Friday, May 6, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Ideology Part Two


Ideology is the basis for culture.  You may not ascribe to the ideology, but you have been greatly influenced by its outworking; that is, by culture. 

Your language reflects this. 

You have a culture in your nation.  You also have a culture in your home, at your place of work, along with any religious or social societies of which you belong.  

There are some cases in which the ideology, itself, is a direct and powerful influence upon the language, more so than just the culture.  

In understanding language, the culture is important.  In understanding the culture, the ideology should be, in the very least, something the analyst is familiar with.  

In the Amanda Blackburn murder, I am preparing analysis on the ideology and the culture and it is important but I have a very different reason for doing so than most might consider. 

I have reported many times regarding Islamic crime, but I rarely post articles (and teachings) about the contextual work within Statement Analysis.  Much of it is too complex for casual reading, and is part of a much larger teaching, point by point, element by element, in which the student is presented with a statement that has obvious cultural reference points where he or she must counter our own cultural bias and projection, in order to the get to the truth.  In the criminal activity in Europe, it is important to understand the ideology first, the culture next, and how this is thus reacted to by the host nation.  Generally, projection is first noted, but when this fails, deception enters to protect the narrative.  

It is complex, which means that it takes much to cover; far more than in a blog, but also it becomes something often misunderstood, which I have learned from some 'rebuttal' posts over the years. 

"Well, if you are saying this is cultural, than that means that in this other case..."

These "other cases" that are cited are often very simple cases where guilt is indicated, but the emotions run high.  It is as if to search for a reason why the analysis can't be right.  

Statement Analysis is very complex, and its simplest forms are posted here on the blog. They serve their purposes, including inspiring some to dedicate themselves to obtaining knowledge.   Those who do not grow beyond the blog cannot put their name on analysis for very long:  the first error will be the last and credibility is lost and the science indicted.  This was the result of the UK testing I have cited in the past.  Yet speak to one who has studied at length and listen to the confidence he or she shows in solving any case where human communication is not hindered, and then move on to the actual track record.  

It is impressive.  

I am privileged to work with professionals from all walks of life, who share a desire for truth.  Narrative trumps truth for many today, but not among the professional analysts.  They don't "have a dog in the fight" but if they feel they have a 'puppy', they readily talk about it, seeking to counter its influence.  

All of us 'root' for one thing or another, including a belief that this sports hero, or that politician will 'save the day.'  

It is also unpleasant when one is seen as deceptive. 

I recall an email I received years ago from a well educated, polite and respectful gentleman who happened to be a baseball fan who's love of the game is intense. 

He read my analysis of Ryan Braun's denial of PEDs.

He thought that Ryan Braun was "very persuasive" and used so many terms to "really prove" how he did not put a needle of hormones in his rear end. 

Mr. Braun's denial has become part of the "101 teaching" that is useful in introducing principle, and leading analysts to conclusions. 

His denial was goofy.  

It was, technically, "unreliable", which does not mean "deception indicated" for us.  

In his denial was embedded information, including that his PEDs were administered via needle, not some 'random infestation of Mexican or Chinese beef'; the latest excuse in professional sports.  

The statement, in its entirety, revealed one who:

a.  Used PEDs
b.  Had a tremendous need to persuade
c.  Cared about his reputation
d.  Had used, likely, for quite some time
e.  Was willing to not stop talking until the audience gave in;

but there was something else his statement and subsequent statements showed.  

It showed a willingness to bring harm to others, even if only castigating a Fedex employee.  

It may seem to be minor ("only") but the man who made $46,800 salary to support his family has lost far more than Braun's weekly paycheck of $46,800 during his suspension.  Consider the devastation for one to lose his job in this case, or in the attacks of Lance Armstrong where he sought to (and succeeded in some degrees) to destroy men and their entire businesses.  He sought to destroy one woman by impugning her reputation as a woman.  It was cruel, petty and it also revealed his own depths of just how low he would go, instinctively, to protect himself.  He called the Irish masseur a "whore" to the public, which included everyone in her field of employment (athletics) and it is unknown how this impacted 

This is a personality trait of a habitual liar; not a panic or embarrassed liar.  

The habitual liar is a life long deceiver, who learned early in childhood years, that he, himself, is more important than anyone else in the world.  He has honed his craft his entire life and it is now instinctive for him.  In any day by day situation, it is not his impulse to, for example, put others first before him.  This is the element of 'sacrifice' inherent in all societies:  one sacrifices, or one is sacrificed due to the inequality and complexity of life.  

The habitual or "pathological liar" will, whenever called upon, harm others to protect self.  At times, this desire to harm one who dares question, or who actually contradicts (such as a witness) is realized with action.  Sometimes the action is civil, other times it is in the form of a threat, intended to intimidate, frighten, or even coerce its target. Sometimes the action is violent.  But there is another element that is important in advanced analysis and profiling, to consider:  

Sometimes, this action of harm was not even necessary in the overall case, elevating the emotional demand for some form of 'satisfaction' over the insult.  

In interviewing pathological liars, it seems that no payment is enough.  They do not feel 'full' or 'complete' and the animosity may go underground (passive aggressive) and the need to insult remains.  This is sometimes evident in the words of praise:  a touch of vinegar masqueraded by a strong intellect. 

It was for revenge, and the emotional satisfaction the liar receives in seeing what he calls "justice."  It is not justice.  

Liars will emotionally bristle, for years, over those who dared disagree with them.  They harbor, nurture, and protect this bitterness, even as it may be taking years off their own lifespan, as something of great value. 

You lie. 

I lie.

We feel it, within, and have a need to "make things right." Sometimes this desire to make things right even takes years where we have put it out of our mind, but something arises and we feel a need to straighten that which our tongue made crooked.  This is a reflection from childhood. 

It is precisely what I use to protect companies against illicit claims.  

We cannot project this childhood lesson upon others lest we err in our final analysis and leave ourselves, the company, or the public at large, at serious risk. 

The liar lies, and he, too,  also has a need to "make things right" but not as you and I do.  He needs to 'even the score' or 'balance the books.'

Why?

Because the insult of not being believed is more than just an insult; it is an insult that brings him right back to childhood, and it strikes at the core of his very being. 

You have not disagreed with what he said:  you have exhaustively condemned who he is, as a human being. 

You and I do not 'hear' what he hears and with this in mind, consider the ancient proverb that talks of those who do not sleep unless they have brought trouble to someone. 

In the murder of Amanda Blackburn, the language of the victim's husband has not only been cited for deception, but noted for its bizarre nature.  Simply put, it is not expected for a grieving husband to use such distancing language from his wife that it appears "extreme", just as it is most unexpected for someone, in any field, to talk about 'business success' above and beyond linguistic concern for the two victims of this brutal murder.  

Religious Context 

Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism joined to religious language. 

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between ideology and personal gain.  

It will take some time to reach this point, and some effort on the part of readers to wade through detail.  I recognize that as a "blog", the expectation is short and to the point.  In this case, I think the high level of interest and emotions (note the length of sentences within the comments) justifies the content.  

This is what I hope to get readers to consider:

When one knows the truth of an ideology but deliberately treats it with deception ("deception" must include intent; as error or inaccuracy doesn't necessitate deception) for a discernible purpose, this activity reveals a very specific personality trait.  

When it is coupled with a strong intellect, it is even more pronounced. 

Without grasping this clash,  or contradiction, one will not understand the 'why' of the language in this murder case.  The theme of the upcoming article is this very thing:  what type of personality does it take to know the truth, and deliberately alter, edit, destroy, imbalance, or even negate, for a singular purpose, publicly, employing all of his skills and energy to do so?

Although this will be addressed in detail, it is not about legitimate differences and arguments among those who genuinely seek the truth.  

It is a pragmatic lie that is distinctly deceptive and it is for a singular purpose, and this purpose is employed publicly.  

For this classification, these elements must be present:

1.  Direct Knowledge
2.  Purposeful goal (pragmatism with resolve)  
3.  Very Strong Intellect 
4.   Courage, or element of fearlessness; not easily discouraged
5.   Unyielding position
6.  Public stance (which allows for public challenge).  This is important because any pragmatic view can be adopted without being challenged.  Consider what politicians have done the last few years when caught, hypocritically going directly against their words previously embraced.  Instead of being in the spotlight and being condemned as a hypocrite, they are praised.  Why?

"My position evolved."

This leaves one with no reference point, ever, for anyone, on any issue.  

With the element of religious ideology, it takes a very specific personality type to stand before public scrutiny and use deception.  

As we look at the ideology first, the deception second, and the results of the deception, we see a personality type emerge for us.  We take this with us as we analyze the words within the murder case to learn:

Do the words affirm this type?
Do the words deny this type?
Are the words indifferent?

With this answer, we then move on to the final analysis and conclusion. 

It gives a large portrait, yes, but more importantly, it allows the truth seeker to enter the shoes of the subject and understand his verbalized perception of reality in a much deeper and accurate manner.  

That which appears 'mysterious' loses some of the 'unknown' when the ideology conflict is recognized.  

It rectifies much for the listener.  

It is worth the study.  




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lynda said...

This is going to be a tough one. There's going to be a lot to learn here.

mom2many said...

I'm struggling to understand the concepts here. There is a lot of speaking around the topic, which I hope will be clarified in the next article. You begin with various cultures we are all exposed to, and discuss the liar's point of view, and religious context. Does an habitual liar have an ideology of his own? Is that the language we need to enter into? Is the religious element a veneer or smokescreen that we should dig beyond? Or is it that we need to enter into the religious context to understand where the deception enters?

"When one knows the truth of an ideology but deliberately treats it with deception ..." This is the part I am most confused by. Who is determining "the truth of an ideology?" Do you mean the person falsely presents or represents a given ideology, which the person has claimed as his own?

As an analyst, we should not be asserting whether the ideology of the subject is true in itself, but how it affects the subject's worldview, language, et al. Correct?

I am holding on with baited breath that my confusion will be resolved on the next article. I'm not sure I can even articulate all the questions I have from this one.

I appreciate your blog as an incredible resource beyond simply statement analysis, but also on human psychology, personality, cultural awareness, and world news. Thank you for presenting such a wide range of topics.

Anonymous said...

Does DB believe in Christianity? Or is he using it as a career? And a path to fame & wealth?

Captain Obvious said...

Does DB believe in Christianity? Or is he using it as a career? And a path to fame & wealth?


Let's see...

"We" like Christianity and "we" no like Davey Blackburn, so...

No, Yes, and Yes

Next?

Peter Hyatt said...

Captain Obvious.

it is a valid question to ask.

The answer may prove to be part of the case.

Anonymous said...

It mustn't be so obvious to the many supporters in Indy & SC....

Anonymous said...

I look forward to the lesson.

Fm25 said...

its always interesting to read your analysis and definitely grounds me and reminds me how little I actually know about this field! I do appreciate the picture of Amanda by herself, reminder that she is the one this is all about.

Anonymous said...

I seriously wanted to puke. This on his facebook page.

Hey friends! First, thank you for your prayers and encouragement over the past 5 months. Due to the large number of friend requests and messages that I have received, I have decided that it’s time to shut down my personal Facebook page and start a fan page so that I can keep all of you updated more easily.

Anonymous said...

Like I said before here, message to women: Do NOT marry a man whose career-identity is "Man of God". If your man is an actual man of God, no worries. BUT if he is a shyster Man of God (clue: he does it for money and/or glory and/or fame), do NOT marry him. Instead, RUN!!! P.S. This is because being married to a shyster professional "Man of God" puts you in a position where "God" might decide that it's time for Him to take you back home to Heaven, or "God" might decide that you are to give your life in order to "Grow the Church", or "God" might simply decide that your "season has ended". DANGER DANGER!!!!

Anonymous said...

An honest divorce is out of the question, because the Man of God preaches "One man, one wife, for life." So there's only one way out of that.

Lis said...

This lesson is SO GOOD. Peter, you totally get liars. I am excited to read the rest of this series and learn more.

The habitual or "pathological liar" will, whenever called upon, harm others to protect self. At times, this desire to harm one who dares question, or who actually contradicts (such as a witness) is realized with action.

I learned this lesson at 3 years old.

Anonymous said...

A few weeks ago, I randomly found The show "The Shift" on youtube while searching for the show "Web of Lies" (there was an episode called that).
It is much like the first 48, but all based in Indianapolis.
I only watched the one show, but it shows the murders these homicide detectives are used to working with, theft, gangs etc.
My question is this: Did the fact they are so used to gang related murders have anything to do with clearing D.B. so quickly?
Also, I tried to look at the probable cause docs, and gave up, I was pretty sure a guy "kelly" was one of the detectives working on this case, he was on the show. Anyways..

Lis said...

OT (sort of)

Meanwhile, Brandon Bevers has spoken out about his wife’s death – and said is continuing to co-operate with police and has found strength in this difficult time by turning to God.

'If it wasn't for me leaning on God as heavily as I am right now, OK, there is no way — I would be melted just into this asphalt,’ he told NBC.

'There is no way the Brandon Bevers before this would be standing here today without me leaning on God, and His word and His direction, like, I find peace in it. It's very comforting. I obtain wisdom from it.'

Peter Hyatt said...

Did he really write "fan page" about himself??

rjb said...

Yes, Peter, he did.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1187340547945000&id=1187322304613491

Anonymous said...

Regarding the photo here at top of post. Obviously before marriage or early in marriage. He looks like a kid, and while she is smiling for camera, he is leering at her behind. In honeymoon photos, he referred to her as "a beautiful girl", and then years later said something about "when I go to kiss her, her face morphs into her father's face".

rosy said...

Anonymous at 7:05 PM

Yes he does look like a kind. But what makes you say he's "leering at her" or "leering at her behind"? He's looking down. The person behind him is gazing off across the room. This is a Christmas snapshot, not a formal photo. He may not have been aware it was being taken. He's looking down at something on the floor or on his lap. Uninterested in the photo being taken of Amanda. What's interesting is how generously Amanda responds to the photographer.

rosy said...

Oops, I meant, yes, as you say, he looks like a KID.

Leslie said...

We shouldn't be shocked that DB is planning a facebook fan page yet, I was. A couple of weeks ago he posted a picture/quote with these words on instagram that said:

Sometimes God
allows a season
of humbling into
your life to prime
you for a season
of promotion.

Facebook fan pages are to promote businesses, artists, products, brands, and public figures.

Leslie said...

Davey's quote, above, is also posted on Twitter on April 19.

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Lis said...

From http://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/15-benefits-having-fan-page-over-personal-page-facebook

15 Benefits Of Having A Fan Page [vs a personal page] On Facebook

1. Unlimited Friend Count

2. You Have The Option To Keep Your Personal Life Private(-ish)

3. Search Engine Results

4. Tagging Your Brand

5. Facebook Insights

7. Facebook Contests

8. Profiles Look Like You Don't Know What's Going On

9. Advertising

10. Admin Connections

11. Check-Ins & Location Services

12. Promoted Posts

13. Showcase The Other Pages You Like

14. Newsfeed Marketing

15. Comment As Your Brand

Lis said...

Leslie- a season of *promotion*? really?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore but wow...

Bad Juju said...

I don't understand No. 8: "Profiles Look Like You Don't Know What's Going On," haha.

Leslie said...

Yes, Davey's had a "season of promotion" ever since Amanda's murder, if not before. But, WHEN was his "season of humbling"? I missed that.

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Anonymous said...

Yes. A fan page...Screaming young girls and lots of people who claim to be a Christian but don't read the whole Bible. I'm guessing he takes the "plans to prosper" verse to mean God plans for Davy to prosper. The Bible is not about us. It is about God. UGGGG bang my head on the wall

Anonymous said...

Cant wait for you to start looking at the Missy Bevers case!

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Leslie @ 8:12 PM May 6, 2016

I'd venture to say his season of "humbling" (in Davey's eyes) was when all his pastor friends' Churches and ministries were growing exponentially and Resonate had 45-50 people. his response was to "faith" their way into a 900 seat auditorium (someone had to have fronted or continually fronted rent money for that each month, IMO). Davey's peers Kenneth Wagner (SWU roomate), Brad Cooper, and other NewSpring trainees had churches that were flourishing. Davey was having a hard time getting return customers/owners to "invest" (hence the steady stream of promotions and publicity stunts, coupled with the you're not doing enough for God/faith requires sacrifice/are you fully surrendered spiel). In Davey-speak, Amanda's death was a promotion for him and for her (God-planned and perfect timing financially and Weston-wise).

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Thinking out loud here about Davey's comment about having difficulty kissing Amanda at times because her face morphed into his father-in-laws. Thinking about Peter's comments from the Part 1 post and this new one too. I'm not an SA expert by far. LOL I am curious about why people are the way they are though and find SA fascinating.

I wonder if Davey was expressing a growing conflict within himself at the part he was forced to play- Man of God. I suspect that early on Davey saw playing Christian as a way to manipulate others for his gain (gaining respect/admiration at his "devotion", etc.). I also suspect, in reality, that he's likely contemptuous of Christianity and Christians and views them simply as a means to a financial and famous end. Moreover, there's something about being able to manipulate and control others that seems to appeal to him (arrogance, duper's delight, etc.). IMO, he's very good at reading vulnerability in other people and using it to his advantage.

He's played devoted Christian athlete, promoted to devoted Youth Pastor, promoted to committed Pastor part...in hopes of achieving financial success and a realm of influence like his mentor Perry Noble. The problem is he's forced himself into a cage, tied up with lots of strings and worries he never anticipated or considered. I suspect it's his growing contempt for Christianity that we see leaking in the Love Song videos. Amanda was the up-close, daily personal representation. His contempt for Christianity is what compelled him to mock her. Her every journal entry, wholehearted devotion, and genuine faith served to highlight who he really was. Amanda, with her sincere faith, was indeed like her father (whom I'd venture to say Davey likely secretly holds in contempt). We saw that contempt openly in Davey's insulting microphone power grab at Phil Byars church. Davey could not contain it as he literally interrupted an altar call ministry moment to upstage and demote Phil. Davey could not stand to be sitting in his father-in-law's successful church, seeing Phil minister and surrounded by people who respected him, and seeing people respond to Phil's ministering. To say Davey was jealous of Phil is putting it mildly. I'm sure Amanda did remind Davey of Phil. Just my opinions based on what I've read of his sermons, blog posts and watched of his sermons and interviews.

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rosy said...

Foolsfeedonfolly

You hit the spot with contempt, even to the degree "that he's likely contemptuous of Christianity and Christians." Counselors point to contempt as highly destructive in marriage. Beyond marriage, it's deadly in a church because it destroys the core value of Christianity, love.

Perhaps this is what "killed" his desire for Amanda. She and her father and others in their family had/have what he lacks, genuine love for others.

You suggest he views Christians "simply as a means to a financial and famous end." I'd say, he views everyone and everything - people, animals, objects - as objects which he can use as means to power. More than anything else he cares about a certain type of power. As ima.grandma puts it, "his power position."

For DB, power involves being looked at and listened to, attracting attention like a magnet, achieving the status of an icon. The number of times he says "look" and "listen" in his sermons is symptomatic. He disrupts his own sentences over and over to "grab" attention. Like his continual change of outfits, his verbal patterns disclose a hunger to have people looking at and listening to him.

He craves and abuses the power of charisma.

That he could turn what he does toward making a lot of money may have dawned on him only gradually. As a student, judging from his blog, he was more anxious about debt than expecting riches. More than greed for money, I think he has a primal need for other people's attention.

Does he also have a primal contempt for anyone who gives him the attention he needs? Or for anyone who simply doesn't react to him on that level? Maybe both.

Anonymous said...

If DB does harbor contempt for the church could it be the result of possible sexual abuse from within the church? Or how the church views homosexuality? Or even masculinity?

Just conjecture. I somehow want this to make sense.

AP

John mcgowan said...

Next stop - Merchandising !

Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cant wait for you to start looking at the Missy Bevers case!


I second that.

Leslie said...

Foolsfeedonfolly, thank you for your thoughts at 8:12 on what Davey probably considers his "season of humbling." Thinking of his entitled attitude or personality, they make a lot of sense. From what I've read since Amanda's murder, he certainly has not, and does not ACT humble, as far as his demeanor or countenance. Thus, my confusion.

I'm still floored that he announced he'll be starting a fan page. I predict an announcement of his book will be forthcoming.

Fm25 said...

Yes to this! I was thinking the same, that he is contemptuous of Christianity, but for some reason struggled putting it to words. Amanda was sincere in her faith and I think Davey was contemptuous of her relationship with God. I felt that way in particular reading his blog entry "I loved her First". I felt it was almost mocking her faith in asking "why God didn't protect her that day". He put the plans in motion but her God could have saved her if He wanted to and didn't.

Fm25 said...

Davey's "fan page" has almost 5k likes but few comments on each post. One has 40 but the rest are under 10 each. His "admin" must spend a lot of time deleting those that are not favorable. He even has a disclaimer about deleting inappropriate comments in the "about" section.

Leslie said...

Oh, it looks like his personal facebook page and posts were just converted into his fan page:

https://www.facebook.com/blackburndavey/

I had to snicker when I read this under the "About" tab, in "personal information":

"This is the only Facebook profile for Davey Blackburn. Any other fan pages or personal accounts are not authentic.

If you encounter another "Davey Blackburn" impersonating this page through a friend request, message or chat on Facebook please copy the link of that page and report/block that user."

There are other people named Davey Blackburn in the world, and on facebook....

tania cadogan said...

I think a mistake a lot of people are making regarding davey and resonate is thinking of it as a christian church.

It isn't.

It is a business, a business selling god, jesus and the bible.

It is like every other prosperity style 'church'
The only people who prosper and the guys running it.

His 'church' is being marketed just like a business, if you do this or give that you will be richly rewarded.

Davey has his eye on the big prize, he wants to be pastor of a mega church.
Perry has it all the money, the house, the cars and thousands of 'followers'
he wants what he sees others having, the big house, the private jet, the cars, the fame.

Such business are not about selling christianity.
They aren't about getting people to love one another (unless you are the pastor in which case love everybody and not in the biblical sense)

God, jesus and christianity become the afterthought, it is all about the pastor.
It is all about having thousands of people hanging on your every word, people who will do anything you say, will do anything you ask them to do if it means they are seen as favored by the pastor.

The pastor is really the CEO,out to make the business as successful as possible and to make as much profit as possible for minimum outlay

We see this in daveys language when he has personal conversations with god in the shower ( i have an adult vision here and i can visualize him calling out to god at the appropriate moment)

He is really god in his own eyes.

Davey is currently running a franchise and not a very good one at that.
Davey wants what he sees the big guys having, he wants it without actively working for it.

Why work hard at a business when, if a shocking event happens, you get all the rewards, the fame, the tv exposure and the only effort needed is to look sad and maybe the occasional tear and wheel out the motherless son.

He has told us his plans, his involvement, his desire to be rid of Amanda, especially when she fell pregnant with their second child.
The subtle and not so subtle demeaning in public telegraphed his intent.
He may not have pulled the trigger, he may not have killed her directly, his intent and scorn were broadcast for the world to see both before and since.
I wouldn't be surprised if he hired someone via a third party, i wouldn't be surprised if a follower saw Amanda as holding back their pastor, being unhelpful, a hindrance and decided to release him from the restraints of marriage.
Perhaps even a lover who was promised davey was not having sex with his wife, was going to get a divorce and they could be together and then learned davey lied and baby #2 was on the way.
It wouldn't be the first or last time a lover has done away with the partner of the one they love to free their lover to be with them.

He mentions having his internet history monitored , which screams of dirty secrets otherwise it would not have been needed.
For him it is sex, porn.
He openly boasted that there were apps to get round it, which shocked his wife.

Davey is running a business.
He is selling hope, prosperity, all good things.
Most importantly for us and for davey is:

Davey is selling himself.

We see the tight clothes, the perfect smile, the carefully styled hair, the muscles which even had his mentor swooning (really?)

He has a time limit set by nature.
Each year that passes, it becomes harder to maintain the image.
Plastic surgery then becomes the norm except it is expensive, very expensive.

Only when he has the thousands of followers, the flash car etc can he then relax a little bit and grow old gracefully.
He wants everything now or even better yesterday and for no effort.

His business will fail because he believes his own spiel.
His business will fail because it will become all about worshiping davey.

The people he has now will drift away, they come only to see the freak show.
They want to hear what shocking things he will say next.

tania cadogan said...

cont.


He has now moved on to having a fan club, is this what he will use from now on rather than a congregation?

If you want davey to talk,and talk he will.
Appeal to his ego, his intelligence.
How does he think it was done?
Why does he think it was done?
What we he say if it was someone else in the same situation?
Ask what he thinks about someone doing the crime and doing it properly?
If he knew he would not be caught in an identical scenario, what would he change if anything?
Ask him for his opinions of other cases where the killer/suspect avoided going into the house for a period of time, what did he think of the behavior?
Ask him how he would solve the case?
Ask him what punishment would be suitable for the killer?
Ask him if anyone who helped the killer directly should be punished?
ask him if it turns out they were told to kill the victim, should the person who made the request/gave the order be punished and how.

If he could turn back time to that day from the moment he woke up, what would he do?

He wants to prove his superiority.
Like every bad guy who deals with LE, he cannot help but give them clues as he sees them as so stupid they cannot see the obvious, even when pointed out to them.

Bingo3 said...

Excellent, excellent SA and posts! I am in agreement with you guys completely. I think Davey had a terrible experience with church growing up. I think something "bad" happened to him at church. I think he most likely has Narcissistic Persnality Disorder. I think all of those combined make up a very toxic, (obviously) dangerous person.

By Mayo Clinic Staff

Definition
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.

John mcgowan said...

" Foolsfeedonfolly said...
Thinking out loud here about Davey's comment about having difficulty kissing Amanda at times because her face morphed into his father-in-laws. Thinking about Peter's comments from the Part 1 post and this new one too. I'm not an SA expert by far. LOL I am curious about why people are the way they are though and find SA fascinating."


Could this be db struggling with his sexuality?. Was this statement said before or after Amanda's murder. I don't think she would be pleased, if not disgusted, if it was said before. That's if she was aware of it.

Anonymous said...

This, from Peter's analysis/article:

"Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism joined to religious language.

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between ideology and personal gain."

Is anyone learning from Peter's expert analysis and excellent attempts at educating us?

Bingo3 said...

Anon, your right. I am new to SA. I only follow this case. If I followed more, I am afraid I would not get anything done. hehehe Interesting and thanks for pointing out my missing Peter's point. I need to read again and wait for the next one he writes on this case before I comment. We have our own separate case discussion blog where we can throw out our own theories not related to SA. I will just be reading and rereading for now.

Fm25 said...

Yes anon, I have some thoughts about the personality trait Peter is referring to and have been reading up on it. Looking forward to reading part 3.

lynda said...

John

The merchandising started the day after Amanda died, remember? He sold T SHIRTS!

Davey Blackburn is to Christianity what Dr. Seuss is to medicine.

Is Donae pregnant again? It is her new FB profile pic. Alonzo keeps putting out the blatant call for people "who want to make money"

Leslie said...

John mcgowan, Davey mentioned Amanda's face morphing into her father's in his May 4th blog post. It would be interesting to know whether he said such a thing to Amanda before, or when.

I have heard women call their daughters their "Little Me" before, and both sexes use various expressions, such as, "like father, like son," or, "a chip off the old block," but, Davey goes so far as to say that Amanda IS her father. I realize that's just a comparison, but, I still find it interesting.

DB's May 4 blog post:

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/

Concerned said...

lynda,
I think that's an old photo of Donae pregnant. Alonzo posted it a while back.
If you scroll back a little, Donae was still slender on April 9.

Alonzo does recruit several times a day for people who want to make money, as much as $500 a day.
We know it's not delivering pizzas!

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rosy said...

Outcomes of any clash between ideology and personality involves a twist here, so far as the ideology embraced by DB puts an inflated value on male control of the female's life and even her soul. In his "I loved her first" blog post DB writes: "I used to ask him [Amanda's father] how I could love and lead Amanda better...." He goes on "He reminds me so much of Amanda. In fact, they are the EXACT same person!"

This they could not be according to the ideology of the brand of Christianity DB purveys. His ideology denies that any woman can be fully "like" in the sense of on a par with a male - father, brother, cousin, friend, husband. All women are subordinate to all males. Males are "head" or boss of the woman and have an elevated relationship with Jesus. DB and Amanda discuss this in their railway platform on the way to Chicago video.

rosy said...

He claims that back in 2009, a year after their marriage, "I felt the Lord speak to my heart and remind me Amanda wasn’t mine. That she had been stewarded to me by our Heavenly Father for a season, and when that season is done it would be my responsibility to present my Bride to the Father."

This is his chosen precursor moment to the self-exoneration, indeed self-glorification that he writes over the negligence that exposed her to the attack that killed her: "though I didn’t even realize it in that moment, I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

rosy @ 3:53 PM May 7, 2016

You bring up a really good point! So, between Peter's post and yours, if we want to understand Davey, we first have to pinpoint and define the ideology. Then we need to define the ideology in relation to Davey- how he espouses and applies it. Getting it here, albeit slowly. ;)

You're also right that in actual Christian ideology, a woman and a man are not one and the same. Correctly taught, they are each created with distinctly different gifts and abilities. When used together, they complement each other, to build up and strengthen. Unfortunately, Scriptures have often been used out of context and incorrectly to abuse and control women...sometimes out of ignorance and bad teaching, sometimes intentionally.

There's nothing weak, wimpy, or cowering about the Proverbs 31 woman. She is intelligent, wise, has personal integrity, an excellent work ethic (hard-working, organized,values her team, honest, and produces a quality product with no shortcuts), compassionate, instructs her household, has her children's hearts, is trustworthy, has a good reputation, and her husband knows he found a treasure.

Amy Smith said...

Thanks for posting this. No worries for Crazy Davey. As Amanda was dying, he just worshipped (and created a fundraising campaign for himself.) I would like to cuss now.

lynda said...

" I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless.

I posted this sentence earlier the minute I read it. It gave me the willies. I instantly thought that this was DAvey's way of distancing himself from any guilt associated with Amanda's murder. He was helping Jesus. She was going to be murdered anyway, and at such a good time in Weston's life too! He has now brought himself as a peer or equal to Christ because he "helped Jesus", he worked alongside of Christ to make sure everything was in place to present Amanda holy and BLAMELESS to God. He "presented" her, does this mean he made sure everything was in place to have the presentation, "blameless", if Amanda was blameless, who is to be blamed? It was a bizarre statement to me. Aside from the fact that Jesus doesn't need your help presenting anybody to the Lord Davey. This blog was more of DAvey rationalizing and distancing himself from the murder. He is getting very close in his blogs to saying that GOD told him Amanda was going to be murdered, or GOD told him to keep the door unlocked so that "his will" could be done. Scary

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

So, in pinpointing the ideology, is it actually Judeo-Christian? Or is it a NewSpring perversion (a watered down gospel of a numbers game with God remade in the image of men with mere suggestions)? Is it Wesleyan (Southern Wesleyan University-theology classes)? Or is it a mish mash?

Leslie said...

I totally agree, lynda, that was a bizarre sentence and blog post. OK, knit-picking here, but Davey / his blog writer left out a comma. With proper punctuation, it should read:

...I helped Jesus present her to the Father, holy and blameless.

Without the comma, I read it as the FATHER being holy and blameless.

Here's the sentence in question, and the one before it, as posted on DB's blog:

"He wrapped his arms around her in the face of danger and held her as she stepped into eternity. And though I didn’t even realize it in that moment, I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

Alright, yes, DB was at Amanda's bedside when she officially died at the hospital. But, what exactly is he saying he did? He didn't realize "it" in that moment that he helped Jesus present Amanda to his god? Davey is actually taking credit for that?

I wish he would take credit for causing her to be presented to his god. She was already blameless.



Foolsfeedonfolly said...

lynda

I hear you! Davey is actually steeping this event in "religiosity". In order for her to be a sacrifice (Old testament), she has to be presented as pure, holy, and blameless...the sacrificial lamb. He's tossing, coating, and wrapping it in "Christianese" to make it acceptable and give it an air of spirituality and divine approval. The fact that he's been working so hard to sell it, with the repetitious posts, sermons, and interviews. If Amanda and the baby weren't dead, it would be humorous. Peter's right, Davey is a psychologist's dream.

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LJ B said...

Did y'all see this? Apparently Perry Noble sells his used clothes on Instagram. He advertises the sales on his fb page like it's some big deal or something. Also listed are generic church-saying tees. These are new, I assume.

https://www.instagram.com/shoppastorp/

The whole thing os so much like Amway, Avon, Mary Kay, etc. Every last cent is pursued by those at the top of the pyramid. I can see how this career path would be irresistible in America though. NO taxes, no scrutiny of expenses, nothing! Just moneymoneymoney from everyone you trick, down to the little kids' piggybanks!

I see there are a plethora of new themed t-shirts on the Resonance crowd who just ran at the Indy marathon, too. And of course booths set up, etc...(frome the resonance fb page - also many creepy photos of Davey doing baptisms on young girls, one pic he looks crazed, arms outstretched, eyes looking upwards at nothing)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1396330073726070.1073741838.292043477488074&type=3

LJ B said...

Link to disturbing baptism pic :

https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13147603_1396331863725891_6624907957694389742_o.jpg

He could have been telling a joke or something, I guess, but this pic is freakkkkky.

John mcgowan said...

Thank You

lynda, Leslie, ima.grandma. Respectively :)

LJ B said...

And Resonate is hosting a youth trip to Daytona Beach in July. $400 a head. I'm assuming they will be sharing rooms, etc. Every little bit counts! I'm tempted to go and spy on the group leaders, iykwim..

Daytona Beach is a strange choice. Probably the cheapest hotel rates or something.

LJ B said...

Resonate/Resonance...who can remember? Who cares?

Leslie said...

I found a blogger who posted about similar pastors to DB & PN, in that they're like a mutual admiration society, talk each other up, and have each other's back. The difference is, they're expected to act humble.

http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/10/pastors-mutual-admiration-societies-or.htmlNew

I have been trying to understand DB's and NewSpring's ideology. They're a funny mix-
conservative in many ways, such as men being the leaders, yet, PN changed the 10 commandments, they dress (too) casually, etc. They quote from the Bible, but, like many, seem to take things out of context for their own purposes. Now that NewSpring is no longer Southern Baptist, I'm not sure who the overseers are? I'll need to investigate that. A lot of these fast-growing new churches seem to put so much emphasis on the leader/pastor, and don't seem to have governing bodies or checks and balances in place. This model can quickly look like, or become a cult.



Heisstillgay said...

Davey understands Christianity, and even believes in it.

The problem is that his narcissistic personality disorder warps everything so that it centers (or should center) around his wishes and desires. It is no different with Christianity: Every story, dynamic, proverb is about what he wants and he warps the narrative so that it is in service to him.

Leslie said...

Heisstillgay,

There's no question in my mind that Davey seems narcissistic. His father is a pastor and he was indoctrinated in the faith from an early age. There's no doubt that he understands a certain version, or "type" of Christianity. That doesn't necessarily mean that he "believes."

Peter said in this post:

Religious Context

Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others
think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism
joined to religious language.

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between
ideology and personal gain.

I think we need to give less focus to his narcissism, and more to the "clash between ideology and personal gain," as Peter suggests.

Leslie said...

Whoops. I had tried to indent Peter's paragraphs as blocks of long quotes, but they didn't format that way. I will use quotations:

Religious Context

"Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others
think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism
joined to religious language."

"It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between
ideology and personal gain."

Leslie said...

Rosy and Foolsfeedonfolly, I find your observations and symbolisms concerning "the clash between ideology and personal gain," particularly in reference to pregnancy, fascinating. Keep it coming, please- and others!

Heisstillgay said...

Leslie,

You wrote

Peter said in this post:

Religious Context

Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others
think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism
joined to religious language.

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between
ideology and personal gain.

I think we need to give less focus to his narcissism, and more to the "clash between ideology and personal gain," as Peter suggests.

Hmmmmmm. It certainly is food for thought. If I understand Peter correctly, he is saying that Davey's belief in Christianity "clashes" with his desire for personal gain, and hence Davey is actually willfully manipulating Christian doctrine to support his desires.
If Davey in fact does have narcissistic personality disorder, I am not sure this is a willful manipulation of Christianity...rather, it is almost as if his brain "warps" Christianity to support his wishes, desires, and needs. The reason why I believe that this may be what is occurring is that it is PERVASIVE in Davey's sermons, etc. where he is perceiving Christianity as something centered around HIMSELF in a way that supports his wants (his desire to grow his church, his personal losses, his flaws and transgressions). Amanda's death itself is put through the lense of Christianity and comes out as something that happened for HIM.
There is intelligence and comprehension in his understanding of Christianity and in the behavior of believing Christians like Amanda, but his brain warps it to center around and serve HIMSELF.
I guess I will have to hear the rest of Peter's take on the matter.



Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Thanks Leslie for this Davey Blackburn blog post quote:

""He wrapped his arms around her in the face of danger and held her as she stepped into eternity. And though I didn’t even realize it in that moment, I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

In playing this whole "event" off as Amanda sacrificing her life for the church, what does this mean in terms of ideology? In Old Testament terms, a sacrifice was offered or presented for the remission of sins (to release a person/people from the guilt or penalty of their sin). Following Judeo-Christian ideology, the sacrifice had to be pure and blameless, without spot or blemish (no defects, flaws, or faults of any kind). The High Priest presented the sacrifice on the altar (skipping the exacting bloody details-you can find them in the Old Testament). Remission of sins required a blood sacrifice ("For the wages of sin is death..."). The animal died in the person's stead.

Davey's analogies of Amanda's bloody murder as Davey helping Jesus present a sacrificial sin-atoning sacrifice is over the top. That he deliberately force feeds this particular perverted deception is telling. So, one end of the spectrum, Amanda is Mary pregnant with the Savior. On the other end, she's the atoning sacrifice for sin. Whose sin? What is the sin? How did Amanda, in Davey's eyes, go from most-honored among women to necessary sacrifice?

What loving husband makes that kind of an analogy? What innocent Pastor makes that kind of analogy?

Heisstillgay said...

Fools,

I think you are describing what is known as the sacrifice of the "scapegoat".

You wrote

"So, one end of the spectrum, Amanda is Mary pregnant with the Savior. On the other end, she's the atoning sacrifice for sin. Whose sin? What is the sin? How did Amanda, in Davey's eyes, go from most-honored among women to necessary sacrifice?"

You are correct...I can see now he is deliberately deceptive.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

The actual verses Davey is perverting read:

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other kind of, but holy and blameless." Ephesians 5:25-27

Christ is the one who loved the church and gave himself up for her, doing the cleansing and presenting to himself...not Davey Blackburn. Christ is the one giving himself up for the church, not Amanda Blackburn.

Note the passage deals with cleansing and washing with water (Davey coming home to take a shower, Davey's shower revelation from God).

Note the next verse after this passage is "In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." (Ephesians 5:28). We know from Davey's avid gym and marathon postings, his tight clothing, his well-manicured appearance, and his newly fixed teeth that Davey values his own body...yet we see continual demeaning and distancing where Amanda is concerned. Why?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...


John Mcgowan @12:29 PM May 7, 2016

John mcgowan said...

" Foolsfeedonfolly said...
Thinking out loud here about Davey's comment about having difficulty kissing Amanda at times because her face morphed into his father-in-laws. Thinking about Peter's comments from the Part 1 post and this new one too. I'm not an SA expert by far. LOL I am curious about why people are the way they are though and find SA fascinating."

Could this be db struggling with his sexuality?. Was this statement said before or after Amanda's murder. I don't think she would be pleased, if not disgusted, if it was said before. That's if she was aware of it.
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John- I'm late getting back to this, but this comment reminded me of something. Davey, from an early age, was immersed in a sports culture (uncle was a pro baseball player, his family is athletic and highly values that, Amanda's family is very athletic also). The sports culture has an ideology of hypersexuality- proving one's manhood, being perceived as manly (a stud), an extreme drive to prove oneself alpha male and an extreme fear of being perceived as feminine (a wuss, "you throw /run/hit like a girl").

So, going out on a limb here I know...Did Davey perceive the godly Amanda as a perfect sacrifice offered for Davey's sexual sins (whatever his laptop entailed)? The bag with the laptop was allegedly taken. Just because something is reported as stolen by thieves doesn't mean it was stolen by thieves. I know that's kind of out there, so feel free to correct me.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Peter- I need that next post! LOL I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the clash between ideology and personality comment and the personal trait you're referencing. The only thing I'm coming up with is Pathological Liar. I am such a newb! *sigh*

Lis said...

This is an intriguing statement, Peter, and I am anxious to learn more.

I wonder, can a narcissist really believe in anything altruistic or bigger than themselves? Is DB a believer... I suspect he is pragmatic. He knows Christianity, he has great familiarity with it, he has a start in it, this is his field, as it were, because of his upbringing and connections. If he was to start in a different field, he'd have to start at ground zero and deal with a less gullible constituency, and have a more uncertain future. As to whether he believes it... he does not seem to believe any higher power than himself is listening to or evaluating what he teaches. His actions and speech are self-aggrandizing, he takes license with the message.

In regards to his church doctrine, I think it's interesting that if you go to his church's page on what it believes, the very first belief listed is:
"IT'S NOT ABOUT ME"
Let that sink in...
Further down the page is a pretty typical list of beliefs which does not explain to me the emphasis on shock tactics.
http://resonateindianapolis.com/beliefs/

rosy said...

He claims that back in 2009, a year after their marriage, "I felt the Lord speak to my heart and remind me Amanda wasn’t mine. That she had been stewarded to me by our Heavenly Father for a season, and when that season is done it would be my responsibility to present my Bride to the Father."


It's like they are passing a trading card back and forth.

The statements DB makes about women seem like he may be following the absurd teachings of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood or has taken in some of its belief system, that men are in a position of spiritual authority above women. It's laughable that he thinks of himself in the role of presenting Amanda spotless and without blemish. If anything, she was the stronger spiritually of the two.



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lynda said...

Amanda was Davey's "blood sacrifice" to wash away sin. Whose sin? I believe Davey's ideology is to equate himself with Christ. He "helps" Jesus take his wife home, he offers Amanda up as his blood sacrifice to atone for our sin. He tries to make Amanda "Mary", God has spoke to him about the pain and suffering he is going to go thru, much like Christ in the Garden, and then distorts that by saying Amanda, if faced with the choice, would say yes, like Christ did. Davey has set himself up as "the church" or Christ, giving up his bride. Davey has used Amanda's death and his "suffering" to insinuate that they (he) is doing it all, going thru it all, for US. For his flock. Slowly, Davey's story is becoming the story of Christ. He just hasn't come right out and said that he is the second coming yet.God letting him know there was going to be a season of pain, the blood sacrifice of Amanda, Amanda's death will allow Davey to "change history". I don't know Peter, I do think there is some sort of mental illness here, not just an ideology. I can't wait to read next blog.

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lynda said...

Oh my gosh, I completely forgot that today CD will be delivering a sermon on Mother's Day. I wonder if he'll go on and on about how Weston doesn't even miss his mommy. Probably not. He will completely change course to milk it for everything its got. More money during tithe.

lynda said...

I was right,

Davey says,
"daveyblackburnWeston and I are missing this mom more than we ever thought it was possible to miss someone. I loved watching her carry Weston for 9 months, bring him into this world and nurture him for the first 15 months of his life. There is so much @amandagblackburn instilled in that little guy in such a short amount of time and I am so proud of her. Happy Mother's Day, babe. You were the best mom there ever was"

Anonymous said...

That is so not how that works. Oh my gosh. I can't stand Davey and I hate his brand of Christianity, but twisting beliefs is wrong. The husband being the leader doesn't diminish women. It doesn't make us subordinate. Ugh. Pearls before swine.

Anonymous said...

Yes! I agree with you and about women in the church and the Prov 31 woman. I dislike PN and his brand, which Davey comets, but I have not found any indication that PN teaches that women are lower. Even though Davey might interpret it that way, it's not the onus of the church

lynda said...

Did we know that Davey coached baseball at Eastwood Middle School and that feeds into North Central High School where all the murderers attended along with AB? They themselves, or if they younger siblings, cousins, etc playing ball, would all know Davey.

Hey Jude said...

I think he maybe holds everything together too well to be BPD - Davey doesn't appear fragile, or to suffer from low self-esteem, lack of confidence, self-loathing and self-harming behaviours, or to be suicidal. He seems strong in himself, and in sustaining his image. He hasn't 'imploded', socially he has not withdrawn, nor shown sign of any 'meltdown', and it's been six months. I can see how some of his behaviour (or assumed behaviour, as we don't know for sure) could fit with BPD, but to me, he seems too strong, mentally, to be BPD.

Leslie said...

I think this was pondered early on, but, I'm revisiting the question of whether DB might be a psychopath, or sociopath.

On another note, his facial hair that he grew after Amanda's death causes him to appear similar to the renderings of (the white, Westernized) Jesus. IDK if that's intentional, but, that appearance, coupled with him taking credit for helping Jesus present Amanda to (his) god, holy and blameless, in addition to Amanda being the sacrifice for the biggest revival in history, support the idea that he thinks so highly of himself that he could believe he's on the same level as Jesus, or is the second coming (as others have speculated or stated). Yet, I don't think he's actually mentally ill. A personality disorder which includes pathological lying, manipulation, and feelings of grandeur, yes.

Leslie said...

Rosy, there are comments about Davey coaching baseball at Eastwood Middle School somewhere in this (L-O-N-G) thread, and the associations with siblings and the high school:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/for-us-we-have-nothing-to-hide.html

Fm25 said...

Leslie, I think you're right. Maybe narcissistic sociopath. Poor Amanda never stood a chance.

Leslie said...

Yes, Fm25, it seems that sociopaths often have narcissistic qualities.

Instead of "feelings of grandeur," as I wrote in my previous comment, it seems that sociopaths have a "grandiose sense of self." That fits.

I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist, and obviously, this is all speculation, at this point.

Fm25 said...

In one of the sermons after Amanda's murder davey referred to us (people who don't believe him) as "lint in his shoe" and said he pities us. One blogger either bingo or bobcat maybe brought it up a few times and someone made a comment asking why they were hung up on that. I can understand why. That statement was definitely an angry one. Pity in that context was trying to maintain superiority. For a narcissistic sociopath, people not believing him would cause him extreme anger. He showed more emotion in that statement than he ever showed towards the accused.

Anonymous said...

He gave a glare to the camera when he said "lint in my shoe" - knowing it would likely be reviewed and transcribed.

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Anonymous said...

Fm25:

"For a narcissistic sociopath, people not believing him would cause him extreme anger."

The tape should be reviewed, but I think it is the same love song video where Amanda calls out Davey on a lie, and he appears to be "seething" on tape. He doesn't look at her when she is answering questions and looks extremely angry. His face displays the kind of rage that makes no sense on a pastor. Explosive and scary.

tania cadogan said...

rosy said...

He claims that back in 2009, a year after their marriage, "I felt the Lord speak to my heart and remind me Amanda wasn’t mine. That she had been stewarded to me by our Heavenly Father for a season, and when that season is done it would be my responsibility to present my Bride to the Father."


If this is true, does it mean that after a year he realized he didn't want to be married?
is this perhaps a leaked marble of intent, a forewarning perhaps a la justin dipietro?

Hey Jude said...

^^ Yes - and a season is short. It sounds as if Davey didn't plan to be married long-term. The year is probably a generous exaggeration on his part, too, as to when he 'felt the Lord speak' to his heart. IMO. How do you feela voice telling you stuff? Is that some form of synesthesia, or Davey not quite saying that God spoke to him or said those things, because he knows God didn't?

Anonymous said...

Why would he assume "that season" would ever be done?

MB

Anonymous said...

By ever, I mean, before his "season" is done.

CJ said...

Did Davey run?

daveyblackburnI'm super proud of my 40 friends who ran the Indy Mini in honor of @amandagblackburn and the 50 @resonateindy volunteers who served our city!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFHkeG1h4Gm/
http://www.indymini.com/p/mini-marathon/miniresults

HISG said...

Davey is a psychopath. Being a preacher and/or a "pious" presentation of self is one of the favorite masks of the psychopath.
Davey reminds me of Ted Bundy more than Scott Peterson, however, Peterson, while lacking a "pious" exterior, did speak of his marriage to Laci in exalted terms much as Davey does.

Leslie said...

CJ-
It looks like Davey ran, as he has a number pinned on his shorts, with his shirt slightly overlapping.

There's so much good food for thought posted that I need to digest it!

Fm25 said...

On his old blog he talked about Ezekiel and wanting to have that kind of relationship with God back in 2008. I can't find it now that he's "rebranded".

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Fm25 said...

Found an excerpt on data lounge. From Davey's blog in July 2008.
"God killed Ezekiel’s wife so that he could feel the pain that Israel was about to endure! I mean, what the heck! God allowed him to literally feel the weight of what He was going to do to the Israelite people.

I want THAT kind of relationship with Jesus, but it scares me to death to think about taking up THIS cross every day in order to be THAT kind of follower of Him."

Fm25 said...

To put in context, they got married in sept 2008

rosy said...

Since his youth, DB has had an unhealthy interest in God killing wives.

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Fm25 wrote

Found an excerpt on data lounge. From Davey's blog in July 2008.
"God killed Ezekiel’s wife so that he could feel the pain that Israel was about to endure! I mean, what the heck! God allowed him to literally feel the weight of what He was going to do to the Israelite people.

I want THAT kind of relationship with Jesus, but it scares me to death to think about taking up THIS cross every day in order to be THAT kind of follower of Him."

Davey married her in Sep 2008

The only conclusion is that he married her SO HE COULD kill her. He married her with the intention of killing her.

Fm25 said...

Yeah there have been a lot of things disappearing lately. I hate to think of how much evidence (albeit circumstantial) will be gone soon and may never have been preserved by investigators. Someone's been ver busy lately.

HISG said...

I wish Peter would share a theory of what he believes most likely happened to Amanda.

What I am seeing in the language is that Amanda was killed BEFORE Davey left for the gym, quite a bit before, and that Davey did not sleep that night.
I believe Davey framed the thugs by luring them to the house in some way...promise of drugs for stolen goods is one possibility of how he lured them there.

Anonymous said...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/06/oregon-tells-schools-to-let-boys-play-girls-sports-if-they-want/

This is not fiction

Hey Jude said...

Did anyone mention Davey's May 3rd sermon yet - 'Home Run Life - Week 5 - Win With Others'? In it, a bit past the forty-one minute mark (where he accuses Jesus of hitting people with a velvet brick - not sure if that's an improvement on God smacking him in the face - he has fashioned such a violent version of God) he says:

'Clear the history. Clear the history. (I'm sure you guys didn't start my timer right where you started - 'cause this says I got a lot more time.) Clear the history. Clear the history.'

Thereafter he says 'Clear the history' at least a half dozen more times - also relates how, whilst in Israel, he cleared his years old history of text message conversations on his iPhone, to free up space for photos. I wonder Is that too obvious - or is he quite openly telegraphing?

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/home-run-life-week-5-win-with-others/

Hey Jude said...

I think his old blog posts, some or parts of, are in the older Blackburn threads here: there are now only three from his original blog left on his new revised blog.

rosy said...

Hey Jude,

He takes the concept of the Velvet Brick without attribution (i.e. plagiarizes it) from a book by Howard Butt published in 1973, The Velvet Covered Brick: Christian Leadership in an Age of Rebellion.

Others have adopted the same meme. It crops up among leadership gurus like Tim Elomre ("What kids need is a leader who is both responsive and demanding. In my language — a velvet-covered brick. A leader who supports and sets standards. Let’s shoot for that goal." (2010).

But's book argues for authority and submission as key to Christian relationships.

Funny, I was thinking today on reviewing the train station QA #3 video that when DB "lets" Amanda say her piece in support of wifely submission, the look on his face in sadistic. He tightens his lips, then one corner of his mouth turns down. The ark glasses help the impression. He lured her into a dominance/submission relation.

HISG said...

Hey Jude,

JUst checked out the link:


Do you think he is trying to tell someone listening to "clear their history"...is that what you mean by telegraphing in this instance?


What about how he says everyone's done something that makes it so that they deserve to go to hell?

And at 48:13 he says "BOOM! Done." (makes sound of gunshot)

rosy said...

Corrected for typos (intolerable number of same).

rosy said...

Hey Jude,

He takes the concept of the Velvet Brick, without attribution (i.e. plagiarizes it), from a book by Howard Butt published in 1973, The Velvet Covered Brick: Christian Leadership in an Age of Rebellion.

Others have adopted this meme of the Velvet Covered Brick. It crops up among leadership gurus like Tim Elmore ("What kids need is a leader who is both responsive and demanding. In my language — a velvet-covered brick. A leader who supports and sets standards. Let’s shoot for that goal." (2010). Notice how Elmore pretends he's originated this notion ("In my language"). Once a book goes out of print, egotists like Elmore and DB can ransack its for ideas (however stale) and present them as their own capital.

Butt's book argues for authority and submission as key to Christian relationships.

Funny, I was thinking today on reviewing the train station QA #3 video that when DB "lets" Amanda say her piece in support of wifely submission, the look on his face is sadistic. He tightens his lips, then one corner of his mouth turns down. The dark glasses help the impression, as if hiding gloating in his eyes and pain in hers. He lured her into a dominance/submission relation.

May 8, 2016 at 9:20 PM

rosy said...

1) his readings of OT stories, like the story of Joseph here, are grotesque. He delights in defaming the patriarchs (e.g. Joseph deserved prison because we ALL deserve hell). I.e., he delights in playing god of the Bible.

2) he has the nerve to proclaim that he "cleared the history" (unselectively) of all his text messages down through 2015, presumably including all before AMANDA's DEATH - which must have included all text messages with her on that phone - in favor of taking photos in Israel of tourist sites that he could have bought postcards of.

Depending on how unhinged he is underneath his high-level intellect, he may indeed be boasting indirectly that he's cleared away any incriminating evidence from his personal history.

I hope his ghost writer has a good imagination when it comes to making up convos between DB and Amanda for the book or the TV special.

Ali said...

Clearing the history is unexpected, especially if there are texts from Amanda on there.

I know a man whose wife died over two years ago. He still has her voice on the answering machine because he can't bear to delete it.

I've asked this question a couple of times but here I go again. Would the stolen computer continue to produce the weekly list of websites visited, to Amanda's computer and the friends (PN?) computer? Yes or no?

A total lack of activity might suggest that Davey "disappeared" the computer himself.

Fm25 said...

Rosy, that video breaks my heart. It looks like Amanda is caught off guard with that question and it hit a nerve. IHe usiually lets her answer first but not that time. Imo she looked so sad.

Fm25 said...

How convenient. Sounds like another explanation- really unnecessary to say so what's the purpose. Granted I didn't watch the sermon yet so maybe it was somehow relevant. Did he really say unselectively?

rosy said...

More in response to Hey Jude's post a at 8:47 PM


I notice how clearing [Amanda out of] his "history" gave him - BOOM!- "capacity to win with other people".

This is what was missing with Amanda, holding him back. He could not win with her in the way he wanted to win.

At around 48 mins in:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/home-run-life-week-5-win-with-others/

Notice also how he talks about "this rap sheet" of sin.

If I put any store in brimstone I'd say this dude gives a good imitation of the anti-Christ. He needs to step down and go earn an honest living and let other people alone.

rosy said...

Ali at 9:48 PM said:

"I've asked this question a couple of times but here I go again. Would the stolen computer continue to produce the weekly list of websites visited, to Amanda's computer and the friends (PN?) computer? Yes or no?

A total lack of activity might suggest that Davey "disappeared" the computer himself."

That's an interesting question. I don't know the answer. Maybe some of us have friends who might know?

Fm25 said...

Ok, just watched from 41 mins in. I like how Jesus spoke to his heart again. So Jesus told him to clear the history. How convenient again.

CJ said...

Blogger Leslie said...
It looks like Davey ran, as he has a number pinned on his shorts, with his shirt slightly overlapping.
May 8, 2016 at 5:08 PM

He said he was training for is. He doesn't say he ran it, and his name and number aren't showing up in the race results.

http://www.indymini.com/p/mini-marathon/miniresults

Ashley posted that she ran alone:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFIJQRkoEazy_yovxCAlWzJJrRS_Yd0_NdtZFE0/

This race was the one they were all running in honor of Amanda.

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/689825234929762305
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFHkeG1h4Gm/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BA4__MWh4A_/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/707249829894889472

HISG said...

What about how he says repeatedly

"I'm just going to be transparent."

Odd.

HISG said...

Do any of you think it is odd that he grew a beard after Amanda's murder? I have a friend who thinks that men who have beards (not goatees but full beards) are hiding something...in this case is Davey trying to hide behind his beard bc he killed Amanda? Scott Peterson grew a beard after he murdered Laci also.

rosy said...

HISG - beard makes him look a bit Jesus-like. Plays on heart-strings.

HISG said...

Oh that is true it does make him look Jesus-like especially the way he doesn't shave the top of it but lets it get kind of cavemanish/natural...(not saying Jesus is a caveman).

mom2many said...

On the computer, if the hard drive was wiped and the operating system reinstalled, the software would be gone. Such thieves would be caught pretty quickly if they didn't know how to wipe a computer before selling it.

rosy said...

And so if it were not stolen, the person who kept is would need to wipe it.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

ima.grandma

First,your 4:39 AM May 8, 2016 post was very well thought out and presented!

Secondly,thank you for your 6:09 Pm May 6, 2016 post. I had not seen this one before and I've snipped a portion below

ima.grandma said...

I've been wondering about this article for awhile now. I've tried to determine which 'principle' he is referring to but all the links are deactivated - on every single site I've visited. I feel like something personal happened just prior to 2/26/09 and thus, his motivation to express himself ceased for a bit. He sounds a little depressed but at the same time he is begging for attention and praise. I'm hoping one of you that has been there from the get-go can assist.

https://daveyblackburn.com/2009/02/26/fini/

[Davey's post]"This principle has been killing me right now . . . I did a post on it a while back and it’s probably the most prominent thing God has been teaching me in this season in my life . ."
-------------------------------
This may or may not be what you're looking for. During that time frame, Perry Noble was doing a NewSpring Series 2/08/09-03/1/09 I Want A New Marriage https://newspring.cc/sermons/i-want-a-new-marriage/what-i-said-yes-to
• Marriage takes work
• It should not be eye for eye, tooth for tooth
• Do whatever it takes to make the relationship work
• Instead of focusing on your spouse’s imperfections, focus on your own
• If you consider your spouse your enemy, pray for them
• The way to have an incredible marriage is communication and organization
• Speak The Truth (women get blamed for talking outside the marriage- equates talking to others-including prayer group and athe wife's mom-as betraying the husband/ men instructed not to talk to redneck buddies at work, speak truth to wife)
• Settle The Issue
• Submit To Jesus
• Communicate- Money, Time, Date Night, Sex (the call for regular sex & instruction for him to meet her emotional needs first, it's his responsibility to make her happy)

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Is Davey recycling old material from his days at FUSE (NewSprings Youth Pastor) or borrowing sermons/sermon ideas from NewSpring?

1. Blood Resonate March 7-29, 2016
https://newspringfuse.com/sermons/blood October 7-28, 2015

2. Strings Resonate November 2-19, 2016
https://newspringfuse.com/sermons/strings October 16th - November 13th, 2012

3. Overwhelmed Resonate February 21-March 1, 2016
https://newspring.cc/sermons/overwhelmed-2014 April27-May 25, 2014
https://newspring.cc/sermons/overwhelmed-2013 February 12-April 1, 2013

4. All In Resonate August 5- September 6, 2015
https://newspring.cc/sermons/allin January8-February 5, 2012

5. Girls Gone Wild Resonate October 12-26, 2014
Girls Gone Wild https://newspring.cc/sermons/girls-gone-wild March 4th - April 1st, 2007

6. No Perfect People Resonate January 12- February 2, 2014
https://newspring.cc/sermons/no-perfect-people-allowed January1-February 4, 2009

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

I firmly believe that a person's taste in books tells you a lot about him/her. Some of Davey's early reads:

1. http://twitpic.com/z848b “My Weekend Read” The Influencer: The Power To Change Anything

Synposis here https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/914211.Influencer Published 2007

2. http://twitpic.com/790j8 “Just started a new book…” Who’s Got Your BacK: The Breakthrough Program to Build Deep, Trusting Relationships That Create Success--and Won't Let You Fail

Synopsis here http://www.amazon.com/Whos-Your-Back-Relationships-Success/dp/0385521332 Published May 19, 2009

3. http://twitpic.com/1vrx0 The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich by Timothy Ferriss (Author)

Synopsis here http://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workweek-Escape-Live-Anywhere/dp/0307465357 Published December 15, 2009

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Amanda’s Journal Entries https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media

1. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 26 Dec 2015
This was an excerpt from the song sung at our wedding. Amanda wrote it in her journal May of 2014

**NOTE: The pink margin lines and pink cover of the above journal entry. If this post if truthful and if this is from Amanda’s 2014 journal, then the post below speaks to Amanda trying to work through the reality of their situation- Resonate was not experiencing explosive growth, in spite of all the Leadership, Motivational, Business Model, Church Growth books, promotions, networking, outreach activities, training sessions, church planning sessions, and publicity stunts.

2. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 27 Dec 2015
Encouraging words from Amanda . . . When life goes differently than planned -

**NOTE: The same pink margins and pink outside border (border on the right not quite cropped out),so per Davey, this was in her 2014 Journal too. How sad.

Anonymous said...

HISG,

Substitute "honest" for "transparent".

Davey is trying to rephrase "Can I be honest with you?" and has been trying different versions for months since the SA began here.

Leslie said...

CJ, thank you for being thorough and checking race results- that idea didn't occur to me! So, Davey went to the trouble to, not only train for the race, but, to register, pick up and pin his number on, and pose with friends who were running the race. So, he either bailed (it brought up "unexpected emotions," since he & Amanda used to run races together, he might say), or he was unable to complete the race, for some reason?

Hey Jude said...

I find it difficult to know to what extent Davey wantonly misrepresents and misleads in his preaching, and how much of what he says he actually has convinced himself to be true. I find it strange that his ideas about God are so often the God of the Old Testament (wrathful, vengeful, to be worshipped out of fear, rather than 'feared' out of love, his God is still God as understood and interpreted by a primitive people). He'll give an OT story, this is what God is like - then he'll jump to Jesus, and how Jesus, basically, can save you from that God - it's not about love, or a desire to be right with God and others, so much as it is about coercion, and about aligning oneself with Jesus as a means of saving oneself from and getting one over on God the Father. Davey's is a childish theology, rooted in resentment of his own father and in sibling rivalry - his God the Father is, I think, a reflection of negative male influences in his early life and a projection of his immaturity and enjoyment of violence, while his Jesus is like the comfort blanket, something to hold onto and to be used - it's so much caricature, and the making of God in his own image. I cannot understand how his God 'smacked him in the face', for instance - how he can make it so that his God comes to him through violence. I get he doesn't mean it literally, but not how it is possible for anyone to see or understand God in that way.

I think that everyone who believes makes God in their own image, to one degree or another - as projection is what we do, it's understandable that God becomes the subject of much projection - even those who interpret the Bible literally, and believe themselves to not be vulnerable to projection, still do so through selective use of scripture and the way in which they interpret what they read, or favour certain 'teachings' over others.

Davey's manipulation of God (not of God in reality, but,for example, in his claims of God speaking to him) is a continuation of how he is with people and how he approaches life, as a manipulator, and as a schemer, one who lies and expects to be believed - Davey's God, like Davey's people, is made to dance to Davey's tune, which is all about Davey.

Hey Jude said...

Continued...

Amanda would soon have seen through Davey, and that his faith was twisted, his God was cruel, and that Jesus was much less loved and developed in Davey's theology than was his OT version of God. Amanda, whose first love and devotion was towards Jesus, and who addressed Jesus in her journals, must soon have got to wondering what Davey was really about, and who Davey really was - especially in view of the post-honeymoon behaviour, and her realisation that he'd done the getting married thing, and then wanted to get back to his 'real' life. As she was a good girl, and innocent, she believed it would all come right - while for Davey it was never going to be right, until 'the season' which was Amanda was over, and he could grow his church out of her 'sacrifice'. That's what his recent blog entries are saying, so far as I can see - he can justify Amanda's murder, because she was only given to him for a 'season', and was a willing 'sacrifice' - even though it is a lie. Life must be more comfortable without Amanda's presence - without her genuine faith contrasting his self-interested inventions. (I also think he said he wanted a girl who loved Jesus more than she loved him, because he didn't want to be bothered with marriage, or with needing to love a girl, but as his background and wish to be a pastor necessitated marriage, Amanda was convenient.)

I think Davey is quite complex and screwed up because he does believe at least a fair bit of what he says - he's not only a self-interested charlatan, he believes he can twist scriptures to make them say what he wants. Romans 8:28 - that could justify anything, just so long as a person were able to believe they loved God, and that they were called. Davey said they were called to Indianapolis, and Amanda was a willing sacrifice on the altar to Davey - though they had prayed against the call, all of a Gethsemane.

Hey Jude said...

Well, he didn't literally say 'on the altar of Davey' - more that Amanda gave her life as a sacrifice to grow Resonate church.

Anonymous said...

Peter, why do you keep stressing that SA is so complicated and that this blog is SA 101? I assume that most people that read here understand that already. I love reading your examples and would never pretend to do what you do. The best I can do is hope to take home some helpful hints, of which you provide many.

Bingo3 said...

Thanks for sharing some of the sermon from May 3rd guys. I have not been able to stomach his sermons lately but will try to watch some of this one. Interesting that this is the first sentence in the intro to the sermon.
"We can get caught in a pattern of isolation when we try to push our way through life, relationships, and careers with little regard for others."
It seems Davey has been pushing his way through life with little regard for others a very long time.
Also, someone posted that he started his own Fund Me page while Amanda was still in the hospital? Is that true? I also bet those orange Indy shirts will be the next thing marketed and most likely from his Fan page. Maybe key chains, huggies, coffee mugs and orange #forindy#nothingiswasted wrist bands are next. SMH

Hey Jude said...

I was wondering also if he was telling someone he hoped Ithe be listening to also clear their history, in case there is a record of messages which he is worried about. He didn't seem to know all his messages were stored and still there from the time he got his phone - maybe worried someone else has a stash of old messages, too.

It (May 3) is interesting - it's almost confessional, in moments, as though he may be trying, genuinely, to be a better Davey, but he keeps getting the better (worst) of himself. I would transcribe some of it but I'm not likely to have time for much of anything for the next couple of weeks.

mom2many said...

Internet archive link to Davey's old posts. I can't navigate it well on my phone, so I'll post the link here for everyone. http://web.archive.org/web/20160309132840/http://daveyblackburn.com/

Bingo3 said...

What is the SA when someone is constantly saying "I am just trying to be honest and transparent? DB says "What Israel did for me was those ten days over there, it brought color back into life for me. The last five months of my life have felt really gray just trying to life without Amanda (his shoulders go up and he starts nodding his head bk and forth a little) That's just trying to be transparent and honest." Why the need to say that? He is really trying to persuade us isn't he? Watch his body language, his shoulders tense up and his eyes squint a little. Odd.

Goes from about 49 sec to 1:15.
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/home-run-life-week-5-win-with-others/

I watched some of the sermon but I just can't understand how people can gain anything from his teachings. They are so boring and kind of depressing.

Hey Jude, I did watch the part where he decides to clear all old texts so he can take pictures in Israel. I think his trip to Israel was the end of his so-called mourning period, time to move on. The color is back in his life, time to clear his history. He said "It took me a while to get there, to navigate what I needed to do, to figure it all out but it was one button that cleared it like Boom! and done"(leakage?) was disturbing at the end. He was so animated and excited while saying that and look at his eyes. He looks smug after he did the Boom! and then very slowly says "now I have the c-a-p-a-city (thinking about guns maybe as he stresses this word.) to receive the information I was taking in around me." Disturbing.

Hey Jude said...

Mom2many - thank you.
.----

Craig Groeschel (Catalyst ’08)

IT = “The something special that God often does IN and THRU people”
**I don’t know what the IT is (most of IT is the Holy Spirit)

What I do know:

God makes IT happen
We cannot create or manufacture IT
IT is not a model or system
IT creates life-change
IT attracts critics
For those of you who have IT there is no guarantee you’ll keep IT
The ministry will beat IT out of you
What are our motives?

Me, my church, my success, my purposes?
God, His Church, His kingdom, His purpose!!
In order to get IT we have to do something DRASTIC!!

God, stretch me!
God, heal me!
God, ruin me!

This entry was posted on October 17, 2008 by daveyblackburn. It was filed under Leadership .

Hey Jude said...

To not clutter the thread:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130907041429/http://daveyblackburn.com/category/leadership/

Hey Jude said...

Bingo - look at his archived Leadership posts - that page begins with 'BOOM - ROASTED'. He hasn't grown up much in the intervening years. It's not all there, waybackmachine only captures some pages, but that was a good catch, waybackmachine.

mom2many said...

The fini post, which still exists at the current daveyblackburn.com website, referenced a "principle" Davey was struggling with and included two links to further explain the principle. The link to his own blog's previous post contained this text:
"hmmm . . .

You ever have those times in life when you spend more time trying to be INTERESTED rather than INTERESTING . . .

When you’re wanting to be DEVELOPED more than DISCOVERED . . .

That’s me right now. That’s why my blog readership has taken a hit over the last week . . . because somewhere up in this tumultuous chaos called “my brain” there’s a thought . . .

. . . it’s just choosing to stay silent . . . You should try it . . ."

The other, I can't track down the text of the original post, but it links back to a Newspring Fuse message entitled "Discovered or Developed." Can someone find a fuller explanation of what that message would have been? The date was February 2009.

Hey Jude said...

Mom2many - Newspring Fuse youth sermons are archived back only to 2012 - interestingly, though, 'Strings' is there as a series - they do like to recycle bad material.

mom2many said...

I dug this one up through his "vision" category.
"HOME SWEET HOME
Most of you know that we meet in homes on a weekly basis for Student Ministries at the Greenville Campus (an experience we call FuseGroups)

The problem is the stigma that the Church has tagged to a home . . . for so long our culture has deemed a home a place that is quiet, safe, secretive, private, and NOT ON MISSION . . . a place that is more concerned about what is going on and the people inside its walls than outside its walls . . .

Honestly, this is why I’m not involved in circles we at NewSpring term as HomeGroups (or a small groups) . . . don’t get me wrong, I think HomeGroups are very valuable to your growth as a Christ-follower . . . but I feel that many of them are too SAFE and COMFORTABLE . . . what is MORE valuable is bringing people we encounter everyday who don’t know Jesus into that “inner circle” and making JESUS FREAKS (or more palatable: DISCIPLES) of them.

We have to get out of the mindset of a home (specifically FuseGroups) being a Safe House where your seeking refuge from or running away from the enemy with no intention to combat it. . .

. . . and switch to a home being a bunker – a short refreshing experience before you head back out onto the front lines of battle!!

Look at what homes meant for the Early Church:

“While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” came and ate with him and his disciples.” (Matthew 9:10)

“When Jesus entered the ruler’s house and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd, 24he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” (Matthew 9:22-24)

“Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat.” (Mark 3:20)

“Jesus left that place and went to the vicinity of Tyre. He entered a house and did not want anyone to know it; yet he could not keep his presence secret.” (Mark 7:24)

“Some men came carrying a paralytic on a mat and tried to take him into the house to lay him before Jesus.” (Luke 5:18) – if you remember correctly they lowered him through the roof because it was TOO CROWDED!

“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full.” (Luke 14:33)

“Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham.” (Luke 19:9)

“Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42)

Some freakishly amazing things happened in homes and many times people from everywhere were standing outside just to get a peak at what was going on inside!!

I BELIEVE THAT CAN HAPPEN TODAY TOO!! WHO’S WITH ME?!

December 16, 2008 | Categories: NewSpring, Student Ministry, Vision | 2 Comments"

lynda said...

Davey is like HAL in 2001 space odyssey. He is learning. His mothers day blog post couldn't be more PRO Amanda. Those this sentence puzzled me. It is DAvey talking about Amanda's beauty.

"It was the kind of beauty that made every man take notice. It was the kind of beauty that made every woman angry and envious."

Every woman was angry and enivous? Angry? Because she was lovely? What an odd choice of words. He has said that every woman that met her was angry and envious of her. If that was true, she would have no friends. I have no doubt that Meg was angry and envious, but everyone?

THe rest of the blog, considering he said Weston wouldn't even remember her or need her, is full of mommy's was this, mommy was that...somebody is obviously helping him write the blogs because this kind of Hallmark card writing is not Davey's style. He addresses things that people have criticized him for not saying such as, I know she gave her life for yours, to protect you, he still is not saying murdered, he is saying "killed". But he is definitely reading here and elsewhere and he is learning.

"Open the door Davey"
"I'm afraid I can't do that" (2001 space odyssey)

Davey's mothers day blog

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Does this sound slightly familiar? Does it sound a lot like the Davey High School big mistake story Davey "shared" during one of his sermons?


"Walking alone into the principal's office, I saw the disappointment on everyone's faces.

Life long friends, coaches, and teachers were all taken back when they heard the news about me. I was sick to my stomach the whole time, and I knew I had to face the consequences of my double life." ©2016 NewSpring Church

(It is the intro to Scooter Barnwell's Story https://newspring.cc/stories/scooter-barnwell)


-Is anyone else getting the sense that Davey Blackburn seems to borrow a lot from other people in his sermons? Or all these NewSpring devotees/pastors really just clones, working a highly developed and heavily taught marketing scheme?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Hey Jude- I'm not sure if you my post up thread at 2:10 AM, but Davey's done a lot of recycling.

LJ B said...

"Angry and envious". This is like bragging about you new Porsche or something. Amanda was definitely an accessory to him. NOt a person, a beautiful accessory. He delights in others' jealousy.

The statement that stood out most to me. aside from the obvious Amanda overkill - again obviously reactionary, most likely in response to what he reads here - was this:

"When you get older you’re going to have lots of questions about what happened the morning she was killed. I know it up-ended your world as much as anyone’s."

"Anyone's"? The natural wording would be "mine", or "the rest of our family". He does have a STRONG aversion to ownership of any natural feelings of mourning. I believe these little slips in phrasing are the keys to the whole thing. Even though the subject of this new post is entirely about Amanda, and seemingly crafted to answer to any speculation that he has not been deeply marked by her death, he STILL cannot own his own true feelings, in the details. He can't say "mine", "I" loved her, "I" needed her, "I" don't know what to do without her, "I" miss her. He merely thanks her for showing Weston affection and closeness, so that Weston would be able to transfer it TO HIM AT SOME POINT. He speaks of her like she was some sort of wet-nurse or former nanny.

"Your mommy was nurturing. This is why you love to cuddle. One of your favorite things to do with mommy (and her favorite too) was to fall asleep on her shoulder or chest. She would rock you back and forth until whatever was ailing you subsided. She fostered your love for books, and I’m so glad she did! This is why you love to sit down and read with daddy! "

So Davey didn't read to Weston, and probably didn't show much physical affection, either. Color me shocked.

Peter Hyatt said...

The next article is about the ideology that Davey Blackburn sells for a living; its claims and its impact upon culture.

That which is our culture, is in our language.

I have heard two dismissals of DB's words, both using the ideology:

1. He did not grieve his losses and concentrated on numbers because he loves lost souls so much.

This was to defend his bizarre language using the ideology.

the second is equally wrong:

2. His language was because his ideology. It is not that he is showing guilt, it is just that he sees himself and his god in such close proximity

Both of these claims dismiss the analysis.

Both of these claims are wrong.

The article is almost complete, which is then followed by complete analysis and conclusions....

LJ B said...

Sorry, meant to say that Davey cannot own the feelings he purports to have towards Amanda, these likely aren't his "true feelings". The mask seems to slip; sporadically, but it does slip in roughly the same way every time; via non-ownership of conventional, natural, loving emotions.

He can't help himself. Perhaps he imagines that his writing feels richer with less cliches, I don't know. The whole thing is a cliche. It's like building a sand castle and then trying to glue diamonds on the outside. Weird, and pointless.

HISG said...

"It was the kind of beauty that made every man take notice. It was the kind of beauty that made every woman angry and envious."

Some may not want to hear this, but as a narcissist/psychopath/self-centered person, he views Amanda as an extension of HIMSELF, so his words above about Amanda are actually about himself and how men and women perceive HIM.

HISG said...

He perceives, due to his homosexuality, that every man takes takes notice of him while every woman is "angry and envious" that he does not respond to them, bc he is gay.

Please see the myth of Narcissus/Echo which illustrates exactly what he is saying.

Fm25 said...

"I’m sure I could write everything there is to know about her, but there wouldn’t be enough libraries to fill the books required to describe how incredible she was."
- this is similar to how he responded when asked to describe Amanda in the first interview after her murder.
- she was beautiful. Yes she was but this whole paragraph seemed like over the top fluff. Especially the part about making other women angry and envious. Feels like he's just making stuff up that he thinks will sound good.
- she was diligent. Talks about baby wise schedule she got him on. Really shouldn't be the 2nd thing on list of what he wants Weston to know a about his mommy.
- she was nurturing. Just an observation but letting your child fall asleep on you is a big no no for baby wise followers. I hope it's true though bc every baby needs that type of cuddling
-she was gritty
- she was tough
-she was tender-hearted
-she was wise
-she was confident
-she was poised
-"she was surrendered" Here we go again. Leak much, davey?
- she was brave. This paragraph broke my heart a bit. Poor Weston. Finally says how much she loved Weston. Could have led with that.
- she was completely perfect
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- never says they were in love, he loved her, she loved him... Shocking.

Hey Jude said...

Well, that was not written for Weston's benefit.

'Ooze' and 'dripped' - oh dear - those are absolutely the wrong words to have used.

Davey thinks a beautiful woman makes every other woman angry and envious. What type of women does he know, or imagine that he knows? It's a bit damning of all those he and Amanda knew. That's not how women are (is it?) - well, excepting the likes of Tammy Moorer, for whom that obviously was true. Davey lives in a shallow world, and even if he believed that, to have said it demonstrates his lack of emotional intelligence. He's beyond.

Fostering, hey. That's interesting - more story, interesting.

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Peter - once the article and conclusions are published, does that mean the DB discussion here should be considered closed with that or those posts and threads, unless you post further Blackburn articles?

Fm25 said...

Hmmm, the fostering comment was odd and out of nowhere. Guessing that will come up again.

Leslie said...

LJB, my brain naturally filled in "mine," when I first read, "I know it up-ended your world as much as..."

At first I was shocked that he gives Amanda credit for instilling a love for reading into Weston, as he put her down in the past for not being well read (like him).

Yes, the Mother's Day post sounds like a Hallmark card, or movie. I think Amanda hung the moon for many, but, DB's on that list. And, the gushing descriptions don't jibe with his initial statement, when he said he lost his mission partner (or something similar) and best friend. Remember, for a long time he didn't even mention what a wonderful mother she was, after her death?

I am FLOORED by all of his deleting and clearing. I read his old blog posts shortly after Amanda's murder, and wish I'd saved them. Kudos to those of you that have searched and pieced together some of them.

Davey, NewSpring, and other churches and bloggers must being really green, as there's an awful lot of recycling going on!

Foolfeedonfolly, that is so interesting that about the similarity between Scott Brantwell's "story," (which I haven't read yet- I'm still trying to get up to par on all that's been posted today), and DB's HS life-changing lesson he says he learned, regarding his lie.

And then there's the additional layer of DB seeming gay (or, possibly bisexual), as HISG reminded us. There's just so much to wade through, consider, and try to analyze.

I'm looking forward to Peter's upcoming blog post!

Anonymous said...

I meant to say:

I think Amanda hung the moon for many, but, *I seriously doubt that* DB's on that list.

Concerned said...

There are certainly some themes in the Bible that preachers speak about more often than others but
I've seen men preach original thoughts for decades drawing from the rich material in the Old and New Testaments.
However, these PN-type New Age "pastors" consistently spout the same stuff, jazzing it up and adding in a shocking piece of music or a visual and call that preaching the Gospel? Sometimes they even completely reinterpret inspired scripture like PN did with the Ten Commandments and Davey does weekly!

Such arrogance is mind-boggling.
But they have figured out a way to gain power and money by selling their brands in a way
that appeals to those who like a dose of adrenaline with their religion.
I will never understand it and for that, I'm thankful.

I continue to believe that Davey feels like the luckiest dude of the NewSpring bunch with Amanda's Story as his launchpad.
He was bummed when just before Amanda's accident/killing, Kenneth was about to go to two services because his numbers were so high. I still think that, added to Amanda's catching him at something, pushed him over the edge. He was about to lose
his grip on a life of being exalted above others. He would have to figure out a way to make a living as a regular, average Joe.

I also wonder if he doesn't want to finally show up those who made him feel so embarrassed and lousy over the "mistake" he was outed for in high school. How better to do that than become"pastor" of a Mega-church?!

Fm25 said...

I am born and raised Catholic and admittedly know very little about other denominations. I'm trying to learn though. So resonate church is part of newspring which is no longer southern baptist, correct? What denomination are they then? Do they have confessions and if so who would hear them? From what I've seen from davey I gather they take some things such as 1 man, 1 wife for life and wively duties very seriously. But then they twist some things to suit them. Like the 10 Commandments, gambling, etc. it's all very disturbing. Looking forward to the new article.

Concerned said...

Fm25
Southern Baptists distanced themselves from NewSpring over the Ten Commandments issue. This is covered pretty extensively on the PajamaPages blog.
There is no confession. Davey supposedly was caught or confessed looking at porn and had his computer history regular monitored by Perry Noble and Amanda, for what that's worth.
Anyone who uses the word "honestly" and "transparent" as much as Davey is rarely either of these.

NewSpring does not consider itself part of a denomination. They don't even have their "preachers" trained in formal schools.

Students pay money to "intern" at NS where they spend much of their time doing flunky work like setting up chairs and such. I believe this is also covered on PajamaPages by a Baptist college professor. Credits at NS do not transfer to any other accredited school.

If I remember correctly, Amanda and Davey were fronted $100,000 to go to Indy and start NewSpring. It has never been as successful as other NS plants and I would bet plans were underway to can it. Davey was never able to build membership (or what they call "ownership") so the dollars weren't rolling in to make it self-sufficient.

Yu sized these people up perfectly with the phrase, "twist some things to suit them". I would only alter that by saying they twist EVERYTHING to suit them!


Concerned said...

correction - regularly
correction - You

Leslie said...

"The last couple weeks of her life she talked a lot about us fostering kids."

Hey Jude, I also found the fostering comment interesting, and out of the blue. How convenient that he brings it up now, similar to just recently mentioning that when he "found Amanda," he assumed she'd lost the pregnancy. Who knows if Amanda actually mentioned fostering during the two weeks before her brutal murder. She might have, but, Davey doesn't tell us if HE wanted to be a foster parent. He already made it clear how much having Weston cramped his lifestyle and affected their sex life. And, as has been discussed, Amanda's recent pregnancy seemed to be the last straw for DB.

"Your mommy was completely perfect. She was perfect for me and perfect for you."

In most of DB's sermons and videos, he certainly didn't act like Amanda was perfect for him (the grill, her lack of meeting her sexual needs, he interrupts her and talks on top of her, and in particular, his body language and seething facial expressions, tight lips, etc, in the Love Song Q & A video)

"I found a quote on her phone that read...."

How interesting he saves and shares things from his phone, but, clears his own cell/texting history?!

As for her beauty, without a doubt, Amanda was attractive, had presence, charm, and radiated. But, DB certainly tried to take center stage in their photographs, as well as in their lives. I did find it odd how he described other women's jealousy. It certainly seems he has a ghost writer, or at least someone helping him pen his written for Hallmark blog posts.

Every one of DB's blog posts is so rich in things to analyze, as well as his sermon videos. And, yes, Hey Jude, "ooze" and "drip" are maybe not the best words for DB to use...

Leslie said...

Correction:

..her lack of meeting *his* sexual needs.

Maybe that was a freudian slip on my part. I do hope she had some pleasure in that department.

I will try to start proofing my comments before posting!

mom2many said...

Is the mother's day post Davey's way of explaining why Weston wasn't screaming when he arrived home? Because he doesn't wake until "8am on the dot?"

Fm25 said...

Thank you concerned, that was a big help. Everything I saw online kept saying southern baptist but I knew I heard something about them not being baptist on here. Wow, that is crazy and scary when you think of how much influence these "pastors" have over people. And they just keep getting richer and richer. it must take a special kind of person to prey off people like that.

Fm25 said...

Probably but I don't know many toddlers that could sleep through 3 gunshots!

Bingo3 said...

Mom2Many, I caught that too about waking up at 8 on the dot. He seems to becoming up with explanations for everything. Did she also train him to sleep through gun shots. Will the next blog explain the dog?

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mom2many said...

You are welcome! My heart and prayers are with you. Take care of yourself, along with your loved ones.

Concerned said...

ima.grandma.
I was already praying for you folks in Oklahoma because of the tornado.
I will add you and your parents specifically to those prayers.
Moore has seen more than its share of bad storms and it sounds like you and your family have had
more than your share of health issues. Didn't you have a health crisis yourself last year?
God bless all of you.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Fm2 and Bingo3

Amanda must have trained Weston to sleep through 3 gunshots,his mother screaming,the decorative ladder and lamp being knocked on the floor, and a brawl going on in the livingroom (not to mention yelling and -judging by their Facebook pages- likely a slew of angry, threatening cuss words).

I'm curious that in one of the pics of Amanda decorating the tree, there appears to be an alarm panel is behind the tree on the wall (the wall separating the living room and kitchen)

1. https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 7 Nov 2014

I'm so pumped about this!! #ThankfulForJesusBirth.



I'm wondering if that's a security system sensor on top the front door frame in this picture.

2. https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 23 Jul 2014

#nesting


If so on both counts, did Amanda usually set the security system, being home alone with Weston? Particularly if she'd expressed increasing concern to neighbors about recent robberies nearby? If yes, then the door should have alarmed when Taylor entered (yet another noise Weston "slept through").

Fm25 said...

Speaking of clearing the history, I believe Meg's Twitter acct, which she'd recently made public, has disappeared. For people who have "nothing to hide" they sure are trying to hide a lot.

Concerned said...

Meg is important in this story.
One day we'll know why, I feel sure.

Bingo3 said...

Ok, there have been days that I haven't been able to read on here and I must have missed something really important!! What keeps disappearing? And Meg's twitter has been deleted?

Bingo3 said...

Wait, Meg account is still open but I am curious what you guys see that Davey is deleting?

Fm25 said...

Really? Sorry for spreading fake info. I checked a few times but still not finding it on Twitter. Maybe I've been blocked?
-
Davey's blog entries from 2008, his Facebook profile (now has fan page) and apparently his cell phone text history have been deleted.

lynda said...

Fools said,

""Walking alone into the principal's office, I saw the disappointment on everyone's faces.

Life long friends, coaches, and teachers were all taken back when they heard the news about me. I was sick to my stomach the whole time, and I knew I had to face the consequences of my double life." ©2016 NewSpring Church

(It is the intro to Scooter Barnwell's Story https://newspring.cc/stories/scooter-barnwell)


-Is anyone else getting the sense that Davey Blackburn seems to borrow a lot from other people in his sermons?"


*************

Excellent catch! I'm going to throw it out there. Everyone on this blog, including Peter, has based conclusions on Davey stating as fact that "he disappointed everyone, students, teachers, coaches, etc. all turned away from him, etc.

What if it never happened?
What if Davey is just lying?
What if he made it all up just to be cool, or hip, or mysterious, the old.."I've known sin my friends, I can relate to YOU"
He never tells what it was that brought all this down on him and speculations/theories have been based on what it could be.

The biggest reason that I now believe that he made up the story and it's complete bullshit is because,

NOT ONE PERSON HE HAS EVER KNOWN OR THAT HAS KNOWN HIM HAS TOLD WHAT IT WAS! Somebody, somewhere, would have told by now.
If it was so bad, how could he have gotten a scholarship to play college ball?
If it was so bad, why would Amanda even marry him, much less her father approve of her marrying him.
Since they moved after it "supposedly happened" I think there was an assumption that he moved because it was so bad when maybe they moved simply because his dad was pastoring a new church.
IF this is true, and please everyone, let's pretend that it is true that DAvey lied about the "horrible event"...what does that do to the SA? Part of Davey's profile for lack of a better word, was based on the "event". Mostly the assumption that it was something to do with homosexuality or cheating.

What does everyone think?

HISG said...

Mom2many and Bingo

Notice when Davey checked on Weston when he came home and found Amanda "almost dead, he said Weston "appeared" OK.
Also, the way he says he dialed 911 mid-action "while running up the stairs to check on Weston" makes me think Weston was not actually upstairs--it's unnatural the way he says it. Also, I believe Weston was drugged with benadryl or something and only "appeared" OK. Very odd that he doesnt mention whether Weston was awake, asleep, crying, etc when he checks on him and he "appears" OK. This concerns me quite a bit. I think he did something to Weston. I wonder if he duct taped his mouth. Why wouldnt he mention Weston was crying when he found him? Weston would have been hungry for breakfast while his mother lay bleeding.

HISG said...

I just figured it out. He duct taped Weston's mouth so the neighbors would not hear him screaming nonstop for hours from the crib while Amanda lay bleeding so the neighbors would not call the cops. The reason why he dials 911 mid-action "while running upstairs to check on Weston" is because he wanted to make damn sure he got the duct tape off Weston's mouth before ambulance/police arrived. Weston "appears" OK but Weston was not "internally" OK having been traumatized from having his mouth taped shut for hours, however he "appeared" OK.

Anonymous said...

Fm25 said...
Really? Sorry for spreading fake info. I checked a few times but still not finding it on Twitter. Maybe I've been blocked?
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Davey's blog entries from 2008, his Facebook profile (now has fan page) and apparently his cell phone text history have been deleted.

May 9, 2016 at 10:10 PM


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Why would she block you?

Anonymous said...

Fm25 said...
Really? Sorry for spreading fake info. I checked a few times but still not finding it on Twitter. Maybe I've been blocked?
-
Davey's blog entries from 2008, his Facebook profile (now has fan page) and apparently his cell phone text history have been deleted.

May 9, 2016 at 10:10 PM


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Also....How does it affect anything if he deleted his phone texts? You couldn't see them anyway, and the police have had many months to check out his text history.

HISG said...

Lynda,

It is odd that noone mentions what Davey's big trangression was, but didnt his parents move out of town bc of whatever it was?

Leslie said...

I was a lurker on these DB threads from early on. I started out as just Anonymous, and then signed my comments as "-L." This is all to say that...something just occurred to me. When DB's old blog posts were mentioned months ago, someone that regularly posts here said they had somehow saved, archived, or taken screen shots of them, in case they went "poof!" I think it was a male poster....I hope he's still on here!

Like Mom2Many, I'm intrigued by DB's 2009 post she mentioned, that references (and used to have an embedded link) to a "principle" that he struggled with. I remember reading that post, back in Nov. or Dec., and clicking on the link. I was curious about the principle. I don't want to say what it might have been, because I'm not certain, and not trusting my memory. We've all read SO much, and my mind has been in overdrive.

Similar to Fools and Many, I keep going back to what DB wrote in his earlier blog about his HS lie, and how he disappointed teachers, coaches, peers, etc. Although I also find it hard to believe that no one from back then is talking about it now (or not online, that I've discovered), I somehow think something did happen. Whether it was cheating, drugs or steroids, or something of a sexual nature- or a lie about something involving of a sexual nature, which was speculated months ago (such as if he accused a coach or teacher of inappropriate relations), it rings true to me. But, that's entirely my opinion. Even so, Lynda, you raise a good question. It is possible it was total conjecture-that he made up a lie about a lie. It is possible. And, it's certainly worth considering. With this guy you just never know what's what.

Mainly, I wondered if anyone else recalls someone saying they saved DB's old blog posts?

Leslie said...

Here's a link to an older DB blog, which has been mentioned before. It looks like it's mainly from 2006 - '07, but might give some insight.

http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/

HISG said...

I have wondered about this before as to whether he is lying about the "scandal' in high school, but I don't think he is.

What I think is that he did something bad and lied and said someone else did it but someone figured out it was him and that is when he "got hauled into the principal's office.

I can certainly guess as to what he may have done. I have ideas. I don't think it was anything to do with being homosexual or anything of that nature. It was more that he did something violent or to do with arson IMO, in other words, he was a juvenile delinquent. He got in big trouble for lying about who did it IMO. Someone else got initially blamed and punished and then people somehow figure out it was really Davey.

Leslie said...

Wow, I'd forgotten about his other old blog. He was living in Alabama still when the one, above, was written, as well as this one (sorry if I'm being redundant, per info others have posted. I'm having difficulty keeping up!):

http://caipha.blogspot.com/



HISG said...

But, I think the heart of the scandal was that he ruined someone else's reputation, most likely a fellow student.

Leslie said...

Correction:

DB had already graduated from high school when he wrote those blogs I posted, 2 & 3 posts up. But, his bio listed Northport, Alabama, so, I got confused. He must have been at Southern Wesleyan by then. But, interesting that he listed Alabama. I guess he still identified with it as his home.

lynda said...

HISG said...
Lynda,

It is odd that noone mentions what Davey's big trangression was, but didnt his parents move out of town bc of whatever it was?


********

It was conjectured that that is why they moved. I'm holding firm that someone, somewhere, would have spilled this info. You are talking about a huge amount of people that would have known and not ONE has said anything?? On Topix, reddit, etc, FB? Everybody wasn't a fan of Davey, somebody would have said something. Again, it didn't disallow him getting a scholarship to college to play ball. I'm thinking I'm on the right track. Somebody would have told, posted, twittered, fb'd, SOmethinG!

HISG said...

Lynda,

I agree it is very odd that noone has spoken out about it.

If he did make it up, it suggests that he is a pathological liar, essentially lying for no reason. I don't see how he really gains from telling the lie. I can believe he is a pathological liar.

rosy said...

Maybe we should remember Penn State, Sandusky, Paterno. A kid was not believed might be pushed to say he lied.

rosy said...

i.e. a kid ^who^ was not believed... And there would be no trace, no news about it.

rosy said...

Rereading some of his 2006 blog I had to remind myself that he was 19 or 20 when he wrote it. I would judge his mental age at the time as about 14, maybe 15. The one element that qualifies this impression is his Jesus-obsession. His Christianity is pasted onto immaturity.

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