Monday, April 18, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder: "Listening" To The Victim's Husband


A profiler, in commenting on the analysis, wrote that the analysis was not correct due to the narcissistic psychopathy of one who uses "we" and "us" because he is delusional and thinks he and God are one. 

Was she correct?   

I contend that pronouns are instinctive in language; with no pre thought, and are 100% reliable for analysis.  They are not subjective, and cannot fail in analysis, and that his use of "we" was not a narcissistic or psychopathic retreat into being "one" with God, but was (and is) the psychological 'sharing' of guilt that mothers of little boys learn readily when they come home from school with a need to 'spread out' the guilt of what was done. 

The murder victim's husband, Davey Blackburn, is again talking about the murder and readers here know that I concluded "deception indicated" without ably identifying the source of guilt, examine both the possibility of sexual guilt and guilty knowledge of a crime in which police have cleared him.  

I often do enough analysis to show a conclusion on the blog, while doing complete analysis for district attorneys, or within trainings where other professionals weigh in.  In this case, most investigators feel very strongly that the guilt's source is, in their own private opinions (having no access to the case), related to some form of contact with a gang member in which knowledge was passed letting a gang know what day, at what address, at what time a door would be unlocked and a woman would be home alone.  Some felt that homosexuality was indicated, but this still did not remove the bizarre coincidental nature of the case:

A man who is obsessed with success as defined in numbers, complains openly about his wife, citing pregnancy as a trigger, because his wife does not satisfy him sexually, and may even be to blame for the lack of numerical 'success' in his business.  He speaks publicly, shortly before his death, waving a gun around as a prop.  

The unhappy marriage ends, with its specific trigger (the unborn child) and what does the statistical suspect do?  He immediately uses the murder as free advertising, boasting of the numbers it produced.  

Sound like a devastated husband?

Statistically when a pregnant woman is murdered, the husband/boyfriend is the likely suspect.  

Here, police found and arrested the shooters and the husband was cleared.  Please note this as revealed fact of the case.  

Recent Videos and Insight  

As difficult or distasteful as it may be to some, listening and watching the video of the murder victim, Amanda Blackburn's husband, "Davey" is enlightening.   This case has been covered extensively, with deception indicated from the victim's husband, while police have plainly stated:  he is not a suspect.    

I write about this case solely from the language and videos publicly broadcast and only express my opinion.  I have not read the case file, nor have I been given any information from police.  I do believe that clearing him is their decision, made in conjunction with their attorneys.  

What To View 

We have both his language (statement analysis in the wake of the murder) but also his appearance, which includes theatrics, props, and costumes.  

What does this say about him, his religious beliefs, and any possible reflection to his sensitivity and deception in language?

Here is an example:  

http://resonateindianapolis.com/front-page/podcasts/page/2/


At 37 minute mark, he talks about reading Amanda's journal and weeping.  The problem?

He goes from past tense, to present tense (weeping) back to present tense, making the unreliable point in the middle.  This was a few months removed from the murder of his spouse and child.  As one investigator wrote, 'I would have lost it' had it been his wife.  The subject showed no emotion, just as he showed no negative emotion shortly after the murder.  He did show positive emotion at the attention and advertising but retreated to plural, "we" when it came to anything personal.  

In the video of him addressing his father-in-law's church, we noted his assertion of 'historical greatness' and his belief that the Creator communicated to him the reason for the murder and what great things he, the husband, would accomplish.  We also saw that in this, he berated his father in law's ministry, the congregation and gave the caveat or "out", that if greatness (numerical) is not achieved, it is not his fault, but their's for 'wasting' Amanda's death. 

All this, he said, came to him while standing naked in the shower. 

One not need to be a statement analyst, nor even a psychologist to consider the elements of divinity, nakedness and water, as indicative of sexual guilt in need of cleansing. 

In statement analysis, the correlation between 'shower' or 'water' and sexual homicide is strongly indicated. Please see Amanda Knox, or other articles on such in the blog entries. 

Most times, only basic analysis is offered in the blog.  Today, I will look a little deeper into the recent entries made by the subject, as well as common assertions made by readers in that they believe that  the subject (husband of victim) is concealing homosexuality, in particular.  This is a common conclusion of readers, citing both his words as well as his dress and appearance.  

I am curious as to those many comments who believe he is homosexual and either hiding it, or 'not hiding it as much...' now, as he may have been before the murder committed by gang members.    

Why?

If you look at his appearance in the last few performances, does his appearance suggest homosexuality?  Or, is this something "PC" and not talked about unless you are homosexual? 

What causes readers to most frequently cite this?  Is is supported by the language?  Is it what he publicly referenced as the "big lie" that caused his school mates, teachers, administrators, faculty and family, to turn against him?  Was there some form of false accusation (it was a lie, according to him) that caused such tremendous uproar?

Consider that for teens, when we do something wrong, we generally do not find 'agreement' in condemnation from both peers and adults; usually, one or the other, but not both.  Kids understand and often support kids, while the parents say "this was wrong."  It is unusual that he reported the condemnation to be universal and so wide spread that it even included faculty of the school.  It was, according to his description, no small occasion of deception.  

Appearance, Bearing, Theatrics and Presentation 

I am not a body language analyst, but I recognize that although it does not come close to the accuracy of statement analysis, it has both a use and it is inescapable:  we all do it. 

The clothing, including black leather jacket, baseball cap, the tight pants, hair styling, and the ill fitting jacket,  self referencing his own tan, his own body parts, etc, all show great attention to detail; something in the past attributed to the female mind; detail orientation, in particular.  (Remember, his Bible warns women about excess in appearance, (jewelry, hair, clothing,) but it makes no such warnings to men, something generally understood as unnecessary).  

I recognized why readers comment that he is not masculine in appearance when I watched the video performances he gave. 

His appearance is designed to communicate a message and his words affirm it.  This is why readers are to listen to the words he chooses.  

  2 things of note:

While he is speaking freely, he abounds in the singular pronoun,  both "I" and "me", voiding his use of the "we" he used regarding Amanda and child's murder.  During the days he did the "media tour", he rarely used the pronoun "I", yet while 'preaching', he refers to himself far more than he does to any religious figure, including the 'jesus' he references.  At times, media, and readers, have picked up on this narcissistic indicator, such as Barak Obama giving a eulogy where one may have wondered if he remembered to even mention the dearly departed as he spoke about himself.  We also saw this in the Amanda 'funeral' or 'memorial' service where Davey was keyed upon by his mentor, with very few words dedicated to Amanda.  

I imply no insult to Christians by my lowercase 'jesus' above.  I recognize that the person described by Davey Blackburn as 'jesus' bears little resemblance to the figure known as "Jesus of Nazareth", historically, from the ancient texts.  Davey's 'jesus' is not the Jesus of John the Baptist, for example, in language.  They are very different.  By using the lower case, I seek to respect those of faith, and hope this adequately fulfills this respect.  Many have written how embarrassed they are at his antics in his performances.  

"We is me and jesus"

The now or 'new'  reasoning that "we" was "me and jesus" is something that satisfies those who believe he is mentally ill and suffers from delusion.  I disagree.  Clinical delusion is not in his language; instead, manipulation, drive and a single-mindedness of self promotion are most evident.  

Language and Purpose

Next note the number of references, in any 30 minute segment, to his personal body and appearance.  Besides many references to sexuality, he refers to his own physical attributes often, and uses language that reflects body building, body posture (besides sitting/standing) and even the use of imagery in language, as habits of speech where he employs a word that you might find more suitable for the gym or an exercise than in a church.  

The more he speaks, the more suspicion he brings upon himself, particularly of those who hold that he had, in some way, communicated to criminal element, that his home would be accessible on that particular day, specifically in the morning hours, including the delay.  

As people read his words, suspicion grows and what is not supported is;

mental illness. 

The use of "we" in his statements was not delusional as some have suggested.  This is a purpose driven, ambitious narcissist who knows precisely what he is doing, and when it came to the death of his wife, he deliberately retreated to "we", as instinct, (that is, not subconscious, but without pre thought) in areas related to her death.  

If the 'we' was "me and jesus", one cannot help but wonder what went wrong in his relationship with 'jesus' that the pronoun "we" has disappeared during the free editing process of these video-taped performances?  If the pronoun was relationship, the absence shows a change in the perception of the relationship.  

I do not hold to this.  

Pronouns are instinctive, intuitive, and 100% reliable in Statement Analysis.  Context holds the answer as we are able to see when a person seeks comfort in a crowd, where psychologically, guilt is shared by 'spreading it around' and connection and unity is made with at least one other person, if not an entire crowd.  This is lie detection 101 that kindergarten teachers know well.  

Fame has its cost

As people wonder, "Will the truth come out?" which, for most of us, is not something we are ready to even define.  What is the truth?  Did he 'hint' or 'suggest' to a gang member during a 'counseling' session that he was sick of his wife and his house would be unlocked; hence, the deceptive language?

Or, was he  sick of his wife (as he stated), and deception has been his own sexuality as he covered his own glee at the marvelous coincidence and opportunity for fame?  (I will address sexuality and language at a different time). 

Fame has its cost. 

When one becomes famous, envy quickly arises and people want what another has, and with envy, if they cannot have it, they seek to destroy he who does.  'Pay me for silence...' is a form of extortion that famous people have always dealt with.  In some cases, the extortioner has 'disappeared' or been murdered.  

This could be related to any secrets and secret relationships that he may have engaged in.  His dress, appearance, mannerisms and his overtly sexually language conspire against him.  Our words reveal us.  

When his mentor was supposed to speak about Amanda and Christ's Resurrection, instead he opted to speak about Davey's body in a distinctly romantic or sexual manner.  This showed what was on mentor's mind, as our words reveal us all.  If you, the viewer of the video, had wished to dismiss this as tangents or those with evil imaginations, the mentor made it quite difficult for you.  

Although I have not listened to any of the performances in depth, it takes but a few minutes to learn: 

1.  just how dominant the pronoun "I is within his language.  This is when he is speaking without notes in the 'free editing process.'

2.  the priority of each message is the subject, himself, and not a religious or historical figure. He is 'front and center' linguistically, just as much as he is theatrically, as the videographer focus is upon Davey, himself.

3.  how the language reveals repetition in sensuality; that is, sexual or physical references that are repeated, or that have a common thread:  even metaphors going back to his body parts.  

4.  The video taped performance is theatrical, not just in language but appearance, including the costumes. 

  What does this say about his religious belief?  

What do tight clothing, sexualized language and imagery and focus of self say about his religious belief?  Does his 'jesus' have a message, so terribly weak, that it needs the 'tools of the trade' to be effective?


"On November 10th, everything changed. It was a normal Tuesday morning. I woke up around 4:30am. Read my bible for a bit. Grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout. When I returned home to shower I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone. My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with 3 gunshot wounds – one to the head.

I don’t really know how anyone is expected to process a moment like that. I suppose I’ll attempt to explain more one day on this blog, but for now the only way I can describe it is everything seemed to be a slow-motion blur as all my worst fears became reality. I called 911 as soon as I could, and the paramedics rushed Amanda to the hospital. The next 24 hours were a waiting game to see if the swelling in her brain would subside and give us any hope of her survival. Mid-morning on November 11th the doctors informed me that there was no brain activity and she would not recover."

Consider from the analysis some more insight:   



1. "Read my Bible for a bit. Grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout."
He did not say, "I read my Bible for a bit.  I went to the gym and worked out."  Instead, he gives us more detail, unnecessarily, about that dreadful day.  

a.  "Grabbed my gym clothes" begins without the pronoun "I" and we know that not only is the pronoun "I" something he uses a great deal (see above) but it is dissimilar to his statements in which he said "we" was "me and jesus" which was so often used, that it showed baseline pattern building shortly after her death.

Does 'jesus' not grab gear and work out with him any longer?  If this was a few months ago, might he have used the pronoun "we", as he now claims, to be him and 'jesus'?

Beginning this sentence without a pronoun is very important. The sentences before and after had pronouns. 

Please consider that pronoun omission by narcissistic types, is an acute distancing point; not just "distancing language."

It is not just a disruption in his pattern (contextually) and it is not just a deviation from his pattern of guilt where he used "we" so often: 

He is telling us that he has a need to psychologically distance himself from the gym, now, as he looks back.  This should lead to natural questions;

Who did you speak to at the gym?
Who did you meet with?
What took place at the gym?
Why the need to persuade us that this is 'normal' if it is normal?
Was there something about going to the gym this day, in particular, that had another motive?  

If this sounds like 'reading into the text what does not exist' please consider the following:

"grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout" as it stands with "for a work out" answering the question as to "why?", though no such question exists.  

This "for" is the reason why, yet, it is consistent with an event that has begun or an intention, rather than a commitment such as, "I went to the gym and worked out."  This would be a reliable statement. 

He is now signaling something to consider:

There may be another reason why he went to the gym, and it is something that he does not want to say and something that he psychologically does not want to be associated with. 

Because the sentences before and after use pronouns, it only heightens the sensitivity of the omitted pronoun here.  

"he headed out" which is to begin an activity which we seek conclusion upon, in the text.  
b.  He does not say "who" headed out"  He said he “headed or started”.  


Here, he literally tells us why he went to the gym, "for a workout" which then indicates that he had a need to tell us why he went to the gym.  

*This suggests that he likely had another reason for going to the gym that morning besides working out.  In fact, he does not tell us he worked out.  


2. When I returned home to shower  I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone

Here we have the hypersensitive portion of his account.  He now tells us the reason he went home.  
a.  This is unnecessary making it very important;
b.  This is to explain why when no such question is posed
c.  This is to explain why when no such question is even anticipated. 

This tells us that his return home had a purpose other than to just shower.  

*Does this now point to guilty knowledge of murder, rather than just the possible sexual event at a gym?

Answer:  not so quickly.  It is a 'cluster of blues', yes, but "shower" is closely related to some form of illicit, or inappropriate sexual activity but it is also closely related to sexual homicide. 
Amanda was murdered via gunshot, but, if reports are believed, there is an element of sexual assault involved if only by the removal of her clothes. 

This suggests either:
a.  the need to be cleansed from sexual sin at the gym, for example, 
b.  the knowledge that what was going to be done to his wife while he was at the gym, including an element of sexual assault.  

Some investigators believe both.  


"Walked in..." is to slow down the pace of the event with its requisite psychological distancing.    


3. "I called 911 as soon as I could,"  the paramedics rushed Amanda to the hospital. 


Here he tells us that something caused him to be limited or initially unable to call 911 with the words "as soon as I could" while not identifying what caused him to be delayed. 

I have found in many years of investigations references to calling 911 "immediately" or "right away", when unnecessary (in an open statement) to be linked to delay. 

"And I called 911 immediately", yet later the interview revealed the suspect tried to resuscitate his victim hoping to avoid calling police, but when he could not revive him, he was forced to call police.  While he was thinking of this delay, he said, "I called 911 immediately "

It was this word, "immediately" that I focused my questions on the time period from the "fall" he claimed the victim took, and the call to police, eventually leading to the admission of "well, yeah, of course, who wouldn't try but then I called!"

It is an unnecessary word. 

When there is an emergency, no one will think, "did you stop and smoke a cigaret or have a bite to eat, and then call 911?" but the subject, thinking of what really happened feels a need to deal with suspicion that doesn't even exist. 

This suspicion is projected by the guilty subject, in the language  and without its inclusion, I would not have known of a delay. 

Had 'Davey' not said, "as soon as I could", I would not have known that something hindered him. Here, he not only identifies a delay in time, but an event or something that hindered him.  He has the need to say that which should have been unnecessary to state.  

Now consider this:

This is his second 'delay' of time on the 'normal' every Tuesday event. 

The first?

He stayed on the phone (not unusual) outside on the driveway (unusual, unexpected) on the very day that he might have saved her life had he not stayed outside this long.  

It is very difficult to grasp the rapidity of clearing a statistical suspect (husband of pregnant woman) simply because his alibi of location checks out, when you look at these statements.  

Also by mentioning "as soon as I could", not only is it a delay of time and signals that something (event) hindered him, but it shows that while making this statement,  he is thinking of the time period between when he walked in and when he called 911, and does not wish to share this information. 

This is not a skipping over time, he is literally slowing time down with "walking" into his, not our, house. 

  Linguistically, he is actually pausing, as he recalls the date of the murder of Amanda and her unborn child.  


 4. "On November 11th the doctors informed me that there was no brain activity and she would not recover." 

The lack of Amanda's name is consistent with the distancing language he used during all the interviews he gave shortly after her murder.  He avoided using the correct social introduction (from a man who public speaks for a living) signaling that when he complained about her in his video performances, he was reporting his complaints reliably or truthfully.  (I do not claim them to be 'accurate' as Amanda was ridiculed and silenced, only that he is reliable and not attempting to deceive.  He blames her, which may not be accurate, but he is not deceptive).  

Note the doctors informed "me" here.  What did they inform "me" of?  Not that Amanda would not live, but that there was "no brain activity" and "she" would not live.  At this point, the focal point is "me", even more than the lack of brain activity, though "she" is still alive. 
The context is medical.  Where is the "we"?  Was not this supposed to be "me and jesus" here?


Psychological distancing.  Also, the "plural" he has addressed as "me and Jesus", which for some means mental illness.  I do not believe it.  I believe it is the sharing of guilt, psychologically and the new explanation is deliberate deception.  

Mental Illness and Delusional Thinking 

As to "hope of survival" he now retreats back to the same language he used after her death; confirming that it is context that controls the pronoun, not the presence of 'jesus', nor the mental illness asserted.  If he was truly delusional, as one profiler suggested, and saw himself as 'one with God', she said, like other 'psychopathic narcissists', the "we" would show up outside the context where Amanda's death and guilt are indicated.  

Think: "hope of survival" would mean, what, to Davey?

She, the one he complained about, and she, the one who wanted him home, while he wanted to be out canvasing, and she, the one who carried yet another baby who caused so much stress...would be coming home and have to be dealt with.  

It is the consistency that shows:  this is not mental illness; this is not delusional belief of being "one" with God, nor is it even narcissistic psychopathy:  it is the same thing your 7 year old does when he was naughty at school (if there is still something defined as 'naughty' or 'wrong' in schools today), he hides his guilt, psychologically, in a crowd.  

When he is not in need of psychological thinning out of the intensity of guilt, there is no use of "we"; hence, the contextual affirmation.  

Pronouns do not lie.  

Even after months, and after 'explaining' the meaning behind the plural, it is context, again, that shows where the need for plurality exists; precisely as seen months ago.  

This is a bit longer than some of you may be used to, and it has some background information that may help you as you listen to and watch the videos, see the pronoun usage for what it is, and decide for yourself if police were correct in closing the case, or if the deception is about sexuality and not murder. 

All persons are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  When anyone speaks publicly, there is an assumption that the listener is free to opine on whether or not the listener believes the information given. 

The opinion here is my own.  It comes solely from the public statements within the public case. 

I expect a book and movie deal to be forthcoming and for more scrutiny to come each time statements are made. 

I have my own doubts upon this case, but do not believe that the subject's pronoun use is due to any form of mental illness or  mental disturbance, outside of what this type of pronoun use has shown readily in many years of research:

We, as humans, feel guilt and when we wish to distance ourselves from the guilt, one of the best indicators is pronouns. 

Dropped pronouns have indicated guilt. 

The word "we" has solved rape cases.  

Pronouns are not part of our internal subjective dictionaries, but are intuitive, and even pre-date our discernible speech as young children.  

Some examples for those new to analysis:  

"We drove to the woods where he raped me.  We then drove home and I called 911."

In this case, no rape took place, as the word "we" indicates unity and/or cooperation between the rapist and victim; this is something that rape victims will instinctively avoid. The "we" before the assault is acceptable, because at the time of the driving, unity would be the expected, but for the subject, this unity was not disrupted therefore, the "we" after the assault is unexpected and indicative of deception. 

See the Bill Cosby case for an example of how a victim relates to a rapist. 

Here is a similar view.  Once they beat him, the word "we" revealed that he was part of this thieving gang:  

"They broke in here and beat me, tied me up, put a towel over my head.  We went into the room and they made me open the safe..."
"We went to the store.  Got what I needed.  Paid cash and left. "

The dropped pronoun signals that the subject did, with others, go to the store, but once there, he does not want to be part of it ---"it" was theft.  


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Anonymous said...

I believe the Blackburn family has VERY lumpy rugs from all the disturbing things that have been swept under them.

Sweep.

Take pretty pictures.

Sweep.

Post super happy comments on social media.

Repeat.

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Nic said...

Anonymous said:

Coffee does not equal sex.

That right. Coffee is social. Taken in context (Davey's "homily" is about sex,) I take coffee to mean something more than just coffee.

Me2l said...

"Doesn't change the fact that the coffee is not connected to his travels."

.....and it doesn't mean it WAS connected to his travels, especially when the other person he mentions is Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Nic ---- There is no reason to twist "coffee" into meaning something it doesn't. Davey is telling us, CLEARLY, he DOESN'T want to talk over COFFEE, he WANTS SEX.

If coffee means "more than just coffee," as you say, and has something to do with sex, then that would mean he DOESN'T WANT SEX.

Do you understand? There's no need to twist what he's saying into being about sex, because he says it straight up. He's not beating around the bush.

Fm25 said...

Response to 911 call request
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The Marion County Sheriff’s Office received your request for the 911 recording in the Amanda Blackburn case. Due to the case still pending, and under investigation we are unable to release the 911 recording at this time pursuant to IC 5-14-3-4(b)(1).

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you,

Rachel Gohmann
Marion County Sheriff’s Office

Me2l said...

Exactly.

Clearly, coffee implies another person in this DB story, and he names the person.

I just really don't see how it connects in any way whatsoever with Amanda's death, even for those who believe DB had something to do with it.

Fm25 said...

FYI, I also plan on attending the pretrial conference on 05/17. If there are any other locals interested in joining let me know. I've been disappointed in the biased media coverage and feel the need to see things for myself.

Anonymous said...

Fm25, please be specific about how the media has been biased.

rosy said...

"I wish I could say that the first thing that I wanna to do is sit down and have a nice cup of coffee with my wife and have her regale me on her entire week."

He's voicing his impression of his wife's expectations after he returns from a trip. She would like them to sit down together over "a nice cup of coffee" so that she, at home all week, can tell him all the details of "her entire week."

Meanwhile he wants to grab her straight away for sex. A counselor might suggest to such a husband (maybe did suggest) that he and his wife sit down for coffee and converse together, taking turns sharing events of the week, large or small, based on significance to them.

All that is now water under the bridge.

Definitely, though, in this context "a nice cup of coffee" functions as a wife's token, or means, for restoring intimacy BEFORE proceeding further, to sexual contact.

Nic's suggestion amounts to a rigid, literalistic, inapplicable interpretation of SA.

flightfulbird said...

Fm25, I very much appreciate your requesting again for the 911 call to be released. It reinforces to the Sheriff's Office that people are watching and following this case, waiting for the call to be made public and wondering why it hasn't yet been released this many months later.

"Due to the case still pending, and under investigation. . ." - it seems to me as though this statement could mean that this case is NOT all wrapped up neatly with a bow.

When I compare the handling of the 911 call in this case to the ones in the Ohio murders, it seems odd. They released the Ohio ones within a day, with no suspects in their sights. I am still trying to think of a reason why the 911 call from this case would still be part of an active investigation against those they already have captured - and I cling to the hope that it majorly implicates Davey and that is why they are keeping it to themselves right now.

If i was local I would ask to join you at the pretrial for sure !

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momofmany said...

Fm25, when is the pretrial conference?

Me2l said...

The discrepancy of opinion about DB between those who know him and people who comment on blogs (but who don't know him) is absolutely huge.

That gives me pause......that, and the fact there have been arrests in Amanda's murder.

Why do so many people close to Davey appear to think so highly of him?

Fm25 said...

Anonymous, within days of Amanda's murder the police made a statement that davey had been 100% cleared. At that time it was impossible for them to have conducted a thorough enough investigation for that conclusion to have been made. Regardless of where davey was at the time of the murder, he could not possibly have been ruled out as a suspect so quickly. The fact that the media did not question it further is to me, and I'm sure to many others, clear evidence of bias. This may be because some members of the local media are acquainted with davey, although I know of only one who is definitely.

Fm25 said...

Thank you flightfulbird. I will definitely keep you posted if I hear anything else.

Momofmany, I believe it's 05/17 at 9 am

Fm25 said...

Me21, I could see how you may think that, but if you look at the posters in support of davey you will find that many are members of resonate, newspring, and similar churches. I actually feel the number of positive posts are very low considering the shocking and tragic nature of this case. I imagine he and his interns spend a significant amount of time rejecting negative posts that are submitted for approval. Lastly, I believe there are many people both local and otherwise who are not buying his story but are not active in forums such as these. I typically do not post on forums like this, but that doesn't mean i am not reading along and agreeing with every word. When the recent articles from the indystar were posted I saw far more negative comments than positive ones.

flightfulbird said...

Thank you Bobcat for the link to Davey's newest blog post !

Two immediate thoughts about it -

He wrote that Newspring personnel came to "help us navigate the media frenzy we had on our hands. . ."

This statement makes it sound like the MEDIA was in a feeding frenzy, contacting the family or even harassing them in trying to grab the story. I always thought Davey was creating/requesting these media interview opportunities - to get Amanda's story out, to publicize the funeral and point people to his church. He sure didn't shy away from the media, at any rate - rather, (he seemed to embrace the interviews and the attention - any way to get the spotlight.

He DECLINED to be interviewed by the Indy Star this past weekend (I wonder why) so we know he can handle saying "no" to interviews.

He also wrote "It was during our time at NewSpring The Lord brought us to a place where we chose to lay our lives down for the sake of the Good News of Jesus."

OK, moving to Indianapolis to "plant a new church" was not exactly choosing to lay their lives down for the sake of the Good News of Jesus". It was a new adventure - they bought a house - they got to go to Chicago on the weekends - he got to drink Starbucks and go to the gym - she got to live closer to her family. Even if moving is disruptive and even if there was a financial struggle, that's not GIVING UP A LIFE, laying down a life.

This statement seems to be yet more reinforcement that Amanda "chose to give her life to see people come to Jesus" - he keeps hammering this over and over - even stating in an interview how 6500 (?) people tuned in to her funeral across the world and that they were able to hear about Jesus.

Amanda did not choose to die so Resonate Church could prosper. But it appears that the capitalization and publicity is working.

Fm25 said...

Just remembered something else from sermon yesterday that seemed odd. Sorry I do not have transcript so I don't know exact wording. He said that some of the guys from newspring asked him to meet about planting church. I distinctly recall noble previously saying that crazy davey asked for a meeting. Anyone else notice that?

Anonymous said...

It's pretty obvious why he's refusing media interviews. If you don't know, you must not be paying attention.

Me2l said...

"Blogger Fm25 said...
Me21, I could see how you may think that, but if you look at the posters in support of davey you will find that many are members of resonate, newspring, and similar churches. I actually feel the number of positive posts are very low considering the shocking and tragic nature of this case. I imagine he and his interns spend a significant amount of time rejecting negative posts that are submitted for approval. Lastly, I believe there are many people both local and otherwise who are not buying his story but are not active in forums such as these. I typically do not post on forums like this, but that doesn't mean i am not reading along and agreeing with every word. When the recent articles from the indystar were posted I saw far more negative comments than positive ones."




But that's precisely my point.

I'm not talking about sheer volume of negative or positive comments. I'm talking about the opinions in comments from those who know him best; of those who knew both him and Amanda best.....friends, family, Resonate members. They seem to be very supportive of Davey, and I would think that might be meaningful, because, after all, they do know him.

flightfulbird said...

"I wonder why" was a rhetorical statement.

I believe Davey is refusing interviews because he can no longer keep his stories straight and has been advised or realized not to enter uncontrolled live situations where he has to speak on the fly. I wonder if he has an attorney. He would be wise to stop talking and blogging altogether because he is punching holes in his story almost every time he speaks or writes.

Now there are obvious discrepancies between his description of the morning of the murder that he gave to Newspring (and was reported by Indy Star) compared to what he told IMPD detectives in the affidavit for probable cause. How can he possibly say to Newspring that he didn't know anyone had been in his house - when he clearly described the scene to IMPD and said the Swisher Sweets shouldn't be there ? The constant stuttering when he talks about that morning is also an indication of stress in recounting the events.

What happened that morning happened, and in only one way. If he is speaking from experiential memory, the versions cannot change from statement to statement. I think and hope that this Newspring appearance will be the beginning of the end for him.

rosy said...

Me2l said...
at 3:19 PM
those who knew both him and Amanda best.....friends, family, Resonate members. They seem to be very supportive of Davey, and I would think that might be meaningful, because, after all, they do know him.
=================

Do you think his family and Amanda's family knew, or know, the DB in those Resonate videos? The DB "shooting" worries on stage and riffing about sex with Amanda? I don't.

I'd be interested to see the looks on their faces if they watched his videos from the weeks before Amanda was murdered.

Anonymous said...

The ones who know him best seem to be very, very quiet, a la if you can't say something nice...

Fm25 said...

I get what your saying, I'm just not sure I agree with you. Frankly I would expect more support from Amanda's family. Amber has only shared or commented on his posts a handful of times. Her parents even less. Nothing at all from her brother since right after the murder. Ambers posts get hundreds of comments, including from her mother and other family members. I just don't see that on daveys page. To me, it seems their support is obligatory. They must maintain a cordial relationship for the sake of Weston. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Again, just my opinion and I suspect you may feel differently which is fine. The whole dynamic of their church family is foreign to me and I have to try to remember to take that into consideration.

flightfulbird said...

I would LOVE to know if they have watched those videos in the Love Song series and others. There is no way they could watch any one of those, listen to Davey speak about Amanda and then still think in their hearts that she was happy and well-cared-for emotionally. Emotional abuse is still abuse, no question. How hard would it have been for Amanda to keep up a charade of perfection and joy in front of everyone- while Davey was saying these demeaning things about her both from the church stage and most likely at home as well. Plus which, this guy had no filter on stage so it had to have been worse for her at home when nobody else was around.

Some have said, and I agree, that Amanda's family is possibly keeping a low profile - keeping their thoughts to themselves and being cooperative and acting as though they trust and believe Davey - solely because Davey controls their access to Weston and they don't want to lose Weston because they love him and he is their connection to Amanda.

If this is true, though, some of the performances (in writing anyway) are almost Oscar-winning, especially from Amber.

Many family members have come forward and exposed crimes after seeing performances in interviews where the "grieving" individual is gleeful or shows a side that rubs them the wrong way. I wonder what Phil Byars was really thinking when he sat beside Davey on that Fox interview or stood beside him at the podium in his church on the morning of the "dry bones" and "God spoke to me in the shower" talk.

Me2l said...
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Me2l said...


Well, I'm not sure what posts of Amber's people here are referring to. If you go to her FB page, she has post after post of positively glowing words for and about Davey and posts about current outings that have included him; encouraging others to receive the blessings Davey had to offer at his Newspring "appearance." There is much more. She is far from keeping quiet about Davey.

flightfulbird said...

That's what I mean - Amber consistently speaks in glowing terms about Davey - just raves about him and his ministry and influence. IF she has feelings that he was involved in Amanda's murder and is hiding those feelings, she is doing an excellent job of it.

Fm25 said...

Of course everyone is free to view both davey and ambers Facebook accounts and form their own opinions. Both are active currently although i believe daveys will be shut down shortly.

Fm25 said...

We girls are quite good at putting on a fake smile and even over the top kindness to someone's face while we despise them in private. Especially southerners, it's almost an art form, lol!

Me2l said...

Amber is doing more than putting on a good face. She is actively promoting him and socializing with him.

Anonymous said...

Amber introduced her sister to DB. Why or how could she allow herself to be suspicious of DB committing any wrongful acts toward AB? To do so, IMO, means she would have to blame herself for putting her sister in the mess.

MsDp

Anonymous said...

imagine if these three guys met Jesus

Does "these" signify closeness?

flightfulbird said...

Bobcat, yes ! Why not say "those" three guys? And even referring to them as "three guys" instead of killers or scum or whatever other choice of words - indicates closeness / fondness, in a way?

Anonymous said...

Yes! He says "these guys" at least THREE times! I'm working on a transcription now.

Me2l said...

"Anonymous said...
Amber introduced her sister to DB. Why or how could she allow herself to be suspicious of DB committing any wrongful acts toward AB? To do so, IMO, means she would have to blame herself for putting her sister in the mess."


.....further suggesting that those who know him well see a different Davey. After all, if she introduced him to her sister, Amber must have been just fine with him.

Anonymous said...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/davey-blackburn-forgiveness-is-a-decision

DB: " … No idea, um, who these, who these guys were. But then, the first time I ever felt any kind of anger, um, which, which, anger is not a bad emotion. Um, what you do with that, can be sin, but, the first time I felt anger, was when they arrested ‘em and I saw the photos of the guys. And so, in that moment, I really had to wrestle with this, and, what I realized was that, forgiveness isn’t an emotion. That I wasn’t ever gonna feel like forgiving them. Um, that’s just, just point blank. You’re, you’re never gonna feel like forgiving somebody, for doing something to you, um, that, that is irreparable, um, y-, you know, and, and so no matter what the degree of it is, you’re just not gonna feel it. And so, what I, what I realized is that forgiveness is a decision. And it’s not just a one time decision, it’s a daily decision. And so, literally Perry, every day, I have to wake up, and sometimes I’m faced with those feelings a little bit stronger than others, other days. But I have to wake up and I have to decide to forgive. And here’s why I decided to decide to forgive…

(Blah blah blah – preachy preachy)

Honestly, Perry, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it…"

these guys = closeness
Interesting word choices, such as:
point blank
degree (of murder)

Fm25 said...

Me21, I assume you are referring to the last 3 or 4 posts where she was with him at newspring, shared the newspring "advertisement" and share a couple of his blog entries. What do you see before that? I see months of post about Amanda which may mention davey in passing if he's in the picture, but only Amanda and her mother are tagged. He wasn't even tagged in the post about their double wedding. I had to go back to 2015 before I found him tagged in any other posts. I also noticed that the posts of davey which she shared received very few comments compared to those about just Amanda. I don't see any comments from her on his recent posts either although I haven't gone back too far. So yeah, I don't know for sure what their relationship is like currently, and I don't think anyone could come to a definitive conclusion based on a few Facebook posts. She does seem to be a very graceful woman much like her sister.

Nic said...

Me21 said:
I just really don't see how it connects in any way whatsoever with Amanda's death, even for those who believe DB had something to do with it.

I didn't say it did. I was responding to something another poster brought up/said as "as a matter of fact".

Hey Jude said...

Flightful - @ 2.47. I've been listening to some of Davey's father-in-law's messages today, including the one in which Davey took over to give his shower encounter with God. (Nov 29th contemporary service). Earlier in that, Phil describes how Newspring were dealing with the media, and how they decided it was best to have Phil and Davey at Newspring together to do the requested interviews, in order to get them all out of the way that week. I'm sure they only did some of the outstanding requested interviews. Media demand would have been high, Davey would not have needed to seek publicity - the phones would not have stopped ringing; what is surprising is the number of interviews he did so close on Amanda's murder - one or two would have been hoped for and appreciated - he seems to have done as many as he could before Newspring handled the media by pulling the plug with the round of joint interviews with Phil.

I agree, he is declining interviews because he can't keep his story straight - also, note the new additions to the story - interesting.

Nic said...

Here's a thought, I see that the Amanda Blackburn case is a very emotional case for some. Instead of simply discounting or disagreeing, or whatever, how about people respond with their own application of statement analysis principles so we might learn from one another?

Hey Jude said...

Amber knows stuff she is not saying, Davey know Amber knows stuff she is not saying - Amanda's family want to keep good relations for the sake of Weston, and (possibly) because they have misplaced faith in Davey; they need to think the best of him in order to stay sane - if they doubt him, they are not going to say. Understandable, IMO.

Bobcat said...

"Honestly, Perry, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it"

Would it be appropriate to conclude that Davey knows these guys?

Bobcat said...

Twice, he says "I honestly don't know/have no idea how I'm gonna do it."

Could that mean he knows exactly how to get in touch with "these guys"?

Me2l said...

"Blogger Nic said...
Here's a thought, I see that the Amanda Blackburn case is a very emotional case for some. Instead of simply discounting or disagreeing, or whatever, how about people respond with their own application of statement analysis principles "

Lol. The majority of comments here are pure conjecture; nothing to do with SA.

Fm25 said...

Db and pn do seem to be slowly rewriting "Amanda's story", and by rewriting I mean adding more details that sell (pregnant with baby girl) and removing parts that paint db in negative light (left door unlocked, phone call outside house). They can only do this by being in complete control of the narrative (blog posts and carefully crafted interviews). He is more than happy to be in the public eye and accept the free publicity, but I don't expect him to agree to any interviews where he may be asked more probing questions. We may see interviews in the future where he or perry have approved of the questions beforehand. We can only hope that others will pick up on the changes he has made to his initial statement and conduct their own investigations. Thankful there are so many people on this post and Twitter who are making sure Amanda's true story is not forgotten.

Fm25 said...

Bobcat, good catch. Honestly used 3 times in those statements. And he "really" wants to. I'd say that's trying to convince someone but not a true statement. Could be not true bc he has no desire to reach out to them or because he knows them. Given everything we know about the case, I'd say the latter. Regardless you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved and you can't forgive someone who is not seeking forgiveness. Davey thinking he can is just another example of the self importance he has projected on himself. He seems to be equating himself with Jesus Christ more and more which i personally find very offensive.

Anonymous said...

Who doesn't know how to get in touch with the suspects? They're in the county lock-up.

Bobcat said...

The first time he felt anger was when he saw the photos.

I wonder what angered him? That he knew the faces? Or that he knew the faces knew him?

Bobcat said...

Fm25 OT

"Regardless you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved and you can't forgive someone who is not seeking forgiveness."

OT
I believe you can forgive anyone whether or not they seek it. Forgiveness is a choice to release the weight of unforgiveness.

sore thumb said...

Bobcat ...........

Did you make this? https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hH0wz-kvkRI/VxsIqA715jI/AAAAAAAAAP4/u7kjeJ_z6C4H9qq1XNSnNNaISuzqHMoVQCLcB/s1600/lint.jpg

I think Jude was right -- there seems to be some sensitivity about Davey's shoe lint comment. Two months after he said it, you're still posting about.

It's odd that people who spends every. single. day. accusing Davey of his wife's murder are so bent out of shape about that shoe lint thing. He certainly could've said worse. Why take it so personally?

I hope you're not spending your vacation thinking about Davey. That doesn't sound very fun.

flightfulbird said...

And Davey is stuttering again when he talks about having NO IDEA who these guys were - also uses "um" a lot - somewhat or very scattered thoughts, not smooth (thank you to Bobcat for the transcript ! )

DB: " … No idea, um, who these, who these guys were. But then, the first time I ever felt any kind of anger, um, which, which, anger is not a bad emotion. Um, what you do with that, can be sin, but, the first time I felt anger, was when they arrested ‘em and I saw the photos of the guys. And so, in that moment, I really had to wrestle with this, and, what I realized was that, forgiveness isn’t an emotion. That I wasn’t ever gonna feel like forgiving them. Um, that’s just, just point blank. You’re, you’re never gonna feel like forgiving somebody, for doing something to you, um, that, that is irreparable, um, y-, you know, and, and so no matter what the degree of it is, you’re just not gonna feel it. And so, what I, what I realized is that forgiveness is a decision. And it’s not just a one time decision, it’s a daily decision. And so, literally Perry, every day, I have to wake up, and sometimes I’m faced with those feelings a little bit stronger than others, other days. But I have to wake up and I have to decide to forgive. And here’s why I decided to decide to forgive…

(Blah blah blah – preachy preachy)

Honestly, Perry, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it…"


Contrast this transcript above with this transcription below - when he is speaking about the church and Amanda's story and nothing is wasted - it's very fluid, very practiced, no stuttering, no usage of the word "um". And he uses "Amanda's story" twice. . . and says "that shows us nothing is wasted". . .

"The remarkable thing about christianity is that our god stepped into our suffering and so he “gets it”. He can empathize with us and so when, when Amanda saw Jesus for the first time, he gave her a big hug and immediately everything was undone. And so, so now, we’re on this side of eternity, getting to see things like, people meeting Jesus all over the country, all over the world, directly as a result to Amanda’s story, which is incredible. That shows us Nothing Is Wasted. God is, that you know Romans 8:28, that he’s going to work all things together for the good of those who love him who’ve been called according to his purposes. Genesis 50 tells me that what the enemy meant for, for evil, God meant for good, and, AND for the saving of many lives. So we’ve seen countless people step into the kingdom of god because of Amanda’s story, and so on this side of eternity, that is a massive consolation to us. OK. But the resurrection tells us, that one day it’s not just gonna be a consolation it’s gonna be complete restoration. So like every opportunity that, that I’ve lost, or that you’ve lost in your pain is gonna be completely restored to you. Right."


And the "point blank" phrase stuck out to me yesterday as well. . .

noisome said...

bobcat I found that very interesting too, the statement about his feelings when these guys were finally caught, and he got to see them "for the first time". In my opinion it's specifically contrived to emphasize him not knowing them. It's very much a Talking Point, and Davey sees it as "proving" that seeing these guys for the first time really was a NEW experience, because of this change in emotion for him, an authentic change in emotion.

He is writing his own story and citing himself as the source.

None of hs statements are candid, and I feel that at some point, the defense for this will be his own huckster-preacher profession and its skewed priorities regarding image projection. Hopefully, that defense would be unsuccessful, and a savvy investigator will be able to highlight this in trial; there's a difference between artifice for artifice's sake, or out of habit, and artifice for concealment and misdirection. The moneymaking angle must be tied together with the early purchase of that domain name, and all of the other early "extrovert" behavior from Davey. Much of this stuff on its own is easily explained away.



Fm25 said...

I am looking at forgiveness from a religious perspective. Since davey follows the Bible so literally (see his video on wife's duty to submit to husband), here's what the Bible says about forgiveness:

Our forgiveness is to be patterned upon God’s forgiveness (Eph. 4:32; Matt. 6:12, 14-15).

God’s forgiveness is conditional upon repentance (Luke 13:3; 17:3; Acts 2:38)

Davey may choose not to harbor resentment or feelings of ill will towards Amanda's murderers. However, as a pastor, for him to offer forgiveness so quickly with no repentance from the killers after such a heinous crime, it cheapens the gift of forgiveness. It has the potential to make families of other victims feel like they are lesser people for not offering forgiveness to the unrepentant. What he does in private is his own business, but he has put himself in the public eye and given his position I think he needs to be real careful how he uses that term. God does not forgive without repentance and neither should we.

flightfulbird said...

And yeah Anonymous at 5:35pm, it wouldn't be hard for Davey to get in touch with "these guys" - everyone knows where they are. For him to say he has no idea how he is going to do it is interesting.

I can already see the Indy Star writeup and tv news spots - "Grieving pastor Davey Blackburn meets with his wife's accused killers to offer forgiveness" . . .



Fm25 said...

Noisome, I've always suspected that if davey ever is caught he would say that Amanda was in on it as well. I know how absurd that sounds, but he's definitely been lining up stuff to show how willing Amanda was to die for her church.

Me2l said...

From Jesus on the cross toward the unrepentant:

Luke 23:34King James Version (KJV)

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Bobcat said...

sore thumb,

Yes, I added DB's words to a captured image of him at the time he made the statement.
It helps illustrate his sermon transcriptions.

"I hope you're not spending your vacation thinking about Davey."

No, I haven't left, but when I go offline, DB will not be coming with me.

Anonymous said...

The first time crazy Davey felt anger was when arrests were made.

He does not say he was angry with the disgusting thugs (sorry, "these guys") that murdered his wife, so I cant say it say it for him.

I think he was angry when arrests were made because nobody was supposed to get caught. Snitches get stitches, so it is unlikely Larry Taylor et al will say from whom they got their orders, but you ever know.

But CDs position is much more precarious now, than it would have been had no arrests been made.





rosy said...

Nothing so far indicates how the crime was or could have been orchestrated. Plenty of psychology/personality/character; motivation; context (financial and marital failure, stress, crisis). But beyond leaving the front door unlocked, what can be alleged of how an orchestration was pulled together?

- Leaving the front door unlocked is not an essential element of an orchestrated crime. An orchestrated crime could have included a break-in.

Leaving the front door unlocked is more likely a sign of stress in the household, a symptom of carelessness and over-confidence as part of over-all denial in a failing marriage and failing career. Other signs of this denial, continuing to spend on Starbucks and fast food, taking a trip to Chicago, leading a hotel-and-restaurant trip for 10 or more to Ohio.

None of these signs or symptoms point to a method of orchestration. The only relevance I can think of is, was the trip to Ohio part of a plan to leave the house empty for a rehearsal? Nah, no evidence of that.

So where if anywhere is any evidence of orchestration at the level of method? Evidence of planning contact at the gym, or of calls or texts on burner phones, whatever?

All it would take to start establishing a method of orchestration some shred of evidence of contact with one person in the network. So far there is no such evidence on display.

We need to know how LT and gang picked their victims.

noisome said...

I had the exact same thought, flightful bird. First the bragging about the funeral, selling T Shirts, TV interviews, then the obligatory PR tour to Israel that all ascendent Leaders must do these days, then a bigtime debut at Newspring that was promoted and commented on nationally. So it's only the next logical step in the Davey Show; less than a year after his wife is brutally murdered, that he goes on to publically meet with these murderers. In order to Grow His Kingdom or whatever. It will be televised of course.

The whole thing does feel like some sort of dark Truman Show, I find myself checking it out in real time, for sure. What really pings my radar is when there are comments ridiculing any and all speculation, in a sort of jokey way, like "omg you losers are still obsessing over this?" I wouldn't be surprised if the poster directly above who is admonishing us for "thinking about Davey" too much, is one of his compatriots, Noble or another. They all have that snarky queen thing down pat.

Anonymous said...

Plot twist: Davey saves the souls of his three mates and they repent and spill the beans about the gang boss who contracted the killing, who in turn, gets a plea deal for revealing proof that it was CD behind it all.

Dangerous Davey gets to dine in the presence of his enemies for 25yrs - life.

noisome said...

About the burner phones; if this was an organized hit, both Davey and hitmen would have burners. It's 2016. Davey is cetainly savvy enough to have a burner, and anyone who would do a burglary-murder spree would as well. You can be sure that as soon as the crime was finished, the phone(s) was trashed.

Everything hinges on investigatory competence. We'll find out soon enough if that exists, I guess.

Anonymous said...

Rosy, the morning before the murder, Davey was checking the movements of his wife to the point of "peering into the bathroom" looking for her, when she was not in her usual position. I found that alarming. It seems he might have been doing a last check to make sure she would be where she should be according to the details he provided to the killer.

Another thing that (indirectly) points to orchestration is his sheer talent for it.

Do you remember a statement by Davey where he talks about a number of increasingly bizarre coincidences -starting with a tree branch tappingonthe window, and ending in him being pinned to the bed by a ceiling fan- causing his fiery death?



Fm25 said...

Unfortunately we don't have the resources to find that kind of evidence. All we have to go on are statements and what we have pieced together from the affidavit. No one here is expecting to solve this ourselves. Can't speak for everyone but I personally just want to draw enough attention to this case and the statement analysis that has been done so that someone will take notice and investigate further. And if not then keeping davey from getting rich off the murder of his wife is good enough for me. I'd also feel a lot better if I knew that LE had taken notice of all the coincidences we have uncovered here and done a thorough investigation before clearing davey. If he didn't do it, he didn't do it. I just don't feel comfortable that a thorough investigation was done before clearing him.

Fm25 said...

Me21, davey is not Jesus Christ, he just thinks he is.

Concerned said...

Bobcat at 4:45
Thanks for the transcript.

So Davey drops the pronoun in the following quote, refusing to take ownership of the statement that he doesn't know the thugs?
That seems to be a red flag in SA, no?
" … No idea, um, who these, who these guys were..."

Bad Juju said...

noisome said...
About the burner phones; if this was an organized hit, both Davey and hitmen would have burners. It's 2016. Davey is cetainly savvy enough to have a burner, and anyone who would do a burglary-murder spree would as well. You can be sure that as soon as the crime was finished, the phone(s) was trashed.

Everything hinges on investigatory competence. We'll find out soon enough if that exists, I guess.

April 26, 2016 at 6:52 PM




Then why on earth did the "hitmen" use their regular phones multiple times during the crime ... the phones they had listed on their probation documents, no less?

Bad Juju said...

rosy said...

Nothing so far indicates how the crime was or could have been orchestrated. Plenty of psychology/personality/character; motivation; context (financial and marital failure, stress, crisis). But beyond leaving the front door unlocked, what can be alleged of how an orchestration was pulled together?

- Leaving the front door unlocked is not an essential element of an orchestrated crime. An orchestrated crime could have included a break-in.

Leaving the front door unlocked is more likely a sign of stress in the household, a symptom of carelessness and over-confidence as part of over-all denial in a failing marriage and failing career. Other signs of this denial, continuing to spend on Starbucks and fast food, taking a trip to Chicago, leading a hotel-and-restaurant trip for 10 or more to Ohio.

None of these signs or symptoms point to a method of orchestration. The only relevance I can think of is, was the trip to Ohio part of a plan to leave the house empty for a rehearsal? Nah, no evidence of that.

So where if anywhere is any evidence of orchestration at the level of method? Evidence of planning contact at the gym, or of calls or texts on burner phones, whatever?

All it would take to start establishing a method of orchestration some shred of evidence of contact with one person in the network. So far there is no such evidence on display.

We need to know how LT and gang picked their victims.

April 26, 2016 at 6:38 PM




Very early on, there was a person posting here named "Buddy" who seemed to have a lil inside info. I think he either lives in the neighborhood, works in law enforcement or knows someone who does/is. (He was run off by people acting like jerks because he thought this was a random crime. He was treated like total shit.) One thing he said is there is surveillance video (from neighbors' cameras) of the suspects casing the neighborhood in the days before Amanda's murder. Not sure if that's accurate, but he knew a couple of other details that turned out to be true. I still wonder about that. The Blackburn's neighborhood is only 2 miles off the beaten path between Alonzo's and Cheese's.

Not that it answers your question ... just thinking out loud, haha.

Bobcat said...

Concerned @7:28,

I can't say for sure if he dropped the pronoun there. It's where the video excerpt begins.

Anonymous said...

I have a big time problem with the unlocked front door - especially considering the earlier burglaries (and priors) were through back door entrances. I think it's safe to speculate they knew the front door was unlocked.

Anonymous said...

Full Video Here: https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

rosy said...

Bad Juju at 7:44 PM
Then why on earth did the "hitmen" use their regular phones multiple times during the crime ... the phones they had listed on their probation documents, no less?
=========

Interesting to know this, it slipped by me. Yes, it spells amateur. Still, is it possible, if not likely, that the "hitmen" were designated and received orders from higher-ups in their gang or network? People above Alonzo-level?

LT was a newbie, good for drunkenness, exposure, and a botched afternoon break-in (called off). He was a messed up kid. Then comes this spree of killing an unarmed man in a $10 hold up; raping a home-invasion victim, and shooting his next victim with or without rape attempt. Was he freelancing with causal buddies? Or was this supposed to be his job application for entry to a serious gang? Or was he picked as a "messed up kid," tested out on killing and rape, then let loose for a third round of violent crime?

I tend toward thinking he was NOT hand-picked by higher-ups, that on the contrary he was a walking time-bomb in his own right, a kid who brought violence with him where more seasoned gang-members would take the goods and run.

Even so, I'd like to think LE were investigating higher up the chain.

rosy said...

PS "casual" not "causal" buddies.

Hey Jude said...

Me21 at 4,22 and Anon - it was not Amber, it was Amber's husband, then boyfriend, who introduced Davey to Amanda - Davey says they wanted to marry sisters so that they could continue to hang out together.

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I've watched and read a lot of Amanda's family today - they are holding it together so well, and with such strength and dignity through such horrendous circumstances - it says much for their faith.

Hey Jude said...

I wonder if Davey recognised 'the guys' when he saw their photos. They obviously both worked out a lot. It's been suggested before he maybe knew them from the gym - is anyone able to glean from what he says if he maybe knew them? (I can't.)

Hey Jude said...

Ah, sorry, I should,have read through further before posting, as Bobcat's already on to that. This thread is moving fast.

Anonymous said...

On my local news yesterday, there was a "home invasion" caught on a home surveillance system of a woman who just walks in to an unlocked door, and steals money that the 18 year old that live there and was home, (but didn't hear anything, as he had headphones on) parents had on the night stand. It was really fishy, and lots of commenters said so.
Sure enough, today it came out that the lady was a prostitute, and the 18 y/o stole the money himself to pay her.
(Happy valley Oregon home invasion caught on tape/google).
Just reminded me of the unlocked door situation here, fishy fishy.

Hey Jude said...

Fm25 - Jesus taught his followers to pray thus: 'and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us' - it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. Davey can consciously,decide to forgive - he then is forgiving them, which benefits his own spiritual health - they are only truly forgiven if they also seek God's forgiveness. If he's involved, his forgiveness is meaningless, anyway. What would he be forgiving them for - leaving her in a more horrible condition than he'd envisaged, perhaps?

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Ah, he's a pat salesman - I almost believed he wasn't involved, at certain points, watching the interview. Upon reflection, I think he just was on his best behaviour because he was at NewSpring - at Resonate he's all aggressive and angry, because it's not Newspring, his mentor isn't watching him, and he thinks he's miles cooler than PN, so it should be growing faster than Newspring. PN is a kinder and more attractive personality than Davey - all Davey had were the looks, ambition, now he also has 'Amanda's Story' to fill the void - he comes across as something of a clanging cymbal.


Concerned said...

I keep thinking about Davey's statement on the blog about walking into what he had most feared (or something like that).
Is he saying he had feared that someone would break in and attack his wife?
Doesn't that make it all the more incredible that he would leave his dark house unlocked with his pregnant, defenseless wife and Weston inside?
That fact and lingering on the drive for so long leave me convinced of Davey's involvement. Of course, you can add the many other coincidences as well as his treatment of Amanda on video to push it over the top. And a heaping helping of Statement Analysis!

Fm25 said...

Yeah, that line of the Our Father bothers me too. I've never bought into a God that would not forgive us our sins if we do not forgive an abuser who is unrepentant. Anyhow, clearly I'm alone in that sentiment which is fine. What a great addition to his story it will be when he reaches out to and saves Amanda's murderers. Funny that it took him longer to forgive Amanda for scratching his precious grill.
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About the unlocked door: agree it's not evidence that he orchestrated the burglary, but that he isn't agonizing over that is unexpected. He never even mentions it, no remorse, nothing. He just calls it a "break-in". Would love to see that addressed in an interview as well as what he did before calling 911. Clearly he did not check on Amanda to thoroughly as he now claims he didn't realize she'd been shot. A 1st trimester miscarriage would look very different than 3 gunshot wounds.

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous said... April 26, 2016 at 8:25pm

"I have a big time problem with the unlocked front door - especially considering the earlier burglaries (and priors) were through back door entrances. I think it's safe to speculate they knew the front door was unlocked."

Concerned said. .. April 26, 2016 at 10:41pm

"Is he saying he had feared that someone would break in and attack his wife?
Doesn't that make it all the more incredible that he would leave his dark house unlocked with his pregnant, defenseless wife and Weston inside?
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The unlocked front door is HUGE - along with the fact that Davey helpfully informed IMPD that he had left the front door unlocked. He KNEW for sure that it was unlocked. It's not like it was discovered by detectives and then he was like "oh yeah, it might've been, maybe I forgot" as though it was inadvertent. He knew, and told them - and is still claiming that this was a home invasion, that someone BROKE INTO his house (HIS house, not their home), that his house had been broken into.

However it is phrased, it is untrue. "These guys" walked right in and for Davey to say anything to the contrary is covering for himself and his actions that morning.

We live in an extremely safe subdivision, yet we ALWAYS lock doors - always. It is an ingrained habit, to the point that it is instinctive. Even the door leading from the garage into the house is locked - always - whether we are home or not. If I go out of the front door into the yard and am out of sight of the door, I lock it with the keypad - because it's a habit and when we do this every. single. time. then we never have to think "did we lock the door or didn't we".

This might be overly paranoid but it works for us and there's no way whatsoever that T would leave for work and KNOW he had left the door unlocked.

So why did "these guys" cruise in through the front door on the Blackburn house, when the other sites had been entered through less-obvious/ more hidden points in the backs of the residences?

There's no way that, if this was just another *random* house they were hitting on that culdesac, they would take a chance on the exposure of walking right up to a front door and maybe finding it locked, maybe being caught on a doorbell or peephole camera, maybe encountering the homeowner pulling out of the garage.

I KNOW they knew it was going to be unlocked. And Davey leaving for the gym was an all-clear signal for them to enter and wreak havoc.


Anonymous said...

With "these guys", DB has basically confirmed a connection.

He also jabbered about starting a prison ministry, comparing himself to numerous apostles in his interview. So he'll keep "ministering" even in the clink.

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous at 7:03pm, I do remember Davey talking about that bizarre chain of events that would lead to his death - he had been watching the Final Destination movies. Those movies were masterpieces of random coincidences tying together to kill individuals in very creative ways. It is actually unbelievable and twisted for sure, the way the screenwriters came up with all of this, over and over no less (I think there were five of these films but T and I only saw the first three - and regretted it afterward every single time).

Everyone is different for sure (and no judging because we watched them, too) - but one might wonder about a pastor who would be entertained by watching innocent people die in extremely violent coincidental ways and how that would affect his life and thoughts.

flightfulbird said...

About forgiveness for the alleged killers - this is from the WTHR interview part one - notice all of the stuttering and use of "um"-

Davey said "Um, well if, [slight throat clearing] if there was. um, if I could say something to somebody who knew something I would, I would beg em to come forward, and um, share whatever information they have – um, you know, I mean we, we, we want to find whoever did this, we want um, [slight laugh] it’s such a conundrum, in our hearts we want justice, um, but Amanda lived her life – on this mission that said ‘even the unforgiveable can be forgiven’ – and um, as I’m reading through her journal and she’s saying like ‘I don’t feel this, but I believe this, and I know this to be true’ like, we try to wrestle with that, and we try to say ‘Hey’, um, ‘Jesus, help us believe, and help us forgive in the midst of all of this."

Um, I can’t honestly tell you where I’m at with that, um, but I know Amanda’s middle name was Grace [laugh] and I know that um, I know that she lived her life to see people who were the unforgiveable be forgiven, and um, see people who were the purposeless have purpose in Jesus Christ. So um, I honestly don’t know what I would say – um, I’m sure I’ll get to a place where I have to wrestle with that. You know at this point we’re, we’ve spent the last week just trying to figure out what do we, what do we do from here, you know, what is, how do we mourn, how do we grieve, how do we hug each other, how do we support each other, how do we prop each other up – and um, how do we love and shepherd little Weston, and what do we, what do we do from here? And just like her journal entry said, we don’t know what the future holds but we know who holds the future, and that’s Jesus."

The first paragraph is *this close* to what Mark Sievers said when one of his friends said she wanted to kill whoever had killed Dr Teresa Sievers by hitting her on the head with a hammer seventeen times - he said to his friend "Teresa would want you to forgive them". . .

And twice in the last paragraph he says (in the context of "trying to figure out") "what do we, what do we do from here?"

There was already a plan to follow "from there" - a playbook - and he is running it like clockwork. Capitalizing on Amanda's murder - nothing is wasted - it's all good, she's with Jesus, come to my church. The domain name registered, multiple interviews, her funeral webcast throughout the world, T shirt sales, her private journal read and tweeted/exposed for all to see, an album recorded in the mountains, and now an appearance at Newspring.

Unfortunately for him, but fortunately for us and for investigators (if they will just open their eyes and see what we see) - the Newspring appearance has exposed so many things that don't add up. It has given indication that he knew the guys - has indicated that he is not recalling the events of that morning from memory as they happened - and has once again shown that the focus is on what can be gained by Amanda's death -- not on missing her and grieving for her.

Yeah, this thread is moving fast. So is the Justice Seekers Facebook page- read the comments on the most recent link. So is Amy Smith's WatchKeep Twitter feed. More and more and more people are realizing that there is WAY more to "this story" than has previously been told or exposed.

And the more people that are made aware, the greater the chances of justice being served.

And he really actually said at Newspring that the first time he was angry was when the arrests were made and he saw the pictures of the guys? - it seems like he would've been completely blinded by anger and rage that morning when he walked in and saw Amanda "in the condition she was in" (trademark Kenneth Wagner) and realized she had been assaulted while he was away.

Hey Jude said...

Fm25 - don't take any notice of me, I don't even know what forgiveness means, in terms of forgiving someone who has committed a serious crime - especially if you don't even know them, or perhaps they are even dead. Forgiveness sounds all very cmmendable, but it seems a bit unrealistic, to me, if it's not actually applicable in any realistic sense. The prayer's nice, though - Jesus was good at setting us up for failure (well, it keeps people humble).

Yes, the belated introduction of something going terribly wrong with the pregnancy - what was it we are going to learn he saw when he walked in?

I have written pages of theory about the pregnancy - it doesn't seem right to post it, though.

Bad Juju said...

flightfulbird said...

There's no way that, if this was just another *random* house they were hitting on that culdesac, they would take a chance on the exposure of walking right up to a front door and maybe finding it locked, maybe being caught on a doorbell or peephole camera, maybe encountering the homeowner pulling out of the garage.

I KNOW they knew it was going to be unlocked. And Davey leaving for the gym was an all-clear signal for them to enter and wreak havoc.


April 26, 2016 at 11:21 PM



And yet they moseyed right into the first two places they robbed that morning, caught on camera. Of course they disabled the cameras ... after already being caught on said cameras. Geniuses.

flightfulbird said...

From Amy Smith's Twitter - a comment to the statement by LE that 911 call is not being released -

"@watchkeep something has to be in question on that 911 tape"

In the live chats back in November and December some of us were spoofing the 911 call and what it would sound like, what was said.

Maybe we were closer to the truth than we thought when we were writing "uh, yeah, I just got back from the gym - the LA Fitness on Shore Drive" (in case you want to check the surveillance tapes to prove that I was there while all of this was happening). . .

The 911 tape HAS to be key. It has to be. I know this is sounding like a broken record on my part - but all of the things Davey either said or did not say - especially the things he left out - like the fact that he had stumbled into a major crime scene - must either create a really clear picture to investigators or at least create a situation in their minds where Davey had foreknowledge and/or wanted to avoid IMPD presence for as long as possible.

And he called 911 "as soon as he could" - that statement from his blog is huge as well. Anyone would assume a 911 call would be placed as soon as he walked in. What happened between when he found Amanda and when he called - was he trying to sort out what to say - or staging - or both?

I keep thinking that there's no reason they would release multiple 911 calls in Ohio with no suspects (they wouldn't have been able to clear anyone that fast anyway) and NOT release this one after almost six months and with three alleged killers already locked up.

flightfulbird said...

Yeah Bad Juju, "these guys" weren't the sharpest pencils in the box - with their phones pinging merrily away as well.

Hey Jude said...

Flightful - that interview, the 'conundrum', the way he skirted round so many questions - he doesn't help himself. This latest is like hanging himself out to dry - he can only go on opening his mouth for so long without giving himself away; he maybe already has done so, in private - if only by enjoying his new life (or this 'season') quite so much. For everything there is a time and season - Perry Noble seems to have regarded the season of Amanda's murder to be over, last season - they have all 'moved on' so quickly.

Not a mention of Weston in 'what happened' - not much of a mention of anything.

Hey Jude said...

Coffee can just mean coffee without it having to mean anything else, can't it?

I know in the disputed instance it meant what Davey said it meant - that he'd rather have sex than coffee.

It can be a social drink, or a person can just like and drink a lot of coffee, regardless of being alone or in company. I think outside the home it is more likely to be a social drink.

flightfulbird said...

Yeah, I've read back over all of the transcripts from those initial interviews and he definitely skirts (I like that choice of words very much) around any question about why anyone would want to harm Amanda, who might've done this to her, what would you say to anyone who knew anything. He ALWAYS turns it to what Amanda would want, how all things work together for good, how Jesus will turn trash to treasure just like Amanda used to.

An example (there are many - it happens in every interview) -this is from the Good Morning America interview - he almost immediately switches gears from the question.

Interviewer: Investigators have also said there is a code of silence that may have prevented people from coming forward. Even if they have information that might help solve this crime, what do you want to tell those people who might know something about this.

Davey: Well, I mean, I , mean, we, we would beg them ta, ta, give any information that they have , uh, we would be extremely grateful for that, ya know, um (chucks his teeth), It..it’s really hard to sort thru all of the emotions of what we’re feelin’, ah, about all this, absolutely we, ya know, eh, eh, eh, we, we, we’re confused, we’re, we don’t understand why, we um, ya know there’s, we’re angry, we’re, we’re, we’re not really sure what to do but, um, well, (smiles ahh) I, I, read Amanda’s journal entry just a few days before…she journaled everyday of her life, and just a few days before she was killed, she put somethin’ in there that just spoke volumes to us that we’re deriving strength from , she said, (hands spread apart in front of him now bobbing up and down) we don’t know what the future holds but we know who holds the future, and that’s Jesus (one hand striking downward for emphasis on the word Jesus) and so..we’re, we’re drawin’ our strength from that an um, and, and, we know that Jesus holds the future and we can’t see it clearly, but she (moving hands downward to emphasize words) sees it clearly now because she’s in heaven with Jesus and we’ll, we’ll see her soon..so..um..we would just....

I: I cannot imagine..

D: Yeah


He really seems to try to quickly turn the conversations away from any talk of "who did this" or "why". And if he is really clinging to the "it was a home invasion" story, then the obvious answer when asked who would want to hurt Amanda would be that Amanda surprised a burglar, wrong place wrong time - nobody wanted to hurt her - instead of saying she didn't have an enemy in the world and how confused he is.

One more thing I find really interesting is that Davey said in more than one interview that LE hasn't given him "a ton" of information - that LE is sharing with him what they're sharing with the public. I read somewhere (on a page discussing this case) that LE will share what they know (their inside information) with the family IF they know the family is not suspected in involvement in any way.

It would be cool if this was accurate - it would almost confirm that they DO consider him to have been involved in some way.

Hey Jude said...

'Davey: Well, I mean, I , mean, we, we would beg them ta, ta, give any information that they have , uh, we would be extremely grateful for that, ya know, um (chucks his teeth)'

so - Davey and jesus 'would' beg them, and he and jesus 'would' be extremely grateful for that, ya know (need to persuade?) They would if they could but they can't so they won't...in case it might get a response which incriminated Davey (and jesus). He jumped away from that question as quickly as he was able.

I think LE have not taken their eyes off Davey - i can't believe they are not investigating him.

Me2l said...

Do all Davey's ways of telling "His Story" where he found Amanda even matter? Did he ever give a sworn statement? Wouldn't it only matter if he gave another statement to LE and contradicted his first statement during questioning?

Me2l said...

My entire life, I've heard many preachers from the pulpit say "we" when referring to themselves. I never have understood it, but for preachers (as opposed to pastors), it's not an unusual way of speaking.

Anonymous said...

Me2l,

You might have run into a number of false preachers.

Me2l said...

Haha.

Many are. I'm Southern Baptist, from the south, where there is a Baptist church on every corner.

I think the use of "we" by those preachers/evangelists is ego-based, especially judging by their overall demeanor, much like the Davey ego.
None of them were involved in murder, however.

Hey Jude said...

Bad JuJu at 12.09 - That they were so casual, and likely knew they had been caught on camera before they disabled them - that might suggest they thought they were just a'burgling, and even if they'd been sent to Davey and Amanda's they might still have thought they were just burgling, until they walked in and saw Amanda on the floor. If it was a hit, If they went to murder Amanda, would they have walked up to the front door? Sometimes I think it really was a random burglary which went wrong - other times that the 'spree' which led to Amanda's mirder was embarked upon to hide that Amanda was the 'real' target - or it could be that someone knew and had a grudge against Davey, which worked out to his advantage. Except for his lack of fear, lack of concern for Weston, and all the coincidences, too many - especially the unlocked front door, Davey sitting in the driveway, and the Wagner tweet. Plus he wasn't a nervous, vomiting wreck - no outrage - even if he didn't love Amanda, he should still have been outraged at what was done to her, the mother of his child, and it's just not there.

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I don't know those movies with all the coincidences - some crimes are inspired by movies, though. Davey seems to like drama, or 'a bit of chaos'. Interesting.

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In Amanda's funeral service, a guy thanks God, at the beginning, for 'orchestrating our lives'. Leaking his suspicions, maybe, round the orchestration of Amanda's murder. I don't get the prayer, or the theology. To me, it's at best misguided to suggest that God 'orchestrates' murder.

Bobcat said...

DB is a master planner. He even blogged, years ago, about how hard it was to delegate, even when hundreds of details needed to come together. He really does get into the details that other might not even notice.

Picture his church as a theater set. He has a set design, lighting, costumes, props, powerpoints, markers boards, stage setters, cues, a band, guest services, baptism pools, towels, videography, photography etc. etc. etc. The entire thing is his baby. Not only that but the entire church is MOBILE which involves load-ins and load-outs every week. I've noticed the small touches in watching his sermons. He changes the lighting to compliment his wardrobe. He changes his wardrobe to coordinate with backdrops. He wears a matching watch.

DB is ALL about the details, and is a rapid speaking, non-stuttering preacher. Which makes his stammering and stuttering and total avoidance of details when answering questions about the event, and forgiveness of "these guys" all the more glaring.

lynda said...

Davey said,

" You’re, you’re never gonna feel like forgiving somebody, for doing something to you, um, that, that is irreparable, um, y-, you know, and, and so no matter what the degree of it is, you’re just not gonna feel it"

________________________________

What they did to HIM is not irreparable, what they did to Amanda IS. Davey again brings it back to himself instead of Amanda. They did it to HER..not him.

I am mind boggled, gob smacked, slack-jawed, whatever you want to name it, about Davey saying he thought something went wrong with the pregnancy when he found her. What?? Seriously? People are actually buying this? What could possibly go wrong with a pregnancy that would leave a wound/hole in her back and head. Is he deluded? Is he attempting to explain why he waited to call 911? If I am correct, this is the first time he stated that Amanda was still breathing on her own when he came in? Were Davey's clothes covered in blood? He was in scrubs when the cops finally showed up at the hospital. Did they confiscate the clothes he had on when he got to the hospital?

Concerned said...

The stuttering, oh my!
Peter, would you speak to that here using Statement Analysis?
Davey seems to nudge right up to that stuttering limit where he should be hospitalized!

During many years of studying and practicing public speaking I have learned how important it is not to over use "um" and its variations. Did Davey not major in Communications where this would have been emphasized?
I have to wonder who on earth ever encouraged him to make a career of public speaking.

Add his lack of speaking skills to his warped knowledge of Holy scripture and you get the world's least likely preacher.
Some would say he has charisma but I don't even see that.
What will he do to support himself when the donations dry up and New Spring pulls its support? I wonder.

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn

"Train for the trial you're not yet in."

He's practicing his lies.

Bad Juju said...

In reference to statements that the only explanation for withholding the 911 call is that it implicates Davey (I said this multiple times in the last thread):

911 calls made by someone who A) did not murder the victim and B) didn't know what happened at the time of the call are frequently used in trials as evidence against the accused. I could give many examples, but a recent case that comes to mind is the April Millsap murder (which also included an attempted sexual assault). The call was not released until trial, and the caller did not witness the murder or see the murderer, etc ... he only knew he found a body.



Also, Ohio (which released the call from the recent shootings) is not Indiana. State laws vary. Florida, for instance, due to its Sunshine Laws, will release a slew of evidence early-on that other states will release later or not at all.

The provisions of these laws vary considerably by state.[8] Florida, Ohio, and Vermont are known for having pro-access freedom of information laws. Florida was one of the first states to enact an open government sunshine law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_in_the_United_States



While it's possible the 911 call is being withheld because it incriminates Davey, it's equally possible it has nothing to do with that. I know many people are banking on it, but insisting that's the only possible reason ... and saying it over and over and over ... doesn't make it so.

Sporty mom said...

Davy keep talking. The cabinet has been opened and the Marbels are rolling around everywhere. Hopefully the right people are watching and following his social media.

Fm25 said...

Me2l said...
Do all Davey's ways of telling "His Story" where he found Amanda even matter? Did he ever give a sworn statement? Wouldn't it only matter if he gave another statement to LE and contradicted his first statement during questioning?
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Me21, what do you mean does it even matter if he changes his story about finding Amanda? Of course it matters. He did give a statement to the police at hospital in which he mentions the swisher sweets on counter and credit cards thrown about. I don't know if he's given a sworn statement. But yeah, obviously changing his story is significant and something that warrants discussion. Innocent people just don't do that. Why would they if they have nothing to hide?

Fm25 said...

And sworn statement or not, all of his statements would be admissible in a court of law.

Me2l said...

That's what I meant.....if he contradicts himself, wouldn't it matter more if he was contradicting a sworn statement?

Bingo3 said...

One thing that stuck out to me in his crazy, rolled up pants, on the stage of a game set interview last Sunday was this statement: "I, I, basically, she, she, she was still breathing and I went and I said, man this is really bad, but if we can get just get her to the hospital, she’s going to be OK."
Ok, so DB thinks something went wrong with the pregnancy but then says "She was still breathing." I would think he would be apt to say, "I thought it was the pregnancy but then I realized she was barely breathing and it was bad but I knew if we could get her to the hospital, she would be ok." I think that was some leakage and I think it was an "Oh Crap!" moment when he found that she was still alive. That immediately didn't settle well with me when it came out. Also, why absolutely never a mention about the front door being unlocked. It could be a good platform for him to try to help people safety wise! Since he is doing all of this just so he can help people deal with loss.(yeah, right!) Some people would never have to deal with loss if they take the right safety measures. If they door had been locked and Amanda heard someone breaking in, she may have had time to call 911 or run for safety. Davey, if you really wanted to help people, talk about the importance of keeping your family safe with basic things such as locking your door! But I guess that wouldn't get you the fame and fortune you are experiencing right now.

flightfulbird said...

Bingo3, I also think he was NOT expecting her to be breathing/alive when he walked in.

flightfulbird said
"The 911 tape HAS to be key. It has to be. I know this is sounding like a broken record on my part - but all of the things Davey either said or did not say - especially the things he left out - like the fact that he had stumbled into a major crime scene - must either create a really clear picture to investigators or at least create a situation in their minds where Davey had foreknowledge and/or wanted to avoid IMPD presence for as long as possible."

I posted the above comment last night about the 911 call and I agree that my language is very insistent and decisive when discussing it, for I feel very strongly that what was said and not said is the reason that IMPD did not roll until IFD Engine 12 arrived at the Blackburn residence, saw the scene and then requested them to respond.

Because it is part of an ongoing investigation, the 911 call is being withheld right now. It is fortunate (to say the least) that what was said and not said on it that morning will be unaltered and on the record forever. There will be no possibility of retracting - no changing of words - no confusing of situations or thoughts about what was seen, as happened in Davey's NewSpring talk last Sunday.

Three different residences that morning were allegedly hit by the same group of “guys". . . one of these things is not like the other. . . one of these things just doesn’t belong. I believe the language in the Affidavit for Probable Cause is very specific about what was said on the 911 calls that morning. I believe the language demonstrates the intentions of the residents and who they expected and WANTED to respond when they called for help.

- continued next post -

flightfulbird said...

- continued from above post -

From pages 13 and 14 of the Affidavit for Probable Cause -

At 5:23 A.M., November 10, 2015, Jacola Searsbrook called 911 to report a burglary of her apartment at 5756 San Clemente Drive. Officer Thomas Aguilar responded to take a report.

Entry to the apartment was made by cutting the porch screen and opening the unlocked sliding door.


At 8:16 A.M. November 10, 2015, Allison Becker called 911 to report a burglary of her home at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. Officer Elise Torres responded to make the report.

Entry was made to the residence by tearing through the patio screen window and unlocking the deadbolt to the patio door.


At 8:22 A.M., November 10, 2015, David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court.
Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene. At 8:30 A.M., IFD 12 requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault.

Blackburn stated that he left the front door unlocked when he left.


Both of the first two residents, upon realizing someone/an intruder had been inside their home, called 911 and reported a burglary - and POLICE OFFICERS responded. David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife injured and unconscious - and IFD ENGINE 12 / EMTs responded.

Amanda’s injuries (three gunshot wounds, lower lip split, scratches on her face, tooth knocked out) were clearly not the result of a simple fall or an aneurysm (or related to her pregnancy - oh please). Her shirt was pulled up and her underwear had been removed. Furniture was displaced - earphones and duct tape and credit cards were scattered on the floor.

Whether or not Davey knew Amanda had gunshot wounds, whether he noticed the bullet holes in the stairs or not - when he found Amanda lying in blood, even with only the facial injuries and the things scattered about, there’s absolutely no way he could NOT know that someone/an intruder had been inside HIS home. Davey also reported to Detective Perkins that the Swisher Sweets cigar package should not be in their residence.

So - it seems logical that an individual encountering such a scene, KNOWING someone had been inside his home and *might* still be inside, would want police protection / investigation as well as medical.

How would he know, when he walked in, whether whoever did this to Amanda was still upstairs or in the garage? Wouldn’t Davey have wanted a crime scene investigation as well as paramedics - to find out who did this to his wife?

The medical situation would be the first priority but it’s not like it would’ve delayed the EMT response if he had told the operator that his wife was on the floor in a pool of blood and he could tell someone have assaulted her, that someone hasd been there. Why did only Engine 12 respond at first, and IMPD only responded once Engine 12 requested them? I will believe forever that it is because not a single one of these other observations were indicated to the 911 operator.

I would like to give the 911 operator/dispatcher the benefit of the doubt that if they had all of this information and a clear picture of what Davey walked into, they would've absolutely rolled IMPD.

This might not be THE reason that the 911 call is being withheld - but I believe it makes sense that this could be A reason.

flightfulbird said...

Davey is going to milk this "forgiving these guys" thing for all it's worth - I watched some of the video from Newspring today and this thing he said (among others) bugs me - he actually said people might be sitting there thinking he’s incredible. It’s a whole story - wife is brutally murdered but the grieving husband pastor rises above it, forgives the killers and witnesses to them and brings them to faith in God.

https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

start watching at 30:20
"And so, I just didn’t want to be eaten up by unforgiveness and bitterness. And honestly, Perry, ah, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna. . . don’t sit there and be like man, he’s incredible. . I have NO CLUE - but where the Lord has me on my journey right now, the people he's placed in my life, the stories that I’ve heard of people who have gone through um even. .bigger tragedies than I have and who have done that very thing, it inspired me to say truly NOTHING IS WASTED."

"Can you imagine, imagine this - imagine if these three guys met Jesus. K? Imagine the kick in the nuts it would be for the enemy (clapping and cheering). I’m just sayin …."

This part of his speech was very smooth, no fidgeting or stuttering. The difference is so clear between this part and the part where he was describing finding Amanda and changing his version of what happened from what he told detectives and was written in the affidavit. Once he’s into “all things work together for good” mode, it’s very fluid and controlled - but he is stuttering and saying “um” and looking all over the place when he describes the morning of November 10th.

He must not realize that people have read his statements, transcribed his interviews and are comparing what he says back to everything he has said before. For a narcissist, this would be like crack. I can’t imagine that he would say he had no idea anyone had been in his house and that the blood from Amanda’s injuries to her left arm, upper back and back of skull/head were something that looked to him like something had gone horrifically wrong with her pregnancy. Seriously ?

rosy said...

New post on home page:
Davey Blackburn Publicity and Book Deal

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