Monday, March 14, 2016

Interview: DeOrr Parents

Of recent news...the private investigator stated what Statement Analysis had concluded:  the parents are deceptive regarding what happened to DeOrr jr, and that he is deceased. 
Although I indicated them for deception, it is my subjective opinion, from their language, that his death was not intended; only the coverup was. 

The parents have recently spoken to media:  


JM: For me, it's hard to even leave my house. To go, to get gas or ya know, to the grocery store.

Cuts quickly to Vernal. Again, do not know what the question was

DK: Ya get up in the morning hopeful, you go to bed (3 second pause) just..no more answers.

Cut again after some backstory from interviewer...cuts again to Vernal with no question asked

DK: Its, it's, so much easier to blame parents...

Cut to Sheriff Bowerman saying he knows they know what happened.
Cut to Vernal...no question asked

DK: People have pretty much laid my son to rest already..

Note the reference to "people" is not a quote.  The language used, although said to be from "people"; employs the following:
"laid my son to rest" which may be an embedded admission that this is what he had done after his "son" (non-child abuse) died.  This is another indication that the death may not have been intended.  I do not believe, from earlier interview, that the child was regularly abused by the parents, furthering that he died via an accident, or even a moment of negligence, causing the parents to cover up the death, using the vehicle (truck) to bury him or hide the remains. If the remains were put in moving water, they would truthfully be able to say that they do not know where he is buried, or even where he is.  
There is no denial that he is laid to rest "already."

JM: People just coming up to us in general, in the public, telling us that they know we're gonna go to hell for what we did to our son, and how could we...CUT TO VERNAL


Note the plural here, of "us", "us", "we did to our son" also uses the word "son."
Different than the above, here, people are "telling us", which is quoting. 
Where one quotes another, we often hear a rebuttal from truthful innocent people such as,
"People say we killed him but we didn't..."
DK: If yer so damn positive we'd like to talk to ya, and so's the, infes...law enforcement, and FBI then if yer so positive.


this is the angry challenge that is not expected of innocent parents fearful that someone has their son, currently, as originally claimed.  The innocent care less for what people say, and more about what the child is currently experiencing at the hands of the kidnappers. 
Is he well fed?
Is he sleeping?
Do they give him his special blankie?

The parents have spoken at length in high favor of searchers in law enforcement who failed to find the child. 

They did not speak about what the child was going through.  Like other guilty parents who know the child is dead; it does not occur to them that they should be worried about the child's daily needs.  They do not worry because they know the child has no needs.  
FIRST QUESTION

REporter: Phillip Klein says you confessed to knowing where baby Deorr is, and that you won't go any further than that. Is that true?

JM: Absolutely not. No.


It is a yes or no question to which, before saying "no" he brings in 'additional forces' of "Absolute" and "not" before using "no."  This is a need for emphasis and is Unreliable.  
Reporter: So I have to ask you, did you murder your son?

DK: Absolutely not.


First, he should not have been asked did you "murder" your son.  I do not think police have accused him of such.  
Next, "absolute" is again added, yet the answer does not get the emphasis of "absolutely not, no" that the above just did. This puts a difference between the two questions.  
JM: No.

REporter: Was there an accident? 

JM & DK simultaneously: No.


This is a straight answer:  "No" yet, he then allows for the "no" to be immediately questioned:  
DK: If there was, it wasn't to my knowledge.


He allows for an accident, but only removes himself from the knowledge of such.  This will make readers wonder if JM was supposed to be watching him when the accident occurred.  He has only denied for himself, in essence, letting Jessica answer it for herself: 
JM: Exactly. We have no knowledge of that, if there was.


Note:  "Exactly" is to confirm, with exact knowledge, what was just said:  that if an accident happened, it happened without the knowledge of the father.  She confirms this. 
Then, she gives additional information.  Here, it is her turn to say, "if it happened, it happened without my knowledge", instead, she uses the weaker, "we", while still allowing for the possibility. 

This would further support that she may bear more responsibility for an accident than he did, even though he was the one who likely drove with the child in the truck.  

Why would she have more burden than he?  
Did she lose sight of him?  Or...

was it someone in HER family that was negligent, rather than in his family?

There is a split in the language with the emphasis more upon her, regarding knowledge of an accident.  This leads to:

What was father doing when it happened? Was he off doing something he should not have been doing?  Drugs?  Alcohol?

What was mother doing when it happened?
To whom was he left in care of?  By which parent's authority was he left with?

This appears more like blame shifting, one to the other:  
Reporter: You're saying you have nothing to do with his disappearance?


Leading question.  Poor interview quality.  
DK: No. 
JM: No.


Even here, the father is not comfortable with the answer, "no" but adds:  
DK: He was left with a trusted adult and when I come back, my son was gone.


Note he avoids saying who the "trusted adult" was but consider this:
Not only is the name of the adult withheld, but an unnecessary additional word is used which gives us more information:

a "trusted adult." It is similar to the word "normal" here.  What did the father know about this adult that caused the need to add in that he was "trusted"?  This signals some guilty knowledge that says:  'I want the audience to think that this cannot be my fault because the adult is not trustworthy so I better use another word to get me off the hook, so I will call him a 'trusted' adult.'

He knows that the adult of whom the child was left with was not reliable.  

It also makes me wonder:  

Have they ever left him with an untrustworthy adult?
Has there ever been CPS involvement?  
In civil or legal language, an adult without a violent past or drug/alcohol recorded problem could be a 'trusted' adult.  
Reporter: Does it worry you with these things that have come out..Klein, and uh, people are gonna stop looking?


Reporter has no imagination on how to not lead them to conclusions.  
JM: Yeah. Um, I feel like that's been the case for months now. I feel like they've already made up their minds, "Oh he is deceased" or whatever they think and people went, "Oh, ok, well whatever. And emmm...


The information from the PI just came out.   Note that "for months now" tells us that there was some verification of what the PI claimed, months ago.  It is likely that the police have information from Jessica and have had it for "months" that caused them to conclude the child is deceased. 
The reporter was only asking 'since' (time) the PI went public, but Jessica went back much further.  This is to affirm some of what the PI reported.  
JM: They coulda walked past him


This must be carefully analyzed by police in correlation to other statements they made.  It is very likely leakage.  Even if in moving water, this statement could be true.  
Vernal Is talking over Jessica's statement above so there is simultaneous talking

DK:: They were able to put things to rest that way."


the father has consistently used language that reveals his knowledge of his son's death.  This is no different.  "put things to rest" is the language of death.  See above.  See prior analysis.  
JM: Yeah, and they, they coulda walked past him. Somebody could've easily walked past him at a store.


The word "store" enters the language here and is important.  Was the child in the car seat, appearing 'asleep' when the father drove him to his final destination?
DK: And thanks to the politics of this, in your mind, you've already put this, he's, you put it behind ya. It's closed in your mind. He's not home. We have no more answers than we did July 10th.


He calls the accusation of the PI "politics" which is to say:  'change of topic.'

The change of topic is used when one does not wish to answer the sensitive allegation.  Note the use of second person distancing language.  This is not coming from truth.  
Cut to Jessica, no question asked

JM: If somebody has him I want them to know that we're not going to give up and we'll find him and doesn't matter what you do as a parents, we will find him.


Please take note of the hopelessness of the words.  It is only "if" somebody has him, which the mother allows for him to be dead, given his age and that he was incapable of self care.  Again, as from the very beginning, a biological mother of a toddler expresses not a single thought of what the child might be experiencing.  
"If":  she does not believe her own words.  
It "doesn't matter" because he is dead. 
"What you as parents do", is not "what I as a mother" or "we as his parents"
Note the distance of not using his name.  
DK: Till the day I die, I, till the day we die, I will, I will find him. I refuse to leave this earth not knowing where he is and what happened at least. At least knowing that he's ok.


He lets us know that the searching will never be successful because he expresses such confidence that until the day he dies, and the day Jessica dies, too, the searching will still continue. 

Since the topic was someone having him, notice that there is still no natural, plain parental care about what the child would be experiencing "if" someone has him. 

No, "please treat him right" or "please take him to a doctor", nor anything. 

Analysis Conclusion

The parents of DeOrr jr know that he is dead.  They have this knowledge and even in such a poorly worded interview, they still reveal:

No care for the child;
Distancing language from him; avoiding his name;
A desire to blame others;
A desire to avoid issuing a denial;
Acknowledgement that an accident may have happened; yet only wishing not to be blamed for it. 

DeOrr jr. is dead and the parents have guilty knowledge over what happened to him and intend to continue, for now at least, to withhold information from the police on where his remains could be recovered.  



69 comments:

Jen Ow said...

Thanks for this analysis!

LisaB said...

Thanks for getting to this statement so quickly!

lynda said...

Thank you Peter!I've been hoping you would start on this. I have never heard such a poor interviewer which you will see if you choose to analyze the long version.That was 10 min. long but the reporter was truly awful. There was so much more that could have been asked. The long interview, even with my pea sized knowledge of SA,has red flags all over the place and I believe they are leaking all over the place. IN the long interview, which i did transcribe, jessica says 'Walk right by him 4 different times and dad says it once. IT was almost like she was compulsively saying it!

The "Trusted adult" In this interview becomes "THE trusted and respected adult" in the long version.

PEter...do you think this couple will ever admit to what happened? Do you see signs of "Cracking" and bringing this to a close?

Unknown said...

Has anyone seen the "shaken baby syndrome" stuff that Jessica posted on Facebook in January? And.....who surfs around on Facebook when they don't know where their child is. Its deleted now but wasn't until February.

Anonymous said...

I Was really hoping the parents, did not harm their child. But in the last month I have changed my Mind about it. Now with this, I do believe they did , I really hope people keep their eyes peeled for anything ,while they are camping anywhere, where he might be found, This Baby needs a proper Christian Burial, Im sure the people of Idaho would step up ,and do it, Poor Child

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Anonymous said...

Does anyone feel that the comment "walk right by him" is leakage for the searchers having been very close to where Deorr's body is hidden or buried. Perhaps he is within the vicinity of the campsite, or at least within the radius that searchers initially looked.

One that that struck me about the interview was when the interviewer asked the question about murdering Deorr. It appeared to me that the question was directed toward JM, yet VDK jumped in very quickly to answer for her (or instead of her). I know in past interviews he did most of the speaking, but in this case it makes me think that JM is responsible for Deorr's death--at least indirectly, and VKD is protecting her. Although later in the interview he seems to acknowledge that it is possible an accident occurred, but just not to his knowledge, suggesting that maybe JM would know about an accident. In this part of the interview he seems to 'throw her under the bus'.

lynda said...

I See your point Laura..

Anon @ 9:59

That's exactly what I think also. IN the long interview she says it 4 times! I have no doubt that people walked right by him. MY theory has always been that they buried him underneath a rock. It would be a marker of where he is buried, escape notice because the digging is covered, and thermography would also not pick it up to my knowledge. Dad just can't help himself..he had to add "if there was an accident, I (NOT WE) don't have knowledge of it. Then he throws JEss under the bus. Later, he was left with a trusted and respected adult, that throws grandpa under the bus because Isaac was not known to them, so he would not be trusted or respected. But why would they cover it up if grandpa was responsible? They wouldn't, they know, they know where he's at and this is just horrifying.

Anonymous said...

VDK: Everybody sits and pla, everybody sit and thinks.."

Everybody: is hyperbole. Who is everybody? I assume he means the vast majority of people who do not believe his story. He does not include himself or JM when he says "everybody".

Sits: body position noted as indicating sensitivity. Sits also implies doing nothing, being lazy or ineffectual, being comfortable. Eg.dont just sit there, do something; sitting on your hands, sit tight, sitting pretty etc.

Pla: My guess is that VDK was going to say "plays" as in "everybody sits and plays detective/Sherlock/Colombo.

I'm not sure why he self edited "plays" to "thinks". Maybe his brain and tongue recoiled from the word that was to follow "plays"; ie
DETECTIVE.

Thanks for the new post, Peter.

Why he changed

Anonymous said...

I posted this elsewhere but here it is again.

Lynda,

Thank you for transcribing DK and JMs interview.

I thought I heard JM say " it doesn't matter what you do to his appearance". ...but you have "doesn't matter what you do as a parents".

The "sin" thing is interesting. I think he was saying, or starting to say "in my s[elf]... But changed it to "in my mind" so it sounds like "in my s......in my mind."

Either way, you deserve a medal for transcribing.

PS. IIRC Last year you suggested little DeOrr might have been murdered for life insurance, a la DiPietreo. Did you ever find out if there was a life insurance policy on little DeOrr?

Anonymous said...

I think little DeOrr was killed long before the 9-10th July 2015, possibly on a camping trip, (hence the cadaverine on some camping equipment). I wonder if DK got a tattoo to commemorate the occasion -remember Casey Anthony? - and THAT is why we only ever see him in long sleeves.

lynda said...

Anon: I SEE your point about the wording...it is tough, especially with the way he stammers, stutters, says half words, etc.

The "sits and pla" I thought he was meaning play also and self-edited. Why I found that interesting was because in the long transcript he also says something about sit and behave that was out of context when talking about baby. IT made me wonder, did something happen to deorr when he was supposed to be behaving, sitting and playing? Was that the moment when something happened? I WIll have to go back and get exact quote.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Anonymous @ 11:43 PM March 14, 2016

You make an interesting point! Perhaps he got a memorial tattoo of some sort; hence the long sleeve sweat jacket during the mid-day Idaho July sun. This is terrible to say, but I tend to associate constant long-sleeved clothing with hiding needle marks or cutting. Although, certain medical conditions or use of blood thinners like Coumadin can adversely affect a person's circulation, making them prone to feeling cold. I really can't see DeOrr celebrating like Casey Anthony.

During certain key phrases in this last interview, Daddy DeOrr actually appears devastated (specifically, "I, I, the last time I heard my son's voice and seen him..." and "He can't do wrong in either of our eyes...especially me."). He is clearly grieving. It must be very hard living with the lies and denial, all the while knowing the truth and grieving, unable to really express it. I believe DeOrr loved little DeOrr very much and wanted to be a good father and feels that as a father and a man, he has failed little DeOrr. Like Peter, I don't believe whatever happened was intentional. I believe that his/her/their fear of being prosecuted is ruling them and he, at least, is struggling to suppress the truth. I'm not getting the same sense of loss and internal struggle from Jessica though.

DeOrr can play the typical tough-talking country redneck, but deep down he can't hide from himself. They may "win" in the sense that they might get away with this, but once the immediate need for self-preservation is gone, I think DeOrr is going to really have trouble with this long term. Little DeOrr was the spitting image of his daddy and that's going to haunt him the rest of his life if he doesn't come clean- there's a reason confession is good for the soul. Whatever happened, he can't take it back or undo it. But he can honor his son now and be the man I think he wants to be, by speaking the truth and giving his son an honorable burial in a cemetery where those who loved him and have come to love him can honor him and openly grieve their loss together...and find healing and peace. JMHO

Anonymous said...

I was struck by the amount of times that both JM and VDK used the word 'search' (expected) in rapid succession, but more-so with repetition of the word 'there.' Is anyone aware of the latter being a marker of sensitivity?

"We were there"
"You go there"
"There's a hole there"
"Did I search right there"
"We, as his parents, couldn't leave there, thinking, 'Did we search right there?'"
"He's not there"
"We can't leave there until we search more"

The above were all spoken by JM within the first two minutes of the interview. Some of those quotes are consecutive within her dialogue and are not the only examples.

From a young age, I've been struck by the lack of concern expressed by some parents (many of whom were later found to be complicit) for allegedly missing/abducted children -- this instinctive 'red flag' sparked some of my earliest interest in analyzing or profiling criminals. The basic childhood needs of food, water, shelter, clothing and nurturing or protection should take a natural precedence when addressing would-be kidnappers or rescuers.

foodiefoodnerd said...

If DeOrr is intentionally hiding something under long sleeves I would wonder about track marks from heavy drug use before an incriminating tattoo commemorating a tragedy he's lied about and covered up since it happened.

It would also explain his disjointed speech and affect, as well as supporting parental negligence and its coverup.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Whoops, FFOF beat me to it on the potential needle marks.

Both seem like they loved their little boy, but DeOrr, Sr's tears are just now, nearly a year later when he and JM feel authorities closing in on the truth.

That is too much like the suspects who sit stoically throughout their trial even while graphic evidence is presented, then suddenly get weepy with "remorse" during the sentencing.

These parents' tears are more for themselves and what they might be facing, not for their son and what he endured in their care, just like all of the concern they've expressed has been for themselves, not him.

tania cadogan said...

The posts here got me to thinking, thanks folks.

We were told that the mom had to go to the store to by female items, i wonder if this was used to explain why, if any blood had been found?

lynda said...

From the long interview...Peter has not analyzed that yet but here are some points that call to me..

.or would be tra, double, triple checked and ya know, everybody sits and plays, er, sits and thinks,
^^^^^^^^^^^^
sits and plays? Was Deorr sitting and playing when something happened to him?


DK: "You don't just have a 2, almost 3 year old go camping and he doesn't lose a shoe, doesn't behave, things out of his pockets, Nothin'! Nothing."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Doesn't behave?" What does that mean? Is that leakage? The phrase doesn't even make sense in this context.It is such a bizarre wording in the middle of him listing there are no signs of Deorr anywhere. Did something happen to Deorr because he wasn't behaving?



I would never hurt my son. Would never do anything to my son.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Use of the word NEVER, does that weaken statement? HE then drops the pronoun from the next sentence. 'WOUld," instead of "I would". So he has done SOMETHING to his son, correct?

Rachael said...

Reporter: You're saying you have nothing to do with his disappearance?

DK: No.
JM: No.

How could the follow up question not have been along the lines of 'Then you're saying you have SOMETHING to do with his disappearance?'

lynda said...

Racheal..someone up thread mentioned the same thing.

Another thing noted in long interview. Both parents go back and forth between tenses. I Believe that is a signal of deception and guilty knowledge also.

I Just would like to know based on the long interview if one or the other is close to admitting what happened. They are both living under the eye of LE has suspects. It's widely known that they failed all their polys and have not told the same story twice in a row. Is this why LE finally said something? To put the pressure on? INCLuding public pressure?

C5H11ONO said...

JM: Yeah, and they, they coulda walked past him. Somebody could've easily walked past him at a store.

--It seems that she added "at a store" because she caught herself saying the "walked past him" on more than one occasion (3 times to be exact!). It seems like she realized she had called attention to her statement, then added "at a store" to reduce or eliminate any suspicious questions.
It's like she's leaving clues behind.

Anonymous said...

JM: "Yeah, and they, they coulda walked past him. Somebody could've easily walked past him (at a store.")

Note she uses the indefinite article (a) this is not to say which store but (a) store.

The interviewer missed this.

I would've asked what "store"?

Anonymous said...

Does she want people to assume it is the "store" where she went for her "person" items?

MzOpinion8d said...

So VDK is once again pushing the idea that DeOrr was almost 3.

He was born Dec 30, 2012. He disappeared July wo, 2015. He was 2 years, 6 months, and 12 days old. That's 2 1/2 in my world.

And when a kid is that young, 6 months makes a huge difference, in their appearance, their vocabulary, their abilities, their motor skills, etc.

Why is VDK so insistent on calling him 3? Yet when they put out the first missi floater they used a pic of him when he was about 18 mo old??

Peter Hyatt said...

I know that a number of you are waiting for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton analysis articles. I have written about both before and they share the qualities of pathological liars between them, with one being a bit more clever at concealing his ruthlessness than the other but both are pathological liars.

Hillary, due to prominence, has gotten regular reference, while Trump was someone I addressed many years ago. I did not think he would be considered a serious candidate, however, I underestimated the power of anger in America.

A sad article worth your consideration:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/03/15/draft-n2133589?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall

GeekRad said...

No need to analyze their statements, they are blatant enough.
I don't think anyone, not even Trump, understood the level of anger in this country.

Anonymous said...

If VDK and JM are sticking to their lies about Little DeOrr being with them inLeadore, perhaps the "walked past him in a store" statement was a not-so-subtle jab at the Stage Stop ladies and customers for failing to notice little DeOrr.

It is also very possibly leakage. SAR, LE and volunteers might indeed have walked right past him. Imagine how frustrating it would be for DK and JM, who know where the body is, but don't want to be the ones who "find" him to have people "walking past" him. that could be why they continually assert that they are (we should be) searching the same places 2 or 3 times, rechecking places already searched.

DK continually insisting DeOrr was "2 almost 3" bugs the hell out of me, too. Another poster suggested it was to make the baby seem older (able to decide to stay with GGP, able to walk back to GGP) and themselves less culpable.

Maybe liars just really like the number three.

Anonymous said...

I wish I posted yesterday that Davey Blackburn had posted a statement on Instagram because I just went back to take a second look, and it's gone.

It referenced them (no ownership) missing his wife, but instead used "@amandablackburn". He was talking about all the great songs they would get from personal experiences

Anonymous said...

Oh , it's still there. Along with the hashtag nothingiswasted. I would link to it, but I don't know how.

Anonymous said...

Apparently he is in a band

Anonymous said...

Off topic: Video interview of Elvis family after murder charges against Moorer's dismissed

http://wpde.com/news/local/family-of-heather-elvis-speaking-out-after-murder-charges-dismissed-against-suspects

Morgan speaks quite a bit in the interview.

Carnival Barker said...


Anonymous said...
Apparently he is in a band
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I guess that explains why he hasn't missed a beat since his wife was murdered.

Anonymous said...

That was good, Carnival Barker. Badum dum.
I expect to see that in my next Cracker Jack's box.

Anonymous said...

I read here every day, just waiting for db to screw up.

Anonymous said...

If JM and VDK's attorney Browning had anything to do with suggesting this public interview in rebuttal to PI Klein's latest statement and findings, Browning must be pulling his hair out dealing with damage control right about now.

lynda said...

Carnival Barker said...

Anonymous said...
Apparently he is in a band
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I guess that explains why he hasn't missed a beat since his wife was murdered

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good one, Carnival Barker. DB reminds me quite a bit of daddy deorr. Fast talking, stuttering, mid-sentence changing, hyperactive LIARS. Davey gets away with it a lot cuz he's got Jesus behind him. They both sicken me.



Anonymous Anonymous said...
If JM and VDK's attorney Browning had anything to do with suggesting this public interview in rebuttal to PI Klein's latest statement and findings, Browning must be pulling his hair out dealing with damage control right about now.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you read the press release that Browning sent out you will see that he is unstable at best. Lunatic at worst. The guy is a nut job.

lynda said...

I'm bringing the extended interview transcript over here so people don't have to go back and forth and this blog is in reference to the short interview...

EXTENDED INTERVIEW with Jessica and Deorr...transcript following..

No question..picks up with Jessica

JM: He's just the happiest kid that you'll ever meet. Always did goofy stuff, the, y'know, if I was upset and he saw that I was upset, or irritated about something, he would walk in, "Mama?" and he'd just give me a look or do something goofy just to make me smile. He ah, always had a car in his hand. Always. It didn't matter where he was going. He was going to the bathroom? It was going with him...

DK: Making car noises as he goes.

JM: Yep.

Reporter: Talk about the search

JM: Personally, I feel like we were up there 1000 more times then the police were. We, we were, there weeks on end. You know, sometimes, or every weekend. We...were....on the ground, like moving stuff around, were, I was on the creek. I was, you know, crawling thru tree trunks that were laid down on the ground like (4 second pause) you go there thinking wh,where could he have wandered, like if he wandered off, where, where would he have gone, where would he have laid down, where, there's a hole there. Could he have fallen into it? YOu know, you start kinda going crazy on did I search right there, did I search right there, and we, as his parents, couldn't leave there thinking, Did we search right there?
And like, we would have to stop and just go and search that section of the area and just say Okay, for our piece of mind, we didn't check it, he's not there. And we did that the minute that the minute we left, we were like, we have to go back. WE, we, can't leave there until we search more. So..it was kind of like, in a way, our second home. All summer. Because that's the last place that we saw him, we didn't want to leave without leaving with him

lynda said...

Continued...

Voice of Vernal...No question asked
DK: Alot of searches, alot of good people came and helped. Trespassing? I don't care. It's your land, I'll be respectfulbut I don't care. My son is missing, anything I thought would...didn't get checked enough...or would be tra, double, triple checked and ya know, everybody sits and plays, er, sits and thinks, well they were trying, were they trying to direct anybody from any certain direction? No, pretty any direction we can get anybody in is where we went. And for, we had, law enforcement with us pretty much all the time and it's because they know more a that area than I do. I am, I am not an outdoorsman wer, for, per se. I don't know enough of that so luckily, we always had, I mean I always had a some, some kind of a law enforcement with me. Um, or somebody who knew who, what they,what they were looking at, what they were doing. But the search effort still...to this day haven't found anything. And that's what bothers me so much. It's not wa, one little thing as been found that says my son is still up there. That's why I don't believe my son is up there. You don't just have a 2, almost 3 year old go camping and he doesn't lose a shoe, doesn't behave, things out of his pockets, Nothin'! Nothing.
REporter: That leads me to my next question, the both of you throughout this investigation you've both cooperated with the FBI..

DK: 100% Anything they needed, at their beck and call,I, mmph, I'm a truck driver. I've worked my schedule however they needed it,um, I've done anything and everything they ever needed, and they, they have said that and it's because I have. We have. Anything they needed we've been 100% cooperative because it doesn't do our son any good to not be.

REporter: I mean you've been there alot, you've worked with them alot..

JM: Yeah..um, anytime they would call me, it didn't matter if it was 1/2 an hour before I had to go to work. I called my boss said there is something I have to take care of and went. It didn't matter, you know, my job didn't matter at the time. It's my son, that they have something that they found or they figured out I'm gonna be there. So I've been 100% cooperative with them anytime they've called or needed anything from us, we have cooperated.

Reporter: Despite all the horrible things people are doing and people are saying, how do you guys keep going thru, I mean how , how do you survive?

JM: We still, our, our, son is still missing. I don't care how people feel about me, I don't care what they think happened, he is still missing. And we still have no new information or evidence or anything like that, that shows us anything. So, an, we're not gonna stop searching for him and fighting for him until we know what happened.

Reporter: Does it worry you with these things that have come out..Klein, and uh, people are gonna stop looking?

JM: Yeah. Um, I feel like that's been the case for months now. I feel like they've already made up their minds, "Oh he is deceased" or whatever they think and people went, "Oh, ok, well whatever. And emmm...

JM: They coulda walked past him

Vernal Is talking over Jessica's statement above so there is simultaneous talking

DK:: They were able to put things to rest that way."

JM: Yeah, and they, they coulda walked past him. Somebody could've easily walked past him at a store or something..

DK: (Interrupts JM) That's a...

JM: and didn't even realize (DK can be heard saying, "Im sorry sweetie) and this is whats so frustrating because, anywhere I go, I go to Walmart, I go anywhere, and I'm, m, looking. I hear little kid voices or anything, I am like crazy mom status. Like, you know, following people around making sure it's not him. Just because I can't give up on him

lynda said...


Continued....

DK: I don't know what happened to my son other than I left him with a trusted and respected adult, we come back and he's gone a short time later and he's, he's gone. An I, I, I have the last time I hear, I heard my sons voice and seen him, that's where I'm at in my sin?, in my mind. And that mi, memory's getting pretty faded, I'd like some new ones with my son. And I'm going to keep hoping and going on that I'm going to get my new memories and keep my memories going with him. Cuz I want, I have so many things in life I wanna do with my son. Teach him. To show him. And I'm not giving up on that, that I'm going to be able to do that.

Reporter: Both have you have said something pretty strong about all these people that claim to know what happened.

DK: Oh you get it all, we, I'm positive, 100% positive, that we know that you had, you had something to do with it. If yer so damn positive we'd like to talk to ya, and so's the, infes...law enforcement, and FBI then if yer so positive. If you believe in everything you hear on social media, time to do a life change I'd say for you.



Reporter: And so what do you want the public to know?

JM: He's still missing. We can't give up on him. THere's no evidence to say that he is deceased, and if he is, where is he? We still need that. IF that's the case we still need that closure. We still need to know what happened to him. But people need to keep their eyes out cuz you never know. you could walk past him in a store and not even realize it. How will you know if you're not keeping your eyes out?

DK: Just..don't give up the hope. There's just as much as says that he is still with us, that he's, that he is just taken. And i've refused to believe anything other than that. He, he's, he's just an amazing little boy. Please, just keep your eyes out for him. He's, he can't do wrong in either of our eyes, especially me. And I just want him home. And I'm going to continue believing that and hoping that I will get my son back. So just please, throughout all the politics, just remember there is a little boy, my little boy, that is missing. That is...not home. And he could, you could very well, like she, like,like Jessica said, walk right on by him and thanks to the politics of this, in your mind you've already put this, he's, you put it behind you. It's closed in your mind. He's not home. We have no more answers than we did July 10th. So please keep your eyes open still, as much as you, as much as the public may hate us, for something we would never do or even, I would never hurt my son. Would never do anything to my son. Keep your eyes open for him for, just please, keep your eyes open.

Cut/spliced ...do not know question asked.

DK: All, all the time we were seeing on fu, on social media and everything, well, theres, money this, money that, and no. I, I work, everyday. Every day. Um, I just want, it's nice to know that people out there don't , don't think the worst of us and think the best, that are, and do, think like we do. Hopeful. That my son, he's coming home. I, I've still bought him Christmas presents, I still bought him birthday presents, I, there just waiting for him to come home. He still, I buy, when I go grocery shopping, he still gets his, his favorite treat. Everytime. It's, is, things you don't think of. I mean, I walked over to a, a, um, like a taco truck? And picked up a little thing of ke, chicken nuggets. And I ain't thinking about it, Just started walking back with them going, wh what am I doing with these? You do it still. It's, it's normal.

JM: We love you and we will see you and we're not going to give up. WE just hope you're okay.

DK: Daddy loves you son, and I'm not giving up hope

Anonymous said...

@ Lynda,

My comment re: Browning was tongue in cheek. I've been following this case.

lynda said...


JM: He's just the happiest kid that you'll ever meet. Always did goofy stuff, the, y'know, if I was upset and he saw that I was upset, or irritated about something, he would walk in, "Mama?" and he'd just give me a look or do something goofy just to make me smile. He ah, always had a car in his hand. Always. It didn't matter where he was going. He was going to the bathroom? It was going with him..

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is just chilling...She starts off in present tense and then the rest of the statement is in past tense. First sentence, present tense "He's just the happiest kid you'll ever meet" Second sentence, "Always DID goofy stuff". She also dropped a pronoun. I'm unsure what it mean when the pronoun dropped is HE or SHE. She should have said, "HE'S always doing goofy stuff"

Can someone help me with the meaning of the dropped pronoun being someone other than the speaker? HE?

Bayou belle said...

Little Deorr is 2 years 6 months but dad keeps saying he's 3......the liars number ����poor little Deorr may he rest in peace

Bobcat said...

This is OT but since Peter brought it up...

In 2003/2004, I watched The Apprentice (with my temporarily charter schooled children - now college students) as a supplement to education. Every episode, Donald introduced a new business principle to the audience. Every episode ended with a "Boardroom Meeting" and someone was "Fired". As a businessman, Donald is a formidable negotiator and exacting with his craftsmen. He would start each day visiting worksites and talking (professionally and directly) to construction laborers, making sure they were going to do a "great" job for him.

I'm not angry at all, but I understand the horror of the Washington establishment at the thought of Donald as President. When he talks about all the bad "deals" that have been made by the leaders in charge of wasting our tax dollars like drunken sailors, he is what the country needs to put an end (or at least a huge slowdown) to it. He's the only candidate with big enough cojones to scare all the other weenies in Washington into shaping up our country.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat,
You are probably right about Trump. I fear he won't get elected because he's alienated so many people. That leaves us with Hiillary.

Anonymous said...

I saw it too... while I still like to believe that the parents are innocent (I have to believe that, I can't imagine otherwise), seeing that on her page struck me as odd. Maybe a sign of guilt? Maybe trying to find comfort in a community of people who have suffered similar loss? Like I said, I hope and pray that the parents are innocent, for the sake of their other children... Yet, as much as I would like to believe their innocence, posts like that just throw up little warning flags

Anonymous said...

If anyone watches Elvis family interview I posted above, please say what you think of degradation of victim by sister augmented by explanations for why people should care about Heather (why wouldnt people care?); also, please note the "Im sorrys" from Terry. Also, note how atypical the mother saying it may be "the hand of God" which dismissed murder charges so that they dont have to listen to things theyd rather not hear in court...note how different this is than Desiree Korman or Ronald Goldman's family who pursued the known perpetrator relentlessly through legal avenues.

Anonymous said...

The bulls■it has to stop. Their baby is dead. They know it, we know it, the only thing WE don't know is WHERE he is - THEY KNOW. They need to use whatever ounce of decency they have left and take the police to their son's remains and then he can be buried with respect. He may have died accidentally, but at this point it's getting harder to believe everyday he is left to decompose in some shallow grave. For God's sake! His parents need to stop lying and bring him HOME.

Anonymous said...

You know all the talk about Trumpsters being "angry"? I think that's a crock. The people voting for Trump LOVE him because he's stupid; they're not ANGRY, they're just stupid, like him. Stupid people have found their stupid leader. The "angry" part is ridiculous because angry people don't vote for someone THAT STUPID. The really angry people are those who have to deal with the fact that real change in this country is impossible under Trump or Clinton.

Anonymous said...

That's what matters the most right now - giving the baby a proper burial. Justice will come, but right NOW the baby needs to be found. The very least he deserves is respect; leaving him to decompose while they lie and play games with investigators...it's sickening on a level that makes me so furious. How dare they.

Anonymous said...

Facebook?! WTf. Life goes on, eh? For them. Not for their baby though. He's still out there somewhere, dead. I hope his parents go to prison for the rest of their life.

lynda said...

DK & JM have not one oz. of decency left. That's the problem.

highmyope1955 said...

Was the "shaken baby stuff" that Jessica posted about Dr Waney Squier, the English paediatric neuropathologist?

trustmeigetit said...

Well said!

trustmeigetit said...

I would have thought they had good evidence in order to even hold the Moorers as long as they did.


It seems like the may not be the case.

I fear this will be another case where a murder goes unsolved.

Sad..

Anonymous said...

Trustmeigetit,

As much as I dont particularly like the sister, Morgan's demeanor in the interview, I wonder if she is trying to leak something out about Terry when she says that Heather would always try to be "strong" when Terry would get upset with her but would then go cry. It seems such an odd piece of information to state in the interview.

Lis said...

As soon as I read this:

DK: People have pretty much laid my son to rest already.

I knew.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Quoting lynda:
"Can someone help me with the meaning of the dropped pronoun being someone other than the speaker? HE?"
~~~~

Lynda, this is only speculation, but it reads like she's trying to avoid over-repeating "he" every sentence; yet still can't bring herself to say her dead son's name.

It makes me wonder if she is terrified that if she speaks little DeOrr's name aloud, every ugly, horrific detail of what happened will come gushing out.

Not out of remorse or any sense of responsibility, but she feels them closing in on her and the truth.

Lis, you are spit on! He has so many of those embedded confessions among his stumbling and self-editing it's hard to keep track.

But I knew for certain that he was in trouble as soon as I read his worry about being in trouble upon supposedly discovering little DeOrr missing.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Whoops, Lis, that should read spot on, not spit on!! No offense or bodily fluids attacks intended whatsoever!

Karl said...

Peter has mentioned in this and previous articles that the interviewer sometimes asks leading questions instead of open ended questions, thus giving the subject a way not to be deceptive.

For the current story, is it possible that the interviewer was already familiar with everything the parents have said, and reached the conclusion that they were being deceptive, but couldn't stand to hear any more lies? I understand that early on in an investigation an interviewer would want to get as much information as possible from a person of interest. But the interviewer may have the hope that the parents are not guilty in any way and wants to hear them say something, anything, related to the case that might have an element of truth in it.

Overall it seemed like a pretty soft interview.

Chrisabella7 said...

I guess what I am confused about is if the death was possibly an accident, why the lack of concern and emotion? Are they happy the accident happened? If they loved him and his death was not caused by murder, (especially) the mothers behavior does not make sense.

Anonymous said...

I have... then someone brought it up in a post then he account was deleted... but she has a fake account..

Nanaof4 said...

Karl,

I suspect the interviewer was either just not experienced in interviewing or purposefully led the subjects to answers.

It would not surprise me if the questions were written by their lawyer or by them. Usually, a defense attorney will tell their client to not talk at all.

After I read the letter the lawyer allegedly sent to the PI, I question if he is a divorce lawyer, estate lawyer, etc. and not a defense attorney. I think his letter came off as a little too emotional.

And yes, for analysis, I did change from lawyer to attorney. To me, a lawyer tells you what the law says and guides you through the red tape. An attorney (defense) uses the law to get an outcome that he/she is paid to get.

This interview was much ado about nothing. The parents were spoon fed their answers (and yet they still managed not to offer a reliable denial or offer anything that would remotely explain their odd behavior).

Unknown said...

"That is where I am at in my sin" stood out the most to me!

Unknown said...

"That is where I am at in my sin" stood out the most to me!

Anonymous said...

She was sharing posts from a shaking baby page and children Angel pages withing the first two weeks of him missing. I found it very disturbing. One she said he was abducted so I'm not sure why she would be looking at pages of children dying. Her son was missing for two weeks the grief is fresh and she spent time in fb looking at sites of children dying. That is absurd.

Anonymous said...

Because it wasn't a grammar lesson.

Anonymous said...


To put in context:

Reporter: You're saying you have nothing to do with his disappearance?

DK: No.
JM: No.

How could the follow up question not have been along the lines of 'Then you're saying you have SOMETHING to do with his disappearance?'


Because it wasn't a grammar lesson.

Anonymous said...

He's a personal injury/criminal defense attorney. Check out his website and Facebook page. For such a high profile case where the parents would need the best they could find, why hire a guy like this? He deals in small town courts and this is an international story

DJ JD said...

Jessica was a direct care professional, they share shaken baby stuff, along with autism, and down syndrome everyone that worked for Idaho Falls Group Homes. I know this because I have worked with some of the other females that was sending it out.