Tuesday, May 3, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Part One: Understanding Ideology

We have a murder case investigation that went cold shy 20 years ago, for analysis, that we have been working on.  

The analysis has solved the case, and I believe it is going to end with justice in court.  Knowing who did it is the first step and Statement Analysis has been the single best tool employed, but now what is known must be proven, and in enters forensic experts while the critical interview with the subject is being prepared, as well as collateral interviews gathering information that has affirmed the findings of the investigation. 

It is not a case that is public, but like so many that we do, it is private and when justice is served, none of the analysts who devoted hard work and concentration will receive any public recognition.  

They will know.  

They will feel a great sense of satisfaction and they will say, "all the hard work, not only done here, but in the years of study, testing, preparation and practice, were worth it."

This will be followed by, "What's our next case?" with an eagerness to get back to work.  

Success can be its own reward, but when coupled with justice, there is something deep within human nature that is satisfied when injustice is defeated.  

Statement Analysis takes a subject's verbalized perception of reality, breaks it down into very small parts, examines all the parts, and comes to a conclusion.  Behind all these tiny parts is a belief system that the subject holds. Behind this belief system is his culture.  Behind his culture is a founding ideology.  

Therefore, when we seek to understand one's verbalized perception of reality, we must attempt to learn some basic elements about his belief system, as formed by culture and ideological influences.  Recently, analysts were charged with a cold case murder in which the subject chose to begin his statement 70 years earlier than the date of the murder:  the Great Depression.  This is a priority for him.  He began his statement with a portrait of the victim with the backdrop of the depression of the 1930's, and moved on to the victim being an unwed mother and welfare.   

This is to have a very different cultural view than it does today.  If we enter the statement with the projection of acceptance of these two elements in our culture, we will not understand nor discern if the subject is justifying murder, or showing sympathy for the victim.  There were specific widely held views on both of these topics back then, which reflected the larger ideology that stood behind it.  If you did not know the ideological beliefs, you would not have known if the subject was playing the role of prosecutor or defense attorney...or, as is the case of intimate murder, where deep internal conflicting drives and impulses are in play, both. 

Murderers often find a way to subtly blame their victim, or justify the killing because the victim "deserved" to be murdered. 

This is the mirror opposite of one of the most prolific sentiments expressed today at a shocking murder, such as the Amanda Blackburn murder:  

"She did not deserve to die this way!"  or anything similar.  

In fact, this is an "expected" in analysis, and it is not nullified by religious faith which does not want to indict God, yet recognizes that in the definition of "God", all things are under His control, including death and evil, yet trust (faith) is demanded.  In the Amanda Blackburn murder, this was a typical defense reaction to the distancing (and even indifferent) statements made by the victim's husband. It takes time to process a shocking murder.  

You might say that every murder comes as a shock, but it is not true for those who hold guilty knowledge.  Even those of faith, not willing to indict God with sin (see the ancient book of Job) will lament the way the victim died.  Not willing to lie and alter "God" (destroying the definition) they still feel the shock of such an unnatural death and the language shows this.  Years later, with much processed, the words may begin to soften.  But when there is no "shock", the "shocking" after events, such as forgiveness, are not so very surprising and give us a strong sense of theater, rather than extraordinary faith.  In fact, in the Judeo-Christian ideology (speaking of the Amanda Blackburn murder), there is no statement or promise within the ideology (as found in the Bible) that any "release from the pressure tension or conflict in living the Christian life." Instead, faith is a reaction, or a coping mechanism, where the intellect cannot grasp infinity, and must then trust. This theme, to the contrary, is promised or referenced throughout, both by precept and by example.  Perhaps the greatest single example of this comes from the shortest sentence of the Bible.  In this claim, Christ knew that He was to be unjustly accused, tried and condemned to death and that Jerusalem, the marvelous beautiful city which hosted His Father's Word for centuries, would soon, in just a generation, be destroyed, with even the gorgeous temple torn down, block by block, in the coming invasion and slaughter by 70 AD. 

He claimed to be God, (definition:  all knowing, all controlling, all powerful, perfection, eternal, etc) yet in considering what heartache awaited the inhabitants, with their wealthy properties and beautiful edifices about to become worthless as some would run for their lives while most would not survive, it says, "Jesus wept."

This is the answer of 'hyper faith' or 'superman' rather than being utterly devastated by the murder of the "one half of one person" (marriage) when Amanda was cruelly killed.

The Ideology 

I have written that Islam is the world's most successful criminal ideology in human history, eclipsing the inherent theft within communism/socialism, dwarfing the less than 2 decade run of national socialism, and shadowing any specific regime's run of evil.  

No ideology has been more powerful in overcoming entire countries. 
No ideology has led to more specific crimes, including sexual assaults. 
No ideology has been more insulated from reform than Islam.  To even criticize it, no less reform it, calls for the death penalty.  Also, in mimicking the Protestant Reformation, the call was to return to "sola Scriptura" and most people do not want Islam to "reform" by returning to the teaching of the Koran or the life of Mohammad.  This is where rape is taught, even in the religious 'reward' element, and jihad is explicit, including by migration into a land.  

What is lost in all of this is the notion of impact of an ideology, and how this impact shows itself in language.  It is critical for analysts to understand the various cultural ideologies and how they eventually show themselves in action; highlighted for us, specifically, in the verbalized perception of reality. 

With this in mind, I wish to examine  the world's major ideologies and how the verbalized perception of reality has been impacted.  It is important to consider, as we begin, that this is about an ideology and its impact; not about faith, nor religion, though all major ideologies have religious beliefs.  The issue is not "jihad", for in any war, only a small percentage of a population actually fights as soldiers.  The issue is the ideology, itself, that calls for the destruction of others.  If only 1% actually believe the ideology, this is to say, 1,000,000 people today are jihadists.  For 1400 years, this ideology has brought death and destruction; not progress, not civil rights, not justice, not arts, education, nor literature.  It is not 'bad luck', nor is it 'bad genes' or any form of racist belief.  It is the ideology, and how the ideology impacts those within a culture, whether or not they believe the teachings.  

We begin with Christianity, the outworking of Judaism.  This is "Judeo-Christian" thought.  

If you wish to understand the words, you must understand the person.
If you wish to understand the person, you must view the culture.
If you view the culture, you must view the ideology and how it impacts those living with it. 

As we turn to study the murder of Amanda Blackburn, I will give a brief understanding of the ideology that influences the language as well as influence how we react to the statements.  

We will view the basic ideology and the personality of those who simultaneously claim the ideology, while personally opposing it.  

We will view those who do not affirm the ideology, but nevertheless are strongly influenced by it.  A classic example is in the moral argument.  A British comedian, for example, Pat Condel, posts effective videos on You Tube decrying the Islamization of his country and the world at large.  He condemns Islamic ideology by employing Judeo-Christian ideology that he grew up within, and when he is done, he adds in his condemnation of Christianity.  

He uses principle borrowed from Christianity effectively (and accurately) and then condemns the very tools he used, grew up in, and directly benefited from.  He does not understand the 'history of thought' for himself, and for others.  

In fact, the ignorance of the history of thought is a main element within all biological racism.  If those who look upon ignorance and barbaric practice, knew their own history, they'd be incapable of believing in their own genetic superiority.  

To understand the Blackburn murder, we examine the language of the surviving spouse.  We do have some of the victim's language, but it is not about the murder.  The spouse's language has been key to understanding his verbalized perception of reality.  It is his. It is uniquely his.  

We believe what we are told unless strong evidence arises to confront this belief.  

It is critical to understand the driving ideology behind him, any bastardization of the ideology, (and why this is done) as well as his own ambitions, in order to get a full linguistic profile and insight into what happened to Amanda Blackburn. 

Next up:  The Ideology as the backdrop of the murder.  

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lynda said...

Interesting and informative Peter

Anonymous said...

Yes to all that except I don't want to wait 20 years. Maybe if Trump wins the election they'll be able to water-board Amanda Blackburn's killers, and we can get to the bottom of this.

Anonymous said...

Isn't that the classic "Perfect Murder" in literature/film? Where the actual killer(s) have no idea who they are working for or why they are doing it. So even if law enforcement catches the killers, it's untraceable/unsolvable and Law Enforcement calls it "random" and that's the end of it.

Me2l said...

That would grant an exceptional level of brilliance to Davey in his alleged planning of his wife's murder.

I seriously doubt he's astute enough to ingeniously wrap up all the loose ends, remotely mastermind others as if they were puppets whose strings he pulled, and perform an unsolvable murder.

Davey, through his revealing and arrogant statements, just doesn't seem to possess such intelligence and effective scheming.

Is he really smarter than ALL of LE, especially if Amanda's murder was spontaneous?

John mcgowan said...

OT:

Ocoee woman's death now ruled homicide

There is a audio clip (it looks like it is only partial and maybe edited) of the daughters 911 call and partial transcript in this article. It is not known (going by this report) whether or not her daughter begins the 911 call in what seems like "alibi building" ("I just came in from being out with my friends and my back door's open, and (inaudible) in her room laying down, please help me!") or this comes after she say's ("Oh my God, please, somebody help me,"


The former maybe in response to a question from the operator?

Also in the "audio" clip she say's "Please help they're still in the house"

The OP says "the people are still in the house"

Caller: "yes, please help me"

OP: "Where are the people that shot her?"

Caller: "I don't know, i don't know"

An investigator suggest that the subjects were not in the house, that perhaps the daughter was in shock since she said she only heard the intruders. However, that is not what she says in the 911 call, that is, unless it was stated later.

This is a very confusing choppy report.

Article and audio below.

OCOEE, Fla. —Ocoee police said the death of a 63-year-old woman is now being investigated as a homicide.

Investigators searched in and around the home on West Franklin Street for clues for more than 12 hours over the weekend. Officers were sent there early Saturday morning to investigate a report of an injured woman. She was taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

Authorities on Monday identified the woman as Mary Anne Zosel.

"Oh my God, please, somebody help me," a caller told a 911 dispatcher.

A call to 911 was made just after midnight Friday. Police said Zosel's daughter found her unresponsive.

"I just came in from being out with my friends and my back door's open, and (inaudible) in her room laying down, please help me!" the caller said.

"Where are the people that shot her?" the dispatcher replied.

"I don't know, I don't know, please help," the caller said.

An investigator suggests the daughter may have been in shock since she said she only heard intruders and never saw them.

Although the emergency call for help suggests a gunshot, police are not confirming how the victim was killed.

The victim's son, who was out of state working, said he was too shaken to speak about his mother on camera, but wanted her remembered as being sweet.

Crime scene experts spent 12 hours collecting evidence Saturday, a disturbing sight for people in the neighborhood.

"I just hate to see what happened what went wrong this morning and hope for the best for them all," said neighbor Steven Cape.

Nearly seven years ago, Tracy Ocasio vanished and was never found. Ocasio's car was found near a house on West Franklin Street back in 2009, shortly after she vanished. Police said it's an ironic coincidence, nothing more.

Investigators said they are aggressively looking into leads as they come in, trying to figure out what happened and who would mean this woman harm.

Anyone with information on the case is asked to contact the Ocoee Police Department at 407-905-3160 or Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS (8477).

http://www.wesh.com/news/ocoee-womans-death-now-ruled-homicide/39323728

Fm25 said...

It really doesn't take a mastermind, just an evil one. He gave instruction to link the crime scenes. Le is not stupid but they did believe him and they did follow the chain of evidence as he expected they would.

John mcgowan said...

Update on my OT:

Woman found dead in Ocoee home ID'd
Police rule Mary Anne Zosel's death a homicide


OCOEE, Fla. - The death of a 63-year-old woman whose body was found inside an Ocoee home over the weekend has been ruled a homicide.

According to police, officers went to a home on West Franklin Street at 12:30 a.m. Saturday to investigate a report of an injured woman. She died later at a hospital, police said

Police said there were no signs of forced entry or a struggle. Police also said the culprit was likely someone Zozel trusted and possibly knew.

"We know that there was no forced entry so we are concluding or suspecting it was either somebody that she knew or it was a family member or someone she may have met and brought home to help out," said Ocoee Police Department Spokesperson Lt. Mike Bryant. "But it was somebody who somehow got into the house, had her trust for a little while and for some reason the visit went bad."

No other details have been released, and an investigation is continuing, police said.

"I just hate to see what happened, what went wrong this morning and just hope for the best for them all," a neighbor said. "I come back outside and I seen all the action going on. That's when I seen it was at my buddy's house at the time."

Jenna Bell says Zozel was a sweet neighbor and says police were at the house for hours into the next day investigating.

"I mean that's really sad," said next door neighbor Jenna Bell. "It's scary. I mean I can't believe it. I really couldn't believe it."

Anyone with information about Zosel's death is asked to call the Ocoee Police Department at 407-905-3160 or Crimeline at 800-423-TIPS.

http://www.clickorlando.com/web/wkmg/news/death-investigation-underway-ocoee

Fm25 said...

There was a failure in that le got a dna hit off the pink sweater. Whether that was intentional or not depends on just how elaborate his scheme was. If the end result db desired was going down in history as the modern day Jesus Christ who forgave his enemies and ultimately saved them all while getting rich from book deals, movie deals, and donations from the poor people who believe in him, then it may very well have been intentional.

Anonymous said...

http://www.zerocensorship.com/t/uncensored-philippines-news/261818-isis-affiliate-abu-sayyaf-beheading-execution-of-canadian-john-ridsdel-in-the-philippines-video#axzz47cVh1d5O

LJ B said...

He's not smarter than law enforcement, but it's possible that they're much lazier than we imagine they should be. We can't discount the "easy suspect" appeal to lazy persons of law enforcement, especially if the suspects' apprehension makes the department look good. 3 black kids out-a' muggin and a'robbin'...CAUGHT!

imo there has to be someone WILLING to explore these possibilities. And with modern knowledge of the frequency of wrongful convictions facilitated by all manner of prejudice, corruption, and collusion between various branches of the judicial system, well, call me skeptical.

LJ B said...

Ooops not just 3 black kids", but 3 black, violent GANG MEMBERS.

It's almost irresistable to end the story with them. And even if LE has a change of heart, they're not going to admit it or backpedal. Unless....the shake up at the department was substantial. Does anyone know the details? Was there a significant changing of the guard or was it mostly for show?

Fm25 said...

I'm local but don't know details on police shake-up. I know the impd is very familiar with these gangs so it was easy to believe, especially when u consider db and ab had a picture perfect relationship on the surface. It's prob too late though, all the evidence is gone and 2 of the suspects are going along with the plan. Very convenient those 2 went off and left the most volatile and least connected one alone with Amanda. Very convenient they left so many clues linking the crime scenes. if he never gets arrested I'm glad there are people like watch-keep and others making sure everyone knows the details he hoped would just be forgotten.

Anonymous said...

Here's a wild speculation:

Pastor DB's confidante & mentor, Pastor PN, arranged the whole thing without ever (explicitly) telling DB the plan. Or, maybe it was Pastor KW, DB's good friend and old college roommate who arranged for the favor/gift. Or both PN and KW? (or someone else)

On the parts of PN and/or KW (or whoever), it was an selfless gesture for dear friend DB, whom they love, and whose Important Life Mission was being held back by one thing ("wife and 2 little kids and a small congregation the rest of my life").

They knew DB's daily routines, etc., & even said "On November 10th, God wants you to be sure to go to the gym as normal (don't be late!), and when you get home, go ahead and have your usual phone conversation with KW, but stay in the driveway." and so on.

Ha ha, just pure wild speculation.

But I like it because it fits with all the DB interviews after the murder.

DB's demeanor in those interviews - - I've seen that before, and it's so familiar - I instinctively recognize that human reaction: The person who just won the lottery - - No, that's not quite it - -

Rather, what DB was exuding in those post-murder interviews, it was the person who has just received a very, very, generous gift from someone(s).

He was the person who is feeling the warm hug of receiving a wonderful gift that is just the thing they needed in life.

He was exuding that combination of surprise, gratitude and awe that we see from people who just received a hugely generous gift which was just the thing they most needed, the thing that solves all their problems.

Nic said...

Cliffhanger...!!

I'm really looking forward to reading the next part.

Speaking of cultural view, we learned when touring Iceland that when fishermen were rescued from the icy waters, [they] would toss them in bed, naked, with their young daughters. The purpose was threefold: 1) to warm up the hypothermic fisherman, 2) water down the gene pool (very small community/ies) and 3) expand the family/help.

A young, pregnant daughter was a blessing!

Anonymous said...

He was in awe.

Anonymous said...

OT

Reposting interview with Missy Bever's husband.


Reporter: “She meant a lot of things to a lot of people, but what did she mean to you as her husband?”

“Well, she was a, she was a companion, we enjoyed fishing, we def. – we, we enjoyed going to the beach, we spent a lot of time at the ocean. Um, we, we’ve been together for 20 years and ah, over the 20 years, you know, our relationship evolved form this to that to this to that, and we’ve managed to keep it, you know, held together all this time. But at this particular venture in our lives, it opened up an opportunity for her to do something that was gratifying to herself rather than raising a family constantly – driving kids around, and ah, and she’s just, like I said, the Camp Gladiator opportunity came up, and ah... ...”

Reporter: What do you want strangers to know about you wife, what should people keep in mind most about Missy? Especially as police are relying on tips, what should people know?

“I would have to say that Missy is unlike most people, is unlike any other spouse, wife, friend, mother. Um, uh, you know, when you lose a loved one, ah you know. Ah, .... you know, all of those things fall into place, you know. I don’t know how to properly answer that question, but ah, you know. All of you people here, you have kids, you’re married, I mean, you know. I know you’re here for a story, but ah, you know.”

Anonymous said...

I don't think DB is legally or criminally guilty. I think he is morally guilty, or "in-the-eyes-of-God" guilty. I think he was genuinely surprised and delighted by what happened.

Nic said...

DB referenced "pre-laid terms of contract", so if it was a hit, I'm thinking the terms were outlined *and* payment was pre-paid, as IMO, the contract was about making it look like "they" killed Amanda.

Does anyone else find it odd, that they had to call for #'s to access Amanda's card at the ATM? Who gave them her PIN? Was that their "reward". Whomever it was who raped the other victim was reproached and told (according to a "cooperating" individual referenced in the Affidavit,) they weren't there for "that". So they were directed to houses to rob, not rape (or murder). I wonder if their "cut" was whatever they could syphon from Amanda's account, the big money changing hands higher up in the echelon.

If the contract was pre-paid, by someone else and/or at a higher level, it would be pretty difficult to prove if no money flowed through any of the Blackburn's account/s.

Speaking from a business perspective (as planting and growing a church is all business), investors don't like losing money/their investment entirely. If Amanda were to leave DB, DB would lose the church and his credibility as a pastor, which is neither here nor there to anyone but DB... and the one/s who stand to lose their investment.

jmo

Anonymous said...

DB did seem "genuinely surprised" which means not guilty of personally committing the crime. It means he didn't know exactly when or if it would happen, but he might have had reason to think it might happen.

Nic said...

It would be interesting to finally be able to hear his 911 call. Interesting they don't release it. There are other 911 calls related to homicides the public can hear. Why not that one?

Amy Smith said...

If he was "genuinely surprised" then the gun message two days before her murder would be a huge coincidence. "No one is that lucky" as Peter has stated previously.

Anonymous said...

Here's what DB was exuding after murder: Surprise, joy, awe, and wonder.

Anonymous said...

Nic, the fact the 911 call hasn't yet been released gives me a little hope they are actually still working on this case.

Anonymous said...

Amy Smith, I have never seen so many coincidences in a murder. Whenever someone wins the Powerball it is against ALL odds. It's not impossible that he gave the gun sermon (and all the countless other coincidences) and yet wasn't involved in the murder.

A ridiculously huge pile of coincidences doesn't prove guilt.

Amy Smith said...

But it sure does raise a lot of questions that investigators should ask and look into and not clear the most suspicious person in the first few days. Perhaps that's why the 911 call hasn't been realeasd: active investigation.

When is the trial date? Davey would be called o testify correct?

Bradbury said...

Davey will surely be the defense team's star witness. He's created enough reasonable doubt I fear the prosecutor may offer a plea deal to "spare" the pain of a trial and keep him from being questioned by the defense.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Here's what DB was exuding after murder: Surprise, joy, awe, and wonder.

May 3, 2016 at 6:01 PM

I would add: Guilt. There was guilt in that mixture of surprise, joy, awe, and wonder.

HIGP said...

Davey is intelligent in terms of being able to effectively confuse and blameshift. His whole "man of God" routine is so transparent it's pukeworthy. Unfortunately in other cases studied here, analysts have not been so perceptive and have swallowed this routine hook, line and sinker.

Anonymous said...

Or maybe not "guilt", but "guilty knowledge" along with obvious deception, in all the big pot of surprise, joy, awe, and wonder.

Davey's911callprobablywontcontainusefulinfo said...

I think you people should not be filled with hope that police are busy cracking this case due to their not releasing the 911 call. Look at DiPietro's 911 call that was kept "top secret" for almost a year. The call was bland and unhelpful in terms of analysis and it certainly did not mean police were solving the case.

Anonymous said...

anon @ 5:11 pm

Do you have a link to that interview with Brandon Bever?

New England Water Blog said...

Was this another self inflicted attack?

"Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!" in Los Angeles, just days after I returned home from London just down the road from my house."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/artist-painted-donald-trump-nude-assaulted-stranger-article-1.2623129

Anonymous said...

OT

Brandon Bever interview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBJ17dtx48

Reporter: “She meant a lot of things to a lot of people, but what did she mean to you as her husband?”

“Well, she was a, she was a companion, we enjoyed fishing, we def. – we, we enjoyed going to the beach, we spent a lot of time at the ocean. Um, we, we’ve been together for 20 years and ah, over the 20 years, you know, our relationship evolved form this to that to this to that, and we’ve managed to keep it, you know, held together all this time. But at this particular venture in our lives, it opened up an opportunity for her to do something that was gratifying to herself rather than raising a family constantly – driving kids around, and ah, and she’s just, like I said, the Camp Gladiator opportunity came up, and ah... ...”

This quote is at 8:46-




“I would have to say that Missy is unlike most people, is unlike any other spouse, wife, friend, mother. Um, uh, you know, when you lose a loved one, ah you know. Ah, .... you know, all of those things fall into place, you know. I don’t know how to properly answer that question, but ah, you know. All of you people here, you have kids, you’re married, I mean, you know. I know you’re here for a story, but ah, you know.”

this quote is at 22:44

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...

I don't think DB is legally or criminally guilty. I think he is morally guilty, or "in-the-eyes-of-God" guilty. I think he was genuinely surprised and delighted by what happened."

Agreed.

And it's that "delight" that makes him look, act and speak like a guilty party.

C5H11ONO said...

I couldn't help but wonder if these were embedded confessions?

“my dad killed JFK, he is secretly Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa is buried in his backyard.”

http://nypost.com/2016/05/03/donald-trump-links-ted-cruzs-dad-to-jfk-assasination/

Hey Jude said...

I didn't pick up on surprise, awe or wonder - I found him to be excited and pleased, especially that he could make Amanda's death to be God's idea rather than that of any man.

He's still finding new ways to put Amanda down - now she's abandoning, rejecting and betraying him in his dreams. She probably did want to divorce him, and he can't resist or prevent himself from expressing his feelings about that - to be publicly rejected was not on Davey's list of allowable things to happen. He's putting his dream of her treachery out there for consideration; suggested effect - 'Can you believe it? -that 'gift' and 'sacrifice' was maybe not so wonderful, after all, she might even have wanted to divorce the more wonderful Davey' - I think he's saying it, without quite admitting it - he wants to lower people's estimation of Amanda, so more attention will be upon him - even thinking of divorce equals failure to Davey and Amanda's mindset, and he is putting the failure upon her, as it was she who was thinking it in his dream, not he who was wanting to be free of her. He's tired of praising, and hearing Amanda's praises, enough of Amanda - it should be Davey's Story by now. Perhaps the divorce dream will become a revelation from God, over time - maybe he didn't have the courage to make it a revelation just then, as God in the shower hasn't turned out too well for him, SA-wise.

His attitude towards Amanda in her death has been one of rejection (lack of grief, moving on), betrayal (immediate 'forgiveness' of the murderer/s, no seeming interest in justice being served, publishing of her journal) - abandonment (unlocked front door: where's her dog - and, just out of interest, what happened to all her stuff when they moved?) - most blatant - announcing her death while she was still on a ventilator - not to mention denial of Weston's need for his mother, and his claim that he does not miss her or even notice that she has gone. All he accused her of in his sympathy seeking dreams, Davey has done, even post-humously to Amanda. I think not only did he not love Amanda, he also must have despised her.

Davey's guff about deciding to forgive each morning - he got it from Amanda's father - for whom I can believe it is true, and a daily challenge.

Amanda went on forgiving Davey for too long - all her gifts and goodness, he disdained. 'Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding' (Prov 3:5) - or trust your God-given instincts, and save your own skin. Conundrum. :-/ I think that, sadly, was likely to have been a genuine and growing conundrum for Amanda in the last weeks of her life - she waited too long, not believing the worst, and now she is dead. An unlocked door, a raping, murdering trio hanging out next door, fifty minutes on the driveway, and Davey thinking something must have gone wrong with the pregnancy. He called 911 as soon as he could. Forgot to mention if he had even a thought towards Weston. Who could have asked for, or expected, any more?

'Don't go thinking, "He's incredible"'- 'Dont go thinking, "He's amazing". '

I'm glad I don't live on Planet Davey - it's spinning so fast, What is incredible is that so many are buying into and further promoting his spin. At the least, he should be quietly grieving somewhere, devastated that his lack of care for his family turned out as it did.

Anonymous said...

Could it be that the quick forgiveness to the alleged murderers is really an expression of a guilty conscience?, having framed them for murder.

Nic said...

New England Water Blog quoted:

"Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!" in Los Angeles, just days after I returned home from London just down the road from my house."


Reading this quote made me think back to Peter saying location is important.

As per her FB post:

Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!" in Los Angeles, justdays after I returned home from London just down the road from my house. Though I encourage passion, opinion and emotion, especially though art, I think violence is disgusting. To live in a place where Facebook has given my address to an anonymous third party makes me feel like I am homeless again. This type of violence makes creatives feel like we live in a world where our individual creative input isn't safe. I am sad that this is the state of our America right now. I am sad that Trump, and many of his supporters, don't find words enough to express their opinions - they need walls, waterboarding and punches. @realdonaldtrump Please stop glamorizing and perpetuating violence. Make America Decent Again! #makeamericadecentagain No, they have not been caught, and the men drove off laughing. A detailed police report has been filed.

Lots of extra wording after Los Angeles.

The accusation can stand by itself before 2016. Everything after that is extra wording, especially so because of "just" (comparing,) repeated twice. In just one sentence she has referred to three locations: LA, London, and her down the road from her house

There is a lot of distance and comparison in her post. She starts with today in LA, but references days earlier in London.

location, location, location....

we/our

anonymous third party
redundant (anonymous is a third party)

glamorizing
(lipstick/make up)

"a man" becomes" the men drove off"

She said, her painting " also earned her death threats, stalkers and warnings of a lawsuit from Trump’s legal team."

Yet, the only police report she has filed is for the "punch in the face", but not for the death threats?

I'm thinking a lot of things, but the bottom line is, I can't say for certain if the punch was self-inflicted, however, I don't believe "a man" got out of his car "today", in LA and punched her in the face. I'd be more inclined to believe the assault happened "days" earlier in London.

jmo

Nic said...

I forgot to include in m y analysis:

Facebook has given my address

She reports the assault happened down the street from her house, so technically not at her house.

HIGP said...

Hey Jude wrote

"now she's abandoning, rejecting and betraying him in his dreams".

Maybe this fruitloop Davey does have some kind of conscience creeping up on him in his dreams (unconscious) manifesting in the form of Amanda's rejecting him in his dreams.

He is intelligent, clever, seems sociopathic, also seems to not be playing with a full deck...maybe mostly narcissistic with some type of conscience creeping up on him in his dreams. Hmmmmmm......

Anonymous said...

Wow, Hey Jude. Spot on. You're right about CD wanting to continue to denigrate Amanda, posthumously. How incredibly manipulative to blame Amanda for shock/horror wanting to DIVORCE him in his dreams. It's positively Machiavellian. If HE had had a dream where HE wanted to divorce Amanda, there is no way he would have shared it because....it would make him look bad.

I very much doubt he had any such dream which woke him at 3:00am (yeah right)but if he did, I wonder what reasons poor Amanda gave him for wanting to divorce him.

Bloody Davey. Next we'll be hearing about how promiscuous she is in his dreams, or maybe he'll dream about her mistreating Weston, or maybe have a dream about her setting fire to some puppies.

HIGP said...

Nic wrote

"Does anyone else find it odd, that they had to call for #'s to access Amanda's card at the ATM? Who gave them her PIN?"

Yes, I find that very odd, however I have wondered how they were planning to get money out of the ATM without the PIN #. I figured Davey gave it to them when he gave them the card as payment for the gun. Seems they must have been in a hurry and needed to call to get the number. And the police can't figure this case out? Pathetic. Whoever they called got the PIN number from Davey.

flightfulbird said...

Hey Jude, what a truly, truly excellent post on May 3rd at 9:50pm.

Anonymous said...

Payment for a gun? Where did that come from?

Concerned said...

Hey Jude at 9:50
Another well thought out post.
Thank you!

About Amanda's stuff:
There was a big sale at Amber's house...lots of women's clothes, household goods, etc.
I wondered if Davey had her sell Amanda's things there. I'm just guessing.
That would have been painful for her.

Has anyone seen anything online about Davey's new "communal" house?
Did he ever close on the old one?

Fm25 said...

911 call - the big argument on prior threads was over what he told operator since didn't seem police dispatched until Ems arrived. He answered that question in interview- no doubt knowing it would come out soon. He only reported injury, not robbery/assault/etc. still I'm sure the call would be valuable to Peter for analysis.
-
Davey and Amanda seem so different in how they approach religion. It's seen clearly in the q & a sermons. Amanda answers from the heart, davey references bible verses. He seems completely dependent on them. It's interesting to see in interview hes uncomfortable talking about Amanda's murder, stumbles all over the place, then just defaults back to biblical passages, gains confidence, effectively changes subject.

lynda said...

I posted this a couple days ago in the other thread. I copied and brought it over here since there seems to be a discussion regarding the ATM.

When you're dealing with gangbangers and hoodrats, they're not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. The 3 are in jail will never rat out AB. The fact that AB is out of jail leads me to believe he is also the CI. He is named in the warrant but the CI is not. I think AB is both which is why he is not in jail. I mean, do people not understand from the warrant that AB had prior knowledge of a murder, HID things from the crime at his house, admit that he told them to go back and pick him up after the murder, that JW left his house to go on this crime spree and never reported it?HE spoke to them DURING THE MURDER. That's a crime. AB is knee deep in this and continues to flaunt on his FB that he is dealing. Coincidentally, AB was also NOT arrested in the big Northside sweep of 20 some people. I would bet money he is also the CI or it is Donae. Either one.
I would also like to know why no one is talking about how they got the money from the ATM in the first place? They had to get the PIN numbers from Amanda. She probably didn't have them taped to the card. So was she held alive until all money was received? The CI said that when the others were at the bank, calls were made and he said he would kill her if they didn't come back. That puts the "shots heard" at a later time then stated. I think Amanda was shot in the head shortly before Davey pulled up, not 45 minutes before he came home. Davey and the gang almost crossed paths for Gods sake. Exactly when and how did they get the PIN numbers?? From Amanda OR DAVEY?

Lis said...

Another person who "forgave" instantly was the father of Jenise Wright.
It's strange how forgiveness can be a godly thing, yet when it comes too fast and too easily, it is the complete opposite.

Anonymous said...

There have been many cases of spouse murderers who have not been caught, have not even been viewed with suspicion, until it happens again.

Anonymous said...

He has guilty knowledge and his conscience causes him great internal stress. But his experience as a speaker helps hide it. When he talks about the morning of November 10, he grasps his hands together and gulps hard...uncharacteristic for him when he is normally speaking. He also (VERY uncharacteristically) self-hugs during recent sermons when talking about meeting with a counselor. He also self-hugged during the interview with Pastor Byars. These high-stress soothing motions are not at all normal for him.

TooManyWaWa's said...

OFF TOPIC

Missy Bevers murder:

My blood ran cold when I watched a link someone posted yesterday of Missy Bevers father-in-law walking out of a door for an interview with the press.... His build, but most importantly, HIS GAIT...
I can no longer find the clip, only one which shows him walking back indoors, which I will try to link (I'm hopeless with techy stuff :(( )
His language concerned me too, as he was trying to explain the bloodstained shirts.... opens his statement with alibi building and then way too much detail about the dog that was killed, stalling before he gets to the main issue that he's supposed to be addressing...
I think in the US, you say someone raises your 'hinky meter'?.... I'm in the UK, but he certainly raises mine!

TooManyWaWa's said...

OFF TOPIC

Missy Bevers murder:

This was the link I found which shows the father-in-law... There is another better one, but as I said before, I can't find it now..

http://youtu.be/KfZVmvI5fFQ

John mcgowan said...

Anonymous TooManyWaWa's said

"My blood ran cold when I watched a link someone posted yesterday of Missy Bevers father-in-law walking out of a door for an interview with the press.... His build, but most importantly, HIS GAIT..."

Hi

here is the clip of the suspect in the police uniform. There "gaits" do look very similar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ30KUXAh_c

TooManyWaWa's said...

Thank you for the clip John McGowan :-)..... His build/height/gait look way too similar to the surveillance video :-((

Hey Jude said...

Thanks for the responses to my comment.

Anonymous said...

OT

Missy Bever's case

This clip shows the father-in-law's distinctive gait.

I can't help wondering why he is smiling his head off, even laughs, as if her murder had never happened.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfZVmvI5fFQ&feature=youtu.be

Bingo3 said...

Hey Jude at 9:50, spot on and my thoughts exactly!! No reason to write out what I was thinking because you nailed it!

Amy Smith said...

Davey's new post. OMG.

Hey Jude said...

Thanks, Bingo.

New England and Nic - It seems the agenda is more important than the assault to her, and she does not say that she filed a detailed police report - only that a detailed police report has been filed, so maybe she did not want to do that, or was pressured into doing so, or maybe someone else reported it on her behalf - I don't know, except that's passive, she's not owning to having reported any crime herself. Maybe she didn't go to the police, rather sent an email.

I think it's self inflicted or she didn't want to 'waste' having walked into a door. It probably happened earlier than 'today' - why is she talking about London? I think drawing further attention to her picture of Donald Trump, which is or was on exhibition in London. My comments have been influenced by those made by others on her Facebook - I already did not believe the story - it's too convenient to her cause.

Hey Jude said...

Amy - wow! I am almost speechless - for all his trying he still did not manage to say that he loved or loves Amanda. He gives the impression, he still does not say it. There is so much in that post - I don't have time to look at it more now. He's beyond.

lynda said...

Davey says,

" I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

Embedded confession perhaps?

lynda said...

Re: Missy Bevers case

Um, yeah. The distinctive gait for me comes from the 'duck walk" particularly of the right foot turning outward. FIL seems to have a bit of that and I did see interview where they think attacker was 6' tall. Check that also. FIL stated he was wearing a womans XXL shirt? Why? Does he normally buy womens clothing?

The statement I noticed most in the long interview with the husband was, "Particularly in the last 10 months, she has been making a real effort to text or call me during the day to tell me she loved me."

So what happened 10 months ago? Is it why she was murdered? An affair? If a wife was trying to put back a marriage that she had cheated on, I can see that. Calling during the day, reaffirming your love, trying to reassure the spouse that you love THEM. Yes, I would really like to know what happened 10 months ago. Very specific time period.

Amy Smith said...

From DB post today:
You see, understanding the idea of stewardship changes how you approach things. When you are managing someone else’s property you take it more seriously. If you are an investment manager and you know the owner of the money is going to call you to account, you take it more seriously. If you’re doing a project for your boss, and you know you’re going to be called on to present that piece, you work a little harder. Amanda didn’t belong to me. She never did. God was the owner, I was the steward.

...

It was in that moment I felt a peace I hadn’t felt up to that point. I had been wrestling with one question, Why didn’t God protect Amanda that morning in November? Couldn’t he have sent a legion of angels to keep this harm from happening to her? Couldn’t he have orchestrated events differently that morning so none of this would have happened?

I still don’t have all the answers to those questions and probably won’t until I see Jesus face-to-face. But The Lord placed a peace in my heart with this one truth: He loved her first.




Amy Smith said...

more from DB post:

I remember the weight of these words hitting me like a tsunami. I felt the Lord speak to my heart and remind me Amanda wasn’t mine. That she had been stewarded to me by our Heavenly Father for a season, and when that season is done it would be my responsibility to present my Bride to the Father. I felt The Lord’s voice whisper to my heart:

Remember, son, I loved her first.

...

He thought her up. He thought US up. He knew the number of hairs on her head. He knew her most intimate thoughts. He numbered her days. He brought her to me. He stewarded her to me for a season. He loves her more than I ever could. He DID protect her in ways I never would have been able to. He wrapped his arms around her in the face of danger and held her as she stepped into eternity. And though I didn’t even realize it in that moment, I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless. If I truly love her I can completely trust her to Jesus’ perfect love. His love is infinitely better than mine.

Remember, son, I loved her first.

mom2many said...

Why can't he say he loved her? He separates 'love ... her' twice - 'love and lead' and 'loved and cherished.' At the end, 'if I truly loved her.' Why was he struggling so hard to love her that he had to repeatedly ask her father? Also, is not capitalizing 'dad' when used as a proper noun a subtle dig, or just a grammatical error?

Amy Smith said...

Why doesn't he ask himself why he left the front door unlocked and why he sat in the driveway for 50 minutes while she was dying? Why he couldn't have found her and called 911 sooner? No? He doesn't have those questions? Those questions don't bother him because he believes God orchestrated this plan.

Why did he need to help Jesus present her to God? Did he present her to God as a sacrifice to propel worldwide revival through Davey? In what moment did Davey help Jesus present her to God? The moment she was shot?

mom2many said...

Does the tsunami reference also count as water in a statement? I know water is tied to sexual assault, but I can't help but envision Lady Macbeth and Pilate washing away guilt.

lynda said...

I think this latest blog is Davey washing his hands of any guilt, much like Pilate. He has rationalized that God had her days numbered, it was meant to happen, his hands were tied, is it HIS fault that a spoken word, or a phone call, or a plan, was set into motion? NO. Davey in this blog has completely cleansed himself of any involvement or guilt. He was "just" a steward. He likens her to a piece of property that earns money. If that ain't Davey in a nutshell! I'll say it again,

Davey says,

" I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

Embedded confession perhaps?

D said...

Glad Amanda is back in the news... Seriously why is Davey picture the only one in this article... http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-davey-blackburn-amanda-blackburn-perry-noble-newspring-church-miscarriage-162933/

elf said...

The order is mixed up. He says today, which points to his awareness of time, the a man punches the victim in the face, got out of his car, and yelled trump 2016. And he makes it sound like London is just down the road from his house. It seems hinky to me.

Anonymous said...

Another insane justification written in flowery bible-pseudo holy Pastor writing. Exorcist green vomit inducing.

Bad Juju said...

O/T ...


This explains why the guy who called 911 about Prince's death didn't know the address and said "the people are just distraught." He was an opioid addiction specialist there for the first time to try to help Prince with his painkiller addiction. Very sad:

http://www.startribune.com/addiction-doctor-was-to-have-seen-prince-just-before-his-death/378051471/

Andrew Kornfeld was expected to meet with Prince early Thursday after taking a red-eye flight from San Francisco the night Prince's representatives called, Mauzy said.

When Andrew Kornfeld arrived at Paisley Park at 9:30 a.m. Thursday, Prince's representatives could not find him, Mauzy said. Andrew Kornfeld was one of three people at Paisley Park when the musician's body was found in an elevator a few minutes later -- and it was Andrew Kornfeld who called 911.

Mauzy said that Andrew Kornfeld told him that the others "screamed" when they found Prince and "were in too much shock" to call 911.

Unfamiliar with Paisley Park, Andrew Kornfeld simply told the dispatcher, "We're at Prince's house."

Asked again to give an address, he said simply: "The people are just distraught. ... We're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and we are at the home of Prince."


Emergency responders arrived within five minutes. Prince was pronounced dead at 10:07 a.m., 19 minutes after responders arrived.


There's more at the link.

lynda said...

OT

Missy Bevers, I watched the extended tape and the FIL has a pretty big beer gut. There is one part of the tape that the subject is turned sideways and it appears there is no gut, but other POV it seems that there is one. I'm sure the police know which one it is. WHY would you take a womans blouse, covered in blood, to the dry cleaners? Was it made out of gold? Was there sentimental value to it? Was it silk? It sounds like it is completely ruined , why not just throw it away? Could it have Missy's blood on it and then they covered that with dog blood? It never ceases to amaze me the amount of killers that keep evidence. Clothes, tools, weapons, etc. Why don't they throw it away?? Stupid.
Autopsy states she died of multiple "puncture" wounds of head,neck. This was personal. Puncture is an ice pick type implement, not a crow bar or hammer.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, Linda, this was personal and the killer was lying in wait and acted as cool as a cucumber if you ask me.
Same way the husband and father-in-law are acting about her death, upstaged by a story about a dog.

RIP Missy.


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Missy-Bevers-Died-From-Multiple-Puncture-Wounds-to-Head-and-Chest-Police-378026341.html


Anonymous said...

Missy's husband and fil did not like her new strength. Sick creeps. Dad kills son's wife...wtf kind of medieval world is theirs?

Peter Hyatt said...

I hope to show how this 'flowery' and 'pseudo biblical' language that he uses is as a direct result of habitual lying.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, should be "lynda".



Does Missy Bever's husband ever say he loved her?

Describing his girls as being in "high spirits" just seems bizarre.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBJ17dtx48


lynda said...

Anon, Oh yeah. He was just strolling around that church waiting for her to show up absently vandalizing. Who goes to rob a joint with a costume on like that? It's a pretty elaborate disguise so you know it has to be someone known to her.

Again, oh so convenient, the husband is "out of town", at the gym, etc.

lynda said...

Anon @ 12:30

In the long interview where he's talking about 10 months ago, he did say that she loved HIM, and then said "as i loved her" or something like that. I know it was in the past tense. He never expresses directly "I love her" or the devastation he's feeling from loosing his wife.

Peter, Can't wait to read!

Bad Juju said...

Missy Bevers' husband seems to resent her dedication to Camp Gladiators ... I don't have the exact quote because it's been a couple of days since I watched the extended interview, but he seems to imply she wasn't as dedicated to being a mother anymore as she was before getting into fitness.

Peter Hyatt said...

OT:

I am curious if any readers have read "Sharia for Non Muslims."

Here it is in PDF format. As I work through how ideology impacts culture, which impacts behavior, which is mirrored in language.

https://www.politicalislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PDF-Look-Inside/Sharia_Non-Muslim_look_inside.pdf

I believe a number of issues will be said to be "unknown" to many readers here.

Fm25 said...

Sounds like amandas dad has some questions for davey--- idavey shifting to why didn't God protect her, God "orchestrated" that morning, why didn't Gpd lock the door? Give me a break...

John mcgowan said...

Nics "Trump" OT post...

~~~holds back, and covers mouth. Innuendo not allowed~~.

I digress.

Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!"

Hi, Nic

On form alone, the above "looks" reliable, ("I" taking ownership. "was" past tense, "punched" action and past tense employed) and may well be true, on form alone.

One question:

This may read silly, in what i'm about to say, (given the word "today" is introduced) was the statement released on the same day as the alleged event.?

John mcgowan said...

Just for fun. An SA nightmare. :)

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

Nic said...

quoting myself:
anonymous third party
redundant (anonymous is a third party)


I made a mistake here.

She is concealing the identity of who hit her. A third party is someone else other than the primary two people involved. "Anonymous" weakens who the third party is. The first person (between her and the third party) is known. Because there was violence involved (black eye) I would say she was in dispute with someone at the time she was punched in the face.

Lisa Banks said...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2016/05/04/all_your_questions_about_pronoun_deletion_and_the_inexorable_death_of_the.html

Re: Dropped Pronouns

Anonymous said...

I would love to know from surveillance cameras if DB actually carried the bag of gym clothes into the gym with him - if he was wearing the same clothes when he left - and if he carried the bag back out with him.

I've always suspected he shot her before leaving for the gym and made sure he was seen on a camera to build his alibi.

Read the bible, shot Amanda, put the dog up, took a shower, took his clothes for a workout - dumped the clothes and returned home.

rjb said...

Anon @ 1:35

How is the article about Sharia "utter bunk" when it quotes the Koran and other sacred texts of Islam as support for every claim it makes?

John mcgowan said...

Lisa Banks

Hi

I love the title of the article.

"Why Do We Delete the Initial Pronoun From Our Sentences? Glad You Asked."

ima.grandma said...

I'm not up on this case. I flipped through some of Peter's earlier articles and found this: I remember reading the story the below references back in January. I tried to skim through to see if anyone discussed the original Davey post but with almost 600 comments, I might have overlooked it. I'll post it. If it's a repeat discussion, let me know and it can easily be deleted. 

https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/kenneth-wagnor-statement-analysis.html
Snip:
"We were roommates together and so during that time a lot of interesting things happened. I know a lot about their relationship that most people don't. I've been around since the days when Amanda gave Davey up for Lent," he said to laughter.

"I don't know if you guys have heard that story but that's a good one," he quipped. "We were riding in the car one day and we were talking about Amanda and we were like, you know Mark, his cousin, was like, 'Davey, you always wanted a girl who loved Jesus more than she loved you.' And that was what he had in Amanda. But me and Gavin looked at each other and we were like, 'that is the most irrational decision she could have ever made.' We were mad for him, Gavin, right?" he quipped again.

ima.grandma said...

March 3, 2006
https://daveyblackburn.com/2006/03/03/lent-hurts/

I don’t have a whole lot to say tonight cuz, frankly, I’m pretty tired and I’m still trying to get over this flu that’s been going around. B.T.W. (By The Way) if you haven’t read Kenneth’s blog for yesterday, check it out. It’s awesome! There is a link on my sidebar that you can follow (There & Back).

My thoughts were pretty crummy today until God smacked me in the face. Normally I wouldn’t tell you guys about this but to be honest, I want my life to be transparent for everyone to see. I want you to see my weaknesses and how God uses those to strengthen me. Last night, my girlfriend told me that she was giving me up for Lent. My first reaction was something like, “What!? That’s crazy! Why would you give up something that’s going so well? Doesn’t God want us to be relationships that challenge us to seek Him, and are fruitful? Doesn’t He want us to be happy, especially if we are impacting each other so well spiritually. He doesn’t want us burying out talents, right?”

My girlfriend lives 12 hours away from me. WOW! Just thinking about that seems like forever away. Neither one of us are very good “phone” people but we’ve done so well, and the phone has really been the major vehicle for our relationship. Good, long, fruitful, fulfilling, and challenging conversations on the phone are all that we have had to grow on these past five months. So when she told me that she had to give up talking to me for Lent because that is what she felt God wanted her to do, my mind was racing with a ton of PRACTICAL objections. (b.t.w. God doesn’t work practically) I mean we were talking about the extent of our relationship—PHONE CONVERSATIONS. Take our phone conversations away and you have no relationship, right?

ima.grandma said...

Part 2

Again I tell you guys this because I want you to see how wrong I have been in approaching this scenario. If she knew I was posting this on my blog for everyone to see she would probably not be very happy. Good thing she is computer illiterate. HeHe. My initial response to her, though, was shock and dismay. Why would she want to give me up for Lent? She proceeded to inform me that I was the only thing in her life that she would really notice and suffer over if I was gone because she cares about me so much. “That’s flattering, so why are you giving me up?” And as flattering as that is, selfishly (my human nature kicked in) I didn’t want to give her up for forty days. That’s a long time! Initially, my thought was that she was just over-spiritualizing things and that she just wanted to find something that she could suffer for to show Jesus that she is willing to suffer for Him.

THAT’S WHEN GOD SMACKED ME IN THE FACE!! I could not have been more wrong. And I want to apologize to her before everyone. Because while inside I was accusing her of having wrong motives, I was having the worst motives of all! I’m so blessed to have a girlfriend that would follow God’s direction before her own agenda. I’m so blessed to say that my girlfriend loves Jesus with her whole heart and she’s not going to let anything stop her from being obedient to Him. I’m so blessed that she is only reliant on God and not our relationship!

“Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.” -Proverbs 31:30

And while I’m affected by this decision, it shouldn’t matter! The Matt Redman song keeps popping in my head. “You give and take away. You give and take away. My heart will CHOOSE to say. Lord, blessed be Your name!” God blessed me with this amazing girl in the first place. Who am I to say that He can’t have her back any time He wants her. Amanda, if you’re reading this, I commend you and fully support you in your decision. And while these next forty days are going to be difficult, I know that God is going to reveal Himself in extraordinary ways—ways that He would never have been able to had we been wrapped up in each other during this time. Thank you, Amanda, for being sensitive to the Holy Spirit and for being bold in approaching me about it. “Stay off the paved road!”

Nic said...

To Many WaWa's,

here is a link to a YouTube video that plays two clips over and over again. The narrator provides some insight to what happened, I haven't listened to the video in its entirety. However, IMO, looking at the father-in-law and then seeing the video of the assailant, I the father-in-law is too "portly".

What I did watch, I found interesting. The narrator speculates that maybe the reason why they are wearing the gear they are is because they are aware of Missy's fitness level/strength. They also speculate that maybe the reason why they are walking they way they are is because the shoes are the wrong size. (He also speculates the assailant is a woman.) I can't watch it all right now, but thought the link was worth sharing if not for what the narrator thinks, then for the amount of times he loops the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RILeC0yKj4

ima.grandma said...

comment section
AMANDA
March 5, 2006
thanks babe! You’re right, God doesn’t work practically, and that’s a good thing even though it’s not exactly our preference. Can’t wait to talk to you tomorrow! Hope baseball went great this weekend and that God did some amazing things! Praying for you! Miss you! ♥

Bingo3 said...

From DB:It was in that moment I felt a peace I hadn’t felt up to that point. I had been wrestling with one question, Why didn’t God protect Amanda that morning in November? Couldn’t he have sent a legion of angels to keep this harm from happening to her? Couldn’t he have orchestrated events differently that morning so none of this would have happened?

WHAT in the WORLD?? Now he is blaming God? You know what DB, God gave us common sense. Lock your front door! Don't sit out in your driveway for almost an hour and then call 911 "when you can". But just the logical one alone. If you had locked the front door, Amanda could have time to hear commotion and call 911. You orchestrated this (in my opinion) and it went through, you blame it on evil and now God who didn't stop a well-planned out murder. I think this guy has some severe mental health issues hidden behind false religiosity.

Concerned said...

Bingo3,
....And, Davey, don't connect with murdering, raping thugs and tell them your door's unlocked. That never works out well.
Crazy as a bedbug!

HIGP said...

Anon 2:55,

You are spot on. I initially thought he was sociopathic, but I now believe he does have a conscience. You are absolutely correct that his experience as a speaker helps hide the fact his conscience is troubling him. You noted his body language indicating he is struggling with his conscience...he is also being hounded in his dreams by his conscience, and the dreams will get worse.

lynda said...

orchestrated is an interesting word to use.

HIGP said...

Davey said

"orchestrated events"

Hey Jude said...

Ima Grandma - Amanda was maybe having doubts about the relationship even then - and even then he was dissing her ('computer illiterate') and passing it off as humour. All those dropped pronouns in her response. :-/ She should have followed her instincts.

Anonymous said...

My sister in law's mother was murdered by her second husband's father. That was in 1979. He beat her to death with a hammer. He was never prosecuted because they did not trust her as a witness because she was only 5.

Hey Jude said...

"Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!" in Los Angeles, just days after I returned home from London just down the road from my house."

This is such a strange sentence.

Did a man punch her in the face before he got out of his car?

London is not just down the road from her house.

--

I think she is faking it - whether self-inflicted or not, I don't think any guy hit her in the face and jumped out of his car yelling, 'Trump 2016'. Maybe she is very famous, and attracts hate crime - I wouldn't know her from Adam.

First there was 'a man', then there were 'men', then there was a 'car full of people' - she's written 'car full of people' since the 'man' and 'men'. Is she sure it wasn't a busload?



flightfulbird said...

Yeah Davey said ORCHESTRATED ! - we've used that word from the very beginning - but for Davey - not for GOD ! Oh how much I hope her poor parents aren't actually buying this load of ish. John Williams couldn't have arranged and conducted the events of the morning of November 10th with any more expertise than Davey did. It takes a truly deranged mind to try to sell this to all of us as a master plan of God's. It is twisted even if he was just thinking it to himself without broadcasting it far and wide.

But he is broadcasting it - writing and speaking it - and with every word written and every word spoken, he is digging holes that are impossible to refill. And people are watching and listening and writing about him, about his words and actions - and eventually there is going to be someone who puts the whole picture together and runs with what we are saying and the house of cards is going to crumble.

There is no way in the world after those appearances at NewSpring that anyone can think he wasn't involved. Actually coming out and saying (with a straight face yet) that when he walked in and saw Amanda, his first thought was that something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy - and then saying he had NO IDEA someone had been in his house - those two things alone paint a picture of a guy who is trying to hide things, even if you couldn't hear his stuttering and see him looking around as he was saying the words.

I believe that IMPD that morning, when they walked in, knew immediately that this was no miscarriage and that someone had been in the house - that they had walked into an obvious crime scene - and that they were wondering why only Engine 12 was rolled and why they hadn't been dispatched immediately as well. And I believe that the 911 call showed omissions of facts that, if included, would've indicated that IMPD should be dispatched - and that the reason facts were left out is because Davey wanted IMPD not to arrive until "Amanda Blackburn was being carted from the house" (from affidavit for probable cause).

Davey is going to have a story, just not the one he is trying SO desperately to write and market right now.

flightfulbird said...

Some sentences that stood out to me from his most recent blog post (which was sickening, and so contrived I can't even describe it, what with all of the weeping and tears streaming and gut wrenching emo feelings and talk about having your better half ripped from you so suddenly and tragically). . .


"If I truly love her I can completely trust her to Jesus’ perfect love."

He says IF I truly love her - he doesn't say "because I loved her" or "because I love her" - it's like a guessing game, did he or didn't he. And he keeps saying "her" and not Amanda - he doesn't like to use her name. In many of his social media posts after Amanda died, he kept referring to her as "@amandagrace" instead of Amanda. That sentence would read so differently had he said "Because I loved Amanda so much, I can completely trust her to Jesus' perfect love" - but he cannot say what isn't in his heart. And "trusting her to Jesus' perfect love" just wraps it all up with a bow, again - all's good, Amanda's drinking pina coladas and laying out on the sand in heaven.

"His love is infinitely better than mine."
That is a REALLY really low bar for love. Infinitely better than Davey's love for Amanda isn't all that great of love, actually. Davey loves a great many things and can talk and write extensively about them but Amanda was not high on his list of things/people he loved/loves.

And there is still no mention whatsoever of little unborn Everett "Evie" Grace going into eternity - sniff - Davey was all broken up about it in the WTHR interview ("Amanda knew it was a girl. . . and I knew it was a girl. . . (makes his voice shake and tries so hard to produce tears) . . . because I always wanted a lil boy and I wanted a lil girl") - and now it's as if she never existed.

Anonymous said...

" Couldn’t he have orchestrated events differently that morning so none of this would have happened?"

The question is, Davey, couldn't YOU have ORCHESTRATED EVENTS differently that morning so none of this would have happened ?
And the answer is yes.

Anonymous said...


This is significantly different from CD's shower conversation with God. In that conversation Amanda is like collateral damage. "Your bride has to die for mine to live". And " Psyche! That's why I didn't ask you beforehand"

Now, it's "I loved her first and I wanted her back"

Davey's God is like an immature frat boy with bipolar.

Anonymous said...

Difficult to kiss?

Just when you thought Crazy Davey couldn't make your stomach turn any further....

"There were times when Amanda would laugh and her face would practically morph into her dad’s face! (It made it really difficult to kiss her in those moments – which I’m sure dad secretly relished.)"

Ewww. He is disgusting.

Hey Jude said...

Anonymous @ 7.20 said:

'My sister in law's mother was murdered by her second husband's father. That was in 1979. He beat her to death with a hammer. He was never prosecuted because they did not trust her as a witness because she was only 5.'

In England, this week, a garden is being excavated by police searching for the body of a baby who is susoected to have been murdered many years ago - the child who first spoke of the murder was not taken seriously at the time due to his/her age - but it is being investigated now. The house's occupants were paedophiles, and friends of the serial killers, Fred and Rose West.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3572222/Police-dig-garden-serial-killer-Fred-Rose-West-s-paedophile-friends-jailed-horrific-sex-attacks-TEN-children.html

There was a case in the US if a young child who witnessed, at night from her bedroom window, her father burying her mother's body in the garden - only as an adult did she report what she had seen to the police. Her father was convicted of murder - possibly he had claimed his wife had run off with another man, abandoning her children. The poor kids were raised by him, knowing he killed their mother.
Historical crimes are sometimes solved, and the missing sometimes discovered to have been murdered. Child witnesses are more likely to be taken seriously once they are adults. Maybe it is still not too late for there to be some justice for your sister in law's mother.

rjb said...

In Stephen King's novel Under the Dome, whenever one of the townspeople dies, the main antagonist says some variation of, "She's eating supper at the Lord's table right now: roast beef, fresh peas, blueberry pie for dessert. When I first read DB's comment about Amanda drinking virgin pina coladas on the beach in heaven, it reminded me of this character, and I've taken to imagining any and all words that proceed from the mouth or keyboard of DB as being spoken in the smarmy, querulous whine that Raul Esparza provides the King character with in the audiobook. It's just so perfect.

flightfulbird said...

Yeah he cannot keep it straight, which story he wants to tell. And yeah if he had done things differently that morning, there is a chance that Amanda would still be alive.

If he hadn't gone to the gym, he could've defended his home with his gun (as he flat-out said he would do in one of his "sermons")

If he had locked the front door, the thugs might have walked away and chosen a different target - or Amanda might have heard them breaking in and been able to call 911 and/or escape

If he hadn't lingered on the driveway on the phone for so long, he could've called 911 sooner and gotten help sooner

And if he had called 911 as soon as he walked in instead of "as soon as I could", same thing

But this is assuming that he DIDN'T know anything was going to happen while he was gone. I think he did know - because if he DIDN'T, then I think (actually a great many of us think) that he would be totally guilt-ridden, second guessing everything he had done, saying "if only" I had done this or that - or hadn't done this or that. It would leak out in his speech and words like everything else has. From what I can remember (and I have read everything I can find about this case), he's not thinking along those lines at all - it's all "God's plan" - it was meant to happen - it's crystal clear to Amanda what God is doing through her death. . . although now in this last post he is throwing it back at God and saying couldn't he have orchestrated things differently - switching it around.

My parents and I lost our cat on March 24th and I am STILL thinking (obsessing, almost) about what if we had taken her into the vet to have her chest tapped a few days or a week sooner - would she have bounced back this last time like she always had in the past? We had been watching her so closely, counting breaths per minute to know that when she started breathing faster, it was time to go in for another tap. Why didn't we realize she was in trouble sooner, how could we have let it slip past us, what did we miss? She wasn't in trouble from what we could tell - she looked to be stable - until she wasn't - and the three of us are crushed when we wonder how she was feeling while we were thinking she was ok. The only consolation in this for my parents and for me is that we were able to end our cat's life peacefully, with an injection from the vet, with my Dad scratching her chin the whole time - that she didn't die overnight, hidden underneath their bed or behind the couch, alone in the dark, unable to breathe, struggling.

So it's hard for me to see NO evidence whatsoever of regret, thinking things through, wishing he had done things differently that morning. Just saying he could drive himself crazy thinking about the last 45 minutes of Amanda's life doesn't cut it.

I agree with some previous posters that something might have happened either the night before or else early that morning - that Davey could've knocked out Amanda's tooth and split her lip - which would've been hard to explain to friends and family. . . but if it was a spur of the moment thought to get rid of her, that doesn't take into account all of the telegraphing he had been doing in sermons, watching the Levi Lusko video on the train to, uh, prepare his heart leading up to Amanda's death, having the statement so prepared and ready to send out, virtually declaring her dead while she was still on life support.

I want to hear the 911 call !

Fm25 said...

Amanda did love God more than davey, but I don't think that made him happy. So davey is again likening Amanda to a gift from God, dehumanizing her again. So he put the plans in motion to return her to God "holy and blameless", i.e. Before she divorced him. God knew her thoughts. God could have stopped davey's plans but he didn't. Hey, davey did the right thing here. If davey didn't arrange to have her killed, she most likely would have divorced him and she would have been forever "stained and blemished"

Anonymous said...

"You know, sometimes when you laugh, your face morphs into your dad's face and you are difficult to kiss", said no loving husband, ever.

As for Phil "secretly relishing" Davey's difficulty in kissing Amanda...I have no words.

(Well, I have some but they are mainly expletives.)

Fm25 said...

Daveya been doing a lot of explaining lately. Seems like right after we requested 911 call again he gave us some new info to explain why police not called to scene. He really is very predictable. Wonder how long befor he writes blog about why he left door unlocked. Anyone want to guess what his reasoning will be. Probably something like "Amanda always made sure door was unlocked in case someone needed us. She's wanted to be there for everyone and didn't likethe thought of locking people out." And then a nice back-handed compliment for good measure: "She could be so naive but I loved that about her."

Heisgay said...

Davey said
"You know, sometimes when you laugh, your face morphs into your dad's face and you are difficult to kiss"

My screenname is being changed from HIGP (He Is Gay Probably) back to the original screenname.

rjb said...

Better yet, "Amanda had said that she felt locking the door was showing a lack of faith in God." Throws both God and Amanda under the bus.

flightfulbird said...

Fm25 and rjb, nice - especially the backhanded compliment, goes along with "good thing she's not computer literate". I can totally see it. Fm25, would you remind me of Davey's new info to explain why IMPD didn't get called at first? He is doing a TON of explaining for sure. Perhaps soon we will get an explanation for why he grabbed gym clothes to head out to the gym even though he was going straight to the gym and most people who go to the gym straight from home and want to get straight into training will wear gym clothes TO THE GYM ! . . . especially with his having limited time to train that "normal Tuesday morning" because he had gotten a late start and had an alibi to set upi. . . err . . phone call to "do life with" Kenneth Wagner right after.

Ok, backtracking to the "walking in and immediately thinking something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy" statement - Davey texted Perry Noble (or whoever) on that morning and said that Amanda had a head wound - which he clearly would've seen, gunshot to the back of the head and she was lying face down. Some have said that maybe the bullet didn't leave a large mark/ hole so it wasn't obvious that it was gunshot at first - but she would've had blood all around her head which is nowhere near her pelvis, not to put too fine of a point on it.

If he immediately thought it was a miscarriage - and that's what he flat-out said more than once at NewSpring and has been quoted in a couple of news sources - then why didn't he text that Amanda had maybe lost the baby instead of saying she had a head wound? Surely he doesn't think that we will believe that he didn't find out that she had a head wound until the doctors at the hospital told him that?

Heisgay said...

Davey said

"walking in and immediately thinking something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy"

I keep pushing this thought away everytime I read the line above, but I am starting to think that his initial assault on her (leading to death) was an attempt to kill only the fetus.

Wasn't she found on the stairs?

Did he try to throw her down the stairs? Kick her in the stomach?

There is way too much leakage indicating he planned this initially as an assault on only the fetus itself.

Heisgay said...

This may help explain how the crime got "botched":

I recently read about a case where a guy hired another guy and they were both wearing masks and they both attacked his pregnant girlfriend brutally intending not to kill her but to kill the unborn baby which they did. However, she was still alive.

Is that what happened here?

I believe it is. Something went wrong. He did not intend to kill her. He only wanted the unborn baby killed.

Heisgay said...

What I mean by "botched" is that he did not succeed in what he was trying to do simply killing the unborn baby while leaving her alive and he injured Amanda terribly, having to then call in reinforcement or purchase gun from thugs with ATM card to kill her off.

This explains the linguistic indicators that he was up all night. He assaulted her earlier in the night, perhaps to the stomach, perhaps threw her down stairs...something happened, brain injury, etc and she didn't wake up.

It was then he had to figure out how to kill her off. He either got the thug to do it or bought the gun from thug and did it himself.

Heisgay said...

What was in his gym bag? A mask? Did he attack her while wearing a mask trying to kill only the unborn baby, something went "horrifically wrong", Amanda was injured terribly, brain injury, etc. and Davey had to find a way to kill her off.

Anonymous said...

Inane theories; irresponsible conjecturing.

t said...

The paragraph that begins "Amanda and her dad had a special relationship"....I hear Davey putting forth his unfortunate relationship with his father. He lied about grades, he didn't perform up to standard in sports - a standard which his father set - he worried about what girls/boys said about him. Remember the incident which forced his family to move because of an event at school.
"How to deal with people". When you "minister", your aren't "dealing" with people. You are teaching and guiding. "Dealing with" has a negative connotation.
"To seek wisdom, whatever the cost". I doubt that Amanda's father taught her to be reckless in the face of wisdom.

Heisgay said...

Anon 12:07 said

"Inane theories; irresponsible conjecturing."

Well, please provide your theories then, Mr. Armchair philosopher. And please put down your thesaurus.


Heisgay said...

Why do you think Davey presented his wife's "death" (yes I know she wasn't quite dead at that point) as something "horrifically wrong with the pregnancy" in terms of calling only for medical help as well as his big "excuse" for why he had "no idea" she had been shot or that there were invaders.

Focus on that leakage.

He is telling us what happened.

He tried to kill off the pregnancy while leaving her alive and being able to somehow present it as a "miscarriage".

Things didn't pan out that way but Davey is telling us what his initial intention was. He is telegraphing it also saying that "he had a feeling something would go wrong with the pregnancy".

He is telling us what happened. Are we listening?

Did he poison her initially? Whatever he did, it is there in his language. We are not listening carefully enough.

t said...

I was referencing his recent blog post.
Thanks Amy Smith.

flightfulbird said...

If I remember correctly, Amber described when Amanda was "breaking the news" about the new pregnancy to Davey. Her choice of words indicates that it was not going to be a favorable encounter or interaction. She didn't say SHARING the news, telling him, anything positive like that. "Breaking the news" implies "giving bad news" - and it is obvious from reading and listening to Davey that when Amanda was pregnant, it negatively impacted his life.

flightfulbird said...

Maybe it was "broke the news" to Davey, but same thing - same feeling, like it was sensitive to tell him, had to find the right words or whatever - not exactly like telling a guy who would be thrilled that they were having another child together.

t said...



This version, from Biblica, is an interesting comparison to what Davey posted. https://www.bible.com/bible/111/eph.5.25-28.niv#!

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,7and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Davey's Post:
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/

The last sentence is omitted. Granted, Biblica and other sources will paraphrase, add additional text, etc; however this was noticeable to me.

Washing/water is referenced yet again.

The "ought to love their wives as their own bodies" demands SA exploration.

t said...

Love Song Week 4
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-4-how-to-win-a-fight/

I am sure this has been posted before, but it is worth a look again. Notably, when he mentions at the beginning of the sermon that his fight with Amanda was "knocked down, dragged" Listen carefully. Starts at 2:23 Not, 'knock down, drag out".

There is much in this sermon that is very disturbing. Given the current state of affairs.

Anonymous said...

Maybe crazy Davey really is crazy. He has told us about auditory hallucinations in the shower with God and now visual hallucinations with Amanda's face morphing into her dad's face,making it difficult to kiss her. I know Peter has said otherwise, but davey seems to be providing evidence of a deeply psychotic mind.

t said...

After watching the Love Song videos, while not being a forensic psychologist or well versed in SA, I would venture to say that Davey Blackburn is a narcissistic sociopath, which was most likely a result of environmental influence in childhood and some predisposition to a personality disorder. Entering into the faith, which was inevitable, given his family's roots, would further impress grandiosity and such other narcissistic traits. These tendencies would make it more probable for him to be able to comfortably orchestrate a murder or to commit one himself. He disparages Amanda on many levels and presents anger, mockingly often, as a speaking point in sermons.

The murder of Amanda is a travesty which unfortunately could not have been avoided as she was not near her family. I venture to say that if they would have remained near her family, all of the red flags, blue in SA, would have been seen, heard and hopefully led to an extrication from the relationship for her and her son and unborn child.

IDP has not done a stellar job, in any sense, in solving this crime. They know that there is more to this crime, but are unable to prove it. Essentially, for the public, it is closed. I am sure that there are many who hope that there is one detective that believes that there is much more to this story ...and SA is telling it. IDP Detective, whoever you may be...pay attention.

t said...

maybe so, anonymous at 2:18. he is certainly sociopathic and narcissistic, psychotic only if he did murder his wife or orchestrated it. the differentiations between psychoses are of substance and have to be further explored in his case. he is rather complicated and quite adept at being perceived as a very likeable and interesting person, in his sphere. I would bet that there are several folks that are questioning his behaviour based on previous sermons...violence, sex, guns, etc.

it is very difficult for a narcissist to contain himself.

Anonymous said...

This may be a stupid question, but if Amanda and someone else were receiving weekly updates on every site CD visited on his computer,
wouldn't the stolen computer continue to generate the weekly report to Amanda's and the other person's computer?

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure what the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy is.

I've heard that sociopaths build castles in the sky whereas psychopaths live in them.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly the day after the funeral, the daughters asked their Grandma (Brandon's mom) "How long until we can be happy again?"

Turner said...

I wonder if maybe the other robberies,home invasions were a setup for Amanda's murder. Maybe the plan didn't include an exact time/day but those would signal Davey who may have been anonymous to the perps.
Maybe this would explain why he was surprised yet full of glee.

Hey Jude said...

Anon at 3.04 - in the CCTV footage of the suspect walking away from the house, he does not appear to be carrying a bag containing laptops and books. Davey has more recently said he grabbed his gym clothes, in a later interview he changed that to 'gym bag', as he left the house - he didn't need to take gym clothes as he was going directly to the gym, and returning home 'to shower'. I think it quite likely Davey disposed of the laptop and books, possibly also the clothing he had been wearing, I don't think we know if it was his own laptop, or if it is Amanda's which is missing, or what the books were - maybe Amanda's real/other journals, or questionable 'literature' belonging to Davey? I doubt the intruders would have any interest in stealing books - they would more likely have looked in the laptop bag and dumped the books out before leaving the house.

Leslie said...

Heisgay,

I must say your theory of Davey having intended to "only" kill, or have killed their unborn baby is intriguing. Although I've been following this case closely, that thought had never entered my mind. However, he really seemed to want to be rid of her, per his words and demeanor in the sermons leading up to her murder, particularly the Love Song series. And, after Amanda's death, Davey appeared so gleeful and relieved- not incredulous, surprised, or angered, imo.

I am still floored by, not only his words, props, clues, foreshadowing and leakage in his videos, blog, and social media, but, particularly by the change in both his demeanor and expressions in the Q&A Love Song Week 6 video. His lips were tight and his hatred for and anger towards Amanda was palatable. He was seething. This video has been referenced many times:

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-6-qa-with-davey-and-amanda/

We know Davey owned at least one gun, as he had posted on social media about it when his grandfather gave it to him for Christmas, target shooting pics, etc.

Oh please said...

The books might have been in a side pocket of the laptop bag, and they didn't notice them. It could have been a couple of small books. There's no indication there was 10 pounds of hard-back books in there.

They liked stealing laptops. They stole them from the rape victim and the other two burglary victims.

It's also "quite likely" the laptop bag was already in the car.




If someone likes to work out in shorts and a tank top, but it's cold outside, it wouldn't be weird for them to dress warmly and take separate clothes for working out.

On one hand, people act like it's suspicious he took his gym clothes with him instead of wearing them, but then people insist that it's suspicious he was on the phone in the driveway in "soaking wet gym clothes." Make up your minds.

Leslie said...

Oh Please Said,

I find it suspicious that Davey wasn't dressed for the gym, having been up since 4-ish a.m., so therefore took his gym bag, AND I find it very odd that he sat in his driveway for 50 minutes in his (presumably) sweaty gym clothes. Sweaty gym clothes or not, why not go inside to finish "doing life" with his pal?

Most people I know, including myself, wear whatever gym clothes they find comfortable when working out. If they're already dressed when leaving home, they throw on a jacket when it's cold outside, or grab a hat or umbrella if it's raining.

Fm25 said...

Flightfulbird, Leslie, heisgay, I had same thoughts about db possibly only wanting her to lose baby. I'll copy below. It's a long one. Compilation of statements he has made about pregnancy.

Fm25 said...

Fm25April 27, 2016 at 7:51 PM
Please bear with me... Lengthy post here. i believe a lot of us feel that if davey did orchestrate Amanda's murder, pregnancy was sort of the tipping point. I was just going through many of his statements regarding pregnancy and thought I'd outline them here chronologically for discussion. I found it quite interesting anyway...
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Love song q & a 10/27/15
Talks about pregnancy with Weston being difficult transition and causing troubles in their marriage. Can't find transcript for direct quote but summarized in earlier threads.
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11/08 -announced pregnancy in sermon, tied in to worry and finances
"I worry about finances. Like how are we gonna pay that bill, and how are we gonna make these ends meet, I mean how are we gonna do this—I worry about that. I bet every single person here worries on some level about that.
I worry about my future.
I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.
I worry, I worry about my kids.
Davey, did you just say kids? Yes I did. Guess what?
Come on! Yeah-he-he!"
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Worship is a weapon 11/08/05
"Maybe instead of worrying so much about your kids, you need to lift it up and surrender it to Jesus" (shoots prop gun at man in hoodie) *** word choice: surrender it to Jesus"
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Ambers post - describing 11/09 visit with Amanda
"We sat on a park bench as we watched our kids play and talked about everything" ...how she broke the news to Davey about their new baby" *** broke news sounds like this was not good news for him ***
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Sermon at FIL,s church 11/29/05
"I had a thought this morning in the shower. And felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said: 'Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I had asked you, Davey, before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride can come alive, what would you have said?
Of course, like anybody else I said 'absolutely not. There is no way.' I'm good with being married and having two little kids, pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I am good with comfort. And the Lord said, 'That's why I didn't ask you the question beforehand.' Because sometimes when you say, I surrender all, you mean I surrender some. So you are put in a situation where you have to surrender all."
*** again talks about surrendering all, this time so church will come alive.***
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Bring me the ephod 01/31/16
"Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone. "
*** who turned back on them when Amanda found out she was pregnant? Did it have financial implications?***
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Overwhelmed week 2/07/16
"We felt, like we were like, like a pregnant church, but we hadn’t given birth to anything, you know what I’m saying? So we were swelling and swelling, but we were like, man we need to do something so we decided to make this really big faith move, and with forty to fifty people move into a 900 seat auditorium which all the experts say “Don’t do.” "
**- rest of sermon discussing numbers, need for donations. Could they not afford new baby? ***
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I'm sure I'm missing some so feel free to add. I am no s/a expert, but I do think this is a surprising amount of references to pregnancy, some in very odd contexts, particularly when you consider davey seems unaffected by loss of unborn child ( at least until recently as he is starting to market story in full force.
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Also, his latest contention that he thought Amanda's injuries were related to losing baby, makes me wonder if perhaps he wasn't trying to orchestrate her murder, perhaps just cause miscarriage. Only speculation of course but would love to hear thoughts.

Fm25 said...

Yes! That's a good one.

Fm25 said...

For new info I just meant telling everyone now that he thought it was a miscarriage. So when we hear 911 call it is now expected that he will not have indicated a need for police assistance.

Bingo3 said...

I am not buying that he didn't intend to kill her or that he accidentally got mad and beat hert hen called gang to come finish it off. I believe that it was orchestrated and weeks or months in the planning.(too many perfect circumstances and a certain gun sermon) What they need to find is a copy of the selfish "Nothing is Wasted" "Our church will go on" "The best is yet to come" statement written way beforehand. It is most likely on the laptop in the one bag that was stolen.

Oh please said...

Leslie said...

I find it suspicious that Davey wasn't dressed for the gym, having been up since 4-ish a.m., so therefore took his gym bag, AND I find it very odd that he sat in his driveway for 50 minutes in his (presumably) sweaty gym clothes. Sweaty gym clothes or not, why not go inside to finish "doing life" with his pal?

Most people I know, including myself, wear whatever gym clothes they find comfortable when working out. If they're already dressed when leaving home, they throw on a jacket when it's cold outside, or grab a hat or umbrella if it's raining.

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My point was that if he took his clothes with him to change, he WASN'T in sweaty clothes in his driveway, right? But people seem to want it both ways.

Some people keep their gym clothes in a bag in the event they need to run errands or whatever before/after they work out. It's not unheard of. Personal anecdotes about "most people you know" don't change that.

Fm25 said...

This makes a lot of sense! He was waiting in car long enough for her to lose more blood and ensure baby did not survive. The hit men would not have been facing murder charges, he could have saved them by grace of God, saved church, everyone wins.

Fm25 said...

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

Fm25 said...

I think the laptop and books were in gym bag. He wouldn't have trusted hitmen to dispose of it.

Fm25 said...

I agree laptop in gym bag. Possible search history too. That's not something he could leave to chance.

Bingo3 said...

Flightful, you are right. It is like his unborn baby never existed. He even tweeted excitingly about his friend Kenneth having a baby. If I lost a child, I would be happy for my friend but wouldn't have the ability to post about it. I would be way to sad.

Fm25 said...

Yes, you're right. It was break the news. I posted some quotes below. Maybe you will see something, I don't have experience in s/a, only bits and pieces I've learned from this site which isn't too effective on its own.

Anonymous said...

What if the police have recovered the laptop, though, like they did with rape victim's laptop?

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Maybe crazy Davey really is crazy. He has told us about auditory hallucinations in the shower with God and now visual hallucinations with Amanda's face morphing into her dad's face,making it difficult to kiss her. I know Peter has said otherwise, but davey seems to be providing evidence of a deeply psychotic mind.
May 5, 2016 at 2:18 AM

Could you please provide a direct and complete quote?

This is not psychosis but it is, if true, telling.

Very.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Re: Sharia Law, any fool could look up stuff in the Old Testament and the Talmud to prove how evil and crazy Christians and Jews are, too. The point is that it's all ahistorical, agenda driven, and disregards about 99% of other relevant factors. If you want more eloquent specifics on this issue, you could follow the links that I already posted, or just forget it. It's not really debatable, imho.
May 4, 2016 at 5:35 PM


The Old Testament did not produce 1400 years of violence. This is because the sections you point to are historical descriptions, not marching orders, nor historically interpreted as such.

This type of ignorance is consistent with tacquia, rather than a non Muslim defending Islam.

For someone to go off and commit murder, he must oppose the Bible.

For the Islamist, it is in obedience to the Koran.

You retail common tacquia.

Peter

Turner said...

The killer walks EXACTLY like the father in law! There's another clip of the father in law walking in a door and it's the same build, same walk. They are making a point that the killers walk is very distinct.....could they not be seeing the similarity?

jo said...

Re: Ideology:

I had a friend who spent several years living in an ashram in India, ostensibly studying yoga under the guidance of a guru. After a couple of years, she came to the conclusion that this was a cult, and she left, returning to America. I remember her stories of the charismatic guru, who met with them individually and advised them. Some of the women reported that he fondled them and had sex with them, and characterized these acts as spiritual. There was also, on the ashram, a site which was regaled as sacred - the place where the guru's wife had "achieved enlightenment", and disappeared years ago.

ima.grandma said...

Peter said...
Could you please provide a direct and complete quote?

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/

I have an incredible relationship with Amanda’s dad. He did our premarital counseling, and he would counsel us through the ups and downs of ministry. I used to ask him how I could love and lead Amanda better, and to this day I love talking to him about ministry, pastoring…and his daughter. He reminds me so much of Amanda. In fact, they are the EXACT same person! There were times when Amanda would laugh and her face would practically morph into her dad’s face! (It made it really difficult to kiss her in those moments – which I’m sure dad secretly relished).

Anonymous said...

Thought I would share from my devotional this morning. It sums up perfectly what I think Davey is trying to say although he is NOT communicating it well at all. I honestly don't think he killed her or had anything to do with it.... he is not interviewing well - I will give the peanut gallery that. His blogs... well they are brutally honest. If something awful happen to your spouse would you be able to be so honest? He is saying what people think after such a shock. I would never want something to happen to my husband... if it did I can't help but know I am in the middle of God's will. I wonder how many of you have a true intimate relationship with Christ. I wonder how many of you have a God centered marriage. I wonder how many of you have actual jobs... You seem to spend massive of time speculating. My life is so full with the peace and joy God gives me... to worry about another is just a waste of time God gives me. Whether Davey is guilty or not I promise you the God I serve is big enough to handle the consequences without my help or my time spent speculating. Quote from devotional... "Nothing is wasted with God. Unforeseen and even unfortunate circumstances are ALL opportunities to share Jesus when your heart is yielded to him (Romans 8:28)" ~First 5 App~ Let the firing squad begin - my name is Molly... you don't have to call me anon.

Nic said...

John Mcgowan said:

Hi, Nic

On form alone, the above "looks" reliable, ("I" taking ownership. "was" past tense, "punched" action and past tense employed) and may well be true, on form alone.

One question:

This may read silly, in what i'm about to say, (given the word "today" is introduced) was the statement released on the same day as the alleged event.?


Hi John! I'm glad you chimed in. Re the statement:

"Today I was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled, "Trump 2016!" in Los Angeles, just days after I returned home from London just down the road from my house."

If she had ended at 2016, I would agree with you that it would be a reliable statement. However, she doesn't stop there. She then goes on to describe three locations and three time frames! (LA, London down the road from her house, 2016, today and "just" days after.) She tries to make the punch sound random, then she implies that she's been stalked and then blames FB for releasing her address. She's all over map.

Peter said earlier that location is important. I jumped through the link and posted the rest of the broadcast and found that it is pretty interesting. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

You dropped a personal pronoun in your first sentence, Molly.

Amy Smith said...

"My life is so full with the peace and joy God gives me... to worry about another is just a waste of time God gives me."

And yet here you are, Molly.

Anonymous said...

Yes Amy Smith... I am here. I do read the news and stumbled across this blog through Googling for more news articles before the arrest were made. I have spent very little time on this blog but I skimmed over it enough to get the point of most commenting. Some people even have great points. My devotional just struck me this morning since the commenters have zeroed in on the Nothing is Wasted tag that came about with this news story.
~Molly~

Amy Smith said...

"I wonder how many of you have a God centered marriage."

Davey had a Davey-centered marriage. As for the "brutally honest" blog posts, he is blaming God now for orchestrating Amanda's murder and asking why God didn't protect her. If he is being brutally honest in his blog posts, then he does not struggle with questioning himself for a series of actions on the day of her murder: leaving the front door unlocked, going to the gym, sitting in the driveway for 50 minutes while she was dying. Not once has he said, "Why her, God? Why Amanda? Why not me?" He still hasn't said he loved her.

Amy Smith said...

The #nothingiswasted tag didn't just come out with the news stories, Molly. Someone at Newspring Church registered that domain for Davey on 11/13/15, 3 days after Amanda's murder. Then Davey himself live tweeted that hashtag during her funeral (where he also sold t-shirts for all profit to himself.)

Amy Smith said...

Nothing is wasted? I am so tired of the pithy cliches. Good heavens.

TWO precious lives were wasted. Brutally wasted. Murdered.

TooManyWaWa's said...

Nic @ 5.07pm yesterday..... Thank you for new video clips of the father-in-law of Terri (Missy) Bevers.....

I still think its only a matter of time before he is arrested , with possibly her husband too... Apart from the the striking similarities in the father-in-laws build and gait, their language is SO unexpected for close relatives of the victim, who you would expect to be extremely shocked and traumatised .... Reminiscent of Davey Blackburn AND the ... Expected versus unexpected ...

TooManyWaWa's said...

Meant to say 'reminiscent of Davey Blackburn AND the McCanns!'. in my post at10.23am

BOSTON LADY said...

Good morning. I haven't commented much on Amanda's brutal murder because I find I'm on the fence and struggling with Davey's statements. One thing is clear to me, he is ramping up to release a book. The last blog with "I loved her first" feels like it's melodramatic, for effect. It's the first time I really see his manipulation of his readers. And they are falling for it. Davey distorts God's word. And he puts himself right in the center, as if he is God. If he was being "brtually" honest, he would be admitting HE failed Amanda. He was her protector here on earth. (according to his interpretation of I loved her first). Her dad protected her and cared for her until she married him. But he doesn't see it that way (or he does and is lying). He sees it now as HE gave her back to God all wrapped up and safe. Amanda didn't die a gentle quiet death. She was taken out of this world in a brutal horrific way and I do not believe it was planned by God.

Anonymous said...

@Amy - The Nothing is Wasted came about with Amanda and something to do with her restoring “throw away” furniture. When NewSpring offered to pay for the funeral, in preparation they bought the domain name, to be able to broadcast to the Greenville Church family/ friends. NewSpring has been broadcasting live to other buildings since 2008. That is no new gig for them… it didn’t come about with the murder of Amanda. Believe it or not; churches buy domain names all the time.
I have no idea what Davey is doing with the proceeds of the things set up to make money for him and Weston. But neither do you. The people I know personally who God has blessed financially are some of the most generous people I know. We may never know if he gives every dime away. It is all God’s anyway. Like that is the part I get about this story. Whether Davey is a devoted, bible toting believer or the spawn of Satan; God is big enough to work around that. In spite of imperfections (human, earthly big mess of screwed people we ALL are) God makes all thing beautiful in His timing. God's timing, not ours!! Don't miss that point.
I would not be surprised if a blog is coming on how he processes what to do when you blame yourself. He is grieving in a public, unusual way. With that being said, I think a blog is coming about blaming yourself. Maybe he just hasn’t got there in grieving yet.
Grief is not something you “get through”, you can’t get by it, you can’t get around it, it doesn’t get better, it just gets different. Everyday grief puts on a different face.
~Molly~

Anonymous said...

Maybe I am miscommunicating the brutally honest part. What I mean is that he is putting to paper (his blog) whatever he is processing. Is he being correct? No, probably flawed. Have any of you ever journaled and wrote down whatever came to mind, rational or not, then came back after the situation settled down and look at the journal and think WTH? The brutal doesn't meaning all encompassing or 100% correct. It is like throw up on a piece of paper. And I think what is happening is people that have gone through tough situations - maybe losing a spouse after a hard fought battle with cancer, doesn't have to be murder - I think he may be connecting because someone can read the throw up and think hey I am normal... I THOUGHT that too. The brutal part is putting all there for the whole world to judge his thoughts. Most of us don't have the guts to do that.

Hey Jude said...

Oh Please -

Davey said he went home 'to shower' - therefore he was in his gym clothes in the driveway - that seems more likely than changing into fresh clothes, without showering, at the gym. If he went home 'to shower', then.he didn't shower at the gym - or change out of his gym clothes.

So what was he wearing when the police arrived? - gym clothes, presumably.

Fm25 said...

Molly, I think davey has been very clear in what he is trying to say. When someone shows you their true self you should believe them. This goes far beyond not interviewing well.
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Do you believe that God would have allowed Amanda and her unborn child to be brutally murdered while her 1 yr old slept upstairs so that Davey's church could grow? Because that is what he is saying. I'm surprised that someone with a true intimate relationship with God would not be offended by this.

Fm25 said...

correction to above: not allowed, planned. Do you believe God planned this so davey's church could grow?

rjb said...

Peter, re: Sharia --

Thank you for addressing that. I wanted to reply to that comment yesterday, but I wanted to be sure that my response was thoughtful and not merely reactionary.

Nowhere in JudeoChristian scriptures are believers given carte blanche to misrepresent or flat out lie about their beliefs and teachings.

Misrepresentation and misunderstanding of the Bible, combined with extra-Biblical teachings have lead to horrible chapters in history. The Crusades, the Inquisition, witch hunts in Europe and the American Colonies. Even today there are offshoots such as the Westboro Baptist Church who proof text and cherry pick scripture in order to support their hateful agendas, ignoring scriptures that say, "Be at peace with all people," "Do good to those who hurt you," "Pray for those who persecute you," and so much more.

My husband is a chaplain in the Army Reserves. He frequently paraphrases Matthew 10:14, saying, "It's not my job to shove Jesus down their throats. It's my job to preach the Word, and if anyone rejects it, I shake the dust from my feet and move on." Contrast this with Islam, which advocates not only shoving its beliefs and teachings down the throats of others, but using deception whenever convenient with Kafir, and violence to achieve its ends.

I have seen scripture misused by people I trusted in both a family setting and in a church that I was an involved member of until I chose to leave for my own well being. These experiences have made me very wary of what people like to call "organized religion;" however, "I know Him whom I have believed," and I know that the things that I witnessed and experienced are provably contrary to what scripture says about how Christians are supposed to treat others. In my own research I have yet to find anything in the Muslim scriptures that commands Muslims NOT to commit the acts that the media and political correctness insist are connected solely with "extremists." If the Muslim holy books do not say it, I cannot say it for them.

Fm25 said...

Oh sweetie, we'd know if davey gave away every dime. He'd broadcast it everywhere.

rjb said...

Yesterday I came across actor Patton Oswalt's eulogy for his wife. I couldn't help but contrast it with everything DB has said and has *not* said regarding Amanda.

For example:
"I loved her. This is the first time I’ve been able to use “I” writing this. Probably because there hasn’t been much of an “I” since the morning of April 21. There probably won’t be for a while. Whatever there is belongs to my daughter—to our daughter. Alice.... That was Michelle. That is Michelle.

I love her."

Full eulogy can be found here:

http://time.com/4316653/patton-oswalt-remembers-michelle-mcnamara/

Leslie said...

If the truth about CD ever comes to light, I feel extra sorry for Amanda's family (they seem sincere and have already suffered such a huge loss), as they appear to still be under Davey's spell. Amanda's father commented on CD's "I Loved Her First" blog post, today:

PHIL BYARS
May 5, 2016 / Reply
Well…I love you son!
“My heart is broken but not shattered, afflicted but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; struck down, but not destroyed. We carry this in us so that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.”
I have no other words! We have a lot of work to do!

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/
I’m so proud of you!…until Jesus comes!!

Leslie said...

* I should have said that Amanda's family has already suffered huge lossES *

Hey Jude said...

Anon/Molly - it is another dishonest piece of self-justifying hogwash - he's trying to create the impression he loved Amanda, when probably he didn't even kiss her - because it would have been like kissing her father, allegedly. He's trying to create the impression that he's sensitive, considerate and caring - poor, devastated Davey - if only God had sent a legion of angels to lock that front door and save Amanda - as though Davey was powerless to have done that for her, himself. How difficult is it to lock a door?

I can't believe the comments on his blog, how people are so accepting of and grateful for everything he says, and don't see they are being played.

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Boston Lady 'I Loved Her First' - that would be a good title for his book - begins with 'I' , so people would think it referred to the author, while it doesn't actually mean Davey loved Amanda - plus Amanda is just a 'her'.

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Too much of the Davey.

flightfulbird said...

Oh please said at 8:00am
"My point was that if he took his clothes with him to change, he WASN'T in sweaty clothes in his driveway, right? But people seem to want it both ways.

Some people keep their gym clothes in a bag in the event they need to run errands or whatever before/after they work out. It's not unheard of. Personal anecdotes about "most people you know" don't change that."

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While it is true that none of us know each others' dressing and gym habits for sure, some situations make more sense than others -especially for a guy like Davey who is clearly a gym rat who would've had a consistent routine after training for years on end.

It makes the most sense, going straight to the gym from home and especially with his limited time on THAT morning (later than usual getting out of the door and then a phone call scheduled directly afterward), that he would drive to the gym in the clothes in which he was going to train. Then, he wouldn't have to waste time changing in the locker room - he could get right into it and have more actual training time inside the gym.

Those who train consistently have the time management and habits surrounding their training sessions down to a science and it is unlikely, especially with already having to train shorter that day, that Davey would want to take time to change into gym clothes at the gym when he could've just thrown them on at home when he woke up, before he read his Bible for a bit and headed out.

Yes, some people keep their GYM clothes in a bag in the event they need to run errands or whatever before/after they work out - but Davey WAS NOT going anywhere that morning before/after he trained - he went straight from their house to the gym and straight back home (to shower). Grabbing gym clothes / gym bag IF he was going to Starbucks first, or had an early meeting, or was going to work and then go to the gym later in the day - yeah for sure - but sharing my own habits, there's no logical reason I would choose to put on street clothes for a fifteen minute drive to the gym from home, only to have to immediately change into gym clothes straight away when I got there before I could start training - and I don't feel there's any reason Davey would either.

And this is important - he said "when I returned home TO SHOWER" - so whatever was in the gym bag was not clothes he was taking with him to change after showering at the gym. None of us know whether he was in sweaty clothes in the car on the driveway or not, but he specifically said (maybe even more than once- cannot remember) that he returned home to shower so that indicates he either didn't shower at the gym - or - he did, but then still said he returned home to shower.

This is important because his words clearly stated he intended to shower at home after the gym - so when he walked in and saw Amanda, he wouldn't then go and get a shower, right? - wouldn't he tend to her, call 911, stay with her until EMTs arrived ? I wonder what he was wearing when they got there, when IMPD got there - was he still in gym clothes - did he change clothes before going to the hospital? Did he actually train at the gym at all - if he had no time to shower in the "bit of chaos" he found when he walked in and was clean / not scuzzy when Engine 12 and IMPD saw him - then maybe he didn't train? Or - maybe he did take the time to shower at home even with everything else going on - then called 911 "as soon as he could" - so he was clean when they arrived.

What was he wearing into the gym when he was seen on camera and what was he wearing when he left - was he carrying the gym bag in but not out?

And saying he returned home to shower is strange too - no reason to explain why he returned home or what he would be doing - no reason for anyone to think he wouldn't get a shower after training hard in the gym.

Hey Jude said...

A lot of exclamation marks going on there with Phil. Poor man, he needs to keep believing in and being proud of Davey (he gave him his daughter, plus he has Weston) - but only until Jesus comes back. Phil - maybe waiting on Judgement Day. Long wait - I hope there might be some interim judgement upon Davey which counts, just for being Davey, quite aside from "what happened?'

flightfulbird said...

I, too, think the gym bag *might not* have had gym clothes in it. That would've been a really easy way to cart a laptop and/or some other incriminating evidence from the house - and if a neighbor saw him and waved and was asked about anything later, it would just have been a gym bag Davey was carrying - no way to know what was in it.

Davey's language seems so very sensitive when he is talking about the gym, gym bag, grabbing his gym clothes and heading out for a workout, hit up the gym pretty early, got a workout in. . .something was going on with the gym bag / gym clothes for him to keep mentioning it in blog posts and the NewSpring appearance(s).

Hey Jude said...

(I don't trust exclamation marks.).

What is an exclamation mark, and what are multiple exclamation marks about, in SA?

Anonymous said...

@FM25 Do you believe God planned this so davey's church could grow?
Nope I do not believe God “planned” this to allow Davey’s church to grow. I do believe that God allows all of us free will and that the people who murdered Amanda exercised their free will and what the murderers meant for harm God can make good. Copied and pasted
Sometimes do you ever wonder why God called you to do something for Him? There are many reasons why God shouldn't have called you, or me, or anyone else for that matter, but God doesn't wait until we are perfect to call us. Think of all those God used. You're in good company if you think you aren't ready for God to use. Abraham lied. Sarah laughed at God's promises. Moses stuttered. David's armor didn't fit. John Mark was rejected by Paul. Timothy had ulcers. Hosea's wife was a prostitute. Amos' only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning. Jacob was a liar. David had an affair. Solomon was too rich. Jesus was too poor. Abraham was too old. David was too young. Peter was afraid of death. Lazarus was dead. John was self-righteous. Naomi was a widow. Paul was a murderer. So was Moses. Jonah ran from God. Miriam was a gossip. Gideon and Thomas both doubted. Jeremiah was depressed and suicidal. Elijah was burned out. John the Baptist was a loudmouth. Martha was a worry-wort. Mary may have been lazy. Samson had long hair. Noah got drunk. Did I mention Moses had a short fuse? So did Peter, Paul and lots of folks.
But God doesn't hire and fire like most bosses because He's more like our Dad than a boss. He doesn't look at financial gain or loss. He's not prejudiced or partial, nor sassy and brassy, nor deaf to our cry. He's not blind to our faults. His gifts to us are free. We could do wonderful things for others and still not be wonderful ourselves. Satan says, "You're not worthy!" Jesus says, "So what? I AM." Satan looks back and sees our mistakes. God looks back and sees the Cross. Author unknown
God has done lots more with people far worse than Davey. When God uses someone like Davey ONLY God can get the credit no matter what their blog says.
~Molly~

Amy Smith said...

Oh come on now with the "churches buy domains all the time" excuse. We're not talking about "all the time." THIS time. This domain Newspring and Davey capitalized on 3 days after Amanda's murder. The domain goes to Davey's church, Resonate.

lynda said...

Excellent point FM25.


I would never want something to happen to my husband... if it did I can't help but know I am in the middle of God's will. I wonder how many of you have a true intimate relationship with Christ. I wonder how many of you have a God centered marriage. I wonder how many of you have actual jobs... You seem to spend massive of time speculating. My life is so full with the peace and joy God gives me... to worry about another is just a waste of time God gives me. Whether Davey is guilty or not I promise you the God I serve is big enough to handle the consequences without my help or my time spent speculating.
It is all God’s anyway. Like that is the part I get about this story. Whether Davey is a devoted, bible toting believer or the spawn of Satan; God is big enough to work around that. In spite of imperfections (human, earthly big mess of screwed people we ALL are) God makes all thing beautiful in His timing. God's timing, not ours!! Don't miss that point"

Molly, Do you see that everything you have said totally omits the free will of man? Davey's "imperfections" are not going to be made beautiful by God unless Davey REPENTS in this world, and CHOOSES to live his life honestly and GLORIFY GOD. He is doing neither. He is a FALSE PROPHET. I hate to use the word prophet with him because he is not one, but since he is the pastor of a "church" and he is distorting Gods laws and the Word, I think false prophet is applicable. I do have an intimate relationship with Christ, and I try to live the way that I think God wants me too. We are not all heathens, and the fact that you think that we must not have God in our lives because we are using the brains that He gave us shows your lack of maturity. Either in your walk with Christ, or in your age. It is NOT GODS WILL FOR man to become animals, murder, hate, long painful deaths, adultery, baby killing, name your sin. It is MANS FREE WILL that causes that to happen. God weeps for us because of it. Do you really think that if your husband was shot on a bus, that was God's will? It was the will of the man that shot him! For you to say to worry about another is a waste of time because God will take care of it is naive. God WANTS us to worry about others, he WANTS us to pray for others, he WANTS us to lead righteous (NOT self righteous) lives. In Him, we are made righteous. True judgement comes from the Lord of course, but we as a society have to do what needs to be done to at least isolate (imprison) people that are a danger to society or others. They are serving the wrong Master. Forgiveness comes with repentance. Living, or trying to live, a Godly life is HARD. It's not all just, God will take care of it, God will make everything ok. Leave it to God. We all need to take responsibility for our choices and where they not only lead us, but what occurs (happiness or tragedy) because of them.

rjb said...

Molly --

I am curious. Why did you include "Samson had long hair" in your list of shortcomings rather than "Samson was prideful" or "Samson cared more about satisfying his hedonistic impulses than obeying God?" Samson's long hair was because of his Nazarite vows, and marked him as specially consecrated to the Lord (Numbers 6:1 - 21.)

(This question isn't intended as nitpicking; I am genuinely intrigued.)

Anonymous said...

@rjb I copied and pasted and the unknown author said long hair. I am not sure why the author said it that way.
@Lynda Do you really think that if your husband was shot on a bus, that was God's will? NOPE, I think I am in the middle of God's will for my life and someone uses their free will to hurt my husband that I am still in the middle of God's will. And I will have to move forward with that confidence I profess right now.

we as a society have to do what needs to be done to at least isolate (imprison) people that are a danger to society or others.... OK What is your thoughts about Jesus befriending people you think we should isolate?
This whole thing is a sticky situation. Like when do you cross that line between being the light in someone's lives and being drug into the muck and the mire with them?
~Molly~

BOSTON LADY said...

rjb said...
Yesterday I came across actor Patton Oswalt's eulogy for his wife. I couldn't help but contrast it with everything DB has said and has *not* said regarding Amanda.

For example:
"I loved her. This is the first time I’ve been able to use “I” writing this. Probably because there hasn’t been much of an “I” since the morning of April 21. There probably won’t be for a while. Whatever there is belongs to my daughter—to our daughter. Alice.... That was Michelle. That is Michelle.

I love her."

Full eulogy can be found here:

http://time.com/4316653/patton-oswalt-remembers-michelle-mcnamara/

May 5, 2016 at 11:13 AM

****************

Thank you for sharing. This was beautifully written by someone who expressed his grief and love of his wife. THIS is what one would expect of someone expressing their grief. What Davey is expressing does not feel real. It is theatrical, melodramatic. Each blog getting more and more so. Is it because he is becoming more confident in thinking he is not considered a suspect? Yes, people grieve differently. Well not differently, people go thru the same process but they process may not be in the same order. But Davey is putting on a display. Davey writes "I loved her first" and wraps it in an elaborate tale. Where Patton Oswald writes "I loved her" Simple, pure, honest.

rjb said...

Molly --

Thank you for the clarification.

To your question, I would say that Jesus befriended the outcasts of his society because they were broken people who wanted to be mended. "Go and sin no more," He said, and although His friends included tax collectors and prostitutes, He was not an enabler. He did not expect true perfection, knowing it to be impossible, but He did demand a sincere turning away from sinful habits and lifestyles. That should be our benchmark as well. For me the line is when someone claims to be a follower of Christ but insists on and makes excuses for remaining in their old sinful behaviors. I believe that those people are far more likely to drag one into "the muck and the mire" than those who have made no profession of faith.

Anonymous said...

@RJB Thank you... that was a well thought out response and I agree... Still I can't help of think of the times when people didn't give on me in my season of excuses. And how thankful I am for those people. I have several people around me that speak truth and love into my life. Sometimes they might have to say the same thing more than once or pray silently and lead by example until I work out my own selfishness and finally repent. And I hope I am that person to those people also. I speak truth and love and pray while they work it out. I might struggle with gossip. My friend might struggle with debt. They are both sin. Does that make sense?
~Molly~

Amy Smith said...

OT: Police believe that #MissyBevers had been in contact with her killer, & that the killer may have used a cellphone to record the slaying.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/slain-fitness-instructor-missy-bevers-received-creepy-and-strange-messages-days-before-slaying-search-warrant-says.html/

rjb said...

Molly --

Of course, but there is a difference between struggling with and wallowing in.

The following comes to mind. About six months ago I had a falling out with the woman who had been my best friend for years. We called each other out on various things: one of the things I called her on was gossiping. She turned it around and said, "If I'm such a horrible gossip then you're just as bad for listening to it." I said she was absolutely right, I shouldn't have listened and I had been a poor friend to her by enabling and participating in gossip with her. Most of the things she called me on were spot on. After all, she was my best friend and I was open and transparent with her, warts and all. Everything that she said I was guilty of I admitted to, apologized for the ways in which I had wronged her, and I have been working on recognizing those things in my life, living a life of repentance, and asking forgiveness from those that I sin against. My friend, on the other hand, would not acknowledge that any of the things I called her out on were valid, instead casting accusation after accusation at me until it reached the point where she told me that my calm and logical replies to her were a personality flaw. I was hoping that we could reconcile and forgive one another, but she said that she had no interest in being friends with me any longer, and we haven't had any contact since December.

I did a lot of things wrong in that friendship. I do a lot of things wrong as a wife and as a mother. I do a lot of things wrong as a follower of Christ. But I try to be aware of my shortcomings and sin habits (anger is a big stumbling block for me) and when I know that I am indulging in those things or if a friend or my husband tells me about something they see me doing that I shouldn't, I try to honestly and humbly examine that about myself and change my ways.

Anon4 said...

I want to know who "cleared" DB from the investigation. What is the name and position of the person who made and communicated that decision to investigating officers?

DB was never professionally interviewed by LE.

Have LE personnel subsequently transferred due to a cover-up or been transferred due to what they know?

Did DB originally say, "gym clothes?" A comment about whether DB would wash clothes bloodied by assaulting his wife sparked a thought that maybe that's what the gym bag was for -- bloody clothes.

I want to know about DB's phone records from the evening before. Did DB call someone before he left the house? Was the driveway phone call about "orchestrating" DB through
the upcoming situation, including the fact that he was cleared as a suspect?

My take is that if the "higher-ups" (whoever they are) become at risk for exposure, they will cut DB lose in a flash. PN and crew literally own DB now.

Peter Hyatt said...

The Islamic beheading in the Philippians was the worst video of beheading they've ever released. It makes you wonder how someone can even go through with it and still be human.

The victim's screams are the worst, and they do very close up video without editing.

The victim is Canadian and the press has been quiet about it. It was at www.unsafespeech.com

The most brutal I've seen.

Heisgay said...

Fm 25,

Thank you for supplying these quotes containing pregnancy references from Davey.

THIS particular one jumped out at me, and here is what I think it could mean following quote

Bring me the ephod 01/31/16
"Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone. "
*** who turned back on them when Amanda found out she was pregnant? Did it have financial implications?***

I think that the people who said "I got your back bro" were the thugs he had hired to kill Amanda. However, when he told them she was pregnant, they backed out (African American males who tend to value their mothers may have found killing a pregnant woman unacceptable or simply too cruel). So, at that point, Davey has to figure out what to do. Did he:

A) Decide to kill her himself?
B) Decide to try to just kill the unborn baby?
C) Decide to frame the thugs who "turned their backs on him" for her murder?
D) Botch the killing of Amanda and/or her unborn baby and manage to get one thug to say "fine she's already mostly dead...I'll come over and put her out of her misery by shooting her.

Anonymous said...

The main thing that stood out to me about the unborn baby is Davey said "her baby" never our baby in interviews.
Plus the "broke the news" seemed like a negative way to tell your husband.
I wonder if he had any trust issues in the marriage?
It's too bad that it was considered a bad thing to talk to friends/family about the marriage, maybe it could have saved her life, or solved the who done it in the end.

Heisgay said...

Molly,

Why are you fighting so hard to believe Davey? You seem intelligent, therefore you must realize that at minimum, this narcissist who often degraded Amanda publically did not have a "God-centered marriage". Molly, Davey did not put Amanda up on a pedestal. He put himself up on a pedestal. Sweetie, sometimes it's OK to judge other people and to not pretend they are good people when you know deep down they are not. God wants us to be able to discriminate between good and evil.
Also, the reason I come on this site is bc I am good at SA, there is a high percentage of intelligent people here, and trying to solve these cases occupies my thought at night so I dont think about other things that cause me anxiety attacks bc it requires all my focus. Please feel free to stick around you might find SA interesting.

Bingo3 said...

Isn't the pretrial tomorrow? Any updates?

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