Friday, November 13, 2015

Statement of Pastor Finds Wife Murdered

A pastor came home from a gym to find his wife a victim of a home invasion murder.  Davey Blackburn said he was at the gym when he got home and found his wife, Amanda, shot in the head.  News report quoting police say "100%" not involved and the video at the gym shows his alibi.  

He released a public statement.  I am not working on this case and only use that which is in the public domain.  When I work with a case, I do not comment on the case.  

“It’s impossible to communicate all the emotions my heart has been forced to process. My wife was such a beautiful, gracious, loving woman of God. I have not only lost my ministry partner and support, but also my very best friend. There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these. As deeply as I am hurting, I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this. I rest in the truth of Romans 8:28 that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose.
“Amanda made it her life’s calling to love and serve everyone she knew. Even more, she has made it her life’s mission to see as many people as possible come to know Jesus as their personal Savior.”
“I know that in her death and legacy even more people will come to a saving faith in Christ. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt her desire for me would be to continue what we’ve started here in Indy. I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.”

I do not like this statement; this is not expected, nor is it natural. 

Please note:  there is nothing here of which I may conclude deception nor guilt and police have said he is not suspected.  

1.  Justice.

There is no call for justice for Amanda. 

2.  Social Introduction is incomplete.  

a.  How does he relate to Amanda;
b.  How does he relate Amanda to himself, and her children

3.  There is no concern for his neighbors at risk, nor himself.   

He does not express fear for his life, and if his belief system means only focusing upon others, there is no fear for the community at large with such danger abounding. 

There is no denial, but a quick acceptance of his wife's death.  This is very early in the process.  

There is no mention of her as a mother, which is very strange since they have a child and he is now without his mother. Perhaps the subject did not feel she was a good mother, or he had an issue that was acute, about her as mother. 

He does not use her name, initially, which is subtle distancing language, even though she is "my wife" and "woman,"  When he does use "Amanda" it is about her in relation to others, not to him, nor their child. "Amanda" serves everyone, but this does not include her own children.  

There is a good deal of focus upon himself, and not upon his child, and how they are to survive without her.  

There is no mention of the murder of the pre born child.  This is a dominant point in its absence.  To the excited father, pre born children are referenced, spoken to, have music played for, and other such to stimulate brain development.  The expectation is closeness and intimacy and this shows in language. 

I find the use of "I" to suggest narcissistic tendencies, including that he begins with his emotions being impossible to communicate,  and on to the mentioning of his ministry; he is not in despair to consider  at the time of this statement, leaving or suspending ministry.  This narcissistic tendency is consistent with feeling "called" to be "different", (unconventional) which is his claim to reach people that the church does not.  It sounds noble, or modernistic, but not when measured against his own reference point; it is contradictory,  just as his statement may sound inspirational, but not at this time, without human expected emotions.  

It is a statement in denial of natural affected human emotion.  

This is to negate or suspend natural emotion.  

I recognize that there is no allegation of wrong doing, and that he is expressing himself via faith, but the expectation is:

Deep sadness, denial, anger, etc, as well as a call for justice (which is absent) and protection for the community. 

Then, there is her as a "mother", which is conspicuously missing from his statement.  

It is too early for distancing language and the use of "your" is so strange given his child was present for the murder:  it does not get much more up close and personal than this.  

He closes with:

“My focus right now is to let The Lord minister to my heart as I continue to shepherd little Weston’s.  I’ll be taking this time to focus on being a great follower of Jesus, dad, family member, and pastor to our growing church.

His focus is on keeping his ministry and he being "great."

Please note that he is going to "let" The Lord, that is, the Omnipotent God, placing himself in control.  This is also consistent with narcissistic thinking.  This type of "front and center" within ministry becomes 'entertainment' styled:  I listened to the Marriage Q and A, he did with Amanda; it is the same style.  

I do not hear anything about her as a mother to her child, and this is concerning.  The child was present at the time of the murder and he has not expressed anything about the now childless mother.  This is an expected dominant theme:  a baby is motherless and he is now responsible.  This is to say:

As a mother, he distanced himself from Amanda.  

I recognize that people of faith may find this offensive, but there is a woman murdered and her husband has issued an unusual statement that does not sound to my ears to be of faith, but of false, emotional and unrealistic position, instead. 

If genuine faith is the ability to believe in the worst of circumstances, it is "in the worst" of circumstances, not "above" or "outside" them which his wording suggests.  This is an unrealistic stance.  

He appears to be outside or above all natural human connection to the murder, which may impress some, but is not consistent with the claim of that which he stands upon.  Since his standard is Scripture, raised by him, it should be seen in context:  It is not he, himself, laying down or sacrificing his life;  and even if he is above feeling her loss: 

The mother of his child has now been taken away.  There should be, in the least, some concern expressed for this child.  The child is young, incapable of self protection and vulnerable, but there is nothing in his released statement.  Instead, grandiose faith is acclaimed for himself, with no concern, even, for his neighbors who now have a brutal killer out there.  

This is of no concern to him, but his ministry is his concern.  

For those who feel that this is inaccurate, see  examples from Scripture including the mourning of David over Absolam, or the mourning of Christ over Jerusalem.   Both showed natural grief.   

The statement is concerning, and if he has no part in his wife's death, the concern moves towards his own refusal to face the reality of what happened.  


At this point, I would not rule him out as a suspect though the news says he is cleared by police.   Police reported that it may be related to other break ins within the area.  

It is an unrealistic statement and it is unexpected even in the realm of faith.  



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Anonymous said...

Peter, I have noticed some often use "your" and "yourself" to remove themselves from painful situations when not guilty of anything. I've seen the use in trying times such as bad health.

..."to let" means to allow which is what a pastor is expected to do: Allow the Lord to take over
..a great follower" tells me he is a tad bit angry over an intruder taking away his family in such a brutal method.

Perhaps his faith isn't hinged upon research and psychiatry at this point in time and pales in comparison to your faith.

Jewish guilt complex-how can we live happily without one?

rob said...

I'm wasn't feeling it either Peter. My hinky meter went off even before I heard his statement. Odd that a breaking and entering would result in a young woman shot in the head. I would guess that most mothers, upon realizing that someone was in the house, would immediately run to the room their child was in and try and lock the door. And most random robbers would hit the door as soon as they realized someone was home.
First question for me is-does hubby have a girlfriend?
Was wife threatening to leave him?
Did he not want this second child?
Did he take a poly to help clear himself? Or was he too upset?

I'm waiting and hoping that I'm just too cynical.
(I didn't personally know this couple, but they were local to me here in SC)

elf said...

When he says 'even more, she HAS made it her life's mission..' isn't he using present tense by using the word 'has'? Could that be a marble tumbling out to show that maybe he's in denial about what's happened and hasn't realized that what happened is permanent? To me it sounds like he's talking to his congregation (sp) in a preachy, informal way, like we should know who he's talking about when he says Weston and his wife. I do find it concerning that he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that she wants him to stay where he is. If I was his murdered wife, even if I was all Christian and forgiving and what not, I'd want him to leave the dangerous city where I was murdered with my baby that survived and I'd want my killer found.

Anonymous said...

My hinky meter went off as well. Did he hire someone to kill her? I think we're going to discover a mistress in this picture.

Peter Hyatt said...

Well, I am out on a limb on this one!

I only did his public statement; I am not involved in the investigation. If involved, I will not post anything.

Also, he is "100% cleared" and it may be related to a string of robberies.

Yet, the negation of natural human emotion bothers me, and the missing element of "mother and child" suggests that he was not pleased, in some degree, with either her parenting skills, or the pressure of child raising.

I understand if people are angry at me for this one. I've got it coming.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Peter, I have noticed some often use "your" and "yourself" to remove themselves from painful situations when not guilty of anything. I've seen the use in trying times such as bad health.

..."to let" means to allow which is what a pastor is expected to do: Allow the Lord to take over
..a great follower" tells me he is a tad bit angry over an intruder taking away his family in such a brutal method.

Perhaps his faith isn't hinged upon research and psychiatry at this point in time and pales in comparison to your faith.

Jewish guilt complex-how can we live happily without one?

November 13, 2015 at 8:04 AM Delete



Anonynmous,

I agree.

The problem is setting. She has just died. This is very up close and personal. When I saw that his child was home for the murder, it compounds it even more.

It seems to me: too early to distance oneself, unless so numb (disassociated) that coherency is absent.
It isn't.

His statement is one of boasting of himself.

As to 2nd person distancing: it is often appropriate and it comes down to the experience of the analyst in looking at context.

When they arrest the real killer, people will point to this post and say, "what an idiot!"

Yet, even if he has no knowledge of the death, something is very wrong in his view of her as mother and he may have a breakdown from his own unrealistic expectations for greatness in this time of horror.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous wrote:

"Perhaps his faith isn't hinged upon research and psychiatry at this point in time and pales in comparison to your faith."


This could be true and I hope that it is.

It would then give me pause for contemplation as to my own weakness.

At times, I have felt strong faith, and at other times, utter darkness.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Yes, I knew it would not take long for someone to use this to bash an entire group. "Most pastors I know are narcissistic"

I realized how much deletion this post was going to bring...



I'd sign that "anonymously" too.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Early anonymous wrote:

"Jewish guilt complex-how can we live happily without one?"


I was raised Roman Catholic and went to early RC school, then to public school, and then on to prep seminary in high school and was one of ten Irish Roman Catholic children.

I thought RC had cornered the market on guilt. I had a Jewish friend in grade school of whom I spent a lot of time in his home. He would support your statement.

:)

"Catholic? Cath-o-lic? I'm not a Cath - o-lic, I'm a presba-god-damned-terian!"

John Wayne





Peter

John mcgowan said...

The 911 call my yield more either way, if and when it gets released.

Anonymous said...

No mention of the unborn child also murdered. He speaks of God for him but no God for her. Where is the language of his wife and unborn child being in Gods care. I think taking a mother away from her child may be the piece he struggles with and so he cannot bring himself to talk about his wife as a mother.
As soon as I read pregnant, husband at gym, home invasion, and pastor, my hinky meter went off. No points for originality.

lynda said...

He did not mention ONE WORD THAT SHE WAS PREGNANT! He did not touch upon the fact that his wife and UNBORN CHILD where murdered in front of his other child. I read the statement also and he sounded so removed from the murder. It almost seemed that it was an opportunity to postulate that the murder was preordained because something BETTER or GOOD will come from it. As we all know, just because you weren't there, doesn't mean you are innocent. We haven't heard the last of this..it should raise everyone's hinky meter as "burglars" are usually there to burgle...not shoot young, pregnant mothers in the head in front of their child. Brutal.

Peter Hyatt said...

lynda,

it is a dominant piece. Remember, S/A deals with what one says and what one does not say.

Excellent point. I think it speaks to a powerful issue.

Peter

Sus said...

I agree with you, Peter. I don't know if he shot his wife, but I do know he doesn't relate to his wife as the mother of his children. That is especially unexepected at this stage in their life when their son is young and she was 12 weeks pregnant. That is definitely a sign of narcissistic tendencies when he can't see his wife giving attention to his children. When he wants her attention himself.

lynda said...

Peter, as you have told us...order is important

He said

"My wife was such a beautiful, gracious, loving woman of God. I have not only lost my ministry partner and support but also my very best friend," he said. "There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these. As deeply as I am hurting I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this.

She is first his ministry partner support and second his best friend. He did not mention that she was the love of his life, his wife, etc. He did not mention that she was a good mother, or a pregnant woman. He only seems to identify her thru her work with the church and what she did for HIM.

Jen Ow said...

He doesn't even acknowledge their unborn child, who was also murdered! I find his statement very unexpected. He doesn't mention the trauma to their son who was in the home, nor the agony of choosing to remove his wife from life support.

(A move which I also find unexpected for him to take so quickly. Many highly faithful people will request prayers and refuse to take that step initially, even if the situation is deemed hopeless.)

The whole story is raising red flags for me. I would like to hear the 911 call if it becomes available.

Peter Hyatt said...

More points made by astute readers!

romance is missing and in listening to his Q and A on marriage, it should have been a strong element.

In his tape recording with his wife, he is "front and center."

Peter

lynda said...

Church staff at First Baptist Church in Elkhart confirmed Amanda Blackburn is the daughter of the church's lead pastor, Phil Byars.

Husband Davy's father is David Blackburn Sr., a pastor in North Carolina

Anonymous said...

Man! You've edited the "Dickens" out of this post! It doesn't even resemble the original thought process.

Anonymous said...

Whoops! I posted on the wrong article.

Does anyone think the the phrase "her desire for me" is weird? What sounds more natural is, "she would want me to keep going on with my life," which think a lot of people say about their deceased loved ones. But "her desire for me" just doesn't sit right to me. If fact, he uses the phrase "my desire" in his statement as well. That's an interesting contrast. "My desire" and "her desire".


Peter, in the following phrase, is there really an implied "but" in there? "As deeply as I am hurting I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this."
That sounds like, "I am hurting, BUT I am hopeful and confident....."

Jen Ow said...

Another thing that stands out about his statement is that rather than conveying his devastation at the loss of his wife AND child, (the loss of the mother of his son, the loss of their future together, and the loss of the his son's sibling, etc, etc.) he focuses on a hopeful future resulting from this horrific event.

He speaks as if this horrible crime were just part of God's great plan for good things in his life. While finding a way to make peace with a tragedy is definitely a necessary step in the grieving process, it is not expected mere days after a brutal murder derails your entire life, (and the life of your child/children)!

Kathead said...

He could be innocent, but he might have been having serious marital issues and it's leaking out.

The statement bothered me but I cant put it into words.

There IS the possibility he did do it, and made it look tied into the string of robberies as cover.

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Sus said...

I do not know how their new church was doing, but I do wonder if Pastor Davey felt supported by his wife in building it.

He did not mention his wife as a mother. With a one-year old and 12 weeks pregnant, motherhood is very likely where her priorities lay.

The pastor said,"I have NOT only lost my ministry partner and support..."

Later in his statement,"I know beyond a shadow of a doubt HER DESIRE FOR ME would be to continue what we've started here in Indy."

He uses a negative when speaking of losing her support. He needed the extra "beyond a shadow of a doubt" to support what his wife wanted. And her desire was "for ME."

GeekRad said...

If my husband had just been murdered, and horrifically in my home with my child I would be too distraught to even make a statement, much less his flowery solicitous statement. Peter is right, something is very wrong. And a shot in the head sounds professional to me, not the work of a burglar.

admin said...

Pure speculation, but I think he ordered someone to kill her. He hated her (for whatever reason) and wanted to get rid of her. He couldn't do it by divorcing her because he would suffer loss of face in his spiritual community. And considering he's a narcist thats the last thing he would want. His ego is more important than the lives of his wife and unborn child. So killing her was in his eyes 'the best way out'. Considering Amanda was shot in the head makes me think it was the work of a stranger. Although Davey hated her, I doubt it he could shoot his wife in the head, so he hired someone to do it for him. Again, this is pure speculation, but in my eyes a possible scenario. The lack of expected emotions concerns me a lot too.

Anonymous said...

Did no one hear a dog bark? Perhaps his ministry was a money laundering operation for the mob and the killer lost the piano wire intended for her death?

The commetns reek of bowel!

John mcgowan said...

Posted on FB

Resonate Church
3 hrs ·

Dear Resonate Family,

I cannot thank you enough for the unbelievable outpouring of love that you have shared with my family over the past few days. As many of you know, my wife Amanda Grace and our unborn baby have been tragically killed.

We are going to have church this Sunday, just like we always do. In addition to meeting together at our normal service times, we are going to focus on celebrating Amanda’s life later Sunday afternoon. Please join me at Traders Point Christian Church at 5:00pm. We are going to worship, share the gospel through sharing Amanda’s story, laugh together and cry together. Her heart would be that you invite as many people as possible to this celebration service that do not know the Lord. Amanda’s story has attracted national news. I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so in the event someone from the media tries to speak with you, simply respond by asking everyone to join us in prayer for my family. You can let them know that we have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and believing that great things are still yet to come.

Davey

https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy/

John mcgowan said...

"my wife Amanda Grace and our unborn baby have been tragically killed."

Apart from mentioning his unborn baby above, he doesn't mention praying for him/her.

"celebrating Amanda’s life"
"We are going to worship, share the gospel through sharing Amanda’s story"

Nothing about his dead unborn child.

Was it his child?

"that great things are still yet to come."

Here we have that phrase again, or very close to, making it sensitive.

What great things are still to come?

Peter Hyatt said...

katpoint,

I agree.

If he did not have guilty knowledge, he has all but declared something very seriously wrong between them.

In the Q&A. he talks about marital problems.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Dear Resonate Family,

I cannot thank you enough for the unbelievable outpouring of love that you have shared with my family over the past few days. As many of you know, my wife Amanda Grace and our unborn baby have been tragically killed.

We are going to have church this Sunday, just like we always do. In addition to meeting together at our normal service times, we are going to focus on celebrating Amanda’s life later Sunday afternoon. Please join me at Traders Point Christian Church at 5:00pm. We are going to worship, share the gospel through sharing Amanda’s story, laugh together and cry together. Her heart would be that you invite as many people as possible to this celebration service that do not know the Lord. Amanda’s story has attracted national news. I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so in the event someone from the media tries to speak with you, simply respond by asking everyone to join us in prayer for my family. You can let them know that we have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and believing that great things are still yet to come.

Davey


There are things here, too, that are concerning.

"like we always do" and "normal";

"laugh" comes before "cry", as there is, indeed, a time of mourning. This is not a time to laugh. There is a killer loose in the community who took A HEAD SHOT at his wife! "Extremely heavy hearts", so come for laughter?

Then, he tells people what they should say to media.

This speaks to control.

Peter

John mcgowan said...

Why is he distancing himself from his dead unborn child? Is it because the pain is to unbearable to even comprehend?
Did he not want another baby>
Was it his?
Did he want a termination or his wife?
Does he feel guilt for not being there to protect them?

I agree, that it is to early to call. His language however, is odd to say the least

GeekRad said...

I'm with you admin. I think he hired a professional to kill her.

lynda said...

Just watched an hour press conference that was the biggest hot mess I have ever seen. They had everyone there except the president. AG, COP, Prosecutor, SAC FBI, Pastor, Sheriff, Forensic Lab Director, the list goes on and on. At the very end, they spoke of Amanda's case..

Chief HIte? said, they have him on video, Black male, medium build and complexion..5'4 - 5-9 wearing a hoodie pulled around his face. They see him going up to Amandas house and the cop said, (Which I think is rather bold) HE is the one who killed her. Husband left at 6:11 am and they say this perp walking from the house that was attempted break in to her house. Neighbors heard shot at 6:45 or so. Husband comes home at 8:30 and she is still alive. Another cop says..NO ONE acts alone even tho this was a single male that is on video. Says TV's laptops etc. were taken. Said dark SUV spotted in area. Then they stated NO FORCED ENTRY, not your "typical" home invasion. Why are they calling it a home invasion in the first place then? Isn't a home invasion when someone kicks down a door or window and comes blazing in when people are home? I find that odd.

John mcgowan said...

NewSpring pastor Perry Noble reflects on Amanda Blackburn's death

ANDERSON, SC (FOX Carolina) -
Sometimes when tragedy strikes, it’s even difficult for a pastor to explain. The murder of Amanda Blackburn in Indiana is one of those times for Pastor Perry Noble, who is coping with the loss hundreds of miles away in Anderson.

"You can ask questions, you can express hurt, anger, frustration,” said Noble, the pastor of NewSpring Church. “God's not intimidated by any of that. He's not. That was my initial reaction, this sucks and then anger and now I'm to the place where the Bible really does say that God will use all things for his good and even though I can't see that right now, I've got to believe that."

Note the pastor Perry Noble express's anger initially (expected), something that is missing from pastor Davey Blackburn's statement (unexpected)

Noble is reacting to the unsolved homicide case out of Indianapolis involving former NewSpring member and volunteer Amanda Blackburn.

Investigators said she was shot in the head during an armed robbery at her home. She was pregnant at the time. A one-year-old child in the house at the time was not hurt.

Noble said Blackburn’s husband Davey previously worked for the church and helped establish the Greenville campus.

Noble said he met Amanda through Davey. Noble said Davey was the outgoing one but Amanda always left an impression.

"You remember Davey walking in the room, you remember Amanda when you left the room,” Noble said. “She had the ability to pull people in and make them feel loved and appreciated and wanted. It was really special."

Noble said he was devastated to learn what happened to Amanda and said he will preach at her funeral in Indianapolis on Sunday.

NewSpring is paying for the funeral and Noble said church employees are in Indiana helping the family.

Noble said he’s been in daily contact with Davey since the tragedy and marvels at how Davey is handling the loss.

"Davey's faith is so strong, that I haven't said anything to him, he's encouraged me. It really is... the only way Davey can react the way he is reacting is because Jesus Christ is living in him."

Even though the tragedy is hard to comprehend, Noble said she is in a better place.

"Amanda just made the room brighter. Anytime she walked in, any conversation, she just made the room brighter,” the pastor said. “So in my mind, heaven just got a little bit brighter, because that's what she did. That's what she did."

Noble said Amanda and Davey came to him in 2012 and said they has a calling to start a church in Indiana.

Noble said he gave them his blessing. He said the church then paid Davey’s salary for the first year in Inidanapolis, and helped fund their start-up

There have been no arrests in Amanda’s death. Police there have issued an award for information that will help.



Read more: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/30508886/newspring-pastor-perry-noble-reflects-on-amanda-blackburns-death#ixzz3rOF4Cvfc

Peter Hyatt said...

OT

The Politico headline was blunt: "Ben Carson Admits Fabricating West Point Scholarship." Except Carson made no such admission. He acknowledged never applying to West Point. But as a top ROTC student in Detroit, there's little question that had he wanted to go to West Point, he could've gotten in.

Technically, West Point offers appointments, and the full tuition is paid for by taxpayers. But even West Point's own website uses the word "scholarship." In any case, Carson went to Yale, and, as such, could likely have gone to any school in the country.

Within hours, Politico changed its headline to: "Exclusive: Carson Claimed West Point 'Scholarship' But Never Applied."


He wasn't lying. My nephews went there. We called it "scholarship" too. Those of you who analyzed it and thought it deceptive, press on, and consider formal training if you are serious about learning. Even an Unreliable Denial has to be contextualized. Some need to be brought to a direct accusation. He wasn't.

WP visited schools and make general "offers of scholarships" without lengthy explanations about appointments until it gets serious. When the first brother was approached, I asked my sister how they would afford it to which she said, "scholarship, no tuition", and later in detail about appointment, etc. He and his brother went on to set scoring records for Lacrosse and were quite stars.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Man! You've edited the "Dickens" out of this post! It doesn't even resemble the original thought process.

November 13, 2015 at 10:00 AM Delete
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Whoops! I posted on the wrong article.

Does anyone think the the phrase "her desire for me" is weird? What sounds more natural is, "she would want me to keep going on with my life," which think a lot of people say about their deceased loved ones. But "her desire for me" just doesn't sit right to me. If fact, he uses the phrase "my desire" in his statement as well. That's an interesting contrast. "My desire" and "her desire".


Peter, in the following phrase, is there really an implied "but" in there? "As deeply as I am hurting I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this."
That sounds like, "I am hurting, BUT I am hopeful and confident....."


First, did I miss the entire quote; if so, I must correct it.

Second, yes, I think there is an implied "but", yet his emphasis is less, therefore, we do not claim it as such.

What about expressing some concern that a killer is on the loose and the neighbors are all in danger??

Peter

Anonymous said...

The husband instructed the congregation on how to respond to the media?! What the WHAT? If he didn't have anything to do with the murder of his wife, at the very least he has some serious issues in his brain.

John mcgowan said...
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Anonymous said...

Thanks for the response, Peter. I'm the "anonymous" who posted about the implied "but" and the one at 11:48 am just now, and am a different poster than the "Dickens" anonymous poster. I guess I need to choose a name

John mcgowan said...

Indianapolis pastor and his wife met on a blind date

Snipped:

They met on a blind date. Amanda's sister was dating Davey's best friend. They went to a concert by the Christian band Hawk Nelson. They were attending different colleges at the time. Davey was on fall break, and he hung out with Amanda the whole week. They just clicked.

On the day before he went back to school, they had a milkshake drinking contest. Amanda lost.

"You shot milkshake out of your nose," Davey said looking at Amanda, "and that's when I knew that I had met the girl I was going to marry."

To the outside world, they were the perfect couple. But they struggled, too.

"We had a really great honeymoon," Amanda said in the video of the Oct. 27 question-and-answer style sermon. "We were so in love, taking pictures. Then, literally, the next day he went to work. It was like honeymoon over."

Before the wedding, they had been dating long distance and had not really spent more than a few weeks together at a time.

"When you're dating and so in love you can forget about all the conflict or the things that might annoy you," Amanda said. "But once you get married those things become a really big deal."

They went to counseling and learned to communicate.

In the Oct. 20 sermon, Davey Blackburn is alone on stage wearing a dark T-shirt, sleeveless gray hoodie and camouflage pants.

The sermon is titled "Bringing Sexy Back." He spoke frankly, telling the congregation that Amanda took a purity pledge when she was a teen.

She was so true to that pledge that she refused to even kiss a man before she was married.

"Do you know how much that meant to me?" he said. "From that moment that I kissed her I knew there was going to be a special bond inside of God's plan for us."

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/11/12/pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-dies-being-shot-robber/75637162/

Peter Hyatt said...

yes, any name. It makes it easier.

This is not my favorite post. I felt sick when I read his statement.

Like others, I hope he leaked out a bad marriage and did not hire a shooter. (He leaks out a lot about himself).

It is hard to get past, with zero training, one who shows concern for others but NOT for those in danger of a greedy executioner who is on the prowl!

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

"We had a really great honeymoon," Amanda said in the video of the Oct. 27 question-and-answer style sermon. "We were so in love, taking pictures. Then, literally, the next day he went to work. It was like honeymoon over."

Before the wedding, they had been dating long distance and had not really spent more than a few weeks together at a time.

"When you're dating and so in love you can forget about all the conflict or the things that might annoy you," Amanda said. "But once you get married those things become a really big deal."





This takes on amplification with a dead body, killed by a headshot, which is more akin to execution style, close up.

Peter

BallBounces said...

Blogger elf said… "To me it sounds like he's talking to his congregation"

Good point. Who he is speaking to is important. A lot of his speech fits the persona of a positive-thinking evangelical pastor.

That said, I agree fully with Peter -- his speech indicates either a denial of, or absence of, natural human emotion.

In 1999, a pastor's son was murdered in a Columbine copy-cat killing. How he processed this murder was very different. His focus was on forgiving the perp.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/taber-shootings/

Likewise, when the guy went into an Amish school a few years back and shot up the kids, the focus of the Amish was again on forgiving the perp.

http://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-forgiveness/

Here, the perp is "dead" to the pastor. No mention of him -- no anger, no forgiveness, no nothing. His response is very different to say the least. It's as if the perp doesn't exist. Is this significant from an S/A point of view?

Anonymous said...

Although he has been "cleared 100%" by LE (and LE does not like the humiliation of being wrong), I will be shocked if "the pastor" is not involved in Amanda's murder. There are just too many bright red flags, as Peter has highlighted. Even the statement on the gofundme page explains the circumstances about Davey's whereabouts before mentioning Amanda and her murder!

Maybe LE is trying to trick Davey into thinking he's in the clear. This is too bizarre to have been a random intruder.

lynda said...

I read that article about how they met this morning and thought, "Ah..they didn't even really know each other." She was a good "pick" for him being a Pastor's daughter and the sex/lust wears off pretty quick especially when baby comes along. I hope he didn't hire a shooter also, If he didn't...this guy is just a narcissistic asshole of the 1st degree. He will ride this "tragedy" out for a long time, tv appearances, media, print, the whole shebang. I predict that no later than next week he will appear on television...the biggest platform for him to "spread the WORD" and become famous.

lynda said...

I also notice that in the FB posts he says his wife and unborn child were "killed". One tends to think of being "killed" as dying in an accident of some sort. To me, it's softer language than "Murdered". He still has not addressed the perp and forgiveness which is unexpected from a Pastor. So is the word killed.

I also think that someone pointed out to him that he "forgot" to mention the unborn child in his first statement so he made sure to add it in on his second statement.

tania cadogan said...

I read this and thought ok where is the mistress?
Reading it i will not be surprised if within the next week or so, a woman will show up publicly with him and it will then be oh she is helping me get over my loss etc ending up somewhere down the line with them getting married and him spouting off about how Amanda would have wanted him to find a new love and his child needing a new mother and how a 'tragic loss' resulted in him meeting a new love of his life.

Where in all his statement is his concern for his child, what did they see and hear?

I will not be surprised if he is arrested and it turns out he hired a hitman or even that his mistress hired one.

What is clear is that the marriage was in a bad way, bad enough that they had counselling to learn how to communicate.
Do we know how long they had been married?
He makes no mention of his unborn child, why?

Did he not want another child and all the expense that comes with it?
Was it his? (which could be a motive for her being killed)

His focus seems to be solely on him and his ministry.
Why?
Was there a conflict between his wife and his ministry, she wanted him to spend more time with her and their child?
Why is there no call for justice, if not for him but their child?
Where is the warning for everyone to be careful, there is a killer on the loose?

Why would a robber carry a gun and kill her?
Were there signs of a struggle?

His statement is all wrong

Sus said...

I can explain away everything in my mind that Pastor Davey says...forgiving the perp, not being fearful for his neighbors, seeing the good to come, etc. I may not be able to do it, but I can see how his religion could.

What I can't explain away, however, is no mention of his wife as a mother. Especially at this point in their lives. Having a one-year old and her 12 weeks pregnant means being a mother HAD to be her top priority. For him not to mention it means it was not his top priority. There, I believe, would be a conflict between them...known by what he did not say.

Peter Hyatt said...

Sus,

he is an educated man, so he is not someone who will twist Scripture into a hyper-calvinistic passivity. He knows a time to mourn, and a time to fight, and David imprecatory psalms, and the need to "sound the alarm" that a dangerous killer is out there.

To warn neighbors is an act of love.

She became "Amanda" only in correlation to others.

As some here pointed out, he speaks pretty plainly about sex in the seminar, yet she is not given any romantic language.

That a pregnant wife was head shot while the one year old was home is the most extreme, up close, personal and frightening thing.

He is going to "laugh" and cry??

He is working Sunday?

He has moved on rather quickly, which is what his statement shows: he is not going to let this derail his ministry. It sounds heroic to some, but to my ears, it is self serving.

How soon until he talks of remarriage and moving on and "Amanda would have wanted this", like Tiffany Hartley?

Perhaps they should be introduced.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Sus said...
I can explain away everything in my mind that Pastor Davey says...forgiving the perp, not being fearful for his neighbors, seeing the good to come, etc. I may not be able to do it, but I can see how his religion could. >>>



This is precisely how we must think if we want to 'enter' the subject's perception of reality.

Peter


PS: On NBC news, the neighbor shows concern about the killer on the loose.

Sus said...

This is not SA. I'm simply wondering about logistics. The Blackburns lived at the end of a cul-de-sac. The alleged perp drove a black SUV and parked it there. He stole a TV, DVD, and other electronics. He tried to enter a neighboring home a few minutes previously. The neighbors heard gunshots at 6:45. No one looked out there windows? No one was leaving for work or their daily run? No one called police? The pastor found her at 8:30 when he got home. I don't get it. I live on a cul-de-sac. I notice things in my neighborhood. I must be noisier.

Peter Hyatt said...

NBC says neighbors' video tape shows cars, and suspicious persons.

Peter

Sus said...

Geeze...autocorrect!

Nosier!

Anonymous said...

Sus, maybe someone was "noisier" on the street which is why the odd vehicle and noises didn't sound any alarms nearby.

Sus said...

Haha. I caught it and fixed it. And it could be. But that's an odd time.

Anonymous said...

Peter,
Can you please a take a peek at the assault account this actress writes? Its an open statement she tweeted, but its like a poem, which is weird, and its missing pronouns, and has actions starting but not concluding, etc... I keep wondering if its embellished a bit or something...the language is strange for a violent assault/attempted murder first-hand account :|

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/665098889586802688/photo/1

JMTO said...

This is just my thoughts only- but maybe he didn't say anything about her being a mother, and no mention of their unborn child together- bc he has a mistress who not only knew about this planned murder, but who wanted it carried out as well so she could come in and be his "savior" in such a terrible, terrible time.
He, of course, couldn't be there when it happened, he had to be somewhere where he could say - "Look, look! We had problems but it wasn't me!" - and made sure he had an airtight alibi.

Back to the not addressing her as a wife, mother, or addressing the unborn child- it could be bc of his guilty knowledge of what he hired someone to do that makes it unable for him to speak about it, or......

He knows the mistress is going to be reading his very public post, and doesn't want to upset HER with glorifying his dead wife and missing and being unbelievably upset over his unborn child who didn't have a chance to live. He just doesn't want to piss her off, and a woman that is a-ok with a husband killing his wife and unborn child, would most definitely be angered at him publicly showing them affection.

Maybe if it wasn't a stranger that he hired, maybe it WAS the mistress. That way he would know exactly what happened, and that maybe she/he lured Amanda to another room before killing her so his infant son wouldn't see anything.
Deep in his heart he's not troubled with what the child might have saw, bc he knows exactly what happened.

Just my thoughts!!!

Peter Hyatt said...

Here is a video of two people who don't seem to like each other very much:

http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/



Peter

JMTO said...

"And the best is truly yet to come."

Sounds like the words of someone kingly looking towards their future, not someone who had their whole future stolen from them.

Just sayin.

JMTO said...

*longingly not kingly lol

Peter Hyatt said...

He might have a mistress. I would not be shocked if he said, "as a Christian, Amanda would want me happy..."

The video is two people who do not like each other; are competing, and he is "front and center", controlling, interruptive, disrespectful, and absolutely in love with the camera.

He is very intelligent, talented, handsome,etc. His "hip" approach is popular but is used to draw attention to himself more than the topic.

I don't put heavy emphasis on body language, but watching these two....oh boy.

Very sad.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

He is trying to convince his audience that he likes his wife.

ATP

Michele said...

Funny thing is; the cops are more mad than he is.
USA Today reports: Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department Capt. Craig Converse said the department has a lot of "angry" and "tired" detectives working the case.

Officers were noticeably shaken by the case of Blackburn.

"For those responsible for killing Amanda: We are coming. We are coming," Doug Carter of the Indiana State Police said.

JMTO said...

This is probably going to get me slammed but after watching 10 minutes of the video, Peter- I have to go back and watch the rest- I am more than a little troubled that while he is suppose to be talking about his relationship with his wife......
He is talking more about his best friend.
He remembers details about their conversations, shopping trips, and even the shirts they were going to buy.
He talks about them excitedly, even going as far as saying about having a double wedding.

Interesting also that they had a long distance relationship up until they got married- it's unusual and could be a good thing, but with all of this put together, it seems hinky.

Could he be gay?
He sure talks like a lot of gay friends of mine, but he also might just be very close to his best friend.

They definitely do NOT get along- as se addressed him citing her off and bringing up issues and details that will bear no meaning to the convo- but he interjects with "but are fun" - and the look he gives her is scary.

JMTO

Peter Hyatt said...

Also not S/A

1. Man talks about how bad his marriage was. Wife talks about it so bad that she wanted to leave.
2. Man says that having a baby was a "major transition" that caused trouble in his marriage.
3. Wife gets pregnant.
4. Wife gets shot in the head.
5. Man doesn't grieve, nor express any fear of killer.

In his video, he uses a sample of a "man looks at girls at the gym..."

Man was at gym when wife got shot.

Just a lot of coincidences?

Peter

John mcgowan said...

In a nut shell. He is a control freak. I couldn't watch it all the way through as i was starting to feel annoyed and bitter towards him. Irrational i know, but hey, he was really p****ng off. lol

Sus said...

That would never work. They would each be vying for their camera time on those blogs.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anyone interested in a lesson on leakage?

Look at what he tells us about the gym, for example, as well as stressors in life, and dissatisfaction.

If he did it, you will hear the motive.

http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/


42.42 is important.

Peter

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/665098889586802688/photo/1

Can someone please look over this statement? Its a first hand narrative of a violent assault that occurred a day before, NCIS actress, but it reads like a poem kinda and is strange and choppy/unexpected in parts, but I'm not sure why...
It is an open statement, and I'm extremely curious if anyone else notices anything
Thanks

Peter Hyatt said...

JMTO,

if you were bothered then, just wait. It gets worse.

He is offensive.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Suspect in 'heinous murder' of Ind. pastor's wife caught on surveillance cameras, cops say:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/13/pastor-pregnant-wife-28-dies-after-being-shot-during-home-invasion/?intcmp=hpbt3

John mcgowan said...

Leakage indeed "The Gym"

Peter Hyatt said...

He gets really gross after 46 mark.

My comments are short and disjointed because I was typing as I listened to the video. The leakage is tremendous. He has some real problems and it is sexually related problems. If he did not do it, he is a very troubled person and is using his talent, intellect and religion to cover it. People use what they can to hide perversity. Some use religion, others use "rights", while some use drugs or alcohol.

He has some serious issues.

Peter

Sus said...

I cannot see the films. Does Pastor Davey actually use an example of "man looks at girls at the gym"?

Really not SA...but when I heard that he was at the gym all I could think of was the guys who hit on my daughter at the gym. She says it's a regular occurrence.

And it all may be a coincidence, but stats show the most likely way to die through a pregnancy is by being killed by your partner.

tania cadogan said...

He is very domineering, he talks over her and i also noticed, given they are married,the distance between their seats and thus themselves in this video http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-6-qa-with-davey-and-amanda/

What i also noted was when he talked about his honeymoon, watch as he changes hands with the mic and moves his left hand down in front of his crotch and appears to stroke it twice.

Weird.

It seems from the get go of them being married it was fights.

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice the order he lists what couples fight about? L
1) Sex
2) Money
3) Kids
4) cant remember the last one, but its interesting money or kids are not first...

I also noticed he never mentions her as a mother, the loss of new baby she was carrying, or the current child and his relationship as a FATHER...

This seems to point toward(even if he is not linked to the crime, I suspect he is in some way) that he was not in love with her, happy with her as a wife or friend, or a mother, did not want either child, especially the one on the way, as it seems he was not happy being a father...all proud and loving fathers put their kids first, they don't just "forget" how important they are, or to mention them in regards to their murdered mother...

He probably envisioned a hip power couple, like BrAngelina, for the church, but kids and reality have a way of squashing dreams, bad recipe if you are married to a person whose universe revolves around themselves...

Peter Hyatt said...

He's not the shooter, but if he is unconnected to the shooter, he sure is not unhappy about the results.

Peter

JMTO said...

Took a break at 36:36
And wow!

Well he sure tells us what he DOESN'T do- and that's look for apps that get around the fact that he has filters on his browsers that send his wife and another friend exactly what he views on the Internet.

Now - why would anyone, unless they were caught doing something- just out of the goodness of their heart- give private information out to not only the wife but also a family friend his browser history on a WEEKLY basis???

Me thinks someone got caught looking at dating or pornographic sites, and she needs reassurance that he isn't still doing it- which is why the family friend also gets the info so he ain't fooling both of them.

But look at his wife when he says that he knows of apps that can get around it. She looks like she has had an epiphany. She does not look happy about it either.

Continuing on viewing.....

John mcgowan said...

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown
7 mins ·

Police: Suspect in killing of pastor's wife seen on surveillance

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indianapolis-police-suspect-in-killing-of-pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-seen-on-surveillance/


If the police have all this, then the pastor is indeed cleared because then there would be proof that she was killed WHILE he was at the gym and, if there is physical evidence as well, then he is eliminated as a suspect. Earlier we had reports he was cleared, but there was no substantial evidence given as to why.

Anonymous said...

Peter, Fox News read this blog today.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4610190315001/police-release-new-details-after-pastors-wife-is-murdered/?intcmp=related#sp=show-clips

JMTO said...

The ending question is especially troubling - where she answers about Daveys friend- who "messed up" a lot - who was promiscuous and met a girl who lived a sheltered life- and changed his life around to live a life of purity. They just got married, had a child and started a church.
They are living a life of purity now and are on a better path.

How much do you want to bet that this is a non fiction story of their own life and marriage?

He had her killed because she found out that he really hadn't changed, and maybe she had enough and wanted out- she had the power to speak out about it and ruin him.
He would be exposed to his followers.

His children would grow up knowing he was an adulterer.

He would be divorced and now not living a life following Jesus and a life of purity.

His narcissism would not allow that.

That's motive right there.

JMTO said...

He could have hired someone to kill her, not actually do the killing himself.
If that happened, and they have it on video, and are close to catching the suspect, if they do catch him I am sure it won't take long for him to belly up and give up the pastor if he is involved.

We will have to wait and see.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, they lived on a cul du sac, and the news said the burglary up the street happened at like 530 am, then the house in question, with a suspect being filmed:


On Tuesday morning, shortly before Blackburn was killed in her home, there was a burglary that took place two doors down, said Capt. Craig Converse, who heads the police department's homicide division.

Investigators have determined that the suspects went into the neighbor's house at 5:30 a.m. and Blackburn's husband, Pastor Davey Blackburn, is seen leaving his home at 6:11 a.m. to go to a gym.

"They saw an opportunity to burglarize another home," a law enforcement official said.

A neighbor reported hearing shots fired between 6:45 a.m. and 6:55 a.m. and surveillance footage from the neighborhood that has been collected by police shows a man leaving Blackburn's house and driving away in an SUV, police said. Authorities have yet to make the surveillance footage public.

"We know the person standing outside the home is the subject that murdered Amanda,"



My question:
Hubby leaves at 615 am to the gym... minutes to a half-hr later(I do not trust news figures) shots fired, neighbors heard it, but no 911 call? On a quiet cul-du-sac? do they have a dog?

Said hubby returns at 8ish from the gym, being the person who "found" her... news also says she was defending the toddler, and in another the toddler was upstairs still?
And why the hell would a burglar go upstairs after a toddler, and not money or valuables? perhaps she only feared he would hurt the kid, or would use him to pressure her to give up a wall safe or money stash? etc...JUST WEIRD, and not adding up

JenB said...

I bet he's not worried about his now-motherless son because I bet he's seeing or interested in someone who works in the nursery at church, has volunteered her services as a babysitter, etc. His son was/is bait, and his son is already bonded with his future replacement mommy.

There is a lot of sexual dysfunction in church groups where premarital sex is the worst thing a single person could do -- so bad that they take public purity pledges and wear purity rings. The shift from "vile, disgusting sin that makes you less valuable to God, your spouse, your parents, etc." to "beautiful act between married people" is very abrupt. I think it sets the stage for major sexual problems within a marriage.

Also, in this conservative Baptist denomination, Davey may never entertain the idea that he is gay. He might be (or not), but it would destroy his ministry so there's no way he would leave her for a man. I doubt he would ever even act on his feelings, or acknowledge them even to himself, if he were gay.

John mcgowan -- you had pointed out that in his statement Davey didn't mentioned praying for the unborn baby. As a Southern Baptist, it would be unusual to talk about praying for the dead. From the Southern Baptist perspective, the unborn baby's life is over and there is nothing more to be done about it -- prayer for the dead is just not done, and would be seen as idolatry, occultism, evil, etc. So basically that is the one "normal" thing about his statement, given his religion and what he ought to be thinking and feeling.

Peter Hyatt said...

JMTO,

I hope my suspicion is unfounded. It is only a suspicion.

The gym leakage is bothersome in the video and the marriage bad, and the information he shares embarrassing.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Blackburn’s death was Indianapolis’ 129th homicide of 2015. According to sources within IMPD, Blackburn was shot three times. Sources say the suspect was in a stolen vehicle and later ditched that vehicle at 40th and Rookwood.

“For those who killed Amanda, we are coming,” Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter said.

When talking about suspects, Chief Hite said “it could be multiple people.”

If you have any information that could assist police in Amanda Blackburn’s murder investigation, or other homicides in Indianapolis, you’re urged to call Crime Stoppers at 317-262-TIPS. Your tip will be kept anonymous.

I find it interesting the news is also saying there was NO forced entry...this means only a few things...

1. Door or window left OPEN/UNLOCKED by either the hubby on his way out to the gym, or by the victim, if she was awake already... apparently it was the front door, not a window...

2. Door broken, can not lock and was never fixed

3. Intruder had a key or was a locksmith/picker, or he knocked and got the victim to open the door...

I am guessing #1

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous:

My question:
Hubby leaves at 615 am to the gym... minutes to a half-hr later(I do not trust news figures) shots fired, neighbors heard it, but no 911 call? On a quiet cul-du-sac? do they have a dog?

Said hubby returns at 8ish from the gym, being the person who "found" her... news also says she was defending the toddler, and in another the toddler was upstairs still?
And why the hell would a burglar go upstairs after a toddler, and not money or valuables? perhaps she only feared he would hurt the kid, or would use him to pressure her to give up a wall safe or money stash? etc...JUST WEIRD, and not adding up"

end of post.

I do not know if a neighbor called 911 or hubby but yes, if neighbor heard gun shots, especially since it is not rural, would there be a police call to 911? I think so.

Were they robbed? Would quiet patient thief who steals suddenly up the level of criminal activity? I don't know. Did mother attack him in defense of child?

Lots of questions..

Other anonymous, Yes, I heard Jeanne Piro. :)

Peter

Anonymous said...

Did the family have a habit of leaving the front door unlocked?
Thats usually a rural/country thing, not a city habit per say

Anonymous said...

HUBBY called 911 when he got home and saw there was a break in, found her ALIVE stil downstairs and called 911... he found her, he called...I'd really be interested in hearing that call

Anonymous said...

BTW news says the stolen articles were from the house up the street, it does not say the Blackburns had items stolen (TV and DVD player), it says the NEIGHBORS did...and that the police are going to try to track those items.

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice that she was shot 3 times, not once?
Why three if its a burglar?
Especially since she was left ALIVE
and able to identify the shooters face possibly?
WHy would the cops say she was defending her child, who was upstairs, and how did the shooter know there was a child upstairs?
Three shots even from a small caliber is loud in a quiet neighborhood, when one shot could suffice, from a criminal perspective... so why not use choking, beating, or one of the myriad other ways to shut up a scared lady you are robbing?
so many questions, so little info, released in bits that are not adding up

JMTO said...

The butter comment that went "way over her head" (belittling) was just so uncomfortable to watch and hear.
((Shivers))

JenB said...

I just noticed that in some of their photos, there is an ENORMOUS dog posed with the couple. Where was that dog on Tuesday?

Lemon said...

92 comments and counting...

GeekRad said...

What video are you watching? I apparently am not watching the one referenced by the posts here.

Peter Hyatt said...

On divorce he said that God is "restorative" and then how he, himself, as "great relationships with divorced people..."

This is to place himself as "God" in context. The butter comment was gross and if I were in his shoes, and innocent, I want that video taken down! It is too painful to see my beautiful wife there, like that...as we talked about how bad our marriage has been and how I can't control my eyes at the gym, and how I have to have sex before dinner so I can concentrate on dinner and..."

It is very difficult to watch. He is a 'rock star' celebrity and this is his 'gig' and his 'hip language' notwithstanding, he cannot conceal contempt for his wife.

Peter

Anonymous said...

One of the doors may have been left open-even the garage door. If another waited down the street on a cell phone, they could have seen the car leaving the drive and alerted the burglar who was surprised by someone being home.

A neighbor stated Amanda had inquired on the safety of the neighborhood just two weeks prior. She knew. She knew.

A crime watch captain. No immediate response to shots fired. Yeah, the neighbors were mentally retarded.

And, I agree with Peter in they do not appear to be a harmonious couple. That is beside the point here, I think.

If he left with the house unlocked, he may have ignored her intuition (part of a faulty relationship).

JenB said...

I'm watching their 10/27 Q&A at their church. I just heard the part where he says that anytime they're going through a time of transition is a big "season of conflict" for them. That's probably not unusual -- I know I was very angry with and bitter toward my husband after our first child was born, and then after our twins were born 2 years later. Of course, neither of us has ended up shot in the head.

Being pregnant with your 2nd baby in as many years is quite a time of transition, especially at a time when their church is probably moving away from external funding and moving toward being self-funded.

Also it for sure seems like they don't like each other at all -- it seems like she dislikes him quite a bit.

Lemon said...
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Lemon said...

Geekrad:

http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/

Love Song Week 6 – Q&A with Davey and Amanda podcast/video
October 27, 2015
_____________

Ohmagersh it is painful to watch :( So revealing.

Lemon

Sus said...

I got the podcasts to work on my kindle, and I listened to the first love song one.

My first impression was 'here is a guy who likes to talk about sex.' He likes to shock, and was especially enjoying shocking young people. He was cloaking himself in the ministry and being married to get away with it.

And you're all correct...using the example of eying women at the gym, at work, and online was interesting. Those examples put him close to the women eyed (though he used the distancing "you"). Often you will hear instead the examples that are more about eying someone passing by on the street or in a restaurant. Not someone you see everyday.

JMTO said...

Add to all of this the comment in the video about "one of the most famous people that wrote scripture Paul, the Apostle Paul......who which btw if you're not a Christian in here,
when we first meet Paul he wasn't either his name was Saul and he hated Christians, so and then God changed his life, so if you're going "Man I'm not sure if God can change my life." Um....

"You didn't kill Christians, probably....you didn't come in and like, cap off one of our greeters and throw his body in the dumpster, right?"

What what what??

Sus said...

Oh, and when he speaks of Jesus's perfect ministry he repeats "the perfect ministry" over and over.

I got the distinct impression Pastor Davey doesn't just want to be a good Christian and love Jesus. He wants to have that "perfect ministry."

JMTO said...

I have only watched the "Love Song 6- Q&A with Davey and Amanda" podcast- but there is so much leakage in there that it should be renamed to "Davey's Love Song from the Titanic" ....

Most cringeworthy video award goes to......

JenB said...

Other thoughts on the Q&A:

When he talks about their family calendar, he moves right into talking about how they want to spend their time "out serving others." The alternative to being "out serving others" is "watching Netflix," which he characterizes as a waste of his life. He doesn't talk about spending time with family, or with his wife. The options are serving others and watching Netflix/wasting life.

It seems like the facilitator also showed some dislike for Davey, right at the 10 minute mark.

Amanda doesn't seem to smile at many of Davey's attempts at being funny.

Totally weird that he says, "You didn't come in and like cap off one of our greeters and throw his body in a dumpster," complete with finger gun for "cap off."

Anonymous said...

JMTO,
Paul persecuted Christians under the name of Saul. His modern day rhetoric and euphemisms are being used against him. His youth and blending of Baptist teachings and modern ideology are giving conflicted messages. Yes, he does come off as a prepubescent attention seeking hog, but that's not the point and it is doubtful it is related to the murder of his wife.
The get away car was stolen.
Other burglaries in the neighborhood.
She knew something was up prior.

They live, or have friends or relatives nearby.
They (he) is African American. Armed and dangerous.

More dangerous than an online gossip, imo, but not by much.

GeekRad said...

Thanks Lemon!!!

Suzanne said...


"Her heart would be that you invite as many people as possible to this celebration service that do not know the Lord. Amanda’s story has attracted national news. I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this...



Sounds like Davey also knows that the more people there are at the service to pass the plate, the more "good" will come of it.

JMTO said...

Yes, Anon @ 4:25
Your comment was not lost on me.
I knew what he was trying to do with the Apostle Paul and the story of Saul to make it more modern day and "hip" for the youth listening.
That remark was just.....I don't even know.

What bothered me about it wasn't his use of that remark- but the fact that he talks about "capping off one of our greeters......"

And one of his greeters, his best friend and ministry partner....just got capped off.

It's speaks to me that IF he did know about the murder, if it was a murder for hire, etc., that it was on his mind at the time of this taping. Ya get me?

Lemon said...

JMTO@4:39 said:

"And one of his greeters, his best friend and ministry partner....just got capped off."

^^^^ This. ^^^^

Peter Hyatt said...

He does some butchering of scripture after all. He is desperate to be hip.

Off Topic:

Islamic attack in France?

first report was shooting; than two shooters, than two shootings and 2 bombs near by.

Latest: 18 dead and hostages taken..

I don't know.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

The video sounds like:

he is obsessed with sex...

at the gym,

before dinner and on and on he goes.

He seems to be contemptuous of his wife, especially that she seems more genuine about her own belief regarding sex and marriage.

He seems terribly dissatisfied with her specifically about sex.

The mention of a baby being a "transition" is in a very negative context. Now that she was pregnant again...

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

30+ dead, 100 hostages taken.

Islamic violence is likely the cause.

It is the world's most dangerous sexual-violence ideology the world has ever known.

The Koran teaches it, the followers of it obey it, and while doing it, they quote it. Then, the president of the US says it has nothing to do with Islam.

Have others seen the 16 or 17 minute video that went viral in Europe? I watched it with someone who had believed the "women and children refugee" MSM narrative. It was an eye opener for her.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

If you wish to practice analysis, listen to Gerry Rivers on Fox News.

He is crying.

He is showing pictures of his daughter.

She was at the soccer match and is fine. She did not call him, though and he is describing the scene as if he is there and passivity will show you his methods.

He did drop the "M" word but found a way to blame the West.

Anonymous said...

Wow,in the Q&A video @14:25 he makes the dumpster joke, but then paraphrases the bible/Paul in that marriage is a burden, and points the bible as he speaks...forward toward the camera, on an axis with himself, while saying its a burden. Then he starts saying mariage is a responsibility and needs to be nurtured or cultivated, and is repeatedly pointing the bible at her, then again forward at the screen when he goes on to another point...she seems to spend a lot of time looking solemn or sad, not smiling, and leans away from him slightly the whole time. He cuts her off first time she speaks...

um, they clearly had some sort of many-faced relationship, this was the evolution of their public face we are seeing, in the video series, its awkward cause of leakage and the odd reactions when one says something that is either embarrassing(first 7 months of marriage were terrible...you can see her comment bothers him) because they clearly are not on the same page, or one is saying something that seems untrue
The whole time they are talking in general terms but are clearly also talkin about themselves and their relationship, and many of the statements are definitely pointed at the other partner in veiled jabs

Some seems to address hypocritical behavior that must have been experienced,
others like the sexual past always being with a person, right into their next relationship, as she says this, he becomes introspective looking and stares, no head nods, in fact he seems to forget he is on camera

It not good feeling watching it for a reason, cause they had serious deep rooted issues they were covering up cause of the ministry and church image he needed, and you can literally see and feel the tension and conflict...

Also, and I think he knows the term and did not use it on purpose, but Alimony is not a DOWRY, which is what he describes, which is a bride price to the father to compensate the loss of his daughter, which is like selling your daughter(property) to the highest bidder WTH I'd not even let a man I liked/loved pay my Dad for me, thats a hell no. if anything that money should help the new couple, no? ESP if MONEY is one of the big things they fight about

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Juliet said...

My impression, from the Q & A video, is that Davey is over-bearing, self-obsessed, and finds Amanda to be a hindrance to his greatness, and to his ministry. He begins by saying she's going to hate him - not a great way to start. She calls him out a couple of times, and he doesn't like it - imagine them at home. They hardly knew each other when they married, and are not too happy at what they have learned about each other since. Amanda is a good girl from a strict Christian family, and her high standards annoy him because they show up his lower standards and his weaknesses - dangerous as he's a narcissist. Babies and Netflix evenings are a distraction and inconvenience to his ministry and greatness - pornography is his forbidden pleasure. The get-around apps - oh dear, it's almost as though he takes it for granted that everyone shares his problem, and is similarly burdened with tabs being kept on their internet use by concerned wife and other, and so would welcome the 'cool' tip - he tries to make normal what would appear to be a serious problem in their marriage. Date night - he's not interested in Amanda except for sex.

Mostly, the video made me angry because the spirited young lady is dead, and had been made miserable during her marriage by her selfish obnoxious husband. If strangers can feel that way, why no expression of anger and outrage at her murder from her husband?

Why cannot he say 'Weston's heart'? That seemed a curiously unfinished sentence.

Celebrating Amanda's life at 5pm - really, well, what's the thinking behind that - let's get that over and done with asap so that life can work out as great as it was meant to be? Davey takes 'glib' to a whole new level, and as for coping strategy, he's the man.

I wouldn't think there's another woman - he does not like what he considers to be the burden and hinderance of family life to his achieving greatness. Not everyone is called to marriage. I would not be surprised if grandparents or siblings take on the child-rearing, while Davey uninstalls all his newly redundant apps.



tania cadogan said...

i see a televangelist in the making.

He will use this story to get supporters and donations (gofundme anyone?)
he will use his story, his 'hurt' to get out and loud, using this to improve his image, his preaching, his church.

He has seen the money to be made from donations by the gullible and he wants a piece of it.

he talks about money and sex rather than how he loves his wife and child, how he tries to be a good husband and father providing for his family.

I wonder if sex and money are the reason she ended up dead?

As peter has said, he may not have pulled the trigger, he may be innocent in all this, he words though speak to problems in the maariage and that he now sees himself as free to live the life he wants.

Will the grandparents seek custody of the child i wonder?

Skeptical said...

It is apparent from the videos that he didn't love her. She checked all the boxes on his list of what a pastor's wife should be. Now he has moved on into his "super saint" mode (1 Thessalonians 4:13) where one is not to grieve as others do who have no hope. It was meant for comfort but his interpretation would fit in nicely with his Narcissism.

dch said...

Will they release the 911 call?

Peter Hyatt said...

dch,

I hope so. if they do, it would give us a lot of info.

I put the Islamic terrorist attack on new article, so discussion on it can move there.

Discussion on this case can continue here.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Tania,

if you watch the video, you will see that he is talented, handsome and very intelligent. He is 'charming', and controlling. But in terms of the talent, it is showmanship and yes, it sounds like a televangelist in the making.

As you said, and others, how quickly he moves on to another relationship will be watched, even months for now, even if a shooter is arrested and does not cooperate.

This is low chance, in my view, as someone with the morals to shoot another for money, is not likely to remain loyally quiet when offered years off prison.

He has some major sexual issues. Some of the things he said were shocking, especially given the nature of the camera. He seems to love the spotlight.

Peter Hyatt said...

Skeptical,

Heather asked me if he had expressed anything about her in heaven, at rest, etc. ...

This too was missing.

I am bothered by his preaching this Sunday, in 48 hours, where there will be "laughing" and "mourning", with "laughing" coming first in his order.

Regardless of who is responsible, this is not a broken grieving husband.

1. They talked about how bad their marriage was...a lot.
2. He seemed to have small contemptible comments towards her.
3. Body language did not show closeness.
4. He spoke of sexual temptation at the gym.
5. He mentioned having a child as a large difficult event stressing the marriage.
6 She was 3 months pregnant
7. He was at the gym when she was killed.
8. It is said to be a home invasion, without any break in and without any theft that we know of.
9. His statement sounded very much like one who has moved on already.

I have read some very insightful comments here today. thank you...

Peter

trustmeigetit said...

One thing that I noticed was his ability to speak well.

SA aside... He speaks well.

In my corporate world, I dont know how many times I have watched those that "speak well" get promoted even with out real substance to their abilities.

Its like a woman getting hired for being attractive with out having the ability.

Only this is based on the ability to speak well.

It is like people don't listen to the words. They become engaged in them and don't see reality.

I had a boss that was like this. He spoke VERy well. I recall a specific time in a meeting we both attended....he was asked a question that I expected him to have me answer because I knew he did not know the answer.

Intead, he rambled on for several minutes with the room fully in awe while never answering the question at all. Everyone acted impressed, said thank you and moved on. Later they had to send an email with several questions to clarify. Yet they still remained impressed by him despite the fact that in all this talking he never answered anything.


My point is that I fear becuase of his ability to speak well, IF he was involved and had her killed, that he may never face charges. Not always the case, but I see it so many times.

People who speak well tend to get away with alot.

I always noticed before SA, but now with SA it is so much clearer.



JMTO said...

"Amanda’s story has attracted national news. I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so in the event someone from the media tries to speak with you, simply respond by asking everyone to join us in prayer for my family. You can let them know that we have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and believing that great things are still yet to come."

He makes two things known here.

1. That her story has made national news and that he wants his congregation to know exactly what to say in the event that anyone from the media should try and interview them and pick apart his marriage.....

2. That he knows the media are coming, and he will be watching to see who has been talking if they do try and talk to the media.

That reeks of control- as Peter said earlier.

Why would Davey be SO worried about what his congregation might say to the media?

That he felt out of the 2 paragraphs dedicated to his wife and unborn child the need to write specific instructions on how and what they should say?

Out of the two paragraphs, half of the second is comprised of nothing more than instructions on what to say.

.......

Anonymous said...

The statement he made about something that rhymed with desire in the video struck me as odd as he realized his magnificence and the ability to make a catchy theme line.He looked at her and suggested she write it down as if she were his personal secretary.

He is ate up with himself which explains the strain on their relationship. She wasn't cut from modern day preacher wife material.

He does speak well and continues on to the goal of redemption and baptism and has faith in his ability to implement change in the community through progress and processes.

This process may take a little time to hit him the severity of the loss-personal loss.

tania cadogan said...

A suspect in the murder of a pregnant mother who was shot in the head during a home invasion in Indianapolis on Tuesday was captured on neighborhood surveillance footage after the killing, police said.

‘We know who killed her,’ Indianapolis Police Capt Craig Converse said at a press conference on Friday on the murder of 28-year-old Amanda Blackburn. ‘We have a picture, but not a name.’

The suspect was described as a black male, with a medium complexion and slight build, standing between five-foot-four and five-foot-nine, police said. In surveillance footage he was seen wearing light-colored pants and a two-toned hooded sweatshirt.

Converse said that the suspect was captured on CCTV standing outside of the Blackburns' home.

Blackburn was shot in her Indianapolis home as she tried to defend herself and her one-year-old son, Weston, from a burglar on Tuesday morning, police said.

She was 12 weeks pregnant when she was taken off life support on Wednesday. The coroner’s office pronounced her dead on Thursday.

Her husband, Resonate Church pastor Davey Blackburn was at the gym when the shooting took place and came home to find his wounded wife at about 8.30am.

Indianapolis Metro Police Sgt Kendale Adams told ABC News that the husband and any other family members are not suspects.

Time-stamped surveillance footage from a local LA Fitness shows Davey Blackburn arriving and leaving the gym that morning, according to investigators who obtained the footage.

Police said they could release a photo of the suspect late on Friday. He remains on the loose, and police are offering a $1,000 reward to anyone with information about who he is.

Adams confirmed that part of the investigation is focusing on whether this incident is related to other recent break-ins in the area.

Three hours before Blackburn was found, a home close to the victim's was burglarized, and electronics and other valuables were taken, according to WTHR.

Earlier in the investigation police said they were not sure if the incidents were connected.

Officials said there was no sign of forced entry into the Blackburns' home, but they believe that the killer may have seen an opportunity to enter the home when Davey Blackburn left for the gym at about 6am.

Surveillance footage shows a person wearing a hooding walking around the neighborhood and trying to conceal his or her face. Neighbors reported seeing the individual, as well as a dark SUV in the area. They also reported hearing shots.

'To the individual who committed this crime: You are not as good as you think you are,' Eric Hench said at the press conference on Friday. 'We will find you.'

Hench, who called the crime 'heinous', noted that evidence was left behind at the scene of the crime.

Police chief Rick Hite encouraged people to come forward with information about the killer.

'You commit a heinous murder like this - you don't get a second chance,' he said on Friday. 'We're coming to get you. This is not acceptable.'

Legal experts told the Indianapolis Star that anyone connected to the crime could be charged with more than her murder because Amanda Blackburn was pregnant.

A murder conviction in Indiana could send a person to prison for 45 to 60 years, and some are punishable to life in prison or the death penalty.

Legal experts claim that depending on whether the killer knew Mrs Blackburn was pregnant or how far along she was, additional charges could come into play.

tania cadogan said...

cont.

A state statute passed in 2009 allows the state to seek harsher penalties in cases in which the victims are pregnant. It could add six to 20 years to a sentence, Indianapolis attorney Jack Crawford told the Star.

Friends and family told WYFF that Blackburn, along with her husband, had recently announced that she was pregnant with the couple's second child.

Blackburn was the daughter of the lead pastor at First Baptist Church in Elkhart, Indiana. She and her husband moved from South Carolina to Indianapolis in 2012 to establish the independent Resonate Church.

Services at the church will take place on Sunday as usual, but Davey Blackburn said that the community will gather at 5pm at Traders Point Christian Church to celebrate his wife’s life.

"We are going to worship, share the gospel through sharing Amanda’s story, laugh together and cry together. Her heart would be that you invite as many people as possible to this celebration service that do not know the Lord," he wrote on Facebook.

Resonate Church is tailored to young people, and it releases sermon videos to its website each week that cover topics such as relationships and what the bible says about sex.

On October 27, the Blackburns spoke about their own relationship, telling viewers that they met on a blind date.

Amanda’s sister was dating Davey’s best friend and they went to a concert featuring the Christian band Hawk Nelson.

They were attending different colleges at the time, but Davey was on his fall break and spent all of his free time with Amanda.

The day before Davey returned to school, he and Amanda had a milkshake drinking contest, which Amanda lost, according to the Indianapolis Star.

‘You shot milkshake out of your nose,’ Davey said in the video while looking at Amanda. ‘And that’s when I knew that I had met the girl I was going to marry.’

Amanda said that the couple ‘had a really great honeymoon’ and that they were ‘so in love’.

Prior to getting married, they had been dating long distance and only spent time together in periods of about three weeks at a time, so the couple went to counseling to learn how to communicate.

‘When you're dating and so in love you can forget about all the conflict or the things that might annoy you,’ Amanda said in the video. ‘But once you get married, those things become a really big deal.’

In another sermon, Davey Blackburn described the purity pledge his wife took when she was a teen, where she agreed not to even kiss a man before she was married. She was true to her claim.

‘Do you know how much that meant to me?’ he said in the sermon. ‘From that moment that I kissed her I knew there was going to be a special bond inside of God's plan for us.’

Resonate Church posted a statement on Facebook mourning Blackburn's death and hundreds of people on social media sent prayers toward the family, according to KHOU.

Davey Blackburn posted a statement on his church's website thanking everyone for the support.

The statement read: 'It's impossible to communicate all the emotions my heart has been forced to process. My wife was such a beautiful, gracious, loving woman of God.

'I have not only lost my ministry partner and support but also my very best friend. There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these.

'As deeply as I am hurting I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this. I rest in the truth of Romans 8:28 that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose.

'Thank you for understanding my desire to take these next few days to continue to grieve for Amanda Grace.

tania cadogan said...

cont.

'My focus right now is to let The Lord minister to my heart as I continue to shepherd little Weston's. I'll be taking this time to focus on being a great follower of Jesus, dad, family member, and pastor to our growing church.

'Amanda made it her life's calling to love and serve everyone she knew. Even more, she has made it her life's mission to see as many people as possible come to know Jesus as their personal Savior.

'I know that in her death and legacy even more people will come to a saving faith in Christ. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt her desire for me would be to continue what we've started here in Indy.

'I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.'

Resonate church has organized a donation page to help pay for Blackburn's funeral and medical fees.

Neighbor Reginald Townsel told KHOU that their street isn't in the 'type of neighborhood' where a shooting would occur and that the Blackburns 'didn't deserve that'.

Another neighbor, Becky Vandenburgh, said called the shooting 'very scary'.

'It's just horrible what happened,' she said. 'They were great people, really loving.'

It is unknown if Blackburn's organs are being donated.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317356/Indianapolis-Police-reveal-suspect-killed-pastor-s-28-year-old-pregnant-wife-black-male-slight-build-short-five-foot-four.html

JMTO said...

Anon @ 8:07

"He is ate up with himself which explains the strain on their relationship. She wasn't cut from modern day preacher wife material."

What would be modern day preacher wife material, if you could explain the difference in the two? I am genuinely intrigued.

Child Advocate said...

Peter,

You have no reason to apologize, you're analyzing a troublesome public statement, not is occupation or faith. I am very concerned about his statement, lack of empathy for Amanda and his unborn child. I recently saw a 48 Hours Mystery on a Pastor who had a mistress and had his wife killed. It's not unheard of at all.

I'm off to listen to his video.



Child Advocate said...

My best friend from high school had a mom that gave me a healthy dose of Jewish guilt. Oy!

Child Advocate said...

My best friend from high school had a mom that gave me a healthy dose of Jewish guilt. Oy!

JMTO said...

"Other burglaries in the neighborhood"
- so there was more than just the burglary or attempted burglary that happened the morning of her murder in that cul de sac?

She was worried as she had inquired about the safety of the neighborhood two weeks prior to a neighbor.

If she inquired to the neighbor about the safety- I am more than sure she took her worries to her husband also, who may or may have not been struck with a plan.

"They live, or have friends or relatives that live nearby"

- if that's the case and true, and an attempted burglary happened just after Davey left to go to the gym, (and didn't lock the door when he left) - why didn't these relatives try and reach him at the gym upon hearing of an attempted burglary - via cell phone or text, knowing it was on or near his street, and that his pregnant wife was home alone with his one year old son, physically defenseless?

Would it have taken him two whole hours to get home if they had notified him?

"They/he is African American, armed and dangerous"

This is true.
A neighbor that was interviewed said they do not see many black people in that area.
A man was caught on tape.
But that still doesn't mean he acted alone. It could have been that he was hired, committed the crime, and then got out of there (but only after making sure some of him was seen on video surveillance) just so that there would be someone to point a finger at.

Not the same as "Susan Smith" bc in her case, there was no black man who carjacked her and drove off with her babies, but boy people sure did believe it for a little while.

The whole thing stinks.
But these are just my thoughts only.


Carnival Barker said...


I know daytime burglaries happen, but 6 a.m.???? To me that sounds like you are intentionally trying to run into whoever lives there. At that hour on a weekday you are certain to catch the homeowner awake and getting ready for work or asleep in the bedroom that you are looking to rob. Either scenario seems like one a true burglar would look to avoid.

The 911 call should be a doozy. I wonder if he's going to be out of breath on the call. I've noticed that most of the "guilty" 911 callers always sound so exasperated and like they're mid-asthma-attack.

Jen Ow said...

I just said the same thing to my husband about the word 'killed'. It's passive, and normally takes on the connotation of an accidental death. Considering the brutal nature of her murder, I find it very unexpected.

Shannon Duane said...

Did you see his reaction when that other guy first MENTIONED sex? He literally perked right up. And then that other guy had that Freudian slip where he MEANT to say he was having more success because of the couple's counseling but he said he was having more sex...it's like ALL the men there are obsessed with sex. I wonder if once they finally kissed and consummated the marriage he realized that she is boring sexually (to him). And he wants more....like Josh duggar....I hope it is just leakage of a bad marriage. I'd be checking out their life insurance about now...

Shannon Duane said...

And he says she should be the one to talk about the problems they'd had because it's a topic she talked about "all the time." So she probably had legit complaints (felt abandoned in SC) and he brushed them off and doesn't give a crap. And he wants her to shut up about it.

Jen Ow said...

Not in my book!

Shannon Duane said...

Omg the butter comment. He's referencing that movie.... Can't remember the name right now...but it's a semi-rape scene...like I guess consensual sorta but so so wrong that it seems more like rape (I've never seen the movie...I only found out about it recently from an interview with the actress).

So Amanda is saying she sometimes doesn't want to have sex and he makes a comment about bringing butter into it, which she doesn't get (bc she was sheltered but apparently he's not) and he says "went over her head." But he is essentially commenting he could rape or at least force her. Or that he's thought about it.

Shannon Duane said...

At the end of the video they talk about why divorce is bad. He couldn't get divorced. As you said, it's all that... It's his image. He wanted out but couldn't get out without losing everything. So this is either very convenient for him, or he hired someone.

Shannon Duane said...

So I guess they just hope someone really was saved at the end...? (That's a real question)

Jen Ow said...

For another great example of someone who speaks well while having zero substance, see:

Barack Obama

Lol, ;-)

Shannon Duane said...

Spacing out...rape and force are the same thing. I typed them both and meant to really say even if she complied he might use excessive force anyway. Just had to clarify.

Jen Ow said...

Bingo Carnival Barker!

I'm going out on a limb, even without hearing the 911 call, and calling this one. I believe he capitalized on the prior burglaries near the area to set up a murder for hire. She had expressed concern over their safety. How 'coincidental' that she would days later fall victim to a brutal murder.

Someone looking to simply rob a home isn't coming in at 6am...that's prime time for people getting ready for work.

Like others, I would like to be wrong...but the video, and the facts of the case paint quite a picture.

Also, reading the article, it seems her life support was removed Wednesday, but she didn't die until Thursday?? If that's the case, why wasn't she placed back on life support when it became clear she was fighting? (Unless the lapse in time was minimal, and she was taken off before midnight, and then died after midnight?) I don't know, but that still bothers me, that she was almost immediately removed from life support.

trustmeigetit said...

Exactly..great speakers always have supporters.

Anonymous said...

Two sentences that stand out to me below. They have been commented on for various reasons, but I want to go a little deeper.

"I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so in the event someone from the media tries to speak with you, simply respond by asking everyone to join us in prayer for my family. You can let them know that we have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and believing that great things are still yet to come."

Together these two sentences show how determined Pastor Davey is to control his flock of sheep. He's trying so hard to control the script by literally telling people what to say to the media when questioned about a horrific event that happened in their very own community with someone they knew. You mean I can't tell the media how horrified I am personally? I can't express my fear of being murdered in my own home because this maniac hasn't been apprehended? I can't share with them my fond memories of Amanda, or share her spirit? No, I can only give the statement that Pastor Davey told me to give, which happens to be about praying for his family.

Most importantly, look at how sly Pastor Davey is in how he crafts his first sentence:

"I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so in the event someone from the media tries to speak with you, simply respond by asking everyone to join us in prayer for my family."

This sentence is about one thing and one thing only -- what Pastor Davey wants you to say to the media. Now, if this is the purpose of the sentence, why in the world would Pastor Davey begin the sentence with, "I know that Jesus is going to make good come from this, so..."

Huh????

Excuse me for being ignorant, but what does Jesus have to do with Pastor Davey's desire to control what others say to the media? Why begin that statement with such a seemingly uplifting reference to Jesus?

It's because of how controlling this guy is. It is subtle and likely unnoticed by his congregation, but it was included for the sole purpose of compelling people, through guilt or some other like emotion, to do what Pastor Davey wants you to do. He invokes Jesus almost as if to say, "now, if you want Jesus to do good things for you, then you better do what I tell you to do."

Hypothetical: Imagine a woman who is sexually harassed by a co-worker. The woman reports the assault to her boss, who seems like someone who has her best interests at heart. Upon hearing the woman's complaints, the boss simply responds, "I know you were looking forward to getting that big Christmas bonus this year, so in the event anyone from Human Resources tries to speak with you, simply respond that it was only a misunderstanding and that you would like to go back to work."

On another note, the videos speak volumes. What a narcissist. Pastor Davey loves him some Pastor Davey.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Per Tania's post above November 13, 2105 @ 8:14PM

Thank you, Tania! Your post highlighted an huge unexpected for me.

"Officials said there was no sign of forced entry into the Blackburns' home, but they believe that the killer may have seen an opportunity to enter the home when Davey Blackburn left for the gym at about 6am. "

If you were a husband and had gone to the gym and returned home to find your wife shot and dying, one of your first thoughts normally would be "Why, oh why did I go to the gym this morning? Why didn't I stay home? Why didn't I...?". As human beings, when we are confronted with a tragedy, we cross-examine ourselves (or torture ourselves) in an attempt determine if we somehow could have prevented it or changed the outcome in some way ("If only I'd..."). I recently experienced this with the death of our close friend. Should I have pressed her family for a second opinion sooner? Should I (not an immediate family member= no legal rights) have openly disagreed with the ER doctor when he discounted what a leading specialist suspected? Should I have demanded to see the MIA nursing home doctor anyway? Could I have done anything differently that would have changed anything?

His language is absent any of that. Moreover, given that there are no signs of forced entry and it's less than an hour after he left, he should at the least be wrestling verbally wondering if he left a door open that allowed the killer access to his wife. His language should be anguished with that very real possibility. There's no way a pregnant mom, home alone with a toddler at that time of the morning, is going to open the door for anyone she doesn't know very well...especially one who was already nervous about the neighborhood and their safety. Not going to happen.

Which brings me to the next point- Did Amanda know any black males fitting that description? Did Davey know any from Church, the ministry, youth, community outreaches, restaurants he frequented, the neighborhood, or the gym?

Then there's always Life Insurance death benefits to consider. I wonder what their financial spreadsheets, bank accounts,and debt load look like. I wonder how financially stable the church is and what the church's books look like. If sex was first on his list of issues and money came second, a new baby could put a crimp in both the bedroom and the budget.

I wish someone would have counseled Amanda correctly and well before Davey was even in the pic and before marriage-and not the lame excuse for counseling she got after the fact. It definitely wasn't Biblical, based on what Davey and Amber said. This is really very sad and could have most likely been avoided had she had solid counseling and teaching. Likely, she could have avoided the predator.

**I am not objective here-we have an immediate family member married to a "pastor" a lot like Davey. With visions of grandeur at being a "World Evangelist", he's very good at manipulating people, an excellent speaker, and knows how to work a crowd. Watching Amber, we could see Brianna-same facial expressions, same mannerisms, same tone of voice speaking to the congregation, same trophy wife, same meekness allowing pastor husband to dominate and play center stage, same grandstanding husband celebrity-tripping...Just sickening.

audpaud said...

So guilty. Already in the past tense. Creepy guy

AliKat said...

I would still expect even a hyper Calvinist to have some kind of emotional response. The hyper Calvinism would kick in afterwards - I would think at a much later date once the emotional processing has passed.

I wonder if there is a possibility that she was having an affair and the baby wasn't his, or at the very least that he suspected as much. That could explain a lot of the distance thing and they lack of connection to the unborn child as well as his lack of respect of her as a mother.

Its alaoy possible he's a sociopath or psychopath and or abusive... and probably a narcissist. She basically hints that he wasn't quite the person she expected him to be after they were married.

and of course, most of this is just my initial "feelings" on what I read. I'd like to read some more stuff though. Particularly a longer interview with him, hopefully by somebody with some real interviewing skills!

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Not Statement Analysis, so take it for what it's worth. ;)

In watching the Resonate Church videos listed by various posters above, Davey & Amber are devoid of the loving affirmation I expect to see between a happily married couple. The attentive looks when one spouse is talking at a gathering, the shared smiles across the room, the looks of encouragement when one is sharing an opinion or experience, the engaged nod to your spouse of understanding/agreement, close physical proximity or contact, etc. The videos are painfully awkward, forced, devoid of warmth and affection. As many of you stated already, they are laced with passive-aggressive thrusts by both parties (mainly Davey though). Amber appears to genuinely have a heart for the people, but she appears to be dutifully being a good pastor's wife doing this series.

As someone above pointed out so accurately, Davey was very displeased when Amber said the first 7 months of their marriage were terrible. I was amused that he felt the need to "clarify" what Amber said about "they made mistakes". He comes back with a more innocent sounding explanation that she was wearing a short skirt and he maybe put his hand on her kneee- she said what sounded like "No, that's not what happened!" He needed to portray them/himself as above reproach in this area and she called him out. Based on his language and behavior in just that one Q & A video, I believe Davey's got some sexual sin in his closet.

I agree with JTMO above, he considered her (and likely the children) a burden and a hindrance, had some unresolved sexual sin (mandatory browsing history reports & knowledge to bypass them), and she was likely seriously considering leaving him (which would expose him and ruin his "career"). He's lose his salary, position of authority, his control over his followers, the adoration of his congregation, etc.

Anonymous said...

Strange this story is so very similar to Raven Aberoa and his first wife Janet's murder, toddler upstairs in the crib, he went to an indoor gym, she was killed while he was gone he claimed, but if I remember, he actually he went back after "showing" for an alibi at the gym, shot her, then went back to the gym, came home and pretended it was a home invasion. His second wife was the one who outed him, and caused the investigation to be re-opened...

similar to Casey Anthony's example to all scumbag parents on how to get rid the kiddo without going to prison...

it spawned several individuals to use the same "formula" in their "dilemma"...Just ask Justin DiPietro and his lovely family and stellar ex GF Courtney Roberts, thats how they got rid of his daughter Ayla Reynolds...He still has not been prosecuted, nor anyone else...

I find it so creepy that this case is like that one, only if he had planned it better, with a shooter so he could stay at the gym(not saying thats what happened, its just eerily similar, as is his arrogance and self-absorption, which is crystal clear from the get go in every interview I watched.
She appears humble and kind, and committed/serious, he is not, and has a skanky vibe to him, and does not appear to respect women as an equal...that part is also painfully obvious to his wife and the moderator in the Q/A video, as he uses the bible to support that idea several times, and the look on his wife's face is priceless and oh so telling. Too bad we dont have her diary...

Anonymous said...

OT:
This topic may be of more interest to your flock, Peter. It doesn't deal with any real life characters other than medias manipulation and projection of REAL LIFE characters. It caters to the beotch and moan crowd, those whose hobbies include race baiting, fake charities, invasion of privacy and all other constitutional rights being denied, and more importantly, violation of medical privacy. It is what real life is becoming in America with goons at the helm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/11/13/how-real-housewives-hit-a-new-low-with-a-bizarre-fake-cancer-storyline/

Anonymous said...

In his statements he seems to focus on how this will impact his ministry. That is may lead people to it. And he wants to have a "normal" church service. And that good will come of it. Maybe he feels this "event" will give him a platform in the church. As the poor widow who has this tragic event to share with the world. It just doesn't sit right. Any of it.

Anonymous said...

The police mentioned in their video about groups of people committing crime they've caught. The even mentioned "Block Burners" I don't know exactly what that is, but I'd assume it includes hacking going through mail, trash, key bumpin and or key duplication, and general convincing people it's just their imagination.

A new and improved form of block busting.

The code of silence and talk of snitches makes me think of gangs and primarily black communities. Now with integration, these black men could be holing up in a white home with white people who are into the same crimes.

A paradigm shift.

tania cadogan said...

Looking at the height range of the black possible killer (5'4 - 5'9) it got me wondering if they are sure the killer was male?

5'4 is short for an adult male, was the killer a teenage who was still growing?
Is it possible the killer wasn't male, rather they were female, in which case the lower height is not unexpected.

I would be looking at his congregation and also those who go to his gym.
Does he know or is he friends with black people?

Why would a burglar choose that time of the day to break in and burglarize?
They run the risk of running into the home owners as they are making breakfast or getting ready to go to work.
They run the risk of being seen by neighbors entering the house.
They are open and exposed.

Most burglaries would be when it is dark and the burglar is certain the home owners would be asleep.

Why did they pick that time, especially when hubby is away at the gym (convenient)
Were they watching the house?

It seems just too pat that he would happen to be away at the gym with witnesses to the same just as his house is broken into and his wife shot.

Would a burglar take a gun with them in the first place just in case he was caught in the act?
Murder is a whole new lever of crime, it also means the burglar runs the risk of shots being heard and being caught by armed neighbors or armed home owners as well as LE.
As it is a cul-de-sac, any strange vehicles and/or people would be seen and noted as people tend to know who and what is normal visitor wise as opposed to living on a street where they could/would be through traffic.

Where the reported burglaries a smokescreen and the murder was the main reason?

What is clear is he has an obsession with sex, even to looking for apps to get around filters on his PC.
Why would his wife and a family friend place filters on the PC to record what sites he visited?
This would be expected only if his wife found out about his trawling adult websites.
What kind of adult sites was he visiting that caused his wife to have filters installed?

My initial thought is dating sites, was he looking to hook up with women or even men?
She couldn't/wouldn't divorce him due to her religious beliefs and, since he as so controlling, would he talk about their family image, the church and how it would be affected, maintaining a happily married family charade even when, perhaps, she couldn't abide him, was important, setting an example to his congregation.
It would harm the congregation, the church, even god if the truth was revealed.

Was he visiting child porn sites is another option?
It would provide a motive.
What if she was about to talk to LE?

Things were not right in their relationship as can be seen by his words and his actions.
The videos reveal a poor relationship.

He needs to be polygraphed to see what was going on behind the scenes.

The timing is just too pat, too convenient.
He lack of demands for justice, the lack of warning the neighbors and congregation to be careful as there is a killer on the loose, The distancing language between him and his wife, not mentioning his unborn child, his eagerness to move on.

What is he not telling us?

Peter Hyatt said...

Foolsfeed,

I think most people feel the way you do watching the video.

This was not a loving couple, but tense, competitive one upsmanship with him being the controlling --

Anonymous said...

It is possible that he arranged her murder and the person he hired decided to seize t the opportunity to break into the neighbour's house while waiting. Davey woukd have known they had cameras outside of their house, but the perpetrator would not, thus giving him a solid alibi. The same w knowing the gym has cameras. Besides all of the hinky statements, I want to know if he regularly went to the gym at that time of day

Anonymous said...

Well, ABB, I'm sure inquiring minds will fulfill all your wants soon enuff.

Peter Hyatt said...

I hope he is uninvolved.

If he is uninvolved, he has leaked some serious sexual issues and a bad marriage.

As much as I do not hang my hat on body language analysis, I still observe it, and in some cases, it is difficult to ignore.

In the video of husband and wife, it is one of those times where body language analysis is easy to employ.

Peter

Fools feedonfolly said...

Tania above at 8:41- Very good points! Statistically, very few burglaries occur between 6-7 a.m. because the odds of getting caught increase dramatically. There's too much chance burglars will be confronted by a homeowner or seen/heard by neighbors. Unless this is a fairly swanky neighborhood or an easy mark middle class neighborhood (residents regularly leaves car doors unlocked, windows open when residents leave, or doors unlocked), few serious burglars are going to hit a cul-de-sac. Burglars tend to hit homes that have multiple exits and entry points for an easy getaway. Cul-de-sac homes are riskier targets because of the danger of being trapped by responding LE or blocked by other residential traffic entering or exiting the cul-de-sac.

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad that I found this thread.
I was beginning to think I was going crazy myself, but I analyzed his statements much the same way. I find him completely distasteful and a televangelist wannabe, I believe she was getting in the way of the lifestyle he wants. Would someone tell me where I can watch the videos you are referencing?

Anonymous said...

A voyeur or rapists like those early hours. Perhaps burglary for profit was just a sideline.

John, you like racial issues and here is one black woman far removed from the environment who'd see things your way.

Culture or family tradition?

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a49050/daniel-holtzclaw-trial-oklahoma/

Shannon Duane said...

I think it's also leakage of a sort (I am VERY new to SA so I could be using the wrong term for it or just be wrong, so caveat). But I think his subconscious thinks that actual good will come of his. Like ACTUAL good for him. Why is her death good? Because he didn't want to be married to her anymore. So whether he did it or not, her death is positive for him. Thank you Jesus for answering his prayers /sarcasm

Carnival Barker said...


I wonder if Davey FullofCrocket has an Ashley Madison account. Think about it, that leak happened three months ago, coincidentally right around the time she got pregnant. His wife discovering that and threatening to expose it to his followers would be signing her own death warrant. His church seems to be the thing he cares about above all else, underscored by him mentioning in his statement his "growing ministry" but nothing about his growing family. Hmmmmm.

The neighboring burglary was a ruse for sure. Reminds me of the Tylenol poisonings years ago. A woman wanted to kill her husband with cyanide-laced Tylenol, so to make it look random she planted the tainted capsules in different bottles all over the state, killing a handful of other people as well. Collateral damage, if you will.

Anonymous said...

I found the resonate Q&A video. That is a VERY passive aggressive, unhappy couple.
Even if he did not hire someone to kill her, he was looking to get out.
No wonder his statement is so creepy. You could see his ego deflate the moment she said she didn't want to have sex on date nights. Very, very unhappy couple with serious issues.

Shannon Duane said...

Then I presume she'd have been assaulted in some way. Most rapists don't shoot and run. Now I guess it's possible...I've been reading a lot of true crime and one of main things in common with kidnappings, then rape, then murder (as in, woman forced to go somewhere then killed) is that the victim went more or less willingly. Obviously under threat of harm, but still went. Probably in hopes it would just be rape.

There was an English girl (Laura Bayliss) who worked at a 7/11 at night and she was kidnapped and killed. The video in the store showed her murderer coming in, then them disappearing into the back. But I don't believe she was killed there. He threatened her so he ultimately left with him. And he killed her elsewhere.

This same story happens over and over and over. My new plan is to call their bluff. The ones who have survived often just stood up to their attackers. Kill me now then. Right here in the store. Right here on the sidewalk. Because I'm not going with you. So I'll make a scene and then if you're that desperate, you'll have to physically restrain me right here out in public. Obviously that won't always work, but it often does. They don't want a scene.

So she could have resisted and he lost it and shot. But I think it was either 1) a real robber who got spooked or 2) a set up. In scenario 2, I'm thinking the burglary down the street may have been part of the set up. Makes robbery plausible. But that could be too consortia you theory.

I'm suspicious though. My mom, who thinks SA is interesting when i talk about it, but who hasn't ever read it herself immediately thought his statement was off.

Where's the talk of her as a mother? WHAT ABOUT THE SON? That is my biggest red flag. Your son is without a mother...and I'd be worrying that he was traumatized. Yeah he's young but we don't know what he saw. We don't KNOW he was upstairs (conflicting reports). And where is the thanks to Jesus that the baby was unharmed? So if someone with no SA experience says this is off, it's off.

Let's hope for bad marriage.

Shannon Duane said...

Consortia = conspiracy

Darn iPhone

Anonymous said...

Carnival barker, yes, especially if the neighbor home which was burgled had residents known to be away. A ruse perhaps.

I cannot get over Blackburn's statements. "I have not only lost my ministry partner and support but also my very best friend." What about some reference to love, e.g., "my love," "the love of my life," etc.? He lost his "ministry partner"? His main concern regards his ministry and her role as his "support"? What about her being the mother of their child?

I really want to hear the 911 call.

Juliet said...

The guy is a schmuck. I think he was not so subtly disparaging his wife when he described the milkshake incident - who doesn't recall the embarrassment of spluttering something through their nose, such loss of dignity especially in public? He chooses that as the amazing hilarious moment he knew he was going to marry her, when really it's just a way of making her feel and appear stupid from the get go.

The case brought to mind the pastor's wife who shot dead her husband and ran away with the kids - I wonder if Davey wasn't similarly unreasonable in his bedroom demands, and if she was uncooperative and unavailable. He maybe didn't get the submissive, hero-worshipping wife he anticipated - she was more feisty and principled than he could deal with - they maybe both thought they could change the other, she him for the better, him her to become appropriately submissive, according to his own ideas of what a good wife should be. Whatever, it wasn't working out.

During those first seven awful months, she probably discovered his internet habits, and ever since he has lived with the humiliation of having those known and monitored by his wife and another. I should think that troubled him greatly, as he is all about his own image - even so he had found apps to circumvent the monitoring. He let it out, not being able in that moment to resist boasting of his smartness in outwitting them - I wonder what happened after that Q & A session; not hard to imagine that Amanda was at her wits' end and he feared more exposure, and the nature of his interests being made known.

Also, she probably became pregnant during those first seven months or shortly thereafter - she no doubt would have been held partly responsible for his turning elsewhere for sexual stimulation, and no doubt pressure and guilt would have played its part in her trying more to please him. Pregnancy though, would be likely to make her unavailable , or more unavailable - and with the arrival of the baby, her attention would be transferred from Davey to the baby. If it was all meant to be about him, while she wanted to be mother at home with new baby and Netflix, while he craved public praise and affirmation, rather than mundane family responsibility, one can imagine her disappointment, and his impatience and frustration at these 'obstacles' to his ministry. He maybe was speaking of himself when he said some people are not cut out for marriage.

If he is not involved, it's a pity for him that the videos exist as a reminder of the unhappy marriage he made with the young woman who now is dead. I am suspicious, even without the video, as his reaction is so off - the conflict and mutual dislike evidenced through the video adds to the suspicion.

Anonymous said...

Yes, no reference to "my love", and I also found the part where he says he's going to be a "great" Pastor to the "growing church" to sound like a plug for the church. Kind of like "Join us, we are Growing!" An advertisement at the end of what was supposed to be a heartbroken man issuing a statement.

In my mind, an authentic statement would be "I'm devastated for my son and myself. Please pray for us while I try to make sense of this terrible tragedy." He said WAY too much and rambled a LOT about himself.

Sus said...

There isn't much doubt in my mind after watching their videos, that Pastor Davey is a narcissistic sex addict. Strong words, but he tells us himself, that he has no self control over the "flesh." He is all about external locus of control...he wasn't tempted since they had a long-distance relationship; her father kept him in line; he has internet blocks. All because he can't stop himself.

To a narcissist, the strongest external control is his/her significant other. The narcissist spends his life walking a fine line...in Pastor Davey's case, battling Amanda for what he wants, yet expecting her to keep him in line.

I wonder how much of a problem those videos caused. Pastor Davey was exposed. It was painfully obvious after his rant on Internet blocks. I can guarantee you he would blame Amanda.

I just keep wondering if from the point of making the videos, something changed. If the need to get rid of his external control - Ananda - grew inside him.

Another point is that Pastor Davey wants the "perfect ministry" like Jesus. Jesus was not married. Then he brought up Paul, specifically that Paul was not married to be able to minister.

Putting it all together, it seems Pastor Davey believes a wife is a hindrance to his "perfect ministry" and his wants of the flesh. Now, did that lead to her murder is the question.

JMTO said...

Amanda at 17:12 Love Song 6

"We love you, and we want you to move away and get use to each other but we don't want you to move away from this church, so if you're getting married, (Davey interjects "Yeah") don't move. (Davey- "Because this is the best church there is, Amanda says "it is")

Amanda:
"People have done that."

Davey:
"Yeah they have."

Amanda:
"It really is a good thing."

Davey:
"Ad we just got a call from a couple the other day that said "We're moving back, bc it's just been terrible." And we were like "Ok, c'mon."

Amanda
"Not true."

Davey:
"Just kidding.
It IS kinda true."


She called him out as a liar on stage infront f his congregation and impressionable youth.
I can't imagine what that convo was like later on.

I'm no expert- but I think Amanda was a straight shooter. She tried hard to follow the rules and live her life and be spiritually clean.
No adultery or lies, even little ones.
She was very by the book.

Where Davey was not.
He's a control freak.
He dominates her and belittles her in that Q&A. Pats her on the head. Talks about bringing back a dowry (he said alimony, someone stated above)- he believes he is better than his wife.

He is obsessed with sex.
To the point he needs to have it before being able to devote ANY attention to her or his children's needs. He delights in bringing it up to his youthful congregation- and standing behind the cloak of being married to God- so it's ok to be a pervert on stage and talk vulgarly.

He is a liar.
Not only does he lie about little stupid things, but he will lie to his own followers.
She pointed that out, to them, on stage.

Did she do it bc he doesn't want him to lie, or did she do it bc she might be a tad bit resentful that she sees one man at home and the congregation sees another man.
Devote to God and a good person.

Hmmm......




Shannon Duane said...

Sad that so many of us came to the same conclusion independently...that the nearby burglary was a ruse. The whole thing is so suspicious.

Anonymous said...

It is sad Shannon. That's one point upon which I vehemently agree.
Nuthin' dat a roll of Reynolds Wrap cannot take care of.

Sus said...

Shannon,
That's a good plan and exactly what stats tell us. Criminals want an enclosed area to commit their crime. Don't go with them! Fight or run right where you are out in the open. Your chances of survival are much better.

Shannon Duane said...

Sus,

I think people freeze with fear. As hard as it is, you've got to try to think a little clearly at least. Know that if you go somewhere secluded, there's a good chance you will die anyway. I'd rather die out in the open, making a big scene. My bet is a good portion of would be murderers will move on. They don't want to be caught so why risk shorting someone out in the open? I have to admit, I'm terrified of being stabbed so a knife would scare me. But better to stand tall and be stabbed in public than in the woods somewhere.

You can't do much about the Ted bundy types who hit you over the head with a crowbar, short of not walking alone at 1am and not helping strange men load their cars. And sometimes you just can't do anything. But if someone actually TELLS me to go somewhere or he will shoot, my response is "shoot then."

JenB said...

http://www.kfor1240.com/pages/22174325.php?

Last paragraph of the story:
Converse said that the Blackburns' dog greeted investigators when they arrived at the home, and the couple's young son had been in the house at the time of the incident, though he was upstairs in his crib.

****

Interesting. That was a really big dog.



tania cadogan said...

Peter Hyatt said...

The video sounds like:

he is obsessed with sex...

at the gym,

before dinner and on and on he goes.

He seems to be contemptuous of his wife, especially that she seems more genuine about her own belief regarding sex and marriage.

He seems terribly dissatisfied with her specifically about sex.

The mention of a baby being a "transition" is in a very negative context. Now that she was pregnant again...

Peter

November 13, 2015 at 5:03 PM



Exactly Peter.

The mention of a baby being a "transition" is in a very negative context. Now that she was pregnant again...
Her being pregnant meant little or no sex especially if she has bad morning sickness, tender boobs, and, in the later stages of pregnancy, too big, too tender,not in the mood.
Then after delivery no sex for at least 6 weeks to allow for healing and everything to move back and after that caring for a demanding baby and toddler, lack of sleep, general exhaustion especially if he isn't lending a hand and all the other things that new babies and toddlers demand of parents.

Right there is a motive.

He is obsessed with sex, demands sex before eating with a poor excuse about not being able to concentrate.
He brags about his sex life.

All this makes me wonder if he is having an affair or more.
Is he sexually attracted to men and married to conceal his secret?
Does he have sexual problems such as premature ejaculation?

Their sex life (or lack of it) and her pregnancy could be the motive for her murder.
She knew what sites he had visited hence the filters, was he still visiting site on a pc without filters, perhaps one in the church, a friend or on his cell phone?

Was divorce mentioned?
He would have to pay up for alimony and child support for two children.
Would it affect his standing as a preacher.
Preachers should have a dutiful wife and obedient children to set a good example to their congregation.
Did he fear what she might say about him in public?

Anonymous said...

The most troubling thing he said, in my opinion is: There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these..." OH? "PREPARE?" Marbles slipping out?

Had he been trying to prepare himself in advance of the murder of his wife and unborn child? Sure sounds to me like he had! Who would make such a statement if not one who had already prepared and rehearsed his speech?

Lastly; "....... good things will come out of this." What good things? How could it, when a young mother and her unborn child have just been brutally murdered? What "good" is this? There is no good that could ever replace or justify the evil that was just done to them.

His congregational 'speech' is just too perfectly arranged for an audience and NOT for the loss of his dearly departed wife and their unborn child, or the tragic way in which they departed this life, or any grief for the child she left behind.

IMO, the man is either lame-brained or has guilty knowledge or both. ABB

Juliet said...

Looking at Davey Blackburn's Facebook - they have been together since 2005 and were married in 2008. For some reason I thought they were married just a year or so before the baby came along and had not known each other for long prior to their marriage. Perhaps more bio is in the other videos, which I hope to listen to later. There is a donation page with no running total - it says on Resonate Church FB it is for Weston's college fund, while on the donation page itself it states it is for Davey, Weston, and support for the family. Flowers or donations. Live streaming the celebration/memorial.

The police surely have their suspicions - it was nteresting they showed the photo of the dog. Also, their upset and anger was so evident, it was touching - something strangely missing from the heavy hearted 'the best is yet to come' Davery.

Juliet said...

Davery was a typo, but I don't know - his following might be a Davery. :-/ There's a lot of support and sympathy, barely any outrage on the Facebooks - it's odd. Where's the anger at the brutal slaying of a pregnant young mother?

aliasapology said...

Perry Noble is now speaking at her funeral. They are asking for people to make an alter call which really means...join their church.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe I found this blog...Guys...you're wonderful!!! The minute I saw this news on TV my heart broke...I cannot believe you are yet to see another Scott Peterson case...but more sophisticated...(gees..grammar is killing me). Peter, and all of you....I had the same suspicions, and I looked at most of the videos..with Amanda and Davey...He either killed her, or hired someone to do it for him!!!

Betty said...

I live in the country on ten acres and I can hear everything in our neighborhood. So like you I can't imagine how this could go down at 6:45 in the morning and no one noticed anything unusual.

Secondly, how often do home burglaries take place at 6:45 am and when most people are getting ready to go to work and/or get the kids off to school? Wouldn't a burglar want to make sure there was minimal goings on before trying to break into a house, especially on a cul-de-sac which offers only one way in/out?

Sidenote: when I first heard this headline on the news, without knowing anything but "pastor's wife gunned down at home" my first thought was he did it. After reading his statements my opinion has only become stronger. This guy is hinky.

Anonymous said...

Peter, and all...listen to this...Love Song Week 2 - he just says " I had to be careful what life insurance I took on her" ....minute 35:24....Really??? I think he is deep in this!!!..Poor girl!

In the Q&A 1,2,3 I saw an narcissist, a controlling "pastor". She was miserable, almost crying at times, fed up with him. Ohh, my name is Dianna btw .

Betty said...

I agree. It isn't a mistress he has, it's a "best friend". And now the pastor has fulfilled his obligation to prove he's straight and has a child so the wife was no longer necessary. Maybe the police need to also look at the "best friend's" life and whereabouts.

Betty said...

I was raised as Southern Baptist and I have no idea what you are talking about. Every funeral at our church, for both adults and children, prayers are offered for them to God.

Anonymous said...

https://vimeo.com/140595424 minute 35.25 he says..."I HAD TO BE CAREFUL THE KIND OF LIFE INSURANCE I TOOK ON HER"... seconds later his face shows.......he realized he just said that....he looked frightened a little bit.....I bet he took a life insurance on her...

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23perrynoble&src=typd

It starts showing up little bit little #perrynoble.....Are you kidding me? He is GUILTY....people start talking....

Pickles said...

"Celebrating Amanda" yet every single picture has Davey and her, not one pic of her by herself or even her with the baby. Strange. Who exactly are people supposed to be celebrating? http://resonateindianapolis.com/amanda/

This guy a narcissistic sociopath and he does not know what to say after his wife's death because he is a FACADE of what he thinks "normal" looks like.

When he talks about everyday at the gym being a temptation because the women are dressed so provocatively I am thinking he is probably really tempted by the men....

Pickles said...

Davey cannot even keep up his facade of grieving a couple of days after the death of his wife when one of his "heroes" tweets his sympathy to him. Craig Groeschel is a pastor a Life church a mega church with multiple locations.


Craig Groeschel ‏@craiggroeschel Nov 12
@daveyblackburn Joining with so many others lifting your family in prayer. Hurting for you and standing with you.

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn Nov 13
@craiggroeschel thank you so much. I know you don't know me but you're one of my Spiritual heros. You have no idea how much this means

Anonymous said...

And he's still tweeting.
He cannot help himself.

Tish said...

Hi! I'm new but love this blog and learning to notice false statements helps me at work and home.

I just noticed how few pics of his wife on his Twitter. And quite a few of him alone with his son.

I hope something cracks this case soon.

Tish

Ashley said...

Were the videos removed? I watched them two nights ago, but I can't get them to play now.

Anonymous said...

I would be very interested to learn your thoughts on Blackburn's most recent televised interview on GMA as well as a longer 15 minute interview taken by a local news station. His comments are as absurd as expected.

Steven California said...

I am very glad to find this page! I prefer not to think that the Pastor is guilty, but so far even though they have found a "suspect" (the typical black man in a hoodie which fits a racial narrative), I am convinced he has a girlfriend and hired someone.

Steven California said...

Furthermore, the pastor is grinning from ear to ear. He is very happy. That is extremely suspicious, to me. I do not accept the idea that he is "happy in Jesus", which is the idea he wants to give out. He is happy that his wife and fetus are gone from this world. What a relief. The police know (hopefully) enough to check cell phone records, emails, friendships (esp. at church), whereabouts, life insurance policies, etc.

My World said...

I think this guy is GUILTY! Read some if his ex-pastors words. Perry Noble is a false teacher. I feel bad for his wife, but she should have been able to discern truth from falsehood, or he was just too crafty. So sad!

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