Thursday, May 19, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Part Three: Ideology and Deception

While pregnant, Amanda Blackburn and her pre born child were murdered.  
The husband, Davey, made many statements and was interviewed on television shortly after the murder.  

 Police eventually arrested and charged 3 gang members with her murder.

Blackburn, as husband, had a strong alibi:  he was at the gym when the home invasion and murder took place. 

 It appears that he was not polygraphed

His language shortly after the murder shocked the public.   

I have heard two dismissals of Blackburn's words, both using the ideology:

1.  He did not grieve his losses and concentrated on numbers because he loves lost souls so much.  

This was to defend his bizarre language using the ideology.

the second is equally wrong:

2.  His language was due to his ideology.  It is not that he is showing guilt, or even a need to be found among others in a plurality to assuage guilt, it is just that he sees himself and his 'god' in such close proximity that it went into the intuition of pronouns. 

Both of these claims dismiss the analysis due to the ideology that Blackburn affirms.   


Both of these claims are wrong as I will exhibit in this lengthy article about ideology.  

To understand much of the language used by the victim's husband in the Amanda Blackburn murder, it is essential to grasp the ideology.  This is true in any analysis, though it is often not noticed until a cold case is presented:

Ideology; culture; behavior; language.  The language is not reality, but the subject's verbalized perception of reality.  

I will give an overview (general) of the ideology first, 
then, I will raise the question:  

Is the husband's affirmation of this ideology done in a deceptive manner? 

 Lastly, I will bring forth analysis of his language, while referencing the ideology in a separate article. 

Why? 

Why the need to show the ideology first?

It is more than to just understand his language; which is important enough. 

There is something far more important in this murder case where the statistics tell us that when a pregnant woman is murdered, the number one suspect is the husband/father of the child. 

Much of what the victim's husband has said has been dismissed due to the ideology that produced it.  This is to show ignorance, both of criminal analysis, and of the personality embracing a specific ideology who deliberately exploits it.   Here, we will take a basic look at the ideology and then the subject's view towards the ideology and how this may impact the analysis.  

The central question is this:

Is the subject honest or  deceptive, regarding his use of the religious ideology that he publicly espouses?

Is he honest about it?  This is vital for analysis of this case; not is he 'incorrect' about any part of the ideology, but is he deliberately altering, deleting, adding, or outright changing that which he states is unalterably divine?  To affirm divine origin is not only to affirm inerrancy, but it is to hold something to a level of "sacred"; that is, set apart from all else.  

Is he, somehow, deceptive, which means, 'knowingly' changing the ideology for a specific purpose. Is this purpose narcissistically based? 

 If so, it provides strong insight into his personality and subsequent language.  


In researching this element, these factors must be present:

*The ideology must be believed (and stated) to be of divine origin.  This means it is unchanging truth, given to us by God, and cannot be changed or altered to fit human opinion.  Truth, by definition, is not impacted by external influences, including time.  For what I am looking for here, the premise must be that the ideology of the victim's husband is that it is divine truth which cannot be altered.  

What type of personality element can claim that their ideology is of divine origin yet alter it, or even have a need to alter its presentation, in spite of believing it to be divine? 

*The alteration must not an error, misunderstanding, or disagreement.  The alteration must be deliberate.  

If one says "this ideology is divine" and then adds, subtracts or does any alteration of it, in application, presentation, or core belief, the personality is being revealed to the audience, and where the self places his view in comparison to divinity.  In a murder case, it is vital.  

It is as to say, "God is good; but I, that is, me, myself, I am better" in a sense of narcissism that is all but impossible to contain, even by the most talented egotists.  The filter simply gives way once he enters the free editing process of speech where he chooses his own words.  

Question for consideration:  Does Blackburn alter the ideology, in any way, to fit a specific agenda that belongs uniquely to him?

This alteration can be in design, scope, presentation or application, but it must be deliberate, of which I offer a few examples, which would then allow us to gain some insight into the personality.  

We also need to have a basic grasp of the ideology to understand the language in a deeper, more concise manner for the purpose of analysis.  

By understanding the ideology, we may be given insight into personal conflict within the victim's husband.  

This now will give you insight into the element within the personality.  We must step  back in ideology, and then on to the subject's variant on this ideology including any cultural 'adjustment' or compatibility towards it.  This, alone, will provide insight into the personality and temperament of the one person who has done much to foster suspicion that he is connected to the murder, though the case may be 'closed' by police. 

Please consider that everyone is under the influence of an ideology whether we embrace it or not.  

If you were raised in "Western civilization", Judeo Christianity, as an ideology, shaped your own thinking, inherited from your parents, who inherited this from their parents, and so on, regardless of the element of "faith" or personal conviction. Even if you do not believe in either Judaism or Christianity, you are a product of a Judeo-Christian culture, that is, the practical and measurable outworking from the ideology from the Bible. 

 It does not mean you believe in the Bible nor claim to be Jewish or Christian.  It means you were raised in a culture that had its roots in the Bible's ideological positions, even as, generationally, the culture shifts further and further away from it.  Today, it may be fair to estimate, Judeo Christian ideology is no longer the influence it has been, but in many ways, it is even despised, even as some have altered it to make it culturally compatible.  Yet, even in a 'post Christian' generation, its influence remains with us.  The fascinating element of this alteration is that they still claim the ideology to be "divine", meaning, it needs no change, no dressing up, no persuasion, and so on, to be relevant because the divine message, if divine, is perfection, and without "need to persuade" found outside itself.  

In other words, if it is divine, those who alter it, even if in presentation, are showing great weakness.  They either do not believe it is divine, or...

they note that 'divinity needs help' and you can guess just who it is who is bright enough to offer divinity a hand.  

Now, if divinity 'needs help', can you guess the personality that is willing to 'fix divinity' to make it relevant or culturally compatible today?

This is essential in understanding the history of thought (and language) and where specific arguments come from.  

For example, if you dwell in relative safety between your neighbors on the left and neighbors on the right, this may be due to a cultural external adherence to "thou shalt not" of Judeo Christian thought.  To dismiss this as 'common sense' is to deny one's own history and to show ignorance of how others, in other cultures, think about this.  

Here is a more practical and easier to spot example:  

While at work, when you are insulted or humiliated and withhold your anger, it is as a result of culture which was shaped by an ideology that prized self-governing of your emotions.  You presented an idea at your work in which one person disagreed and when you asked him why he disagreed, he ridiculed your appearance, or some arbitrary position, while avoiding giving any practical reason for his disagreement.  

You remained silent and were viewed as 'strong' in your position; admired by coworkers. 

Other ideologies (and the subsequent cultures) would not admire you for your restraint, but would hold you in contempt for your weakness.  This is a basis of the Islamic ideology and its impact upon eastern culture.  What we saw in Cologne was not so much misogyny, (though rape is) but a powerful contempt of European men who are incapable or unwilling to protect their women, lest they be called names such as 'racist' or 'right wing' or now, the new insult, 'nationalist.'

The same event has two very different opinions due to differing cultures, which are due to very different ideologies which impacted the cultures.  

When you show a sense of justice; you are not a 'blank slate' of 'new ideas' but as a result of your upbringing, your parents' upbringing, their parents' upbringing, and so on and how they were influenced by the world around them.   Example:  

The 'West' loves children.  Think of 'nativity' scenes where they bow down before a child in a manager, and how they talk of childhood innocence and such.  This is juxtaposed next to Islamic nations where children are human shields, strapped with bombs, or used for propaganda purposes by migrants.  

This photo is upsetting to the western mind.  To the Islamic mind, there is nothing wrong, nor inappropriate about it, and they question why this would upset any western male.  To them, it is the cultural outworking of the Koran's teaching of the value of woman.  


Iconic photo of Islamic culture invading Europe 

All throughout northern Africa, the middle east and parts of Asia, women and children are denigrated culturally even though these are different peoples, nations, tribes and languages. What is the common denominator?  The ideology;  Islam.  

Westerners project their culture onto a people who hold the ideology of the west in contempt.  It does not work. 

Let's take a look in American culture and ideology and see the waning influence of Judeo-Christian thought. 

Another example is the Titanic Society that heralded the "women and children first" ideology that is distinctly opposite of the dominant Islamic ideology that encompasses much of the world.  The notion that "women and children" are placed first is due to the physical weakness of both.  Rather than "survival of the fittest" (including Marxism today), the distinctly Judeo-Christian thought is that when one is given strength, he is expected to sacrifice his strength to protect those without.  This was the historical definition of "masculinity" that arose from the ideology.  A "patriarchal" society, in this definition, meant that the male sacrifices for the female.  It has been redefined to mean male exploitation of the female, as ancient ideological beliefs are now replaced with "more progressive" beliefs, which are not, as claimed, new to history.  



Here is a rather superficial example, yet for analysis, it is important. 

In the late 50's, Elvis shook his hips on TV and was roundly condemned for being "vulgar" because the culture (outworking of ideology) felt that sex was personal and private.  The word "obscene" means 'off-stage' or 'private.'  Today, this same video clip is used for humor to ridicule another culture.  It was not that sex was wrong, it was private and the performer was mimicking in public that which the culture held as private.  It was 'in the wrong place' but not wrong, itself.  
Not exactly Madonna's dog 


Let's say you were assigned a cold case of a murder where the subject was a young teenager when he heard his parents' anger at Elvis on The Ed Sullivan Show.  He was impacted by something you are not impacted by.  You need to enter the 'shoes' of the subject who was raised to believe that Elvis was, in deed, vulgar, though you, the reader/analyst, may not personally agree.  If you cannot 'see' what the subject 'sees', you might completely miss valuable elements.  This was the recent work done by our top analysts in a cold case murder investigation of which I expect a conviction.  

When a pregnant woman is murdered, statistics point to the husband/boyfriend/father of the child.  

To understand the language of Davey Blackburn, look at:

1.  The ideology
2.  The culture
3.  His public reaction to the ideology
4.  His public reaction to the culture 
5.  Any contempt of the ideology.  

Remember: he is a professional public speaker.  His business is that he sells an ideology and has stated his desire to see his audience grow.    

Then, take yet another look at his language:  It is intended to be understood.  When he was alone, and used the word "we", it was not a signal of psychosis, nor was it a belief that it was him and Jesus.  This is a bit of a journey, but for those who wish to learn analysis, it is indispensable.  It is why I have been prompting study of Islamic ideology, Islamic culture, and the criminal outworking of both.  It is an excellent exercise for those who wish to become analysts.  Listen to Dr. Nicolai Sennels, for example, as a criminal psychologist who treats Muslim men in Dannish prisons.  He was given an amazing education over the years as he learned that their thinking and subsequent impulse was nothing like his own nor the average European.  I disagree, personally, with some of his ideology, but respect his study.  

Those who, for example, can only project their own thought and culture, cannot work cold cases from yesteryear when culture was different from our own. (they fail for a variety of reasons not listed here but of the same theme:  projection).  The dramatic shift (rapidity) today, whether due to political influences and/or the speed of transmission of information, means we must adapt to analyze.  

You must hear Blackburn from Blackburn's own language. 

I ask readers to attempt to understand this ideology apart from any personal belief or faith.  No disrespect is intended in the language, nor in the punctuation.  It is an attempt to bring understanding and clarity to 'enter into the shoes of the subject.'  

Exercise 

I would like all readers to consider, for this analysis,  that Judaism and Christianity are utterly false superstitious stories in an attempt to explain that which cannot be explained, though every human asks the question as to "why" they are in existence.  I want them to view the ideology separate from belief, faith, loyalty, and so on.  This is an exercise for analysis and it is about moving deeply into language; language nurtured by culture, born of ideology.  It is a hypothetical exercise, similar to what we do in expectation to every statement we approach.  

 What you are being asked to do is this:

Is Davey Blackburn, husband of murder victim, Amanda Blackburn, true to the ideology he sells, or is he one who knowingly and purposefully does 'violence' to the ideology to pursue his own personal goals and agenda? 

This is not "Is Blackburn perfect?" as a question.  No human is. 
This is not "Is Blackburn correct in his understanding?" as a question. 

 The best human beings fail in all things in life.  These failures are spectacularly published when one claims to be a Christian though they are the failures that the accusers, themselves, participate in without public reproach.  

 When you meet a perfect family, you are meeting one that hides their frailties well.  When you hear of the perfect marriage, you are hearing elements of fiction.  The Bible's books that are biographical are considered unique as they never present anyone (sans Christ) in a perfect (or even good) light whereas biographies throughout history have traditionally been white washed, lest they are "tabloid tell alls" of today.  

We are in a murder case analysis. 

 It matters not if we disagree about this understanding or that understanding.  We are interested in his understanding, the subject, himself, and what he does (or does not) do with it.  I see the evidence of emotion in the comments of this case. There is deep shame, embarrassment, anger over misrepresentation, as well as the usual anger of believing this to be a miscarriage of justice. 


The Basic Ideology 

It is difficult in choosing the distinctives within this ideology, so I have chosen some basics, and, most deliberately, I have chosen some that are provocative as they are in direct opposition to what is culturally accepted today.  This is vital to our analysis:  where the ideology is in conflict with popular opinion today. 

Short Historical Sketch 

In the middle east, a man of no renown, education, money, nor place in society, stepped into the pages of history and made stupendous and exhaustively intolerant claims.  This was more than 20 centuries ago, predating modern methods of communication, including the printing press, cameras, video and the internet.  Word of mouth and carefully copied parchments alone would rehearse his biography and ideology. 

He claimed that the entire religion of the tiny nation of Israel, "Judaism" was all about him.  He claimed to be present at creation where it is written "Let us make man in our image" (Elohim, plural), in the establishment of all living things.  He claimed that each book in the collection of ancient works that had been used to construct the tiny nation's laws, were written about him and that each ceremony and even historical event, reflected, mirrored or had at its essence, him. He claimed that predictions made, over the course of centuries, in different languages and by different authors, was accurately fulfilled in him, from his birth, exact geographical location, chronology,  betrayal, trial, to the actual detailed forensics of his death, hundreds of years prior to the event.  He claimed to be the unique fulfillment of every prediction.   

To have such an impact as He has, we note his His career was very short; about 3 years.  He claimed not simply to know God, but to be God, as the unique Son, and this, his view point, was utterly intolerant. He claimed to be the exclusive avenue of access to God and that every other means was to indicate deception and fraud.  

He also made historical predictions, including the destruction of the famous temple, and the utter description of Jerusalem, 70 AD, by Titus of Rome, giving both dating and detail which, 40 years later, happened as predicted.  

He gave revolutionary ideas to the small crowds and the distinctions are well known.  Justice would be limited and mercy endorsed.  We grew up, whether we believed (faith) in this ideology or not, influenced by it.  Our nation was founded upon its influence and its influence was in all of the textbooks of the schools, as well as in the legal language of the founding (s) of the country.  Oaths of allegiance were sworn to him by those elected as rulers and even in the legal language of colony, territory and state constitutions, he was referenced. 

He taught and upheld the Old Testament (Judaism) and His explanation of its meaning, pointing to Himself as the fulfillment of all the promises, and then gave explicit instruction to 12 men to spread His message.  He predicted his trial, death and that he would live again.  

On the third day after his illegal trial and execution, eye witnesses claimed to have seen him, at different times, and by different numbers of eye witnesses.  This added a little more than a month to his overall short career.

This poor obscure blue collar man from the middle of nowhere, 20 centuries ago,  claimed to be complete "king" over every nation on earth.  His rule was also laid out:  his followers were to spread His ideology by example of doing good to others, with the consequence of rejection being eternal rejection, but not temporal, nor violent.   

The entire Western world was forged with this powerful and revolutionary ideology.  To "treat one as you want to be treated" was, in history, something that was revolutionary and in lands where it was accepted, progress was seen.   The list of "thou shalt nots" put great restraint upon mankind.  Even the "eye for a eye" was shocking, as it limited justice in a most violent and dark world.  He predicted that his followers would be hated and persecuted, which began in earnest shortly after his death and was the norm for more than 300 years where those who held to this ideology suffered horrific deaths.  Even so, the ideology grew. 

  He was obscure and his local fame, numerically small, was resented by politicians and religious leaders who felt the best way to end the revolution was to kill him.  This became the norm for society, including the powerful Roman empire who would, for hundreds of years, make those who embraced (faith, belief) the obscure man's ideology, targets for violent and cruel death.  Eventually, a merger of his ideology and Roman culture took place.  

How violent was the world outside of this ideology?

Did you see the movie, "Gladiator"?  In one seen, after a brutal battle in which the Roman legion invaded Europe for the purpose of exploitation, the lead character, a general, was asked what he wanted to do next in life.  He stated that he wanted to go home and raise crops with his wife and son, of whom he had not seen at length.  As an invader of foreign lands, he said that he had "seen the rest of the world and Rome is the light!" 

Rome had many Jewish slaves and were influenced by the ideology that came from Israel.  If you view the complex ceremonial descriptions you see the basic ingredients of soap, for example.  In the movie, we view Rome as 'horribly violent' with the multitudes enjoying violence as entertainment and the brutal chattel slavery as its norm.  Yet, this movie had much historical and linguistical accuracy.  Rome, which had brutal slavery, was not as dark as the rest of the world. The ancient world was far more violent.  As the Judeo-Christian ideology spread, things changed, but where there was little or no Judeo-Christian ideology there was almost indescribable brutality.  
The search for Dr. Livingstone

Early slave traders, fame seekers, missionaries and those who simply loved exploration, wrote first hand accounts of African villages that is close to being unreadable.  The writers were of varying motive, which makes it better for us to read, but what did they write?  What was the world outside of this ideology like?  A typical description of a village in Africa, for example, showed that slavery was the norm, with 70% of a village in slavery, and that food stores had specific meat selling, with human meat being the most expensive.  One slaver-wanna be wrote that he watched a fat girl run through a pathway where men jumped her, tore her apart, and ate her alive.  Another wrote that one wealthy owner was having friends over for a dinner and did not have enough meat.  His most loyal slave volunteered to be the host's main course, due to his 'devotion' to his master.  


They found no books, no poetry, no literature, no plays, theaters, hospitals, nor schools, and this was similar wherever in the continent they landed.  Missionaries lamented that they could not convince the native Africans "thou shalt not kill", as it seemed bizarre and silly to them.  The cruelty they exhibited one to another, especially to children, was unwatchable, but it was their norm. If a baby developed teeth in one side of her mouth before the other, she would have to brutally killed to appease the 'gods' they feared.  Although locale by locale the beliefs changed, brutality and filth, with little reverence for life, was the same.  The white man who came as a missionary was targeted by the Africans because, they learned quickly, he was destructive to the lucrative slave trade.  He was targeted by Africans, Arab slave traders, and European slave traders besides the general danger from cannibalism that was the norm in the entire continent.  Please consider the number of missionary deaths, including family, as well as their testimony of celebration over just one convert to their ideology.  This is something Christians point back to proudly, and must be compared to Blackburn's anger at his followers' failure to meet his pre-set target for numbers "even though" some people professed conversion.  This was stated in the form of minimal comparison, structurally.  It also showed what topic (failure) would produce the pronoun "I" for him.  


If European descendants wish to consider themselves superior to the Africans, one only need to consider some of the testimonies of the Roman invaders to see filth, brutality, and 'the law of the jungle', that is, the survival of the strongest, to know that my background, Irish, for example, without the influence of Judeo-Christian ideology, was as brutish as any other in Europe, which was similar to the barbaric African.  

In fact, this beginning is something we all share in common.   

As this obscure middle eastern man's ideology spread, it was accepted, in measure; (some higher measure, some lower), while some mixed with the local culture.  Improvement in life was slow, but steady, with some setbacks, errors and then recoveries.  

Yet, today, the world around us has been utterly shaped by the ideology presented, so much so, that it divided the world into 2 basic parts:  those areas that accessed his ideology and those which did not.

In general, those that had this ideology went on to create "Western civilization" with advances completely beyond any and everything else, especially at the major turning point of the Reformation, including:

Equal rights,  innovation, freedom, Shakespeare, Architecture, Music, Bach and Beethoven, justice, dignity, human rights, and led to the most bizarre human experiment ever conducted;  the founding of a new nation, of all immigrants, that would come to, in short order, be the most dominant and powerful nation in history. This was unprecedented.  America stood alone having its foundation from the flow of intelligence out of England, where the early charters of the settlements (colonies, states) professed loyalty to the single middle eastern man who lived almost 2000 years prior, and had the short, 3 year career.

It is interesting to note that innovation, itself, is prized by western civilization, while Islamic nations see the 7th century as the "golden age" and hold no noble thoughts of innovation, outside of pragmatism.  

This does not mean that everyone was Christian, nor even claimed to be,  but that the basic ideology drove the general population, while the nations and continents that did not have this ideology, did not advance, but remained well behind, impoverished, rife with criminal violence, and so on.  The "Protestant Work Ethic" became a driving force of innovation and the age of exploration was fueled not only by the desire for wealth, but under this sole man's marching orders to spread his message to the utter parts of the world.  Some went out to spread the message, while others, under the guise of spreading the message, went for wealth, no matter how gained, including theft and murder. 

In history, killers and despots have used the ideology to justify killing and abuse, but this, too, was in contradiction to the ideology.   Even the rules of engagement in war, how Prisoners of War were to be treated, and how treaties would be conducted,  were influenced by this  ideology.

It is interesting, for example, to listen to UK's comedian Pat Condell, as he decries the illogical destruction of his homeland by criminal  Islamic ideology and feminism's castrative impact.  

Listen to his reasoning on his pointed you tube videos and watch his argument develop:  

He takes Judeo Christian ideology and employee it to argue why Islam is counter productive and when his argument is complete, (and successful) he turns and condemns Judeo Christianity.  He borrows from it, has inherited a culture influenced by it, and speaks its language, while then condemning it.  Again, coming from the position of historical thought, it is fascinating, and another example of a talented performing intellectual narcissist making videos to analyze.  

The Middle Eastern Man's Morals


It can be argued as such:  if there is no god, and jesus was a liar, and all of this simple superstition, history  has never produced a more conducive ideology for prosperity, freedom, health and safety than the ideology that the obscure middle eastern man presented 20 centuries ago.   

As an atheist, who would you rather live next door to?

One who 'knows' that the only possible consequence from breaking into your house is the possibility of getting caught by police or...

The one who not only fears the same consequence of being caught by police, but has a 'superstitious' belief that in doing so, he will be punished when he dies?  

In Statement Analysis in hiring, we have a visible barrier to theft and exploitation:  video cameras, eye witnesses, forensic computer footprints, and so on.  

It is not enough.

We see those who also have the invisible barriers, such as the tender conscience, taught in childhood, that theft and exploitation are morally wrong, and have a negative internal consequence upon the employee.  

The results for businesses are amazing; not just less theft, but less unemployment, less fraudulent claims, and an increase in morale, which leads to an increase in sales.  

While young and strong, it is easy to dismiss anything about the afterlife; but not so easy when one gets older, as the philosophers lament and envy those of faith, while in advanced years, getting older, slower, with more limitations, aches, pains and ability to enjoy life; looking forward to...nothing.  This is why I wrote earlier, that the question of "why?" in life is asked by all thinking human beings.  

It is fair to say that Jesus Christ was either Who He said He was, or he is history's greatest liar and perpetrator of fraud.  Please presuppose in the analysis that the victim's husband asserts the former.  

This is an overview of the ideology publicly espoused and used in business by the victim's husband.  I wish for readers, again, to separate themselves from belief or faith and consider the business side:

The husband of murder victim, Amanda Blackburn, works full time to sell the ideology of the middle eastern man, for a living.  Like most men, he works, and wants to be successful in what he does.  This is a 'neutral' for analysis.  In analyzing employment applications, we look for employment motive:  earning money, building a resume, gaining experience, and so on, are all appropriate motives for seeking a job.  In the case of Blackburn, he has spoken extensively about this business aspect:

He has allowed us to know, in analysis, what his priority is.  This will be revisited in the actual analysis of the statements, but it is easy to assert now, to anyone who has either listened to him or read his statements, his priority is numerical success in his business.  It was in his most immediate statement made to his "fans" (his word) when Amanda was murdered, and it was not only analyzed as a priority due to order, but repetition and context.  It is an overwhelming priority, so much so, that it, alone, caught the attention of the public with such questions as, "How could he be talking about publicity for his church while his wife's killers are on the loose?" and "Why does he care about these things while his baby is murdered and...?"  and so on.  

The defense is to use the middle eastern man's ideology, is it not?  Have we not heard something along these lines?  "He is so concerned for the souls of others that he concentrates..."?  

Have we not heard dismissal where some say he is so 'delusional and lost in religion that you cannot take his words seriously'?

These are two attempts to discredit the analysis of the murder case; one from within, and the other from without, the ideology itself.  

Deception Within the Ideology

What about those who "change the rules"?

There have been murderous rulers who have committed atrocities in the name of the ideology but in doing so, they were deceptive.  They were not commanded in the ideology to steal and if you get beyond the propaganda of wars, you will find at all the non Islamic wars there was a consistency beneath motive:

Greed.

Money, land, power...Greed.

"I will have my tariffs!" from Lincoln, led to 600,000 dead.  Eventually, the argument from tariffs went to "save the union" and eventually slavery.  Lincoln's racist statements are all but forgotten in history books today, and even the Emancipation Proclamation is edited for not fitting the narrative today.  


 England had freed its slaves without the need for bloodshed.  

"We need living space!"  Hitler, though he began with a false flag bearing in Poland and had to "intervene" to "save" the innocents.  If you were a citizen of Germany in 1939, you read daily accounts that made your blood boil with anger:  innocent German citizens being attacked by criminal elements within Polish society, manipulated by Polish aristocracy, while Jews were profiting from the blood shed.  You believed main stream media and you wanted your government to intervene.  You knew nothing of Hitler's plans of theft and death.  (Another good reason to study deception detection)

Generally, but not always, the invader or aggressor, was the guilty party, and generally, too, was the quest for wealth, including power that generates wealth, or land that generates wealth.  Religion becomes the pre text and cover for greed. 

This is to go directly against all those unique "thou shalt nots" in Judeo Christian ideology.  If you live in relative peace thinking that while you are at work that your neighbors will not enter your home and steal, it is because an ideology of "thou shalt nots" became part of a culture and even if only superstition, you have benefited from it. 

If you argue that this cultural or ideological influence is in wane, you are not going to meet many who will disagree.  It is said that "Democracy only works" with people of good will.  Your neighbor may not break into your house and steal, but he might hack your computer and steal, or file a false lawsuit against you as the influence is in retreat.  Prisons filled, and once where the Protestant Work Ethic meant personal, internal responsibility, socialism and government dependency re-defines what "compassion" is, for the purpose of voting blocks.  

Judaism gave the origin of marriage, plainly, by painting a portrait of nature, with first plant life, bearing "seed after its kind", so that an orange tree reproduced an orange tree, and then on to animals, so that a horse would "bring forth after its kind", a 'baby' horse.  Then it was time for man in the creation account of this ideology, with "woman" taken from the man, with the pronunciation of what marriage is.  "Therefore a man shall leave his family and cling to his wife and they shall be one..."



Marital laws have, in following this, not only affirmed this definition but added limits (which came from the same ideology) including any union that would harm the offspring, such as siblings.  

The very word "husband" only works as it relates to one created to react to the design of the male.  In statement analysis, it is a dependent word, indicating that while used, another thought is in play.  One can "husband" only a female, with scientific reciprocal physiology; physically and emotionally, in the historical and creative definition of "marriage."  

We, today, have re-defined the word "marriage" as a cultural shift.  It puts things into perspective:

The middle eastern man's ideology affirms the definition of marriage as "one man and one woman" exclusively.  If you make public claim to represent this man's ideology (which presupposes Divine Authorship) yet are willing to publicly oppose his ideology, for the purpose of profit,  it is a form of 'deception', which is commonly called "hypocrisy", but has powerful emotional elements within it regarding truth and exploitation.  

Consider this:  someone who claims to be a "minister" (professional) of this ideology cannot say "it is divine" and then affirm a new definition of marriage, and be truthful.  If it was divine, it was perfect, is perfect, and cannot be altered.  If it was human, it could have been wrong, and the change acceptable.

This, too, begs the question, Why not embrace a different ideology that one is more comfortable with?  Why the need to do violence to this particular historic ideology and demand it yield to personal agenda?  This is a question repeated due to its importance.  What kind of personality is willing to claim divinity and then claim authority over the divine ideology?  This is not one who does not understand, or is in error to the ideology.  It must be deliberate in order to be deceptive.  

This is where 'truth seekers' end up; an almost indifferent external view that observes and questions.  The relevancy is critical in the investigation into the murder of Amanda Blackburn.  The re-definition of "marriage" is just a sample of deception by those who claim the ideology has divine inerrant origins.  It is not a disagreement of interpretation; it is to make an entirely different claim on a statement.  

My assertion here, in context, is about a specific psychological form of deception that takes a unique personality type to employ.  

II.  Ideology and Deception

It is fascinating to listen to people who want to 'own' as theirs the ideology of this obscure man from 20 centuries ago, but at their own recipe.  These are those who see the claims, know the claims, but deliberately present deception. This deception is by re-defining language, which is to pass counterfeit currency, linguistically, or by 'amputation', which is to directly contradict the claims of that man's own claims. 

Why?

Why bother?

If they do not agree with the man, why not simply adopt another ideology entirely?  

It seems genuine to say, "Christianity limits sexuality to heterosexuality; therefore, I have no need of it" than to say, 'that's not what it really teaches" or "jesus and the apostles did not have the understanding of genetic sexual attraction as we do today" which assaults his claim to be God and his word being perfection.  

Statement Analysis:  "thou shalt not lie with man as with woman..." as a prohibition that is from Judeo-Christian ideology.  A truthful one can say, "I do not agree" and be done.  A deceptive person has a need to deceive and change the intent of meaning.  This refers to a specific personality type.  

What happens when this deceptive personality type has talent?

What happens when this deceptive and talented personality type has  a single-minded obsession for something?

Most people have respect for honest disagreement. 

 I've had fascinating discussions and interviews with homosexuals who have said, "Of course I am not a Christian.  Christianity  is against my belief in my sexuality."  Yet others have said "I am a Christian.  The Bible didn't really mean that..." and retail the deceptive responses  they have heard from others.  

It is not Statement Analysis of the texts. 

This is why I often state that Statement Analysis has a "freeing" affect; we let the statement speak for itself; what is true is true; what is not true, is not.  It is as if we are outside looking in, with scientific indifference.  

Some have made the latter claim due to ignorance of the ideology.  
Others have made the claim while knowing the ideology.  This brings us closer to what it is we need to find out.  

Honest Debate Versus Willful Destruction 

There are lots of issues that faith debates over, but issues that are debated are done so to learn.  When one takes a plain, "thou shalt not" and say, "no, that is wrong, it should say, thou shalt!" while claiming to hold to the ideology do so as one who deceives.  He may deceive himself, or he may put himself in a public position (such as in a business to sell this ideology) and knowingly state:

1.  The Bible is Divine
2.  The Bible is Wrong
3.  Please come to my business establishment where I share this ideology 
4.  I am superior to Divinity

In other words, they know what ideology A teaches, but instead of simply disagreeing with it, and moving on to ideology B, or C, they demand ideology A bend to their own beliefs or bias. 

This is where the personality must be in view of the one who takes upon himself (or herself) the public bearer of the ideology of the man from the middle east 2000 years ago.  

This is why it is important to highlight topics of disagreement in this pre-analysis study.    

Another example.  The ideology and women 'business owners' of the ideology:

1.  The ideology claims to be divine; therefore inerrant. It cannot be wrong and it cannot be changed by time, culture, or any outside influence.  Truth remains what it is.  
2.  The middle east man behind it chose 12 men to carry his ideology to the world.  They, in turn, kept the leadership restricted to men.  
3.  The ideology forbids woman to be pastors.  
4.  The ideology reported why this prohibition existed.  
5.  The ideology said that the prohibition was not due to culture. 

Therefore, if I am a woman and I want to be a public representative of this ideology, I am faced with some choices. 

I can, of course, be honest and say that I will find a different ideology to cling to.  I disagree with this middle eastern man's ideology, though it has many fine points, because it excludes me.  I will find something else to sell...or

a.  Ignore the ideology as temporary solution until challenged;
b.  Oppose the ideology by various arguments including-the ideology is wrong, which then leads to, the "what if?" problem.  

One cannot claim divinity and error and be truthful.   

This then leads to the genuine question that says, "Why not find a different ideology to follow?"  

Instead, we find people willing to publicly demand the ideology change to fit their own personal bias. This is heightened if the person wishes to publicly 'sell' the ideology as a business.  The business owner wants to make money off of the ideology which he states is of divine origin, yet:  

 'The ideology, which claims to be divine,  will bend to my will.

This takes a very specific personality type.  It is not the personal or private opinion that I address, but one who is making a public declaration against the ideology while making a public declaration to represent the ideology. 

This next part is a bit difficult to explain, but I attempt to do so in order to allow you, regardless of your own position in any of these matters, to enter into the shoes of the subject, who is a public figure, publicly stating to be a true representative of the middle eastern man's ideology.  

This person is deceptive.  It goes beyond what most people understand psychologically:

'This book is the Word of God; It cannot be wrong.  
I know it says, "this", but I still choose "that" personally.  
I do this because, in essence, I am smarter than God."

Any claim to state the Bible is the inerrant Word of God but then changes it to fit one's own bias or agenda, is to show a personality that is not only unafraid of lying, but he (or she) unafraid of lying publicly, and even unafraid of divine retribution.  Take this a quantum leap further and place the person as one who, publicly and professionally (for money) asserts the ideology in his 'business' or church setting.  

Even if you believe it is all fairy tales from thousands of years ago, you should be able to see the inconsistency in those willing to change the message in order to be popular or successful.  Yet, can you see, from their own perspective, that they see themselves as superior to the god they claim to bow to?

For some, it is to claim the Bible to be God's Word, but it is "wrong" in limiting marriage to one man and one woman. 

Truth is not changed by time.  If something is true, it was true yesterday, and it will be true tomorrow.  Consider that a minister studies philosophy, so these are not new assertions to them.  

The ideology instructed him to teach the message.  When someone claims the message to be authentically Divine, it is submitted to.  

For another, it is to claim that the message is divine (note the capitalization change to reflect the internal)  needs to be altered to fit the person's own agenda.  

If the person adheres to the ideology being perfect, that is, 'complete' because it is divine, does not the person set himself up to be above the divine author?

Does this person now place himself as judge over the divinity?

It is easy to ask, 'Why not just embrace a different ideology altogether?  Why not start her own?' because this would be genuine and being genuine, or true to one's own self, is something humans respect.  

I do not speak to those in ignorance, nor those who have honest disagreements one with another:  I want readers to see that there are those who know what it teaches, but are of a personality that demands the ideology change to fit his or her own opinion rather than adopting a different ideology.  

They demand, for example, that 4,000 years of ideology change, instead of simply saying, "I am not a believer in Judaism or Christianity. I believe..."  

These are people who deliberately "lie" about the ideology are revealing a personality type that is very important to get to know:  profiling.

If the ideology says "thou shalt not lie with man as with woman" you can either:

1. Accept it
2.  Linguistic gymnastics
3.  Ignore it
4.  Truthfully, condemn it and adopt a different ideology in a "live and let live" philosophy.  

To be "truthful" would be to say, "Hey, I don't buy this.  Therefore, I am not going to cling to this ideology started by a man from the middle east 2000 years  ago.  Instead, I will find something else more suited to what I like regarding a man having sex with a man."

This is truthful.

You may or may not like it, but it is authentic. 

 If Jesus claimed to be God, and God, by definition, cannot change nor be wrong, why not bail out instead of claiming to believe Jesus is God, but Jesus is also wrong?  

*It takes a very specific element within a personality to place himself or herself above that which they consider divinity.  

The answer is not singular, but I implore readers to consider one particular element.  I recognize the hatred and the antagonism but in context, consider that those who alter the message may do so to personally profit from the ideology.  

Readers come here for truth.  They are, more than in other places, perhaps, open for the truth to be told than the general public.  They want to hear what analysis shows.     

"Hey, I'd like to have 3, maybe even 4 wives.  I see that the precept in Creation says, "nope" to my idea, so I am going to adopt a different ideology so that I can practice polygamy. " 

You may not like this person, but he is, in the least, being truthful.  It is completely different from the person who says "I want multiple wives and the Bible teaches it."  If (and the word "if" is critical) the subject knows the Bible both condemns polygamy while historically reporting it historically, he is deliberately twisting historical recognition to justify his own desire.    

Over the years, I have had gay friends who have been open about this and I respect them for it.  "I'm not interested in assaulting the beliefs of others; it is not for me."  

"Why would anyone join a religion with so many restrictions, anyway?"  This is a good question and an honest question.  It is asked in sincerity.  

It is not, however, the question for this analysis.  It is sometimes helpful to see the shadow before we see the original.  

It is most fascinating to see people who rush to an ideology that condemns them, demanding that the ideology bend to them, rather than they find something else to hold to.  We see this in the news almost daily today, as it has become increasingly popular to hold people in faith in contempt and to call their sacred beliefs 'phobias' and 'immoral hatred' not while walking away from the ideology:  but while walking into the ideology, with demands in hand.  

There is something within the personality that lies in this manner.

If it says "thou shalt not", why not just be honest and start a new religion or ideology?  Why the need to input oneself into something that disagrees?

Since this question has been posed several times for impact, it is now time to ask:

"What kind of personality walks into an ideology demanding it bend to fit one's emotions?"

Now we are moving closer to the object, away from the shadow.  

We must consider it from a professional point of view.  

There are a lot of reasons for this, but it is important to note those who are, publicly, willing to deceive even their own profession, for personal gain.  This is what it comes down to:  altering the message to propagate myself.  

On the obvious level:  It takes a very selfish person to do this, yes, but there is still more. 

It takes a very selfish, and talented person, to do this and do it successfully.  

Over the years, most, though not all, of the "televangelists" have done this very thing.  They have a powerful desire for money, and fame makes money.  Those who hold to the ancient ideology as "faith" or "belief", cringe. 

Why?

Most of what is offered is accurate.  

It is the drive for money, one way or another, that causes them to 'alter' the message even if it means creating an imbalance in the message.  

Let's call these who change or alter the message knowingly to be "pragmatic" for the backdrop of this understanding. 

These are individuals who use this man's ancient ideology for personal gain.   They know that it is easier to get the masses to brace a bumper sticker slogan than complicated truth.  They will say and do pragmatically whatever it takes to gain what they seek.  This is almost always money, and when it appears to be fame or power, remember that these are steps towards wealth.  

In the 1970's, there was an attempt to bring the "hippies" to Christianity.  

What would be presented to them?

Consider the choice faced.

Person A says "I will deliver the same message as always, "Repent and live" and call them to live a life forgiven and now intent on keeping the "thou shalt nots", while "loving thy neighbor" and working hard to provide for self.  As society has gotten more and more wealthy, this message has lost some of its popularity.  

Person B says, "If I deliver the same message, few are going to come.  Therefore, I will just present one particular side of the message and once they are in, then I will tell them the other side.  So for now, I will tell them, "Be forgiven" but I won't tell them those "thou shalt nots" which turn them off. They want to do their own thing.   I will tell them to "love their neighbor" but the word "love" needs a bit of tweaking."

Person C  has been watching the others and he says, 

"I see Person A has 10 people and is impoverished.  I see Person B has 100 people and he is feeding his kids.  I'd sure like to surpass him and get 200 people, so I will further "tweak" the meaning of "loving thy neighbor" and this 'jesus' that John the Baptist said would judge...he's got to go.  The guy who went violent in cleansing out the temple...I will emasculate and instead, he is going to have long hair, because my hippie audience does this, and..."

The message of "repent" gave way to new "prosperity" messages and so humorous songs like The Rolling Stones' "Girl With Far Away Eyes" has a comical, but accurate look at the silly message that says if you send money to the evangelist, you're going to find wealth. The key is it is deliberate.  

This ideology progressed in affluent America and with each wave of "political correctness", many willingly changed the teaching of the man's ideology and did so in a rush of competition. 

When the person knows that what he or she is saying is in contradiction to the ideology but do it anyway, the person is  lying and is doing so for profit margin.  

Remember, lie detection has to do with intent.  Simply repeating what one believes is not to lie, even when the information is incorrect. 

When an English Iman said, "Islam is not consistent with democracy" he was countered by non Muslim English politicians who said, "that's not true."  

The Iman told the truth.  Love him or hate him, he was truthful, in a stark moment where he embarrassed the "multi cultural" politicians but he told the truth.  He actually showed the influence of the UK's culture upon him.  He was 'goaded' into the truth, instead of the cultural 'tacquia' that honors deception.  

Baptist and Presbyterians have disagreements on baptism.  These are genuine disagreements, but what of the personality who says,

"I know baptism, by either means, is in the Bible, but today, people hate the water thing, so I am going to change it and say, "there is no such teaching of baptism today.  This was culturally due to...you know, how people in those days rode on smelly camels and they got camel poop on their, well on their heads if they were short, and in those days, everyone was short, so baptism was just needed to wash off the camel poop.  Uh, check history.  It's all there.  In fact, in the original Greek, there were some words found in ancient philosophers that held to camel poop as sacred and it really caused disease so the church invented this baptism as a way of washing off the poop!"

Bingo.  

The more intellectually clever the deceptive one is, the more he can explain off anything that might hinder his goal of fame and fortune.  Here we come to the personality of pragmatic success, even while claiming the ideology to be of divine, unalterable character.  

In understanding this murder case, you must see how powerful this pragmatism really is, no matter your opinion of Judaism or Christianity.  

Many (not all) murderers feel a need to put their victim on trial, which both condemns the victim but it also justifies the action.  This is crucial in analyzing a statement.  It is found to slip into statements where accidental death is claimed.

"The baby wouldn't finish her dinner."  

Now, she is dead, claimed as an accidental death. 

 In the Blackburn case, we had one who:

has embarrassed those who want justice for this case, with his change of Christianity, an ideology many  hold sacred. 

People have become obsessed with Amanda Blackburn's murder, which some interest can be explained in the obvious circumstances but there are other elements:

a.  Blackburn's seeking of attention.  This almost always triggers anger. No one likes being 'played the fool' with liars.  Recall how anger brewed at Falcon Lake 'widow' who emerged from Falcon Lake, Texas, sans husband, with an outrageous theft of the modern "Titanic" hollywood version.  She could barely contain her zeal, going from network to network, while the public insisted that she be polygraphed.  She never was and even made it as far as the Governor's front steps.  Attention seekers hold their audience in contempt, even if they are only appearing in an attempt to control information as was the case of Billie Jean Dunn, in the murder of her daughter, Hailey Dunn. 

b.  Blackburn's crass commercializing of her death. 

This is key to understanding, not only who he is, but who we are.  This irritated people and for some, gave them more resolution to learn the truth in this case.  

In doing so, people of positions of justice-mindedness were (and are) enraged that he would take her death and use it for fame and subsequent fortune.  

c.  The circumstances, including:

1.  Complaining about her publicly.  
2.  Telling the public how his business would be better without her
3.  Making distancing and deceptive statements 
4. Circumstantial Evidence including the conclusion of "no one can be this lucky!" from many seasoned investigators.  The 'odds' of all of the factors coming together on the very day he did not lock the door and stayed on the phone, days after waving around a gun...
5. Flamboyancy as an irritant to audience seeking truth. 

6.  Faith

Some are likely obsessed with this case for all of the above, but have an additional emotional component:  anger at one who holds their faith in contempt for the purpose of exploitation.  In this sense, it is rather personal and it is reflected in the length of comments about this murder case.  

Everything he says, does, and even in appearance, is not only flamboyant, but is designed to entertain, entice, convince and bring fame and fortune that numbers bring. 

He is, at the core of his being, one obsessed with success and his chosen area for this end is the ideology of a middle eastern man from more than 20 centuries ago.  

I suggest to you that Christianity, as an ideology, presents the perfect platform for exploitation by Blackburn, and all others like him, who know plainly, that they are presenting only portions of truth, changing other portions, and deliberately presenting to people a specific personal version of truth, pragmatically designed, to make him famous and wealthy. 

This is all "justified" by the religious veneer.  

Years ago there was a 'televangelist' who said 'God' told him people's woes and he would wow the crowd by revealing,

"Your aunt Polly is sick with cancer.  She will be healed!" to the amazement of the subject and audience. 

Later, it was found that he had a small blue-tooth pre-blue tooth like device in his ear and was exposed as a fraud.  

He lost it all.

How gullible and vulnerable are Americans?  He made it all the way back to TV.  This does not affirm nor deny the ideology, but it does affirm the thief.  

It is this justification that I hope readers will bear with this lengthy article and give consideration to, as I move from backdrop of ideology, to analysis. 

My assertion is that these exploiters know and deliberately alter the message, present an imbalanced message, and withhold truth for the pragmatic purpose of personal gain, no matter what they feel needs to be changed.  For some, it is mild changes, while for others, it is wholesale changes, but the common denominator is deception; that is, the willful knowing that what he (or she) is doing is contrary to the middle eastern man's ideology that is claimed to be perfection.  

Next, consider the personality type who knows, lies, and goes public with it.  Again, this is not one who is in error, but sincere; it is one who knows precisely what he is doing and does it, anyway. 

How much talent does this deceiver have?

What of his presentation's design?

What does his language reveal as his priority?  

For those who hold to this ideology in sincerity, differences are presupposed and accepted among people of good will; while recognizing how many are motivated by personal gain.  

It is within the personality of one bold enough to:

1.  Learn the Ideology
2.  Deliberately twist, pervert, change,  imbalance, manipulate the ideology for personal gain. 
3.  Have the nerve to go 'public' on a large scale, including fearlessness in the face of scrutiny
4.  Remove any hinderance to this 'mission' for success. 
5.  Resolve:  under the public scrutiny, the personality digs his heels in, no different than the liar who backs up his lie with yet another lie, rather than own the truth and admit fault.  

I warn employers incessantly that liars will always put themselves before the material needs of their companies, as well as their employees and customers.  Liars destroy.  It is what they do.  If one is a habitual liar, one has a trail of broken lives, broken promises, and losses for as long as they have practiced their deception.  

From "King" to "weepie, effeminate affirming therapist" 

When the 70's turned into the 80's and 90's, there was a disappearance of "Christ the King" and His rule over the nations, demanding repentance and obedience from them as His subjects, as He claimed the crown rights  both for Himself, and from the Old Testament scriptures, while there was an appearance of a new 'jesus', who is not king, but weak, weeping, beggarly, just asking people to 'accept' him, and have some form of "personal relationship", as if they were having coffee together while seated in a sunny porch on a lazy day. This new 'jesus' existed to 'meet your needs'...what needs?  "All" your needs.  It is easy to do this by destroying context, and history.  Blackburn is not the first, and he won't be the last to use pragmatism to promote his business venture.  He is, however, very talented in what he does.  

It takes a certain personality to first know the truth, and then to pervert it to fit a particular aim, but it takes someone with a deeper commitment to self to take the ideology, bear it in contempt, and then go "public" with it for personal gain. 

Blackburn Videos 

This 'personal relationship' is presented in a sexualized manner, including tight pants, pop haircuts, and an overall "front and center" narcissism of a showman. It includes the open indictment of the victim, Amanda, to 'make a point' which statement analysis shows: 

the need to persuade his audience that he has a powerful heterosexual drive for sex.  

Audience Expectation 

They produce studies and expensive workshops on how to grow their "business", with "example models" and "the latest techniques" on how to "grow your church", with the chief end being numerical success.  

They are taught in seminars how to use the "bumper sticker" education so popular in the United States today where catch phrases supplant the hard work of education.  This, too, is not new or unique to "the best is yet to come" we heard after the murder.  

Remember the bracelets, "WWJD"?  This stood for "what would Jesus do?" for teens who were at R rated movies.  The inherent issue of this bracelet is that it is speculative and it encourages one not to study and learn.  Instead of taking the time (and effort) to learn what Jesus did, and what He taught, and what His disciples taught, one could simply speculate.  For some, "jesus" would steal, assault and even murder. This appeals to the lazy minded audience who craves entertainment over instruction.

 Recall the sad account from the attorney who's client was being sentenced for armed burglary and assault listening to the client's mother and aunts "claiming in jesus' name!" that the guilty violent young man would "have the victory", which meant:  he would get away with his crime.  The attorney lamented that there was no prayer for the young woman he beat up, nor for victims in general.  For them, this 'jesus' existed to bypass justice and help criminals remain as criminals and not learn from mistakes.  

Without getting into what specifics Blackburn twists to further his cause, one can simply choose any video of his and instead of studying it, one can simply listen for a few minutes.  There will be no argument.  Better still?  Look at several videos, just a few seconds of each, to get an even wider portrait.  If you can listen, go to those with Amanda, or about marriage and note how often he talks about himself and his sexuality.  How many times must he tell you that he is heterosexual before you ask, "Why the need to persuade?"  

His presentation of an ideology, precious and sacred to some, is an affront.  

This bothers people, all by itself, but to have video where he insults his victim, complains about his victim, and finally, waves a gun around, compounds with the inherent insult of public lies, to cause a powerful reaction within people; especially people who love the very words he twists or uses for exploitation.   The murder case, itself, fascinates, but to give an in-depth analysis means to understand the ideology, and the 'violence' done deliberately to the ideology, as it reveals the personality. 

Liars are destructive.  This means that they destroy. It is what they do.  "When push comes to shove..." always happens in life:  push will come to shove and when it does, expect the liar to fulfill his pattern in life:  he will protect himself with lies, even if it destroys others.  He will also lie so that it destroys others.  Get him some success and he will lie some more, but get him a lot more success in his ambitions and watch his ambitions grow to levels of ruthlessness.  

Ruthlessness?  Talk to those who have dared to disagree with Blackburn's mentor, the one who described Blackburn as sexy at Amanda's funeral.  

Honest people lie

When they lie, they hurt, they repair the damage but most impressively, they learn from their mistakes.  When they hear a sermon, for example, about theft, they do not say, "I am glad I am not a thief", instead, they look within and say, "I told the ticket puncher that my daughter was 12 when she was 13.  I stole" and seek to amend this, while learning from it.  The 'shaming' of thievery, therefore, is something they found inspiring and helpful because they seem themselves as personally responsible and with the ability to change.  Those that seek to blame others, blame society, blame external forces, cannot make such amendments.  

These hear Blackburn's messages, or worse, watch his carefully choreographed video appearances, and they react with such words as "nauseating", "infuriating" and it fills them with a desire to see justice for Amanda, even though there are thousands of victims of murder that have not received justice.  

They are particularly upset because he has deliberately invaded an ideology they hold sacred, for his own gain and state that the message he gives uses similar language from their ideology, but is very different.  

My assertion is this:

The spouse of Amanda Blackburn has spoken a great deal.  What he has spoken about the murder indicates deception.  Some of the deception appears to be, in context, about sexuality.  When this is coupled with his videotapes messages about his own sexuality, with its specific choreography and costumes, it further asserts deception about his much affirmed heterosexuality.  

But that is not all.  

He is one who is not afraid to deliberately tailor the ideology precious to many to fit his own agenda, nor is he afraid to talk about his agenda; he does it boldly.  His wife had not yet been buried and he was already publicly celebrating an early success in his agenda of numerical success.    

He is more honest and upfront about his "numbers" agenda than he is about his sexuality, and about what happened to Amanda, even though he talked a great deal about his own sexuality, on video.  

To understand his language, and how he puts everything in the context of this ideology, you must first understand the ideology and then understand the personality type that is dishonest enough to alter the ideology to fit popularity and success.  Then, you must see and estimate the measure of his intellect, along with his boldness in the face of scrutiny.  These are all elements of personality emerging.  

Take that another step up and see the boldness of one who not only isn't afraid of television and exposure, but seeks it.  

Take that yet further:  he can read analysis and still be unafraid to attempt to explain away that which is consistent with both guilt and deception.

Let's say that you were in a very unhappy marriage, even to the point where you considered lucky, blessed or fortunate to be freed, even in horrible circumstances, from this marriage. 

Would you use such distancing language?

I affirm that you would not.  In fact, you would feel guilt over having wanting a divorce.  This is called "survivor's guilt" by some in psychology.  "Why Amanda?"  

If your wife, even if you wanted with all your heart and even your sexuality, wanted out of this marriage, was brutally murdered and the killers running free, 

would you express no concern for your son, or your own life?

This article is written, in part, for those who foolishly dismiss human nature and say, "Davey was fearless because he trusted God" and "Davey did not mourn because he knew he would be with her again", and finally, "Davey's use of "we" is because he sees himself and Jesus as one."

He does not. 

I assert that he sees himself as superior to Christ.  I assert that he sees himself superior to the Apostles and to the message they carried.  I assert that he feels the need to 'coach', and 'guide' and give a 'new presentation' to the ideology that he claims and believes to be divine and perfect. 

He sets himself up above perfection.  

This is a form of narcissism that is combined with a well above average intellect and a talent for deception, manipulation and persuasion.  This is wrapped up within a desperation for relevancy that drives him to success.  When he said that he would have been content with x number of congregants, this statement was, in the context of Christianity's ideology, an unnecessary statement.  It is why we have "Negation" in Statement Analysis, and why that which is in the negative is elevated in importance of that which is in the positive.  

He portrayed this number in the context of 'humbly accepting less', which is distinctly negative, and he did so in the wake of his wife's murder.  


The more one speaks, the more we know. 

If he knew his own ideology he would know that "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."

So from this abundance, I can simply count words. 

How many times did he use Amanda's name?

I can do the same thing at the Amanda memorial service.  

What did his mentor talk about?

The resurrection from the dead, as the ideology teaches, based upon the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Question:  How many times did you hear the word "resurrection" used from one who is ordained as a minster of this ideology?  If you are familiar with the ideology, the resurrection from the dead is "front and center" not only ideologically, but at every funeral and memorial service where the subject represents the ideology.  

How many words did he dedicate to tell us about the victim's husband's physical appearance?

He told us that something "wasn't right" about Blackburn and that the "fix" or "repair" would be a woman; Amanda.  

My assertion is that this ideology, from an Israeli man of obscurity, more than 20 centuries ago, is used for personal gain; not as so much a primary motive, but also from a pragmatic viewpoint:  to change whatever portion of the ideology that might hinder the goal. 

Where the ideology teaches that there is joy in Heaven over one sinner repenting, we saw and heard the strong introduction of the pronoun "I" from Blackburn, berating his followers so that they would not celebrate any turning from sin to Christ, but because they failed to reach his expectation of numbers; a mandate he set, himself.  

He is unafraid to challenge and change anything in order to accomplish his goal. 

He told us that Amanda and her pregnancy hindered him from his goals just a few short years ago and from there, he went on to complain about his wife not fulfilling his heterosexual sex drive. How obsessed did he present himself?

He claimed that he could not "concentrate" on a dinner date with Amanda, lest he had sexual intercourse first.  

This he gave to an audience of young people, including females, who could watch him strut back and forth, allowing their imaginations get ahead of them:  perhaps they could satisfy him since she can't.  Couple this with his complaints about her and you get the picture:

Focus upon him.  Focus upon his sexuality.  Him:  good.  Amanda: bad. 

We listen very carefully for one to justify his own actions.  See the short article on this where murderers sometimes play the role of prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, of their victims, verbally. 

Step back from this and place it all within the contextual language of the ideology of Judeo Christianity.  Christianity actually gives him justification of his complaints. 

What did he complain about her?

Was it about her ears?  Her family?  Her money?

Think of how he took complaints and indictments against her back to his twisted view of the ideology.  

If one can, whether or not belief in Christianity is held, see the ideology, his alterations of the ideology and his use of it in his narrative, you can begin to understand the language and the analysis.  

It is convenient, in hindsight, to say "we" is "me and jesus" yet Pronouns are intuitive and are used...

after making such a claim.  When he returned, 6 months from the murder, the same pronoun pattern appeared, including distancing language and the dropped pronoun. 

This is a talented, well above average intellect, and showman who has placed himself, naked, in the location of needing to be washed, with Divinity, Himself, having taken "instructions" from the Creator, to go out and receive his fame. 

He is not delusional.  "Crazy Davey", as his mentor called him, does have something "wrong" and that is "very wrong" with him, and it is something that his mentor said would be fixed by a "woman." He knows what he is saying, and he is consistent in both his priority and in his guilty use of pronouns. 

This message, given 'off the cuff', that is, from the Free Editing Process, was a brilliant form of manipulation that included 'preparing the soil' for the message, taking authority over his father in law, his father-in-law's work, the entire congregation, and then to take his wife's murder to boldly give himself a status that demands either submission with all reverence, or... scorn.  

Whether you or I believe him, his message, or in Judaism or Christianity, is not relevant here. 

It is what he believes. 

It is within his assertion.  

Those more familiar with the ideology can have a better understanding and insight into the spouse of murder victim, Amanda Blackburn, when he speaks.  

It comes down to this:  

Is he true to the ideology?

or, 

Does he affirm the ideology to be perfectly divine, only to set himself up, slightly above it, for the purpose of achieving his personal agenda of success?

How far will he go while driven for success.  

He told us.

Amanda died so the church would live.  

Consider this, aside from blasphemy.  

Consider that this was the claim of Jesus Christ.  Years later, Paul pointed to science. 

A tiny seed must be given a burial and from this burial in the ground new life would come, highlighting that humans, too, with all life, experience life from death, in the resurrection.  The little tomato seed is buried in the dirt as to 'die' symbolically, with 4 months later, a 5 or 6' plant yields much fruit.  

Amanda died for the church, he claimed.  

She was not dead but a few days and he already was counting the 'tomato' production, to the point of giving an actual number of people who tuned in to the memorial via the internet. 

Do you see what he is doing?

This is a form of justification of her death.  It uses specific language from an ideology of which he sets himself up as "over" it, or superior to it; in need of his theatrics, as well as his picking and choosing which to emphasize and which to withhold.  

Distinctly within this narcissistic like personality trait is a belief that he is superior to the god he claims to represent.  He takes the ideology for business success reasons, and alters it to fit his compulsion and drive for the fame and fortune of numerical success. 

Whether this is done in theatrics of presentation, or by imbalance, it is clear that the analysis of his priority is correct.  When facing the greatest tragedy a man can face:  losing his own "person"; that is, one half of the "full person" that Creationism teaches, his response was to happily report the numbers coming in.  "Jesus" is just a buzzword to cover this insatiable drive for fame.  "Jesus" bears no resemblance, linguistically, to the middle eastern historical figure.  

There are those who alter the ideology to fit their agenda, revealing an element of narcissistic thinking within themselves, demanding that the ideology be accepted as Divine, while demanding it bend to their will.  This, alone, helps us understand their motive.  

Yet when the need to assert both elements couples with the single minded purpose of drive for fortune as well as the talent of public speaking and the flair of theatrics, it reveals a personality that says:

Nothing will stand in my way for greed.  Nothing.  

This is why we saw no grieving but an almost inability to conceal his giddiness at the free publicity he received and why he was able to say that the murder victim died for this success.  

Fear of the unknown killers?
Fear that they would return to silence him and kill his son?
Bereft of his "better half"?  

No, she was the albatross slowing him down, along with a pregnancy, from his very publicly stated goals.  The memorial was, in deed, celebratory, with the reason for celebration claimed to be a resurrection that was not even mentioned. 

Our words give us away.  

The reason men die throughout history is from greed.  It is the source of wars and it is the source of murders.  True, they hide behind religion to masquerade their greed, or, as in the case of criminal Islamic ideology, violence is prescribed, but to what end?  To the end of taking what others have, including their land, their homes, their wives and their possessions.

Greed. 

Greed kills.  

It is not that money is the root of all evil; it is the love of money that is not all evil, but its root cause. 

Power is intoxicating and it, as fame, brings great wealth. 

Some wars are necessary to stop the greed of others and are fought defensively or to free those taken away by greed.  The number one cause for the American War for Independence was "duty."  Men believed it was their "duty" from this specific ideology, to provide for their families and that when the king of England did not stop the tyranny of a parliament that held no legal representation of the colonies, the decision to fight was that the oppressive taxes caused men to be incapable of providing for their families.  It was the call of duty to resist greed and the tyranny that facilitates greed. 

Greed drives men to insanity, or in the least, to illogical and even murderous decisions,  

 One can claim that good things come from tragedy and this is precisely the teaching of the ideology, yet, there is no suspension of human nature.  This does not explain away the incessant complaints against his wife, or how she held back the growth of his business.  This does not justify the extreme nature of distancing language.  This does not clarify the childlike guilt found within the plural use of "we", when he was alone.  This does not explain any of it. 

For some, he is hiding his sexuality behind the magnificent heterosexual sex drive his wife could not satisfy and is crassly cashing in on her death of which he was just incredibly lucky.  

For others, the language of guilt far exceeds any guilt felt from commercializing her death.  

My conclusion of his language in this ideological setting is this:

The husband of murder victim Amanda Blackburn has revealed, linguistically, a personality that is so narcissistic in scope, that he demands that his audience accept that the ideology he sells is both divine in nature, and that he thus reveals that he, himself, is a counselor and advisor to divinity, and the purpose of such is to advance his ambitious agenda of greed.  

When he claimed that he was personally spoken to by divinity, standing naked in his shower, he deceived his audience, deliberately, to propagate an authority that leads to numerical success.  When he said he received the news that he would be part of a history making event, he was not simply showing his narcissism, but he was deceptive.  

The coincidental nature of the murder is next examined in light of the statements he has publicly made.  






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HISG said...

MOre from Amber

VEry important regarding returning to the indoor park and attaining video footage

The entire second sentence explains WHY she went back to the indoor park only a few days after "everything that happened.

She also explains WHY the lady volunteered to get the video footage.

Amber's written passage accompanying the video surveillance footage is the MOST sensitive thing I have looked at so far. It is very sensitive and is written for the purpose of explaining WHY things happened...from Amber picking her up instead of the grandma, to why she decided to stay in INdy for a few days to why she went back to the indoor park, to why the lady offered to get her the video footage.

This is very sensitive...this whole passage by Amber and speaks to a broader deception going on.



***I went back to the indoor PARK just a few days after everything had happened. The kids had been stuck inside all week and desperately needed to burn some energy - I didn't know where else to go. Weston was there, and oh how surreal it was playing with him in the exact spot I stood only a few days before with Amanda. It was almost more than I could bare. A sweet lady came over to me and asked if I had been there on Monday with my "friend". She said - "I just couldn't help but watch you two interact. You touched her belly, and it was just such a sweet moment. I knew you had to be the best of friends." She was volunteering that day, and offered to look up video footage from the security cameras from the time we were there on Monday. She said it would be something to help me to ALWAYS REMEMBER her by. She ACTUALLY sent me the video. It is 47 seconds with no sound - but it doesn't matter. It means more to me than I'll ever be able to explain. God knows what He is doing, and He sure does know how to take care of His children. I thank Him everyday for the gift He gave to me this day. It is a memory I can't forget - and one I will always, ALWAYS remember.

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Leslie said...

...But, in an article about Amanda's death on SWU's website, at the bottom of the page, they have links for:

Learn more about degrees from the Division of Religion

Learn more about the media communication degree program

http://www.swu.edu/about-swu/news/whatever-it-takes-swu-graduate-seeks-changed-lives/#.Vz_SjJErLIU

Bobcat, I think we're hunting and exploring similar pages. Surely Southern Wesleyan would check records before posting that Davey was a Religion major?

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Okay, it looks like SWU made a mistake by not including "Religion major" in the graduation list for DB.

Although... the page below does say, "Prospective graduating seniors taking part in the commissioning service were Doug Windsor of Chesnee; and Ken Addis of West Union; Josh Tietje of Old Fort, N.C.; Thomas George of Columbus, Ohio; Lyle Denton of Pisgah Forest, N.C.; Davey Blackburn of Etowah, N.C.; Lincoln Miller of Galax, Va.; Kenneth Wagner of High Point, N.C.; Ben Garrison of Central; Chiquita Bradley of Seneca; and Joe Page of Woodstock,"

http://www.swu.edu/about-swu/news/swu-division-of-religion-commissions-students/#.Vz_ULpErLIU

I thought we'd caught him trying to deceive, again, but, it might have been SWU's error.

HISG said...

Also, WHY was Weston at the indoor park after Amanda had died when Amber decided to go there "because she didn't know where else to go"? Um, wouldn't that mean DAvey was there too? So, Amber attained this video surveillance footage while Davey was there?

Oh boy, this is too overwhelming for me to even think about.

She does not even explain in the passage why Weston just happens to be at the indoor park or who he is with.
She just says "Weston was there."

Anonymous said...

Also, why does Amber casually mention that they (she and Amanda) took a "different route" to the grandparents' house and got lost but it was A-OK because it gave them more time to talk?

Why was a "different route" taken?
Did Amber ask Amanda if they could go a different way so she could stop off somewhere else, like to someone's house? Like maybe Amber said she just wanted to say a quick "hi" to someone.

Why would Amanda, who seems quite practical, take a "different" route to the grandparents with cranky kids in the car who were crying from travelling?

I also think that Amber must have left that indoor park...she does not say how long they were there...but I am guessing that is why she wanted the video surveillance to prove" she was there in case someone saw her somewhere else if, in fact, she did leave the indoor park and then return.

HISG said...

Sorry I forgot to sign my name to post at 1136
HISG

Anonymous said...

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Leslie said...
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Anonymous said...

Does it matter?

Jessica Blans said...

Many Christian colleges have students complete enough religion/bible classes for a minor. Since everyone who graduates has the same minor, it is not listed for each student in graduation announcements or proceedings.
Jessica Blans

Anonymous said...

Me2l is back ^^^^^^^

Leslie said...

Jessica, that would make sense, but some graduates are listed as earning a B.A. in Religion. And, on the Religion academic page for SWU, it states, "You might consider a Religion major if you sense God’s calling on your life for ministry, are seeking to serve in a church or other Christ-centered organization, are an individual who shows Christ-like compassion to others, and are seeking a leadership role in ministry."

http://www.swu.edu/academics/religion/degree-programs/ba-in-religion/

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I know I've deviated from the topic, again. I'll call it a night.

Bobcat said...

Kenneth Wagner earned a degree in Religion in the same listing that Davey Blackburn earned a degree in Communication. Davey went through with the commissioning ceremony for prospective Religion graduates. Why wouldn't SWU list a Religion degree if he had fully earned it?

Unknown said...

@Rosy and Nic,
Thanks for the clarification on the robbery aspect, I mixed up some of the points of interest. It was DB waving the gun around and shooting his "Problems" with "Prayer". Man is that creepy.
I'm still very curious about how LE determined the time of attack since she didn't die right away.

@Nic, (If you're interested I'd really like to hear what you think - I've left a note for you at the bottom)
Excellent points on Amanda's statements. I've gone back and watched several of DB videos, I focused my attention on ones before Amanda was murdered. The very first video he does his primary focus is on numbers. Right off the bat he's treating ideology as a business model.

There is a very similar pastor here in Greensboro - David McGee who runs "The Bridge". Before David anointed himself a pastor of a "Rock Ministry" (he's had no formal training or study in theology), he ran a web development company. I was hired by him as a creative director. I got to know him and he's a major con-man. There's a lot of bad things this man did. Not long after ripping off his client's, employees and not paying any of the bills the web company was shut down. Just a few months later he started his own church.

The similarities between Davey Blackburn and David McGee are striking. I think that is part of the reason I've been so interested in Peter's work on this case. Being directly affected by a personality like this is very hard to wrap your head around. It's even harder to try and warn people you care about, that their pastor is using their love of God against them to exploit them.

DB and DM are both focused on numbers, they place themselves above Christ and they both use the scriptures to suit their personal goals. David McGee rewrote his past, there is no mention of any failures, he's skipped almost a decade of his life, there was no restitution to the dozens of people he stole from either in word or deed. They both have very slick videos, they are both focused on looking "good". They use similar buzzwords and linguistic patterns. They remind of certain "Televangelists". David McGee publicly humiliated several members of his congregation, there are numerous sexual scandals, he has bodyguards, there is not a single cross or any Christian symbols anywhere in the church, on the website or their literature. They have amassed multiple homes, acres of land and millions of dollars.

http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2015/06/13/pastor-david-mcgee-publicly-names-and-excommunicates-four-church-members-via-his-facebook-page/comment-page-1/

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/greensboro-nc/TONSF854UV6P1CUPE/p5

Nic - If you're interested - I'd love for you to take a look and tell me what you think.

Here's his Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/bridgetolife
Church Website - http://www.aboutthebridge.com/

Everything I have seen the website, youtube - it's all about David, David's story, David selling his music and books. I know this guy, I knew him before he started this church and most of what he says is either whitewashed or flat out untrue. He's a failed musician and a Con-man. DB and DM have very similar personalities, priorities and they have left a wake of destruction in their path.

Bobcat said...

Robin,

David McGee may be a con man, as you say, but his wife Nora is alive and well.

Robin said...

HISG said...

Quote from Phil

“I’m proud to be her dad,” said Phil Byars, Amanda Blackburn’s dad. “I’m proud of what she turned into. I’m proud of the woman that she was and the mother that she was. That’s all I have to say about that.”

THAT'S all I have to say about THAT.
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"That's all I have to say about that" is Forrest Gump's favorite way to end a story or segment he is relating about his life. Just thought it was interesting to note as it is so much a part of that character's vernacular and therefore stood out to me as odd/unnatural phrasing coming from Phil Byars.

Lis said...

I'm so sorry to hear that they were using Babywise... that is an awful thing to do to a child.

Reading through their writings, both of them, I am so struck by how young they are, how naive! There is so much magical thinking and so little experience and wisdom. Yet they fully expect to turn the world upside down. Sigh.

Lis said...

Interesting, Robin. These type of guys seem to be coming out of the woodwork these days.

Robin said...

Blogger Leslie said...

Btw, there was a debate on a previous thread about where Amber was when she got the call about Amanda having been attacked and in the hospital. From one of her fb posts, I interpreted her to imply that she was at her grandparents' in IN, but, I stand corrected. According to Phil Byar's sermon on 11/22/15, "Jesus is...Trustworthy," around the 05:00, he speaks of being at his parents' in CA, along with Amber, and other family. They quickly changed their airlines tickets.

http://www.nowsprouting.com/firstbaptistchurch46/media.php?pageID=19

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But, Leslie, that's not possible,is it? Amber's blog entry is all about how Amanda picked her up from the airport instead of her grandmother, how Amanda persuaded her to stay longer than she had planned, and how she will never get over the fact that she did not hug Amanda goodbye on 11/9 b/c Amanda's arms were full and Amber knew they were spending the following day together anyway. So, Amber was not in California on the 10th; she was in Indy.

Bobcat said...

https://www.facebook.com/ashley.barrett.7798/posts/10207002223881078

"As a female, it's sometimes hard to navigate through different seasons of life with people. Single, married, pregnant, motherhood. Sometimes it's hard to relate to others, sometimes our lives just become so different that schedules and priorities just don't seem to align anymore. Sometimes our interests no longer match up, and sometimes, without even seeing it, a gap can begin to grow between us and some of our closest friends.
Amanda and I were really, really great at sharing the married season together. Being so involved in a ministry that was still so small meant that we spent a toooon of time together. We worked out together, we scheduled play dates with our nanny families together, we spent down time together. It felt like we had EVERYTHING in common. I'd say easily 5 out of the 7 days we would have some kind of quality time spent together. We were as close as two friends could be for about 2 years. I can't even tell you how many times I would tell Derek that I had found the perfect friendship.
Soon we both began to feel a new season approaching. We both felt like we were ready to be moms. One weekend, the four of us all went to Chicago for a fun getaway, and Amanda was pretty sure that in the hotel room down the hall, Weston was conceived (don't be weird about it). Earlier, in that same week, Derek and I had decided that it was probably wise that he and I wait. As much as I couldn't wait to be a mom, I knew in my heart that that season wasn't mine just yet.
Fast forward just a few weeks, the four of us met to see the second Hunger Games. As I waited in the lobby for Davey and Amanda to arrive, I got a text on my phone. It was Amanda telling me she was pregnant!!! And then 5 seconds later she walked in the door. She hadn't told anyone (besides maybe the parents) and said she was too nervous to tell anyone in person! I was totally in shock and gave her the biggest hug. I wish I could say that all I felt was excitement for her in that moment. But if I'm being real, I also felt sadness for myself."
continued...

Bobcat said...

Over the next few months, I really felt so much joy and happiness for her. I felt as if she was carrying my nephew! She was absolutely the cutest preggers. She tried so hard to stay healthy and eat lots of veggies. I can remember her asking me how to make sweet potato fries and coconut oil chocolate bars. That was the year that we trained for our second half marathon together.
While my bond with Amanda didn't weaken, I naturally felt myself aligning my schedule and conversations with women who were still in the same season as me. Honestly, while all I wanted to do was talk about and know all of the details of Amanda's pregnancy, there was a little bit of relief in my heart when I could just chat with other girls about our dog-babies and non-mom life. Please hear my heart, it was not jealousy or bitterness that I was feeling at the time, but a relentless longing in my heart that could not yet be fulfilled.
When Weston finally came along, I loved him more than I had ever loved a little boy before. Amanda was so good about involving me in her new life those first few months. Weston was a new addition to our friendship, and just tagged along when we garage-saled or laid out at the pool. While things were certainly different, our love of spending time together didn't change.
I'm not sure when the distance between Amanda and I started to grow. She was so good at keeping her priorities straight, and she was set on making sure her new family of three spent lots of quality time together. In that same season, our church was taking on a lot of new territory. Derek, as the only other Resonate staff member at the time, and I naturally had a lot on our plate. With Amanda's new busy season of motherhood, and our new busy season of ministry, it just simply meant that there wasn't enough free time on our schedules to sync up together.
I begin spending a lot of time with women who were in the same ministry team as me. Amanda begin spending time with new and soon to be moms. We both were walking in exactly the season that God had called us to, but unfortunately it meant that we were walking on different paths most the time.
If I'm being honest again, as time passed, a bitterness did begin to grow in my heart. Really towards anyone who was in the season of life that I so desperately wanted to be in. And instead of facing it and trying to grow through that bitterness, I walked away from it, and towards new friendships. Amanda could feel it. I could feel it. And all of a sudden there was this new tension of "you're my best friend, but life is weird right now, so when we're both moms, we'll be back to normal again." It sounds silly, but I'm sure a lot of you can understand exactly what I'm saying.
Months passed, things just begin to feel worse, and we both decided we needed to sit down and talk about it. We scheduled a lunch together just the two of us. That lunch was October 10th, 2015, just a month before Amanda went to be with Jesus.
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Bobcat said...

"No true friendship is all sunshine and daisies. And really the only friendships that are worth anything are the ones that have to go through difficult things together. We had seen the good and the not so good of one another, and we loved each other all the more for it. During that lunch in October, we laid out every single bit of bitterness, frustration, hurt, and regret that we had somehow picked up along the way. I shared things that I had been feeling for far too long, and she did the same.
In the next month, October 10th-November 10th, I honestly truly mean it when I say our friendship felt better than ever. We laughed and spent time together just like we did in that first 2 years of our friendship. Looking back now and knowing what would transpire, that difficult, but extremely healing lunch was one of the greatest gifts that Jesus has ever given me. I have never been more grateful for a month of time in my life ever before.
I really only share all of this for the woman who is walking through a season of bitterness right now. For the woman who is on the edge of losing a friendship because of the avoidance of facing the confrontation. To steer clear of awkwardness or tension isn't worth that loss. To the woman who rightfully so is feeling like she's been wronged, choose to forgive. To the woman who has done the wrong, swallow your pride, get over yourself, and ask for forgiveness. Life is short. You really will never know what tomorrow holds.
If we had not sat down to that lunch, I would be carrying a guilt today that would be too much to bear. I'm so thankful that Jesus led Amanda and I's friendship to a place of reconciliation and healing. Please, please, please give your friendships the same chance.
To say these last 6 months have changed me would be the biggest understatement ever. I'm no longer one that gives in to bitterness or envy, and I can now see the value of a good friendship like never before. Now that I'm walking in the light of how very important that last month together with Amanda was for me, I really cannot wait to hug the friend who never gave up on me or our friendship.
Sharing this story is not something that I wanted to do, and feels very personal and vulnerable, but I really feel like Jesus was asking me to. I hope that if anything, by calling out my own selfishness, you might find healing through my hurt."

Rosy said...

To Robin at 2.25 A.M - after some confusion, to which I contributed, this was sorted out upthread.

In view of conspiracy theories from one commentator, I would state that I think it's a matter of occasion. Phil Byars in his sermon 11/22/15 talks to his congregation for the first time since Amanda's death. The previous Sunday, 11/15/15, a co-pastor stepped in for him because that day fell less than a week after Amanda was shot and declared dead. The Sunday before that, 11/8/15, another co-pastor preached because Phil and family were on their scheduled vacation in California.

In this, his first Sunday service after Amanda's death, Phil Byars says he's not going to preach, he's going to talk. To see the emotional dimension more clearly, watch the video.

He starts by reading some Bible verses about mortality and he refers to the Body of Christ (i.e. support from church members). He says he's been told not to assume everyone knows what's going on. To catch up anyone who doesn't know, he says:

"So last Tuesday we got a phone call that our daughter Amanda had been attacked in her home. And shot. And killed. At the time, we didn't know the severity of it. We were out in California on a vacation with my Mom and Dad. James and Angela and Hudson were there with us, introducing Hudson to great-Grandma and Grandpa, and Amber was there introducing Rowan to great-Grandma and Grandpa. So we were just having a kind of a family reunion thing going out in California. And when we got the news, we just kinda dumped everything and changed out tickets and took off for home. She died the next day, and I just have to tell you, that they've been some of the darkest days of our lives.

Some of you, that are sitting here today, you know exactly what we're talking about. So many people have come to us during this time and just shared with us how God, the same types of circumstances have entered into their lives and into their homes....."

From what Phil Byars says it may sound as if Amber was there when they got the news and that she flew home with them. Phil evidently means Amber was on this family reunion trip to introduce her newest baby, Rowan, as James and Angela were to introduce their baby Hudson. He skips over the fact that emerges from Amber's own account - that she flew home before them, on Sunday 11/8/15.

Amber talks about flying back on the Sunday in receiving a few seconds of video from Traders Point church of arrival at the indoor park there.

“It was Sunday, November 8, and I was flying home from a week long trip in California. I had traveled for almost 12 hours with Rowen, my 6 month old son, and I could not wait to FINALLY land in Indianapolis. My grandma was planning to pick me up from the airport with my two girls, however, I received a text at 1:30 that day that read - "SISTER! I'm coming to pick you up from the airport tonight! What time do you fly in? I can't wait to see you!!!" I was so excited to get her text! I thought the rest of the day how MUCH it meant to me to have her take the time and leave her family to come see me! I was planning to drive home early Monday morning, but because of the long day of travel (and coaxing from Amanda), I decided to stay in Indy a few days! It was a decision that will forever impact my life - and one I will ALWAYS remember.” More at https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/

Rosy said...

on the Sunday in ^ her post about ^ receiving a few seconds of video from Traders Point church of ^her^ arrival ^ with Amanda ^ at the indoor park there.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

A Czech lawyer put it in better terms than I did about atheism and those who do not hold to Christianity in the West:

The law is an intrinsic and inseparable part of the Islamic ideology. It constitutes the core of the content of Islam while the rules claimed to be religious or ethical are just secondary and marginal components of the ideology. From the viewpoint of Islam, the concept of religion as a private, intimate matter of an individual is absolutely unacceptable. However, that’s exactly the principle on which today’s Christianity and the civilizations derived from it rely. It’s the private relationship of an individual towards God which is more or less mediated by one of the churches. Even those members of our civilization realm who consider themselves atheists, i.e. those who claim not to believe in God, automatically extract their attitudes to life from the Christian traditions while these traditions take the form of either folklore or cultural automatisms which makes them share the generally accepted spirit of Europe and both Americas. Again, it’s necessary to remind ourselves that this view is not only unacceptable for Islam but it is also denounced and explicitly named as a crime. Islam rejects the individual conception of faith in God and in a totalitarian way, it forbids all doubts about itself.

Leslie said...

Thank you, Peter, for the quote, above. That, in addition to your recent articles / blog posts, has helped me to have at least a small understanding of how enmeshed religion is in culture, and how very different our respective cultures are.

Me2l said...

Yes, Peter, the truth about ideology needs to be studied and understood. Sometimes it's difficult to reach that understanding because of precisely that....ideology and its pervasive life influence.

On a smaller scale than, say, Islam ideology compared to Christian ideology, it should be heavily considered within Christianity, itself, in the context of its various organizations in the quest to know God. Religions.

Our particular brand of "religion" dictates our thinking and analyzation here, it seems clear. As you, Peter, have so expertly pointed out, to understand Davey's words, it's vital to have an understanding of his ideology; not only his, but the many who wear its cloak. And many mainstream, traditional Christian denominations are similar in varying degrees. That ideology is why some here are seeing a conspiracy where DB and Amanda's entire family are complicit in her murder.

Because of the damning SA of DB's words, all comments in this blog begin with and are accepted on the premise of Davey's guilt as Amanda's murderer. It appears to be a given here.

As despicable as Davey seems to be, Ideology may refute his presumed guilt and explain his appearance of a lack of innocence.

Leslie said...

On the Women Must Submit To Their Husbands, whether they're leading well, or not topic-
A quiverfull blog with a November article entitled, "Deadly Submission." The author (whose update assumes she was wrong, per the arrests of suspects) quotes and links to one of Peter's SA posts on the Blackburn case:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2015/11/deadly-submission-why-guys-like-biblical-gender-roles-matter-the-damage-they-cause/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=nolongerquivering&ref_post=deadly-submission-why-guys-like-biblical-gender-roles-matter-the-damage-they-cause

This blog post also provides a link to the Biblical Gender Roles / BGR ultra-conservative fundamental Christian extremist (and controversial) blog:

https://biblicalgenderroles.com/

(This might have been posted previously.)





Nic said...
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Nic said...

Is Davey Blackburn, husband of murder victim, Amanda Blackburn, true to the ideology he sells, or is he one who knowingly and purposefully does 'violence' to the ideology to pursue his own personal goals and agenda?
________________


“Davey, do you think Amanda would have still said ‘yes’ to Jesus about moving to Indianapolis if she knew she was going to lose her life four years into it?

I’m not sure how many people would immediately jump at the chance to die for Jesus. How many people does He even ask to do that? Certainly not many! He normally just asks us to LIVE for Him. But die? So it stumped me for a moment.

I thought about the journal entry she wrote after our last Sunday service at NewSpring
Job 42:12
So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. He had also seven sons and three daughters.

________________

Here I note leakage. His counselor asked about moving “to", as in if they had stayed in their hometown, she may still be alive. DB responded with dying “for” Jesus as if it didn’t matter where she lived, she would have given her life for Him.

Then he “ruminates” and reflects on Job 42:12, wherein Job’s second half of his life is “richer” than the first. This rumination is about consequence. Job 42:12 is about the results of hard work. Amanda journals Job 42:12 in the same vein. Hard, purposeful work will grow their church/business and bring them success ($). However, DB referencing the verse in conjunction to Amanda “dying for” Jesus, in my opinion, speaks to the intended consequence: a windfall.

Also DB speaks about Jesus, like he is living in the here and now, i..e,, “how many people does (present tense) he even ask to do that?” “normally just asks (present tense)” to live for him.

Jesus is dead. So who does he say asked Amanda to die for Jesus?


jmo

Me2l said...

Nic:

"Jesus is dead. So who does he say asked Amanda to die for Jesus?"


Now, gets us an example.

According to these people's understanding and ideology, Jesus is very much alive.

(Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said.)

Me2l said...

*please correct to, "now, here is an example."

Nic said...

Peter said:
It is fair to say that Jesus Christ was either Who He said He was, or he is history's greatest liar and perpetrator of fraud. Please presuppose in the analysis that the victim's husband asserts the former.

This is an overview of the ideology publicly espoused and used in business by the victim's husband.



He references polytheistic society (many gods) versus monotheism (one), which in my opinion leaves room for more than one “leader”/God/Christ. In other words “imagined” or “fabrications” of a supreme entity that is worshiped.

I think he thinks himself as Nero-like and he wants the kind of bold faith and courage from his followers that Amanda had for Jesus. That's his aim (along with earning oodles of money on the back of Amanda.) Included in the polytheistic society, we can now count Amanda as The One who leads the way in surrender: “Surrender to a greater plan. (Made by whom?) Surrender to a greater story. (Written by whom?) Surrender to a greater God than anything she could have ever imagined or fabricated. (Imagined and fabricated by whom?) I think what he is uses in the business of growing his church is bible “stories” and Amanda has become an a new testament to the commonly known and accepted Bible he purports to espouse. He now sermons from The Book of Amanda, within which it cites versus from The Bible which “his” followers are familiar and accept as gospel.


jmo

Nic said...

Me2l said...
Nic:

"Jesus is dead. So who does he say asked Amanda to die for Jesus?"

Now, gets us an example.

According to these people's understanding and ideology, Jesus is very much alive.

(Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said.)


Do you mean, people's understanding and ideology is that Jesus is very much alive "in us"? Spiritually?

DB writes about Jesus, the live, 3-D person, "asking" Amanda to die for him. It's not the same thing.

Leslie said...

Me21, I agree-
Christians believe Jesus rose from the dead, is very much alive (although not physically on earth in human form) and can guide us, etc.

Nic, that blog post of DB's has always bothered me (well, pretty much all of them do). You're right that he didn't answer the counselor's question. And, it's doubtful that it "stumped" Davey for a moment.

Although Amanda put God and her faith first, she never said Jesus asked her to die (be brutally murdered, including three bullet wounds, including execution style, and possibly sexually assaulted) for Him. Hogwash. If she had been murdered evangelizing door-to-door in a ghetto, perhaps the jump could be made to her having died while living out her faith. But Davey absolutely twisted details and added his deceitful details, such as this one, which is outright blasphemy.

Perhaps Davey purposely sacrificed Amanda's life so that his ministry (fame and fortune) could be catapulted, similar to Lusko's, but, nothing about Amanda's murder gives rational people the idea that she gave up her life, was willingly murdered, to save the church, or promote Davey's greedy goals. Nothing. It's such a bizarre and transparent ploy and it surprises me that his counselor didn't point that out (of course, we only have DB's version).

And, Nic, YES to what you said:

"Then he “ruminates” and reflects on Job 42:12, wherein Job’s second half of his life is “richer” than the first. This rumination is about consequence. Job 42:12 is about the results of hard work. Amanda journals Job 42:12 in the same vein. Hard, purposeful work will grow their church/business and bring them success ($). However, DB referencing the verse in conjunction to Amanda “dying for” Jesus, in my opinion, speaks to the intended consequence: a windfall. "




Leslie said...

Nic said...

"I think what he is uses in the business of growing his church is bible “stories” and Amanda has become an a new testament to the commonly known and accepted Bible he purports to espouse. He now sermons from The Book of Amanda, within which it cites versus from The Bible which “his” followers are familiar and accept as gospel."

Absolutelyand worded well!

Bobcat said...

Me2l:

"As despicable as Davey seems to be, Ideology may refute his presumed guilt and explain his appearance of a lack of innocence."

----------------------

Peter, in this article:

I have heard two dismissals of Blackburn's words, both using the ideology:

1. He did not grieve his losses and concentrated on numbers because he loves lost souls so much.

This was to defend his bizarre language using the ideology.

the second is equally wrong:

2. His language was due to his ideology. It is not that he is showing guilt, or even a need to be found among others in a plurality to assuage guilt, it is just that he sees himself and his 'god' in such close proximity that it went into the intuition of pronouns.

Both of these claims dismiss the analysis due to the ideology that Blackburn affirms.

Both of these claims are wrong as I will exhibit in this lengthy article about ideology.


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Me2l,

Please elaborate why you assert Peter "may" be wrong, and DB only "seems" to be despicable.

Nic said...

Peter said:
This is an overview of the ideology publicly espoused and used in business by the victim's husband. I wish for readers, again, to separate themselves from belief or faith and consider the business side:

The husband of murder victim, Amanda Blackburn, works full time to sell the ideology of the middle eastern man, for a living



I agree with this. The crux of DB’s success hinged on Amanda foregoing all her rights and independence and if she did this, then other women would follow her example. However, even though Amanda was a good daughter with a strong faith, she was a modern woman heavily influenced by the western culture she grew up in. She might have been sheltered, but that shelter did not deny her knowledge of or her access to the rights and liberties as stated under the US Bill of Rights. For her to be lead, she had to forego everything her western culture granted her upon her birth. Essentially, DB demanded that she forego everything she was: an intelligent, knowledgeable, bold, strong, independent of thought woman, and simply follow her husband’s lead without question without revocation. But she would not and did not. "Amanda chose Jesus over anything else. Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.”

DB says that Amanda’s choice put her safety in jeopardy. How does he know this to be true? The home invasion is classified as “random”.

rjb said...

To bring Amber into this and cast suspicion on her/speculate about her involvement is cruel, crass, and clutching at straws.

If my sister were to die unexpectedly, I would replay every moment of our last interaction over and over in my mind. My cousin, who was only three days older than me, died from an undiagnosed brain anuresym last May,and ever since then I have made it a point to end every conversation with both immediate and extended family with, "I love you." If I didn't say it to my sister the last time I saw her, I would be overcome with survivor's guilt and regret, looking for reasons why I neglected to tell her that I love her.

There is nothing peculiar about Amber taking Weston back to the indoor play park. The weather would have been too cold to take the kids outside, it sounds like Amber wasn't very familiar with Indianapolis, and she already knew that it was a place that the children enjoyed. There is no reason (from what I've seen) to assume that DB came to the play park with them. It was probably a good break for Weston to get away from the grief and emotional tension surrounding his mother's death, and it was probably a nice break for DB to catch up on his social media, design new T-shirts capitalizing on Amanda's murder, or work on his next sermon.

When the employee at the play park told Amber about the video surveillance that showed the sisters there, I find nothing suspicious in Amber wanting a copy of that video. How often, when we lose someone close to us, do we spend time poring over old photos, videos, even saving voice mails or leaving the outgoing answering machine message the same in order to preserve to gone loved one's voice?

Taking a more circuitous, unfamiliar route to the grandparents' house doesn't mean that there was some nefarious purpose behind it. Maybe Amanda had always wondered where a particular street went and decided to try it as a sort of mini-advebture. Maybe she was enjoying her time with Amber and wanted to extend it by stretching the car ride out longer. Maybe they were so engrossed in their conversation that Amanda missed a turn and they had to take a different route because of that.

All of these far reaching conspiracy theories cause me to recall what Benjamin Franklin said: "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Particularly if the secret-keepers are the product of a thorough Judeo Christian upbringing and lifestyle with an emphasis on truthfulness, doing unto others, and having an ultimate responsibly to answer for one's actions to God. Either Amanda's was surrounded by a (hugely) statistically improbable number of sociopaths or the majority of the theories being bandied about here are nothing more than armchair-detective nonsense.

This isn't an episode of Murder, She Wrote, where speculation is a fun little mental exercise that harms no one and the truth is revealed by the end of the hour. Real people's characters and reputations are being toyed with here, and the discipline of SA is being misused as an excuse to gossip and bask in sensational "what if"s about real people who are still hurting over the death of their daughter/sister/friend. The quest for "justice for Amanda" has become incidental.

Me2l said...

"Nic:

"Jesus is dead. So who does he say asked Amanda to die for Jesus?"

Now, gets us an example.

According to these people's understanding and ideology, Jesus is very much alive.

(Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said.)

Do you mean, people's understanding and ideology is that Jesus is very much alive "in us"? Spiritually?

DB writes about Jesus, the live, 3-D person, "asking" Amanda to die for him. It's not the same thing."


According to Scripture, Jesus was alive in a physical body after his death. In several bible passages, it is recounted that many people saw and even touched him.

Now, whether or not you or I believe it is applicable to current times is not relevant. I do know that some churches believe it is, and it would appear DB and his group and related groups are part of that.

That Jesus would appear physically and actually talk to Amanda is perfectly within the realm of their ideology, and as Peter emphasized, in order to have a proper shot at analyzing, it is important to recognize db's ideology which arises from, among other things, his biblical understanding......and refrain from applying our own beliefs.



Nic said...

Further to the above, *all* wives and daughters have knowledge of their rights and liberties. If he can't get them to buy into being submissive and rein in their influence over their husband, then his numbers will plateau and then decline.

Happy wife = happy life.

Bobcat said...

Me2l:

"According to these people's understanding and ideology, Jesus is very much alive."

--------

I assert that if you're going to disagree with Peter's lengthy article and say that these (indicating closeness) people's (Davey and his flock) understanding and ideology doesn't fit the Judeo-Christian ideology ...

What particular ideological subset of Independent Christianity do DB and his followers ascribe to that would explain away ALL of the SA and a major premise of this article?

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Nic said...

Me2l said...
Now, whether or not you or I believe it is applicable to current times is not relevant. I do know that some churches believe it is, and it would appear DB and his group and related groups are part of that.

That Jesus would appear physically and actually talk to Amanda is perfectly within the realm of their ideology, and as Peter emphasized, in order to have a proper shot at analyzing, it is important to recognize db's ideology which arises from, among other things, his biblical understanding......and refrain from applying our own beliefs.


I'm not applying my own beliefs, I was asking if that is what you meant.

My question was rhetorical. I was that DB counted himself as the one who asked Amanda to give her life "for" Jesus (for DB). DB also refers to himself as bringing her to the Lord or something or other. The guy is delusional.

jmo

Bobcat said...

Me2l:

"According to Scripture, Jesus was alive in a physical body after his death. In several bible passages, it is recounted that many people saw and even touched him.

Now, whether or not you or I believe it is applicable to current times is not relevant. I do know that some churches believe it is, and it would appear DB and his group and related groups are part of that."

In a 28 day bible reading plan posted on resonateindy website here:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/28day-back.pdf

The book of Acts, including Acts 1: 9-11 which describes the ascension of Jesus to heaven.

Yes, Jesus did live on earth for a period after his resurrection. But he then ascended to heaven as described in the book of Acts. Jesus is spiritually alive in heaven. Resonate includes this biblical record in their ideology.

Bobcat said...

Me2l:

"That Jesus would appear physically and actually talk to Amanda is perfectly within the realm of their ideology, and as Peter emphasized, in order to have a proper shot at analyzing, it is important to recognize db's ideology which arises from, among other things, his biblical understanding......and refrain from applying our own beliefs."

I apologize for repeatedly butting-in, but your assertions are impressive yet incorrect.

Resonate advertises an understanding of the book of Acts.
DB understands the bible very well and twists it for his gain at will.

Why do you continue to try to explain it as ideology, when this article has proven that it is not?

Me2l said...

Bobcat......it doesn't matter

It matters to you. It matters to me. But our biblical beliefs are not applicable here, and there is no point in explaining scripture as we believe it. I'm not espousing that biblical interpretation, anyway.

I'm not completely sure what Davey's beliefs are, but it is important what they are, as it drives him, even though he will supercede with his superior authority.



Me2l said...

yes, resonate understands the Ascension, but in many churches, that does not preclude Jesus "appearing" to His people.

Nic said...

I would also like to add that I think DB is a fraud. He uses Amanda's journal as a homily/edification. Homilies are suppose to be written by the leader, not a disciple. When he was sermoning using his own words and interpretation, he could not retain the numbers. In fact, he was losing numbers. However, upon Amanda's death and inheritance of her written word which he has chosen as a basis for his homilies, his numbers have soared. So who is the successful leader? Amanda. jmo

Going back to Video three, she corrected him about what it means to lead, and he had to have the last word "about that".

Bobcat said...

Me2l,

Yes, it does matter.

You assert:

"I'm not completely sure what Davey's beliefs are, but it is important what they are, as it drives him, even though he will supercede with his superior authority."

Your statements are disturbing. As disturbing as what comes out of DB.

Bobcat said...

Me2l @ 12:13,

Of course, visions and appearances of Jesus.

Got it. It's the defense that DB will claim.

Anonymous said...

Jesus is not dead! His Holy Spirit is alive within each of us.

Bobcat said...

Me2l,

Your statement again:

"I'm not completely sure what Davey's beliefs are, but it is important what they are, as it drives him, even though he will supercede with his superior authority."

You've proven Peter's analysis.

It doesn't matter what DB's ideology is, because his narcissistic authority will supercede/twist the ideology/beliefs...for his platform of superiority.

I would love to see SA applied to your sentence. It's a doozy.

Anonymous said...

Agree with rjb at 11:45. At least the part about leaving Amanda's sister out of it. Any connections you are trying to make seem like a desperate grasp for attention.

HISG said...

rjb,

I am very pressed for time and will reread your comment when I get freed up. However, it seems you missed thr point of my analysis which was to highlight (using SCAN) everytime I see a "because" "however" or "therefore" bc it is sensitive when a speaker explains why Something happened.
THIS IS NOT MY PERSONAL OPINION...I am using SCAN on Amber's post.
I did not say I have a problem with her bringing Her kids to the indoor park after Ananda died...rather SCAN has a problem with her explaining WHY shr took them there.
Consider also, Weston was there...who was Weston with? Davey probably right?
She attains video surveillance footing...do I have a problem w her doing that? Not really, until I see she explains WHY the lady approaches her, WHY she offers to get the footage.
I dont know how to do bold typs using chrome. All anyone needs to do is just bold type all the "howevers, because etc" and you will see how sensitive that piece of writing is.
And ask uourself if you would have written it the same way if it was merely a loving reflection. Would it have been important to you to explain WHY you did all that stuff including returning to the indoor park? I would have felt I owed NOONE an explanation WHY i went there nevermind it sounds like she's offering justifications like "I didnt know where else to take the kids..." But then again, I wpuldnt have attained surveillance footage either.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

I am aware of Resonate and the starter church's particular understanding and pragmatic viewpoints. There are cultural distinctives, their own lingo, catch phrases, etc.

To understand, for example, why Davey Blackburn expressed no fear at the killers coming after him and his son, we must understand from the subject's own language, and subsequent defense.

For example, some have written that he did not fear or experience normal human emotions because of his great faith in God. I am going to answer this in the analysis. Does the teaching of providential care, for example, impact, or even nullify, human emotions. I intend to show its impact, but not nullification and will do so using DB's own ideology (a) and his own words (b).

It makes for a shining excuse, but the need for excuse (1) will be noted, and answered (2) using his own language and ideology.

It is not about what I believe, you believe, nor in debating belief. I recognize that I have presented a broad and orthodox historical view and that is not what 'resonate' nor his mentor teach and embrace.

It was only a starting point.

What I hoped readers who see is this:

They come to a place where they see the type of personality trait within an overall personality who both affirms divinity and denies it when it best suits them.

Then, take this type of personality and re-examine his language with this in mind.

Then, go back to the statements made about the murder.

The analysis coming will not be 1/4th the length of this background sketch. I don't think most readers have the attention span. The length here is just for those who have posted and thought a great deal about his murder investigation and are troubled by it.

I do appreciate the posters who defend DB. It is helpful to hear how people think and view these things.

Please don't insult.

Peter

Bobcat said...

Biblical translations write that Jesus ascended to heaven in a cloud.

DB talks about being in a cloud when describing the morning of November 10.

He is devious and diabolical.

rjb said...

HISG --

I assure you that I am very clear regarding the point of your "analysis" of Amber's words. You yourself stated that Amber's retelling of the last day she spent with Amanda and the subsequent return to the play park indicates a "broader deception going on."

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You highlight her explanations as to why things happened and then complain that she didn't explain why she brought Weston back to the play park with her own children after Amanda's death. It is only natural that Amber would be replaying the final interactions with her sister; when tragedy strikes, it is human nature to review the days and minutes leading up to that tragedy, examining the whys and wherefores in minute detail.

The last time my sister and I had dinner together, we ended up getting Thai carryout BECAUSE my dog got into the shrimp that I had thawing in the sink. This is sensitive BECAUSE I had planned on cooking my sister's favourite meal and was unable to. My mom usually comes over on Wednesdays after work, but this week she is coming on Sunday BECAUSE my husband took Wednesday off and we spent the afternoon together. This is sensitive BECAUSE he usually works on Wednesdays and it was out of the norm to have an extra day with him. The realtor was supposed to take interior photos of our house next week but we had to reschedule for next week BECAUSE my husband and I underestimated the amount of time we needed to finish painting the trim and doors. This is sensitive BECAUSE an error on our part lead to a change in plans.

Any anecdote can be flagged for sensitivity when one is relating an alteration in what was expected to happen. Amber not hugging Amanda the last time she saw her is going to be sensitive BECAUSE Amber never dreamed that it would be her last chance to hug her sister.

Sometimes a "because" is just a "because." Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Goodness knows if I thought everything I wrote was likely to be subject to analysis by conspiracy theorists, I would defend the crap out of every single decision I made.

rjb said...

*this week but we had to reschedule for next week

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Fm25 said...

This article was lengthy but very helpful. I've read it a few times and still not even sure if I'm getting the lesson right. The personality trait within a personality who both affirms divinity and denies it when it suits him, is has this been identified as narcism or is there something more?

Me2l said...

rjb:

HISG simply does not understand SA, so I've been ignoring his/her ridiculous ramblings. To HISG, it seems quoting a statement and applying "life according to HISG" is his/her understanding of SA.

That is neither here nor there for me, but with myriad and fantastical theories which involve everyone in Amabda's life as co-conspirators in her murder, the discussion can quickly reel off into the twilight zone.



Me2l said...

Fm25:

What are elements associated with NPD?

rjb said...

Me21--

This is why, thus far at least, I have kept my mouth shut and refrained from commenting. I have a strict "do not feed the trolls" policy that I generally abide by, however sorely I am tempted to engage. But seeing someone play fast and loose with the motivations of a grieving sibling... that crosses a line for me. I know I should leave will enough alone, nothing I say here will change anyone's mind.

Concerned said...

rjb,
I've enjoyed your comments today.
Compassionate.
Rational.
I enjoy reading discussion by people who recognize that SA is useful in flagging deception but not an excuse to turn ordinary and expected conversation into giant conspiracy theories.
Thank you for taking the time to explain what many of us were thinking.

HISG said...

Part 1 (had to break it into 2 posts)

rjb

You wrote

"You highlight her explanations as to why things happened and then complain that she didn't explain why she brought Weston back to the play park with her own children after Amanda's death"

I never complained that she didn't explain why she brought WEston there. IN fact, her fb passage does not even say she brought Weston there. It says "Weston was there...and it was surreal to see him there." That does not say she brought him there. It says "he was there". It wasn't my impression she brought him there.

You wrote

"The last time my sister and I had dinner together, we ended up getting Thai carryout BECAUSE my dog got into the shrimp that I had thawing in the sink. This is sensitive BECAUSE I had planned on cooking my sister's favourite meal and was unable to. My mom usually comes over on Wednesdays after work, but this week she is coming on Sunday BECAUSE my husband took Wednesday off and we spent the afternoon together. This is sensitive BECAUSE he usually works on Wednesdays and it was out of the norm to have an extra day with him. The realtor was supposed to take interior photos of our house next week but we had to reschedule for next week BECAUSE my husband and I underestimated the amount of time we needed to finish painting the trim and doors. This is sensitive BECAUSE an error on our part lead to a change in plans."

And if it was the LAST time you saw someone, you would feel the need to explain these things? Your analogies are not appropriate. They do not match the context in which Amber was writing.

For example, if God forbid, it had been the last time you ever saw your MOm, would you really write about it by saying

"My mom usually comes over on Wednesdays after work, but this week she (came) on Sunday BECAUSE my husband took Wednesday off and we spent the afternoon together." Or would you say "the last time I saw her was Sunday" and then proceed to describe the day????

You wrote

"Taking a more circuitous, unfamiliar route to the grandparents' house doesn't mean that there was some nefarious purpose behind it. Maybe Amanda had always wondered where a particular street went and decided to try it as a sort of mini-advebture. Maybe she was enjoying her time with Amber and wanted to extend it by stretching the car ride out longer. Maybe they were so engrossed in their conversation that Amanda missed a turn and they had to take a different route because of that."


You're putting all kinds of words into Amber's mouth that aren't there. Amber does not say they were so engrossed in conversation that Amanda got lost. IN FACT, it is the opposite of what Amber said. Amber says that Amanda (for unknown reasons--again, please don't supply reasons that Amber hasn't offered like she just wanted to find out gee, I wonder where this particular street goes with kids crying in the car and people exhausted from a 12 hr flight) took a different route and THEN got lost, allowing them to talk longer than they would have. Why in the world would you reverse what she actually said to negate my point by saying that they were so engrossed in conversation that they got lost? Also, her inclusion of "taking a different route for unknown reasons, getting lost, etc. is unnecessary. But regardless please do not REVERSE what she actually said to offer an explanation for them "taking a different route".

HISG said...

Part 2 of my post to rjb

You wrote

"When the employee at the play park told Amber about the video surveillance that showed the sisters there, I find nothing suspicious in Amber wanting a copy of that video. How often, when we lose someone close to us, do we spend time poring over old photos, videos, even saving voice mails or leaving the outgoing answering machine message the same in order to preserve to gone loved one's voice?"


What is SENSITIVE is she tells us WHY it was offered. There is sensitivity there, whether you like it or not, according to SCAN. Does that mean she did something criminal? NO. But the sensitivity is there and you can talk till you're blue in the face. It doesn't change the rules of SCAN.

When you take a piece of writing that has multiple SCAN sensitivity indicators, multiple uses of "because, however, therefore" telling us WHY the person did what they did, it is sensitive. If you don't like that, contact Avinom Sapir and tell him you don't agree.

Additionally, I find the surveillance video, eerie at best, showing them separately walking into the church with the indoor park. WEre there no pictures, selfies, whatever taken during their few days visiting?

Let me further illustrate the point.

What if Amber said "I found a lady who had been volunteering that day and asked if she had surveillance video of Amber and I entering the building." I would think this is extremely strange but there are no sensitivity indicators. Amber's explanation for getting the video actually contains SCAN sensitivity indicators which make her statements about getting the video sensitive. Again, if you don't like the fact it makes it sensitive, contact Avinom Sapir and tell him you think SCAN should be changed.
Don't condescend to me for using SCAN.

HISG said...

And Me2l,

You are an arrogant idiot. You have literally never analyzed anything. You have no knowledge of SA and have never written anything that demonstrates any such knowledge. Your opinions about my ability to use SA are irrelevant.

Me2l said...

Concerned said


rjb,
I've enjoyed your comments today.
Compassionate.
Rational.
I enjoy reading discussion by people who recognize that SA is useful in flagging deception but not an excuse to turn ordinary and expected conversation into giant conspiracy theories.
Thank you for taking the time to explain what many of us were thinking.


Yes, thank you, rjb. It's been thought-provoking and refreshing to depart from the less analytical and rational commenters who masquerade under various screen names.

To me, it looks as if certain phrases and words may be sensitive, context can be quite important. This is where some can get confused, I imagine.

Me2l said...

HISG, where is your 102 year old imagrandma screen name?

mom2many said...

It was a different route because she was going from the airport to the grandparent's home, instead of from the airport to her own home.

HISG said...

mom2many,

That is NOT what Amber says. She says Amanda "took a different route" and it is implied that it was a "different" route than usually taken to get from the airport to the Granparents' house.
Please do not put words in her mouth (that dont even make sense). If my sister picks me up from the airport to take me to my grand parents house of course it would be a different route than if she were driving back to her own house. She says "she took a different route". You could just as easily say "well she meant Amanda took a different route than if she was going from airport to the grocery store". Which makes no sense and it is NOT what she said.

HISG said...

Me2l,
You wrote "Yes, thank you, rjb. It's been thought-provoking and refreshing to depart from the less analytical and rational commenters who masquerade under various screen"

You are very pretentious to say that. You are not analytical. You have never analyzed anything unlike the vast majority of commenters who have been earnestly trying to unravel this case.
You have insulted many commenters particularly at the end of the last thread all of whom had demonstrated talented analysis.
You come here to harrass people and insult them and you have shown NO ability to analyze statements and you have made no effort to. Please go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.

Me2l said...

HISG:

I am not harassing "people"; I'm merely pointing out the fallacy of your behavior on this site. You overrun the forum with multiple, ridiculous conspiracy theories on a daily basis, crossing the line and using multiple screen names. Very trollish behavior.

You make false statements, such as saying i "never avalyze" anything. Completely false. I have called you out a lot; you're like a runaway train, irresponsible in your behavior here.

If you're going to dish out a steady diet of stupidity, be prepared to expect some feedback.

flightfulbird said...

This is coped/pasted from DataLounge thread - and this (anonymous) poster makes a very good point -

"Weston, I want to tell you about your daddy."

Why would the wife feel the need to write this when she would assume Davey would be around as Weston grew and she would be around to see it? It sounds like something he made up for instagram. And why does he need "inspiration" to keep being a good dad?

This guy is the most self-absorbed, smug asshole I've ever seen. I wasn't sure about the conspiracy theories until I read about his marathon phone call outside the house the morning of the murder. So obvious he went in to check on her to see the job had been done, saw she was still alive, then went back outside to "kill time" while her life ebbed away."


This is the same sort of thing as when Amanda "wrote in her journal" the phrase "thank you for letting me get to see all of this with my own eyes" (at which point Davey poignantly looked up at the interviewer when he was reading this passage from her journal). There's no reason Amanda would think when she was writing this that she would soon be in a position to NOT be able to see with her own eyes. Same with this thing about Weston - how would she know she wasn't going to be able to tell him about Davey herself?

flightfulbird said...

Link to Instagram post (about Weston getting told about his daddy) for those who might not have seen it -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFkuLnWh4KK/


Link to DataLounge thread - there are some very interesting and varied comments there for sure -

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16239486--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-5

Nic said...

Thank you, Peter. I am very much looking forward to your final analysis. I wish I could deliver a deep and enriched analysis as per :

They come to a place where they see the type of personality trait within an overall personality who both affirms divinity and denies it when it best suits them.

Then, take this type of personality and re-examine his language with this in mind.

Then, go back to the statements made about the murder.
___________

After the analysis that I did today from the very small sampling available, (and I know I barely scratched the surface,) regardless, I am of the opinion that DB plays God when it suits him.

When I read this:
honestly preparing our hearts to listen for the plans Jesus had next for our church.

Is DB clairvoyant? How would he know future plans unless he, himself, considered himself Jesus.

------------

It was one of those moments you could feel something different in the atmosphere. Almost as if Jesus himself was sitting in the room with us. Amanda led out in prayer. In tears she said, “Jesus I’m sorry for the times I make my life about my agenda. I want my agenda for my life to be Your agenda for my life.

The word "agenda" really struck me. Agenda is a conscientious mortal "thing", but here DB uses it as a commandment of sorts. i.e., "Thou shalt not have other agendas before my own."

"Your agenda for my life" sounds like a trade. That DB/Jesus, is hearing that she wants His agenda in exchange for her life.

But then there's the surrender/sacrifice angle wherein God sacrifices his only son so that our sins could be forgiven. And Jesus surrenders himself for his church.

DB says about Amanda:

She gave her life so you could have yours. (Jesus gave his life so that all our sins would be forgiven.) I know beyond a shadow of a doubt she did what she had to do that morning to protect you. She loved you that much. (He loved us that much.)

Truth is, for many of us Amanda is still leading the way in surrender.

I want that kind of faith. I want that kind of boldness. I want that kind of courage

So it's as if he has defined himself as DB, the leader, the Father and Son.

jmo

Rosy said...

flightfulbird said...
May 21, 2016 at 4:59 PM
This is coped/pasted from DataLounge thread - and this (anonymous) poster makes a very good point -

"Weston, I want to tell you about your daddy."

Why would the wife feel the need to write this when she would assume Davey would be around as Weston grew and she would be around to see it? It sounds like something he made up for instagram.
======================


Yes it sound weird but people do it. It is a custom. You can go to a wikihow for instructions, "How to Write a Letter to an Uborn Child." My search engine brings up 823,000 results for "writing a letter to your unborn child" and 664,000 for "writing a letter to your unborn baby." There are suggestions for "letter to unborn child from mother" and from fathers, grandparents, aunt, friend, etc.

As a sample, one mother says it goes back a generation: "When I was a teenager I was flipping through my baby book and I saw a letter my mom had written to me before I was born. It was sweet and heartfelt and at that moment I knew on a deeper level how very wanted I was and how special I was to my mom even before she met me for the first time." This mother includes words like Amanda's:

"Just wait ‘till you meet your dad. He’s fantastic. I just know he’s going to be such a wonderful daddy to you. When I was choosing a husband I decided to choose the man with the biggest, most beautiful heart I could find. And that’s your dad.He cares so deeply, and shares himself so openly. I love his honesty and the way he has trouble keeping a secret, even when it’s a fun surprise. I completely trust him to take exquisite care of all of our hearts, which is really the most important task of all. And on top of all that, he’s hilarious! With your daddy in our lives, we are sure to have lots and lots of laughter and fun." At blog called Awake Parent, July 21, 2010 by Shelly Berger.

The topic of letters to the unborn child has been covered in at least one national newspaper, the UK GUardian obnline.

So, yes, it's quite likely that Amanda wrote one of these letters. For sample of a pastor father's letter see An Open Letter To My Unborn Child by Jarrid Wilson

Nic said...

*a* very small sampling available

Leslie said...

Good points, flightful. I have devoured those datalounge pages, and yes, there are various opinions concerning the level of Davey's involvement. But, they seem to be unanimous that he's one of their own (which I suspected from the first time I saw his photo)- the "hot gay pastor."

And, although looks are superficial (particularly Davey's), I must say that his tan (whether sprayed on, from a tanning bed, or from being in the sun at the beach and Israel) does not improve his looks, imo. I think it was Lynda who commented that the main / biggest photo on his blog is not becoming; I agree. He has aged since Amanda's death, and his tan caused more wrinkles and accentuates them. Often, it looks like he has makeup on, around his forehead, which is more noticeable with his poofier hair. I'm not sure what to make of his beard.

Although Davey's looks might not not be directly related to his ideology, they play into reaching the crowds when telling "Amanda's Story," and coupled with his narcissism, demand that the attention be on him.

But, looks fade....




Me2l said...


As guilty as Davey appears, and as much as many on this blog enter the conversation bringing the presumption of Davey's guilt.....the assumption.....guilty without question.....it's probably difficult to believe Amanda's words. Much "analyzation" has been applied to Amanda and how she "probably" felt about Davey, based upon facial expression, "sadness" in her voice, etc. Not much fanfare, though, has been made about her actual words about him. In her posts on Instagram, she is incredibly complimentary of him and sounds very much in love.....as ludicrous as that may sound to those here (including me). Maybe the real life situation of Davey and Amanda has been twisted here to represent something else altogether.

There is always the possibility we are wrong.

But then......there is the murder of Amanda.......and the statement analysis.......

HISG said...

Me2l said

You make false statements, such as saying i "never avalyze" anything. Completely false. I have called you out a lot; you're like a runaway train, irresponsible in your behavior here.

Copy and paste one item from this case that you have analyzed Me2l. You havent analyzed anything.

And sweety pie, you are under multiple screen names also. Yes I wrote in stanza form under a different name to amuse people when there had already been 800 comments on the thread. I continued analyzing the case under that name and early on said my teacher's name 100 years ago was "Prudence Gayheart". Anyone who was "concerned" could have easily tied that to "HISG--Heisstillgay" my regular screen, so put that in your pipe and smoke it Me2l you horrible man.

HISG said...

The means by which Amber went about attaining that surveillance are sensitive, according to Avinom Sapir's technique SCAN.
I would say common sense dictates anyone attaining surveillance footage of themselves with a victim within a 24 hour time frame of the victim's devise warrants closer examination.
I am also curious, when is the last VERIFIABLE time Amanda was seen alive. EVEN DAVEY DOES NOT MENTION SEEING HER THE NIGHT OR MORNING BEFORE HE LEFT FOR THE GYM. VERY CONCERNING.

HISG said...

Im sorry. Davey does claim Amanda sang to Weston and put him to bed but he does not give us a time and I dont consider it reliable that he actually witnessed her putting Weston to bed. Was he watching her sing pray read to him in his nursery?

rjb said...

HISG --

If I have been condescending towards you, I am sorry. That was not my intent. I plan to study SCAN under Mr. Sapir once my family moves to Phoenix.

I did not put words in Amber's mouth. Rather, I suggested several plausible scenarios that could account for the lengthy drive to the grandparents' house. You are the one who implied that the car was full of crying children, something they I don't recall Amber mentioning.

The last time I saw my mom was about two weeks ago. If she were to die tonight, I can easily imagine saying that we were supposed to get together on Wednesday but rescheduled for Sunday *because* due to sorrow and regret.

Leslie said...
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Concerned said...

rjb,
I'm finding it's best not to engage those who would argue back and forth all day and night on insignificant points.
It saps our energy and jazzes theirs up to new levels.

Leslie said...

HISG,
Although Amber replaying her last memories with Amanda, returning to the indoor playground, and accepting video footage of she and Amanda does not strike me as unusual behavior, I DO find it very odd that Davey has never mentioned the last time he saw or interacted with Amanda. It's like a big void when he mentions getting up getting up at 4:30, having his prayer/bible time, and, of course, going to the gym, but, never mentions if Amanda was still asleep, having her quiet time with God, or if he regrets not kissing her goodbye (or regrets about leaving the door unlocked, whether guilty or not).

rjb said...

Oops, I didn't mean to press "publish" yet.

HISG, I have been nothing but courteous and respectful in my posts here. I have not belittled other commenters, made fun of them, or told them to go study for their SATs (implying that they are children and are immature. ) The lack of respect that you show to both other commenters here and to the family and friends of Amanda Blackburn is appalling.

I have been called "rational" and "compassionate" by other posters here, and that is how I try to conduct myself in my interactions with others. Perhaps your own posts would be taken a little more seriously if you injected a bit more rationale, respect, and compassion into them.

Bobcat said...

Rosy at 5:16,

"So, yes, it's quite likely that Amanda wrote one of these letters."

I think the envelope that DB posted a photo of is faked, similar to Amanda's last journal entry.

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/who-wrote-amandas-final-journal-entry.html?m=1

rjb said...

Concerned --

I'm done casting my pearls before swine as the saying goes. I've said my piece and have no further need or desire to pursue things past this point.

Thank you for your kind words to and about me.

Nic said...

Bobcat, thanks for linking the handwriting analysis. I agree, Nov 9 is *not* Amanda's handwriting The "y's" and "g's" are closed in the Nov 9th entry which is a-typical to Amanda's style. Also, the writing "pitch" is larger than her style.

Somewhere in her Instagram is a picture of the baskets she dropped off at homes on her street. I think there is an example there of her writing style, too.

I will look through her account tomorrow to see how she addressed envelopes. I think it was an introduction/invitation to their church.

Me2l said...

Davey really is the little traveler these days.

https://instagram.com/p/BFrwYUth4Nr/

Nic said...

Robin, I'm just getting caught up on this thread now. I'll take a look. I can't promise a stellar analysis, but I will try. The practice will be good for me.

Me2l said...

Nic,

A thank you note to the mail person:

https://instagram.com/p/rkRcM7r6Y3/

Apparently Amanda's writing?

Rosy said...

Bobcat,

I see why you think that. The writing on the envelope is different, especially the exclamation point. The H and A look different too.

Also I'd suspect Amanda would know to write Father's Day with an apostrophe (might check that).

FYI, typical pattern of letter to an unborn baby is to include a paragraph about Daddy in the body of a letter that covers a range of life topics. I will search to see is any others write a separate "about your Daddy" and if any give this as a Father's Day gift. These things are not original, they catch like wildfire in social media.

For a man to put such an envelope on display seems egotistical even for today's self-promoting lifestyle. I feel like saying, if it's authentic, a decent Dad would treasure it, not use it prove his worth.

Perhaps in his special circumstances, with his critics, he sincerely feels he is compelled to prove that. I'll read more on your site.

mom2many said...

HISG, it was a different route from Amber's perspective. Different than Amber usually drove? Different than Grandma usually drove? How often would Amanda drive from the airport to Grandma's house, since she lived in the same city? There is nothing nefarious about driving a different route than one is used to. Having picked up relatives and gotten engrossed in a conversation, and then gotten lost, myself, I understand how easy that can happen.

Me2l said...

rjb,

I respect every person I interact with. The only person I have called names is Me2l, and that is because he repeatedly insulted me and called me names, among other things calling what I (AND OTHERS) write "tripe" when he himself has demonstrated no familiarity with SA.
Also the original Imagrandma was fooling around in her posts unless people with manic depression say things like "I am finally putting all this together during my manic phase". Which they dont...I know a sufferer. Just like schizophrenic people dont say "wow I just realized Im Jesus during my schizophrenic phase". So I decided to play off that.
I did tell Me2l to go study for his SATs, because he is very immature and is probably a 45 year old Mama's Boy venting his anger at his mother on this board.

Leslie said...

Here are some samples of Amanda's handwriting on instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/67vvhxL6W_/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

https://www.instagram.com/p/6kFhH1r6RL/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

https://www.instagram.com/p/Xa0nM7r6Xi/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

OT: Davey looks really thin and frail in this photo:

https://www.instagram.com/p/RkvHRWL6T0/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

Anonymous said...

So now HISG is posting with Me21's name --the comment at 8:07 p.m.?

HISG said...

Leslie You wrote

time he saw or interacted with Amanda. It's like a big void when he mentions getting up getting up at 4:30, having his prayer/bible time, and, of course, going to the gym, but, never mentions if Amanda was still asleep, having her quiet time with God, or if he regrets not kissing her goodbye (or regrets about leaving the door unlocked, whether guilty or not).

I agree, and I think linguistic indicators point to an earlier time of attack on Amanda than the 7-8 am range.
What's tricky is...how much earlier?

Davey says in "Let me Tell You About Your Mommy" regarding Amanda putting Weston to bed the night before (he doesnt say what time) "that was the last time you ever saw Mommy", yet he never tells us the LAST time he saw her, so we dont know. We also dont know when she put him to bed. And absolutely, he does not mention seeing her in the AM before gym but he gives a detailed description of seeing her in the morning the DAY BEFORE, which further convinves me she was attacked during the night.

Bobcat said...

Rosy,

Enjoy the other site. It's mostly a collection of transcriptions, photos and handwriting samples for easy reference. Transcriptions get lost in these comments very quickly.

Leslie,

Thanks for those writing samples! I'll add them to the other blog for handy reference.

Me2l said...

"So now HISG is posting with Me21's name --the comment at 8:07 p.m.?
May 21, 2016 at 8:14 PM"


Yep, so it would seem. It's why I stay logged in now; HISG might use my name, but he/she cannot log in as me.

Bobcat said...

Compare the capital E's:

"Amanda's writing" according to DB: https://www.instagram.com/p/BFkuLnWh4KK/

Davey's writing: https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/634526873612099584?utm_source=fb&fb_ref=Default&utm_content=634526873612099584&utm_campaign=daveyblackburn&utm_medium=fb

Amanda's actual writing: https://www.instagram.com/p/6kFhH1r6RL/

Anonymous said...

It is clear that HISG does not understand basic human behavior.

Anonymous said...

Yes Ambers words are sensitive. Her sister was just brutally murdered. That's the part you are willfully missing, HISG

Bad Juju said...

Amen to that, Anon at 10:10 & 10:13.

HISG said...

Me2l, It was an accident...I was in a hurry...I keep having to write your name to defend myself against you and it was apparently stuck in my head. I doubt anyone thinks a post criticizing you was written by you. Get over yourself.

Rosy said...

HISG has specifically touted Avinom Sapir's technique SCAN.

Setting aside whether Sapir's technique works,it appears that HISG is not applying Sapir's method. To take one example: Tony Lesce writes: "the deceptive person is working from imagination, according to Sapir, and the truthful person is working from memory. In reality, there are many unimportant details that coexist with critical facts, and these often find their way into truthful narratives. The result is that a deceptive statement will be a "stripped-down" version, while the truthful statement also contains tangential or irrelevant information.

HISG assumes the direct opposite of this. On his/her analysis, tangential details like Amber's recall of taking an unfamiliar route and losing the way briefly so that the drive from airport to house took longer than it might have are viewed as suspicious for deception.

Another example. Lesce says: "Another difference between truthful and deceptive statements is that most deceptive stories do not mention emotion, and those that do locate the emotions logically, near the most threatening point...."

HISG on the contrary cannot comprehend why Amber, looking back after Amanda's death, would FEEL anything in connection with losing the way (a poignant gratitude that that it gave her more time with Amber); or why she would FEEL anything in connection with assuming they'd see one another next day and failure to hug Amanda.

HISG is demanding a peculiar LOGIC from statements, memories, and materials that present normal emotions. I don't understand why. According to Lesce's account of SCAN, this type of logic is more typical of deceptive criminals than of innocent people.

My post is not an endorsement of Avinom Sapir's technique SCAN.

HISG said...

Rosy,

The aspect of SCAN I am using on Amber's statements is the rule that any statement containing the reasons why something was done, any statement containing the words "however", "because", "therefore", "so" is sensitive. This is the rule. It is separate from the nature of the content, etc, etc, Even if you want to discredit anything I have said, you cannot discredit this rule. I did not make this rule up, Peter has often commented that cases are solved by using this particular rule of SCAN.

As I mentioned, this does not mean Amber did anything criminal, it means that there are many statements in her FB passage that are sensitive.

HISG said...

Also, to those examining Amanda's handwriting, her last entry contains uncharacteristic extreme leftward slant.

Anonymous said...

HISG said...

In the past 10 minutes of thinking about Amber's video footage, however, and also her written passage accompanying it, I am becoming increasingly alarmed.
While doing a quick chore and thinking about the passage in my head, I realized that the entire tone of it is to explain WHY things happened. Why Amanda ended up picking her up from the airport, why she went back to the indoor park, etc. Also, there is tremendous emphasis on convincing the reader of the good quality of their relationship.

What is eerie is that Amber knew the police had gotten video surveillance footage of Davey from the gym and "cleared" Davey.
SA tells me that Amber's need to explain why she went back to the indoor park is deceptive. I believe she went back there to attain video footage proving she was there with Amanda. She also includes statements that attempt to "prove" she was seen there interacting with Amanda by the volunteer.

I don't know what to make of this, but I wonder if Amber left the indoor park (may have left her kids there with Amanda) and did something. What I do not know.

But there is something fishy with her attaining that video footage and posting it.

May 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM

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HISG said...

MOre from Amber

VEry important regarding returning to the indoor park and attaining video footage

The entire second sentence explains WHY she went back to the indoor park only a few days after "everything that happened.

She also explains WHY the lady volunteered to get the video footage.

Amber's written passage accompanying the video surveillance footage is the MOST sensitive thing I have looked at so far. It is very sensitive and is written for the purpose of explaining WHY things happened...from Amber picking her up instead of the grandma, to why she decided to stay in INdy for a few days to why she went back to the indoor park, to why the lady offered to get her the video footage.

This is very sensitive...this whole passage by Amber and speaks to a broader deception going on.

May 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM

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HISG said ...

Also, why does Amber casually mention that they (she and Amanda) took a "different route" to the grandparents' house and got lost but it was A-OK because it gave them more time to talk?

Why was a "different route" taken?
Did Amber ask Amanda if they could go a different way so she could stop off somewhere else, like to someone's house? Like maybe Amber said she just wanted to say a quick "hi" to someone.

Why would Amanda, who seems quite practical, take a "different" route to the grandparents with cranky kids in the car who were crying from travelling?

I also think that Amber must have left that indoor park...she does not say how long they were there...but I am guessing that is why she wanted the video surveillance to prove" she was there in case someone saw her somewhere else if, in fact, she did leave the indoor park and then return.

May 20, 2016 at 11:36 PM





Rosy said...

HISG,
does this rule boil down to, marked use of the words
"however", "because", "therefore", "so" indicates (excess) mental processing to create logical order in the narrative?

BTW, the word "So,..." at the beginning of a sentence especially in reply to a question, in US English has all but replaced what used to stand there, the word "Well, ....." It may come from programming diction.

Anonymous said...

HISG
You have to look for the reason for sensitivity. You are still willfully distorting someth No you don't understand, trying to get anyone to agree with you. Give it up! There's no takers with tonight.

Me2l said...

Anonymous said...
It is clear that HISG does not understand basic human behavior.
May 21, 2016 at 10:10 PM

Anonymous said...
Yes Ambers words are sensitive. Her sister was just brutally murdered. That's the part you are willfully missing, HISG
May 21, 2016 at 10:13 PM

Bad Juju said...
Amen to that, Anon at 10:10 & 10:13.
May 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM


HISG is a prime example of someone who "knows just enough to be dangerous", as the saying goes.

This person literally cannot apply these investigative tools in the way they were intended. Whoooooosh....right over the old noggin. This causes inexcusable forays into unforgivable accusations of the most disgusting sort.

HISG, you appear to be simplistic by nature, therefore, lacking a certain amount of proper discernment; you assume any use under any context of words such as THEREFORE is always "sensitive." You have completely misunderstood the tool.

The errancy of HISG's amateurish attempts st analyzation should be a lesson to others.

Me2l said...

So.........HISG, with your most recent theory that Amber is involved in a devious conspiracy to murder her sister, does this replace your previous theory that Ashley conspired to kill her friend (ooooh....her eyes are so EVIL....the eyes, the eyes), and the earlier one where Amanda's father killed his daighter, after he sexually assaulted her all her life?

Is Meg innocent now, or is she still involved?

HISG said...

Me2l,

Are you a transvestite? Because you told me on another thread that you are 50 years old, an atheist, and your wife was sitting in the room with you watching TV.

At this point, I think you're someone I know cyberstalking me, so please leave me the hell alone.

You are a moron.
You have never demonstrated any knowledge of SA.
Go away.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Peter- Thank you so much for this very informative article! You've actually cleared up a few things for my family in the process re:two narcissists we're dealing with (both "Christian" extended family members).

One family member provided us with this recent example of the principle you've explained. When confronted about her use of curse words, using Scripture as the reference point as she regularly trumpets her Christianity, she would not admit her fault/sin. Instead, her cool self-assured response was "Well, God understands.". We were floored that she in essence was saying that God approved her behavior because it was her. This is someone, who espouses God to be Holy and a fearsome Judge when discussing others' sin... and yet when it comes to her sin, she easily warps God and recreates Him in her own likeness...even though she knows the Scriptures full well.

Like your accurate Perry Noble assessment, our other extended family member gave Jesus a 15 minute mention on Palm Sunday and spent the other 100 minutes bragging about his own ministry (who's inviting him, where, how in demand he is, and how many people responded to his preaching). Using SA principles, he averaged out referencing himself every 3 seconds with "I". Did I mention he's also a media communications/IT major with a gift for networking, public speaking, and into leadership books? He also started out as a Youth Minister in his denomination and positions himself as a global evangelist. He solicited youth for their testimonies, produced it as a book, and sold it to fund his ministry. He's also not above using the coarse approach (although not as blatantly or as often as DB-his denomination plays a little tighter with the rules). Likewise, he also married a sincerely devout Christian girl. We have always believed he needed a wife to further his ministry too. -smh repeatedly here :0

Anonymous said...

Cyberstalking? I'm more convinced than ever that HISG is ABB, hahaha

Maggie said...

Me21 and others,
Please stop responding to posts by HISG et al. This person is obviously unstable and attention seeking. Their nonsense is derailing what is mostly an interesting conversation. IGNORE (do not give them the attention they seek) and they will hopefully go away!!!

HISG said...

Mel2 you wrote

"HISG, you appear to be simplistic by nature, therefore, lacking a certain amount of proper discernment; you assume any use under any context of words such as THEREFORE is always "sensitive." You have completely misunderstood the tool."

You appear to be cyberstalking me so go to hell.

Maggie said...

Now, onto an observation. Donae,who was usually very prolific with fb posts has gone silent. She made her Instagram private as well, as has Alonzo. Maybe they just know we're watching them? Any other thoughts? As I said previously, they are being evicted from their apartment - so it doesn't seem like Alonzo benefitted from Amanda's death, in public anyway.

HISG said...

Maggie said

"Please stop responding to posts by HISG et al. This person is obviously unstable and attention seeking. Their nonsense is derailing what is mostly an interesting conversation. IGNORE (do not give them the attention they seek) and they will" hopefully go away!!!

Oh really "Maggie"? And you are obviously what? Are you Me2l when he's dressed in drag? Do you tell people who to ignore when you dress in drag? Go crawl back under your rock.

Rosy said...

Why did Amber return home ahead of the rest of the family? Was her flight pre-scheduled or did she change it? Was her early return related to her job obligations? Or what?

Did Amanda call or text her and ask her to come home early?

Me2l said...

Maggie, maybe you're right that HISG will go away if ignored. It just seems disgraceful the way he is accusing and trying to implicate grieving family members through a lack of understanding what he/she is doing. HISG posts numerous times daily with this outrageous and disgusting verbal diarrhea. It would be a blessing if ignoring him would encourage him to run along to another playground he could troll.

Maggie said...

No, when I dress in drag its for all the world to see!!! Been schooled, crawling....need to take my own advice. lol.

HISG said...

Me2l,

"Maggie, maybe you're right that HISG will go away if ignored. It just seems disgraceful the way he is accusing and trying to implicate grieving family members through a lack of understanding what he/she is doing. HISG posts numerous times daily with this outrageous and disgusting verbal diarrhea. It would be a blessing if ignoring him would encourage him to run along to another playground he could troll."

You're so good at cut and pasting...still waiting for you to cut and paste one thing you have analyzed regarding this case or any other case (and that doesn't include your verbal diarrhea insulting posters, calling what they say "tripe", or telling them their ideas are stupid). The biggest sign of a troll is someone hanging around a forum that they have absolutely no interest in the actual content which is statement analysis. So little interest that you have analyzed nothing (correctly or incorrectly). Now you my friend, you run along...go try on some dresses and I'm sure you haven't mastered walking in heels yet either.

Anonymous said...

You do a lot of projecting, HISG. You call others immature, but you're the one who is ridiculously childish. Just stop.

Anonymous said...

HISG has issued no reliable denial to being ABB. I wondered a few days ago if she was ABB. The transvestite rants seal it.

Anonymous said...

Sundowners Syndrome??

Anonymous said...

She does seem to get jazzed up at night, anon@12:05; however, due to the amount of projecting she does, I'm thinking possible alcohol problem. She accused Me2l of being alcoholic though Me2l never seems the least bit impaired. It seemed to come out of left field.

ABB was also a major projector.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I wonder why she accused Me2l of being alcoholic. She also accused him of being a 45 year old Mama's boy and she was definitely way off base with that, since he's evidently a proud independent transvestite.

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Anonymous said...

Me2l, Thanks for setting HISG straight with your enormously impressive intellect. Your feinged 4-way conversation was also profoundly clever. And of course, your verbal dexterity is transfixing. Why don't you solve the case Me2l? What is your idea about what happened?

Anonymous said...

Still no reliable denial.....

Anonymous said...

I know right? Me2l hasn't denied being an alcoholic, 45 year old Mama's boy or transvestite.

lynda said...

Maggie said...
Now, onto an observation. Donae,who was usually very prolific with fb posts has gone silent. She made her Instagram private as well, as has Alonzo. Maybe they just know we're watching them? Any other thoughts? As I said previously, they are being evicted from their apartment - so it doesn't seem like Alonzo benefitted from Amanda's death, in public anyway.

May 21, 2016 at 11:45 PM



I've certainly noticed Donae going silent. AB hasn't gone silent on FB, he's constantly on there trying to find people to sell what he has, bragging about how much money he spends on smoking weed, and how if anybody snitches he can "get people" to take care of that for him. Donae is not even "liking" many of his FB posts as she did before. Are they even living together? They both say they are married on FB but now they have dropped the names of who they are married too. Also, are they even REALLY married or do they just say they are? I think they're starting to get nervous IMO.
Where did you find out they were being evicted?

Bingo3 said...

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/05/guilty-reactions-victim-blaming.html

Peter recently posted a new SA on victim blaming. He mentions DB among many other cases where the victim is actually blamed after the crime. OJ did it to Nicole and we see DB doing it over and over with Amanda. He blames God and Amanda, every once in a while he blames evil. Does anyone remember the sermon where he basically blamed Amanda for the purchase of their Sunnyfield home. He said Amanda just had to have the house but because he was such a Dave Ramsey guy (WHATEVER!) that he would not get it unless the owners accepted a super low ball offer. The low ball offer was accepted and they purchased the house. Because Amanda wanted it and God ordained it by letting them get it so cheaply, that made him feel a lot less guilty. (will try to find the transcript) It wasn't his fault she died, she wanted the house and God let it happen.

CJ researched this claim and discovered that DB was lying. He is a chronic liar. They actually purchased the house way above asking price. Here is what he said from our case discussion blog.
From CJ:
I am calling BS on Davey's story (from a previous sermon) about coming in with a lowball offer on the house and getting it despite first getting turned down and not budging from the original offer (so Davey doesn't have to feel guilty because it was Amanda who wanted the house and GOD who made it happen).

Zillow stats indicate that the previous owner went into foreclosure in Dec. 2010 and the house was returned to the lender with an outstanding mortgage of $93,750.

A year later the house was valued by Zillow at around $125,00, and Davey and Amanda paid $136,858 for it (sale closed on 1/19/12).

By any standard (except in a hot housing market where bidding wars are going on) paying 11K over the appraised value of a house is NOT a lowball offer. Another part of Davey's story, that there were four higher offers for the house and the seller chose them instead, also doesn't hold water.

The house is currently appraised by Zillow at $121,975. Davey is offering it at $153,900.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2812-Sunnyfield-Ct-Indianapolis-IN-46228/1278225_zpid/

Fm25 said...

I agree ambers words do show sensitivity in the need to explain, but in this context vs Davey's it is more expected. As previous posters mentioned, she's reliving her last moments with Amanda, something davey never did. Recording every detail does not seem odd to me. I don't see distancing language. She is true to her ideology. She does not appear to be seeking personal gain.
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Now Ashley Barrett's post on FB is a whole other story. So much need to explain. I've always suspected they were not as close as Ashley led people to believe after her murder. Her explanation is very interesting. She seems to have resented Amanda. There's something very off with that girl.

Nic said...

bad faith (in business)
Deceptive practices or deliberate misrepresentations

bad faith (in religion)
being of two souls - using religion, not as a way of life, as they project themselves to be living, but as a business proposition (growing a church/generating numbers)


As an example, preaching the word of the Lord, but breaking one or more of the 10 commandments (laws/instructions by which the church is governed and lives) to further one’s agenda. Such as, “Thou shalt not make for yourself an Idol”, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”, “Thou shalt not kill.”, “Thou shalt not covet…..” (which could lead to breaking other commandments (motivation), i.e., kill. But then being able to excuse this bad faith to themselves with religion (Romans 7:7-11) wherein it says they cannot perfectly obey the law and we all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and are in need of God’s mercy and that mercy is granted only through faith in Jesus (who died for us so that all our sins would be forgiven.)

Further, if one is using religion as a business proposition and they don’t really buy into the product, and they project themselves as being “religious” but aren’t (do not abide by the Commandments) then use the Bible to excuse/justify their behaviour, we then have kidding one’s self, lying to one’s self, or “self” deception.

jmo

Me2l said...

Blogger Fm25 said...

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Now Ashley Barrett's post on FB is a whole other story. So much need to explain. I've always suspected they were not as close as Ashley led people to believe after her murder. Her explanation is very interesting. She seems to have resented Amanda. There's something very off with that girl.



Ashley admitted their relationship had cooled and that she had resentment. Jealousy? Some people have a problem in that area of their lives. Ashley also talks about how they had reconciled their differences.

Does this delving into Amanda's personal relationships and their dynamics mean people here truly believe Ashley.....or Amber...were involved in Amanda's murder? If not, why the scrutiny? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, nor do I mean to sound inflammatory. I'm curious why this is done here, unless people seriously believe those closest to Amanda murdered her. Apart from that, what is the purpose?

Nic said...

Me2l said...
Nic,

A thank you note to the mail person:

https://instagram.com/p/rkRcM7r6Y3/

Apparently Amanda's writing?


I clicked onto her homepage, https://www.instagram.com/amandagblackburn/

There is another example.

Amanda consistently uses proper upper and lower case. Also the capital "A" is wrong on the envelope in question. Note "Thank you for ALL that you do." note on her instagram.

jmo

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Leslie said...

I stated earlier that I do not think that either Ashley or Derek Barrett had anything to do with Amanda's death. Yet, I find it interesting and helpful to try to understand the people surrounding both Davey and Amanda, that they were close to- in order to better understand (hopefully) the dynamics between Davey and Amanda.

There is nothing suspect about Amber, imo, but, she was probably Amanda's closest female in her life. So her facebook posts or blog posts about her relationship with Amanda appeal to me. That said, I am uncomfortable with putting her words under a microscope by using SCAN (ie: the analyzing of her conjunctive adverbs / transitional words (therefore, although, however).

And, even though nothing about the Barretts seems sinister to me, Ashley's honest facebook history of her friendship history with Amanda is intriguing. I had wondered much earlier if Ashely and Derek had children, as I saw no pictures of mention of it on Ashely's social media accounts. Yet, Amanda posted that Ashely was "mother of the year" at some point (I'll have to try to find that link). Perhaps she meant that Ashley was nurturing around Weston, and had babysat him? Just guessing. But, it is ironic that Ashely has been longing for a baby / child, to be a mother, and now she and Derek are living with Davey and Ashley is Weston's primary caretaker during the day. She's his surrogate mother. But, I don't make the jump from that to her, or both of the Barretts being involved in Amanda's murder. However, the living arrangement is certainly convenient for Davey, and probably mutually convenient. I doubt that Derek earns much as a musician at Sunday services (Maybe he has a weekday job, as well?).

JMO.

Nic said...

For Robin

There is a lot to analyze and I have not transcribed all of the video. I started where DM really piqued my interest and gave you what I believe to be the most obvious deception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuO81Crcqso
…and God’s people are growing. Why? Cause what do God’s people eat? They eat God’s food. (Right) And when you feed em
…and I didn’t start this “thing” to s-grow a big church. I started it to see Christians grow big. And that’s what happened. And you know what big Christians do? They reproduce. They share their faith. They invite people to church. That’s part of what happens. And here’s an interesting thing Ron, it was almost like, and we didn’t do this, we didn’t have the time, it’s almost like, we all got together, everybody’s been out here (interviewer chuckles,) and kinda playing down what we’re gonna talk about. The Holy Spirit planned out (Right) everything because this is, in our church, this is uh, it’s a little different, but a lot of churches out there there’s 3 to 5 percent, or 5 to 8 percent of the people that attend that church they’re actually active in ministry. Now, the great commission, not the great omission, not the great suggestion, the great commission, in Mathew 28 Jesus said, go make disciples. Well what the sign of a disciple. A disciple is someone who serves in Jesus, not just somebody who visits the same church every Sunday. Amen? Do, do ya hear what I’m saying? So, so in our church and this is mind blowing, in our church we have over 50 percent of the people who come to our church are serving and active in a ministry in that church. (Mobilizing) Yes sir. (Yes, yes.)


What’s stated in the negative is sensitive. (Didn’t start this “thing” to grow a big church./We didn’t do this, we didn’t have time ...we all got together…playing down what we’re gonna talk about/not somebody who visits the same church every Sunday.)

What follows is what is important.

Reproduce = increase in numbers

“Part” of what happens (share/invite) - they (Christians) extend the church to their warm market which in response, reproduces (increases) attendance/their numbers, the bottom line

Commission in the business sense is “tip”. Tip is money.
In Mathew, commission = disciples

disciples (serving and active in a ministry, i.e., sales men) = subset of church = tithes = money


Conclusion: David McGee is a business man. This “thing” he is growing is called multi-level business proposition. The business office is a church, the head’s title is pastor, the salesmen’s title is “disciple”. The disciple is serving and active (on-going, daily work,) not passive (visiting the same church every Sunday) in the pastor’s organization.

Visitor = tithing (pittance)
Disciple = commission (agreed upon percentage)

jmo

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Nic said...

Now, the great commission, not the great omission, not the great suggestion, the great commission, in Mathew 28 Jesus said, go make disciples.

This is a perfect example of using religion in bad faith.

Fm25 said...

I dont think Ashley was involved in Amanda's murder BUT I think she has benefited from it in many ways. Something about her screams single white female. There were slot of contradictory statement in her post: summarizing here, their bond didn't weaken but then explains how it did, she was not resentful but then admits she was. At one time I thought there was another woman bc davey could never manage to say he loved Amanda. I no longer think that though as I understand more about Davey's personality. I do think it's interesting to understand the dynamics of Amanda's relationships in Indy leading up to her murder. These were Davey's friends, davey was idolized by many in his "congregation" but how did Amanda feel? Who did Amanda have to confide in here in Indy.

Leslie said...

Good points, Fm25. I tend to think she confided the most to Amber. Yet, I think that their beliefs and upbringing caused them to focus on how they were blessed, support their husbands, and embrace their roles as their spouses helpmate. So, I doubt Amanda confided intimate negative details or doubts to anyone (imo).

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Here is a very interesting article in which the author applies a formula for writing a bestseller to the fast growing churches (with young pastors who preach what will draw people, and twist the gospel; "a gospel of accommodation"):

"The Right Formula

If you find the right formula, according to the accommodation gospel, you can succeed in any field of endeavor.

An editorial in the New York Times (March 1, 1998) was entitled, How To Manufacture a Best-Seller. It told the story of John Baldwin, a 53-year-old carpenter and a would-be writer, who had struggled for years to make a living from writing. He determined to become famous and rich overnight by writing a best-selling medical thriller. He studied five or six best thrillers. After 7 years’ research he found 10 steps to producing a best-selling medical novel. He honed it with some Hollywood writers and agents, and here is the 10-step formula he used:

The hero is an expert.
The villain is an expert.
You must watch all the villain’s activities over his shoulder.
The hero has a team of experts behind him, working in various fields.
Two or more on the team must fall in love.
Two or more on the team must die.
The villain must turn his attention from his initial goal to the team.
The villain and the hero must live to do battle again in the sequel.
All deaths must proceed from the individual to the group.
If the story bogs down, just kill somebody."


https://truedsicernment.com/2008/07/12/david-wilkersons-warning-for-the-assembly-of-god-sadly-unheeded/

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Davey is authoring a story- "Amanda's Story," and it is selling.

Nic said...

Peter said:
They come to a place where they see the type of personality trait within an overall personality who both affirms divinity and denies it when it best suits them.

Then, take this type of personality and re-examine his language with this in mind.

Then, go back to the statements made about the murder.

___________

quoting myself:
bad faith (in business)
Deceptive practices or deliberate misrepresentations

bad faith (in religion) James 1:8
being of two souls - using religion, not as a way of life, as they project themselves to be living, but as a business proposition (growing a church/generating numbers)


As an example, preaching the word of the Lord, but breaking one or more of the 10 commandments (laws/instructions by which the church is governed and lives) to further one’s agenda. Such as, “Thou shalt not make for yourself an Idol”, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”, “Thou shalt not kill.”, “Thou shalt not covet…..” (which could lead to breaking other commandments (motivation), i.e., kill. But then being able to excuse this bad faith to themselves with religion (Romans 7:7-11) wherein it says they cannot perfectly obey the law and we all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and are in need of God’s mercy and that mercy is granted only through faith in Jesus (who died for us so that all our sins would be forgiven.) denying/affirming

Further, if one is using religion as a business proposition and they don’t really buy into the product, and they project themselves as being “religious” but aren’t (do not abide by the Commandments) then use the Bible to excuse/justify their behaviour, we then have kidding one’s self, lying to one’s self, or “self” deception.

________


“Davey, do you think Amanda would have still said ‘yes’ to Jesus about moving to Indianapolis if she knew she was going to lose her life four years into it?

I’m not sure how many people would immediately jump at the chance to die for Jesus. How many people does He even ask to do that? Certainly not many! He normally just asks us to LIVE for Him. But die? So it stumped me for a moment.

I thought about the journal entry she wrote after our last Sunday service at NewSpring
Job 42:12
So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. He had also seven sons and three daughters.

jmo

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Leslie said...

Although I attributed what I posted at 10:46 to the link provided, the original source is David Wilkinson. His sermon, in its entirety, can be found here:

http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/199901/078_accommodation.cfm

Fm25 said...

I keep coming back to ther personality trait Peter has talked about. He keeps stressing what type of person would embrace an ideology and then willfully and publicly alter its meaning for personal gain. I thought it was important to the lesson and reanalyzing Davey's statement. Me21 asked me for personality traits of a narcissist: they are readily available online and Peter has described some in his article. There's also talk of a malignant narcissist but that does not appear to be a recognized medical diagnosis. One of the characteristics of the hypothetical malignant narcissist is lack of conscience,
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Quote from psychology today: "Psychologist Erich Fromm who invented the term Malignant Narcissist described it as a “severe pathology, the quintessence of evil and the root of the most vicious destructiveness and inhumanity.” We might ascribe this to terrorists, dictators or sadistic historical figures but it can be one, even two people in one family who cause a lifetime of heartache. As one personality disorders expert told me while I was in training, “These people terrorize their families.”
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There are lots of articles online about malignant narcissists. It's common to see early manifestations in childhood which could include lying about adults, making up stories of abuse, etc...

Nic said...

Fm25,

To add, somewhere in here I referenced delusions of grandeur, symptoms being:

self-worth
power[5]
knowledge
identity
exceptional relationship to a divinity or famous person.

I don't think there are many observers of DB that wouldn't agree the man is way-over-the-top high on himself.

Fm25 said...

20 traits of malignant narcissists. How many apply to davey?
http://masksofsanity.blogspot.com/2009/12/20-traits-of-malignant-narcissism.html?m=1

Nic said...

Delusions of grandeur also touches on auditory hallucination (perceiving sounds without auditory stimulus. Something that DB openly talks about as happening in the shower, etc.

Nic said...

Fm25 said:
20 traits of malignant narcissists. How many apply to davey?


Many (that he's shown us).

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Leslie said...

Fm25, I am in total agreement that Davey is a narcissist, and the characteristics of "malignant narcissist" seems spot-on. But, I'm still perplexed, as people have been saying that since Amanda's murder, and Peter (particularly on the previous thread) continues to point out that it's a trait that can be in many personalities...So, I'm still pondering and searching.

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Correction: It was David *Wilkerson* who delivered the sermon, or, homily that I posted a few posts up, as a warning about "a gospel of accommodations."

Leslie said...

Fm25 and Nic,
Although it certainly appears that DB has delusions of grandeur, they go along with mental illness and medical causes of brain disorders, etc.

"It is difficult to pinpoint a specific cause for delusions of grandeur. There is significant evidence associated with brain lesions, specifically to the frontal lobe and grandiose delusions. That said, a variety of other factors may play a role including: drug use, genetics, medical conditions, neurotransmitter concentrations, and receptor density."

http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/05/12/delusions-of-grandeur-causes-symptoms-treatment/

Peter indicates that DB knowingly and purposefully twists the bible, or religion. In other words, he knows what he's doing.

I'm still stumped.

Leslie said...

I keep thinking that DB has the trait of being diabolical. But, if that were true, could he both, and simultaneously, embrace scripture and purposely twist and abuse it, for his own purposes of fame and fortune?

rjb said...

Me21 @ 9:08 --

The belief by many commenters here that those closest to Amanda are complicit in her murder (including, IIRC, the accusation that she was viewed as a "sacrificial lamb" by the "satanic "cult" that Resonate perportedly is) is a result of inmates running the asylum. People have taken it upon themselves to solve the case with no regard for the facts, Peter's excellent and well laid-out explanations of the ideology and SA of it all, or even a basic understanding of how quickly and easily conspiracies unravel.

I dislike and distrust DB. Resonate is precisely the type of "seeker church" that I abhor. It has those who foĺlow Jesus whole-heartedly, Amanda for one as well as others who choose to avoid the spotlight. Sadly, the faithful are outnumbered by the hashtag-using, skinny-jeans wearing, soy-latte drinking crowd that have affixed themselves to a cult of personality instead of persuing the Truth.

Rosy said...

Were either of the Blackburn couple recruited by police as Confidential Informants (CIs). They went out of their way to cosy up to police (and local TV media). They Instagramed a "pay it forward" gift to their "neighborhood" cop. They chose to live in a neighborhood where people who worked on the margins of LE were their neighbors. Were any LE in the Resonate congregation?

DB "thuggified" his preaching style. In cozying up to thug lifestyles, did he inform on any or signal he might do that? Did AB run athwart a pimp's meal ticket in her women's groups?

Check the disappearance of 18 y/o Heidi Allen, "Dateline," episode "The Informant". At the time, police concealed the fact that Heidi, a star high school student, was a CI. Today, with another man in jail for over 25 years, DA and judge refuse to entertain the likelihood that she was abducted and killed by violent drug-dealing local criminals who found out (through police incompetence) that she was a CI.

Rosy said...

Leslie said...

I keep thinking that DB has the trait of being diabolical. But, if that were true, could he both, and simultaneously, embrace scripture and purposely twist and abuse it, for his own purposes of fame and fortune?
May 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM

The answer to that is proverbial. I'm sure you know

"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose," Antonio in The Merchant of Venice
Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!

Many more men do it than those who prove to be murderers.

Bobcat said...

Bingo3 @ 8:27 am

Here is the transcript:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/overwhelmed-week-2-feb-12-2016.html?m=1

Db begins talking about the house purchase at 31:30

Anonymous said...

"Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism joined to religious language.

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between ideology and personal gain."


https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/05/amanda-blackburn-murder-ideology-part.html

Bobcat said...

Rosy @ 12:28,

Interesting. DB as a CI?

I wonder how many cops DB & Amanda bought donuts for to advertise Resonate.
https://www.instagram.com/p/67vvhxL6W_/

Rosy said...

Bobcat,

yes, that's the Instagram I was thinking of.


Could it be that DB suspected as a CI simply because he "reached out" to certain types of young people?


Or could he have made himself vulnerable to recruitment as a CI by seeking gym-related drugs or other activities?

Rosy said...

^was^ suspected

Rosy said...

People here have said that the police presser announcing arrests in this case was conducted in an unusual manner. Can anyone specific or elaborate on this?

HISG said...

Fm25 said

"I agree ambers words do show sensitivity in the need to explain, but in this context vs Davey's it is more expected. As previous posters mentioned, she's reliving her last moments with Amanda, something davey never did. Recording every detail does not seem odd to me. I don't see distancing language. She is true to her ideology. She does not appear to be seeking personal gain."

I have thought about it a great deal in light of the opposing opinions posted last night, but I am still troubled by the sensitivity in Amber's post .
I do not know what it means but there is too much sensitivity to just say "no biggie".
A lot of the sensitivity focuses on why she was in certain places which IMO is concerning. (Also, some of the sensitivity involves time), From why she was being driven by Amanda (location-Amanda's car), why she decided to stay longer in Indy, why a different route was taken to Grandparents, why she returned to indoor playground, and why and how she was offered/ given surveillance video.

In other words, the sensotivity does not center around something unimportant like "My son doesnt like going on the slide SO we pushed the kids on the swing" or "Amanda loves music so I turned on the radio and we sang along to her favorite song.
And of course, the surveillance video itself is "proof" regarding a location if you look at what it contains: time/date in corner and video of 2 people entering a location.
The sensitivity involves location, time, and attaining surveillance.
It's puzzlimg to me; Im having trouble thinking it means nothing.
I will check out Ashley's post when I get freed up.

Rosy said...

HISG

it would be helpful if you would check flights out of California SF connecting Chicago that day and times of arrival.

Concerned said...

Rosy at 1:13
I don't remember the specifics of the presser but I do remember thinking it was the most unusual and awkward I had ever seen (and I've watched a lot of them). Some of the players seemed extremely uncomfortable with their answers. It would bear watching again if anyone has the link.

**Regarding our difficult and dramatic new-theory-everyday poster, if we completely ignore I think it will stop.

Me2l said...

The SA of Davey's comments and statements reveals deception. We don't know what the deception involved. Could it be simply his automatic coverup of his entire personality? He knows he's not what he presents, so his statements can't help but be deceptive?

Of course, probably 95% of the comments on this blog are relying on the idea of Davey's guilt, and when wild-eyed conspiracy theories are presented, it is with the assumption that Davey murdered his wife. Why, it's as clear as day, isn't it? How could LE possibly have missed it???

If, in fact, Davey is never linked to Amanda's murder (and, regardless of the mindset here, he has not been linked, investigated, and he certainly has not been charged), these comments will look even more ridiculous than they do now.

Davey's public persona is despicable, but to establish an entire conspiracy theory (or many different ones) centered upon his presumed guilt is a joke and requires a loose and permissive attitude toward interpretation, posing almost anything to reinforce personal bias and narrative.

This veers off wildly from SA or most forms of analysis, and as rjb said, leaves the inmates running the asylum.

Rosy said...

Re: the first visit to the indoor park after the flight back from SF, I do think it's worth considering that some sort of suppressed emotional agitation or turmoil is indicated below the threshold.

We're faced with ambiguities. Here, in this piece of the puzzle, one may wonder, did Amanda, on the day before her death, call on Amber for help with an outburst of emotional, marital, or other trouble and strife?

Is this an embarrassing burden that Amber feels compelled to keep private?

DB preached on the morning of Nov 8 advising his church members to "shoot your worries" with worship (illustrating with an Airsoft gun aimed at a person in a hoodie).

At some time on Nov 8 Amanda texted Amber that she would pick her up at the airport (changing the plan for grandmother to do so).

Was Amanda burdened with worries that she felt she needed to talk about with Amanda, not "shoot" with weapons of worship?

Was getting lost on the way home from the airport related in part to getting caught up in and distracted by intensity of conversation?

Next day, Nov 9, the sisters did not spend relaxing at their grandparents' home as a way for Amber and her children to recover from flight fatigue and time change jet-lag. Instead, to start the day they hived off to the relative privacy of a safe, calming public place, the indoor park in a mega-church they loved.

Was this to exchange happy talk or for Amanda to confide urgently troubling issues?

Rosy said...

BTW the park is not really a park, it's more an indoor playground/gym for little kids.
Probably a lot of noise and echoes when it's busy.

http://www.tpcc.org/im-new/the-park/

Me2l said...

So.......are we still trying to prove Davey (and/or family/friends) murdered Amanda? Or are we now trying to prove the theory that DB and Amanda had a poor relationship? Which....or both?

Where is this leading?

Fm25 said...

Me21, did you even read peter's article? It addresses your questions and why I don't think davey is just a really bad person and not involved in Amanda's murder.

It's getting very tiresome to have to keep explaining why many of us are presumptive of Davey's guilt. I've been following case from beginning because it was interesting. By now I have seen enough of Davey's sermons, read enough analysis, and found enough evidence to presume Davey's guilt. The statements he makes now are just icing on the cake. I've moved on to trying to understand why it happened and the details of how he planned murder, when he decided to kill her, what his other relationships are like. i enjoy reading the new analyses which delve deeper into Davey's ideology and persona.

So yes, you will see a lot of presumption of Davey's guilt here and a lot of speculation about the details. Some of it's crazy, but that's fine. It's just speculation. If you are not comfortable with that perhaps you should stop following. At the very least please stop monopolizing the thread asking the same questions that have already been answered.

Fm25 said...

Sorry, found enough coincidences, not evidence.

Me2l said...

rjb said...
Me21 @ 9:08 --

The belief by many commenters here that those closest to Amanda are complicit in her murder (including, IIRC, the accusation that she was viewed as a "sacrificial lamb" by the "satanic "cult" that Resonate perportedly is) is a result of inmates running the asylum. People have taken it upon themselves to solve the case with no regard for the facts, Peter's excellent and well laid-out explanations of the ideology and SA of it all, or even a basic understanding of how quickly and easily conspiracies unravel.

I dislike and distrust DB. Resonate is precisely the type of "seeker church" that I abhor. It has those who foĺlow Jesus whole-heartedly, Amanda for one as well as others who choose to avoid the spotlight. Sadly, the faithful are outnumbered by the hashtag-using, skinny-jeans wearing, soy-latte drinking crowd that have affixed themselves to a cult of personality instead of persuing the Truth.
May 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM


There was a time when many people commented here on the Blackburn case, and for the most part, the comments were thought-provoking and thoughtful with a heavy emphasis on SA.

Unfortunately, those people have left the building, whether or not it's because of the off-beat and fantastical turn the comments have taken.

I think many of the comments are inexcusable and disgraceful, with absolutely no basis. Currently, there's no evidence Davey was involved in Amanda's murder, let alone her sister or her dad.

Don't comments such as those lean a little toward being libelous?

Fm25 said...

Rosy, good points. If Amanda had confided in Amber that may explain her need to explain for Davey's benefit. There was a lot going on during the last month of Amanda's life. Amber may know more about smbfs and Davey's relationship then she is letting on. shr seems supportive of him, but imo their relationship is very superficial. Unless Amber has solid evidence of Davey's involvement, speaking out against him could make davey keep Weston from Amanda's family.

Me2l said...

Fm25, as of now, I will continue to follow the thread, and I will continue to point out the folly of your (commenters) ways. If you people can post ridiculous conspiracy theories, expect to have them questioned.

To answer your question: yes, of course I read Peter's posts. Do you? If so, we certainly glean a different perspective. Peter has said many times that Davey's comments show deception, but that deception may have nothing to do with his wife's murder.

The comment has been made here more than once that some of the commenters think they're actually here to solve a murder; prove Davey's guilt. Well, then, pay attention to what Peter writes.

rjb said...

Me21 --

Is it Me21 or Me2l? Neither looks correct in the font that I use when compared to how it appears on your posts.

This is leading nowhere. It has become nothing more than a self-congratulatory circle jerk (pardon the crudeness of the expression) in which certain posters derive pleasure from topping each bizarre theory with another cockamamie notion surrounding the details of Amanda Blackburn's personal life and relationships.

Anyone truly interested in learning from and applying what Peter has shared here for our education has jumped ship long ago. I should do the same.

HISG said...

Rosy,

You wrote

"At some time on Nov 8 Amanda texted Amber that she would pick her up at the airport (changing the plan for grandmother to do so)."

I believe she actually writes what time the text from Amanda was sent 1:30 pm (going on memory--I need to find link). This to me, is odd, and I am on same wavelength as you wondering when the flight came in. Did she receive this text in the Indy airport? I will check connecting flight times when I get home.
With the "different route" I am wondering and yes I acknowledge this is pure speculation, but I am wondering if Amber wanted to stop at someone's house/apt to get drugs. I have known addicts who will saythings like "Can you just give me a ride to my friends? I'll show you how to get there...it's just a few streets over." You would never guess they were seeking drugs unless you knew they were an addict, they are very comvincing that they just want to go to a friend's, say hi to a friend, etc. Again, this is speculation...I am not saying I believe it happened, I am just wondering. I think we do have to let the subject guide us that Amanda "took a different route" and THEN "got lost". Amber does mention her kid was crying for 10 minutes when first in car due to travel exhaustion so an unexplained change of route is odd.
I also wonder if anyone can make out the time in the corner of the surveillance video.

HISG said...

Me2l,

You wrote

"Don't comments such as those lean a little toward being libelous?"

Is this leakage you are a lawyer? Perhaps one of these people (Davey) has lawyered up with you?

smh said...

HISG/Imagrandma said...

"I simply value
Being a grandma
I am a grandma
And I am proud

May 19, 2016 at 11:58 PM"

....

Is this leakage that you're Larry Taylor's grandma? Perhaps that's why you're trying to convince everyone the thugs didn't harm Amanda?

Fm25 said...

Me21, I am not sure what Peters new conclusion is since Davey's interview with perry noble. I believe that he learned a lot from that interview. He has not yet published the conclusion in this series.

"As we look at the ideology first, the deception second, and the results of the deception, we see a personality type emerge for us. We take this with us as we analyze the words within the murder case to learn:

Do the words affirm this type?
Do the words deny this type?
Are the words indifferent?

With this answer, we then move on to the final analysis and conclusion. "

Rosy said...

Me21 -
pt 1.

I appreciate your efforts toward maintaining FOCUS. But I believe ambiguities ought to be explored. We know from DB's sermon on morning of Nov 8 that the church was failing and their marriage was in trouble. His solution was "shoot your worries" with worship as weapon - six times, Boom, with an Airsoft gun. This was crisis talk.

At some point that day, 1.30 (CA time or Indy time?) Amanda texted her sister to say she, not grandmother, would pick up her and children up from the airport. For Amanda to step in was understandable. It spared her grandmother driving a 40 mile round trip across the city to the airport and back at night in near-winter. One might wonder, though, why Davey would not make this offer or accompany his wife. Was his early-to-bed early-to-rise sleep schedule a priority? Or did Amber wish for time alone with Amber?

We know Amber's situation at this time, even especially on this day, Nov 8, was stressed, if not miserable. The Love Song Q&A, the Cincinnati trip, the Shoot your Worries sermon point to continual emotional/ psychological/ spiritual and financial pressure over a period of weeks if not months. Add to this the new pregnancy, a prime topic on Nov 9.

Rosy said...

pt 2



Amber's narrative includes "how sick [Amanda] had been feeling this pregnancy," but emphasizes fun and happiness.

"We had the BEST day on Monday. We met after Weston's morning nap at our most favorite place - the indoor PARK at Trader's Point Church. We have been there so many times. We sat on a park bench as we watched our kids play and talked about everything - life, Resonate, her precious baby and how sick she had been feeling this pregnancy, baby names, baby nursery ideas, Thanksgiving, Vanilla Wafers, the $15.00 GIGANTIC Christmas tree she bought at a garage sale and just put up a few days before, how she broke the news to Davey about their new baby, how MUCH Weston loves to play basketball, how much fun she's been having being a mom....."

Amber excludes any question of serious worries or troubles. The delayed mention of breaking the news to Davey about the new baby indicates a glitch, though. It comes out of expected order, near the end of this passage, after Amanda has been portrayed as coping on her own for some time with all the rest including feeling "so sick" with the pregnancy.

Amber switches back into happy talk with emphasis on harmony between DB and AB:

"We spent the rest of the day shopping, drinking our favorite Starbucks drinks, running errands, and finally finishing the day with a family dinner at my grandparent's house. I will never forget watching Davey chase Weston around the living room as Amanda sat on the couch and laughed - she truly had the BEST laugh. THAT is one of the moments I replay in my mind so often - just a perfect reminder of how MUCH she loved her family.

The form of the narrative communicates that the sisters maintained privacy between themselves about issues raised in their conversation that day. It conveys that neither of raised these issues with DB let alone confronted him or took him in hand to hold him accountable for leaving his wife to carry burdens associated with her second "precious baby." DB is portrayed as left free to "play" at being a fun husband and father, chasing Weston round the living room.

"It was finally time for her to go home. She was holding Weston in her arms as Davey loaded the car. I didn't even hug her goodbye because her arms were full, and we would be hanging out again the next day - Tuesday, November 10. I regret that decision every single day. If only I knew that would be the last time I ever saw my precious sister. It is a moment frozen in time - and one I will ALWAYS remember."

Early the next morning, DB drove to his gym (how did he afford that when they were worried about finances?). He left his front door unlocked when he left, and when he returned he sat in the driveway on the phone for almost an hour. Publically, he has never expressed any regret for those decisions comparable to Amber's regret over failure to hug Amanda that one last time.

I do think it makes sense to ask, what happened overnight at the Blackburn's house on Sunnyvale after they arrived home?

Rosy said...

Corrections - pt 1: ^^ or did Amanda wish for time alone with Amber? ^^

We know ^^Amanda's ^^ situation at this time, even especially on this day, Nov 8, was stressed,

Bobcat said...

Rosy,

"I do think it makes sense to ask, what happened overnight at the Blackburn's house on Sunnyvale after they arrived home?"

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Davey was on the couch, reading and clearing the history on Amanda's phone, as well as burning pages from her journals.

Rosy said...

Bobcat,

interesting. Anything he wanted to get rid he could have put in the gym bag. Possibly related to question of why he mentioned grabbing the gym bag.

Rosy said...

As to what happened overnight I'm wondering at this point whether Amanda's one-on-one conversations with Amber Nov 8 and Nov 9 prompted her to raise some dangerous sort of topic with DB that night.

Like could he not be more supportive, given how sick she was feeling? Or, when could they sit down and have a serious productive talk about church failure and finances? Or, was the shoot your worries sermon helpful? Or, could they put some of her baby nursery ideas into action? Or, how about if he cancelled his gym membership to save a few bucks?

Did Amanda let slip that she had aired some grievances or anxieties with Amber, triggering anger in DB over "gossip" about his precious self's failings?

In other words, did they quarrel? Did DB get up early and leave the door unlocked because he was in a huff or a rage? Did he talk and talk so long to his bosom buddy Kevin as a way of calming his anger or to cover up what happened next?

Is his deceptiveness a cover-up for his banal domestic failures, or more than that?

I tend to think, the former. Where Amber chose to speak openly of her regret for failure to hug her sister goodbye that night before, DB, dishonestly, chooses to bury any strain, conflict, strife or turmoil that took place in the last few days and hours of the marriage.

This does not mean necessarily that he had a hand in her death.

HISG said...

Rosy, Good post.

How come Amber does not mention anything about Gram/Gramps or her own kids once they are at dinner at Gram/Gramps? No mention of what Grandma made for dinner either or any last interactions btwn Amanda and Ambers kids or Amanda and grandparents. Could Amber have been with them without her kids at Amanda's house or some other location?

HISG said...

Also, what was Davey "loading the car with"? Could he have been loading the car with Ambers (and her kids) luggage which could indicate Amber stayed at Davey and Amanda's and was being driven to Grandparents by Davey?
Could her use of the phrase "Amanda took a different route" make more sense if in fact Amanda deviated from the normal route to her (Ananda's) house rather than grandparents?

Leslie said...

Rosy (& HISG),

Although I tend to shy away from conspiracy or "outlandish" theories, you have both given me pause in your analyzations and impressions of Amber's words (But, I am not saying that I think she was involved in any way with the murder!) My hunch is that, as Rosy suggested, Amanda might have requested alone time with Amber, to say things in confidence. Yes, Amber's baby was crying the first ten minutes; all the more reason to take a different and longer route to their grandmother's house, so the baby could sleep and they could talk longer.

A different part from Amber's fb post popped out at me:

"I will never forget watching Davey chase Weston around the living room as Amanda sat on the couch and laughed - she truly had the BEST laugh. THAT is one of the moments I replay in my mind so often - just a perfect reminder of how MUCH she loved her family."

Although it makes sense that Amber wanted to cherish fond memories with Amanda, I wonder why she would think she needed reminders of how much Amber loved her family? I would think that goes without saying (but, I've never lost a sibling). If Amanda confided marital issues to Amber on their longer drive home, and the next day at their favorite place, the indoor playground, she might be trying to remember happy times between Amanda and Davey...especially if some of what Amanda confided haunted her. We've all put positive spins on things at some point, for the sake of others, and for ourselves.

And, then, there's the word "perfect." Perhaps the word perfect is not sensitive, but, we know those who try to present as perfect families are hiding something.

Perhaps I'm naive, but, I seriously doubt that Amber asked to stop at a friend's "to say hi," while actually scoring drugs.

- - - - - - - - -

As for Davey being a CI. That thought had never occurred to me (But, I watched Dateline's "Informant"). The possibility of DB abusing steroids, or another drug, has been brought up before, due to his pumped up and more muscular appearance in recent years, as as a way that he might have met thugs. I could actually see that happening. And, I also found the pressor as very unusual.

If Davey was caught purchasing drug, became an informant, but had no knowledge of the planning or execution of Amanda's murder, would he have left their front door open? And, similarly, wouldn't he have been scared sh*tless for he and Weston, after Amanda was killed, and the killer(s) had not been found and arrested?

If Amanda's murder was a result of Davey being a CI, that could explain Amanda being shot execution style.

If this theory were true, wouldn't DB be put under witness protection (or is that only for bigger cases?)?

- - - - - - - - -

I realize I'm not applying SA. However, I am very interested in the case, can be relentless in searching and researching, can (usually) apply logic, and greatly appreciate Peter's posts and providing a venue for interested people to post.

Me2l said...

HISG.....Oh. My. GollyGee! Grandma is in on it?????

GASP

rjb, it is Me2l (as letter 'l'). The number and letter do look interchangeable on here at times, but not always. Odd.

HISG said...

Another observation: Amber is detailed about conversations, interactions in car and at indoor park but once at the "grandparents" all she gives us is one image of Davey chasing Weston around the living room, Davey loading a car, Amanda's arms being full and her failure which she regrets to hug Amanda. In other words, there is much life and animation in the car and the indoor park descriptions. AT the "Grandparents" house, it is more of an abstraction, she is really not painting much of a picture when THAT was actually the VERY last time she saw her sister. I am not sure what to make of that.

HISG said...

Me2l,

Where the hell did you get that I think the Grandma is in on it? THAT is NOT what I was thinking and noone in their right mind would have gotten that out of what I wrote you friggin moron.

My point was that they may not have been at the grandparents for dinner but rather at Amanda and DAveys and no grandparents there.

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