Wednesday, July 6, 2016

Interview: Criminal Psychologist Nicolai Sennels

Interview with psychologist Nicolai Sennels: “Muslims instinctively see our lack of reaction as fear, its an invitation to attack”Interview with psychologist Nicolai Sennels: “Muslims instinctively see our lack of reaction as fear, its an invitation to attack”

Please note some translation issues)

Interview in the Hapeles Orthodox Jewish newspaper. Here is the original English interview:
1) What are the differences between the Muslim and Western man?

Nicolai: Working with Muslim clients I found four important psychological differences. Understanding these differences makes us more able to understand the psychological aspects of integration problems that the West experiences when it comes to Muslim immigrants.
The first difference concerns anger. Western cultures see anger as a weakness, and expression of anger is a way to lose social status. In the Muslim culture, where , “might is right”, anger is seen as strength. Some Muslim communities even declares “days of anger”, where they try to convince others by screaming, shooting in the air and hopping up and down. While we Westerners see such behaviour as embracing or even psychiatric, Muslim cultures defines our lack of aggression as weakness, that can – and should – be exploited. To avoid such invitations to exploitation, we should speak the truth, make demands, be consequent – and carry a big stick.
The second difference concerns honor and self confidence. Inside the Western culture it is generally seen as a sign of honor and self confidence, if we are able to handle criticism either with and shrug (if we disagree) or with a “I think you are right – thanks for helping me to improve”. In Muslim culture, it is honorable to defend against criticism with aggression and exhibit the courage to risk physical confrontation – no matter if the criticism is true or not. Islam can not defend, Islam can only attack. This is why we very seldom hear Muslims defend their religion through logic or reason, but almost always with intimidation and violence: It does not matter who is right, it matters who is the strongest. From the perspective of traditional Muslim culture, the Western concept of honor is dishonorable. It makes us look pathetic and fearful, and for a religion that is basically imperialistic and aggressive, it is an invitation to attack.
The third difference concerns self responsibility, and here the psychological term “locus of control” is important to understand. Western culture leans towards an inner locus of control, meaning that we think that our lives are mainly governed by inner factors, such as our own choices, our own view and our way of handling our emotions. That is why we have countless therapists, coaches etc., and countless books and magazines, which all aim at helping us to be better at helping ourselves. Muslim culture and especially Islam is strongly characterized by outer locus of control. Everything happens “Inshallah”; almost every aspect of life is regulated by Islamic law, the brutal sharia that steals away so many human rights from the people living under it; male authorities – fathers, big brothers, uncles, imams, etc. – make the rules and have enormous power over especially the women. There is very little room for personal choices and freedoms, and this naturally creates a feeling of outer locus of control: Your life is created by outside factors, and the freedom to explore and train inner locus of control is very limited. This is also the reason for the world famous, and – from a Western perspective – embarrassing and childish victim mentality, that characterizes many Muslim communities and immigrants. When this victim mentality meets with our Western compassion and questions like “what would you like to do”, integration is doomed to fail. Only now Western authorities are beginning to learn that we need to meet Muslim immigrants with demands, consequences – “you have to do this and that and this is the consequences if you do not.” People with outer locus of control mostly have very little control and needs clear communication, a clear frame work and clear consequences if they break the rules. But even though we are starting to realize this now, it might be too late to stop the failed integration of millions of people from this very different culture from destroying our societies.
The fourth difference concerns tolerance and openness. In the West, being “tolerant and open” is considered a de facto definition of a good person. Hundred years ago, “good persons” went to church every Sunday, while today they stand with #RefugeesWelcome signs on train stations. In Islam, at good person is somebody adhering strictly to the sharia, which is very intolerant and closed – even violent – towards outsiders. One does not have to be a rocket scientist to predict how the meeting between to such different cultures will evolve: As a cultural osmosis, the “open” culture will be consumed by the intolerant culture: The cultural exchange will be a one-way street. This is what is eating up our countries these years in the form of Islamic parallel societies that develop into small Gaza Strips with extreme dense population; radical Islam going viral; poverty, low education and dependence on economic support from outside; and a hostile and violent attitude towards their non-Muslim surroundings: A constant source of aggression that needs constant containment in order not to spill over and into its context.

2) What are the characteristics of Arab culture, as expressed in communication with the Western world?

Nicolai: Arab culture’s, or Muslim culture’s exchange with the Western world is mainly characterized by the Western world trying to contain – or sometime even harvest and exploit it through proxy wars – Muslim aggression. There is very little communication based on the two parties being equal. Instead, the West use appeasement, diplomacy, bribing or bombs in an attempt to tame the constant flow of violence and aggressive imperialism. From the Islamic side, they instinctively have spotted our weaknesses mentioned above, and they are convinced that through the power of their god and through patience and intimidation, they will continue and finish the work that their prophet began one and a half millenium ago and which has already emptied most of the Middle East, North Africa and great parts of Asia from non-Muslims.

3) How can a Muslim change and build a different personality that integrates in the western world?

Well, since this would mean that they would have to adopt a long list of human rights (democracy, freedom of speech, sexuality, religion, etc.) that the sharia punishes with death, it would first and foremost be based on security for those wishing to change. We can start by undermining the sources of the sharia, the imams and the mosques.

4) If they are so different, what are they looking for in Western countries?

Nicolai: Safety, freedom, money and material goods, uniting with their families, and spreading the sharia. Unfortunately, on an average, they give very little back to the countries they enter, and often their concept of freedom is not compatible with human rights and democracy. Of course there are also many Muslims who want to really integrate and embrace our values and rights, but much too often they are stopped by their Islamic surroundings or their own lack of motivation or skills.

5) One who does not integrate – what happens to him? When does he turn into a criminal and when does he run a normal life?

Nicolai: To integrate you need three things. You have to want it, you have to be allowed by you Muslim peers and family, and you have to be able to. Much too few Muslim immigrants, refugees and their descendants manages all three. Because of their intolerant culture, they many have very little or no feeling of commitment and thankfulness towards non-Islamic culture and societies. And if our Western welfare societies provides them with food, money and housing – even if they do not integrate one inch – why should they integrate? And if we let radical imams and mosques spread all over, how can we expect that any attempt on integration into our Wester values will be supported by the Muslim community? And if we do not discriminate between what immigrants we take, and therefore end up with millions of illiterate, uneducated and often inbred migrants, how can we expect that they are able to integrate into our high tech, knowledge-based civilized societies?

6) What often happens in the next generation – in both cases?

Nicolai: The first generation often has a sense of thankfulness to the country receiving them. Statistics show that the following generation are more criminal. Those who really integrates often have to live in fear from the practising Muslims. Some even need police protection.

7) What are the consequences of a failed immigration?

Nicolai: Ultimately it will lead to civil war inside our countries. The point where we could handle this challenge without blood, sweat and tears was passed decades ago. I blame our politicians and media.

8) How can the western world deal with it successfully?

Nicolai: a) Stop Muslim immigration. b) Help refugees in their own region, where they feel home with their culture, language and climate. In this way we can afford to help many more, and not just the young men that are sent here. On top, the refugees will not have to live with the extra traumatization that happens when especially disadvantaged people move to a completely other culture. c) Honorary repatriation for non-citizens who are not self-supporting, speaking the language and law abiding. d) Long prison sentences in prisons outsourced outside Europe to Muslim criminals (so they do not radicalize and intimidate non-Muslim prisoners in national prisons, cheaper). e) Close down every mosque and Islamic organisation that do not actively support democratic values and human rights and which do not openly and pro-actively reject the criminal principles and verses of the Islamic scriptures and of the example of their prophet. f) Integration should be based on demands and consequences. Not complying should lead to honorary repatriation.

9) The protesters against Islam-phobia, what leads them? Are they right and honest, or is it a cover for something deeper?

Nicolai: The greatest islamophobes are to be found among the Muslims themselves. Only fear can lead people to accept such a suppressive system. As one imam said, Islam would have been long gone, had it not been for sharia’s death penalty for apostacy. I think Western protesters against “islamophobia” are either afraid to confront an obviously criminal, sexist and fascist ideology and its intolerant and violent adherents, or they are simply being naive and a modern day version of the “good people”. The violent “anti-fascists” I consider a reincarnation, half joking, of the Inquisition.

10) After the Danish Mohammad cartoon was published in the news – what did you learn from the reactions of both sides (Islamic and western)?

Nicolai: We learned that giving into Muslims demands will just lead to more demands. That we have to find our footing, define our values and borders, and we ready to protect them by any means necessary. And Muslims got aquinted with the concept of Free Speech.

11) What reactions do you get from your writings?

Nicolai: I think many people find that a psychological perspective on the subject helps to understand the dynamics of the situation. I have of course been accused of racism from the Left, but I am no racist. Islam is not a race. It is a weapon of mass destruction (that the CIA have been exploiting for decades) and the greatest enemy of peace, freedom, democracy and human rights. I was born into a Leftist family, and the values that I grew up with – the equality of women, a critical view on the dangerous power of religion, and the freedom for the little guy to speak freely – I consider basic values of the Left. I feel today that I am a Leftist, but somehow the world changed, and today basic Leftist values are, if applied to Islam and Muslim culture, considered “far Right”. I do not care. I am true to myself and wish happiness and freedom for everybody, Muslims and non-Muslims.”


Anonymous said...

Pretty frightening, considering everything
we know about the current administration.
Or is he talking about the current administration ?

Tania Cadogan said...

This is brilliantly well thought out and explained.
He states the obvious, that which we the public see and hear on a daily basis whereas the do gooders, the liberals, the bleeding hearts, refuse to see the truth.

For them to see the truth and know it to be so would be a body blow to their beliefs,a killing blow to their very core.
That what they say and do is not seen as a kindness, a mercy, something for them to be grateful for by muslims, it is seen as weakness, stupidity, abject submissio.

We are the cause of our own downfall, our extinction.

Every time we acede to their demands, no matter how petty, it is yet another nail in our coffin, a noose around our necks.

Common sense would have stepped in the moment we saw the atrocities being committed against not only Jews and Christians, muslims as well.
We acted against hitler and the nazis when we saw the genocide and atrocities.
We said enough and we went to war against germany, twice.

Islam is the same ideology except they hate everyone including fellow muslims.
Why are we ignoring it?

We have the precedents, we saw what was happening, we saw the invasions, the cruelty and we acted, the whole world reacted for t knew what would happen if it didn't.
We as a world knew what would happen if we lost.

Even today we act against those who supported hitler, the third reich, nazism.
Antisemitism is not tolerated and punished as are holocaust deniers.

Yet when we see muslims doing the exact same thing, the rape and murder, the atrocities we forgive them, we deny it is islam and muslims. following the koran.
We blame extremists, we blame radicals, we blame ourselves for provoking them.

Will the world wait until concentration camps appear?
Well we don't bother about those, just look at north korea.

Unknown said...

Great article - thanks for posting.

Tania Cadogan said...

cont. and my apologies for a long rant.

The self proclaimed caliphate is thought of as a town or village when they are basically concentration camps without the crematoria.
We see random executions in a variety of interesting and usually agonising ways, we see rape of children, even of babies and toddlers, we see slavery, we see physical abuse against women of any age, we see the emotional abuse of young boys.
We all see this and yet our so called leaders do what they always do which is minimize and deceive.

This is world war 3, this is the world against an ideology that will brook no refusal, that praises intolerance and subjugation as what every man should be.

This will end up as a nuclear war, how can it be any other way?
We know they are doing their darnedest to get nuclear weapons, heck even dirty bombs will do.
They will promptly obliterate Israel even though knowing it will be the end of themselves.

They don't care.
They will go to paradise as per the koran, it is win win for them.

We have to face up to the fact that no muslim can be trusted.
We have to face up to the fact that the cute boy walking towards you in a market is likely to be a suicide bomber who will have no qualms about taking as many people out with him as possible.

Those who 'escape' from Syria, cannot be trusted.
We have seen the 'cubs' beheading and shooting prisoners.
they are brainwashed and are likely to be far crueler than any adult.
We all saw what happened in Cambodia when children were handing over their own parents for some perceived crime.
If you get them early enough you have them for life.

It will be far worse than anything hitler did.
How do you reason with someone who wants you dead and has no qualms about dying if it means you die as well.

In previous wars, soldiers and citizens would surrender, they wanted to live, it is natural instinct.
In islam if they die, great, the men get to paradise and unlimited virgins who stay perpetual virgins.
the women remain subservient to their husbands, no difference there then for women paradise, no reward, only perpetual slavery.

How do you reason with an ideology that at best wants you enslaved or at worst, dead.

If we surrender, we die or are enslaved.
If we fight it will be all or nothing, we have to win at all costs if we want to stay alive and live a life of freedom.

Deals, agreements, accords, cooperation are all pointless, it only gives them more power and control over us.

We have to say enough.
We have to make sure our leaders see the truth no matter how much is hurts them.

It will be them or us and, I hope for the world's sake, it is us

Anonymous said...

I want to know where the west is finally demanding the Mslm immigrants understand conduct & consequences. Minnesota USA: Somali youths rampaging thru affluent neighborhoods threatening assault & rape. No Media Coverage? No Consequenses? Its front-page news worthy.

Nic said...

"Islam can not defend, Islam can only attack. This is why we very seldom hear Muslims defend their religion through logic or reason, but almost always with intimidation and violence: It does not matter who is right, it matters who is the strongest. "

Wow. Well said.

This whole article is something to be saved and shared. Thank you, Peter.

Nic said...

Tania said:
For them to see the truth and know it to be so would be a body blow to their beliefs,a killing blow to their very core.

Yes, they would be forced to "double down". It's so unfortunate for us and generations to come. I fear my two kids.

And if our Western welfare societies provides them with food, money and housing – even if they do not integrate one inch – why should they integrate?

I note when driving by the major shopping facilities in my city the number of satellite dishes on the apartment balconies. They don't have to integrate/assimilate, [they] satellite "home" into their living rooms 24/7.

Nic said...

Tania said"
Why are we ignoring it?

Because we westerners have supposedly "evolved" into elitists and therefore we must suffer.

This whole ball of wax makes me think of "Flagellantism".

Flog, flog, flog.


Nic said...

I'm going to get piled upon for saying this and I don't care. IMO, we (men and women!) are "victims" of feminism. Feminism has undermined the education of our men, and their place in society. Being strong has become politically incorrect. This is where we have failed.

trustmeigetit said...

Our president doesn't allow it..

Which is why most of us are praying Trump wins.

He will cut them off.

It's our only hope.

Hillary plans to bring in millions.

I try hard to make people see the truth

That at the core this false prophet said God told him to marry a 6 year old child.

If you go no further, understand that one thing and realize we can not accept this.

I still don't get how so many have.

It makes no sense to me yet the blindly follow.

It won't stop unless Trump wins. But I honestly fear Hillary has this election rigged. I pray it's not true but she clearly has support from those in power.

Women especially tell me I'm racist, mean etc etc but I always remind them who these people worship.

As a woman you will loose rights and freedoms if they win.

All they need to win is numbers.

1 million can turn into 2 million and so on.

trump will keep them out.

I may not like some of what he's said and done, but you know what he is.

And he is not pro Muslim

He will call it what it is.

Hillary lies, lies and lies somemore

How anyone can not see that blows my mind.

Even as basic as "dodging sniper fire"

So many videos taping yet she still didn't think twice about lying about it sever times.

I will continue to "troll" her commenters that love her with facts, videos, etc...

She needs to be stopped.

There's even a thing going around Facebook now... Someone that claims he knows.... But says American is so focused on emails and Benghazi that we are missing the real corruption. Her Clinton Foubdation. That's so many are involved that she has leverage. But that the people need to get that to light.

That we don't even begin to understand the evil going on while we are all focused on emails.

when I watch Scandal, sure makes you wonder.

But people need to start paying attention to what this evil woman is doing behind the fake smiles!

trustmeigetit said...

Some of you may find this interesting.

This Arab show was discussing the controversial book "The People vs Mohammad" and this former Muslim was so angry people still follow him. He was calling him an evil false prophet.

I feel like more people need to wake up and get pissed.

Recently, an Arab TV station discussed the controversial book 'The People vs Muhammad'.

trustmeigetit said...

If Trump wins, this will change overnight.
He doesn't care of he offends them.

It's what is needed

Anonymous said...

Yes,now how do we convince all the black people and illegals that America will be better off if Trump wins? They have it made under democratic rule, they want the handouts to continue.

Lizyanbudy said...

I agree.

ima.grandma said...

Nic, I'm so pleased to read your comment re: feminism. It's a topic worthy of conversation and discourse. While women have become self masculinised, men have become pure sissies. Women need to stop pushing for dominance and fight for the beauty of womanhood and motherhood. We need to re-realise and appreciate our gender as the caregiver of families, communities and nations. I'm afraid women are determined to become models of previous chauvinistic societies of which we fought so hard to overcome. Our true purpose and destiny as women has been overshadowed. I hope the future will become one where women celebrate our gift of womanly attributes, perhaps return to biblical gender roles. Our families need the caregiving and nurturing only women are designed to provide.

ima.grandma said...

I'm not sure Gloria Steinham envisioned Hillary in control wayback in the sixties. We are off track.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT Update:


"Not only am I not believing he was ever there, but I’m believing that we have a homicide.”

Includes tthree Vt clips. One with The sheriff of Lemhi County, and another with Philip Klien private investigator, hired and fired by the DeOrr family.

1)2:06 mins

"Blood evidence that was taken by the FBI on the wheel base of a truck also the bumper of a truck"

Cadaver dogs got 3 positive hits in 3 positive areas.

And, Allen Browning, an Idaho Falls attorney representing Kunz Sr., also appeared on the show.

C5H11ONO said...

When Comey was asked if Hillary lied, he asked, "to the FBI"? It is a sensitive question as he is aware she has lied, but not to the FBI.

mom2many said...

It was my opinion that DeOrr Sr. words suggested he ran little DeOrr over. I don't recall the exact wording, but he referenced how quickly the little guy could move, how he saw him until he didn't, coupled with the sensitivity around the truck. The blood evidence is consistent with that. What I can't figure out, is why then hide it? Did he throw little D in the truck to try to haul him to the hospital, but he obviously was too far, too late, so he just picked a place to bury him? It is hard to believe a parent would do that.

Anonymous said...

Something rang very wrong in my brain when the FBI decided not to press charges. The Dems are already Married to their candidate, no turning back now. Deals were made, and now either the FBI is in her pocket or she in theirs. We can't trust Hilary. We really can't trust our government at all. What is their job? To work For The People. Protect the citizens. It's a terrible feeling to not trust those in charge.

Anonymous said...

Puh-lease! There are way more fat rural whites on welfare and Medicaid than blacks and what you call illegals. And they're not getting executed by cops.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11:35am...
I am interested in where you get your data. Please validate your statement by citing your source.


I agree with you completely. Any normal, innocent parent would get to a hospital or other medical facility/ambulance ASAP and demand they save their child. Death doesn't register in a parent's mind, not even when the doctor delivers the news. Denial is the first emotion. There is no way an innocent parent would just stop seeking help and bury their child.


Alexandra said...


I said I didnt believe that he was ever at the campsite when the case was being discussed...primarily bc of the lack of any mention of anything baby Deorr had been doing, eating, saying, mood, or location (other than "we thought he would be good with Grandpa by the fire) That along with Dad Deorr's excessive praising of searchers and their equipment...Dad Deorr was playing a cat and mouse game and knew searchers wouldnt find him bc he was never up there to begin with. Grandma (diaper disposer) knows where he is too.

Alexandra said...


I dont think he got run over. Because why wouldnt they have taken him to the hospital.

Do you guys remember the bizarre thing where a kid who looked exactly like baby DeOrr was spotted wandering in the lobby of a motel after baby DeOrr went missing and he was allowed to leave with the individual who claimed to be his parent? And cops didnt check any kind of identification of the woman who claimed him?
I tend to think it is a homicide but the "sighting" at the store of Dad DeOrr buying him candy to calm him...and I remember linguistically there were some indicators he had been sold to someone. Stuff Dad DeOrr said.

Bobcat said...

"Hi. This is me telling everyone in my life at once why I haven't been around. This will not interest everyone so feel free to disregard.
I was in the ICU all of last week and I am insanely lucky to be alive. Don't even know why I went to the doctor, it was just a sore throat. But I had a freak case of epiglottitis.
I owe my life to Dr. Shawn Nasseri, Dr. Robert Naruse, Dr. Rob Huizenga, every nurse, and every technician & orderly at Cedars who's punch-the-clock jobs happen to save human lives on the regular.
There's something that happens when three people you're so close to die within a year and then YOU almost die but don't. (That was me. I'm the one that didn't die.) It's a strange dichotomy between, "Why me?" and the other, "Why me?"
They couldn't put me fully to sleep for the recovery process because my blood pressure's too low. I was drugged just enough to not feel the pain and have no idea what was happening or where I was. They had to have my hands restrained to keep me from pulling out my breathing tube. My friend Stephanie said I kept writing "was I in an accident?"
When I woke up 5 days later I didn't remember anything. I thanked everyone at the ICU for my life, went home, and then slowly as the opiates faded away, remembered the trauma of the surgery & spent the first two days home kind of free-falling from the meds / lack of meds and the paralyzing realization that nothing matters. Luckily that was followed by the motivating revelation that nothing matters.
I'm so moved by my real-life hero, Michael, and amazing Sissies (blood & otherwise) & friendos, who all coordinated so that there wasn't a moment I was alone. It makes me cry. Which hurts my throat. So stop.
Anyway there are some funny stories too.
I couldn't speak for a while and I don't remember a lot of my "lucid" time, but Amy (the Zvi) told me I stopped a nurse - like it was an emergency - furiously wrote down a note and gave it to her. When she looked at it, it just said, "Do you live with your mother?" next to a drawing of a penis.
Also, when I first woke up and the breathing tube came out, I still couldn't talk and they gave me a board of letters to communicate. My loved ones stood there, so curious what was going to be the first thing I had to say. They followed my finger, rapt, as I pointed from letter to letter until I finally spelled out, "Did you see 'Hello My Name is Doris.'"
I love you all. Your friend,

ima.grandma said...

Sarah is wrong. Everything matters.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:35am...
I am interested in where you get your data. Please validate your statement by citing your source.

If you are the one who said

"all the black people and illegals that America will be better off if Trump wins? They have it made under democratic rule, they want the handouts to continue."

then you validate your data and cite your source first if it's so important to you.

Anonymous said...

trustmeigetit said...

I was curious so looked...
So here's the deal, whites are a larger percentage based on US 2013 data. (Links are below). Let's see
White 40.2%
African American 27.5%
Hispanics 10.3%

But, if you look at populations by race, that's a huge factor. So the latest data I found was 2010. So this is in America by race.
Whites 196,817,552
African American 37,685,848
Hispanics 35,305,818

So of course there are way more that fall into the "white" bucket simply because it's a substantially larger demographic of the population.

I am not a math person and don't know if it can be determined by the data above... But

So let's say there are 200 white marbles and 38 black marbles.

Let's say 40 of the pink marbles are broke but only 10 of the blue are.
So that means 20% of the total of pink are broke and 26% of the blue are broke.

This a larger percentage is not as relevant as the percent of that group.

So less blues are broke overall, but a larger percent of the blue group are broken.

That's all.

So she's right technical....but I am willing to bet that there's still a larger percentage of the other race that is on welfare.

trustmeigetit said...

Forgot the links

Ode said...

Published on Jul 6, 2016

Recent worldwide events.

Authority who is of evil intent, they hide nothing.
Everything is in front of our face, ears able, eyes open.
Nothing is hidden, as Obama says in the first mins
This is Done, it is here a Global Economy, ie: NWO

This is not rocket science, listen to what he and the others
in these news clips say.

The Now of planet earth for all is Chaos, and the how we
got here, is by the people themselves. I agree with Tania.
Chaos present day is a byproduct of the NWO " That's here, That's Done"
Obama says this on video linked @ 57 seconds.

Domination is gradual, Control the Money, Water, Food, Medicine - this
year we've been overcome by masses of individuals who are indulgent in
stripping freedom of speech from everyone and anyone they find " a Meanie"
I agree with Nic, Feminism has destroyed the once foundation of family.
Adding it's very well in our face, there is a war on straight light skinned
men who are Adults. Who are above HS Diploma.
The masses want him dead or not able to reproduce.
War III - of the worlds THE people have determined they are no longer fit
to live in the world today, not unless someone helps them along the way.

Ode said...

Texas Live Stream
there are more than one streaming if you go to the home page
10 Cops Shot by snipers 3 or 4 officers confirmed Dead -this richochet of
Black Lives Matter Movement Protest

this is live right now, local Tx station
briefing is coming in Five mins

Ode said...

Dallas, more ongoing shooting is being
reported, police exchanging bullets with (?)
one of the suspects or another shooter that
wasn't known ? this is Insane. Now they are
retracting, that the live footage was earlier
the tv station is reporting via a camera on
scene, they in the studio.

4 officers confirmed dead, #4 just said did
not make it. 3 Dallas PD, One Dart officer.

updated 11 officers shot, siting a AR-15 possible
weapon carried by person of interest
One civilian shot, info unknown, estimated 800 demonstrators
were present when the shots were fired, this at the end
of the protest.
* 4 officers dead

John Mc Gowan said...

DeOrr Update:

Does Trina Bates Clegg the grandmother of DeOrr Jr, know, believe, or have guilty knowledge that DeOrr is dead?.

Lemhi County sheriff: DeOrr's case 'has to be a homicide'

BOISE - It' has been nearly a year now since 3-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr. went missing while on a camping trip with his family near Leadore, Idaho. It's a story that's garnered national attention, especially with last week's People Magazine article in which the toddler's parents outline what happened that day, and what they've done since.

On Thursday, Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman told KTVB he thinks the parents are hiding something. Sheriff Bowerman says he, along with other agencies, have searched from air to ground, turning over logs, digging holes, checking mine shafts and the rivers and reservoirs in that area, and still have no trace.

"We searched as far as Mexico, Canada, Virginia, back East, everywhere - even oversees," Sheriff Bowerman said. "We had a couple of tips that they were convinced they saw him in Germany or someplace, it's like, 'you've gotta be kidding me.' "

Sheriff Bowerman says after spending countless hours at the campground, where the 3-year-old disappeared, he has no plans of going back.

"I think it's pointless to continue searching in this area because I honestly don't believe he's there," Sheriff Bowerman said.

The toddler's parents, Jessica Mitchell and DeOrr Kunz, insist their son was there that day. However, Sheriff Bowerman says things aren't adding up.

"They painted them self into a corner when they identified DeOrr as wearing floppy boots that he couldn't stay in when he walked. He would walk out of them, they were constantly falling off," Bowerman said. "If an animal would have snatched him the boots would have fallen off, and I'm pretty confident even if an adult would have snatched him. They wouldn't have taken the time to try to round up his boots as they're trying to cart him away."

Back in January, the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office named both Mitchell and Kunz suspects in their missing toddler's case. The sheriff claiming both had been "less than truthful." Sheriff Bowerman added since their son's disappearance each parent has failed multiple polygraph tests.

"They could not pass the section on 'do you know where DeOrr Kunz is at this time and do you know what happened to him?' They could not pass those two parts of the polygraph," Bowerman said.

Leaving Sheriff Bowerman to believe something worse may have happened to the child.

"We've given them too many opportunities to tell us what happened, if it was an accident, and there's been no interest in going that direction. So that tells me there's only one other possibility, it has to be a homicide," Sheriff Bowerman said.

Both Mitchell and Kunz maintain they have nothing to hide. Mitchell's mother, Trina Bates Clegg, has told KTVB she does not believe her grandson is dead or that he was intentionally killed.

"I do not believe that either DeOrr or Jessica is capable of an intentional homicide at all.. Jess loved that little boy, loves that boy with all of her heart," Bates Clegg said. "There is still not one person that can show me any evidence or say that we have followed evidence that there was an intentional homicide up there."

Sheriff Bowerman says until they can get a solid, viable tip, he believes this case will remain a cold case.


John Mc Gowan said...

Philip Klein, CEO and lead investigator of KIC Texas, issued a news release responding to the sheriff's statements Thursday evening.

"We want to publicly say that we support his statements ... we believe this case to be an intentional homicide with the suspects being Vernal Deorr Kunz and Jessica Mitchell," Klein says in the release.

The release also states : "We have said one thing all along in this case - the evidence will lead us to the truth. And we want to assure you the public that we are getting there.."

Does anyone have the transcript from the interview with People Magazine?


Nic said...

Thanks for linking, John.

From DeOrr update:

"There is still not one person that can show me any evidence or say that we have followed evidence that there was an intentional homicide up there."

Is this an example of "prove it"?

Has the grandmother been poly'd?

Nic said...

Here is a link to the abbreviated on-line article:

There isn't much, but the commentary is interesting, especially about the parents' FB accounts and what was seen on them/not.

"I can't stand being here. You wake up in the morning and go, 'Is it even worth living anymore," says Kunz. "[But then] you get hopeful again. This is how I'm going to find my son."

Interesting how Sr. puts not living anymore and "my son" in the same vein. IMO, here, DeOrr is saying jr. is dead. DeOrr Sr. is saying he will find his son when he's not living anymore.


Anonymous said...

Why would 3 people be covering up for the Mom and Dad unless there was money involved due to DeOrr being sold. Why would Grandpa and his friend be part of the premeditated alibi of "camping"?

lynda said...

Nic @ 9:38

Grandma, Trina BAtes Clegg, was polygraphed and failed. She has said it was because she was "tired".

Parents have failed multiple polys, by multiple agencies

Nic said...

@ lynda,

That's remarkable. I guess until they find jr. they will not proceed with any arrests.

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Habundia said...

It isnt that strange that 3 people would cover up a happend why not now? It happens al the time people covering up crimes done by abused children who keep being abused even if others know about it...and do someone steals in a store and others know about it and do it isnt that strange to cover up a crime for others....because of lack of interest or whatever reason....though murder is quite different as examples are, however abuse can lead to death, but being scared of punishment (life in jail?) its not that strange to lie and cover up a crime, if you ar part of it or maybe feel a responsibility and dont want that......the fact the parents and the grandma have failed polygraph tests questions means they know more....
Is the grandma her or his mother? I havent been able to find that part....i would like to know how the relation is of that grandma with her own kid....have she covering up things before for her when the kid (mom or dad whoever her kids is of the both of them) did wrong in life...... does anyone know maybe?