Friday, November 27, 2015

Blackburn Murder: Human Nature and Language

I receive many requests via FB for analysis.  I receive so many, in fact, that many go unread.  Until a few months ago, I did not know a folder existed where people who are not "friends" with me have written to me, including journalists who I have subsequently apologized to for not getting back to them.

I had received a large number of requests on Madden.  Until yesterday, I had not heard of this case and the analysis, although simple, shows what "guilty language" looks like.

The statistics of the blog show an increase in traffic from the Amanda Blackburn case.  This murder case, above many others, has caught the nation's attention.

Why?

The first person to contact me did so as a friend and a devoted Christian who had come across the horror but then was "bothered" by the reaction from the husband, who is a pastor.  Raised in Christian faith, herself, it was most "unexpected" to her.  Knowing her as one who is not suspicious by nature, I read the statement.

I was 'confronted' by the lack of emotional connection to the victim by a husband, and the theme of "moving on" for the sake of his career.  I knew that he would have to be cleared by police as the course of the investigation and due to the years of association with various Domestic Violence advocates, I was aware of the statistics that point to the death of a pregnant woman with the husband/boyfriend as primary suspect.

The statement was nothing I had expected from a husband, but even more so from his profession.  My instinct was, "narcissistic-sounding' and ambitious.

I then was pointed to his church's videos.

There, I was shocked.

Without belaboring the point, if I were a debater of Christianity, I wouldn't use the videos as proof; they would represent 'straw men' arguments, or a caricature  and would consider this akin to saying, "If you wish to know the average German today, look at Adolf Hitler."  It is not just wrong, it is inherently weak.

The videos showed two things:

1.  The performance
2.  The words chosen

I am not a body language analyst expert and in an interview, should a woman cry, I close my eyes or look away, and listen only to the words chosen, lest I be emotionally taken off the path to truth.
When a 7 year old's leg twitches, he may be on Ritalin.
When a woman sneers, she may have a sinus condition.
I have seen the rise and fall of the popularity of "Lie To Me" which followed the same with profiling and "Silence of the Lambs."

Lie Detection is hard work and takes formal training, years of practice, and intense follow up training.

When I post analysis, I recognize that anyone in the public can read it, and when the topic is popular, many will read it and this includes experience investigators, peers (analysts), criminologists, psychologists, legal experts, linguistic experts, and so on.

When I post a strong conclusion, which I do in perhaps, more than 90% of the time, I have a need to be accurate.

Here, the analysis shows deception via withholding information and guilt; though the source of guilt remains unknown; that is, unknown with certainty.

*Is it guilt of association with the killers?  The killers, if members of a gang, likely do not know Davey Blackburn; therefore, have no connection to him, but if sent deliberately to this home, collateral theft, the open door, the lengthy phone conversation while remaining outside the house, as well as the larger context of bad marriage, including pregnancy, come into focus. This association would produce the guilt within language, as well as reiteration of the pronoun "us" as plural, with "for us, we have nothing to hide."

If it is guilt of association, the association could take weeks or months to learn with the 'code of silence' difficult to break; especially if those directly involved did not know for whom they were sent.  This is something that the phrase, "code of silence" suggests;

it is not likely that neighbors, themselves, would remain 'silent' if they, themselves, experienced home invasions (very personal) and spoke collectively, (empowering).  Victims of gang violence who remain silent due so because they are personally threatened.  If you put them together, they are incapable of keeping the secret.

1.  It is human nature to communicate
2.  Being personally invaded is intense, increasing anger and rage;
3.  Being connected with others (plural) gives strength.

Silence is all but impossible.

If there is an association, it will be difficult to obtain, and would take infiltration of the gang or in the least, closeness.

If exists, the senior gang member who was behind this will boast.

If it is not guilt of association, could it be guilt of an opportunist?

There is nothing I could write, or anyone could say, that will cause the victim's husband to stop promotion.  He was incapable of concealing his priority from his first statement, on down, even though this 'corrected' statements, where he knew of the 'internet trolls' and came out with a complete social introduction and the strong word, "killed" and even used the pronoun "I" with more frequency.

Even here, he was incapable of concealing his priority of language:  promotion of his career.

There is nothing in the language to suggest an ability to stop using her death as a crass advertisement with "the best is yet to come" with its incessant promise of improvement of this life, which, by necessity , must weaken over time, if one considers his negative view of eternity in light of earthly success.

*Would guilt over capitalizing upon her death produce the linguistic change?

No.

I do not see it as being powerful enough to eject the pronoun "I" from his language.

I consider a combination of factors that should be further examined in a larger context of guilt:

What if one not only feels a sense of guilt or shame due to capitalizing on his wife's death, but also feels the guilt of having a profound sense of relief that the death has spared him the possible divorce?

Repeatedly, investigators and commentators have said:  'this guy is not sad she is gone', to which the language agrees.  It is like the one who goes to a lawyer's office to receive word of a huge inheritance amongst a crowd of people wearing black, who deeply loved the deceased, while the one, dressed in sneakers and jeans, has to conceal his joy, glad the rich one is gone, but even happier at the windfall.

Could the combination of these factors contribute to the guilty language?

Maybe.

It takes an awful lot to use:

a.  distancing language
b.  pronouns where one 'hides' among others

Pronouns are powerfully intuitive so the constant, "we are feeling" and "we are puzzled" combines with the extreme distancing of "the family is devastated" (which directly avoids saying, "I am devastated!") but then to say:

"we" will "dialog" with their child.

Teachers, social workers, and other profesionals "dialog" with children of others.

It is part of the ritual of gang membership survival in prison to not disclose the involvement of others.  To do so would be to sentence oneself to "hell within hell" in prison.

It is not likely that the three in custody will give up anyone, and even if a non-shooter is offered no prison time, he still would have to return to his neighborhood as one who told:  this is not going to happen.

                              Human nature is human nature.




When you read the New York Times  saying "women and children refugees from war torn Syria.." and you see the actual video of 70-90% young male, you know you've been lied to.  But when these young males land in European countries but protest and riot, demanding to go to only Germany or Sweden, you may ask "Why?", given that they come from different countries and races.  The women and children are left in Syria to fend for themselves and the soldiers have stated that the country is not worth fighting for but something else is worth the violence:

Yet, human nature is your best guide.  Germany and Sweden offer the most money.

When you see human nature before you, you may either observe and accept, carefully attempting to not project yourself into their language, or you can simply listen and watch and learn.


Gang violence has elements of human nature that are constantly on display, including factors of self interest while maintaining loyalty, and its own code of conduct.  The only way to break that code is to make human nature's self interest appear pragmatically first in priority:  not a reduced prison sentence, but a free pass and a free trip to another state in another name with money, was the tool to break mafia-like concerted violent activity.

You must understand, even in a limited degree, human nature in order to properly align "the expected" in any allegation.

Although severely ilmited in percentage, there have been comments in defense of the victim's husband's language as the language of "faith", which, in one sense, is very important.

We should listen to his language from his perspective.

This was especially pointed out by investigators who are people of faith who said, "I'm not buying it."

To them, the language was 'surreal' and 'bizarre' ranging from "how can anyone still be selling while his wife's killers are on the loose?" to " nope.  no way. The coincedence?  No one is that lucky."

To consider the victim's husband "lucky", one must already think:

This death actually pleases him.

Herein lies exactly why this case has caught the attention of the nation in a very powerful way.

Think:  Scott Peterson.

S. PETERSON: I had nothing to do with Laci's disappearance. Even if think I did, think about Laci. And I know that there's a nation that wants to bring her home to our families. 


Peterson's pregnant wife, Laci, was missing, and Peterson, like Blackburn, went from TV show to TV show and spoke in grandiose terms, without connecting himself strongly to her.

People across the nation, without training, grit their collective teeth.

"I don't know.  This guy just gets me so angry...."

Peterson, too, knew the "nation" was watching him.

When Peterson was eventually arrested, people were not shocked and all the video "performances" were played again. They now knew what readers of Statement Analysis had already known.




The body language analysts came out of the woodwork with "I told you so!", yet, few actually did...before the arrest.

"Psychopath!"

Scott Peterson's language was that of "anti-social narcissistic' type or 'sociopathic' with 'narcissistic elements.'  His marriage?  He said, "glorious is a word that comes to mind."  

For Peterson, a divorce was not only costly but 18 years of chid support awaited him.


Peterson brought suspicion to himself via his words.

Davey? Or, in the words of his mentor, "Crazy Davey"?

The cause of the "internet trolls", which is the words of the mentor, is Davey Blackburn, himself.

Once others were arrested, we heard the "experts" make pronouncements on how they 'knew' that he was not connected and "statement analysis is helpful but..."

Not so fast.

"Psychopaths don't feel guilt"

Not true.

Go back to Peterson.

Anti-social, sociopathic, etc...all feel the internal stress of lying as not only a disruption of the speed of processing language, but they are stressed at the thought of being caught, inclining being seen
as a liar.

Davey Blackburn is the architect of suspicion, so much so, that police have said he was "100%" not involved, and made arrests of those involved and people are still suspicious. 

Who are these "people"?


The public, including those who's life work it is to:

a.  understand language
b.  understand people
c.  investigate crime
d.  investigate murder

It includes people of all ranges of ages and intellect, by sheer volume alone.

What does this tell you about Blackburn's language?

His language is so extreme that even those without formal training, suspect a connection, and even official police "clearing" and arrests have done little to reduce suspicion.

Davey Blackburn is the source of suspicion; not  Fox News, nor 'internet trolls', though one may consider the mentor's call for apology a slick opportunist element as the inevitable pattern of human nature may now become visible:

Student adoration of Mentor

Student studies and learns Mentor

Student comes to the eventual independence of Mentor, with continued guidance.

Student relies less and less on Mentor.

Mentor senses the 'divorce'

Student and Mentor eventually face off in competition.

How will Mentor react when Student's book becomes "best seller" at Amazon?

How will Mentor react when Hollywood announces "Amanda's Story" will be made into a movie, starring a handsome young actor as Davey?

Human Nature will, once again, rise and be heard in the language, with the most important word of the sentence being, "but."

Follow the pronouns, too.  Human nature has a funny way of dealing with it, too.

"We are so pleased that Amanda's Story will now be told to an entire nation to the glory of God but I hope it will be accurate..."

Some people will hear or read that and say, "Yes, I hope it is accurate too" but others will see this:

""We are so pleased that Amanda's Story will now be told to an entire nation to the glory of God but I hope it will be accurate..."

Some will have heard..."Someone's envy is creeping out..."


Human nature.

"The Sinfulness of Sin" being so deeply embedded within human nature that even while guilty, it can present itself as righteousness.

A father told me he had not molested his child, he was "showing her" what "they" do, and was being a really "good father" so that she could protect herself.

We all reveal our understanding of human nature in our language.

Recently in a discussion about unjust laws being passed in history, I commented upon the topic of 'pendulum swing back' in human nature, which says:

'...unjustly punish a people long enough and eventually, their patience will run out and they will kick back. When they kick back, they will likely go too far. '

This is something your mother (or now, your grandmother) told you long ago:  "Two wrongs do not make a right."

Laws that are passed which use the same "wrong" to correct an actual wrong are doomed to not only failure, but provocation.

In Blackburn's language, Christianity had little connection with the reality of human nature, while in Amanda's father's language, it was the source of what he looked forward to:  conquering the hate and anger and rage and guilt he felt.

Parents who lose their children to cancer have guilt in their language, as if they 'could have' done something differently.  Some will even torment themselves with what foods they fed their child.  One even blamed himself for moving to a certain town that had "lots of electrical power lines."  In other words, their imaginations were so extreme that they made foolish connections to their own child's illness.

This is the very human nature Solomon highlighted.

Two women gave birth to sons.  Both similar in age, complexion and there is no mention of DNA or paternity testing as one rolled over upon her son, smothering him to death and stole the others, as they lived together in the same tent.

The local magistrates could not discern as both claimed ownership of the child, which led to the eventual appellate system's highest court:  King Solomon.

What is too often missed in the great Solomonic decision of exploitation of human nature for lie detection is, perhaps, the most important aspect:

Human speech.

Solomon called for a sword and said to his guard to cut the baby in half and give them each half a baby.

One woman agreed, while the other shrieked and said, "No!  Just give the baby to her!" which showed that there was a more powerful connection to a biological baby by its mother than exhibited in a mother who not only was lying, but who had recently suffered a tragedy and was either numbed by it, or murderously calloused in character.

Solomon had no intention of committing murder in his court.

Instead, he highlighted what is, in deed, highlighted in the very Book Blackburn quotes from:

language reveals us.

Language reveals what one is thinking.

"Tell us plainly, are you the King of the Jews?" was the charge, under oath.

"You have said it":

'Your own words have framed it.  This truth has come out of the mouth of the accuser.'

The human heart is very deep and beyond exhaustive understanding.  Denial, for example, is a powerful element.

When a young woman is perilously close to death by starvation and looks into the mirror and sees "grotesque obesity", we insist, and rightfully so, that professional intervention is needed.  Her brain processes what her eyes see as "overweight" to the point of such "disgust", that her appetite shuts down and she slowly dies.

From this abundance, or great volume of the "heart", that is the "intellect" and the "emotions", the words come forth and they reveal the truth.

Solomon had no intention on murder.

Why did he call for this object lesson?

Because his audience did not listen to the women and his audience did not listen to his words, either.

This is an early historical example of "dulled listening" and is why, before he called for the object lesson, he repeated the arguments from each mother. 

Their own words told us their priorities, but only if we are listening.


When my kids were little, I used to "amaze" them in opening Christmas gifts that said,

"To Peter and Heather, from Grandpa and Grandma" because I would then say,

"I think...hmm....(staring at the box, feigning psychic powers), I shall be the one to open this one!" and, lo and behold, (or behold and lo), the gift was something I would want far more than Heather.

Next gift,

"To Heather and Peter, Love Grandma and Grandpa" but this time,

I halted on the order of the names, AND I emphasized "love" instead of "from", to give the little ones the 'hint':

I then placed the package beneath my nose, like a bloodhound on a scent and said,

"I believe that I should not open this gift" and handed to Heather as the little ones were wide eyed with marvel:

As Heather opened the gift, it was something, likely, for the kitchen as she is an excellent baker and cake designer.

"Wowwwwwwww, Dad!!"

Indeed.

Dads only hold that vaunted status for a short time, but thankfully, get to regain it with grandchildren.

My next performance is but a few years hence.

Blackburn's own statements have been his best public relations as the free publicity, especially in the negative, will only increase sales.

The mentor is of strong intellect and he recognizes the power of "victim status" and how this phenomena both unites and empowers, howbeit unjustly, but why let a bit of ethics stand between today's headline and tomorrow's goal of New York Times Bestseller?

The publicity is good, and the negative publicity even better.

Mohammad Ali did not need a public relations team to churn up interest for his fights.  This was a needless expense.

Bob Dylan kept reporters following him, digging through his garbage and hiding out on the roof of his house (literally) by refusing to give interviews, but when he did, he spoke in such 'hip cryptic language' that his 'followers' were left puzzled, trying to analyze his every word, which...

sold quite a few records.

Even Stephen King puzzled over "the Gates of Eden", instead of simply watching the hollywood movies that influenced Dylan's language.  Fans were disappointed when, in 2005, they found a beautiful song of his had been directly lifted from Confederate poetry.

Today, celebrities often stage "outrageous behavior" to keep interest long past the limitations of talent.  In a game of "can you top this?" America went from Elvis suggestively shaking his hips to Miley Cyrus.  The intent has always been the same.



Sex sells and Shock sells so why not combine the two?

Blackburn "preaches" in jeans and tight shirts.  "Whatever it takes" is his ideology and he is no so much obsessed with sex as he is obsessed with success.  He is very intelligent and he knows that "sex sells" and so he talks about sex.  Howbeit, at age 30, he is quite limited naturally, and he appears to not grasp sexuality as the Scripture explains it, so he does what comes most natural to him:

he talks about himself, and his own sex drive and while he is talking, we learn the truth:

The contempt he holds towards Amanda.

This is a repeated theme.

He states it openly in his videos, but then he explains the source of it:  both in relation to his career and his own sex drive.  Had he been a licensed therapist, using his own sex life would have put his license in jeopardy.  This is why I wrote "inadvertent grooming of young people" by both choreographed "performance" and language:  it may not be his intention, but he is using "word pictures" and "visual imagery" to convey his message of his powerful sex drive; so powerful, in fact, that he is incapable of concentrating on his wife's words.

The insult was deep and it was public.

This, too, is what has caused professional investigators to say, "I am not buying it!"  and "He is selling, but I'm not buying."

He is the sole source of suspicion.

It was not Jeanine Shapiro who publicly spoke about how 'inadequate' Amanda was.

It was not Megyn Kelly who flashed a gun during a video performance days before her spouse was killed by a gun.

The Mentor needs to be careful here. He has shown his failure to grasp Hebrew and he may now show a  failure of grasping  human nature, too.

By calling out a national news agency, he is using "national" to broaden his exposure.

What if the agency refuses to apologize?

Will he back it up with a suit?

Here is where it gets interesting.

Imagine, for a moment, the defense using these video tapes and coincidental nature of the crime asking a jury, "What are the odds?"

Who also might be listening to the defense?

Amanda's family left bereft of their lovely and Godly daughter and of whom they may experience difficulties in seeing Weston as often as they want to, due to Davey's fame and book tour and his new girlfriend and...

They might hear the powerful defense arguments and begin to think...

They could seek justice the way that OJ Simpsons' victims family did:

To be held civilly accountable for her death.

Think of the pendulum or the metronome that sits upon your piano in your living room.

It swings one way and the more powerful the swing, the more powerful the backlash.

If they see Davey and Mentor beginning a national tour of competition at the expense of their daughter, they will experience negative emotions.

It is human nature.

Suspicion can destroy.  Even Elvis sang, "we can't go on with suspicious minds..." as it eats away at confidence and any single event can cause it to rise to the surface, even if the event is unrelated.  It is a powerful human emotion that can either be

starved with truth,

or fed with silence.

You may wonder how it is that when Brittany Spears went to Burger King and a Barber Shop to shave her head who called the paparazzi to arrive just in time?

"Reality" tv shows are anything but, yet, though I do not watch them (yesterday, I missed a powerful "honey boo boo" comical reference about giving Mountain Dew soda to a child), I recognize that they must be selling, lest they be canceled.  Apparently, America loved an overweight, rude uncivilized family implode in sexual abuse.  I had no interest until the implosion of statements as people asked, "Did the mother know?"

The analysis said, "yes she did."

The story then caught my interest, too.

Like the train wreck we all know we should look away, we attempted to look away but Davey yelled at us, "Don't look away!  You must see this!" with his bizarre "moving on", and "laugh" and dishonest abuse of Christian faith.  One devout Christian said to me, "The 'jesus' of Davey Blackburn has no resemblance to the Christ of John the Baptist's description."

John the Baptist's clothing was symbolic of his nature:  he did not seek "Front and Center", nor did he wear tight bi-cep fitting shirts to highlight his weight lifting.  In fact, his words mirror what Davey said was the "best thing" about Amanda.

John said, "I must decrease, that He may increase", seeking less popularity for himself.

Davey said the "best" thing about Amanda was that she did not want to compete with Davey for:

"Front and Center."


I continue to assert that I do not know the source of the powerful guilt evident in the language of Blackburn and use Hillary Clinton's example:

When her husband ran for office of President of the United States, Gennifer Flowers came forward and accused him of wrongdoing which prompted Hillary's defense:

'When the man I love and the man I respect is attacked, I will...'

The pronoun "I" is the most used word in English language.  It is powerful.  How powerful?  It is as powerful as one's own inclusion in life, itself, as language is the verbalized perception of reality.


But after 6 years of allegations of affairs, the powerful emotional devastation of years of betrayal impacted the language:


After the Monica Lewinsky 'admission', Hillary said,

'When the man you respect and the man you love is attacked....'

It took years and much pain to eject the pronoun "I" from her language.

Longterm readers here are well familiar with the many statements where the guilty went to the pronoun "we", where readers longed to ask, "Hey, you, who is this 'we' you're talking about?"

In my own interviewing, when a subject has used "we" where no one else was in the room, I have stayed silent.  This was a powerful signal of guilt which eventually led to admissions.

In a theft interview from a nursing home, the staffer said,

"We didn't take anything."

In the interview room, it was just her, me and the tape recorder on the table.

"We were reimbursed by check."

I did not ask who "we" was...yet.


In theft, human nature will do whatever it can to not only 'share' guilt but also 'hide' in a crowd, no different than a child.

Yet there is something else to consider in theft, sex abuse, child murders, and so much else:

The human nature will do almost anything to reduce guilt, including:

justification.

This is a powerful element of human nature.

Madden:  "she was looking for..." stopped in self-censoring. Too many child molesters have told me that the child 'asked for it' or was 'looking' for a sexual 'encounter'.

Shaken baby?

"The baby would not stop crying" is to blame the baby.

Human nature even can blame a child for a parent striking out:

 'It's not my fault, the baby would not stop crying,' with some young mothers even saying 'she is faking it.  I know her cries.  She is doing it on purpose to get on my nerves' as if an infant's intentions were known and justified an angry response.

In older abused (or murdered children), "Oh she was great and I loved her but you know hormones...." as a subtle shifting of blame upon the victim.

Human nature will go a very long way to convince one's own self that its unrighteous behavior is righteous.  This is how 'wicked' wickedness is.  It is never content, and even while 'accepting' responsibility, it is shifting it, just as quickly.

If police eventually arrest Blackburn because a tie to the gang was found, there will not likely be a populous "shock" from the nation.  A few Monday morning quarterbacks, yes, but most people will not likely be surprised.

If the guilt is solely from capitalization, I will be surprised.

If the guilt in language is from a large combination of factors, including a cocktail of:
capitalization, relief, and having a quick Amanda replacement on the sideline, I won't be surprised.

Guilt can range from inappropriate guilt (like the parent of a sick child) to mild and common, ('if only I had not gone to the gym') to powerful.

The language here was so powerful that the news agency picked up on it, beyond the simple crime statistic that says husbands and boyfriends are often involved in the murder of pregnant women.

The source of the language was the victim's husband.

If blame is to be assigned for Fox News having doubts, far more than the statistics, the blame rests at the feet of the victim's husband.

It was his words that caused the nation to react as it has.






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Anonymous said...


Anonymous at 112:51 AM said:

"I can acknowledge that both davey and these suspects are capable of a murder scenario."

I agree with you. I think it's important to acknowledge this.
anon

Anonymous said...

they may not of known they were being sent for a hit. they were played, set up. their mentor them told them an easy quick b&e at a certain time because its not occupied & unlocked. but AB startled them and they reacted brutally. they're stupid. petty criminals. punks. wannabes. IMO they were told their job was to steal. their mentors outcome was accomplished. then ratted them out.

Anonymous said...

@lynda

I agree completely with what you are saying. If that 911 call shows he worded things in a way that made it seem as if it was emergency only, then it's sketchy.

I will say that in a situation where there is someone who's life could be saved, I can surely see why the'd not wait around for photographs of her body. So interested in hearing more about this aspect.

I, like you , believe that they purposefully didn't release information about davey because they thought it would ignite chatter about him, which was not their narrative. But now that they have arrested people and ruled him out, they need to start explaining WHY he is 100% ruled out.

I'm willing to listen, and I'm still open to explanations. But if they don't explain their reasons for ruling out davey at some point, obviously everything becomes more and more suspect. So far, I don't see how he could possibly be ruled out.

These details you have given me that I wasn't aware of before, give even more evidence to that fact.

Anonymous said...

If Davey has watched five minutes of crime tv, he knows not to touch a crime scene - and he had to know this was a crime scene even if he had nothing to do with it. Everyone knows that detectives need to see crime scenes as they are when the victims are found, in order to have the greatest chance of solving the crimes and catching the perpetrators. Contaminating the scene and causing evidence to disappear or be misconstrued is a way to ensure that the investigation will be confused and point in a different direction.

And I know he was no stranger to tv and movies because one of his videos talked about the Final Destination movies and the bizarre coincidences and chains of events that lead to the characters in these films dying in such weird ways.

I would love to hear the 911 call - and I would love to have LE explain why Davey is ruled out, as well ! I don't think they can explain it, for I don't think they have ruled him out. I certainly hope they haven't. It is still ambiguous whether they 100% ruled him out as being the shooter (from being seen on video) or whether it's 100% not having involvement or knowledge that it was going to happen.

Anonymous said...

BostonLady:

Yes I agree with everything you said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c_p3-2hei2U

Listen to this 3 minute clip of Davey cancelling Resonates service b/c of a snowstorm. If you listen to the whole thing, you will be amazed (well, by now this will probably not surprise you) at the sheer arrogant attitude with regard to his "church".

What a shame that the name of Jesus is blasphemed - used as a buzz word, a prop, an advertising gimmick! So sick

Maybe your question about ownership has been answered here already, but I'm sure the "owner" concept is only to hook them in further, and deceive them into thinking they're "investing". They likely also have promises of return blessing for their commitment.

Everything about these churches is sketchy, and yes, I think you could safely categorize them as cults.

SLH



SLH

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

I know from reading here that there's been alot of conjecture about Davey's gym schedule, especially as it relates to the day of Amanda's murder. The gym opens at 5:00 a.m. Looking at Davey's twitter account, here are some posts.

April 30, 2015 Posted at 9:46 a.m. One perk to starting the day at 4am: Taking a mid-day break to hang out and make faces with this guy https://instagram.com/p/2GzWejh4Ix/
April 30, 2015 Posted at 2:34 a.m. It's amazing how empty the gym is at 5am. Is there something better I could be doing??
May 7, 2015 Posted at 4:53 a.m. Going BZRK on this squat rack https://instagram.com/p/2YTZKPh4JX/
September 18, 2105 Posted at 3:56 a.m. The 6AM Grind with embedded pic of weight racks https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/644827371464491011
October 13, 2105 Posted at 6:09 a.m. It's always hilarious to me when someone randomly breaks out into a solo flash dance in the gym #BeatsTurntUp

Also, there's an Aug. 15, 2015 post that he mowed the neighbor's yard for her FOR INDY.

Looking over his posts, I found it a little surprising that he regularly posts from 3:28-6 in the morning. I have a retired parent with a thyroid problem that keeps those kind of hours, but he had a wife, a child, a church to pastor, church meetings and Life Groups, sports games, etc. Most guys with just a full-time job can't swing being up that early regularly.

I know some posters have had questions regarding Kenneth Wagner also. So, for you...
Davey tweeted on May 12 at 6:16 a.m. "I LOVE my weekly convos with @kennethwagner! It alwaays puts a spiritual shot of adreneline in my veins! #BrothaFromAnothaMotha"

Anonymous said...

Chances are the FOI requests have been made and are in process of potentially having the 911 calls released. DA may fight this and say the investigation is pending. I went back and watched the presser IMPD gave when releasing the suspect information. It was interesting to hear Chief Hite finish the story by stating it was a robbery gone bad and basically the killer had no intention of killing, only robbing but that it went south. In fact, the entire press conference is completely bizarre, knowing what you know now and going back to it. On one hand you will see a man get up and act like he's borderline ready to wet his pants from nerves or anxiety and on the other hand you have another man in charge getting up and stuttering through his entire speech. FBI was involved early on, all the while pleading with the public to help with tips. I wonder why such an urgency with begging the public for help, when everything they nailed the suspects with were based on dna, surveillance, stolen vehicle and eye witnesses. Looking back now, why were they acting like it was such a difficult case to solve I wonder?

Anonymous said...

Fellow minister criticizes Davey Blackburn for forgiving killer
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pastor.davey.blackburn.criticised.by.fellow.minister.for.forgiving.wifes.murderer.its.a.sign.of.weakness/71819.htm

Nick said...

The "We have nothing to hide." statement is interesting, isn't it?

As nearly everyone here has asked; who is the "we" to whom DB refers? Seriously, who? The church members?

How could you possibly know if someone else (anyone else) had something to hide?



Nick said...

I've just thought of something. I think the link to DB and the disgusting animal who shot her might be baseball.

DB plays baseball. He played baseball in college. He coaches baseball. He goes to baseball games. Baseball, baseball, baseball.

Why is/was his and Amanda's dream for Weston that he should play basketball?

Anonymous said...

just hit me, belated perhaps compared to others but I haven't seen it spelled out:
the Swisher Sweet cigar package is critical with regard to the 911 call.

The Affadavit states Davey Blackburn noticed the Swisher Sweet package on the counter with Amanda's purse and that he stated that "it should not be in their residence."

This was the one material object so totally out of place in the house when he entered that on seeing it he had to know Amanda had been attacked by an intruder.

The spilled credit cards and wallet on the floor far from her purse on the counter did not necessarily tell him that. He might have supposed those scattered by her suffering a trip and fall accident or fainting from her pregnancy.

The decorative ladder and lamp overturned on the floor might also be compatible with a trip and fall.

By contrast,the Swisher Sweet package transformed possible accident to evident crime. The cigar package was alien. It should not have been in their residence.

Consequently, as soon as Davey saw it he had reason to know that one or more intruders had brought it in and left it there. One or more home invaders, who had attacked Amanda.

If he noticed this cigar package before calling 911 yet did not say his wife had been attacked by a home invader, why not?

Presumably, the 911 call may begin to explain more.

anon

Anonymous said...

Nick said at 4:29 AM
Why is/was his and Amanda's dream for Weston that he should play basketball?

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Amanda was raised in Indiana - not in South Carolina as Davey pretended at times. Have you seen the movie Hoosiers? Heard of March Madness? Basketball is small town Indiana's sport.

And women play basketball.
anon

Louise K said...

PMSL Anon 4.31am

Anonymous said...

SLH at 2:15

Watched that video- "our M.O." and "nail in the coffin" ? I find those words to be creepy in the context of keeping the parishioners safe. A simple snowstorm cancellation turns into 3 minutes of shilling to get more people in to the church.

Anonymous said...

Davey has posted 5 more bible verses in the last 50 minutes yet still no word about Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Correction - I meant he just tweeted 4 times.

Anonymous said...

The Stucky Note video was filmed in front of the middle school where he subbed and two guys attached sticky notes to a police car while Davey spoke. At the end one of them is thrown on the hood getting arrested by a police officer. Could have been a resource officer assigned to the school. I think if there is a connection to the perpetrators it will be to someone he met through the school.

CJ said...

Kenneth Wagner, Part One:
How did we end up here (in this destructive relationship)?

I've transcribed portions of Kenneth Wagner's sermon preached the Sunday after Amanda's death (linked here):
http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/

This is the minimum of what I would have expected that service to look like: a video tribute to Amanda comprised of cameos of church members sharing personal recollections (check), followed by a message offering comfort to those in mourning and the hope of heaven and reassurance of Christ's ongoing presence to those in despair (something like the message from this unrelated link): http://bigcircumstance.com/2010/10/24/a-brief-sermon-for-a-memorial-service/

What did Resonate Indy get?

Wagner chose as his theme for the service the story of Paul, a pastor and church reformer, sitting in jail, wondering "How did I get here?"

This is the full intro:

(QUOTE):
Tuesday I was sitting at lunch and I received a call that rocked my world forever. Davey had walked in and found his wife in the condition that she was in, and what you need to know about this con–, this, this run(?), this story that I’m telling you, that me and Davey speak every Tuesday morning from seven to eight. Davey had gotten off the phone with me, he finished our phone conversation and walked in and found Amanda.

I got a phone call that explained what had happened to Amanda that they said it had happened last night and I said “That’s impossible, because I talked to Davey this morning. It’s impossible. I began to hope and pray that it was impossible, that it wasn’t reality. The texts began to flood, the calls began to flood, and I realized it was the truth.

So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry I’ve got horrible news and Sherry’s my wife, we’ve been married seven years, we got married three weeks before Amanda and Davey. And I watched my wife just fall on the floor, and experienced some of the deepest sorrow that I’ve ever experienced in my life. The craziest amount of pain, I, I know it dulls in comparison to what Davey felt and what you guys felt. But the craziest amount of pain that I’ve ever felt in my life and there’s a question that kind of popped in my mind, is this question is — how did we end up here? How in the world did we end up in the situation that we found ourselves?

I think in a room this size if I was to begin to ask some of the tragedy and pain that some of you guys have experienced, some of the things that you’ve gone through in your life, some of the, the, the kind of the happenstance of, of things, that, the journey that, that, that you have, you’ve gone down in your life, I think there would be some of us and the majority in the room, that we’ve all had a moment where we would say — how in the world did I end up here? Would anybody agree with me?

Like what, you’d be driving, and you’re like you’re, you’re the guy so you don’t use the GPS, you know like, “I got this,” you know what I’m sayin’? And, like, the men are real quiet. The ladies are like, that’s what my husband’s like. But you, you think you’ve been driving and you find yourself, like, how did we end up here?

Or you’re in a relationship and it was a destructive relationship and you found yourself asking this question — how did I end up here? And this morning I want you to know this, is that you are not alone. That if you find yourself in this situation, exactly where I am speaking of, where you would say “I have no clue how I end up here,” this week, from this phone call on Tuesday, getting in the car at 3:00 pm in, in, in Delaware, in Dover Delaware, and driving to Indianapolis, Indiana and praying and begging God for a miracle, and just saying “How did we end up here? How did we end up here?”
(UNQUOTE)

*************

(I am listening and having a WTF? at this point in the sermon, wondering how Wagner went straight from Amanda's death to the theme of "how did I end up here, IN THIS DESTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP?)

BB said...

Just some random thoughts. I really loathe typing on my cell, so these will be as brief as I can make them.
The charges suspects seem to be seriously stupid. Do people really hire gang members to do hits? Seems like the plot of a madcap movie featuring bumbling bad guys. Why not hire a professional hit man? Doesn't that make way more sense? (Clearly there are a zillion reasons not to hire a hit man, but if you commit to something, do it) . I have witnessed family members who were absolutely not guilty in the death of loved ones react with the creepy optimism at their journey to heaven. I've witnessed the same breathless celebration by the wife of a Baptist minister who passed of ill health at an old old age. It weirds a me out. I'm a Christian who believes. But cannot IMAGINE putting on a display like that in the immediate throws of a loved ones death: all smiles and eyes to God and breathless joy....but then it hasn't been my life's work to demonstrate God's goodness. I do approach the publicity work I do with a similar passion because I love it and it pays my bills. I think DB's oddball reaction is indicative of guilt. I also think it is possible he's just oddball. He mimics, so he doesn't appear appropriate, because there's not much nuance or deep human understanding demonstrated by him. I also have friends who rely on movie quotes to communicate a lot. (Or did at younger ages) At least they picked the right quote for the situation. DB's social skills seem almost completely lacking. He just does the exact wrong thing. His words betray his thoughts. He is pretty much openly expressing his guilt. Bizarro, because a link to the actual gunmen seems such a stretch. I generally give a grieving person a pass to say anything, but DB does not appear to be grieving at all. He is a giant shallow douchebag at a minim.

Anonymous said...

Anon, i am guessing it has been deleted. I couldn't find any DB FB friends with the initials BW. Hope you grabbed screen shots for the detectives working the case.

Anonymous said...

BB, to make it BRIEF perhaps cutting out most the BS would be in order, eh?

Appx center would be in order. Work forwards and backwards until the meat of the brevity shines through.

Anonymous said...

Kenneth Wagner sermon, part 2:

http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/

After his intro Wagner goes to Philippians 1, where the apostle Paul finds himself in jail. Wagner reminds the audience who Paul started out as, "the guy who went doing horrible things ... like giving approval for Christians' deaths ... to giving his life to Christ and full-time evangelism ... to being locked up in prison. (NOTE: Wagner subsequently follows up by reminding his audience TWO MORE TIMES that Paul gave his approval for Christians to be killed). Paul asks himself "how did I get here? Are chains better than tragedy? Is it better for me to be a pastor or a prisoner?"

Wagner then turns to the big question du jour: "Is it possible that what is happening is really serving to advance the gospel"?

Followed by an indictment of the media: “The media can’t understand why people can write a statement of such hope in a hopeless world, because what is a burden to some could be a blessing to others.”

... adulation for Davey: “People, on a weekly basis, Davey, almost every time he opens his mouth, people get saved, like he sneezes, and people get saved. It’s the most ridiculous thing, yeahh! …"

... and what this all means for OUR BRAND:

" ... more than anything, there are going to be people from all over the world watching how a church, and how a pastor, and how a family, they’re going to be watching from all over the world, like how can they get through this? Some of you came this morning to see, how can they get through this? I want you to know that the mis, the mission of this church will not stop. The mission of this church goes on. It is an insult to the enemy. See, what a platform to point all the glory to God.”

Back to second guessing:

“If some of you in the room feel like you are where you are today, not necessarily with Amanda’s situation, but maybe you find yourself in a situation in life, that you are where you are, because of what you’ve done …

… some of us in our life, we live that way, if I just do enough good over here then all of this will just turn out right, and and when it doesn’t go that way we don’t know how to compute it, th–, th–, this is, doesn’t make sense and I have to ask this question, if this is how it works, then what happened this week?”

but in the END, the BRAND prevails:

“I believe that Amanda would lay her life down so that you could know Christ … what if the level and the amount that God wanted to use Resonate Church was equal to the amount of pain that we experienced this week? Watch out Indy.”








lynda said...

In regards to the sermon...

Oh. My. God.

“If some of you in the room feel like you are where you are today, not necessarily with Amanda’s situation"

Just what is Amanda's situation? You mean dead? Murdered? Beaten? Shot? WTH?

Watch out Indy is right...

BB said...

Also, I would like to add that DB, for all his over the top enthusiasm and energy, doesn't seem to be doing well at engaging his parishioners on social media. Maybe this is because younger people tend to use Twitter and Instagram, Periscope, etc instead of FB, which has developed a reputation for being the preferred social media format of old people :), and I don't know what DB's Twitter engagement looks like, but his FB engagement level s HORRIBLE by corporate standards.he almos never gets comments, and only a few likes here and there. Not many shares. Considering the topic of Religion is soooooo personal and inherently easy to be inspirational, it is really weird that nobody in his church seems to respond to his posts. Go look at other brands on FB. Much more emotional investment from followers than DB gets. Tire companies get more engagement on FB. Widgets R Us could do better. He was failing on FB by corporate standards.

Also, another not unrelated thing to consider that explains his insane dedication to success at his job: Planting a church is called "planting" because the purpose is to GROW a church. That means get new members. Right or wrong, distasteful or not, it is the job DB was hired to do. He was middle management at best. He wanted desperately to move up. His job was to please his boss, who appears to be PN and not JC.

CJ said...

Lynda at 10:02

Wagner is working a LOT of fronts here.

He minimises what happened to Amanda (incomplete social introduction plus inappropriate euphemisms like "situation," "the condition that she was in.")

He alibis Davey, (and incidentally himself).

He presents a ranking of who is affected most by "Amanda's situation:"
1. HIMSELF
2. Davey, church family
3. Kenneth's wife (who falls on the floor but he, himself experiences the pain)
(Where are Weston, biological family members, non-church friends? I haven't finished the sermon yet and haven't heard them referred to even once).

He talks about his own pain repeatedly and in hyperbolic terms. ("Craziest pain I have ever felt in my life).

He talks about having intimate knowledge about Davey and Amanda's relationship that the audience, world is not party to.

He suggests that the murder is a place that "we ended up in," for unknown reasons (compare with Davey's use of the word "conundrum.")

He uses as an example of where his audience might "end up," a destructive relationship.

He introduces Paul. He refers repeatedly to Paul's horrible acts before finding Christ, including approving the deaths of chritians (My note: Paul put out hits on Christians).

He reminds us that Paul went on to find Christ and full-time evangelism.

He draws a comparison between Paul and Davey "when Davey sneezes, people come to Christ."

He asks, is it better for a pastor to be preaching or in prison?

He reminds us of the greater good, of the impact that Resonate Indy will have in the world as a result of Amanda's death.

(Leaking much, Kenneth?)










Anonymous said...

WTF is right. The whole thing sounds like a conspiracy and if I put my tin foil hat on I can specualte and wonder if her death was PLANNED by a group of people to advance the cause

BB said...

Well, sorry. That was brief for me. Perhaps I left out some segues that explained relevance of some aspects. I'll try to stay on track next time. :) All apologies. Carry on!

BB said...

I'm struggling not to put the tin foil hat on. Really struggling. And I loathe tin foil hatters.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

I have very strong opinions about what lie would have been strong enough to cause a father to leave his church and move to another state.

Would someone please link the source of this admission?

As it was posted in comments, I have done some analysis, but before publishing, I want to make sure the quotes are accurate.

Thank you,

Peter

Anonymous said...

I am thankful for this site. I had never heard of SA prior. Fascinating. I, like many of you, have spent an inordinate amount of time thinking about this case. I side with all who feel DB arranged this "hit". I logged in to comment because I have a question: not sure if this has been addressed on SA blog previously - DB's statement after the arrests- he consistently refers to the "killer" in singular. "this man" "his actions" "what he has done"

I get that there was only one trigger puller, but there are clearly others involved yet no indication of this in DB's statement. In SA is this significant that he didn't address there were others involved and also in custody related to this crime?? -KCT

Andrew said...

In Roman Catholicism, we have the concept of "perfect possession.". It is a terrifying thing. Basically, it involves a person's willing surrender to demonic power in exchange for....well, lots of things. Sex. Power. Money. Fame. Sometimes even seemingly benign things such as protection or healing. The person strikes a deal with the devil so to speak.

These are dangerous people, people you want to avoid at all costs. When they speak, they speak in unison with the demon. 'We" "us" etc.

CJ said...

Anon at 11:08

IMO, what is appearing in the public reactions of DB's closest circle (mentors, coworkers, friends) does not support a conclusion that they were in any way involved in Amanda's murder.

What comes across instead is their own doubts, and anxiety about Davey's role in the murder.

BallBounces said...

Anonymous said...
ok. so they are career criminals. got it. also 'another' burglary/rape. did they execute anyone else?

You need this to be an execution in order to implicate Davey Blackburn. However, all evidence at this point points to this being a murder, not an execution.

JJBB said...

"I have very strong opinions about what lie would have been strong enough to cause a father to leave his church and move to another state."


I am curious about this reference. What is this? Is this a reference to DB's father? I think I have missed something. I've never seen this before. Can someone explain this?

JJBB said...

Peter-
You referenced the the statement, "I have very strong opinions. . . father leave his church and move to another state" and wanted to know where the quote came from. Can you explain who the comment is in reference to? Thx.

andrew said...
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Andrew said...

There is a powerful sense of the demonic at work here. Frightening, actually. The contempt for human love, family love. The perverse commingling of sex and violence wih worship. The bizarre, inexplicable behavior of the criminals, DB, and some of his associates. The repeated use of the language of human sacrifice. The inappropriate laughter in hte interviews. The seeming blindness of LE. All of this speaks to demonic activity.

I realize I've probably alienated many commenters who do not buy into this stuff. I don't know what to say other than the plain truth as I perceive it. There is more going on here than a simple crime of passion or even a psychological disorder.

JJBB said...

Andrew--
LE would not be able to collect any evidence of "demonic work." . LE can only collect evidence on what has happened in the Earthly world. Speculation of this wort is too far gone from either SA or any logical look at the evidence and/or circumstances of this crime.

Andrew said...

@JJBB

Yes, I know. The owner may feel free to delete my comment if he wishes.

Anonymous said...

Peter, I may have been the one who asked if anyone can fill in the blanks about DB teen years. I don't know that his lie caused the family to move. I have some down time right now and I will try to find the blogs in my history where he mentions these things.

Give me a few minutes...

Anonymous said...

BB @ 9:28.

the street punks were used precisely because they're stupid. you use what you have. always amazed me how a person soliciting a hitman actually unknowingly hired undercover LE. LE knows societies shady areas. they have their eyes and ears in these places. the average or below average criminal or Wannabe could never hire a professional for a hit. drug sales thru local bars & steroids thru the gyms. having heard of heroine epidemic in certain state I wondered how its possible. many OD deaths. lots of evil trafficing thru our society.

The Beckster said...

She was not out of the house when police came and there are no reports that Davey touched or changed the crime scene.

CJ said...

One more excerpt from Kenneth Wagner's sermon:

To illustrate the concept of "burden" vs. "blessing" (how Amanda's tragedy can be transformed) Wagner describes how much he hates doing admin work, and specifically expense reports (to lots of audience laughter). He tells us how delighted he is to find a church volunteer who offers to do his admin for him, and how happy it makes him to hand his receipts to her and "walk away, wash my hands clean, I'm done."

The singular reference to Amanda's biological (vs. church) family follows. No social introduction, no mentioning specific family members by name; they are a generic group whose behavior is admired by the nurse attending Amanda.

So if order = priority, then as an illustration of how burdens can be blessings, the priority is:

1. Kenneth's burden (admin work) is a church volunteer's blessing.
2. Amanda's family's burden (the senseless and brutal murder of their daughter) is a blessing to the nurse who witnesses their grieving, and by extension the whole world who is watching to see, "how can they get through this?"

Anonymous said...

Andrew.
your comment is the bullseye. no need to offer deletion. so called christions have no discernment. zero. butts in seats. false teachers. leaders. a degree does not qualify one to represent the person whose name has been reduced to a swear word of a magical word. its all carnal. millions in book sales, seminars. yet evil thrives. ask any young Christian who George Fox is. I never saw his journal in a christian bookstore. never heard his name mentioned in a sermon. never heard his name on christian radio. never. why? Read the journal of george fox. the kingdom of God rose up against the kingdom of evil. the truth had an opening then.

kimisan03 said...

@CJ,
That link to the other sermon you posted was beautiful! That is EXACTLY what I expect a Christian memorial service to be like!

Anonymous said...

They have a ton of pictures on the amanda grace blackburn remembering facebook. Even the inside of their home is shown as Amanda was decorating it. Two big swords on the wall. Anyway, my point being, this home is pretty small and appears to be taken care of meticulously. How did Davey NOT know this was a crime scene? Davey appears to be extremely close to the family, it is possible the fam has blockers on and can't see Davey for what he is. One thing is certain, there is no shortage of money in this family.

Pak31 said...

First to BB, your comments were fine. Don't be sorry. I think the anonymous poster who reprimanded your post for not being brief was just plain rude. It was uncalled for. But that's how some people are. Anyway regarding DB, I'm just astounded.....astounded at the similarities of his preaching and actions etc to the actual crime that took place. No way is this murder just a random robbery gone bad. No way. You can't tell me that police aren't looking at everything we are and not seeing what we see! I think the statement from police before the robbers were caught, about "you're not as smart as you think you are" speaks volumes. Why? Because nothing these robbers did was smart. They didn't hide anything. They didn't commit this crime without being detected or sneaky or covering their tracks. They made it easy to be caught. So why the statement from police? Sounds like they are referencing DB. Because HE certainly thinks he's home free at this point. He's cocky, heartless and smooth. He thinks he can hide behind his church and do as he pleases. If I am wrong I'll certainly eat crow but something is not right. Amanda's social media was filled with her love for DB and Weston. Yet DB rarely mentions AB in posts or while speaking.

Anonymous said...

Why not just the publicity and the notoriety this would bring as a motive, as heinous as that sounds? Forget sex, money, an affair, dissatisfaction with marriage. If DB's true personality is narcissism or even just narcissistic tendencies, the satisfaction and attention this would bring to a narcissist thrust in the spotlight is much greater than the loss of a "loved one". Narcissists look at people as objects or extensions of themselves. She may have just been a status symbol to him all along.
Not saying he's guilty, just thinking other reasons for motive here if it turns out he is.

Anonymous said...

Peter, here are the reference points to what I have read about DB's high school years. Someone posted two links for blogs a few days ago; I have only read one. It seems the serious sin was junior year and the family move was right before senior year, so they could be connected.


http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com

May 22, 2006

I flew back down to T-Town (Tuscaloosa, for my non-Southern readers) from Chicago today for my bro's graduation. It was a very memorable time, looking back on my High School graduation and how much the people here in T-Town mean to me. Coping with moving right before my Senior year was not easy but the people here in T-Town welcomed me with arms wide open and I will never be able to fully express my appreciation. I'm so proud of my bro, too. My prayer is that no matter what life brings his way, he will be passionate about making a difference in people's lives for Jesus Christ.

April 10, 2006

Wow, I know my brother and I have been pains in the you-know-what to put up with before. I look back at a few years in high school that I put my parents through utter Hades. But my dad has always loved me unconditionally; despite the grief I may have caused him at one time or the other. Did that mean I was never disciplined? SHOOT! Of course not! My dad laid into me a few times more than I would like to remember. But it was never out of rage, contempt, or anger.


My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world

Anonymous said...

March 26,2006

Lisence to Sin - Maybe for James Bond

Wow! This weekend has been one thing after another! Once again I didn't get the work done that I needed to because crazy stuff came up! To make a long story short, we won one out of three against Faulkner this weekend. Right after the game on Saturday night, we had some serious internal team problems dealing with dishonesty and cheating. Having to sit by and watch some of my teammates suffer in their decisions was a scary thing, especially since a couple of these guys are brand new Christians and are just now realizing that their actions have consequences. It was NOT a good situation and it just reminded me about the consequences that accompany each and every one of our actions. My parents always told me it takes a lifetime to build up a reputation but one stupid decision to make it all come crashing down. AND THAT'S SO TRUE!

Tonight at Newspring, Perry talked about David and how severe his consequences were with his sins (You can check it out for yourself in 2 Samuel 11). Just think, David slept with his best friend's wife and then had his best friend killed when she got pregnant. He tried to cover one mistake up with another. Two wrongs DON'T make a right. Have you ever tried to lie your way out of a lie and it just keeps piling up until you are so far in you don't know how to move, let alone get out of it. That's what happened this weekend with the team. Emotions flared, tempers scourged, and some of the guys were forced to grow up and take responsibility for their actions.

I'm reminded of that Relient K song, "I So Hate Consequences":

"And I so hate consequences
And running from you is what my best defense is
Consequences
Oh God, don�t make me face up to this
And I so hate consequences
And running from you is what my best defense is
Cause I know that I let you down
And I don�t want to deal with that

It just now hit me this is more than just a set back
And when you spelled it out, well, I guess I didn�t get that
And every trace of momentum is gone
And this isn�t turning out the way I want "

I remember my Junior year of High School, I got caught in a serious lie that affected my reputation with my teachers, the faculty at my school, and my baseball coach. I had spent several years building up a reputation and in one fail swoop, everything I had worked for crumbled in my hands. I had never felt so alone and empty. Even my friends didn't look at me the same after that. They all knew the life that I professed, but all that mattered to them was that my actions had not lined up with my talk. It took me a long time to build my credibility back up with my teachers, friends, and my parents.

But, to be honest with you. I wouldn't change that situation if I could, because that situation taught me that I can't get away with lies, I can't get away with sin, and it has partially made me into who I am today. Here are three things the Bible points out that we have to do when confronted with sin in our life and the consequences of that sin.

Anonymous said...

Excellent post Lynda, @ 1:17 am and 12:15 am. I just hope someone in Indy LE connected with this case is reading these posts and taking them seriously; however, I do not have a good feeling about their thoroughness of looking into Davey's possible involvement, since LE made no efforts to even consider him a POI right from the beginning, ignoring vital evidence that normally would be investigated under general rule of thumb guidelines. I mean everything ignored! They didn't.

How many times have our missing child cases been thoroughly explored right here on Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis blog, where guilty parties were clearly identified by the evidence that LE had in front of them and nothing was ever done by the LE agencies involved? Many. I'm sorry to say, but I'm not sure it will be any different this time either. ABB

Anonymous said...

So the lie was junior year of high school.

He says he put the family throu hades.

The move was right before senior year.

The move seems to be described as tramautic (crying).

BallBounces said...

Here's the original "caught in lie" post:

Anonymous Anonymous said...
DB and AB are both pastor's kids, right? In the pg announcement, DB says he is praying for the congregation because you know how pastor's kids are. (Meaning what, i dont know)

We know DB has blogged about how he was caught in a lie in high school that tore down his reputation he had worked so hard to build. He references difficult teenage years where he gave his parents trouble. He blogged about how the family had to move right before his senior year started. (Unknown if this was dad work related to his behavior related)...

Can anyone fill in the blanks?

November 27, 2015 at 4:31 PM

Anonymous said...

Btw, all his recent tweets and posts from 3-6 am suggests to me he is possibly unmedicated bipolar and on a manic phase. Unmedicated bipolars change brain chemistry and cause subsequent manics to be worse and worse. Psychotic breaks can occur. This would also explain his alleged (haha) dialated pupils (aka crazy eyes) in interviews.

It could theoretically explain his junior year of high school and how in his 2006 blog he seems manic and Seems to see himself as jesus like in some posts.

BallBounces said...

Re: Caught in Lie -- this is from the "What Detectives Think" post:

Foolsfeedonfolly said...
Anonymous said... @ 9:13 A.M. November 26, 2015 Amanda Balckburn Murder: Opinions Part 1 of 3

I brought this over because Anonymous' post is a great find. I'm pretending this is just a random person speaking. These are just my opinions, as I hopefully understand Statement Analysis. This is long, I know...please bear with the me.

1. "... I remember my Junior year of High School, I got caught in a serious lie...
"Got caught" is passive language, avoiding personal responsibility. This is not to say "I lied." Note the lie is a "serious" lie. What does the subject consider a serious lie? A lessor lie? That the subject has categories for lying tells us that he lies; this is not an exception, but rather a practice. Note the lie is nameless and without detail, at the point of this "confession" to this audience. Who is the intended audience? The subject wishes to hide the nature of the lie from this audience.

2. "...that affected my reputation with my teachers, the faculty at my school, and my baseball coach.
The subject's primary concern is his reputation, not his moral failure of telling a (single lie) or multiple lies (serious vs. non-serious). Note the continuing lack of concern for how his "serious lie" has impacted others.

3. "...I had spent several years building up a reputation and"
This speaks to a concerted and strategic effort to engage and manipulate others to produce a favorable outcome (i.e. win people over). His targets/audience? His teachers, the faculty at his school, his baseball coach. Who is "the faculty at my school"? Principals? Athletic Directors? Guidance counselors? Note that the people he has sought to manipulate, convince, win over are those in authority over him. Note this "remembrance" is being shared with an audience and the subject has indicated he has willingly and skillfully manipulated and deceived others for "several years".

4. "in one fail swoop,"
Note the spelling error- the expression is "one fell swoop", yet the subject writes "fail" in recounting his failure in his ability to deceive. "In one fell[sic] swoop" is casual language,directly contrasting the "serious" lie". The subject is attempting to distance himself from responsibility in the lie. "..in my hands" signifies power, influence.

5."everything I had worked for crumbled in my hands..
What is the "everything" the subject had worked for? The reputation he spent years building up. Note "everything" is carefully crafted and "crumbled in his hands"- Dramatic language for effect speaks to his awareness of the audience and his ability to manipulate. Note that instead of working on his character, the effort was expended on his reputation,how he presented himself. Note the context now, he is presenting this remembrance to a target audience he wishes to influence.
November 26, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Anonymous said...

It sure doesn't sound like DB's big lie caused his family to move from what has been published above!

Be careful not to embellish. There is enough to speculate about already.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Thank you, Ball Bounces...new article up shortly.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Andrew-- totally agree with your comment. What better way for Satan to infiltrate Christians then through the church itself?
Guilty or not, his whole Christian façade stinks anyway. I'm a Christian myself, but also a social worker and can spot personality disorders and other dysfunction a mile away.

BallBounces said...

Re: "Caught in Lie" -- Here is the original post:

Anonymous said...
I've copied and saved the text from DB's old blog and can search for phrases. Post from March 2006 includes reference to lying in high school and "to be honest with you"

"...
I remember my Junior year of High School, I got caught in a serious lie that affected my reputation with my teachers, the faculty at my school, and my baseball coach. I had spent several years building up a reputation and in one fail swoop, everything I had worked for crumbled in my hands. I had never felt so alone and empty. Even my friends didn't look at me the same after that. They all knew the life that I professed, but all that mattered to them was that my actions had not lined up with my talk. It took me a long time to build my credibility back up with my teachers, friends, and my parents.

But, to be honest with you. I wouldn't change that situation if I could, because that situation taught me that I can't get away with lies, I can't get away with sin, and it has partially made me into who I am today. Here are three things the Bible points out that we have to do when confronted with sin in our life and the consequences of that sin.
..."
November 26, 2015 at 9:13 AM

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Does he say that the move was the result of the lie, or is that what happened following the lie?

It may be as a result of the lie, but I am interested if, elsewhere, he directly related it.

Anonymous said...

If anyone can give me the link to the other blog, I'll search through it.

BallBounces said...

Re: In My Chuck T's Blog:

According to WEDNESDAY, JUNE 28, 2006 Spinning Wheels blogpost, the blog author identifies himself as "Davey".

He also uses "we" extensively in this blogpost. It may be the royal we, since he's not talking about anyone else.

According to MONDAY, JUNE 26, 2006 EMPOWERING! post, the blog author again identifies himself as "Davey".

I learned a valuable lesson the other day. . .I'm not Superman! Wow it took me a while to figure that one out! No seriously, I'm not Superman, I'm not Batman, nor am I any other superhuman hero dude. I'm Davey. Your average American, twenty-year old, un-married, and I have limits.

BallBounces said...

Here's the link to the 2006 In My Chuck T's blog:

http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com

BallBounces said...

Here's the specific blogpost Peter was asking about:

http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html

Anonymous said...

Andrew, I agree with you 100% about the demonic activity and make no apologies for it. If there's one thing I admire about Catholicism, it is that they clearly warn about satan and the demons. And rightly so. The demons and demon possession is very real. Of course, there are many other things I admire in their teachings, such as their call to feed the poor, the homeless and HIV patients.

I know for a fact this is true. I was on the board of a mission who took food to them to help with their work, also to the private home the sisters provided for male HIV patients. They are good people, devoted to their cause, not cheating them like I've seen some mission workers do.

They happen to be right about the demons, many people fall victim to demonic activity and don't even realize it! I have seen many things regarding their activities; it is a very frightening realm one doesn't want to know or see. It was through this that Jesus found me and rescued me. I am a very blessed woman. All good things are from above; but "where there is confusion and strife there is every evil work." Evil is from satan, so is Amanda's murder, ordered by satan. God does not kill us or order us to be killed,nor is it his will. ABB

Louise K said...

Unmedicated bipolars usually don't murder their wives and unborn babies, nor create and extensive staging scenario.

Love how Everyone Whos a FREAK is suddenly bipolar

Calling DB unmedicated bipolar is like calling Hitler a little bit cranky.

Louise K said...

I think DB is possessed
possessed with his own sense of superiority
grandiosity
Not a friggn demon FFS
ALL evil comes straight from the hearts and minds of Man
To deny that or lay blame on another unworldly force - what, if I stole a cupcake its the Devil? PULEASSSE

Organised Religion have got this all wrapped up eh? If you're lucky its Gods work, if you're a criminal its the Devil.

Apparently Organised Religious have an Excuse For Every Occasion

It wasn't me your honor it was a demon that looked like me<<< uh huh...

The only thing DB worships apart from the mirror is the Almighty $$$$

Anonymous said...

By "Canada"

911 calls are public record ...but not when an active investigation is taking place. This likely explains why they have not been released.

Also, I note that DB's fb friends include not a small number of TV news personalities in the Indy area and that the coverage has been fawning. Perhaps they have not asked for the 911 tapes?

Any citizen may ask for them under a Freedom of Information request.

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to another older blog of DBs:

caipha.blogspot.com

If either of these blogs disappear, I've copied the entire text of both and can search them.

Also - the blog where Davey mentions moving just before his senior year doesn't mean his whole family moved. It sounds like he is back in town for his brother's graduation. Maybe Davey just had to leave town and complete his senior year elsewhere while the rest of the family stayed in Tuscaloosa.

Bobcat

Anonymous said...

OOPS. I misread that move to Tuscaloosa. Disregard previous post.

Bobcat

Anonymous said...

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/amanda_blackburn_case_indianap.html

"Davey Blackburn attended Shades Valley and Tuscaloosa County High Schools. His father preached for several years at Brookview Wesleyan Church in Birmingham."

What happened in Birmingham? 2002-2004

Bobcat

Anonymous said...

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/indianapolis_pastor_whose_wife.html

"Blackburn's father, David Blackburn, pastored Brookview Wesleyan Church in Birmingham several years ago, Pastor Thomas George posted on Facebook. Efforts to reach George were not immediately successful today."

I'll bet Pastor George knows quite a bit.

Anonymous said...

Search - Davey Blackburn Shades Valley

Louise K said...

...so what did ole Davey do to get kicked out of Shades Valley I wonder...

Baseball star and all yet Rejected and had to go to another school

Mustve been bad

Along the lines of ...cheating? Bullying? Sexual harassment? Drugs?

I suppose we'll never know. Or maybe we will.

Maggie said...

According to this article, he attended Shades Valley after Tuscaloosa, so he must have been tossed from Tuscaloosa High

"Davey Blackburn is from Tuscaloosa and attended Tuscaloosa County High School before moving to Shades Valley High School while his father was pastor at Brookview Wesleyan Church in Birmingham. Davey and Amanda Blackburn married in 2008 and moved to Indianapolis in 2012 to start the Resonate Church."

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/11/images_show_suspect_in_home_in.html

Anonymous said...

Maggie - one of the reporters has it wrong.

http://wiat.com/2015/11/13/husband-of-murdered-pregnant-woman-ties-to-alabama/

"Amanda Blackburn’s husband, Davey Blackburn, went to Shades Valley High School through his junior year. His family moved to Tuscaloosa for his senior year.

“It was very surreal, you know I know him and I know his family. It’s very hard to process and I can only imagine how hard it is for him to process that three days ago it was a normal Tuesday and now as far as his earthly life, everything has changed,” Derek Irons, head coach of Oak Mountain High School said.

Derek Irons coached Davey Blackburn for several years in a summer league."

Bobcat

Anonymous said...

I am confused. What states that DB was "tossed" or kicked out of a high school he attended. I don't read that anywhere...

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:08
"tossed" was a speculative statement - no known facts (yet) to back that up.

Maggie - another report reflecting years at Birmingham and the Tuscaloosa.

http://www.wdam.com/story/30507085/pastor-whose-pregnant-wife-was-killed-during-home-robbery-has-ala-connections

"His father, David Blackburn, was Family Pastor at First Wesleyan Church from 2003-2007 in Tuscaloosa. Prior to that, David Blackburn was Lead Pastor at Brookview Wesleyan Church in Birmingham from 1993-2003."

Bobcat

BallBounces said...

Anonymous Anonymous said… I am confused. What states that DB was "tossed" or kicked out of a high school he attended. I don't read that anywhere…

* * *

The assumption that DB was kicked out of high school has its origin in this statement (posted above):

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"We know DB has blogged about how he was caught in a lie in high school that tore down his reputation he had worked so hard to build. He references difficult teenage years where he gave his parents trouble. He blogged about how the family had to move right before his senior year started. (Unknown if this was dad work related to his behavior related)… Can anyone fill in the blanks?"

---

As far as I can see, there is no evidence before us that he either "had to leave" or was "kicked out".

BallBounces said...

Blogger Peter Hyatt said...
Does he say that the move was the result of the lie, or is that what happened following the lie?

It may be as a result of the lie, but I am interested if, elsewhere, he directly related it.

November 28, 2015 at 12:46 PM

* * *

I haven't seen any data to indicate that the move was a result of the lie.

I believe the assumption that DB was kicked out of high school and/or the family had to move has its origin in this statement (posted above):

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"We know DB has blogged about how he was caught in a lie in high school that tore down his reputation he had worked so hard to build. He references difficult teenage years where he gave his parents trouble. He blogged about how the family had to move right before his senior year started. (Unknown if this was dad work related to his behavior related)… Can anyone fill in the blanks?"

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Anonymous said...

I did find something regarding the move! DB blog April 10, 2006:

"My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world."

Link to full post - lots of tidbits in there!
http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Bobcat

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @6:06 PM

This news story includes a photo of a carpet-cleaning company in the Blackburn's driveway. I'm assuming this photo was taken after the murder.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/11/woman-28-injured-morning-shooting-northwestside/75254320/ -Lee

Pak31 said...

If anything good comes from all of this, I would say that this situation has exposed DB for what he is. Knowing that he's not really a true Christian, because it wouldn't be about the money/numbers if he were, helps me believe Amanda didn't die in vain. She was the good through all of this and DB was the evil. Even if it turns out he had nothing to do with her death, it still exposes him as a self, vain, fraud and she was a sweet, loving angel.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Is that a security system sign (small blue) in front of home??

Anonymous said...
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lynda said...

Anonymous said...
Peter, is English your second language?

November 28, 2015 at 9:19 PM


Huh? What's that about Anon?


I said before that I think that Davey's "pedigree" might be helping a bit. His Grandparents were on the Board at Wesleyan? I believe, his cousin is VP of another college, long line of clergy..there's power there, and money.

Anonymous said...

I pray to God she WAS unconscious Anon @1:13 am, and not feeling her pain. That would be the best we could hope for. Amanda suffered greatly from beginning to end of the intruders in her home until she floated into unconsciousness. I just hope it was soon.

Lynda, another great post @1:17, always accurate and thorough, IMO.

ABB

lynda said...

DAvey's inspirational message for this morning..

Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.” Psalm 30:5

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

God Bless Weston and those that grieve for Amanda..The Lord is close to the broken-hearted

lynda said...

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn Nov 25
My life is not my own, I have been bought with a price


Yep

C said...

Just to play Devil's advocate here and present a different possibility. I have looked at Davey's twitter account and the church videos. I live several states away and I was easily able to grasp Davey's schedule of when he goes to the gym, his value of Amanda's sexual purity, that they went on a romantic trip two weeks prior to her murder (which made me think going somewhere to pay off a hitman and arrange things), the video where he uses a gun two days prior to her murder PLUS made the public announcement of her pregnancy two days prior to the murder. I also THEN looked at Amanda's business facebook account, Meg's (the former intern and babysitter) facebook account and etsy shop. On July 1 Meg announces she is moving to Indiannapolis to live with the Blackburns. Near end of July she is packing to move. It doesn't say when she actually moved, however, it does strike me that Amanda must have gotten pregnant about the time of the move. I also noticed Amanda used to hit like on Meg's business facebook page prior to the move but then stopped liking stuff in the past two months. It also struck me that perhaps Amanda (uncomfortable and perhaps suspicious of the relationship between Meg and Davey) deliberately became pregnant to hold onto Davey and to let someone else know that YES they were still sexually involved. Amanda was dead TWO days after her husband publicly announced her pregnancy during the same video where he is waving around a gun. Anyone (including gansters who could follow his facebook, twitter, and videos) who have an ax to grind with Davey Blackburn, or don't but would consider it a bonus to rob and kill his wife, could easily set up a scenario to make him look guilty. Leaving her half naked also tarnished the one thing he seemed to value and that is her purity. There are a lot of possibilities. Since the blog comments focus on just Davey as a suspect, I thought I would just toss out a few more as food for thought. I am sure LE is investigating them all. --C

C said...

Jealousy is sometimes a powerful motivator. There is also a female bodybuilder/fitness instructor who comments on Amanda's facebook page telling her if she wants to get her sexy body back she knows where to find her. I went and looked at that female's page and she is married with a couple of kids and was in the process of working on a beach house. She also comments on her own facebook page about Amanda's murder and makes reference to casually knowing both Amanda and Davey. In one of Davey's videos he makes reference to a woman (fitness person) who smelled of wood scent and says something about working on a house.

If Davey was having an affair (with one or more women), knows he bad mouthed his wife, knows the public suspects him, knows he left the door open, actually is relieved or happy to be out of the marriage, maybe suspects a mistress of orchestrating Amanda's death--perhaps everything combined creates a lot of guilt in him to result in him appearing guilty of involvement, even if he is not. He could have indirectly caused the murder (or he may feel he did)even if he has no direct knowledge of it. I admit my initial and ongoing instinct is that he is guilty of hiring it done, but there really are so many possibilities. I think he would have to be incredibly stupid to leave so many obvious clues that he did it unless he enjoys playing a cat and mouse game with LE like many serial killers do. Who knows for sure? Time will hopefully tell.

Tania Cadogan said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did find something regarding the move! DB blog April 10, 2006:

"My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world."

Link to full post - lots of tidbits in there!
http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Bobcat


Interesting.
This caught my eye in particular I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world."
Note the introduction of body posture sat indicating tension.
This seems to be a major overreaction to what would appear to be a simple move to a new city, to a new job, a new church.
I would expect to hear about excitement, happiness, knowing where god was leading them to, to reach new people.
it would be something looked forward to.

crying, hugging, and praying,not knowing where God was going to lead us
These is all negative emotions.
It implies unwillingness, despair, fear, punishment perhaps?
i read this and looking at davey's previous comments about a serious lie and how it affected his reputation, it lead me to wonder if they had to move because of what he did?
It would also fit in with the tension as revealed by body posture.
He notes ourwhole family rather than mywhole family.
Also note he introduces the qualifier whole which would lead me to ask who was there?

It sounds like they were unwilling, they were obliged to move rather than being called to a new place or being asked to move to a new place

holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying
what is his definition of holding?
What is his definition of hugging?
If you hug someone,you are holding them.

Tania Cadogan said...

cont.

You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else
This smacks of an involuntary relocation.
Moving home is stressful at the best of times especially if you have lived in a house for many years.
It is even more stressful when moving to a new house in a different city in a different state.
It is literally starting with a blank sheet, needing to meet new neighbors, make new friends, meet new teachers, new coaches, new pastors, new parishioners.
If this is related to the serious lie davey says he told, there are few lies that would require this.
It would be a serious crime such as rape, paedophilia or perhaps murder, that would force the move to a place where they were unknown, the serious lie(crime) was not known about.
Other 'lies' such as drug dealing, burglary,being gay/bisexual, cheating etc would not require a move to a new location for the whole family.
if it was something he did then they could have sent him to stay with other family members in another city or state, leaving his father to continue his work.
His father could use his son as an example of what not to do and how to show forgiveness.

Whatever it was, it was so bad that the whole family had to relocate and start afresh.
Amanda spoke of "Davey's "really close friends" had a very promiscuous past and that he met his now-wife in college and she hadn't ever even had a boyfriend, they started their own church, and they are even expecting a baby now."
This sounds as if she is referring to herself and davey using the old 'friend' excuse to avoid taking ownership.
Would this explain why the whole family had to relocate due to something sexual that davey did?

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Interesting, Tania.

That a forced relocation would cause stress is evident in anyone who has lost a job and been forced to move, but to do so because of a child??

You can bet DB's family would have his doubts when hearing doubts when they heard Amanda was dead and he was already planning the invitations to his church.

In Davey's language, it was not something he did, but a lie he told.

It is very difficult to think of a single lie being told that would cause an entire school to become disappointed in him and force his family to leave state.

It is an action that is behind the lie.

Peter

Peter

lynda said...

Davey has a lot of direct relatives in positions of power in academia..perhaps that is why "school" was so important that he may have had to leave?

Unknown said...

Some know that I am one of the admins on the Amanda Facebook Page. I have received a private email from one of the family friends. His letter was threatening. He said that the page will be closed down. Anyway, if that happens, it happens, I have receive threats like that a lot on my pages.

He made a comment on the page as well that the baby was crying when the husband went in after his phone call. Also, that the dog was in his kennel.

Have a lovely day.

Mdkd6262 said...

I have noticed that in a high percentage of pics that lil Weston is usually looking away from DB as opposed to toward him... and he is almost always deferring to AB

Mdkd6262 said...

What fb page are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

Steve said "It is not likely that the three in custody will give up anyone, and even if a non-shooter is offered no prison time, he still would have to return to his neighborhood as one who told: this is not going to happen."

The non-shooter requested to be transferred to a different correctional facility on July 1st and the order was granted by the judge. Might not mean a thing but I found it interesting.

Anonymous said...

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/attorney-blogger-gary-welsh-dies-in-apparent-suicide/PARAMS/article/40219

<< Attorney blogger Gary Welsh dies in apparent suicide >>

Nothing to see here, folks. Case closed.

(yikes)

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