Sunday, December 27, 2015

Peyton Manning Denies HGH Use From Doctor


HGH has been hailed as the "anti aging miracle" hormone, reportedly widely used by Hollywood as well as professional athletes. 

It is the hormone that:

a.  helps sleep
b.  gives energy
c.  Facilitates healing from injury
d.  provides strength

In short, when you see a child jumping up and down, non stop, and you become exhausted looking at him, you are looking at the magic of human growth hormone. 

In low dosages, particularly over time, it has reportedly cut injury recovery time dramatically and has given athletes many additional years in their careers.  It is often combined with low dose testosterone, good nutrition and exercise for maximum results. 

Roger Clemens, for example, was indicated for deception regarding PEDs.  

Recently, a news agency did an investigation into a doctor associated with HGH who had treated Peyton Manning.  

Manning responded.

The expectation is, "I didn't use HGH."

The word "never" spans a large and sometimes indefinite amount of time, thus it is "unreliable."  If it is coupled with a reliable denial, it is appropriate, but alone, it is not. 

Lance Armstrong "never" used PEDs.  He went on to confess, though even his confession contained points of deception.  

Marion Jones, who spent time in prison for lying, "never" used PEDs.  She combined "never" with qualifiers indicating a new level of weakness: 
"never" plus "NTP", or "Need to Persuade." 

When someone has "never" used, he or she may say, "I did not" or the relaxed, "I didn't" (both are reliable), followed by "never"; but alone, it is not to be deemed reliable. 

If "never" is, itself, sensitive, it becomes even 'weaker' for the purpose of analysis, as it now combines the unreliability of "never" with the need to persuade. 




Peyton Manning denies allegation he received HGH in 2011

Peyton Manning issued a statement Saturday night denying allegations  from an investigative report that an Indianapolis anti-aging clinic supplied him with human growth hormone in 2011.

"The allegation that I would do something like that is complete garbage and is totally made up.  It never happened. Never. I really can't believe somebody would put something like this on the air. Whoever said this is making stuff up."

This is to say that the allegation is not only "garbage" but "complete garbage."  In his own personal dictionary, what is "garbage"?  It is something worthy of throwing out?  Is it "garbage" to have published it?  

It is not only "made up" but it is "completely" made up.  This is to also avoid denying using PEDs, but rather make something "made up", itself, sensitive to him. 

Then we note "it never happened" is passive voice.  "It" needs someone to inject, after someone "mailed" or facilitated its purchase.  The passivity is used to conceal identity and/or responsibility, and without a reliable denial, it further weakens the denial. 

Stuff

"making stuff up" is to use the word "stuff", which is nondescript.  This, too, not only avoids denying the allegation, but seeks to introduce vagueness, which is the essence of "never"; it avoids a specific time period which would increase tension for the liar, as the time period narrows.  The psychological hiding in a vast time period is not echoed by the material:
It is "stuff", which is often said when some things are not true (being "made up") but others may be true. 

Analysis Conclusion:

Deception Indicated  

1.  He does not issue a denial.  This, itself, is not enough to conclude deception; only to conclude that he has not denied the allegation. 

2  The use of "never" is a psychological thinning out of time. 

3.  The repetition shows increase in sensitivity. 

4.  The passivity is noted. 

5.  The need to persuade coupled with the above, including deliberately vague language, in both time and in content, allows for conclusion. 

Manning missed the 2011 season because of four neck surgeries and joined the Broncos as a free agent prior to the 2012 season. The NFL collective bargaining agreement ratified in 2011 banned the use of HGH. However, the league did not begin testing for the substance until 2014. No NFL player has tested positive for HGH.


According to the  documentary "The Dark Side," British hurdler Liam Collins went undercover to expose the rampant use of performance-enhancing drugs in sports. As part of his investigation, Collins met with Charles Sly, a former pharmacist at the anti-aging Guyer Clinic in Indianapolis. Sly said he mailed HGH to Manning's wife, Ashley, to avoid any link to the quarterback. Collins gained fame in 2009 when he reached the semifinals of "Britain's Got Talent" as part of the Faces of Disco with his cousin. Collins received a 14-year ban in 2013 for bilking investors in a multimillion property scheme.

In a follow-up interview, Sly recanted the allegations, saying they "are absolutely false and incorrect." Sly said Collins took advantage of him during a vulnerable time in his life following the death of his fiancée.

Ari Fleischer, who heads a sports communications company and is an adviser to Manning, slammed the accusations in an interview with The Denver Post on Saturday night, calling the report "junk journalism."

"There's no truth to it," Fleischer said. "What they have is a well-known con man from England who secretly recorded a former intern."

Sly was an unpaid intern at The Guyer Institute from February 2013-May 2013, according to Fleischer. This disputes information in the documentary, which says Sly worked at the institute in 2011. Sly confirmed Fleischer's account, telling ESPN on Saturday that he worked at the institute in 2013, not in 2011 as the Al Jazeera report alleges.

According to Fleischer, Manning was a patient of The Guyer Institute in the fall of 2011 for rehabilitation from neck surgeries. Manning has not been a patient since, Fleischer said.

Manning told ESPN on Saturday night: "Yes, I have been a patient under Dr. Guyer. I have had nutrient therapy, oxygen therapy and other treatments that are holistic in nature but never HGH."

Here, again, he is unwilling or unable to say that he did not use HGH. 

Rule:  if the subject is unwilling or incapable to deny the allegation, we are not permitted to say it for him.  


Manning, 39, has not played since Nov. 15 after exiting in the third quarter against the Kansas City Chiefs following his fourth interception. An MRI the following day confirmed torn plantar fascia in his left foot.

25 comments:

Me2l said...

The source has recanted his statement, and, in fact, was neither an employee nor intern at the Indy clinic in 2011. He was not there until 2013, long after Manning was in Denver.

John mcgowan said...

"Yes, I have been a patient under Dr. Guyer. I have had nutrient therapy, oxygen therapy and other treatments that are holistic in nature but never HGH."

~~Rummages for his internal dictionary~~







Anonymous said...

Here's more:

“There’s no truth to it,” Fleischer said of the report, via Troy E. Renck and Nicki Jhabvala of the Denver Post. “What they have is a well-known con man from England who secretly recorded a former intern.”

The former Guyer Institute intern, Charles Sly, reportedly has recanted the claim that Manning used HGH. Sly was caught on tape (unbeknownst to him) making the allegations by Liam Collins, a British hurdler who went undercover in an effort to expose PED use in sports. Sly told Al Jazeera that the statements attributed to him are “absolutely false and incorrect,” and that Collins took advantage of Sly during a vulnerable period following the passing of his fiancé. Sly separately told ESPN that he lied to Collins to test his legitimacy. (At some point, the sheer volume of alternative explanations from Sly makes each of them curious, at best.)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/peyton-manning-adds-ari-fleischer-to-hgh-allegation-p-r-effort/

maudes harold said...

http://nypost.com/2015/12/27/evidence-links-mosque-to-san-bernardino-terrorist-attack/

"Asked if Farook was radicalized at the mosque, Abbassi snapped, “Never.”


Not a reliable denial.


"He said the mosque teaches only peace, insisting no one has even an “extremist idea.”

“In Islam,” he said, “we are against innocent killing.”


I guess we would need his definition of "innocent."

Peter Hyatt said...

Very good, Maudes, particularly the additional word "innocent."

A woman was torn apart by a mob after a rumor was floated that she had burned the koran. The video particularly troubles the world as it appears that the men were fighting to get their iPhones closest to the victim without a single one wishing to intervene.

God help us.

Peter

John mcgowan said...

maudes harold said...

http://nypost.com/2015/12/27/evidence-links-mosque-to-san-bernardino-terrorist-attack/

"Asked if Farook was radicalized at the mosque, Abbassi snapped, “Never.”


Not a reliable denial.


"He said the mosque teaches only peace, insisting no one has even an “extremist idea.

In Islam,” he said, “we are against innocent killing.”


I guess we would need his definition of "innocent.

December 27, 2015 at 11:32 AM

Remember, the shortest sentence is best. It is succinct, to the point, and without qualification. Each additional word, weakens, and may also leak (marbles) their true thoughts.

maudes harold said...

I didn't want to include the word "even" because it wasn't an actual part of the quote, tho it pinged to me too and I suspect it was part of the actual statement.



Kip said...

I'm a loyal fan of Manning and hate to think he could be guilty of HGH use. Unfortunately, no one is immune from wrong-doing.

Kip said...

I'm a loyal fan of Manning and hate to think he could be guilty of HGH use. Unfortunately, no one is immune from wrong-doing.

Anonymous said...

This morning when I saw this story, and read the "denial" I thought "OMG, he's lying." As I've read your blog more and more and practiced on your methods, I've discovered that I can now tell a LOT of time when people are polite-lying or destructive-lying in public, and Manning certainly skates all the way around China to avoid saying "I didn't."

Two days ago doing tech support... I got a frantic phone call from a 60ish City Dwelling guy who is staying with his 70ish mother in her remote country cottage ... she has wi-fi which we install and maintain. We can check from here if it works.

8:15 am on Boxing Day, frantic phone call from the "kid", "I'm expecting IMPORTANT emails and there's no wifi... You have to come out right this second and fix it."

I ask him "Are you upstairs with the computer?" And he mumbles something indistinct which I decided was no. I asked him to go upstairs to the computer, but he didn't.

Meanwhile I check the line, and it's fine.

I ask him "Did you restart the modem?" He screams "Yes, yes yes!!! You have to come out right now and fix this or I'll get someone else out who knows what they're doing" Right there I don't believe him because I'm not sure he even knows what a modem looks like since he's nearly 60 years old and obviously not capable of calming down to think.

He also has no clue that no one else is going to do that drive without some basic tech-support type answers on a Saturday morning the day after Christmas in a rural area. His city "manners" are getting him nowhere with me, and I know the other techs won't do anything without data either... So rather than continue to listen to him rage, I ask him what color are the lights on the front of the modem (seeking to stimulate his mouth to shut up and his eyes to open and gather visual data). He says "Forget the lights, just get my wifi working!!!!" (Note it's his MOM's wifi that he's now turned personal.)

I politely tell him to call the other guy (so we can have a good joint giggle when this arse goes home to the City)... and the other guy also refuses to show up without information, kinda of course and expected outcome to anyone from up here, not the concrete ego-jungle.

Anonymous said...


So I wait a few minutes and call their housekeeper on her mobile... "Maria, could you go upstairs and tell me what the lights look like on the front of the modem?" ... she chats quietly on the way up until she says "There is no modem." We go all thru it, "little box, size of paperback book with two antennae, black with blue trim? Can't see it? Maybe under the table if it got knocked off?" "No modem," she says "I have one at home, there isn't one here! and no wires from wall to computer."

I put my thinking cap on and realize that the "OTHER" kids have just been there for three weeks prior to the holiday. They got a new house about 45 minutes away and only moved in this week... if Mom didn't use her wifi (highly unlikely) for a day or two before the city son returned, she'd not have known when it stopped working. From there it was an inch to think then what if the other kids took / moved / trashed the modem on their way out?

I suggest this to Maria... who calls me about 20 minutes later laughing her head off very quietly. The other kids had to wake up early, get dressed, get in car, return to the house and RETURN the modem because they'd "accidentally borrowed it" on the way to their new house. Oopsie daisy, but problem all solved. Thank God none of them are my kids.

Thank you Peter for the suggestion to trigger visual memory in liars. I knew Mr. City Boy hadn't even looked (even assuming he knew a modem from his blow-drier) when he said the lights didn't matter.


The lights didn't matter because he hadn't looked, nor had he restarted the modem. And because of statement analysis, I figured it out without ever getting out of my warm house in the middle of nowhere to go slog around on the "Case of the Missing Modem".

Peter, thanks for the knowledge!!! (sorry for the two-part post)

GeekRad said...

I told my husband I didn't believe him. It is disappointing. I like Peyton Manning.

Peter Hyatt said...

Geek,
think of how easy this is justified...

A doctor prescribes it;

it is legal

in low dosages, it is considered not only healthy, but rejuvenates aging;

he wants desperately to continue his career, and can even say to himself,

Everyone is doing it.

It is in my body naturally, but my levels have dropped....

this is not muscle building ,but good healing...

and...

he can talk himself into it.

One year more of career: $millions

He may think he has no life outside football...

I like him too. He's had a great career. He would have been better owning it.

Peter

lynda said...

...and Pete Rose banned from baseball FOREVER for betting (not against his own team either) I loved Pete. He's always seemed so upfront and honest as far as what he did but now, I'm going to have to go back and read some of his statements. Say it ain't so Pete!

sewimperfect said...

I just said the same thing as what you said above, he should have owned it. He could have said " In 2011 when I was not an active football player & was recovering from FOUR neck surgeries I received several therapies to speed healing & recovery time, including hgh. I have at no point since ingested hgh or any other peds while participating in the NFL." My husband said it doesn't matter if he's on or off season, if he was contracted as an NFL player they will fire him, saying he's in violation of the rules. My hubby also said tho he doesn't agree athletes should not receive treatments for healing general public can receive. I agree, but I DESPISE lying. He's in between a rock & hard place if he can't say the truth.
Ps Not a robot!

Boston Lady said...

I read on Bleacher Report that Sly recanted his statement. Can both Manning and Sly be lying? I was hoping Manning would provide a simple "I did not use HGH". He didn't. Does anyone tell the truth these days or is it all misleading rhetoric?

Me2l said...

Manning absolutely did deny it.

If I were falsely accused of something that could have a huge impact, I'd be furious too. It would make me angry, and I can see myself saying I "never" did ..... whatever.

I've been reading comments on various sites, and they range from, "if he didn't do it, he would not be so upset or care so much", to, "if he didn't do it, he should sue."

Ok. Which is it?

GeekRad said...

I get it Peter. I think maybe he doesn't know or doesn't want to know and that is what everyone does. I do think Peyton would ever intentionally lie. I hope so.

GeekRad said...

I meant never intentionally.

LC said...

Hmmm - although I don't like the sound of Peyton's 'denial' - I have to consider that he may be between a rock and a hard place in protecting his wife's privacy. Some have suggested that Ashley may have tried hgh for anti-aging purposes.
I suspect that IF there was any use of hgh, it might have been used for infertility issues during the pregnancy resulting in the birth of twins Marshall & Mosley - a Very Private matter that they wouldn't want exposed.
Sly, the intern does not pass the Smell Test.
The 'denial' came as a response to a reporter's questions - and I would like to see the actual exchange of responses before I condemn the man.

Anonymous said...

http://www.theonion.com/article/aging-peyton-manning-now-forced-take-field-assista-51858

Boston Lady said...

I just read an article from Profootball Talk. Notice Peyton Manning states "he'll PROBABLY sure" I don't think this is a fully committed Peyton. It's also a good article discussing that the writer was not planning on reporting on this as Peyton did not provide a denial of using HGH.

Even the reporters are not buying what Peyton is selling.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/peyton-manning-says-hell-probably-sue-over-hgh-allegations/

Peter King of TheMMQB.com and NBC’s Football Night in America asked Manning whether he’ll sue, and here’s what Peyton told King: “Yeah, I probably will. I’m that angry.”

Boston Lady said...

Whoopss *** Sue.. not sure ***

BB said...

I think the anger is driving his speech. I would say "never" if I were in his position. His speech was unscripted. He could have relied on Fleisher to issue a scripted denial, but he didn't. He is one level headed dude and he is clearly effing livid. His entire brand is about hard work and putting in the time and effort. The nature of the allegation, which was retracted by the source anyway, denigrates the fundamental essence of what people love and respect about him. Of course he is furious and coming out strongly. The source recanted. End of story.

political leverage said...

"...totally made up. " Right here is the lie.We know that this can at best be partially made up. We know he did attend the location. We also know his wife attended the location.

Bam done!