Sunday, August 7, 2016

Possession of Thought in Analysis

"I have no concerns about Mr. Smith being alone with children."

If you are Mr. Smith, and this is offered in an "open statement" (rather than a direct question) your name and "concerns" about being "alone" with children has now been introduced to the public.  

If there were no concerns before the statement, there are concerns now, thus the intended consequence of the statement is realized.  

The sentence, alone, is important in analysis, even as it is important in deception and its younger cousin, propaganda. 

1.  The structure:  "I have" is first noted. This is an assertion of possession, or having something.  It must be explored.  
2.  The negation:  we are told what the subject does not have.  
3.  In the negative:  in analysis that which is 'in the negative' is elevated in importance above that which is in the positive.  The "thou shalt nots" are weightier that that which is presented in the positive.  The Ten Commandments are the cornerstone of the establishment of Western culture and societal laws and practices.  

"I have no concerns about Mr. Smith being alone with children."

The subject has introduced concerns, likely of sexual nature ("alone") in the negative, which is to serve to bring doubt to the mind of the recipient, while feigning actual support.  

Please note that within the analysis and subsequent interview, the analyst knows well that the subject does, in fact, have or "possess" something within his mind, thus the use of the phrase, even in the negative, reveals something of consequence within the subject's thinking. 

"I have no idea why someone would do that" is often viewed by analysts or investigators as a subtle distancing language or resistance.  It may be a 'stop sign' presented by the subject, the analyst refuses to yield to it and further explores just how many ideas the subject actually has.  

Consider the 'carrying' or 'possessing' of an idea within language often suggests more than laziness or distance:  

"I have nothing to say."  

The subject has something but not to say.  This means that while the subject is refusing to speak, the subject is still revealing that the subject possesses something.  

This is a signal, not so much of withholding information, but suppressing information.  

In our original statement, the subject's intention of slander was found to be motive (in context not presented here) which later showed that the subject did possess something, and what he possessed was concerns and his concern was single-minded:  

to introduce a false narrative while avoiding the guilt of direct lying. 

When one "possesses nothing" in Statement Analysis, the investigator/analyst must explore, in both the interview just as well as in the context of the full statement (or transcripts) and will find the brain chose these words for a very good reason.  It may take effort of exploration but once  seen, it must be found.

The level of deviancy can sometimes combine with the level of intellect in seeking to bring harm to another, while using deceptive methods that are 'technically truthful.'  They can reveal much about a personality. 

Would you fear lying to your spouse?
Would you fear lying to...your boss?
Would you fear swearing an oath on a Bible and lying under oath in a court of law?

Would you fear lying to law enforcement?

What if you were first told, "We are federal law enforcement.  Please know that if you lie to us, you will be prosecuted..."

Would your fear increase lying to a federal investigator?

Most of us would be terrified, as the 'ladder' of authority and consequence is climbed.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" has been a marvelous tool to highlight various principles of analysis, including personal subjectivity, as well as the need for polygraph examiners to first learn the subjective dictionary of the subject.

What does it say, however, of an individual who was unafraid to lie to 250 million people?

What does this suggest of personality and self interest?  How far would this person go to accomplish his own agenda?  How much might this cost others?

The level of manipulation, intended harm, and even personal deviancy can sometimes be seen in what one "carries" or "bears" within a sentence. 

"I have nothing to hide", as offered, shows possession, while "we have nothing to hide" takes both possession and extreme distancing language when the subject is alone.  


47 comments:

John mcgowan said...
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Bobcat said...

Davey Blackburn said "we have nothing to hide" while alone.

Here's a recap: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/11102015-i-had-no-idea-daveys-evolving.html?m=1

Nic said...

Peter said:
to introduce a false narrative while avoiding the guilt of direct lying.


I hope the victim if the "false narrative" had recourse.

Anonymous said...

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

---

"Of each particular thing, ask: 'What is it in itself, in its own construction?'" -Marcus Aurelius



Nic said...

Bobcat, great job pulling all that information together!

tania cadogan said...

Maybe he uses the royal 'we' or, in his case. the presidential 'we'? :)

anon said...

anon 5:26, Didnt Hannibal Lecter say that Marcus Aurelius quote in "Silence of the Lambs"?

Kathead said...

If someone says, "You won't find amything bad about me online, I already looked." in a meeting, offered without anyone asking a question along those lines......would you wonder what bad stuff the person has managed to hide?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Kathead, Yes, I would think they are hiding something although I would think it is probably not that serious if they are drawing attention to it.

John mcgowan said...

@Kathead

Hi

i would wonder if there is anything that's not online that is "bad". For them to offer this information without prompt reminds me of when some explains (because, to, etc) without being asked. They are thinking, i might as well get this out there in case they ask me.
Why would someone look to see if there is something "bad online" about themselves unless there is, or they've been told that someone is spreading rumours about them.
My SA head would be on high alert if someone said that to me :)

smh said...

"Bobcat said...
Davey Blackburn said "we have nothing to hide" while alone.

Here's a recap: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/11102015-i-had-no-idea-daveys-evolving.html?m=1

August 7, 2016 at 3:38 PM"


....


Bobcat, Peter has addressed that in multiple posts. I figured you knew, but you keep posting the same thing in the comments of recent posts, so maybe you forgot?

Bobcat said...

smh,

Easy reference for new/impatient readers.

Evelyn said...

Since we're talking about detecting deception in real life situations, I have another question about my husband.

Skeptical said...

This reminds me of when Joy Behar asked Casey Anthony'a attorney, Dorothy Sims, if she would allow Casey to babysit her children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soy4Q6XcZiA

Anonymous said...

Is it true that twin falls city council is republican as revealed today among Breitbart readers?

Evelyn said...

OK so anyway, regarding my husband, as I had said, last night my husband had given me a dozen red roses and a spa package and told me he would stop cheating on me. I really wanted to believe him, however within 2 hours I caught him talking to a woman online. I asked him why he was talking to her, and he said they were just talking about horse care. Since we own several horses, I wanted to believe him, but continued questioning him. Finally, he said "Go ahead and ask her yourself!" So I did; I asked her how she knew my husband. Lo and behold, she came right out and said that she did not know my husband was married and that they had had an affair!!!! I was devastated and irate. My husband scoffed at my being upset and told me the woman, although very knowledgeable about horse care, is mentally unstable and lies all the time, and he insisted they had not had an affair. I am so utterly confused. I dont know who to believe. I thought we were rebuilding the marriage and now this. Do you think my husband is telling the truth and that I am just overreacting or being paranoid because of his past behavior? At this point I just need objective opinions. Thanks in advance.

Evelyn said...

Any input at all appreciated. Please, you all have expertise in this, and I need to know who to believe--my husband or the woman giving him horse care advice (allegedly). Just tell me the raw truth!

Anonymous said...

Is your husband employed? What type of work?

Evelyn said...

He is an assistant CEO of a very successful company.
I need input.

Anonymous said...

Hire a maid.

Evelyn said...

OK, but who should I believe? My husband or the woman he says he was discussing horse care with, but she claims they had an affair?

Anonymous said...

Believe the maid.

Evelyn said...

This isnt a joke. This is my marriage. I was looking for some helpful responses/analysis.

Anonymous said...

Evelyn, I have been in a similar situation.
I recommend that you check out a website: chumplady.com

Evelyn said...

Anon, Thank you. I'm so sorry to hear you have been through similar issues--it is heartrending. I just went to the website. Have I just been fooling myself all this time thinking he would turn over a new leaf? How do I get over feeling like if only I'd been better? Better housekeeper, better confidante, better everything? I feel I need to improve myself and maybe he will not stray anymore! Do you believe once a cheater always a cheater? And should I read books on self-improvement hoping I can finally be "enough" for him?

Evelyn said...

He's right now from the other room telling me that the two main problems were and are that I didn't agree to get breast implants and I failed to train Barley, one of horses, as well as I should have so that he could be first in his class at the Annual Southwestern Horse Association's Meet. I brush Barley's coat 100 times per night, but he told me I failed to use horse conditioner on his coat causing Barley to place 2nd. Surely, these are compromises I can make. I don't like how he's trying to change me physically, but it is minor surgery after all.

Evelyn said...

Here is a direct quote from him (I wrote it down while he was saying it): He said to me 10 minutes ago "You want to see your husband be faithful to you Evelyn? Then Barley's coat had better be shining so brightly I can see my face in it tonight!"

(I thought that might help with analysis.)

PS. Sometimes he reminds me of that guy from "Sleeping With the Enemy" (if that helps with psychologically profiling him).

Thanks. Any input/advice appreciated particularly on if he will become faithful if I meet his demands.

tania cadogan said...

Hi Evelyn.

If you are asking us for advice you already know the answer.
You are just wanting one of us to tell you what you already know.

If he is saying what you are telling us then he is playing the subtle demeaning game so beloved of the guilty.

it is all your fault or someone elses fault not his

We cannot tell you to do this or do that, you have all the information you need to make the decision, the decision is for you to make.

He is who he is, you are who you are, can this be resolved to everyone's satisfaction or will there always be questions and doubts?

Stay or leave, the final choice is your honey.

Best wishes and good luck in whatever you decide xx

PattyCake said...

Great article Peter! Very thought provoking. I am sorry to hear about your husband Eveyln. In my opoinion the other woman may be telling the truth and toyr husband, sorry to say, sounds like a total dictator narssist who is obsessive or something. I truly feel for you. Your husband will never treat you properly he sounds crazy or mentally ill abusive and spoiled.Get out is my opinion. xoxoxo

Evelyn said...

Thank you Tania and PattyCake for your advice. I actually stumbled upon this on chumplady.com and I found it to encapsulate what may be going on:

"Second, if you see the affair as a competition that you must try harder to “win,” the marriage becomes a bidding war between the betrayed spouse and the affair partner. The best response is to fold, because the game is rigged. There is no winning bid. The cheater just wants the competition to go on indefinitely. (See the Unified Theory of Cake.) They want to sit impassively while you do the humiliating dance of “pick me!” This makes them feel powerful, central, special.

Cheating comes from a sense of entitlement. All you do when you compete for your marriage is solidify that entitlement – that it is YOUR job to ensure the happiness of the cheater, and hey, you missed a spot. Healthy relationships are based upon reciprocity. Infidelity is a toxically lopsided situation. Cheaters want the scales tipped in their favor (more attention, more ego stroking, more sex, more materialism) at your expense. They just don’t want to try that hard, and they’re gonna sulk if you make them."

I'm filing for divorce tomorrow. I have had it!!!!! I am so much better than this scumbag, and I am kicking his ass to the curb once and for all!!! I have no interest in playing his game anymore! I just tore his spa package certificate in half and left him a note that he can brush Barley tonight until he can see his damn face in his coat!!! I'm going out dancing to both have fun, something I NEVER have with my self-involved, arrogant, loser of a husband and to meet a new partner and he can go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evelyn said...

Also, from chumplady.com I found this SOOOOOOO right on the money especially the part about eating "shit sandwhiches" for this loser:


What does the humiliating dance of “pick me!” look like?

Mounting a defense of the marriage – trying to hard sell your cheater on What You Have Together.
Eating the shit sandwich. Not bringing up the affair. Stuffing your emotions so as not to upset the cheater with your distress.
Believing that the cheater’s need for “happiness” is paramount to the commitment they made to you. If they want to break that commitment, fine, there are honest ways to do that, beginning with a divorce lawyer. If they want to work on happiness, there is therapy, God, and working at pet shelters. But they cannot have all the benefits of marriage AND a side dish fuck because they aren’t “happy.”
Let’s make a deal! Don’t make a bargain with the Devil – as long as you try harder to make the cheater happy and fix what’s wrong, they won’t betray you.
Super spouse! Having hysterical bonding sex, going to the gym, and dressing spiffier. If you’re trying to be a better you to “win,” you’re just rewarding them. Be a better you for YOU. Your next partner will appreciate it a lot more than they will.
Finally, don’t beg. Don’t grab their ankles as they walk out the door. Don’t drape yourself over furniture weeping. Let them go.

Nic said...

Evelyn said:
The cheater just wants the competition to go on indefinitely.


If you know this, then all you have to say is, "The End" and be done with it.

That's it, that's all.

Anonymous said...

Obvious troll is obvious.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...


RE: Kathead @1:20 AM August 8, 2016

You said...
If someone says, "You won't find anything bad about me online, I already looked." in a meeting, offered without anyone asking a question along those lines......would you wonder what bad stuff the person has managed to hide?
_______________________________________________________

My first thought: "Why were you looking?"

My second thought: To me, that signals that this person knew other people would be looking and took measures to preempt the scrutiny (deleted pictures, scrubbed posts, locked down/removed social media accounts, etc.). People who have nothing too hide have no need to consider whether or not someone will be looking.

My third thought: By the same token, I'd be equally suspicious if the person is very tech savvy and there seems to be a conspicuous absence of social media presence.

*As an aside- A church we were considering joining several years had a growing and active youth group and was in the process of hiring a new Youth Pastor. Coincidentally, I had taught the primary applicant and had worked with her parents a decade before- I thought very highly of the whole family. At the time she applied, I was also good friends with one of her Pastors. I was excited to have her leading the Youth...until I looked at her social media pages. Appalled, I took it to the Pastor, who kept telling me how "pretty" and "sweet" she was (he was older, she was local pageant queen). When he tried to excuse everything as "old posts" likely made in her immature youth, I explained how current the movies, shows, and music choices were. He refused to listen and "suggested" I'd be happier in a different Church. He could not admit he was wrong and hadn't done his due diligence in hiring her (not to mention offended that a mere layperson knew what the Bible said and had brought it up). Given both his attitude, his comments ("pretty" being prominent, and his lack of discernment or concern about her character), we left that church. Long story short, she was less than committed-the youth didn't like her and youth membership seriously fell off, she didn't last 6 months, and two of the youth eventually ended up leading the rest two years later(quite successfully).

Foolsfeedonfolly said...


RE: Kathead

I think I wasn't very clear above. Please allow me to clarify. Regarding someone offering the statement "You won't find anything bad about me online, I already looked."- My first thought would be to ask them: "So, why were you looking?"

Anonymous said...

Wow, Fools, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about how a person can "scrub" your past off the internet.
I also dont really blame your Pastor for kicking you out because you sound rather obnoxious. Just sayin'.

Foolsfeedonfaggotry said...

I am the actual troll.

Me2l said...

This is the sort of thing that puzzles me about SA.

It's a compelling concept, but then, here are all these students of SA seemingly utterly deceived by a troll who flies around here under so many identities, I've lost count!

Surely you aren't taking the troll seriously. After feeling her out, it was obvious to me she's a troll (I'm no SA expert!), and it's also obvious WHICH troll. This is her playground, and she can't stop entertaining herself by coming out to play every night

Seriously people??

Anonymous said...

Yeah OK Me2l/ABB/Concerned/Fools/Skeptical/Beans, and so so many more!!!!

Anonymous said...

http://www.drphil.com/videos/man-convicted-of-sexual-assault-gives-his-account-of-incident-that-landed-him-in-prison-claims-hes-the-victim/

Anonymous said...

Off Topic: Can we put together some kind of psych/criminal profile on this guy?

He struck in broad daylight in Princeton, MA. This is a small, bucolic isolated town, far from any major towns/stores.

Im thinking: No way the guy is local , someone passing through cruising for victim(s). Serial killer.
Very disturbing story. Individual at large. Police looking for any tips.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, forgot to put up the link to story:

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/state-police-searching-for-missing-jogger-in-princeton-/419252854

Me2l said...

I'm only me.

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

Family Of Muslim Teen Arrested For Home Made Clock Sues School

Snipped:

"The only way to get justice is through money" he said

"I can't walk out in the streets anymore without having to be covered up because i don't want to get shot because it happens here and it might happen anywhere. And any time i walk out the house, there might be death waiting for me, so erm the best thing for me for me is that i had to stay overseas, far away, and i really love this state it's my home. But i couldn't stay"

Vt

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/family-of-muslim-teen-arrested-for-homemade-clock-sues-school_us_57a9028ee4b0b770b1a4025c?section=crime

John mcgowan said...

OT:

Man on ‘neighborhood watch’ kills 20-year-old outside home

Is this a classic example of wanting to spread, share guilt. As guilt doesn't like to stand alone.?


Snipped:

We have a lot of people outside our house yelling and shouting profanities. I yelled at them, ‘Please leave the premises.’ They were showing a firearm, so I fired a warning shot and we got somebody that they got hit.”

"When he talks about "a lot of people outside our house yelling and shouting profanities" he uses the pronoun "we". He then shifts to "I" when he fires "a warning shot" taking ownership. But when it comes to somebody being "hit" he shifts back to "we"

"We got somebody that they got hit.” I've heard this phrase or similar to it used by the military and LE. Is he ex military etc?
He also says “I am locked and loaded,”
Has he aspired to be and been rejected?
Is it a figure of speech?

Or is he wanting to share responsibility?


http://fox8.com/2016/08/10/man-on-neighborhood-watch-kills-20-year-old-outside-home/

John mcgowan said...

He may have also get them phrases reading or watching to many crime shows and things of that ilk.