Thursday, May 26, 2016

Did Casey Anthony Have Sex With Jose Baez?

This from a recent report in MSM:  Casey Anthony paid attorney Jose Baez in sex.

Kimberly Gilfoyle, for Fox News, asked Jose Baez about it.  She asked him if he was having an inappropriate relationship with his client, Casey Anthony. 

Baez answered her:

"I’m not going to dignify that with an answer. I am not going to even dignify that with an answer.”

We learn that the question, itself, is sensitive to him.  Had it come from 'left field' a sensitivity to it might have come from being caught off guard, but the jail had stated that Baez refused to heed warnings.  

Some questions can be so bizarre that one may refuse to answer simply because they do not wish to dignify the question with an answer. 

Is this question one such?

Contextual View 

1.  Jose Baez was 'sanctioned' by the jail for repeated failure to follow policy and keep his hands off of Casey.  No amount of correction or warning would cause him to stop touching her. 

2.  Jose Baez was regularly photographed cuddling with Casey Anthony.  In spite of these very public displays of affection making the news, he refused to stop. 

3.  Then, the public learned that Casey Anthony was spending up to 6 hours a day in his small office.  She arrived in the late morning and left in the late afternoon, day after day.  

This puts his refusal to answer in context. 

His Statement 

The first point of sensitivity is the refusal to answer the question.  The question, itself, is 'sensitive', that is, important to him.  In his refusal to answer, we find:

The second point of sensitivity:  repetition. 


Thirdly,  in the repetition, he sought more emphasis, by adding the word, "even" though it not necessary.  This repetition showed further consideration given to the question.   This is a need to persuade, or a 'need to call in reinforcements' verbally, to his refusal to answer.  

The word "dignity" is repeated.  Thus news stories of his personal life followed including possible divorce and foreclosure.  His court room technique of obfuscation was anything but dignified.  

As to the question, he refused to say "no"  and it is in context that one may draw the conclusion that the question, itself, was not inappropriate.  

Casey Anthony, herself, said friends asked if "she was gonna hit it"; her reference to sex with Baez.  

Analysis Conclusion:  From the photographs and length of time they spent alone at his office, as well as her reputation for promiscuity, many people thought they were involved.  Baez' statement strengthens the assertion that is now made by the private investigator who has brought this public. 

update:  Baez issues denial:

"I unequivocally and categorically deny exchanging sex for my legal services with Ms. Anthony. I further unequivocally and categorically deny having any sexual relationship with Ms. Anthony whatsoever.I have always conducted my practice consistent with the high ethical standards required of members of the Florida Bar. My representation of Ms. Anthony was no exception.  Legal action is forthcoming," 

Besides being unreliable as a denial he should not have based his denial on his practice.  It is interesting to note how many times he was publicly inconsistent with the high ethical standards required of the Florida Bar.  

To "deny" is to refuse acceptance.  It is not the same as saying "I didn't" but it is a refusal to accept the allegation.  It is a way of avoiding a denial, by a form of 'describing' a denial.  

The additional wording is unnecessary and further weakens any attempt at denial.  It is interesting that he feels the need to first deny the use of sex as currency, and then to deny (unnecessarily?) sex with Casey Anthony.  

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The Casey Anthony jury has likely had impact on many cases since its verdict came in and shocked the nation.  

The judge took no steps to combat the perjury by Cindy Anthony, further emboldening criminal behavior and contempt for authority in general.  This further emboldened defense attorneys to use the technique of 'confusion' and 'overload' to juror with ever decreasing educational standards and attention spans. 

It does not speak well for justice in cases we have covered which could have been prosecuted.  

30 comments:

GeekRad said...

Not only was his denial unreliable, he declined to comment on the allegation that he told the investigator that Casey had killed Caylee and where to look for her body. It will be interesting to see how he responds to that allegation. The outcome of this case has no doubt impacted countless other cases and resistance by prosecutors to prosecute.

GeekRad said...

Baez has responded to the allegation that he told the investigator Casey killed Caylee. I was unable to copy it so here is the link.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article79827452.html

Anonymous said...

Can you do an analysis of Trump's statements that his hair is his own, grown from hgis own head? I saw this article: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/25/today_s_trump_apocalypse_watch.html
and it certainly raises questions. Obviously this is not a pressing issue as far as his electability, except for this:

"Trump's absurd hair is the synedoche of his entire being, easily the most memorable thing about him, his avatar; he has claimed ardently for years that it's real and not a wig. He has basically staked his entire reputation on the claim that his hair is real. Press scrutiny of his dishonest claims about other subjects, meanwhile, has been constant for months."

Nic said...

I unequivocally and categorically deny exchanging sex for my legal services with Ms. Anthony.

He doesn't assign sex to Anthony. He presents the transaction as if he and Anthony are bartering for sex with a third party.

He avoids answering the question by distancing Anthony from sex.

Nic said...

"I further unequivocally and categorically deny having any sexual relationship with Ms. Anthony whatsoever."

I believe him. It was a business arrangement involving sex. It was not a "relationship", presuming relationship is what he considers he has with his wife.

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 9:46, the article you link doesn't quote Trump, but references a third party's report.

lynda said...

I posted in the other thread that he is using the Bill Clinton defense.

He was accused of saying she owed him 3 blowjobs.

He denies sex
He denies sexual relationship

It wasn't either, it was just a blow job.

Anonymous said...

This new breaking news that her Firefox browser searches never entered the courtroom is appalling. Mostly because I remember hearing about it long before the trial. It was on the news. All the news.


You can be arrested for lying in court. Why can't lawyers be arrested? Baez lied, lied,lied.

Anonymous said...

He denies "having" [current tense] any sexual relationship with her. However, he does not speak to, nor deny, "having had" [past tense] such a relationship.

The Sheep said...

Baez is a sleazy attorney who has, arguably, had great success in that regard. He told that bullshit drowning story. He's a 10%-er when it comes to deception: he got more than a blowjob.

Lis said...

The only impact this should have on other cases is, if you put the death penalty on the table, expect the anti-death penalty activists to come out of the woodwork and do whatever it takes to defeat the case.

I am not in favor of the death penalty myself, mainly because, as this case illustrated, juries can be terribly wrong and even dishonest. There are many wrongful convictions every year. But I abhor the use of dishonesty and manipulation in service of a cause.

If the death penalty had not been brought out, CA would have been represented by a public defender and most likely found guilty.

Anyways, now that the truth is out about this, do you think they would not have stooped to jury tampering?

Lis said...

from GeekRad's link:

Baez called the statements “ridiculous.” He said Dominic Casey volunteered his services as a private investigator. After meeting with Casey twice, Baez said, he decided not to work with him.

“It’s absolutely, 100 percent false,” Baez said. “He’s the last person in the world that I would share an attorney-client relationship with.”


"ridiculous" does not mean untrue.

"It's absolutely, 100 percent false

nothing reliable here...

Anonymous said...

I always wondered why Casey, her parents and Baez weren't charged with obstruction after telling that story years later that Caylee drowned and they all knew it but didn't enlighten the police? Shame on everyone involved in that case. The judge too. He let it all happen.

snap said...

"I unequivocally and categorically deny exchanging sex for my legal services with Ms. Anthony. I further unequivocally and categorically deny having any sexual relationship with Ms. Anthony whatsoever.I have always conducted my practice consistent with the high ethical standards required of members of the Florida Bar. My representation of Ms. Anthony was no exception. Legal action is forthcoming,"

I agree with Nic: RELATIONSHIP is the key word. Kinda like "sexual relations" but not with the legal sense that Clinton used. Though Baez is not as smart as slick willy. Though Baez is smart enough to know how dumb most people are. And that is more than the prosecution can say for itself.

"deny having" I think is important. Does not deny having had (in the past); just denies the present moment. He denies at this moment having a (sexual) relationship with Xanny(Xantax)-the-Nanny-hiring-former-mommy.

And as mentioned: the way he conducts his legal practice (as opposed to the rest of his life); is revealing by its intentional specificity.

http://thelawdictionary.org/relationship/ .....RELATIONSHIP: "A particular type of connection existing between people related to or having dealings with each other."

Of course, "particular" then leaves you hanging.

Total creep. Not an Oxford Scholar; but, but a people smart and media savvy opportunist.

I think the use of "legal services" is kinda interesting too: it's not "legal counsel" or something lofty and/or neutral. Instead, therefore, I read "legal service" and think: "sexual service"... you know: quid pro quo.

snap said...

Also, Lawyers can be pretty on-the-clock or off-the-clock in their mental compartmentalization- or hat they chose to don in the moment. The are a different person at a different, discretely defined time.

So what Baez is doing with Casey off-the-clock may not count.

May not count as "practice" time being held to an ethical standard in his mind-- and that is all that counts: what counts is what he chooses to construe as his best understanding of the whacked word-dances within the lines of Floridian legalese.

His Representation of her was no exception. His Representation. What about when he was not representing her? Was that exceptional?

And it may count even less if she is doing it to him without formal request/contract/understanding and so forth. Virtual victim. Poor guy.

Also, his use of "always" is compensation. Plus the twice use: "unequivocally and categorically"

Even: "Exchanging Sex" makes me question. Exchanging. Not trade. This makes me think he was not necessarily passive in the "exchange"

Lemon said...

I would like to know his definition of "sexual relationship".

Also, " I have always conducted my practice consistent with the high ethical standards required of members of the Florida Bar." Here "practice" is unexpected. The expected is "myself" as in I have always conducted myself etc. The question is of his actions, not those of his practice. He distances himself from the accusation with his use of his 'practice'.

I'm relieved to know his law practice did not have a sexual relationship with that woman, Casey Anthony.

Good grief.

tania cadogan said...

off topic

A body found has been positively identified as a missing woman whose boyfriend has been arrested for her murder in Texas.

Police and the FBI say the body of Jessie Bardwell, 27, was found in a wooded area in northeast Collin County just before 6pm on Thursday.

Bardwell was reported missing on Mother's Day when she failed to call her mother or step-mother.

Police said she last appeared on surveillance video at the gym within her Richardson apartment complex.

Her boyfriend, Jason Lowe, 27, was arrested and charged with her murder last week after police searched his car and found a pool of blood and the smell of 'decaying flesh' inside.

When Bardwell was first reported missing, Lowe, who shared the apartment with her, told cops that she left earlier in the day on Mother's Day - May 8 - when they arrived to do a welfare check on her at the request of her father.

Bardwell's father told police that he hadn't heard from his daughter in the two and a half weeks before Mother's Day and was worried since she didn't call his wife or her mother on that day.

Investigators returned to the apartment the next day and grew suspicious when they saw both Lowe and his car covered in mud, with Lowe wearing the same clothes from the day before.

When Lowe got out of the SUV, he told police that his girlfriend never came home so he went out to look for her on some of the paths off President George Bush Turnpike that she frequented.

He told police that initially he wasn't worried about her not returning for hours because they 'lead a lifestyle where they both do their own thing without being co-dependent'.

Lowe gave the officers permission to look through a Dodge Ram he owns, and they found two guns in a black bag. He also let them look around his garage and the apartment, and they left after finding nothing more suspicious.

While speaking to Lowe, officers noticed that he had lines of a white-powdery substance resembling cocaine lined up on a saucer in the kitchen, near a tightly rolled piece of paper.

Officers next asked to look through the home once more, as well as the garage. While Lowe initially asked them to stay out of the garage, he eventually relented.

When they were finally able to search through the car four days later, they found a pool of blood in the back of the car, giving them enough evidence to make an arrest.

They also remarked that there was 'a distinct smell of decayed flesh was found to be emitting from the garage area'.

They then took Lowe into custody, arresting him first on cocaine possession charges. The next day, when officers returned and found yet more evidence of blood throughout the vehicle and a bullet hole in the wall of the garage, Lowe was officially charged with murder and ordered held on $1million bond.

Records show that Lowe was previously arrested on May 29, 2015 for aggravated assault causing serious bodily injury.

His then-girlfriend at the time accused him of assaulting her to the point that she lost consciousness. It's unclear if the alleged victim in that incident was Bardwell.

The couple are believed to have started dating before she moved to north Texas in December 2015.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3611853/Body-missing-27-year-old-woman-week-boyfriend-arrested-murder-Texas.html

Anonymous said...

Slore earned her name, Mr. Bayice confirmed her to the viewers.

He was documented (by corrections staff) in her stints behind bars.

He was wrist slapped more than once.
Siting his behavior unprofessional
he " her counsel" when she was behind bars,... He used her.
She used him. Neither one cared. Caylee was murdered.
Neither one cared, The Jury didn't care,.. Caylee Who

The Sheep said...

He used her.
She used him. Neither one cared.


The were gettin their share...

Working on some
Night moves

Hey Jude said...

Nothing would surprise me about Casey Anthony. They are both nauseating characters - they deserve each other.

snap said...

Seger turned sinister.

Ouch.

Z'all good
zo long nobody hurt

But somebody was.

Song does not apply.

thumbelina said...

This whole thread makes me sad. I hope it isn't true. I remember thinking he was such a great attorney for her even though most thought she was guilty. I urge you to read Dr. Keith Ablow's book about Casey Anthony.

tania cadogan said...

A better question would be, is there anyone casey did not have sex with?

~Heads off to the naughty corner~

Peter Hyatt said...

naughty hobs with her shaming!

Don't you know that shame used to help correct things, but now it is illegal?

Peter Hyatt said...

Blogger thumbelina said...
This whole thread makes me sad. I hope it isn't true. I remember thinking he was such a great attorney for her even though most thought she was guilty. I urge you to read Dr. Keith Ablow's book about Casey Anthony.

Thumbelina,

He is limited in intellect, cannot follow an argument and has no morals.

He deliberately confused the case, and lied with impunity, even in the months leading up to the trial.

He is public now, and as such, he is one of the most devious we get to see. He did not laugh at a child rape victim like attorney Hillary did but I would not put it past him. Dirty dealing and perversion of justice.

Trading sex for services? That's pocket change for Baez.

thumbelina said...

So sad.

Anonymous said...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/31/casey-anthonys-former-attorney-calls-investigator-moron-over-sex-accusations.html?intcmp=hplnws

Hmm...the Post office?

Anonymous said...

"I have always conducted my practice consistent with the high ethical standards..."

I would laugh if it wasnt such a horrendous travesty of justice that resulted from his intensely unethical behavior. I still cannot believe that Judge Perry let him get away with spewing lies, unsupported by any evidence, in court. It was a shameful fiasco. As for whether she had sex with him, I wouldn't be surprised. Neither of them has boundaries.

Just Hit Me Up Now said...

Yes, she did! And here's the proof, click here.

Tiffany Gerik said...

This is probably crazy but I actually feel bad for Casey here. I think she was sexually abused by her father and then used by her attorney.