in the residence, Taylor wanted to kill the sleeping occupant, but Watson and Gordon talked him down, the account says. According to the affidavit, the trio then moved on to another house where they stole TV’s and a laptop, loading them into the previously stolen car." from the Washington Post article mentioned above

Really?!? FOUR (4) TV's were reported stolen from the Blackburns' neighbor, so the Sebring was transporting 3 men and 4 TV's?!? Isn't a Sebring a midsize sedan? What about the black SUV that was supposedly speeding out of the cup de sac during this time interval? Wasn't it supposed to be loaded with the loot?

In any case I agree that it's completely bizarre for the 3 burglars to approach the Blackburn house from the front, a move that simply does not fit the MO of their 2 earlier home invasions.

Anonymous said...

Seems pretty evident to me that this was a random home invasion murder. It happens. Very scary.

After DB's first statement and learning the circumstances, I was very suspicious of his involvement. I'm not any longer. I don't think he was involved. But I remain perplexed by his statements and demeanor, using SA or no SA. It's toooo strange. And it probably wouldn't make a difference because they probably would have broken in anyway, but WHY would he leave the door unlocked?!?! That's totally disregarding the welfare of your wife and child! It's maddening.

Unknown said...

Here is what's bothering me...and maybe this was mentioned in previous posts, but I don't have time to read them all:

1. Amanda talked to her neighbors about her fear of the recent burglaries in her neighborhood, but her door is left unlocked just days later?

2. Police trace Amanda's ATM card back to the killer/robbers because they found ATM receipts in their car. Why were those kept? And at my bank, the machine asks if you want a receipt. It is no longer printed automatically.

3. Reports say that Amanda was shot at about 6:55 and found at around 8, I think. I'm having a hard time believing that she could stay alive that long from a gunshot wound to the head, which makes me wonder how DB got back from the gym just in time to find her still alive.

4. The "video" coverage of one of the robbers. The guy in the hoodie. He looks like he knows the camera is there, and why is he on foot anyway? Who robs a house and then walks in the middle of a cul-de-sac? I think he was trying to be seen.

Everything is just too open and close here. It's all too easy. I'm sorry, but I also believe that Davey is involved. I hope real justice is served for Amanda. Not whatever this is at the moment.

lynda said...

Pic of the alleged trigger man (boy)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330918/Second-person-charged-murder-pregnant-pastor-s-wife-shot-home-widower-reveals-forgiven-killers.html

kdk said...

I apologize if this has already been mentioned here. I mentioned it to you on Facebook just a minute ago.

Could DB's source of guilt be from leaving the front door unlocked? Was it accidental or on purpose?

kdk

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