Monday, June 20, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder: Part Four: Narcissism

Narcissism Part IV

Before we come to the conclusion of the analysis in the murder of Amanda Blackburn, we should take one last preparatory step:  understanding narcissism in language and in homicdes. 

On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs. She passed away in the hospital twenty-four hours later. Since that day Weston and I have been walking a road I would have never chosen for us or anyone else.


For people of faith, theology and psychology are set in priority:

theology gives the answers; while psychology provides the means of studying the behavior found beneath the answers.

So it is that selfishness, to the exclusion of others and adequately defined is a "sin", and that narcissism is the means to which this sin has come into being.  All children are born inherently narcissistic, and it is that teaching, for example, human empathy, is necessary.

Unconditional love to a child is often reinterpreted as unconditional acceptance.  This leads to emotional blackmail, and to a very dissatisfied adulthood.  One one side, the love is without condition; that is, it cannot end; while the re-interpretation means no judging, no shaming and no boundaries set.  Narcissism in children is natural, and it is the expectation of good parenting to teach a child human empathy for others, sacrifice, and how to do good.  

The fascinating thing here is that when narcissism and religion meet, it is not new, nor a novelty.

In the Amanda Blackburn murder, we have seen most recently the context of which it took place:  3 young gang members entered into an unlocked door, sexually assaulted Amanda Blackburn (her clothing was moved to expose her privacy), and murdered her.

Her husband, Davey Blackburn, was at the gym, as was his wont, at this set time, and on this set day, he also habitually called his friend, another pastor, yet this time, Blackburn remained on the cell phone, in his driveway, for almost 40 additional minutes while Amanda lay bleeding out.

The question for analysis is this:

Did the husband of murder victim Davey Blackburn know his home would be invaded on this day?

It matters little, initially, how any such guilty knowledge would take place:  the first question must be answered before subsequent investigatory or analytical questions are posed, in searching for how this might have been done. 

Did he know, that very morning, that he should stay in the driveway for near 40 minutes longer?  This is critical. 

Did police 'close' this investigation far too quickly?

What would cause people to consider that he may have known that a violent, lethal home invasion was to take place?

This is where we come to the husband, and the topic of narcissism.

Those who read of this crime understood:

1.  That statistics tell us that the most likely guilty party in the murder of a pregnant woman is a man connected to her, either to her directly, or to her by the pre born baby.

2.  That Blackburn, himself, has, as an extraordinary means of information in this case, a very detailed public record of his words, via his church in which we learn a great deal of information about him, the victim, and his thoughts about the pregnancy before the crime.

3.  That Blackburn, himself, has given these public statements about the murder, and his language has caught the attention of both the world of analysts, and the untrained; sharing concern over unusual choice of wording.  This includes:

a.  complaining about the victim
b.  giving details about what upset him most; the pregnancy
c.  his priority in church numbers
d.  how his marriage and pregnancy hindered such

then, he gave a visual of him holding a gun just prior to:

Having the barrier and stressor removed from hindering his priority with...a gun.

All this, including the delay in the driveway establish 'odds' which caused investigators unrelated to the case to say, in one way or another, "No one is this lucky..." or "this defies reason."

The investigators who analyzed his statements stated that they believed Blackburn knew his house would be a target that morning.


What does the language tell us?

Narcissism and the Pronoun "we" in context.

To interpret his use of the pronoun "we" as simply narcissism or religious narcissism is to grant him the 50% discount that all deceptive individuals seek:  interpretation.  It simply is not so, contextually with him.  He shows us just how adept he is at language and how to use his strong intellect to manipulate. 

Pronouns are instinctive in the English language.  Being instinctive, they require no pre-thought and one who has deluded himself into believing that he and jesus are one, if true, would do so consistently.  We note carefully what topics provoked the subject (Davey Blackburn) to change from "I" to "we" and what topics did not.

This is not a delusional nor narcissistic use of the pronoun "we" in context.

Narcissism represents a powerful selfishness in personality.

Even the untrained report counting the number of "I" pronouns used, for example, by Barak Obama, as they report his self-congratulatory speeches.

Recently, he reported that the saved the world economy.

Narcissists are often talented and can become famous.  They are often highly manipulative and use their talent to promote themselves.

We saw in Blackburn's case, a disregard for historic Christianity, and a "front and center" aspect that is designed to promote himself, both audibly and visibly, to his audience.  He possesses a personality trait that is necessary for what he hopes to accomplish:

He declares the Bible, for example, to be of Divine origin, but has no issue "counseling Divinity"; that is, to make any changes or "corrections" that he deems useful for his ends of self publicity.  This is often seen where people, in general, become frustrated and say, "well, anyone can twist the Bible in any way to make it sound anything they want..." as if the original record had no intent of communication.

The 'jesus' he presents does not resemble the Jesus of the historical record. This is not surprising.  Whether we wish to believe it or not, human nature is religious inherently, and even those who claim there is no god create their own god, often in their own image. They, too, have a final point of arbitration in all things.   Blackburn's ideology is not new but is based upon human self love which is a departure from the very source he claims to be Divine.  It is to replace Divine love with romantic love, which is why you hear his 'jesus' or Divinity meeting him in the shower, and at his beck and call to bring fulfillment to Blackburn.

Arrogance

how "arrogant" is arrogant?

We must stay within context. 

We considered the personality type that can claim both Divine Authorship of Scripture, and a pragmatic need to alter things, to fit the agenda.  It does, in deed, take a specific type of ego to "teach God" (this is in their world) and "correct the Almighty" either in doctrine or just in practice.  It takes a very specific type of egotistical self view to hold to both views.  

 He said that his wife died for the church.  This is far more important than simply re-writing Christian theology.  His 'theology' serves but one purpose:  to serve Davey by making him the center of all things, including history, as he outshines his mentor, who himself, recognized that something was very wrong with Blackburn.

The Psychology of Divine Revelation in the Shower 

When he spoke publicly about his "shower" with Divinity he not only feigned a meeting with the Author of Scripture, but received the news that he, Davey, would be front and center (nothing unexpected here) in a history making movement.

The message was clear:  join him and be part of history, or...what would happen?

He made certain that failure would be laid at their feet; not his.

For people of faith, this claim means that Divine revelation has taken place, linguistically, outside the Scripture.  For those who believe that their Bibles are sufficient for all things, they have been mistaken.  This extra-biblical revelation must come to either:

a.  discredit the Bible itself or

b.  come to one who's ego is so inflated that he is able to know what the Scriptures teach about this topic, and supplant it with their own self.

As I wrote in the previous entry, it takes a very specific personality to make claim that the Bible is Divine in itself, and then to alter it.  This is to elevate oneself to not equality with God, but superiority.

In history, it has always been such.

Movements were born of such egomaniacs that even those who declared themselves to be the source of divine revelation to know the "end of the world" with most fizzling while others making quite a name ($) for themselves.  A consistent note is the narcissistic view but in this case, we have the acute need for sexual cleansing in the shower, along with a degree of importance that he could not only cut through the "grieving process" but could do so publicly while declaring himself central to this "history" making event. 

In this sense, "Davey so loved the church that he gave his only wife, Amanda" and police investigators should, perhaps, have slowed down the pace to learn more about the man, himself, who:

*Is statistically the most likely guilty party, whether through connection or via directness (in this case, he was directly cleared by his alibi)

*complained about his wife hindering his success

*is obsessed with success

*used deceptive language 

Davey Blackburn should have been given a polygraph to learn if he had anticipated, that very morning, that his home was going to be 'robbed', even if it does not include murder.  

Psychology 101 from "Psychology Today" with analysis or commentary in bold type:  

Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people,
Consider carefully how shocking the language was:  Amanda was not yet buried and he had already 'moved on' and was taking about his numerical success.  He showed no linguistic concern for his son, or Amanda's family.  Untrained eyes found this shocking:  how could he seem almost gleeful about the exposure and not show any words of empathy for his wife (who he distanced himself, linguistically from) or anyone else?
 and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. Narcissists may concentrate on unlikely personal outcomes (e.g., fame) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. 
Watch, for a few minutes, any one of the "Davey videos" in which he has his costumes, and his strut, and his inability to talk about any topic but himself, and his sexuality.  
The most striking?  It is difficult to choose but consider the video in which he uses subtle insult to control Amanda, or how he told his audience that Amanda was sexually inadequate for him, and to give a specific example of just how inadequate she was:  he tells how he could not bother to talk to her at a restaurant, depersonalizing her into her sex organs, of which he would have to "use" first, and then, and only then, would she be worthy of table conversation.  
Recall, he is boasting, or so he thinks, even while he reveals his narcissism. Can you imagine how you might feel to hear your daughter spoken of like this?  He showed an acute need to tell his audience, "I am so very heterosexual and my prowess is such that I cannot even hold a conversation without intercourse first..." not considering how awful this even sounds.  It is like one detached from reality, but he is not.  He is deliberate and gets no "discount" for being "Crazy Davey", the term Noble pinned on him because Noble, as a successful businessman, saw in Davey something that only a woman could fix.  You don't think his mentor has had his doubts since learning of this murder?  His best friend?  Go back and re-visit the language at the "memorial" service held to honor him, rather than remember the victim.  
If you watch a video, for no more than a few minutes, would you use the words above?
cocky?
self centered?
manipulative? 
Would you link his 'dinner sex story' with "demanding"? 
How about "grandiose"? 
Related Personality Disorders: Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic. Narcissism is a less extreme version of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Narcissism involves cockiness, manipulativeness, selfishness, power motives, and vanity-a love of mirrors. Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism.
Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. 
When someone tells you how "humble" they are, the self awareness is low.  
It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity (e.g., risky sex, bold financial decisions).
Here we have an easy to define due to the abundance of video and how often he has posted.  The use of the murder victim's diary, and the pragmatic view of success and religion also make this an 'easy to spot' where an abundance of 'sample' is readily accessed. 

From the moment Blackburn went public with his wife's death, he made each new announcement about him.  Whether he talked about any other topic, he found a way to turn it around to himself.  For months, posters have put his diary and tweets in the comments section and they are close to unreadable for the stomach to digest.  They show a consistent narcissism and a very low self awareness of just how easily 'readable' he is. 

The narcissist will do 'whatever it takes' to satisfy self, though satisfaction is never really obtained.  In domestic homicides, we find the shift in blame, responsibility as well as the subtle insulting of the victim. 

By insulting the victim, guilt is attempted to be assuaged since it affords the victim the status of having 'deserved' to die.  In this case, he wraps it in religious language, but even this, he was able to turn around and make it about his own business success.  

For this narcissistic personality, Amanda was in the way but she was never more in the way of his success but when she was pregnant.  How do I know this?  Because he said so.  

He struggled back and forth in front of the camera and audience, and even brought out a gun, just prior to her death, without thought that anyone might connect the dots.  

Did he know, that morning, that his house was to be hit?

"For us, we have nothing to hide." 

As the odds stood together with his lack of fear of the still-at-large violent killers, we had someone in tune only with his own blind ambitions, and not that of the victims, including the pre born child, and all those who loved Amanda. 

The seasoned investigators who studied his statements and repeatedly told me the same responses, the view of the narcissist was not dissimilar to others who have orchestrated the death of a spouse. 

It  is, however, his statements that tell us the most information about the case, as well as his need to distance himself from the victim, who he has subtly disparaged and attempted to turn the murder into his own profit. 

The personality of the victim's husband?

Narcissistic language easily affirmed due to video but what does he language cause us to conclude:

Did he know his house was to be targeted by criminals that day?

V.  Analysis Conclusion:  up next 

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Me2l said...

So Davey; at least, in the way he presents himself publicly.


http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html

"Narcissists have odd religious ideas, in particular believing that they are God's special favorites somehow; God loves them, so they are exempted from ordinary rules and obligations: God loves them and wants them to be the way they are, so they can do anything they feel like"


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http://www1.appstate.edu/~hillrw/Narcissism/arrogantnarcissist.html

"Arrogant/Overt:

Grandiosity--preoccupation with fantasies of outstanding success; undue sense of uniqueness; feelings of entitlement; seeming self-sufficiency
Grandiosity may manifest itself in the person's

Preoccupation with fantasies that involve personal attractiveness, power, wealth, or success
Feelings of superiority and uniqueness
Boastful, pretentious, self-centered, and self-referential behavior
Boastful exhibitionism"

What's my Diagnosis said...

"Preoccupation with fantasies that involve personal attractiveness, power, wealth, or success
Feelings of superiority and uniqueness
Boastful, pretentious, self-centered, and self-referential behavior
Boastful exhibitionism"

I have all of those traits. Is that bad? Except for boastful and self-referential. I never refer anything back to myself.

Me2l said...

Peter said:

"We considered the personality type that can claim both Divine Authorship of Scripture, and a pragmatic need to alter things, to fit the agenda. It does, in deed, take a specific type of ego to "teach God" (this is in their world) and "correct the Almighty" either in doctrine or just in practice. It takes a very specific type of egotistical self view to hold to both views. "


Fascinating ^^^^^^^^




And how intriguing:

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal45.html

"Like everything else in the narcissist's life, he mutates God into a kind of inverted narcissist. God becomes his dominant Source of Supply. He forms a personal relationship with this overwhelming and overpowering entity - in order to overwhelm and overpower others. He becomes God vicariously, by the proxy of his relationship with Him. He idealizes God, then devalues Him, then abuses Him. This is the classic narcissistic pattern and even God himself cannot escape it."

Fm25 said...

Did davey know he was to be targeted by criminals that day?
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Imo Davey's description of what happened that day is sensitive. I would expect someone with a narcissistic personality to describe in great detail the feelings of that morning. Davey struggles, changes pronouns to "you", everything is a fog except praying by bedside. Nothing is wasted. He steers the conversation away from that morning while he describes in detail several events that "prepared his heart" for this and support his claim that God allowed Amanda's murder so that davey could bring about a revival of historic proportions.

Fm25 said...

Me21, the quote you shared does not describe davey. Davey is driven by numbers and by greed. His language has shown this.

Anonymous said...

Ring any bells, Davey?

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/04/human_remains_found_in_birming.html

Me2l said...

Fm25,

That was not meant to be even a rudimentary description of Davey. It's only partially addressing the "God" aspect. Within the links I provided is much detail about that.

Anonymous said...

I think Davey prob does have NPD but as Peter pointed out, he does not hide his self-interest and lack of love for Amanda well. Why do so many of his followers eat up his bullshit?

Fm25 said...

Interesting...so i guess if it's accepted that davey is a narcissist, that's not exactly the point here. We are being asked if given what we know about Davey's personality his language causes us to believe he knew his house would be targeted that morning.

Anonymous said...

When the news of Amanda's murder broke I checked to see if DB and Amanda had Periscope accounts. They did and still do. At the time of the murder they followed each other and each other's family members. (Periscope is a live streaming app owned by Twitter)

Interestingly DB has un-followed his wife, which I find odd especially because her account remains up and is still following his. He must have access to her account because he removed everybody except him from the list showing who she follows. Amanda's profile reads "Jesus follower, proud wife of @daveyblackburn, doing what God's called me to do...the rest doesn't matter." On his account he also un-followed his family, her family and Meg, 'the friend'. Meg still follows both DB and Amanda. If Amanda's mom still follows him I'm unable to see her name in the list of people who follow him.

The only person he is currently following is @BCoop, whose profile reads, "Follower of King Jesus. Husband to @Cory_Marie. Dad to Campbell. Pastor @NewSpring. CrossFitter. BCoop provides the address to his Instagram account which turns out to be locked. Why avertise your IG account on a social media app if you're going to hide it?

In regards to DB, he certainly doesn't show evidence that he cares what people think. If he didn't have advance knowledge, he is doing a a really bad job of convincing me.

Me2l said...

Fm25, Peter devoted a good part of that blog post to NPD and it's traits of arrogance and grandiosity, so I'd say he is making an important point. If you get your eyes off me, you might find his post rather enlightening.

Fm25 said...

Me2l, I agree with peter's assessment that narcissistic language is affirmed. Moving past that, Peter asked a very specific question he would like us to consider. in all fairness we should be focusing on that to keep this thread on track. I am not sure I understand what the significance is of the article linked, but the significance of npd is not lost on me.

Anonymous said...

This is Me2l having a conversation with himselves.

Anonymous said...

Pathological Narcissism - Cult Leaders

Narcissistic Rage - Set off when the narcissist is challenged or perceives rejection.

Nine Traits of Classic Narcissism
Grandiosity
Sense of Special Uniqueness
Lack of Empathy
Fatasizes about Unlimited Success
Requires Excess Admiration
Sense of Entitlement
Exploitative, takes advantage of others
Envious of other, believes others are envious of him
Arrogant, Domineering

Five or more and you are a narcissist.

7-8 or more, alarm bells ring and danger is afoot. (Ted Bundy)

Davey rings the alarm bell.
Me2l, so do you.

Fm25 said...

Here is a link to bobcats blog with transcripts of Davey's interview at newspring.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016_04_01_archive.html?m=0

Anonymous said...

Ted Bundy wasnt a narcissist.
You wrote that post to yourself too didnt you?

Truthseeker said...

Anon wrote

"Five or more and you are a narcissist.

7-8 or more, alarm bells ring and danger is afoot. (Ted Bundy)"

Whoever wrote that made it up. Narcissists are not inherently violent or dangerous. Why are people making stuff up?

Truthseeker said...

Why are you armchair psychologists making stuff up?
How much time have you spent reading about personality disorders?
Sam's site is good, but I disagree with him on certain points.
It's hilarious to read people writing a list of 8 or 9 traits and thinking that that is all there is to diagnosing someone and then making up your own rule that NPD equals danger or violence which it doesnt automatically.

Anonymous said...

"Ted Bundy may have claimed to have been a new person before he died, but his language showed narcissistic self importance of one who still refused to acknowledge his evil committed on the earth, nor the justice of the sentence pronounced upon him."
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/10/statement-analysis-ted-bundys-final.html

Fm25 said...

"DB: Yup. So um, it was supposed to be a pretty normal Tuesday. Tuesdays are my long day and so I, I usually get up really early, so I was up at 4:30 that morning, um, spent some time with the Lord right there on my living room couch and then grabbed my gym bag and headed out the door and um I always have a conversation with my best friend, who planted a church in, in Dover Delaware, the other guy that was at that lunch, and um, so we always talk on Tuesday mornings from about seven ‘til about eight, so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, drive back to the house, finish up the conversation with him in the driveway, and I walk in, um, to, to discover my worst nightmare become reality. And um, I.. found Amanda um, facedown on the, on the floor of our living room and uh in a, in a pool of blood."
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It is important to him that we know about his weekly call with Kenneth. Interestingly he didn't mention the call with Kenneth at all in the first interview he did with pn that morning. This is a sensitive topic for him as is the topic of what happened once he entered the house.

Truthseeker said...

Anon 1107,

Yes, Ted Bundy, while admitting to many of his murders shortly before his execution, certainly did not acknowledge the evil he had committed or the justice of the sentence he received. Ted Bundy was certainly narcissistic, but I do not believe he had narcissistic personality disorder.

When Ted Bundy was in high school and college he was shy and insecure and did not exhibit narcissistic personality disorder.

I don't believe Ted Bundy was a sociopath either. If you read some of his interviews with prison psychologists you can see he had awareness that what he was doing was wrong and did feel some level of guilt about it, because he strove to minimize in his own mind what he was doing. If he was a sociopath, he would have had no need to minimize what he was doing in his own mind.

Ted Bundy was not born evil. He was exposed to extreme violence by his grandfather as a very young child. I think he internalized it, repressed it, and was actually a fairly nice person until he was in his early 20's, when he let "the bad Ted" come out. I'm not making excuses for him, I am trying to underline the point that in his case, narcissistic personality and socioopath do not explain what he did. I think Ted Bundy turned evil, and I do think Ted Bundy was aware that what he was doing was wrong and just let himself turn into a monster.

Davey I do think has NPD, but that alone doesn't explain his violence. It DOES explain so much about him including his tendency of referring everything back to himself as well as what could be an extremely disturbing element where he completely blocks what he did or had done to Amanda out of his conscious mind to the point where he walks around believing he didn't kill her or have her killed.

I have read a lot about this stuff because I am kind of fascinated by the battle between good and evil on a spiritual level in this world.

But yes, I would say Davey does have narcissistic personality disorder.

Anonymous said...

I just looked at the portion of the Ted Bundy interview linked above and see it contains parts where he is saying he came from a wonderful home. This is a lie that Ted Bundy is telling in the interview, because From about the time he was born till about age 7 he grew up in an extremely violent home.

There is reason to believe his violent grandfather was also his father and that's a whole other thing, but I don't think that that possibility is why he turned out like he did.

Bobcat said...
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Rosy said...

The term orchestrated has been used in the recent Vandervilt rape case for what the chief defendant (found guilty) did to his girlfriend.

The young man in the case did not rape the woman himself. He orchestrated rape of the woman by 2 or 3 of his football team mates. He himself sat by taking video, phoning a friend, and claiming to be too high on coke to get an erection.

He "sacrificed" a woman by "presenting" her (drugged and unconscious) for sexual assault by other men, men with whom he was invested in success through college football. The headlines tell the story:

Former Vanderbilt Football Player Who Orchestrated His Girlfriend's Gang Rape Found Guilty

Ex-Vanderbilt Football Player Found Guilty After Orchestrating and Recording the Gang Rape of His Own Girlfriend

Truthseeker said...

Bobcat,

I have no problem with people investigating Davey. I think Davey is guilty and I too feel no guilt or physiological effects from doing SA on his words or anyone associated with him.

I also do think that DAvey does have NPD, even though NPD has become a catch phrase thrown around all over the internet, Davey shows one of the true hallmarks of NPD which is that he seems to refer everything back to himself; that and the grandiosity, arrogance, etc etc.

My only real point was that with Ted Bundy, I don't believe he had NPD or that he was even a true sociopath, he was just an evil guy. And the larger point from that is just that none of these personality disorders in and of themselves CAUSE violence, just because someone has one of these disorders (even sociopathy) does not necessarily mean that they will act violently. That is much more a decision the individual makes which is pretty interesting, that even beset with personality disorders, the individual still has the ability to either be violent or not.

But with Davey, yes I do think he has NPD, and I don't say that lightly.

Me2l said...

Peter said,

Davey Blackburn should have been given a polygraph to learn if he had anticipated, that very morning, that his home was going to be 'robbed', even if it does not include murder.



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Is it known that Davey was administered no sort of polygraph? He must have been "cleared" without one, because of his "airtight" alibi?

Anonymous said...

His "airtight" alibi isn't very airtight, particularly if he hired the killers.

Rosy said...

Peter Hyatt said

at 6.16pm

"Did he know his house was to be targeted by criminals that day?"

Peter is stating the key question. Is it beyond the bounds of SA? Peter provides a close observation of multiple linguistic and behavioral signs of narcissism. Evidence of narcissism is not evidence of murder ("or who should 'scape whipping").

Bad things can happen to the advantage of narcissists without their orchestrating them. Did Davey Blackburn orchestrate this terrible crime, the murder of his wife and his preborn child?

Did he orchestrate it? Or did he let it happen and then exploit it?

Or did it happen without his knowledge and responsibility except for his negligence in leaving the front door unlocked and his selfishness in putting gym and phone call with friend above needs of his wife?

Consider the condition of the accident prone. A person can be accident prone toward themselves if conflicted about their own survival or craving care and attention from others.

Similarly, a callous narcissist or abuser may throw accidents in the path of someone close to them, subjecting them to negligence and disregard as a way of punishing them, conveying contempt, or physically hurting them.

Leaving the front door open, sitting in the driveway for 50 minutes talking to a friend when you KNOW your wife could use you company and help around the house - both of these could be ways of seeing if an accident could happen.

The husband feels like shooting his wife for getting pregnant again. He'd like to get rid of her. He cannot separate or divorce her. He cannot force her to want to divorce him. He projects his desires into delusions. In a trip to Cincinnati he prophecies, something bad is going to happen to the pregnancy. He knows it, they're entering on a "season" of hurt. Jesus is willing it for them. All she has to do to save the church - the livelihoods of the others in that trip - is surrender.

Weird stuff. Did he act on it by word or deed in the material world beyond passive-aggressive negligence in leaving the front door unlocked and engaging on that time-consuming phone call?

Rosy said...

How did the killers know the neighbor's house was empty? They acquired a vehicle in the first break-in, then made a beeline for 2830 Sunnyside Court. How did they know it was worth driving there in a stolen car? Who told them 2830 would be empty overnight?

Anonymous said...

Really not trying to be critical, but you wrote

"Leaving the front door open, sitting in the driveway for 50 minutes talking to a friend when you KNOW your wife could use you company and help around the house - both of these could be ways of seeing if an accident could happen."

And that makes absolutely no sense.

Rosy said...

^^Sunnyfield^^ Court

Rosy said...

Leaving the front door unlocked, sitting in the driveway for 50 minutes, could, or might, both be ways of distancing from the welfare of those inside the house.

Makes sense to me.

Rosy said...

I would like to hear him interviewed about normal this-worldly matters such as did he always leave the front door unlocked? Did he know his neighbor was away overnight? Did he happen to see auto lights approaching the neighbor's driveway while he was up and about before leaving for the gym? When he left for the gym and drove down Sunnyfield Ct, did he notice a car in the neighbor's driveway? Did he notice what type of car was parked? Was anyone outside her house? Were any lights on in her house? Did he notice his neighbor arriving home while he was on the phone in the driveway? Does he know Alonzo and/or Donnae? Does he know Cheese?

Bobcat said...

"Amanda died so the church could live."

5/9/2016 "She gave her life so you could have yours." (Weston)
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

1/31/2016 "C’mon, sometimes when you go through really tough stuff, man, people who used to heroize you will demonize you. Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/1312016-bring-me-ephod-sermon.html?m=1

2/21/2016 "I got it, boss. I got it taken care of. I got a guy. Don’t worry."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/02/overcoming-valleys-sermon-2212016.html?m=1



Who "had his back" UNTIL they became pregnant?

Bingo3 said...

Me2l. i also wanted to ask Peter that same thing. Do we know they didn't polygraph Davey? Do we think the police completely cleared him and are not following or interested in him at all? I sure hope there has been renewed interest especially following all of his deceptive and every evolving statements involving the Tuesday morning. I would think the excessive spending would also raise a red flag to police. I just hope that since Larry Taylor didn't want an quick trial and no one has accepted plea deals, that something else will come out. This crime was too perfectly scripted and it is in my opinion Davey was deeply involved.

From Rosy:
I would like to hear him interviewed about normal this-worldly matters such as did he always leave the front door unlocked? Did he know his neighbor was away overnight? Did he happen to see auto lights approaching the neighbor's driveway while he was up and about before leaving for the gym? When he left for the gym and drove down Sunnyfield Ct, did he notice a car in the neighbor's driveway? Did he notice what type of car was parked? Was anyone outside her house? Were any lights on in her house? Did he notice his neighbor arriving home while he was on the phone in the driveway? Does he know Alonzo and/or Donnae? Does he know Cheese?
________________________________________________________________________________________

These are all the ?'s I would like to ask also. Somehow the 3 guys knew that house was going to be empty. They drove a long way to get all the way to back of the neighborhood to end up at Sunnyfield cul-de-sac. They sat inside the neighbors house and drank beer almost as if they were waiting on DB to leave. They were on Sunnyfield for over an hour and half. This seems anything but random. Davey's language about that morning is super sensitive and has lots of missing pieces. I sure hope that IMPD will do a thorough grilling on this guy if they have not already.

Fm25 said...

I am curious about his convo with Kenneth that morning. I don't think Kenneth was involvrd, but maybe davey somehow put the idea in his head to tweet about convo. This is speculative, but I would consider if they talked about reaching more people through social media? Did davey tell him how much he enjoyed their weekly phone calls and doing life together? Davey is a master manipulator and I think more likely to have subtly put the idea in Kenneth's head then to have directly asked him to tweet about the call.

Fm25 said...

"Had no idea that there was, that there were bullet wounds, had no idea that somebody had been in my house, "
- dropped pronouns. Passivity- no idealist there were bullets wounds vs no idea she had been shot.

Bingo3 said...

FM, that has always been my thought on the whole Kenneth tweet. I believe he was manipulated to tweet it. I believe DB is absolutely a master manipulator.

Hey Jude said...

It is a great puzzle - how much of Davey's suspicious language and behaviour stems from narcissism - some of it, or could it be all of it? If we were to look at his every statement and sermon viewing his words as the product of narcissism, would it all be explicable, or would he still appear suspicious? What is 'the expected', from a narcissist?

So, he comes home to discover Amanda had been shot in the head...that is a contradiction of the claim he made earlier, that he had no idea that Amanda had been shot, no idea anyone had been in his house. Here he tells us that he discovered Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion. It is very passive language - no-one is referred to as having shot Amanda. I would like to know if he is also saying he can home in order 'to discover' that - that's the reason he came home? Would that be too much to read into it, or is that something he unintentionally disclosed

Fm25 said...

bingo, yes he is and likely derives pleasure from the art of manipulating those who he deems inferior to him. Part of the thing that makes this case so intriguing is that davey has surrounded himself with so many people who subscribe to the ideology and are blind to his manipulation that he may not realize how inappropriate his statements have been and how much he gives away with his language. From a s/a perspective davey is the gift that keeos on giving.

Ali said...

Did he know his house was to be targeted by criminals that day?

Well, considering he sat inhis driveway for nearly an hour until the ONLY OTHER PERSON IN THE STREET TO BE ROBBED came home before he called 911... I would say, yes.

Bingo3 said...

Fm25, absolutely! Spot on! His distortion of scripture and Christianity is so overwhelming but he has manipulated his followers to believing every false word that spews from his mouth. His narcissistic personality seeps out of every blog, interview, church performance, etc. Notice on his Instagram, he is putting his own quotes up and getting so many likes and comments. I don't understand half of them. He barely ever quotes scripture, only his own crazy sayings. You are right, from an SA perspective, it truly is a gift that keeps giving.

Rosy said...

Ali said...
at 9:01 AM

Did he know his house was to be targeted by criminals that day?

Well, considering he sat in his driveway for nearly an hour until the ONLY OTHER PERSON IN THE STREET TO BE ROBBED came home before he called 911... I would say, yes.
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Yes, well put.

lynda said...

I don't think there is any question that CD is a narcissist.
Peter said,
" "Davey so loved the church that he gave his only wife, Amanda"

Thank you Peter! THAT is what has been bugging me the whole time and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. For awhile, I thought that Davey was saying that Amanda CHOSE this murder so that she could advance Davey's churh (and I do think he HAS said that) but what is really at the top is that Davey had turned the "Davey and Amanda story" into the "God and Jesus" story. He, Davey, being God of course, and Amanda being Jesus as she is sacrificed.
"God so loved the world that he gave his only son...

CD is convincing people (basically all his flying monkeys) that Amanda had NO choice. This was preordained. There was no saying "NO" because it HAD to happen to change the world. Even in the Garden, Jesus STILL had a choice. We know he struggled, he was unsure, he asked of the Father, "Do I really have to do this, I don't want to, nobody is even sitting with me or staying up with me, I've been abandoned, etc. But then Jesus made the CHOICE that yes, it had to be done. This was his purpose.
Davey has never, to my knowledge, spoken of the free will of man. Everything HAD to happen. They were powerless to stop it and that is why God didn't give them a "choice" cuz Davey would have said no. Amanda would have said no.
Doesn't this enter the delusional? Davey, when speaking like this is actually saying he is "God" and Amanda, his wife, HAD to be sacrificed. He says it so many times that she gave her life for the church, for Weston, for the average Joe, so they could come into HIS church. Not any church. HIS church. So HE could have many more butts in the seat, so HE could surpass PN as far as congregants and money rolling in from tithing.
The more Davey talks, the more frightening and obvious it becomes that he knew SOMETHING. I was the one that caught in Daveys blog about Weston that, "and when she put you to bed that is the last time you saw your mommy." How does he KNOW that? He couldn't possibly know that Weston didn't see Amanda on that morning unless there was already a plan in place that omitted Weston. That kept Weston in his bedroom while things went down.
Davey had his buddy tweet about their conversation, something that they had never done before and then the day of the murder they do?? To much "coincidence" as it drove home CD's alibi.

lynda said...

continued..

Did Davey know Alonzo? I believe so..either thru the high school/middle school where he coached or directly thru Tweezy. I'm going to go thru Tweezy since that connection was immediately removed right after the murder. Why do that if "we" have nothing to hide?
Did Davey know that his house was going to be invaded that day? YES. He even told the police that he left the door unlocked. Who remembers they left the door unlocked? Don't you FORGET whether or not you locked the door? The thugs strolled right up to his front door and walked in. They KNEW it was unlocked. The home 2 door down, they entered from the rear. Why change that now? The thugs entered shortly after Davey left. They knew he was leaving. Davey called 911 as "soon as he could" because she was "still breathing". She wasn't supposed to be. I can only imagine his panic when he found out she was still breathing. The thugs conveniently take Davey's computer. The computer where he planned and plotted and communicated with AB most likely. You can never really erase what has been done on a computer, so the computer HAD TO GO. Untraceable now. Davey will never be tripped up by what was on his computer. They took nothing else from the home. Davey sat out in the driveway for 40 minutes WAITING to make sure Amanda was turning cold by the time he went in the house. He saw his neighbor come home and THAT is when he decided to enter because he KNEW his neighbor had been robbed and would be calling the police. Davey's 911 call, as soon as he could call that is, DID NOT relay to the dispatcher that an ambulance would be needed. He couldn't say that as she was still breathing. More time wasted. It was over 20 minutes before any type of medical aid got there and only after LE called for it when they got to the house.
I am afraid LE bungled this from the get go. They let Davey LEAVE the scene, with his clothes, and the first interview took place in the hospital, where Davey was in scrubs having ditched his clothing. LE released the crime scene within 24 hours...more like 12 hours, so Davey could immediately have it scrubbed down. The list goes on.
Did Davey know his house was going to be broken into? YES YES YES

Me2l said...

If there is even a remote connection of any sort between Davey and the thugs, can LE ignore that? I would think that would be closely investigated right away. Even (or maybe especially) to the casual observer, Amanda Blackburn's murder appears to be marked by coincidences. A tenuous, remote connection of Davey to the thugs would be just one more coincidence, but maybe the most important.

Bobcat said...

"...walked in my house, and, and found Amanda, and honestly, um, I, I think it was by the grace of god that I had no idea what had happened."
"had no idea that somebody had been in my house"
"No idea, um, who these, who these guys were."
https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

"Had NO idea she’d been shot, had no idea"
"I didn’t know anything about it."
https://newspring.cc/sermons/youve-got-what-it-takes/youve-got-what-it-takes-to-get-through-this

"I helped Jesus present her to the Father"
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/

"Can I tell you something guys? I wasn't ready for any of this. I didn't know this was going to happen. I didn't know I was going to find my wife on Nov. 10th and I didn't know that national media outlets were going to be shoving cameras in my face two days later. I had no idea."
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/home-run-life-week-6-win-results/

"I had no idea what had just happened"
http://www.pastorresources.com/davey-blackburn-working-through-grief/#comment-1106

"Um, had, had NO idea that it would be something this, um, this traumatic."
https://vimeo.com/169442837

Bad Juju said...

Lynda, it's pretty darn easy to remember you left the door unlocked if you do it every day, no?

Your statement about it taking 20 minutes for medical aid is a fabrication. EMTs arrived 8 minutes after Davey called 911, and it took another 14 minutes for police to arrive after that, even though the Blackburns lived less than 2 miles from the police station. Weird, huh? Considering that police were called to the neighbor's house before Davey ever called 911, you'd think SOMEONE from IMPD would have arrived in the neighborhood sooner than that. Was there confusion with dispatch? An unexpected delay that caused the EMTs to have to request the presence of LE even though they should have already been enroute to the neighborhood?

If Davey knew police were on the way to the neighbor's house, what would be the purpose of trying to keep them from his own house? A robbery with no injuries would be a much lower priority, and police that arrived for that call would have put that on hold and gone to the Blackburns once the call was made by EMTs that Amanda was assaulted.

If, as you say, Davey did not tell 911 an ambulance was needed, why did they send one immediately?

Do you know that the computer has not been found? Do you know that LE didn't take Davey's clothes after he changed into scrubs? Where are you getting the info that Davey "ditched" his clothing?

Fm25 said...

I didn't know this was going to happen. I didn't know I was going to find my wife on Nov. 10th and I didn't know that national media outlets were going to be shoving cameras in my face two days later. I had no idea."
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This is the closest attempt I have seen at a denial of involvement, but is it a reliable denial?

Fm25 said...

Bad juju, "If Davey knew police were on the way to the neighbor's house, what would be the purpose of trying to keep them from his own house? "
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Maybe he wasn't ready to talk to police yet. He managed to avoid them until they came to hospital. Perhaps something didn't go as planned and davey needed some extra time to figure things out. His 911 call would be very telling. If he didn't indicate a home invasion on that call then i wouldn't expect it to be significant to the prosecution of the suspects awaiting trial.

Bobcat said...

There are three sermons that are yet to be fully transcribed, so there could very well be more valuable quotes from Davey to be analyzed.

5/1/2016
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/home-run-life-week-5-win-with-others/
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/05/512016-home-run-life-week-5-win-with.html?m=1

6/12/2016
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/warrior-week-2-choose-for-yourself/
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/6122016-warrior-week-2-choose-for.html?m=1

6/20/2016
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/warrior-week-3-do-hard-things/
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/6202016-warrior-week-3-sermon.html

Me2l said...

A bit of an off topic question:

Do any commenters here occasionally find that some principles of SA contradict their own experience(s)?

If so, what is the explanation for that?

I will give a couple of personal examples.

1. Anthropomorphizing of inanimate objects is apparently a red flag for deception.

That strikes me as odd based upon my own speech patterns. Maybe it's cultural, but I refer routinely to inanimate objects "sitting" on the table, etc.

"The pot is sitting on the cabinet."

"The cushions are lying on the floor."

"The stove was sitting in the corner of the room."

It's the way "we" speak every day language around here (where I'm from). It is common, not unexpected, as well as being grammatically correct.

So.....when I say, "My tennis racket is lying in the back seat of the car", it doesn't mean I have anything to hide or that it's unreliable or deceptive. It's the way I speak.

Don't speaking patterns need to be known or understood by the statement analyst before the principle can be applied?

2. Without dredging up unpleasantness, I will use my recent experience here as an example of flawed analysis.

Now, I realize this will be offensive, but I have a legitimate concern about it because of the obvious error.

I've been analyzed through SA as issuing unreliable denials of various things. Knowing that my denials are honest, because of course, I know the truth about myself, I'm more than a bit puzzled by those applying the principle of (for instance) "never" and through that "proving" my denial was deceptive, when I know it was not.

This makes me wonder if it's the SA principle, itself, or the inexperience of the person applying it.

Admittedly, I am learning as I go, but those two examples are prime for me because of the obvious error.

I'm not sure what I'm missing with those, although the more I read of Peter's lessons here, I do realize it's not as simple as it seems to be as we all attempt to apply it.




mom2many said...

I am very new to statement analysis myself, but I think what I see people here trip over most regularly is that an unreliable denial=deception, or any flag is an automatic signal of deception. Flags are indicators of sensitivity, which clue the analyst where to focus attention. When several flags are grouped closely around a subject, the sensitivity increases. Peter states repeatedly that we can't judge based on one flag.

In regard to how you speak about objects, I believe Peter's lesson focused on using anthropomorphic language as a signal of closeness with the object. Things that belong to you or someone you know, or that you have used, would be indicated with anthropomorphic positioning, as in your examples. It is a subtle clue that a subject knows more about an object than has been revealed.

Peter, am I on the right track?

Bobcat said...

Describing the position of an inanimate object can also be an indication that the subject placed the item in that position.

In relation to Davey Blackburn, he has described finding Amanda laying on the floor.

She was "still breathing", but was incapable (though not completely inanimate) of moving herself anywhere.

Did Davey place Amanda where he found/discovered her?

Bobcat said...

...and then called 911 "as soon as he could"?

Fm25 said...

I think there may be some differences in language depending on what region someone is from. However the more someone speaks, the more we know in terms of expected language. So for instance, when davey describes the morning of Amanda's murder it is in sharp contrast to the way he describes the morning before when he peaked around the door and found Amanda kneeling in prayer and leading the way to surrender. We do not expect for him to drop pronouns, or minimize any of the details. This was an important moment in his story, but he shows distancing language.

Me2l said...

Could shock and grief not play a factor?

Also, if Davey is a narcissist or has NPD, the major trait IS distancing from others because of a lack of empathy, which is the hallmark of NPD B

Me2l said...

The more I read of past SA blogs, the more I see to learn!!

mom2many said...

In this statement, Davey came home "to discover" Amanda. Davey has also said he came home "to shower." It is notable that he changed his language in this way. Did "to discover" hit too close to the truth, so he covered by using "to shower" in other statements?

I found the Facebook connections, and forwarded them on to LE at the time. It was several weeks before the Treezy link was scrubbed, not immediately. Facebook has an option that can show you details about friend connections. If you compare two users, you can see how many friends they have in common. If the users are friends themselves, you can see how long they have been friends, what month the friendship started. Using racial profiling, I selected non-white friends and compared them with the known accounts of the "KILT" gang members. More than a handful of Davey's friends came up with "KILT" connections. Most of the people who were friends with Davey were not friends with each other, but would have dozens or hundreds of friends in common with the thugs. None of these people were friends with Amanda (correction, I remember one woman was friends with Amanda for over a year). Most of the friendships began *that* November. So for some reason, either Davey was accepting friend requests from gangbangers immediately in the wake of his wife's death, or in the 9 days prior he was making these connections. At least, he was accepting them.

One of those accounts stood out, other than treezy. It was another self-proclaimed pastor in Indy, whose church had no other public presence on the web, and location mapped to a different church. Sometimes new churches will rent other buildings, so that's not unexpected, but the lack of other presence, or ability to find meeting times, etc, certainly is. The guy also had a Facebook and LinkedIn for a self-help startup, and a couple (poor quality) YouTube videos of him preaching at someone else's church. It gave me an impression he was finding ways to launder money. I wonder if his lifestyle has received a similar boost as Davey's lately?

I had a computer crash where my Windows user got corrupted and I lost my files on this case. I'm not sure I can dig up this guy again, to check up on him.

Until Davey switched over to the fan page, only Treezy disappeared. It doesn't mean Davey removed him directly. If that account was closed, he'd disappear from the friends list.

My findings about all these friendships (and I did not create an exhaustive list, but stopped after finding more than a handful of friends with thug connections and sent in my findings, links and dates to LE) was enough to dissuade me about the randomness of this attack. It does not build the case that Davey planned it, but it does indicate that the gang targeted the Blackburns in some way, particularly given the close proximity of the friendship start month to the double homicide.

Nic said...

Peter said:
Did the husband of murder victim Davey Blackburn know his home would be invaded on this day?


In my opinion, yes.

DB told us the murder scene was staged. He reported what he saw when he arrived home, (including Amanda’s wallet beside her on the floor,) but the crime scene videographer has Amanda’s wallet on the counter in the kitchen. So, IMO, not only did he know his home would be invaded on this day, in my opinion, he was the one who staged the scene in preparation for them.

________

The only one who was operating under a cloak of darkness that day was DB. The others were “caught” because there was a glitch in their pay dispersement, pushing their schedule past sunrise. Aside from the fact that they knew they had the right PIN, (from whom?) that unforeseen glitch tied them specifically, to the Blackburn residence, nothing else (reported so far). If it weren’t for the bank glitch, Amanda’s murder would have appeared “random”.

The accused was seen walking through the neighbourhood (abandoned), but not covered in blood. IMO, shooting someone three times at close range, one of those times in the head, would be messy wouldn’t it not?

All the physicality reported in the PC was that he “popped” (?) Amanda in the mouth and leaned over her to watch her bleed. An informant said someone said that he killed Amanda (no one actually witnessed the murder, let alone saw or heard a struggle). So I don’t believe this. I do believe he split her lip (fresh wound) to see if Amanda’s blood was still flowing (watched her bleed). IMO, that’s all they were there for: to “call” her death. But she was still bleeding. Glitch #2

Also, popping Amanda in the mouth (but no physical violence reported before or after, just that he shot her (not where or how many times,) because he was afraid she would “scratch” him,) IMO, speaks to her already being in the floor.

According to the autopsy mentioned in the PC, Amanda had scratches on her left cheek. I believe this is why “scratches” entered the accused's language. Besides watching her bleed from her split lip, the accused saw her scratches.

None of the accused have been charged with raping Amanda, but that the crime “rape" entered the media straight out of the gate, IMO, means that there was semen present. That they could not tie it to the accused means, IMO, that there is only one other person whose it could be: DB. So I’m thinking, LE ASSumed that because it was DB’s, it wasn’t rape and that their relations were “good”.

I would be interested to see the video from the gym to ascertain whether:

1) DB arrived with a gym bag (the first time he said he grabbed his “clothes” (sensitive), the second time he said “bag”)
2) If he was already in his gym clothes when he arrived or if he changed into workout clothes after he entered the gym; why would he need a change of clothes to begin with if he went home “to shower” after his workout? Who works out then changes and then goes home to shower? Most importantly, why did he need the reason to go home in the first place. He being there would not be “out of place”; however, sitting in zero temps in damp clothes in the driveway on the phone is; and,
3) Whether he showered at the gym (witnesses?/time spent in the change room).

Unexpected: All that commotion at the Blackburn residence and the accused all meandered about, in/outside the home, like they had time and no worry.

I cannot believe that DB was cleared out of the gate, just because he was at the gym. I agree he needs to be polygraphed *and* investigated further.

This is my opinion based on my previous application of statement analysis principals and reading public statements made by D. Blackburn and reading documents made available by LE.

Me2l said...

Wow, mom2many, that's a lot to digest, and the thug FB connection certainly seems potentially significant. Surely LE would have investigated that.

Nic said...

^^ Further to my opinion above, when DB reported that Amanda's wallet was on the floor beside her (but the videographer captured her walled on the counter in the kitchen,) DB also reports that Amanda was on the floor, dying, as he left for the gym.

jmo

Bobcat said...

mom2many,

Would you have a copy of links etc. in your sentbox?

Bobcat said...

I wonder if "Cheese" and the odd "Pastor" were one and the same?

Indy PD rounded up 26 drug dealers/offenders this past Saturday. People are talking.

Hey Jude said...

That's what I am thinking round, Me21 - in an attempt to be objective, which is difficult, as from the get go I have suspected Davey killed Amanda before he left for the gym, in which I also accept I might be more than a little mistaken. Then there are all the 'no-one is that lucky' coincidences. I would like to be able to put all that aside, imagine for a while that yes, that many coincidences could somehow occur, and just think about his language and behaviour - trying to imagine how a narcissist would react (still all about him) and no empathy (he never once has spoken of how terrified Amanda must have been, or expressed anger at what was done to her, or seemed upset for Amanda - it's so unexpected, even if their relationship was not good - it was an horrific crime, but post-mortem it seems Amanda might as well have been a doll, to his mind. It's as though Amanda's existence, what she went through, is as nothing to him - Amanda is over, gone, replaced by a proposterous 'story'.

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Yes, I think he knew what was going to happen that morning - even if I could get inside his head and account a lot of the behaviour to narcissism, there are still too many coincidences, 'the season of preparation', the media-ready Davey - it's more than narcissism, IMO - if he were not quite as narcissistic, Amanda, and her baby, might have been alive and well today.

mom2many said...

Bobcat, I'll look back through my email later, but because it went through crime stoppers website, I don't think so. The log in information for that crime stoppers report was also lost. :/

The "pastor" was significantly older than most of these people. He looked to be at least in his mid to late 40's.

Nic said...

mom2many said...
In this statement, Davey came home "to discover" Amanda. Davey has also said he came home "to shower." It is notable that he changed his language in this way. Did "to discover" hit too close to the truth, so he covered by using "to shower" in other statements?


When someone reports the reason why they did something it is sensitive. "to shower", "to discover".

I went home to shower.
Why not shower at the gym, he said he grabbed clothes on the way out to the gym (change into before or into after?) Why bother if your intention was to shower at home afterwards.

I came home to discover Amanda.
He lived there. So the question should be, why did he need a reason at all to go home after working out? "Discover" is unexpected. IMO, "discover" is perfectly placed emotion (it has an element of surprise to it.) He could have said, I found Amanda.

IMO, He is storytelling.




mom2many said...

Nic, good points. Also, what is missing is, Amanda's state when he left for the gym. I would expect to hear, "When I left for the gym, she was fine. I came home, and she was on the ground in a pool of blood." We have never heard about any of Amanda's activities on that morning, which makes Davey's statements about himself stand out all the more. Why put in where you were, what you were doing and why without saying anything at all about the victim?

Truthseeker said...

Me2l you wrote

So.....when I say, "My tennis racket is lying in the back seat of the car", it doesn't mean I have anything to hide or that it's unreliable or deceptive. It's the way I speak. "

Noone said it meang you had something to hide. What it means is YOU put the tennis racket there.

With Amber saying Amanda's journal was "sitting" in it's usual place, it means there is a high likelihood Amber put it there.
(see Patsy Ramsey and the ransom note LYING on the 2nd stair.

Nic said...

Fm25 said:
I didn't know this was going to happen. I didn't know I was going to find my wife on Nov. 10th and I didn't know that national media outlets were going to be shoving cameras in my face two days later. I had no idea."
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This is the closest attempt I have seen at a denial of involvement, but is it a reliable denial?


No. It does not fit the first person pronoun/past tense verb/accusation, reliable denial formula.

The above statement isn’t about Amanda, it’s about DB/“his fame”.

He begins with the outcome “going to happen”.

“this” doesn’t say what.

He doesn’t use Amanda’s name. He doesn’t say how he found Amanda, (alive/dead) let alone what was done to her: shot and bleeding to death. Or even mention the thugs who did it.

But he marks the time as to when “this” happens (Nov 10) and how long for the cameras to arrive (two days later). Not the duration of time it took for Amanda to die, and the resultant loss of a wife and mother. None of that.

And lastly, it wasn’t just local yokel cameras that showed up two days later to televise his “face”, it was the national media outlets.

Truthseeker said...

Re: Polygraphs, those with NPD and BPD can pass them with flying colors because they literally block any bad behavior out of their conscious mind, as it doesnt fit with their image of themselves. A polygraph would probably be useless in Davey's case. I think he does have NPD.

Hey Jude said...

Davey said he thought Amanda had a miscarriage, which is surely to suggest there was blood in that area. If she was violently raped, and if it was not any of the three, the investigation would still be focussed on Davey - apparently it is not. Why did he decide, late, to introduce the 'I thought something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy' part of the story? - he must have known not many people would find that too plausible a conclusion for him to have drawn from the crime scene. It's quite possible they are looking at him, maybe even had questioned him if/when/since the forensic results came back (if they have), and he has since felt he had to try and talk away some evidence as a 'miscarriage', if it will come up at the trial. Alternatively, it was just a ridiculous attempt to cover his having 'no idea' Amanda was shot, but as babies are not miscarried through the head,or back, or arm, it is an unexpected (and late) addition to the story.

Nic said...

mom2many said...
... Also, what is missing is, Amanda's state when he left for the gym. I would expect to hear, "When I left for the gym, she was fine. I came home, and she was on the ground in a pool of blood." We have never heard about any of Amanda's activities on that morning, which makes Davey's statements about himself stand out all the more. Why put in where you were, what you were doing and why without saying anything at all about the victim?


I agree. It's so obviously unexpected but I didn't even see it until you pointed it out.

Could you imagine watching news feeds splash your murdered wife's face and her name across the television screen and throughout the internet for a whole 48 hours before "national media outlets" finally showed up to stick cameras in "your" face? Gees, two whole days before he was seen solo, "live", and finally with a name (before he was always referred to as "pastor" in headlines).

How full of one's self do you (generally speaking) have to be, to consider the topic of murder and your name mentioned in the same breath as a "good" thing. Amanda is murdered, but DB benefits by exploiting "his" loss.

Traci Mosby said...

I've always thought the trip to Chicago to "put into practice what we preach," was odd. The possibility always occurred to me that they took the train so the thugs could get a good look at Amanda. Until this morning. I'm now thinking it was staged for end of Oct., so the killers could check out the house layout while they were gone. Just a thought that hit me.

Nic said...

@Fm25

LE has cleared him, so he has no "need" to persuade anyone of his innocence or give a reliable denial to a murder he has not yet been linked.

Nic said...

Peter said:
A consistent note is the narcissistic view but in this case, we have the acute need for sexual cleansing in the shower, along with a degree of importance that he could not only cut through the "grieving process" but could do so publicly while declaring himself central to this "history" making event.

*******

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Q_sTni6rdWsJ:statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/04/showering-and-water-in-statements.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Context:

His entire world was about to be destroyed with the love of his life and his unborn child murdered and HE THINKS "shower" in his language...

publicly.


This is stunning. I would have gone to the gym and have every possible person interviewed, looking to see if he met with someone, including males, that caused him to have a 'need' to be cleansed. It may be unrelated to the murder, and, as some have pointed out, related to homosexuality, but an investigation like this must learn the truth. It is not expected that a husband would feel the need to explain, in any way, why he went home, but to add in a reference to water in context of a murder is alarming.


On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs. She passed away in the hospital twenty-four hours later. Since that day Weston and I have been walking a road I would have never chosen for us or anyone else.
___________

His use of to shower, and, to come home to discover Amanda, struck me "peculiar" considering that there was talk of rape until it was determined that the DNA results did not match the accusers. It is no secret there was semen analysed (LE will not say Amanda wasn't raped and non of the accused have been charged with raping Amanda).

shower/discover/Amanda
Why would DB have an acute need to cleanse if he had an emotionally healthy, tender, loving romp with Amanda that morning.



jmo

Truthseeker said...

Nic, I wouldnt be surprised if he raped her because he spoke of her publically in a sexually degrading exploitative manner...the mention of "I'll bring the butter" which is a reference to a rape scene in a movie says it all (without even mentioning all of the other tells he gave of sexual degradation and exploitation of Amanda.)

Nic said...

Part 1

On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs. She passed away in the hospital twenty-four hours later. Since that day Weston and I have been walking a road I would have never chosen for us or anyone else.
___________

Where he chooses to begin is important. His arrival home that morning is what is important.

I came home from the gym to discover
This is contradictory. "Discover" has an element of surprise to it. “Came home to", implies that the next verb is the intention, i.e., part of a plan. So, imo, there is no element of surprise when he finds Amanda.

had been shot
"who" did the shooting is concealed
"had been" is passive

during a home invasion
"a" home invasion. "A" introduces something for the first time. Distancing. He is making a statement about something that has been in the news.

while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs
he is documenting, in detail, an event he supposedly was not present for
"our" is distancing/shared. "My" would demonstrate personal involvement and closeness to Weston
he does not use Weston's name, more distancing

in his crib upstairs
Extra wording. That would be like me saying, I was in my bed in my room. Sensitivity noted. If he wasn't home when the house was broken into, then he wouldn't know that is where Weston was while the invasion happened, he would only know where he was found afterwards as he was the first to arrive to the house after the invasion.

She passed away in the hospital twenty-four hours later.
Passive reference to the manner in which Amanda died. She succumbed to a gunshot to the head is what happened. To say she "passed" is peaceful and passive and as a result of something like a terminal illness.

in the hospital
Extra wording. Sensitivity noted. That he mentions she died in the hospital and not at home is imo, notable. Where else was he expecting her to die? It is unnecessary to mention where she died unless she was expected to die someplace else.

24 hours later
According to the Affidavit for Probable Cause, "At 7:55AM, November 11th, 2015, Dr. Timothy Allende declared Amanda Blackburn legally dead."
Time and dates are very important to this man. It's as if he is marking time, like someone being inconvenienced would a late bus. Saying 24 hours later, instead of "the next day" is, imo, notable and sensitive.

Nic said...

Part 2


Since that day Weston and I have been walking a road I would have never chosen for us or anyone else
Story telling (Once upon a time, All of a sudden...)
have been walking is passive, weak
"a" road, is a road being introduced for the first time, unknown
would have - future conditional, weakens "never"
never chosen - never doesn't mean didn't
chosen - to choose he says he would have never made the choice, but never doesn't mean didn't and he introduces a "choice" in the matter. Random acts leave no choice. He assigns the possessive pronoun "I" to making the choice for he and Weston to walk an unknown road.
anyone conceals the identity of someone else he made a choice for.

______________

Conclusion: Deception indicated. IMO, D. Blackburn had prior knowledge of a home invasion that would take place that morning. He begins his statement of that morning by telling us why/the purpose he came home after working out (to discover), he provides details about the location of his son when he was supposedly absent while the Amanda was being murdered, and he consistently uses passive verb tenses which weaken what he said he did and saw. At the time of writing his statement, the assailants are known, yet he conceals their identity. He assigns activity to himself in two instances: discovery and choice. IMO, D. Blackburn made choices that would affect the rest of their life for himself and his wife and son.

This is my opinion based upon my application of statement analysis principals I am learning to public statements made by D. Blackburn.

Anonymous said...

Nic, I havent seen you posting in a while. Welcome back! Thats great you are learning statement analysis principals. By the way, do you like slurpies?

mom2many said...

I tracked down the "pastor" and his organization. It is called "Spiritual Prosperity Enrichment Center" or SPEC. The mission statement reads, "SPEC’s goals are to acquire resources for community outreach, enhancement, and to provide assistance to meet the needs of the people through prayer and service."

Note the priority of 'acquire resources.'

The pastor's name is Derrick Snodgrass. I think I was mistaken about his age. Either he had a terrible profile pic before that made him look much older, or it was an older relative. I was surprised to pull up his profile today and see he has a young toddler son, who he has also announced will be a "world changer."

Rosy said...

Nic said...
I went home to shower.
Why not shower at the gym, he said he grabbed clothes on the way out to the gym (change into before or into after?) Why bother if your intention was to shower at home afterwards.

I came home to discover Amanda.
He lived there. So the question should be, why did he need a reason at all to go home after working out? "Discover" is unexpected. IMO, "discover" is perfectly placed emotion (it has an element of surprise to it.) He could have said, I found Amanda.
-------------

Has the cluster Gym - phone call - shower been discussed? What was his usual time slot at the gym and where did he usually shower? He says he left the gym at 7:10 AM "and was talking in the phone with his friend, Kenneth Wagner." He "remained on the phone on the way home and was still on the phone when he arrived home at approx. 7:30 AM. He stayed on the phone in the driveway until he entered, around 8:20 AM."

The APC does not record when the phone call began and who initiated it. The verb form "was talking" indicates an ongoing past state. Missing is a past historic (preterite) verbal initiation of the phone call - e.g. while I was at the gym KW called me; or, on my way out of the gym I called KW. He does not state either.

His statements emphasize routine. Tuesday was his "long day." Tuesday was a gym day. Tuesday was his phone call with KW day. But from what he's said, on Tues Nov 11 he broke routine, He got up earlier than usual and left his house for the gym later than usual. Did these breaks in routine affect routines he had for shower and phone call?

Normally, did shower at the gym before the phone call? Or did he normally drive home, enter the house, shower, and then make/accept the phone call? Where was he normally when he and KW had their phone call? Had he ever before spent the last two thirds of the phone call in the driveway?

mom2many said...

In addition to your questions, I would also like to know where he normally spent "his long day."

Fm25 said...

Davey's latest sermon is up as well. Apparently he is now spending his days at crossfit, in case you missed his Instagram post or forgot how fit he is. He again talks about men needing affirmation. He described men going to gym because they feel affirmed there and bc once men go home they're prob getting nagged at by wife. The gym is sensitive. I wonder how Amanda felt about him spending money and time there. Did she react like the wives he depicted in his sermon? The passages he chose again dealt with the topic of surrender and Jesus being willing to die for us. He is very confident in this. He is difficult to watch.

Concerned said...

mom2many at 4:31
I too have always wondered where Davey spent his "long day" each week.
He only had access to the school property on Sundays so where did he
spend his long and short days?

My hope is that Indy LE has had many conversations with Davey and that they've
made note of his shifting explanations of the day he "discovered" Amanda "still breathing"
on the floor. It seems the prosecutor would also be having Davey come in to discuss his
testimony which would mean the defense attorneys would get to get a disposition from him, right?
Davey may end up, after all being the one LE was speaking to when they indicated the perpetrator wasn't so smart!

Nic, I'm enjoying your comments.

Anonymous said...

"Normally, did shower at the gym before the phone call? Or did he normally drive home, enter the house, shower, and then make/accept the phone call? Where was he normally when he and KW had their phone call? Had he ever before spent the last two thirds of the phone call in the driveway?"

Perhaps if he was on the witness stand you could as him these questions...and maybe he like slurpies too!

Concerned said...

"get to take" a deposition...sorry.

Rosy said...

A small thing - who owned the Honda Civic? The police refer to Davey driving "his Honda Civic." "Blackburn said he left his home ... in his Black 1997 Honda Civic to work out at L. A. Fitness...."

In photos posted to social media Davey is in the Honda Civic driving seat. In one posted by Amanda JUly 30 2013 he is doing maintenance or repairs under car.

https://www.instagram.com/p/cZawn7L6eu/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

In his latest blog post, Davey says the Honda Civic was Amanda's car:

Amanda used to make fun of me because I often fished for these words from her. I couldn’t hide if very well either. I’d come walking into a room where she was sitting and subtly announce to her my latest and greatest accomplishment: menial things like fixing the leak in the faucet, splitting and stacking firewood, and figuring out how to change an alternator in her civic (even though all credit should go to YouTube for showing me how to do it step-by-step).

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/06/17/5-words-that-will-make-his-day/

How did LE get the impression that the car was Davey's?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they both had Civics? Maybe she had a Civic at one time then got something else. Who says there can be only one?

Truthseeker said...

Did they own 2 vehicles at the time of her murder? Id still love to know why it is implied in Amber's 48 Hour story that Amanda "met" her meaning she had to have driven there in a vehicle. But then at end of 48 hour story, Davey is at Grandma dinner and needs to drive her home. Because I think what happened is that Davey drove Amanda and Weston to playground and was with them at the playground earlier that day.

Anonymous said...

https://www.facebook.com/AmandaBlackburnStatementAnalysis/

Anonymous said...

So bobcat made ANOTHER fb page for this case? How many does she need? Lol

Nic said...
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Nic said...

As an aside, in the PC, the accused threatens to kill Amanda if they don't come back and get him.

I don't put 100% stock in what the "cooperating individual" told LE; however, this telephone conversation took place after Taylor left the Blackburn residence (a witness saw him talking very loudly into his cell phone). So, if to be believed, Amanda was alive when he left. (My belief is that she was already laying on the ground bleeding out when they got there.) Either way, Taylor didn't kill Amanda if he was threatening to kill her if they didn't come back and get him. If he was the gunman, why not "finish her off"?


A cooperating individual who is unidentified in court records provided a narrative of that morning to police. That person told investigators that the two men in the car planned to leave Taylor behind after successfully withdrawing money from an ATM on 86th Street. But Taylor, court documents say, “threatened to kill the woman if they left him.”

Ultimately, the two decided to return for Taylor. Court documents attribute that decision to another person who called them and said Taylor was “family” and could not be left behind.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uP-KgGPr9KQJ:www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburn-case-murder-arrest-made-monday/76246780/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Jen Ow said...

I've enjoyed reading everyone's impressions on this case! From the comments it seems I have lots of catching up to do, but I find watching 'Davey' unbearable!

Interesting information about all the family members being unfollowed on social media!

What I wouldn't give to hear that 911 call!

lynda said...

I agree it is interesting about deleting the "periscope" family

Me2l said...

Blogger Nic said...
As an aside, in the PC, the accused threatens to kill Amanda if they don't come back and get him.

I don't put 100% stock in what the "cooperating individual" told LE; however, this telephone conversation took place after Taylor left the Blackburn residence (a witness saw him talking very loudly into his cell phone). So, if to be believed, Amanda was alive when he left. (My belief is that she was already laying on the ground bleeding out when they got there.) Either way, Taylor didn't kill Amanda if he was threatening to kill her if they didn't come back and get him. If he was the gunman, why not "finish her off"?




What would the significance of this be, then? If he was threatening to kill Amanda, should we infer from that they didn't intend to kill her; it wasn't their purpose? If that's the case, it wasn't a murder for hire. Under that scenario, Davey wouldn't be involved with the thugs.

Of course, there are other possibilities, I suppose.

Thank God said...

Thank God Jen Ow is back...never before have we needed her incredibly intelligent and rational view of cases more.

Bad Juju said...

Nic, you don't know that Taylor was having the "if you leave me here, I'll kill her" conversation while on video walking in the neighborhood. He might have had that conversation while still in the house. Maybe he was having a "what's taking you guys so long" conversation while roaming about.

Not only that, but the CI is relaying what Taylor supposedly told him (or her). So even if one believes the CI ... is (alleged) liar/rapist/murder Taylor to be believed?

Maybe Taylor had every intention of killing her regardless, and the "getting left behind" thing was just something he told the CI in weak attempt to blame his dirty deeds on others.



Also ... if she were mortally wounded when they got there, why on earth did Taylor stay there with Amanda while the others went to the ATM?

Eve said...

How do any of you know Taylor was in the house and not just in the yard?

Bad Juju said...

How do we even know he was in the yard? How do any of us "know" anything, really? None of us were there. We know what the authorities have said. We know what the CI alleges Taylor told him/her.

The police say Taylor was in the home. I'm willing to bet they have more than just phone records to prove it.

Speaking of phone records ... Google Earth is very accurate. I just checked on my tablet, and the pin dropped exactly where I'm sitting on my back patio. Not just on my patio, which is large, but exactly where I'm sitting. There are many apps which track (and save) exact locations.

It's possible prosecutors know when he was in the kitchen, when he was in the living room and when he was in the yard. They were able to track Watson's phone (the number discovered listed in his parole records after the DNA match) to a specific apartment within an apartment complex.

Either way, I have a hard time believing he left no trace of himself in that house. We shall see.

I don't buy it said...

"Speaking of phone records ... Google Earth is very accurate. I just checked on my tablet, and the pin dropped exactly where I'm sitting on my back patio. Not just on my patio, which is large, but exactly where I'm sitting. There are many apps which track (and save) exact locations."

That's bull. How come I've never read of a case where Google earth pinpoints someone in an exact room? Nevermind doing it in retrospect. Like do you really believe Google earth is tracking everyone's movements and storing them?

Anonymous said...

BJJ,

Thanks for all the extra information about you sitting on your large patio.

First, you say:
"How do we even know he was in the yard?
How do any of us "know" anything, really?
None of us were there."

Then, you say:
"It's possible prosecutors know
when he was in the kitchen,
when he was in the living room and
when he was in the yard."

Were you there WHEN he was there, or are you a prosecutor?

Hey Jude said...

Bad JuJu - all Tsykor had to say was that he couldn't remember being in the neighbourhood and he was so out of it he stayed in the car...something like.

The only reason I could think as to why he would stay in the house if he had discovered a mortally wounded Amanda, was to watch Weston, rather than to watch Amanda bleed out - needless to say this was not adopted by anyone else as a favoured theory, but I still quite like it.


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I wish I was asleep. Maybe I will try Amanda father's miracle prayer which turns two hours sleep into six, or however many hours it was - pity he didn't give out the formula, :-/.

Anon "I" said...

One thing that makes me think DB was aware beforehand is the "after-hand." He is the most prepared by his "g"od for tragedy, most accepting, most understanding, most forgiving, and most mentally coherent one around after the crime, IMHO. While friends, family, and strangers are reeling to wrap their minds around Amanda's murder, Davey-boy has it all mentally processed, as if he has had plenty of time to digest the idea, roll in around in his head, analyze it from all sides, and cope with the outcome before the murder even happened. It's as if it wasn't a surprise to him at all.

Also, something to consider: The Pulse night club 911 call was out with deletions followed by being fully released after the large outcry. This slaughter was days ago. Why isn't Davey's 911 call yet released? You can bet the Pulse club investigation will be ongoing, yet the 911 call was released. Using the "under investigation" explanation to not release the 911 call is different for Davey. One of these things is not like the other. Dead men tell no tales. Young pastors may have lots to say..... and, I use the word "pastor" generously.

Leslie said...

The sentence from DB's blog bio:

"On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs."

"to discover" sounds like the purpose he came home.

When I first read the sentence, I expected to read and discovered....

(I'm playing catch-up. I apologize if this point has already been made or discussed.)

Leslie said...

Correction:

"to discover sounds like the purpose *for coming* home.

flightfulbird said...

Leslie - scroll back to read the posts of mom2many at 11:40am and Nic at 3:29pm (two part post). They picked up on this and their analysis is excellent. The comments on this board have been amazing all day long- and on the last thread /part three as well. Thank you to everyone who is taking the time to post their thoughts and analysis. More and more things are being noticed and noted and here's hoping others besides us are watching these boards.

I never caught this ("I came home to discover Amanda") until I read these posts today - then once it was pointed out, it slapped me right in the face and now I cannot "unsee it". . It's not like Davey said "I came home and found Amanda. It does sound like the purpose for coming home - along with "to shower".

It's going to get more interesting as time goes on - no doubt.

Leslie said...

Thank you, flightful. YES, lots of good stuff, and, I look forward to things getting more interesting, as well. "The Best Is Yet To Come."

Concerned said...

This is not SA but Donae Mitchell confirmed that she is pregnant on FB.
She also lists herself as Single.
I still have hopes that she will step up and tell LE everything she knows about the
day Amanda died.

Concerned said...

"adens mother bein bitter"
FB comment from Alonzo Bull about Donae Mitchell.
Let us hope she gets bitter enough to spill everything.

Bad Juju said...

I don't buy it said...

That's bull. How come I've never read of a case where Google earth pinpoints someone in an exact room? Nevermind doing it in retrospect. Like do you really believe Google earth is tracking everyone's movements and storing them?

June 21, 2016 at 10:26 PM



Are you questioning whether LE was able to track Watson's phone to Alonzo and Donae's apartment? It's in the affidavit.

Does Google Maps/Earth not accurately show your exact location ... down to the part of the building you're in ... on whatever mobile device you use? I can't be the only one here who gets that kind of accuracy.

Drop a pin on one side of your house, then check the latitude/longitude. Do the same thing for the other side of your house. If your phone periodically sends location info to certain apps that store that info, then, yes, law enforcement would have an idea what part of your house you were in at reported times.

I'm not suggesting Taylor's room-to-room movements would be presented in court if that info is available, but you're wrong to think very specific location info isn't being stored by Google and/or numerous other apps.


Ever heard of April Millsap?

http://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/31/michigan-teen-walking-her-dog-along-on-popular-jogging-trail-vanishes/

April's phone not only gives cops a step-by-step map of the attack, it also provides investigators with a virtual blow-by-blow image of April's struggle with her killer.

"For about fifteen minutes you can see a scuffle. You can see the phone going back and forth and back and forth. And then the phone leaves the crime scene at a speed of 13mph. So we know it's on a motorized vehicle," Chief Smith said.



Google tracking:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/06/how-law-enforcement-can-use-google-timeline-to-track-your-every-move/

The expansion of Google's Timeline feature, launched in July 2015, allows investigators to request detailed information about where someone has been - down to the longitude and latitude - over the course of years. Previously, law enforcement could only yield recent location information.

~

The major barrier law enforcement faces is that Google does not provide any additional advice or help on deciphering data, once it is turned over under subpoena or warrant. "Based on conversations with other law enforcement investigators and prosecutors, they have resisted attempts to bring them into court to discuss the issue," Edens wrote.



By all means, please read the whole thing. Here's another:


http://trendblog.net/cant-remember-last-night-google-location-history-can-help-you/

"By now, most people should be aware that their smartphone constantly sends away location data and shares them with third party apps. Of course, this can be avoided by turning location sharing off, but this would make many apps that need your current location rather useless – think Foursquare, Google Maps or any other navigation or travel app."

~~

For example, a few days ago, I had a couple of drinks in two bars in Berlin and my phone sent my current location 300 (!) times to Google (see image below). Especially while I was going from one place to another, my location was sent to Google about every minute. For most people that number is probably surprising, if not shocking.




not buying it said...

Concerned said

"adens mother bein bitter"

Huh? Is that German?

still not buyin it said...

Bad Juju asked

"Does Google Maps/Earth not accurately show your exact location ... down to the part of the building you're in ... on whatever mobile device you use? I can't be the only one here who gets that kind of accuracy."

Perhaps I'm not up on the latest fads, but I don't track myself with my mobile device.

"By now, most people should be aware that their smartphone constantly sends away location data and shares them with third party apps. Of course, this can be avoided by turning location sharing off, but this would make many apps that need your current location rather useless – think Foursquare, Google Maps or any other navigation or travel app."

Your whole argument loses any tenuous footing it had, if the "perp" doesn't have location identification or location sharing turned on.

You wrote

"For example, a few days ago, I had a couple of drinks in two bars in Berlin and my phone sent my current location 300 (!) times to Google (see image below). Especially while I was going from one place to another, my location was sent to Google about every minute. For most people that number is probably surprising, if not shocking."

That is such bull, and there is no image attached as you suggest there is by saying "see image below".



Bad Juju said...

Anonymous said...

BJJ,

Thanks for all the extra information about you sitting on your large patio.

First, you say:
"How do we even know he was in the yard?
How do any of us "know" anything, really?
None of us were there."

Then, you say:
"It's possible prosecutors know
 he was in the kitchen,
 he was in the living room and
 he was in the yard."

Were you there WHEN he was there, or are you a prosecutor?

June 21, 2016 at 10:34 PM




Yes, I was there, and yes, I'm a prosecutor. Ha. Ha.

I'm sorry my two sentences about my location on my patio upset you so. The novel-length tangents others frequently post here about their life experiences must be hell for you.

I clearly began my statement with "it's possible," so what are you getting worked up about? I think he was there. Inside. It's a really wacky theory, I know.

Bad Juju said...

still not buyin it,


You seem to be confused about which part of my posts were copied and pasted from the links I provided. I did my best to make it clear. If you copy/paste the last link I posted, you will see the image provided by the blogger writing about his Google Timeline tracking.

You do know how to copy and paste the link, right?

Not buyin it said...

Oh, I'm sorry sweetie pie, glancing back at your post I guess there was some confusion on my part. I'm ever so sorry. Pity I didn't check out the link you'd posted about people like yourself who enjoy tracking yourself on your "mobile device". I'm sure it would have been ever so enlightening.

Anonymous said...

Oh I'm sorry, I guess your link was actually about people who were too drunk to figure out which bars they were in the night before. Isn't that part of the fun of being irresponsible and intoxicated, and waking up next to a mysterious stranger? I'm ever so sorry I don't need that kind of an app, because I tend to operate on a sober level. Perhaps you should try it.

Anonymous said...

BJJ,

It wasn't google that tracked the girls every move, it was a fitness tracker app.

http://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/31/michigan-teen-walking-her-dog-along-on-popular-jogging-trail-vanishes/

Bad Juju said...

Yes, I know. I clearly said "Google and/or numerous other apps," did I not? I even separated the info about April from the info about "Google tracking."

Nic said...

Part 1

Me2l said...
Blogger Nic said...
As an aside, in the PC, the accused threatens to kill Amanda if they don't come back and get him.
******
What would the significance of this be, then? If he was threatening to kill Amanda, should we infer from that they didn't intend to kill her; it wasn't their purpose? If that's the case, it wasn't a murder for hire. Under that scenario, Davey wouldn't be involved with the thugs.

Of course, there are other possibilities, I suppose.

_____________

If that's the case, it wasn't a murder for hire.
That's right. Another possibility is that they were hired to make it look like a robbery gone bad -- and why $500 was an acceptable amount of money for their work. ($500 was what they initially attempted to pull from the ATM but ended up with $400.) and anything else they chose to "lift" from the residence (a computer). They didn't steal bank cards from the previous two residences and they didn't steal TV, etc., from the Blackburn residence like they did the others. IMO, They went in to get their "money" and call TOD.

Davey wouldn't be involved with the thugs.
That's right. Not *directly* with those three. I'm thinking they were "dispatched" with "marching orders".
________

I don't believe Taylor was the shooter/that he killed Amanda. It doesn't make sense that he would threaten to do something he technically and allegedly already attempted to do (the shot to her head is what killed Amanda). He knew at that point there was nothing linking them to her shooting, but being seen and using his gun on her would link them. (Speculating)

From the PC:

2812 Sunnyfield
Blackburn said he left his home around 6:00AM ...to work out at L.A. Fitness.

Lieutenant Rogers Spurgeon interviewed Natasha Jones Tank. At approximately 6:40-6:45 she was in bed at 2824 Sunnyfield Court. She heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream. …

Detective Perkins spoke with Reginald Townsel who said he and his wife, Carol Townsel, saw a person in all black with a hoody over his head in front of their trash at 2804 Sunnyfield Court. The subject walked toward 2812 Sunnyfield Court.

Sergeant Mark Prater spoke with Angela Knox. Around 7:05AM she was leaving 2933 Sunnyfield Court. She noticed a male walking north from her court.

Larry Taylor told Watson, Gordon, Bull and possibly Donae Mitchell he killed the woman. Taylor stated that she charged at him and he shot her somewhere in the upper body so he would not be scratched. Taylor then told them that he leaned over her body and shot her in the back of the head. He leaned further, looked at her face, and watched her bleed.

Dr. Cavanaugh determined Blackburn had sustained a gunshot wound to the back of her head. She also had a gunshot wound to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps. She also had a through and through gunshot wound which entered an exited her upper back. ... Forensic Specialist Melissa Wilson recovered bullets from Blackburn’s head and left biceps. ...

A bullet hole was later discovered in the base the stairwell. A lead bullet was recovered from under the stairs.

Nic said...
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Nic said...

Part 2
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Interesting to note. Amanda was shot three times. Three bullets were recovered, only two shots were heard by one witness and Taylor only reports shooting Amanda twice.

The gentleman who saw Taylor in front of his trash, (so neighbourhood aware) lives in close proximity to the Blackburn's resident didn't hear the gunshots or screams. This man (a security tech,) and his wife were at the hospital later that night visiting the Blackburns. They were good friends and terribly upset for Amanda. The witness who reports hearing the shots lives not much further away from the Blackburns. This is November 10. Sunrise was at 7:23, so still dark and the temps were hovering around zero. It's possible she slept with the window open, it would be interesting to know if LE asked her if she did. My point being *if* her window was closed, could she hear the gunshots and screams? The two other neighbours, one in closer proximity to the Blackburn's didn't. Both only reported seeing Taylor loitering waiting for his ride.

Here is an article on "suppressors" (silencers), which is what I believe was used.

[snip]
Think about the standard home defense scenario for a second. You’re in an enclosed space, facing an unknown number of a-holes, and all you have on your side is stealth and surprise. Firing a gun, ANY gun, in that situation immediately makes the situation worse for the defenders.

First, you’re now deaf. Not permanently, but enough that it’s painful and disorienting. [end snip]
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-are-suppressors-a-good-idea-for-home-defense-guns/

This is my opinion based on what LE documented during their course of investigation in the Affidavit of Probably Cause for Amanda Blackburn.

Nic said...

Sergeant Eric Eads obtained subpoena results with photographs of ATM activity wth Amanda Blackburn’s Chase debit card. The stills depicted a person who appeared to be driving a silver Chrysler Sebring to the drive up at the Chase ATM ….This was the failed transaction for $500.00 with Amanda Blackburn’s debit card…..A second transaction occurred with Amanda Blackburn’s Chase debit card…The same subject is on foot and successfully withdraws $400.00
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Per the subpoena results, only two transactions were attempted. IMO, they were given the PIN.

Nic said...

According to CI:

Larry Taylor was carrying a snub nose .38 revolver …They wanted moneyM so Larry Taylor climbed up the back railing of an apartment in the Cottages. Taylor had a set of keys... He worked the key fob and it opened a silver Chrysler Sebring. Taylor took an iPhone from the bedroom where the occupant of the apartment was sleeping….Taylor, Watson and Gordon then left together in the Sebring. …the group wanted more money so they drove to a west side subdivision. Larry Taylor tore the back patio screen…and unlocked the deadbolt….Taylor, Gordon and Watson entered the house, where they stole televisions and a laptop. …They decided they wanted more money…Larry Taylor walked to 2812 Sunnyfield Court and opened the unlock front door. Taylor and Watson entered the front door. Gordon waited at the Chrysler Sebring, which was parked in the driveway at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. …Watson said there was a woman inside and Taylor busted her in the mouth with his gun. They discussed leaving, but Taylor then walked to the car and threw a couple of cards in the car. Watson drove to an ATM…

First robbery, car and phone
Second robbery (Blackburn neighbour who works shift), four TVs, remote, pearl necklace, sweater, bedsheets, oranges and a laptop
Third robbery (Blackburn’s) ATM card/s and laptop

Distance between first and second robbery 10.4 miles/22 minutes

From the PC (according to subpoena telephone records and 911 timestamps from the first robbery)

4:36 - 5756 San Clemente was calling 0147 (Gordon)
5:23 AM Jacola Searsbrook (5756 San Clemnete Drive) called 911 to report a burglary. She said she woke up at 4:30AM and realized her cell phone was missing from her bedroom. Glass door was open and plants were knocked over. Macbook laptop was missing along with purse and keys. Car (silver Chrysler Sebring) missing Three people seen in stills./CI says Taylor wanted to kill the occupant because he was seen on camera. All three left in Sebring.
6:00 - DB leaves home for gym
7:10 - DB leaves gym
7:30 - DB arrives home from the gym
8:17 Allison Becker @2830 called 911 to report a burglary (system disabled at 5:36AM)
8:22 David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious lying on the living room floor

According to DB’s neighbour’s security system that was disabled, DB was still at home when his neighbour was being robbed.

Nic said...

Bad Juju said:
Also ... if she were mortally wounded when they got there, why on earth did Taylor stay there with Amanda while the others went to the ATM?


Good question. He wasn't sexually assaulting her (he hasn't been charged with that, and DNA wasn't linked to any of them). Maybe he was waiting for Amanda to die and had a smoke (per the Swisher Sweet package left on the counter) while he was waiting. That's what idle smokers do when they're waiting. (Speaking from a reformed smoker perspective.)

jmo

Nic said...

Bad juju said:
How do any of us "know" anything, really? None of us were there. We know what the authorities have said. We know what the CI alleges Taylor told him/her.


Not true. Home security caught stills of the three of them at the first robbery. Security caught the image of one of them disabling Blackburn's neighbour's security camera. They spent time eating and drinking wine and beer (per swabs). Various security cameras caught them (plural) in the neighbourhood. There is a lot more electronic and forensic evidence than what the CI said.

Nic said...

Hey Jude said:
The only reason I could think as to why he would stay in the house if he had discovered a mortally wounded Amanda, was to watch Weston, rather than to watch Amanda bleed out - needless to say this was not adopted by anyone else as a favoured theory, but I still quite like it.


This is the first I've heard of this. It was dark until 7:23 (time of sunrise). Taylor could have stayed in the house and waited a little longer than risk being seen by people leaving for work if his purpose was to watch Weston. As it was, Taylor was seen by neighbours leaving for work, waiting outside for his pick-up at appx. 7:05 so he was definitely out of the house for a few minutes by this point. (He was walking from Sunnyfield onto Sunmeadow, so already at the top of the dead end away from the Blackburn's). He was seen by a different witness on Sunmeadow Way at appx 7:10-7:11 and that neighbour decided to "come back to his home instead of leaving". He watched Taylor until he was picked up. They don't say when that was.

DB was still technically at the gym until 7:10, arriving home at 7:30. Weston would be alone for a half hour at least, and that's only because there was a glitch in getting their money. Otherwise, he would have been alone longer.

DB says Weston was upstairs in his crib while the home invasion was happening. I believe him.

Nic said...

Blogger Leslie said...
The sentence from DB's blog bio:

"On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs."

"to discover" sounds like the purpose he came home.


Yes, I agree. :0)

In my opinion there is a subtle difference between


I came home to discover
I went home to shower

IMO, "I came home" introduces a PLAN.

I came home from work to feed the dog.
I came home from work at lunch to let my puppy out.
I came home from work, first, to change.
I came home from work to wait for the cable guy.

IMO, "I went home to" answers "why" .

After I worked out, I went home to shower.
On the way to work, I stopped by my friend's to drop off the sweater I borrowed.
I went to the store to buy some milk.

DB didn't need a reason to go home after working out. He lived there.

Nic said...

I think LE need to further question the witness who heard the gunshots and screams and the "victim" of the first robbery.

jmo

Leslie said...

Yes, I absolutely agree, Nic. And, if DB was NOT expecting to find Amanda attacked, and dead, or almost deceased, why would he word it as, "... I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head..." ?

As many have commented, I continue to be shocked that his friends, family, and flock don't pick up on these subtleties in speech that jump out as us, not to mention his bizarre presence, mannerisms, and choice of words in his preaching / videos.

Bad Juju said...

Nic said...

Good question. He wasn't sexually assaulting her (he hasn't been charged with that, and DNA wasn't linked to any of them). Maybe he was waiting for Amanda to die and had a smoke (per the Swisher Sweet package left on the counter) while he was waiting. That's what idle smokers do when they're waiting. (Speaking from a reformed smoker perspective.)

jmo



But she didn't die. She was still alive when he left.

Why would he be waiting for her to die, anyway? It doesn't make sense.

Your theory that Taylor didn't shoot her requires one to ignore the gunshots heard by the neighbor while Davey was at the gym. You're picking and choosing which evidence to believe to fit your scenario.

You're also fantasizing that you know when Amanda was or wasn't on the floor, and that you know what Taylor was thinking, and that he saw existing scratches. Really? You know what he was thinking and what he saw? Come on.

You do not know that there was semen present. Her underwear having been removed would be enough to suspect sexual assault. You're spinning yarns.



Nic said...

Not true. Home security caught stills of the three of them at the first robbery. Security caught the image of one of them disabling Blackburn's neighbour's security camera. They spent time eating and drinking wine and beer (per swabs). Various security cameras caught them (plural) in the neighbourhood. There is a lot more electronic and forensic evidence than what the CI said.



Yeah no kidding. I've read the affidavit a million times, thanks. (A million and one, actually, now that your serial posting large portions of it here again.) I was responding to the question how we know whether Taylor was inside or just in the yard. None of the things you listed prove whether Taylor was inside or outside the BLACKBURN home.


Also, there was never a question that DB was still home when the suspects were robbing the neighbor. The authorities were quite clear about the time DB left the house.

You should read the rape affidavit. They tried to get cards from that victim, too. Kept her FACE DOWN on the floor, with a gun to the BACK OF HER HEAD. Sound familiar?

Truthseeker said...

The language suggests Amanda was shot as early as the evening before.

If Davey is so intelligent and such a master manipulator, why is it outside the bounds of believability that Davey knew this thug ring and lured them to his home with the promise of drugs in order to frame them for Amanda's murder.
"Your pastor is smokin what he's sellin'.

And that he simply left the ATM card out in plain view with the PIN written down next to it.

Anonymous said...

NicJune 22, 2016 at 11:58 AM said

I think LE need to further question the witness who heard the gunshots and screams and the "victim" of the first robbery.

I agree. Especially since daylights saving time was ending. Does Indianapolis participate in daylight savings time?

Anonymous said...

http://fox59.com/2015/11/11/surveillance-photos-show-burglars-breaking-into-northeast-side-home-2/

Jacola's passive language: "They came in through the patio door."
Jacola is one of the most chilled-out burglary victims ever.

Not: They broke in.

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The first victim stated that LT raped her with multiple items (including a vibrator), all while holding a gun to her neck. Very dextrous.

The first victim implied that the burglars also knew WHEN she was supposed to pick up her boyfriend from work.

The first victim had an Iphone stolen - but IMPD recovered a New-In-The-Box Iphone from the fence. Was her stolen phone Brand New?

Nic said...

Bad juju,
It's clear to me that your m.o. is to troll. So this will be my last response to you.

But she didn't die. She was still alive when he left.

Yup. And she was still alive after DB sat on the phone for 50 minutes in the driveway before he reentered the house. My point being, based on what I suspect, Taylor couldn't give the "all clear" before he left. If his reason for being there was "just" a robbery, then grade ATM card/s and be done. There was tape he could have restrained her. If he was the one who shot Amanda, why didn't he just finish her off when it was clear the first shot to the head was ineffective? What's another bullet? That he didn't/wouldn't, imo says, 1) she was incapacitated to begin with, and 2) that's not why they were there. IMO, he was waiting for her to die. Gunshot wound to the head; how long should it take for someone to die. Apparently 24 hours before they declared her clinically dead.

Your theory that Taylor didn't shoot her requires one to ignore the gunshots heard by the neighbor while Davey was at the gym.

I'm not ignoring anything. Only one neighbour heard gunshots, and not the amount of shots fired (3). Other neighbours were up around the reported time of the gunshots, they only report seeing Taylor in front of their trash can 15-20 min afterwards.

You're also fantasizing that you know when Amanda was or wasn't on the floor, and that you know what Taylor was thinking, and that he saw existing scratches. Really? You know what he was thinking and what he saw? Come on.

The guys walked to/in the Blackburn house like they knew the dog, Mel, wouldn't attack; that Amanda was expecting them. The CI reported, Watson said there was a woman who charged Taylor. The only physical altercation Watson (supposedly) reported when he walked back to the car was that Amanda's mouth had been "busted". CI reported that Taylor shot Amanda twice (upper body and head). Per the autopsy and recovered bullets, she was shot 3 times. It would be interesting to know if the knocked out tooth was recovered and if so, was it found in her mouth or someplace else in the living room. If in the mouth, or on the floor under her face/mouth then I would suspect she was in repose when they entered the house/when busted.

Scratches. The CI said he said he didn't want her to scratch him. IMO, I think this is seepage.

You do not know that there was semen present.

You're right. Initial reports were evidence that linked the three to a prior burglary and rape and it was reported that sources said while two of the suspects left to get money Taylor "allegedly" raped and shot Amanda. (Other reports were that she put up a fight/was sexually assaulted.) None have been charged with rape. So technically you're right I/no-one knows if there was semen, but I am confident vaginal swabs were used to clear them. I'll be interested to hear whether semen was present at all.

None of the things you listed prove whether Taylor was inside or outside the BLACKBURN home.

Yes, there is. LE places him inside and there are two witnesses placing him outside the home.

Lastly:

" Hess obtained a search warrant for Verizon phone number 317-864-7125. Records show that phone was at 2812 Sunnyfield Court on November 10th, 2015 from 6:38 A.M. to 7:10 A.M. The phone only communicates with 317-652-6567 which appears to move back toward the Sunnyfied address to pick up the person walking on Sunnyfield carrying (317) 864-7125. Detective Kepler researched (317) 864-7215. He found the phone number in “Backpage” ads. The number was associated to Haley Andreason and Larry Taylor Jr. through police reports. … He (Taylor) told Hess the phone plugged in next to his pallet belonged to him and his phone number was 317-864-7125.

Fm25 said...


Neighbor's heard 2 shots, Larry says 2 shots. One poss scenario is that davey shot and disabled her that morning around 4:30. Had some time with his bible right there on the couch. Possibly reminding Amanda of her duty to submit to spouse. He may have raped her. He may have made her write that last journal entry. He staged the house as necessary and packed up anything he needed to get rid of. He waited for hitmen To arrive. They were to finish the deed. He headed home as they left house. He waited in driveway and further built his alibi. He was shocked to find out she was still bleeding. He did not want immediate help. He didn't want police there at same time as him. His 911 call would be very telling.
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There are a multitude of things in statement that indicate deception. "For us, we have nothing to hide" is itself indicative of deception give what we have seen in Davey's language. As things have unfolded it has become more and more apparent that he is a narcissist and lacks conscience. As Peter has pointed out, davey grew up with and understands Christianity. He deliberately gets up on stage and manipulates scripture very intentionally to further his agenda. It was not enough to simply kill Amanda. He wanted to and thought he could create a story where he himself becomes the next Jesus Christ. This is why there are so many coincidences which his followers believe support his story. He is a puppet master and is able to put ideas and concepts in people's heads. He was trying to write a beautiful story but went too far. He overestimates his abilities though because a lot of people are not buying it.

Truthseeker said...

Anon wrote

"The first victim stated that LT raped her with multiple items (including a vibrator), all while holding a gun to her neck. Very dextrous."

Did she specifically say Taylor did it? His face was not covered? And where were the othet 2 while he was raping her? Im just asking bc I dont know the info on this and Im curious.

Truthseeker said...

Re: my question at 2:05: Honestly why Im asking these questions is because his manner of rape could suggest possible issues of his own since he used objects to rape her. Why did he do that? Sexual dysfunction? Homosexual preference? Also he apparently likes to threaten or control women with guns. All these qualities remind me of someone else who is a main player in this case. Did the rape victim see his face? Where were the other 2 thugs during the rape?

mom2many said...

https://youtu.be/VZwUouFESUw
This is the link to the press conference announcing Taylor's and Watson's arrests. Something has always puzzled me about the detectives answer to one of the reporters' questions. The subject was what instigated the crime spree. The detective answers at 8:46, "Opportunity, I think. Uh, they took the opportunity to take one burglary and it led to another."

While they obtained the keys to a car at the first burglary, which provided means to the next, in what way did the first burglary lead to Sunnyfield Ct.?

Lead
verb (used with object), led, leading.
1.
to go before or with to show the way; conduct or escort

Truthseeker said...

Mom2many,

Good catch,

The detectives explanation could simply be a bunk explanation. Perhaps the explanation for why they "chose" Davey's out-of-the-way house is because they were "lured" there with the promise of drugs. Or, could Davey have actually been with them and perhaps he suggested they rob his own house without the thugs knowing the house belonged to him? The reason I ask is because Davey's camp seems good at attaining and possibly falsifying/manipulating video surveillance at places he/they go to regularly, so why should anyone believe that the video surveillance of Davey supposedly at the gym during the burglary be believed?

Bad Juju said...

Yes, Nic, I'm fully aware there is phone evidence linking Taylor to this crime. I am not the one denying he was there. SOMEONE ELSE questioned whether the phone evidence proved he was inside or just IN THE YARD. I answered saying "we" don't really know, but I bet the police do. You then jumped in saying we do know because of surveillance video, which, as I pointed out before, is neither here nor there as far as proving Taylor was inside the Blackburn home as opposed to just in the yard. You did not say anything about phone records, you were talking about surveillance. Please don't respond to my posts if you can't be bothered to fully comprehend what I'm saying and/or responding to.


Watson did not say Amanda's mouth "had been busted." Watson said Taylor busted her in the mouth! (According to the CI.) You're twisting it to make it sound like she had already been busted in the mouth when they arrived.

The CI says Taylor stated he shot her "somewhere in the upper body" and then the head. He didn't say "once in the upper body." Both the arm and upper back ARE upper body. The CI DID NOT say Taylor only shot her twice.

I don't understand why you believe when the CI says Taylor was there and about the content of the phone conversations but you don't believe when the CI says Taylor shot her. How do you pick and choose?

The fact that Taylor left her still breathing in no way indicates she was incapacitated to begin with. How you draw that conclusion is beyond me. You say he was waiting there for her to die, because that was his job, then you acknowledge he left her still breathing ... it makes no sense.

Anonymous said...

Truthseeker,

Here is the probable cause for the Nov. 3 robbery/rape.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/295143604/Larry-Taylor-Jalen-Watson-Rape-Dec-2015

The victim is interviewed twice in the PCA.

There is a possible discrepancy in the iphone that was stolen compared to the new-in-the-box iphone that was recovered.

There also is concern that the victim was asked a "follow up" question by the burglars which seemed to confirm that they knew what time she was supposed to pick up her boyfriend.

Fm25 said...

This is only speculation but it does make sense and Iis absolutely possible.
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There is a gap of a couple of hours in Davey's morning. He doesn't tell us what he did other than praying on the couch. Given what we have seen of his personality, there is a strong possibility that he has been planning this for a long time. He very well could have shot Amanda once to incapacitate her and stage the scene as he needed to. I suspect he would have taken pleasure in telling Amanda all about his plan while she lay bleeding.
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Once he left house the hitmen conveniently came over from the vacant house. I think only one entered the house but that's not really relevant. Two of them went to atm. Why would they leave the most volatile one by their own account at home with this woman. The failed atm withdrawal caused a delay. They should have been long gone by sunset and had it not been for the 2nd atm attempt in which Watson had to walk outside with the pink sweater around his face, they may never have gotten caught. It would have been just another unsolved murder in Indianapolis with a convenient string of evidence connecting several crime scenes but leaving no dna that we know of - other than that on the pink sweater. Watson and Gordon were probably being truthful when they talked about leaving Taylor bc it had gotten too late. They were told to go back for him. And davey left the gym just as they left his house. Taylor shot her but it takes time to bleed out. 40 mins in car should have about covered it.
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I don't know if this is what happened but I do know it's possible and more probable than everything working out just as it did by sheer chance.

Traci Mosby said...

I think anonymous = Perry Noble. Same level of sarcasm Perry's used when on his Twitter rants!!

Fm25 said...

I meant by sunrise in my above post. I need to stop jumping ahead of myself though as Peter requested and focus on the question of "did davey know what was going to happen that morning"'. I believe he did. Any doubt I had about the reason deception is indicated in his language has disappeared over time based on what I have learned about his personality from his continuing sermons and blog posts.

Anonymous said...

Bed sheets were stolen from the neighbors house.

Does anyone know if they were ever recovered?

They may have significance if Amanda was subdued by Davey before Taylor arrived.

Rosy said...

Nic said..
June 21 11:45 Am

"Most importantly, why did {DB} need the reason to go home in the first place. He being there would not be “out of place”; however, sitting in zero temps in damp clothes in the driveway on the phone is; "

Nic said ...
June 22 at 9:30 AM
This is November 10. Sunrise was at 7:23, so still dark and the temps were hovering around zero. It's possible she slept with the window open, it would be interesting to know if LE asked her if she did."
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The temperature was not hovering around zero. in the early morning of Nov 10 the temp fell to a low of 40 F. This is 8 degrees F above freezing 32F.

Nic are you in centigrade country? In Indianapolis, still on Fahrenheit, 40 degrees is not experienced as hovering around zero. In the USA, zero (0F) = -17.7778 Centigrade.

Temperature on Tuesday Nov 10 2014
Lo 40° High 56°
Sunrise 7:23 AM EST

As for open window, I doubt this. I dispute that 40 degrees would be too COLD for Davey Blackburn, an athletic young man to sit in his (heated?) vehicle wearing an outdoor jacket - if he had a reason to do so.

Similarly I doubt that a woman neighbor would have considered it WARM enough to sleep that night with an open window.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KIND/2015/11/10/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=&MR=1

Fm25 said...

I have always suspected the bed sheets were used to protect the electronics but I'm not sure they were ever found. I think the pink sweater could be significant though. Definitely an odd choice for burglars to take. Davey's neighbor said it was her favorite. It would have been easily recognizable for her, possibly even from the atm video if it had not been recovered. Imo, it's purpose was to link the crime scenes and shift attention from davey.

flightfulbird said...

This is from one of the comments following this link that Nic posted at 9:30am (part 2)

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-are-suppressors-a-good-idea-for-home-defense-guns/

"...and on the flip side there’s always the consideration that firing your weapon is just one more way to alert the “good guys.” Pop a round off in a residential neighborhood and you know damn well the cops are already on their way… just food for thought."

From the Affidavit, quoted in Nic's post at 9:26am -

"Lieutenant Rogers Spurgeon interviewed Natasha Jones Tank. At approximately 6:40-6:45 she was in bed at 2824 Sunnyfield Court. She heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream.…"


It has been noted before that the Affidavit does not / could not include every statement that was spoken and every action that was spoken or taken by everyone on the block on that morning. This would seem to make those statements and facts that are included in the Affidavit even more important and accurate.

Given that she was being questioned by IMPD, I would expect neighbor Natasha Jones Tank to be honest and as accurate as possible. Natasha Jones Tank is sure she heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream. She also seems sure of the approximate time, pinning it down to a five minute timeframe around 6:40-6:45am.

I am bothered that she heard the shots, that she knew they were gunshots, that she heard what sounded like a woman scream at the same time and then didn't call 911. I am also bothered that she knew/remembered that time to tell Lieutenant Spurgeon. If she blew off hearing two gunshots and a woman scream - which she appears to have done - because she didn't call 911 - then would she have remembered the exact time she heard those shots and the scream when she was interviewed later on?

It does not seem that the shots or the scream fazed her at all. While she might have looked at the clock, if she didn't know that anything had happened or was going to happen and disregarded what she heard as unimportant, or at least not important enough to call the police right away - then would she have had the presence of mind to remember the time that closely ?

I am also bothered that no other neighbors reported hearing gunshots or a scream or anything else. And when was the third gunshot inflicted - Natasha Tank Jones only heard two, and we know for certain that there were three separate wounds and three bullets found.

Having heard two gunshots and a scream already, would Natasha Tank Jones have been more on the alert for more noise, another shot, more screaming - if the third shot happened after the first two? Or was the third gunshot actually the first shot, or the third shot - but silenced and not heard.

I wonder if all of the bullets were fired from the same weapon? IMPD should know, along with whether any or all of those bullets were fired from the gun that was thrown into someone's yard and then taken to be turned in to a fire station. It is also interesting that this person who found the gun chose to pick it up and take it to a fire station instead of calling IMPD, after a known crime had happened so close by - the gun was said to have been discovered "near the home of Amanda Blackburn".

So many questions.

Anon "I" said...

Usually, I think of "discovering" something as a positive thing. Like
discovering a wanted pregnancy or Discovery Space Shuttle. If someone
came across something bad, it would seem to me that they would say they
"found" something.... Like, "I found out" my friend lied to me. I
"discovered" my friend lied to me doesn't sound natural to me, pretentious
even, but then I am swayed by my Southern upbringing. Anyone else think
"discover" seems out of place?

Maybe this is crazy, but could LT have given a false confession?

I wonder if the neighbor who heard two shots and a scream had her window cracked or a TV on? Families can fight over temperature control and maybe the window was slightly opened near her side of the bed so she could have heard better. Two things bother me
about this. IF she had heard this, did she, or WHY didn't she call LE at that
very moment? And, again, there is Weston being ever so quiet and the dog that
isn't upset enough to bark? Maybe a muzzle for the dog, but Weston was not heard
screaming his lungs out? If Weston was medicated (and I have no direct reason to
think he was), he would have been close to dead himself to sleep through two/three?
gun shots inside the house and his mom screaming. Shouldn't the neighbor have heard
the dog (possibly) and Weston, too? I know Weston was trained in a certain way, but
anyone who has kids knows nothing is certain 100% of the time.

Nic said...

Fm25
I agree they were duped (failed ATM). Otherwise this would have been classified "random".

I'm convinced more and more that DB shot her himself and that he used a silencer (per what I posted above). There were three gunshot wounds and three bullets recovered (2 in her body, one under the stairs they went back for (later recovered)).

She ran to trouble in her underwear. (Projecting) If I was mid-dress and heard i.e., a decorative ladder toppling, knowing that my husband was in the house, I would go downstairs in my underwear to see if he was okay.

Her phone was in the bedroom (where LE found it). (Projecting) If my husband had left and I heard intruders coming in the front door, I would be grabbing my baby barricading us (with dog) upstairs and calling 911.

The dog was found in a room upstairs. Maybe she was crated besides when Amanda was working in the garage? [They] just reported Mel was in a room upstairs. The baby was in his crib. Amanda approached danger in her underwear.

IMO, There was an element of trust for her to do that.

Nic said...

Rosy:

you linked to 2014. Here is weather for Nov 10, 2015
https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KIND/2015/11/10/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

Truthseeker said...

I need to ask a question: Why would Amanda have needed to be shot and "disabled"? Why??? She would not have known (if Davey had hired the thugs) that they were coming to shoot her. And similarly, it is nonsensical that Davey would have shot and disabled her so someone else could shoot her dead. Why wouldnt he have just shot her dead?

I think he Davey shot her all 3 of the times the evening before. The 2 "heard" ahits in the morning could have been shot into the air by the gun found in the neighbor's yard to get the cops to come.
Also, I cant help but notice the weirdness of the rapes. Without getting into detail, the 1st one seems weird. The 2nd possible sexual assault with Amanda being partially undressed (and of course Davey doesnt find that odd which shows he did it) is strange. Why is my instinct telling me this rapist had some "issues" that could indicate sexual dysfunction or homosexuality? This rapist couldnt finish the robbery until he had raped (in an abnormal way). Hate to say it, but it reminds me of soneone else who cant finish their dinner until theyve had sex.

Nic said...

^^ The overnight low (Nov 9 to early am 10th) was 1 degree c (34 degrees f). Yes, I did not convert, LOL

Nic said...

Fm25 said:
I have always suspected the bed sheets were used to protect the electronics but I'm not sure they were ever found. I think the pink sweater could be significant though. Definitely an odd choice for burglars to take. Davey's neighbor said it was her favorite. It would have been easily recognizable for her, possibly even from the atm video if it had not been recovered. Imo, it's purpose was to link the crime scenes and shift attention from davey.


To me it sounded like one of them was shopping for a sexy date. New sheets, pink sweater, pearl necklace, breakfast, LOL..Seriously! :0)

Anonymous said...

"Maybe this is crazy, but could LT have given a false confession?"

Yes.

Anonymous said...

When did LT confess? I've heard no such thing. The court docs say he denied ever getting out of the car.

Nic said...

Anon "I" said;
"discover" seems out of place?


Yes, the word, imo is perfectly place "emotion" (story telling). I don't know how to articulate the nuance. "To" + (verb infinitive) answers why. He could have simply said, "I went home" if asked what he did after he left the gym. But he has provided two public statements as to why he went home. He didn't have to say why in either case. Saying why makes the information sensitive because the question wasn't asked to begin with, but there is a need to persuade why they had to be there. He lived there. Why the excuse to go home?

to shower
to discover



"I came home at lunch to walk the dog and discovered my dog shredded the sofa cushions.
Here you can see that there is an element of emotion associated with "discovered". "to walk" answers why they were when they made the discovery.

Nic said...

Thanks, Rosy.

Concerned said...

If I understand correctly, LT has not confessed to LE.
The CI gives details he/she "says" LT confessed to but we don't know that any of it is true.
The PC document with the CI's words was what they needed to hold LT over for trial.
We may find that there is far more to the story than what some thugs or a girlfriend told
to make themselves look guilty of lesser crimes.
Just my thoughts.

lynda said...

Peter said,

Narcissistic language easily affirmed due to video but what does he language cause us to conclude:

Did he know his house was to be targeted by criminals that day?


We know from all the exhaustive work Peter has done regarding this case and all the speech that he has had to work with since CD just cannot shut up, that there IS deception, missing information, and sensitivity. But WHY? Does it just boil down to him perhaps living on the down low and having to hide it? Or is it much more sinister?

When we watch him, hear him, you don't have to be a SA expert to see that "somethings not quite right".

Has his speech shown that he had prior knowledge of thugs? I am so new at this that I can't say that for sure because I don't know enough SA. I can say tho that from what I have heard him say, it appears he DID. He gives way to much information about that day, he uses distancing language, he is not emotional at all, he continually minimizes what DID happen and he also continues to degrade and demean Amanda even tho she is dead. The chain of events that happened that morning are just TO perfect. Like Peter said his investigators said, "No one is that lucky." His story has changed, he has added and subtracted for the best impact for sympathy towards himself, he has not spoken at all of where Amanda was that morning, nor the night before. He HAS said that the night before is the LAST time Weston saw Amanda. That could be leakage? How would he know such a thing unless he knew what was going to happen the next morning?
The fact that CD says he stayed out in the driveway for 40 minutes and DID NOT say that "he did that all the time", or that's what I do, that's my habit, leans towards that that day is the first time he did it. Why? To establish alibi, and to make sure she was turning cold before he went in. He has also stated, "He had no idea what had happened." A truly bizarre and ridiculous statement. The only thing stolen was HIS laptop (and the ATM card) He left the door unlocked and again, there is nothing out there that says this was his "norm". He remembered that he had left it unlocked. He used the words, "she was STILL breathing" and "I called 911 as soon as I could." I think there is enough speech out there that it implies to ME, that he DID know what was going to happen that day. JMO.


Rosy said...

Rosy said...
at 4:26

Temperature on Tuesday Nov 10 2014
Lo 40° High 56°
Sunrise 7:23 AM EST
^^^
The date I wrote there was my error for 2015. The temps actually are for 2015, is the link I gave.

Truthseeker said...

Larry Taylor didnt confess to anything.

Nic, Good catch on came home "to discover".

The more I think about it, the more it seems "to discover" could mean Amanda had been laying there since the day before.

Think about it: "find"----I "found" my keys which were missing for 10 minutes.

I "discovered" a ship wreck.
(You get my point..."discover", as well as being as you pointed out, a word of stirytelling, implies that whatever is being found had been there for a WHILE.

Nic said...

Truth seeker,
Following is my opinion:

I think the two shots heard was a lie. (What she heard and what the CI said Taylor said he did line up.)

Per the PC, LE went back later to retrieve a third bullet. The hole was discovered on the stair landing and the bullet was found under the stairs. Maybe the bullet wound to the forarm wasn't noticeable because she was face down, so they got the number wrong.

Bullet #1, traveled up her left forearm and lodged into her biceps. She was descending the stairs arm/s out in a defensive manner and she took the shot from a right-handed shooter into her left arm, (the shooter pointing the gun up the stairs in her direction.)

Bullet # 2 Amanda's upper back gunshot wound was downward, through and through. Meaning she was on her knees, head down and bowing as the bullet entered the upper back, exited the upper back, blew through the landing and lodged under the stairs.


#1 descending the stairs
#2 on the landing
#3 on the living room, where she was found

Bullet # 3 she went (aided/unaided) from the stair landing to the living room floor. The coroner doesn't report how the bullet travelled, The bullet was lodged in her head, but her face, except for the split lip and knocked out tooth, was intact? There's nothing saying it wasn't.

She descended the stairs in her underwear to strangers? I don't believe so. Her phone was upstairs, her baby was upstairs and her dog was unable to assist (in a room upstairs). IMO, she descended trusting whomever was at the bottom of the stairs.

This is my opinion based on the Affidavit of Probable Cause for Amanda Blackburn.



Truthseeker said...

Nic,

That is an extremely intelligent and well-thought out opinion on what possibly happened. I also agree that she trusted the shooter.
IMO, Davey lets it leak through in his language that Amanda was kneeling, head bowed when she received the final shot to the head.

flightfulbird said...

It definitely makes sense that Amanda trusted whoever was downstairs. The scenario Nic laid out lines up completely.

And the gunshot to the back of the head makes it personal - an execution of sorts - as has been said so many times by others before - not something that would be done by a random burglar just wanting to be sure the homeowner would never be able to identify him/her in the future.

Does this mean that Natasha Tank Jones was told by someone to say that there were two gunshots - that she heard the shots and a woman scream at approximately 6:40-6:45am?

Anonymous said...

No flightful, natasha could be mistaken about the time. Time could've been 5:40/5:45.

MsDp

Hey Jude said...

Larry Taylor was (supposedly) wearing someone else's distinctive Pelle Pelle jacket that morning - or the others just placed him in that jacket, when really the owner was wearing it. Who would send someone out a burgling in their own jacket - that would be asking for trouble? I do suspect he was set up.

The Swisher Sweets packet I am pretty sure was staged by Davey (if his reported reaction was as stated). Davey said the pack shouldn't have been in his house - that's an odd choice of wording, if that IS how he put it. I would say 'those are not ours - someone must have been here and left them' - I'd know straight away someone one had been in my house. Davey said he had no idea. He must have had an idea the moment he saw the cigarette/cigar pack, if everything else hadn't already made that obvious to him.

If he put it that way - ''should not be in my house' - that's passive. He didn't connect the cigarette packet to a home invader, which would be expected. He didn't say 'they are not mine' or 'they are not Amanda's'. We know they were not Amanda's - he also does not say they are not his. I would expect 'they are not mine' - 'or they are not ours' and 'whoever did this must have left them'. Why didn't he say that? People don't like to lie, so Davey just said they should not be in his house?

Leslie said...

Nic, your theory sounds well thought out and plausible, to me.

I remember speculation about where Amanda's dog, Mel, was during attack(s). But, I don't recall that question being answered in the PC. Are we certain Mel was upstairs at that time?

Leslie said...

Hey Jude, I seem to recall that DB said there were "Swisher Sweets on the kitchen counter that they don't belong there." Either way, he didn't say they weren't his, or where they belong.

Hey Jude said...

I would not think the person who reported hearing gunshots lied. Are we not meant to start from the assumption that people are telling the truth unless they give us reason to believe otherwise? We have no reason to believe the neighbour was lying. As we know nothing, shouldn't the resumption remain that she was truthful?

I wondered if the first gunshot woke her, but she only registered the other two - she may not have realised she was woken by a gunshot, if that was the case.
---

Mel was in the bedroom, and greeted LE in a friendly manner when one of them opened the door - they gave no indication that she was crated.

Anonymous said...

Davey is stoopid.

Larry ise bein inoseant.

Mel said...

Woof woof Davey deed ite

Hey Jude said...

I will check what he said - I know it was passive and he didn't connect them to a home invader - also, he should have said they were not his.

Truthseeker said...

Flightful,

The neighbor didnt lie. She heard what she heard--2 shots--and then police fashioned the coerced confession from that info. "Shot her in upper body" is police lingo; there is no way I believe the CI actually said that unless he was parroting back what his interrogators told him.

Leslie said...

Hey Jude said...

Mel was in the bedroom, and greeted LE in a friendly manner when one of them opened the door - they gave no indication that she was crated.
. . .
I do remember reading or hearing that, but, somehow thought that was when LE returned to the house. So, if that was when LE first arrived, it is curious what DB was doing between when he walked in, and when he called 911 as soon as he could. I guess we have no way of knowing for sure if Mel was crated or muzzled during the attack(s).

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude

"Larry Taylor was (supposedly) wearing someone else's distinctive Pelle Pelle jacket that morning - or the others just placed him in that jacket, when really the owner was wearing it. Who would send someone out a burgling in their own jacket - that would be asking for trouble? I do suspect he was set up."

Yes. Why send out a loose cannon newbie on an important job, when you can do it yourself and pin it on him instead? Job is done and loose cannon is off the street.

Davey is an admitted control freak and ALLEGEDLY would have wanted it done professionally and neatly. Davey? Jessup? Set us straight. Who ordered the code blue?

Anonymous said...

Not saying the person intentionally lied about the time, however, the person could have made a mistake. Example, the time had just switch back to standard time, maybe Natasha's clock was still set up for daylight savings time. Therefore when she was awaken by gunshots and screams it didn't register to her that the clock was still set for daylight savings time. I, for one, never reset my clocks right away. It maybe weeks before I change them.

MsDp

lynda said...

OT...Baby Deorr

It has been less than a year since Baby went missing. Jessica Mitchell (mom) is now married to James Anderson, NOT to Deorr Sr. They broke up, he moved to Nevada. Klein Investigations has released a snippet of part of their televised interview in March that was never shown. In it, you hear Deorr tell her to say, "SAY HAS, NOT HAD" in reference to the baby. He's either coaching her on her "tenses" or he's chastising her for saying HAD instead of HAS. Scroll down until you see video of Jessica. Her reaction after he tells her that is interesting

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/?fref=nf

Anonymous said...

Well at least this thread made it a couple of days before totally jumping the shark.

You know what Sherlock Holmes always said: "If you can't make the evidence fit your narrative, just disregard it."

......Oh, wait, no he didn't!

Hey Jude said...

'David Blackburn stated that the Swisher Sweet package should not be in their residence.' -

Just checked - that's what it says in the Probable Cause Affidavit - so, as I was.

Leslie said...

Thanks for verifying, Hey Jude. That's an odd way that he phrased it (I realize it was not his exact quote in the PC, but, still...). And, you're right- he never said they weren't his or theirs.

Oh please said...

"It takes me weeks to accomplish the simple task of setting my clocks after a time change, therefore I choose to believe that the neighbor who heard the gunshots hadn't changed her clocks yet. That way, I can change the timeline to show the gunshots occurred while DB was home to fit my preferred narrative."

Bobcat said...

Natasha said she heard what "sounded like" a woman scream.

A gun was found in a yard nearby.

Maybe Amanda had already been shot earlier (since Davey assures Weston that the last time he saw Amanda was when she put him to bed - but how could Davey be SURE if Amanda hadn't tended to Weston while he was at the gym the next morning UNLESS he had already incapacitated her before he left???), and the shots and "scream" during the time period that Natasha heard them were staged?

"And that was the last time you saw her."
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

Anonymous said...

Oh please. Yep, it's possible.

MsDp

Hey Jude said...

Lynda - OT - DeOrr

That helps explain why Trina said, in the earlier interviewer, that they needed DeOrr back so 'DeOrr can raise his son'. Remember how at the time we thought it was odd how she separated Jessica and DeOrr's need to have DeOrr back, and how, in her mind, it would be DeOrr who would be the one raising him? Interesting - I wonder for how long Jessica had been seeing the new guy.

Anonymous said...

Answer: He can't be sure.

Other answer: He lies. He can't be sure but presents it as if he is.

Why do you choose to believe him on that point? Because you believe anything that could possibly implicate him and dismiss as lies anything that makes him look less "guilty"?

Anonymous said...

Me2l ise backe. Godde helpe us alllllllll!!!!!

Hey Jude said...

Truthseeker - 'the upper body' is so vague - if Larry Taylor had shot Amanda, I'd think, as he apparently got so close as to lean over her to watch her bleed, that he'd have a clearer idea of where he shot her. Upper body, that's quite an area. It sounds as if the CI doesn't know where she was shot, and therefore Larry Taylor had not been more specific in what he is supposed to have told the CI - and also that neither do those who helped write his statement, otherwise it would have been at least a bit more specific.

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 8:09,

Other than the sentence beginning with "And", the phrase is presented in a reliable form.

The And indicates missing information between it and the sentence before it.

The statements about Amanda putting Weston to bed are likely reliable.

What came after she put Weston to bed is missing. Amanda disappears (from ALL of Davey's narrations) after putting Weston to bed. Davey has not once mentioned her activities on the morning of November 10, other than laying on the floor still breathing.

...And that was the last time Weston saw her. :-(

Hey Jude said...

Oh please - I know you are being sarcastic, but you might have a point - I can't be alone in keeping my bedside clock set an hour ahead - some people like to do that, and it is that time, so far as I am concerned, until I see the kitchen clock.

I think the suggestion that someone might have fired two shots outside and dumped the gun bears thinking about two - keepin in mind that it was not found to be the murder weapon. A strange coincidence - a gun disposed of quite nearby. Anyone can scream like a girl - theatrics and Davey go together. Well, It's not outside the realms of possibility, is it?

flightfulbird said...

Bobcat at 8:06 wrote-

". . . how could Davey be SURE if Amanda hadn't tended to Weston while he was at the gym the next morning UNLESS he had already incapacitated her before he left???), and the shots and "scream" during the time period that Natasha heard them were staged?"

"And that was the last time you saw her."
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/ "

and at 8:21pm wrote -

"What came after she put Weston to bed is missing. Amanda disappears (from ALL of Davey's narrations) after putting Weston to bed. Davey has not once mentioned her activities on the morning of November 10, other than laying on the floor still breathing.

...And that was the last time Weston saw her. :-( "


Davey was SO exact when describing Amanda's activities, where he found her, what she was doing - on the morning of the day BEFORE the murder. He has vivid memories and can describe in great detail things they had done in the past (way before this happened), as well.

To have him leave out any mention of what she was doing the night before, what they did together, what kind of night she had - - and then revealing anything whatsoever about her from that morning as well - speaks of hiding something. Woke up, read my Bible, grabbed my gym clothes - nothing about whether she was awake, if he kissed her goodbye when she was in the kitchen making coffee, if she was reading her Bible in her bed.

Maybe she wasn't alive by then - maybe she was - but there is NO WAY Davey can be so sure that the last time Weston saw Amanda was when she tucked him into bed the night before. Davey was away from the house from 6-6:10am until he walked in at 8:20am - over two hours. Amanda would have tended to him when he woke up - fed him if he was hungry - at least looked in on him.

Yeah, unless Davey knew Amanda was already incapable of tending to Weston, there's no way he could know and so confidently say "and that was the last time you saw her".

mom2many said...

The question posed is, did Davey know that there would be a home invasion?

I went back and reviewed some of his statements about that day. (As an aside, which Statement was this that you quoted, Peter with "to discover." Bobcat's collection does not include that exact statement, but does include one that says, "to, to discover my worst nightmare...") Davey always skips time between getting up and/or reading his bible and leaving for the gym. He also always skips over what happened at the gym, even though he compulsively explains why other things happened. When he offers these "why" explanations, he does so out of order. In the second address at Newspring, he heads out the door, and launches into an explanation of his phone call with his friend, then reverts back to the gym.

In the first address at Newspring, he gets out of bed, then tells us what he was not thinking. In light of the repeated portrayal of Amanda as a sacrifice, and Amanda as having been surrendered, his choice of words are unexpected and jarring. He says, "You never think about, y-, you don’t really walk through life going this could be, ah, an, ah, an altering day."

As a pastor, the concept of an altar is a familiar one, even in churches that do not use one. The phrase should read, "a life-altering day," but that isn't what he says. Was this an altering day because it was the day he prepared Amanda as a sacrifice? The day he "helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless."

Davey repeats that he had no idea someone had been in the house. He claims he thought miscarriage. Amanda was shot through her back. The Statement of Probable Cause states she was found face down, nude, with her shirt pulled up. This description sounds like her back would have been immediately visible. Forget all the arguments about a head injury from a fall, etc. What about the through and through bullet wounds in her back? Repeated insistence that he had no idea about anything that happened make the statement highly sensitive.

Because of the totality of Davey's statements, I conclude that the answer is, yes, Davey knew his home would be invaded, and further, he knew what would happen to his wife and child.

Hey Jude said...

Amanda wouldn't have screamed if there had been duct tape over her mouth - that could leave 'scratches' on her face when it was pulled off. Not claiming that happened, just wondering about the duct tape. If Davey staged the crime scene, then Davey had a reason to leave a roll of duct tape near Amanda. Anyone would be well surrendered by duct tape, for sure..that is true, I know they have not indicated that Amanda had been restrained - yet she may have been - they also don't release all the information, Larry Taylor apparently said 'scratches' -yet did he say it was him who caused them? He/the CI make no mention of duct tape, so if there was any, that was not on her when Taylor was there. I want to know if duct tape was put on Amanda and if that caused the scratches. Why was Davey searching round for her - why does he tell us all that stuff about looking for her, and how she wasn't propped up in her normal place - wasn't where he expected her to be . I do wonder if she had moved from where he had left her ('propped up'?) and if she was trying to hide from or escape from him. Well, If he put the swisher sweets there, it was he who put the duct tape there, too . Amanda was shot twice and conceivably would have done at least some screaming before the final shot to her head - unless there was duct tape over her mouth. Too bad to think like that, but Tsylor seems only to have observed that there were scratches - he didn't say he caused them. How did they get there if it was not by him? What was Davey doing during his unaccounted for time after he variously 'was awake' and 'woke up'? He spent some time with the Lord 'right there' on his couch - was Amanda on the living room floor while he spent time with the Lord in the couch? Is there some significance to 'right there'? Remember DeOrr Sr said that little DeOrr was 'right there where it was at'? I don't know what spending time with the Lord means to Davey, besides the time he told us about in the shower, and the time he claimed God smacked him in the face.

Hey Jude said...

Mom2many - the 'altering day' and the 'altar' connection you make with his claim that he helped present Amanda as a sacrifice is very good - great post.

Bobcat said...

http://resonateindianapolis.com/2015/11/statement-from-davey-blackburn/

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt her desire for me would be to continue what we’ve started here in Indy.

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

"She gave her life so you could have yours. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt she did what she had to do that morning to protect you."

Hey Jude said...

Bobcat - she heard only 'what sounded like a woman scream'? That's different from hearing a woman scream. She may have heard a man scream like a woman. She may have heard a bird screeching. She may have imagined a scream as she had heard two shots - perhaps she anticipated hearing a scream, or perhaps she over-responded to questioning as to if she had heard a woman scream.

A witness in the Oscar Pistorius trial was accused of 'trying to fill the gaps' and giving differing accounts of what she heard - screams can be tricky it seems, and the memory can play tricks round gunshots and screams. One thing I find interesting for comparison is how the witness heard 'blood curdling' screams before the four gunshots - Reeva knew she was being targeted and responded accordingly. Amanda's expected blood-curdling screams should have followed at least the first shot, but were not heard by anyone. Maybe there was just one scream if the first shot was through her back - she may not have been able to scream after that. If it was the arm injury, she should have screamed a lot. She could not have screamed after the shot to the head, so that must have come later - yet no-one heard that later shot, which seems strange.

On reflection, perhaps the neighbour was trying to fill the gaps, and did not hear shots or screams - as so many have asked, if she heard them, why did she not call the police? Perhaps she did not hear them really, but 'misremembered'. :) I don't know - not all witness recall is reliable, is it?

Leslie said...

Mom2many, I think this is where Peter got DB's quote, "...I came home from the gym to discover...." It's DB's bio on his blog, or, rather, his "story":

https://daveyblackburn.com/my-story/
....

There are LOTS of good finds, thoughts and analogies being posted!

mom2many said...

Leslie, Thank you, that's it. I wanted to read the rest.

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