Thursday, February 18, 2016

Sexual Statement: Reliable Denial or Not?


Allegation:  Adult had sexual contact with underaged girl.

Denial:   "I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."  

Analysis?

How many points of analysis are in this short sentence?

A.  List as many as you can and include 
B.  what questions you would like to ask the subject.  


27 comments:

Anonymous said...

not

Anonymous said...

no need for the word certainly, and also he listed the place where it most likely took place

Bobcat said...

"I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

Analysis?

How many points of analysis are in this short sentence?

A. List as many as you can and include
B. what questions you would like to ask the subject.

Certainly
That girl
At my home

What did happen at your home?
What happened at any other home(s)?
Who is "that girl"?
What does "have sex" mean to you?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Certainly- extra word
sex- what is the subject's definition of sex
that- this is close, that is distancing
girl- the accuser is nameless here while sexual contact is personal; I would expect a strong, angry denial addressing her by name (Did he think she was "legal"? Did he ask? Did she lie and present as older?)
at my home- need to specify a location

Were you ever alone with the girl? Where? When?
How do you define sex?
Did you at any point touch the girl? (Depending on his responses, I may ask about tickling, wrestling, horsing around, playing)
Over her clothing? Underneath her clothing? (Depending on his responses, I may begin pinpointing specific body parts)
Did you remove any of your clothing? Did you remove any of her clothing?
Did you have sex with her?
Did you have sex with her at her home? At someone else's home? In your vehicle? At a hotel/motel?
Where did you have sex with her?

Shannon Duane said...

Basically what bobcat said. That was my analysis, too.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like a perfect denial. Adding "certainly" strengthens the statement and makes it more dramatic for the reader - it means being more believable. In fact, I'm sold by the second word, and there is no need to even read the rest of the sentence... it seals the deal. I personally like how the response includes "didn't." Nice and short - say 1 word vs. 2 (makes perfect sense). You guys all listed some other things, which are incorrect.

Boston Lady said...

I agree with Bobcat. The first flag for me was "certainly". Need to persuade. The next was "that girl". Distancing, no introduction/name. "sex" What does that mean to the accused.

Hey Jude said...

I would ask:
Did any type of sexual activity occur between the subject and any under aged girl - at any time or place?

The subject does not deny sexual activity with an underage girl - only with that particular girl, in that particular place. There may have been sexual activity with her in a different setting - the denial is in regards to the location not the sexual activity. There was no sexual activity with that girl in the home -what about another or other girls in the home, though?

Lis said...

I'm not sure the exact question he was asked but expected would be
"I didn't [have sexual contact] with [girl's name]"

"I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

certainly = added persuasion = sensitivity
have sex = what does he define as sex? did he do something he personally defines as not "having sex"?
that girl = distancing language
at my home = was he asked specifically if he had sex with her at his home? if not, why does he bring his home into the answer?

I would like to ask:
What happened?

Penny said...

Allegation: Adult had sexual contact with underaged girl.

Denial: "I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

- a reliable denial is without qualification and specific to the allegation

- certainly is a qualifier. Sensitive.

- So is "at my home." I would ask, "anywhere else?"

- "have sex" constrains the commitment. Perhaps he had other sexual contact with her. Apparently oral sex is sex, and this is something viewed differentially across generations.

- "that girl" has distancing language and is nonspecific.

Questions:
- did you have sexual contact other than PV sex?
- did you have sex with that girl outside of your home?
- did you have sexual contact with any other underage girls?

John mcgowan said...

Denial: "I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."


A "Reliable Denial" (RD) consist of three components. Anything more than three or less than three is considered unreliable.

(RD)

1) First person singular "I" taking ownership.
2) "Didn't/did not" past tense
3) Allegation specific

This must be said in the "free Editing Process" and not reflective language.

Denial: "I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home. Adding in "certainly weakens the (RD) making it sensitive. This is not to say it isn't true, but in principle it is unreliable

You say you "didn't have sex with that girl" at your home, using the subjects language, being very careful not to introduce any other words and contaminating. Did you have sex with another "girl" other than "that (Distance) girl"?

"have sex"

What is your definition of "sex"?
This for me is the most important question.

That girl"

What is your definition of "girl

If you were not at your "home" did you have "sex" anywhere else.?
Can you tell me if anyone else lives at your "home"?

John mcgowan said...

Cont..

You say you "certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

Can You you tell me what happened?

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

JSO combing air, water in Mandarin in search for missing grandmother

Police on Thursday night were guarding a home on Mandarin Road, the last place grandmother Kerry Jones was seen before she disappeared.

Heavy police activity both in the air and in the water could be seen near the home since Thursday afternoon.

Action News Jax Crime and Safety Expert Ken Jefferson, a former Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office veteran, said the scale of the activity indicates this is not a normal missing person’s case.

JSO said Jones was last seen at the home February 7. Investigators combed the area all day searching for Kerry Jones, who is deaf.

“It gives the appearance this is more than the typical missing adult,” Jefferson said.

The police report says JSO does not suspect foul play, but Jefferson said that could change.

“You don’t deploy this many resources for a typical missing person,” Jefferson said.

The police report said Kerry Jones’ boyfriend, Jackie Nick Kelly, is the last person to see her. Kelly reported her missing two days after the two had an argument last week.

Her car, a Toyota with distinctive damage to the front and side, turned up at Kerry Jones’ job the day she disappeared.

Her son Aaron, who said he talked to his mom almost every day, told us by phone that his mom moved to Jacksonville from Alabama about six months ago to be with Kelly.

She did say that she found out he has does have a drinking problem,” Aaron Jones said.

This is interesting given that he does not mention in his FB post that he was drinking also, only that Kerry was "Very intoxicated"

Kelly was arrested for DUI in 2012, according to JSO records. Police say Kelly is not a suspect in Jones’ disappearance. Meanwhile, Aaron Jones said Kelly is currently in a psych ward following his girlfriend’s disappearance.

We know Kerry Jones and Kelly met on a dating side called farmersonly.com. Jefferson has this advice for anyone looking for a relationship online.

“They still have to use common sense, they’re dealing with people, and they could be dealing with criminals,” Jefferson said.

Right now, JSO will not say that a crime has been committed; just that they are investigating a missing person’s case.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/jso-combing-air-water-in-mandarin-in-search-for-missing-grandmother/93417998

Anonymous said...

I imagine being wrongly accused of something like that (what a horror that would be!), and here's what I think I would want to say:

"It's NOT TRUE! I have NEVER had sexual contact with her, or with ANY underage person!"

Weak or strong, that's probably what I'd say!

Anonymous said...


Her home ?,
the woods ?,
in your car, maybe ?

"that girl", shades of bill clinton, much ?

Anonymous said...

Where did you have sex with that girl?

tania cadogan said...

Denial: "I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

certainly is a qualifier, a word that when removed does not affect the meaning of the sentence.
A strong denial would be i did not have sex with that girl
Rather than strengthening his denial it weakens it.

sex
What is your definition of sex?
What question was asked to prompt this response?
If the interviewer asked "did you have sex with THAT girl/Name of girl?"
His answer would be repeating the question back to the interviewer making it unreliable.

"I certainly didn't have sex
What is your definition of sex?
Did you do something else with THAT girl that wasn't sex?
Did you touch THAT girl?
Was it over her clothes?
Where did you touch her?
Did you touch her under her clothes?
Where did you touch her?
What did you touch her with?
Did THAT girl touch you?
Did she touch you over your clothes?
Where did she touch you?
Did she touch you under your clothes?
Where did she touch you?
What did she touch you with?
How did the physical contact come about?
What were you doing that allowed physical contact to occur?

have sex with that girl
THIS is close, THAT is distancing.
For there to be a THAT, there has to be a THIS
Did you have sex with another girl?
Who was the sex with?
When did this happen
Did you have sex with anyone else?
Who was the sex with?
When did this happen?
Did you do something else that wasn't sex with the other person?
What did you do?
How did they react?
What did they do to you?
How did you react?
When did this happen
Why did this happen?
Did you touch THAT girl?
Was it over her clothes?
Where did you touch her?
Did you touch her under her clothes?
where did you touch her?
What did you touch her with?
How did THAT girl react?
Why did THAT girl react the way she did?
Did that girl touch you?
Did she touch you over your clothes?
Where did she touch you?
Did she touch you under your clothes?
What did she touch you with?
How did you react?
Why did you react the way you did?
How did the physical contact come about
What were you doing that allowed physical contact to occur?

tania cadogan said...


my home
Strong he takes ownership of where he lives.
However,it is location specific for his denial.

sex with that girl at my home
He limits the denial of sex with that girl to his home.
Home is more personal than house
What is your definition of home
Did you have sex with THAT girl somewhere else?
Did you do something else with that girl elsewhere, something other than sex?
Where else did you go with THAT girl?
Did you have sex with someone else at your home?
Did you do something else other than sex with THAT girl in your home?
Did you take THAT girl to your home at any time?
Why did you take her to your home?
Was anyone else in your home at the same time THAT girl was?
Who else was present in your home?
How did you initially meet THAT girl?

Why would she make such an allegation against you?

Tell me why you think a man would do something like that to an underage person?
Tell me what do you think could cause a man to do such an act on an underage person?

What do you believe should happen to someone who has sexual contact with someone underage?
What should be done if it is the persons first and only offense, a one off?
Should that person get a second chance?
Why?

What should be done to them if they accept their guilt and plead guilty immediately to spare the victim the trauma of testifying in a trial?
Should that person get a second chance?
Why?

What should be done to the person If they have committed more than one offense against the victim and they accept their guilt and plead guilty immediately to spare the victim the trauma of testifying in a trial??
Should that person get a second chance?
Why?

What should be done if the person denies guilt and forces the victim to testify in court and then changes their plea to guilty?
Should that person get a second chance?
Why?

What should be done to the person if there is more than one victim?
Should that person get a second chance?
Why?

What should be done if the person denies guilt and forces the victims to testify in court and then changes their plea to guilty?

What should be done to the person if they are a repeat offender?
Should that person get another chance?
Why?

What should be done to the person if they deny guilt, forcing their victims to testify and is then found guilty of all charges?
Why?

What could the man do to make things right?
Why?

Do you have anything else you wish to add to your statement?
Have you told me the truth?
Why should I believe you?

Anonymous said...


Yikes !

mom2many said...

"I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."

Certainly - inserted before denial weakens the statement
Sex - follow-up with obtaining subjects definition of sex (thanks Bill Clinton)
That girl - distancing, which girl specifically
At my home - additional info makes denial unreliable; did something take place at another location?

C5H11ONO said...

"I certainly didn't have sex with that girl at my home."
--"certainly" is unnecessary. He is trying to persuade. In fact he added between I and didn't "certainly" creating distance between the two most important words in the sentence.
--If he didn't "have sex" you would need to ask him if he touched her. What constitutes "sex" in his internal subjective dictionary.
--He distances himself from her "that"
--He refers to her as a girl. Is she a teenager? Is she 17? Is she 6? He addresses her as a girl.
--Does he know the person he is being accused of molesting? Why was he unable to use her name, further creating distance between the two.
--"At my home" What about somewhere else. Did he do something to her somewhere else?

Anonymous said...

my follow-up questions...
Please define "sex"
Where did you have sex with her?

Anonymous said...

"Certainly" is unnecessary. I think he certainly did it.

"Have sex" is not what he is accused of. I think he did something sexual.

"That" is distancing.

"Girl" is what she is to him, as opposed to child, which is nonsexual.

"At my home" likely means he did it somewhere else.

"My" - taking ownership.

Question: "What happened?", followed by persistent silence.

lynda said...

certainly...weakens statement making unreliable
that girl...distancing, when does she become "his daughter, the neighbor, etc.
my home...takes ownership with my, and home, making it personal/a safe place/as opposed to house. When does it become house? When he is molesting? Did he molest in the garage? Basement?

most important questions

Define sex
Define molesting

Lead into free editing with open ended question such as "Tell me what happened" or What happened on that day?

Anonymous said...

"I certainly DID," is more like it.
This one is really obvious. Or I'm just getting better at listening/analyzing.

Kathead said...

Extra words weaken a denial.
1st person, past tense verb use,event specific are the three components of a reluable denial. If any of the 3 are missing, it cannot be labeled reliable.

Kathead said...

Reliable denial*