Saturday, November 7, 2015

Sheriff Van Warnke Statement on Motive

Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke is struggling to figure out the motive for the California knifing by Faisal Mohammad. 
Question for analysis: 
Is he truthful? Is he really struggling to find the motive?
He said that Faisal Mohammad wrote about "beheading" and "Praise Allah" in his written document. 
 Here are some of Van Warnke's statements.
First, regarding the slasher's manifesto:  
“No. 27 was to ‘make sure people are tied down,’ No. 28 was “sit down and praise Allah.  I remember seeing four or five times, scribbled on the side of the two-page manifesto, where he wrote something like ‘praise Allah.’”
Here, with the suspect shot dead, the investigator "remembers" something he said was written "four or five times."  If something is written this often, given the context and the time elapsed, what would cause, "I remember" in his language? The phrase he "remembers" seeing is "praise Allah" which he ascribes to being "four or five times."  This should suffice to leave a strong imprint in memory, unless the subject, himself, struggles with memory.  We look at his next quote to see if this same word will be needed, or if he struggles with detail.  

Context is important.  

If this is a regular event (knifings) and much time has passed, we could expect some vagueness in detail.  
Since it has only been days, and the context is violence ending with the suspect shot dead, who had planned this assault, it is likely that "I remember" is an indication of reluctance on Warnke's part.  

The manifesto has not been released, but Warnke expects it to be within the next few days.
Mohammad’s intended bloodbath began around 8 a.m.,when he burst into his classroom with an 8-inch hunting knife. Police said it would have continued - and possibly claimed lives - if he hadn’t been interrupted by a construction team, and then shot dead by police. 
Here he references the manifesto again, but without the word   "remember."
Please note the abundance of detail given without this word employed, making it very important above:    
There was a gruesome statement he made about wanting to cut someone’s head off and kill two people with one bullet, and he planned to shoot the police,” Warnke said. “He did not have a firearm with him and didn’t seem to have a lot of experience with firearms because he thought he could kill two people with one bullet. He reminded himself in the list to raise the gun slowly. He scripted everything out in chronological order.”
 Warnke continued to maintain that there is no evidence Mohammed is tied to a terrorist group or was inspired by terrorists.
There was nothing to indicate he was doing this because of Allah, or because he was going to be rewarded with 72 virgins, or because of ties to a terror group,” Warnke said. “He appeared to be a devout Muslim, on the strong side of the belief.”
The reluctance to say "a plus be equals c" becomes more evidence in the repletion of the word "Allah."  He quotes it above, and makes it sensitive here, with the deceptive claim that "there was" (not, "there is...")

In using "I remember", we see, in complete context (smaller and greater) that there is no reason to use this word; it is "unnecessary" language; making it very important to him.  That he feels the need to buttress "praise Allah" written "four or five times", is sensitive to him and we are able to see why this is. 
From his quotes we see that Sheriff Van Warnke knows the motive of the attacks is Islamic terror from the koran, but he does want to reveal this.   

Analysis Conclusion:   Deception Indicated. 

23 comments:

BallBounces said...

So, if a white supremacist acted out, praised white supremacism 5 times in a "manifesto", but didn't explicitly say he was doing it b/c of white supremacism, there would be no hint of white supremacism?

Peter Hyatt said...

Correct.

We may learn that the Islamic calls for jihad, praise of allah and cutting off of heads is actually due to The Crusades.

If not for that, he would be alive today.

BallBounces,

I have tried, without success, to imagine the next lunacy claim to hit our country. I have to get sharper at seeing trends.

I have to think "self loathing, suicide" and then consider how I can word something in the very opposite of truth.

Somewhere, somehow, there is a S/A lesson in here.

One anonymous poster commenting on the number of dead in one week by a "few psychopaths" yelling Allah Akbar (it was about 320 dead; a down week), mentioned the baptist church that pickets military funerals as publicity stunts in her post about Islamic dead.

Obsession comes out in language more than we may realize.

Peter

K said...

This is not statement analysis- The kid had that lopsided facial look that indicates birth defect damage. This noticeable asymmetry appears in photos of many murderers- especially serial murderers. I believe he acted out because he was defective- and he would have been defective without Islam. But Islam did give him an excuse for his murderous behavior.

My cousin's son has that facial asymmetry, apparent from about 2 months of age, and is very mean. Stomps on dogs, pulls hair, etc. However, he is so mentally impaired (slow, retarded) that hopefully he will not be able to do harm to others when he is grown. He is only about age 10 now.

Sad that human beings have come so far as a society, yet there is a whole segment devoted to death and destruction. Islam should be deeply ashamed.

Peter Hyatt said...

K,

my post went poof!

I respect that you introduce your opinion as such, and not analysis. Though I know little about face asymmetry (fetal alcohol excluded), your underlining opinion is very similar to the findings of psychologist Nicolai Sennels in working with Muslim youth violent offenders in prisons.

I will find a link for you.

HIs assertion is that those who are marginalized in Islamic society are targeted the most for suicidal attacks to make them feel relevant, including those suffering from depression, anxiety and even those with physical disabilities.

It is fascinating work.

Thank you for an interesting angle. It is similar to high school kids who take an unpopular kid and promise popularity if he does something inappropriate.

It is very shameful.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

K,

begin here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101


Those who suffer in society are told they can find relevancy, something we all need in life, through jihad, while secular muslims conduct "personal jihad", which has become a very popular phrase since 9/11.

Peter

K said...

OT again. I consider myself an open minded person, yet I am afraid of Radical Islam. Not for myself- but for my children and grandchildren. If Islam can not recreate itself as a peaceful religion in the next decade (highly unlikely since they seem to worship violence)- I believe that there will be much bloodshed and destruction in the future of mankind. It makes me sad. Humans killing each other over blood lines. Very sad.

Peter Hyatt said...

Islam cannot be reformed.

Here is why:

reformation is to return to the original "pure" version.

that is what extremest do.

The secular or "non practicing" Muslims are those who like working, making money, listening to music and so on. Islamic supremacists target them.

Sadly, when lines are drawn, for safety sake, they side with Islamists.

When the population of Islamists reaches 5% there is an expectation of violence.

In some countries, 5% of the population is almost 80% of the prison population.

Peter

Stuart said...

Comment:
There is a saying that talking to God makes you pious. Hearing God talk back makes you crazy.
Question:
Did this man act based on what is written in the Koran or what Allah said to him?
Opinion:
People who do things because "God told them to" are often acting out of insanity or because they are narcissistic. For example, some politicians declare that "God told me to run for office"
On the other hand, people who act according to what their holy book says are often simply conforming to the norms of their culture.
Analysis:
The word "manifesto" is often used in reference to a crazed person, but there is nothing to indicate that he is "publicly declaring his policy and aims" any more than the next person who keeps a diary. My Facebook wall is filled with public declarations about policies and aims but I don't call them manifestos. I wouldn't call them manifestos if they were really long posts. This man left behind writing, but there is nothing to indicate that his writing belongs in the category of "manifesto". The word is used to convince us that his thoughts were organized, his act was premeditated, and he wanted his words to be public and to contain a political element. So why were Ismaaiyl Brinsley's statements "posts and rants on Instagram"? It's because that's how the media wanted to portray him not because of the content of what he wrote.

Peter Hyatt said...

News has now confirmed that the FBI had not only wanted the Sheriff's office, but the school that a terrorist was on campus.

The indication of deception was based upon the sensitivity indicators which included "remember" in a most unnecessary manner.

He should be ashamed of himself.

Peter

PS:




Stuart: the Koran directly calls for the spread of Islam by force, and specifies how the force should work, including be headings, and rape.

Some research may indicate to you that Islamists often choose those who are on the fringe of society, or with mental health disorders or even mental retardation, depression, and physical disabilities to do their criminal activity for them.

1400 years straight of physical violence and literal interpretation along with constant Islamic scholars, throughout the centuries affirming that what comes out of the mouth of Iran, for example, or ISIS, is "pure" Islam.

According to the Koran, non practicing Muslims are to be targeted, too.

Get to some of the anti-Jihad websites and open the koran for yourself. It is stunning.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Peter, I think these aspects of Islam are horrifying and nauseating. But how do we know this ugly was in the original version and early Islam creators' beliefs any more than we know for sure Jesus was against homosexuals and was OK with the common practice of public stoning executions for relatively minor offenses?

Obviously neither the Bible nor the Qu'ran was originally written in English, and look at the myriad new versions that came along in each language over the centuries.

With as much greed, corruption, violence and ignorant hate that comes with organized religion it isn't hard to imagine some psychotic, perverted feces stains hijacking it for their own selfish purposes just like the many cults that thrive in our country.

organized religion, not to be confused with a belief in a higher power or greater good.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Peter, I think these aspects of Islam are horrifying and nauseating. But how do we know this ugly was in the original version and early Islam creators' beliefs any more than we know for sure Jesus was against homosexuals and was OK with the common practice of public stoning executions for relatively minor offenses?

Obviously neither the Bible nor the Qu'ran was originally written in English, and look at the myriad new versions that came along in each language over the centuries.

With as much greed, corruption, violence and ignorant hate that comes with organized religion it isn't hard to imagine some psychotic, perverted feces stains hijacking it for their own selfish purposes just like the many cults that thrive in our country.

organized religion, not to be confused with a belief in a higher power or greater good.

klv said...

I hate to say this because I pride myself as a liberal all-inclusive, but I think its possible that certain Islamic indoctrination from childhood produces a higher percentage of sociopathy than "normal".

But listen: We dealt with Nazis, we dealt with KKK, we deal with clinic bombers & skinheads when they break the law----- Why can't we deal with Muslims in the same way? Free to practice their religion but NOT to break secular law.

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klv said...

I hate to say this because I pride myself as a liberal all-inclusive, but I think its possible that certain Islamic indoctrination from childhood produces a higher percentage of sociopathy than "normal".

But listen: We dealt with Nazis, we dealt with KKK, we deal with clinic bombers & skinheads when they break the law----- Why can't we deal with Muslims in the same way? Free to practice their religion but NOT to break secular law.

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foodiefoodnerd said...

klv, you make an excellent point in that we successfully dealt with the Nazis and Communists.
Peter also wrote about this in one of his earlier posts on this subject.

I would take it even further, though, and anyone who commits any violence to another person, deprives any person of his or her civil rights or commits any serious crime in the name of any religion, should serve maximum penalties.

Obviously only after being convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, but with aggravated circumstances increasing the penalties and sentence, as with any cases involving vulnerable victims.

What is more exploitative and personally violating, besides physical violence, than using someone's deepest faith, and core beliefs and value system, to gain an unfair advantage and cripple their will or ability to defend themselves?

One doesn't have to believe in God (or Allah) personally to comprehend that is the lowest form of life.

But we need to be equally aware of how many were wrongly accused and deal severely with anyone who intentionally lies or misleads the public by mis-identifying someone out of petty revenge.

Look how many were falsely outed as Communists and their careers, reputations and life savings gutted before they were cleared, if ever.
And that was well before the internet era, of course, where it's now global within 10 minutes..

Does anyone remember the old Twilight Zone episode The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street?
Yeah, just imagine that one playing out with the growing mob charging to and fro via viral Twitter updates and Facebook invites...

Peter Hyatt said...

Fools, it is difficult to know where to begin to answer you, so just a few things to ponder.

We are all "religious" in the sense that we all have a "god" or a final authority on right from wrong. I simply ask someone to identify where their judgment comes from historically. It is quite thought provoking, but for another time.

Koran and Bible issue.

First, the Bible:

In the original languages, we have prohibitions and severe penalties and historically, in Judaism, there has been a consensus of contextual interpretation: this is why we do not have any history of stoning for offenses. Rabbis commuted the price of a hand, for example, in theft, to a pretty hefty fine. Stealing a sheep, for example, could cause a family to have a member die from malnutrition.

The Koran has parts lifted from the Bible, and for 1400 years, it has had literal interpretation precedent. But there may be a number of reasons for this, not just close marriage, low IQ. The Koran has passages that extremely violent and hateful towards Jews, especially. As the psychologist pointed out, low IQ, close marriage developmental disabilities, and a constant repetition of these "hate passages" (I do not mean this sarcastically, but "hatred" being akin to murder) along with absolute degradation of women

There are psychopathic killers everywhere under every and any banner. We look at major trends. I have accounts of Germans forced to join the Nazi party who hated it, but they do not set the principle.

4000 years of Judaism has produced the highest IQs in the world. Judaism is a religion of persuasion.
2000 years of Christianity produced "Western" thought, growth etc. Christianity is a religion of persuasion and its roots come from Judaism.

1400 years of Islam has produced the lowest IQs, the greatest number of deaths known to mankind, far exceeding all despots of all time, taken together. By forbidding criticism (including sarcasm, which is what a cartoon is), it has insulated itself against any reform.

It is the world's most criminal ideology and its greatest target is Judaism, then Muslims who do not obey, Christians, and then women.

Mohammad was a pedophile and a deviant and his life and writings reflect this. He is their "perfect" man. His religion is filled with sexual violence even unto the "reward" of "70 virgins" await them. His prescriptive rape of non Islam women has produced rape in Sweden, for example, where 3% of the population (Islam) commits up to 95% of the rapes in what used to be one of the world's safest countries.

My personal experiences with Islam range from living in NY on 9/11, seeing the massive celebrations, and not understanding why "moderates" were dancing in the streets, to learning little by little, to interviewing Islamic supremacists about violence (initially) and women about D/V (their acceptance is not denial) and then, the last few years, hearing from people around Europe after posting about the "no go zones", which number in the thousands in Europe. They are not called "no go zones" and even when recognized by governments, minimization is indicated.

I am a student of history, and love it. I have too much experience in dealing with rape victims, to the point of establishing new criteria for interviewers, and so the connection between Islam and rape is dear to me.

From a non-religouis perspective, read the prison psychologists findings from Denmark. Read why he has taken up this fight.

It is against an ideology many times worse than Nazism.

Learn historically what happened when nations had 5% Islam population, 10% Islam population, 25%, and so on.

Consider what supremacy in a world of inequality means, and how violence is the only expected response.

It will be eye opening and saddening.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Fools, here is part two.

When a government has an opinion on anything in life, it has the power to enforce it. Therefore, our founding fathers severely limited government authority and defended Freedom of Speech. Free Speech was designed to protect the one who spoke against government.

In Europe, Free Speech is gone, and criticizing the government will now cost you in fines. Germany, 1930's, started with fines.

Islam forbids any criticism of Islam under the penalty of death; thus assuring that no progress nor reform can ever take place.

We so desperately need to see the warnings before us and protect Free Speech. People cheered when government restricted the size of a soda, but will one day, inevitably, find themselves disagreeing with the latest government opinion.

In Germany, they have an immigration policy. If you disagree with it, you are both "hateful" (character) and "xenophobic" (mentally incapable of an argument), thereby, utterly silencing you.

These two titles are popular today. We saw how more than 1400 girls were raped without protection because of fear of being called a name.

We are at war with truth. We are at war with science. We are at war with nature.

We are, sadly, a divided nation, more than any time in my life.

lying is not only expected, but accepted.

Peter

Anonymous said...

o so sneaky!!!







http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/09/al-qaeda-terror-boss-discovered-on-migrant-boat-authorities-tried-to-hide-news/

Peter Hyatt said...

This is interesting to compare with the Czech medical professional's rant which some thought deceptive You can get more info from Die Welt using Google Translate or Chrome. The translations can be a bit rough, so be prepared for "block" like wording. The theme is the same, however.
Peter


In an interview with Die Welt, Dr. Michael Melter, the chief physician at the University Hospital Regensburg, said that migrants are arriving at his hospital with illnesses that are hardly ever seen in Germany anymore. "Some of the ailments I have not seen for 20 or 25 years," he said, "and many of my younger colleagues have actually never seen them."

Marc Schreiner, director of international relations for the German Hospital Federation (Deutschen Krankenhausgesellschaft), has echoed Melter's concerns:

"In the clinics, it is becoming increasingly common to see patients with diseases that were considered to have been eradicated in Germany, such as scabies. These diseases must be reliably diagnosed, which is a challenge."

Schreiner said that in cases of highly contagious diseases, including tuberculosis, patients must be quarantined, an expensive procedure, the costs of which are paid for by German taxpayers.

According to Schreiner, about 15% of the newly arriving migrants require immediate medical treatment. With 1.5 million asylum seekers expected to arrive in Germany in 2015, this means that 225,000 migrants will have an urgent need for medical attention.

Siegfried Hasenbein, director of the Bavarian Hospital Association (Bayerische Krankenhausgesellschaft), estimates that in 2015, between 25,000 and 30,000 migrants will be treated in Bavarian hospitals alone. In addition, this year between 75,000 and 90,000 migrants will receive ambulatory or outpatient care.

According to Hasenbein, these numbers appear insignificant when compared to the three million hospital visits that normally occur in Bavaria every year. The problem arises in that the migration crisis is straining the Bavarian healthcare system unevenly, with hospitals in migrant "hotspots" such as Deggendorf, Ingolstadt and Passau bearing the brunt of medical care.

Markus Beier, director of the Bavarian Association of Family Physicians (Bayerischer Hausärzteverband), says that doctors in areas with large concentrations of asylum seekers are being called upon all hours of the night and day, making it impossible for them to provide anyone with superior levels of care.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Peter, thank you so much for another deeply insightful, well-thought out response! So many directions of thought my brain is spinning.

There is no worse violation than rape (other child abuse, and racism are next), and no punishment too severe when proven. I don't think anyone, male or female, who is capable of violating another person's body is fixable -- put them down instantly and any humane death is enormous mercy they don't deserve.
On that note:

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"I have accounts of Germans forced to join the Nazi party who hated it, but they do not set the principle."
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It's embarrassingly easy to type from my still-free American home, but I sincerely would rather die than harm others, especially weaker, defenseless others, for any reason, much less to serve some evil POS.
(don't mistake that for bravery; my plan would be suicide when I heard my door break open... :^( )

However, I have never accepted the "I was just following orders!" weak excuse. If the "order" was hand over your entire paycheck every week from now on, someone would find their voice, or at least find a way around the order.

I agree passionately on the importance of free speech, and was angered and troubled by the so-called "free speech zones" Bush's people created. (Not to say that Dems are any better!)

What scares me is how do we protect it, while holding people accountable for reporting truth and for checking their so-called facts?
And how do we attempt to restore some level of integrity to our press?

Freedom of speech means I can call my boss an incompetent moron with no brains, and my boss can call me an unemployed loudmouth with no Christmas bonus.

Accountability is necessary to protect us from those exploiting our basic rights to destroy our quality of life as is being reported in Europe.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Peter, do you know where I could find a reliable, factual English translation of the Qu'ran? I hope you understand I have no wish to defend Islam, but want to better understand, even if it's to know the enemy.

People for and against Christianity are equally adept at isolating Bible quotes they feel support their beliefs, while disregarding those that seem to contradict their view.

But you wouldn't have to study two minutes or make any effort to be an even minimally decent human being if it comes down to, "whatever benefits you and screws your so-called enemies is the path to the promised land," would you?

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We are, sadly, a divided nation, more than any time in my life.
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And THIS is why we can't progress or even fix our many wrongs!!

I've been saying for years that we are far too divided, and increasingly more polarized, much to everyones' detriment, and only get looked upon by all sides as an idiot who doesn't get it.

I don't have an answer, or even know where to begin at this point.
I once told an angry, ranting coworker that I sometimes wish we could introduce proposed bills and laws with no R or D attached, or even a name: our representatives could only consider how a proposal affects their constituents and affects our country as a whole.

She looked at me incredulously, called me a "straight-up, f-ing moron" and literally screamed in my face, "How the f- would they possibly know what to vote for or against?"

The scary part? What started the conversation was her proudly announcing her intention to run for City Council!

foodiefoodnerd said...

Back to our all-important freedom of speech, and supposedly still existing free press: How do we protect and preserve it, while not sitting meekly as evil exploits it to justify rape, slavery and institutional racism?
Or is that itself an oxymoron?

I'm even less sure how to fix this one, but our justice system is fundamentally flawed when victims feel deep, life-altering shame and their violators feel none.

As a child, and even well into adulthood, when friends asked if my father was an alcoholic I said yes, because I was too ashamed to admit the truth, "uh, no, he just really, really didn't want us."

He's been dead for 20 years and out of my life for 38, and I still literally have to piss if I smell his aftershave, compulsively recheck locked doors repeatedly, and can't eat or relax in public with open space instead of a wall or something else safe and solid at my back.

Even our justice system protects proven, convicted violators and their "privacy" rights far more than victims' basic safety rights!

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"We are all 'religious' in the sense that we all have a 'god' or a final authority on right from wrong. I simply ask someone to identify where their judgment comes from historically."
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This part is still going over my head. I do struggle with atheism (still not at all sure!) because of how much evil and cruelty in our world at every level, from individually to entire countries at war.

If it's only a fear of God and hell that stops a person from raping, abusing, enslaving, stealing, that doesn't say much for their character or their humanity.

By that I don't mean following a belief system based on loving God and following Jesus' teachings!! -- only that fear of being held accountable after death isn't higher moral ground than fear of being caught and exposed here.




Saint Theresa said...

Divide and conquer has been working for the power that be since antiquity.


Great posts man.

Anonymous said...

BallBounces said...
So, if a white supremacist acted out, praised white supremacism 5 times in a "manifesto", but didn't explicitly say he was doing it b/c of white supremacism, there would be no hint of white supremacism?
November 7, 2015 at 10:03 AM