The murder, itself, was shocking: a young, beautiful pregnant woman was murdered in her home.
As shocking as the brutal murder was, it was the victim's own husband who further shocked the public with his statements described as "crass", "cold", "unfeeling" "disinterested" but, for statement analysis, something quite different.
He responded publicly and repeatedly, in ways that shocked the public even further, perhaps, than the murder itself.
With his online videos, the public learned much about him including the basic fact that he is obsessed with numerical success and that his wife, Amanda, stood in the way of his success. He even went as far as saying her initial pregnancy was a crisis for him and that she frequently complained that he was not spending time with her; but about his 'business' of getting numbers out to follow him.
His videos reveal talented theatrics and choreographed presentations, of which, just prior to her shooting, one with a prop gun waved around by him.
A week later, she was dead and his initial reaction was to capitalize on the advertising opportunity her death afforded him.
The public waited for him to show fear of the killers, if not for him, a man of 'great faith', than at least for his son or the neighborhood.
He did not.
The public waited for him to speak words of bereavement only to find his statements were made without even mentioning his wife's name.
There are those who have defended the husband, Davey Blackburn, emphatically due to loyalty to a specific faith, while there are others who have not simply responded with the known details of the case, but who attacked the defenders, projecting their own feelings about faith into the discussion.
Still, there is a dismissal of his words by claiming mental illness or psychological disturbance on his part; specifically delusional or narcissistic (the twain do not meet) use of the pronoun "we."
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| Its difficult to find many pictures of Amanda without Davey |
The perfect storm comes together when narcissism, obsession, drive and talent meet historical or habitual deception.
We often say, "the liar is a murderer in training" due to the pragmatic world view where one lies to get what one wants and with lies that are successful, comes desensitization and increase in frequency and scope. Hence, the liar puts himself and his own life above others, and unchecked, the end is murder...murder, if necessary for self.
This is also a bit of insight into why this type of profiling has low accuracy rating and isn't actively stood upon in the field of investigations.
Nothing shows the accuracy and success as the words that come out of a person's own mouth. It is, in this sense, almost impossible to lie. One may murder, one may commit arson, rape and other heinous crimes, but once a subject is in the free editing process, he will give it all away.
Statistical profiling, far more accurate, has been discarded due to politicians' exploitation of it.
Statement Analysis profiling recognizes that words reveal the speaker's:
Background
History
Priority
Personality
Studying Statement Analysis Profiling allows for precision; not vague declarations that cannot be stood firmly upon.
Editing Process
As the husband of victim, Amanda Blackburn recounts 'what happened', it is impossible for him to tell us everything, therefore, he must edit his account before producing words:
Of a vocabulary of more than 20,000 words, what words to choose;
where to place such words (syntax)
what tenses and pronouns to use
what order to place the information...
This takes place in less than a micro-second in time and reveals:
The speaker's background information, including sex, age, etc,
his experiences in life;
his priority in the account, and lastly,
his personality.
To dismiss his use of the pronoun "we", for example, rather than viewing what context produces "we" and what context produces "I" is to show an intense misunderstanding of both human nature and basic communication, making 'profiling' an undisciplined work akin to 'psychic' guessing. Even the most extreme narcissist who do speak of themselves, in the second person, for example, are noted as all others are: baseline reference point. Even in behavioral profiling, norms are established just as it is for statement analysis (or even body language analysis). If narcissism produces "we", under what context is it seen, and under what context is it abandoned? This is to establish context within analysis.
To claim that a public speaker is so mentally ill or so narcissistic as to be incapable of separating himself from Divinity in using the pronoun "we" instead of "I" is not only to not understand mental illness, narcissism, context and baseline pattern, but it is to not understand that Blackburn is an educated and talented public speaker who principally relies upon persuasion. For those of faith, this point is even stronger: his psycho-sexual religious ideology is, at heart, pragmatic. If numbers come, it is positive. If numbers do not come, it is negative.
Next, the conclusions here are not simply analysis of the words, but behavioral analysis, both pre and post crime. The opinions expressed here particularly in this regard, comes from more than one dozen professionals, including those with decades experience in homicide investigation, ranging from local, state and federal law enforcement, to the professionals within psychology and communication. The representation of the opinion is singular; as the elements were all agreed upon, after much analytical work and discussion.
The source of information is public record. No cases assisted upon are published in the Statement Analysis blog.
Narrative
Amanda Blackburn was sexually assaulted and murdered when a gang of young black males entered her home while her husband was not inside the house, but at the gym, en route to or from the gym, or in his driveway. With this evidence, police quickly cleared Davey Blackburn as a suspect. As the analysis will show, this immediate clearance of the husband was not warranted, nor wise. The pressure of publicity also cannot be ignored. The sexual assault classification is due to the position of her clothing in the murder.
Amanda Blackburn was pregnant, married to Davey Blackburn, pastoring a church in which emphasis is incessantly placed upon pop psychology "success" driven agenda of populating the church.
Statistically, when a pregnant woman is murdered, the male partner (husband, boyfriend, ex) is the most likely one responsible.
Analytical Questions:
Since the murderers are now caught, the analysis seeks to learn whether or not the victim's husband had any knowledge of what happened to Amanda, which can range from facilitating the murder, down to knowledge that his home was to be entered that morning for nefarious reasons. Therefore, the question is not singular, though "guilty knowledge" is sought to be discerned.
Behavioral Analysis
Behavioral analysis simply looks at the behavior of a subject (D. Blackburn) before, during and after the homicide.
Did the subject show any signals of anticipation before the crime?
Did the subject show signals of benefiting from the crime? In domestic homicides, behavioral analysis seeks to learn the quality of the relationship, whether there was infidelity, or whether divorce was an undesirable alternative.
Did the subject show any signals of knowledge, via behavior, that would cause him to, for example, not fear reprisal upon his son's life, or his own?
We look, in particular, for 'stressors' or unusual and straining circumstances that can precede domestic homicide.
Statement Analysis
Statement Analysis is the most effective way of discerning truth from deception, exceeding that of the polygraph, voice stress analyzer, and all other means currently employed. In this case, statements made both before and after the homicide are examined to learn whether or not an answer to the analytical questions can be obtained. Would Blackburn's statements reveal someone with some form of knowledge of the crime?
I. Life Prior to the Homicide
Much is learned in viewing the unusual circumstances in the life of Davey Blackburn prior to the murder of his wife. Due to this circumstances, much sample is available online, including both video and written statements. His connection to Perry Noble also has provided a great deal of information.
Readers who are interested in understanding the conclusion of the analysis should simply search on this blog for the many articles with analysis on the case.
What do we know from this background?
1. Deception
We know that Blackburn had serious issues growing up. Those who understand the origin of deviancy know that those who fabricate reality for their own advantage are either properly taught in early childhood, or they are not and even those who claim strong religious crisis experience, later realize that personality traits in childhood are very difficult to over come. Children are born liars and those who are not taught, no matter the reason for the negligence of duty, will become habitual liars and it is their success in lying that will determine how much damage they do in society. The greater the intellect of the deceiver, often the greater the damage, or, in the least, the propensity for damage.
A Biblical example of such is the thief. The cultural mandate was "thou shalt not steal" which was prescribed to be taught at a very early age, repeatedly, along with negative consequences for such. Yet, what does the Bible say about the adult thief, who now wishes to amend his ways?
Carefully consider what this highlights in human nature:
For the adult, the directive is to "steal no more" (inner repentance) but a natural remedy was also prescribed to combat the habitual selfishness behind theft: "let him that stole, steal no more, but work willingly with his own hands, to give to others..."
Those who took that which belonged to others had to not only internally change (no more theft and a change of attitude) but the practical application was that he now had to give money away to others. This is a powerful antidote to theft and that it is not compulsory is even more fascinating. Will someone who has only sought to benefit self not only be able to overcome this habit, but actually deny self satisfaction, and give to others?
It is a good reminder how personality patterns (lying and stealing are cousins; both are forms of theft with lying the passing of false communicative currency) are near impossible to overcome and take special remedy.
Statistically, those who fabricate reality will grow in the desensitization process right up to falsely testifying in capital crimes to murder. As Cindy Anthony put it, "just because someone tells a few mis truths, doesn't make them a killer..." in reference to her killer daughter, Casey Anthony, who felt that her daughter was getting too much attention and getting in the way of her social life, so she killed her.
Just like that.
That Casey was known to fabricate reality from childhood, including lying when no lie was even needed, was not lost on the public; only the jury, who, perhaps, hoped for their own cashing in on infamy.
Those who are not properly corrected at a very early age, pose a serious risk for offenses against society later. Thus the study of criminals and human empathy.
Those in prison, like those law abiding, were both told,
"Do not hit your sister!" but the criminals lacked something that the law abiding was given: human empathy.
"Don't hit your sister, it hurts her."
It is within these early life lessons that language speaks and habits of speech formed.
Blackburn self reported that he lied so severely in high school that it caused everyone in his life, from peers to faculty, to turn on him. The lie itself, by the reaction, was antisocial. For trouble makers, generally peers or authority will turn against them, but not both. The lie was destructive and in the minds of many, likely "unforgivable." What he did was to put himself above all others, and benefit in a way that would come through the destruction of at least one other person.
That it happened, not at age 6, but as a teen, is alarming. It is a strong signal of the narcissism that was to become on full display for audiences via his video taping of himself.
Pop Entertaining Psychology Positive Thinking Meets post MTV sexuality, Marries Religious Belief Captured on Video
Blackburn's belief system is best viewed through his own words, rather than that of historic Christianity. His adulation of Perry Noble, and his insatiable desire to satisfy himself are only slightly hidden beneath the arch of religion. Religious structure is a medium of which he can fulfill his ambitions.
This means Christianity must be subordinated to self, rather than self subordinating to principle.
2. Narcissistic Behavior
Prior to the murder of Amanda, we were able to view video tapes of Davey Blackburn in which the narcissism was readily discerned. The videos (and statements) show that within his personality there is a desire to place himself above all others. Linguistically, he placed himself above others, beginning first with his wife, which would eventually place himself equal to and even above, Divinity.
The narcissism sometimes revealed itself in insulting ways towards the murder victim, herself. His discomfort at 'sharing the spotlight' with her showed itself in subtle ways, from correcting her to minimizing her.
In Statement Analysis, we look for small, subtle ways in which the mind of the subject reveals itself linguistically, by justifying the death. This can range from "well, the baby would not stop crying" (blaming the child for being shaken) to
'Amanda died so the church would live' statement in which Amanda was the "sacrifice" who "gave her life" for the "church."
Blackburn took this one even further: he claimed that he and "God" actually discussed this where God "asks" Blackburn if he would have chosen to give up Amanda for the "church."
This puts the arbitration, even in hindsight, as to whether Amanda lives or dies, with Blackburn, himself. This makes it much more than a "justification" for her death.
3. Ambition
Blackburn was open about his ambitions and his own description of what "success" is within his personal subjective dictionary. His ambitious nature was such that he was incapable of masquerading it, even shortly after Amanda's murder. While mankind grieves, he was busy counting numbers, seemingly unaware of how this might appear as crass, commercialism or profiteering. Even the 'sleaziest' of politicians put a thin veil over opportunistic exposure. Blackburn showed a complete lack of self awareness but when publicly commented upon, he quickly retreated to religious argument.
In one short video well before the murder, he was seen berating his followers for their failure to fulfill his self imposted numeric account for new followers. (This was one of the first video examples where, when his emotion increased, he used the pronoun "I" making his statement quite strong as he castigated them). Remember, this was "their failure" to bring people; not 'Davey's failure' to attract the numerical figure.
We take careful note of those who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, linguistically, by distancing language, including the use of the pronoun "we" when only "I" is appropriate.
Ambition coupled with habitual deception yields danger.
4. Sexuality
Observed his mentor, Perry Noble, "something" was "not right" about Blackburn, and the remedy, according to Noble, to fix this was a female.
Blackburn showed an obsession with convincing his audience that he had a powerful heterosexual drive. In this, he indicated his wife for failure and his own obsession to the point where he described himself in capable of having conversation at dinner unless he first used his wife to satisfy himself sexually.
This "need to persuade" that his sex drive was heterosexual (he links it continually to his wife) and not same sex attraction (SSA) was further evidenced in his clothing and appearance. Even shifting a reference point from Christianity as seen in most Protestantism, he bearing in the videos showed the need to accent his physical attributes, with the use of, for example, tight fitting clothing. Commenting on the videos, many people said that they were difficult to watch for very long, as he used choreographed body language as an entertainer.
Behavioral Analysis
Post Crime
As we examine points one and two, I have included a specific commentary on Christianity due to the 'defense' of Blackburn's behavior and words being ascribed to "faith."
1. No fear of killers. The husband who's wife and pre born child were murdered in a home invasion showed no fear of the killers, for either himself, or even for his son.
2. Focus upon exploitation and profiteering rather than grieving.
This is unnatural and regarding faith, consider that the Bible does not promise, nor teach that the Christian life, on earth, suspends human emotions, which include fears, anxieties, disappointments, grieving, and so on. In Christ, we are given written examples of Christ weeping over Jerusalem, a city that He knew would be destroyed by Rome in just a generation, as well as other such examples.
This "hyper faith" movement is not new and the popular 'emotion' over reason is within the Church and in secular culture.
A home invasion is a traumatic event and this will produce both hormonal reaction and revelation within speech.
A murder is even more traumatic.
A close-relative (spouse/ the "one person") murder increases this;
A child murdered, on top of the other elements, is severe.
To not react to such, but to show not "courage" but apathy, towards the still on-the-loose killers, in a "complete mystery"
of "why were we targeted" will produce profound fear and activity, including protection of his son.
The lack of concern of the perpetrators for himself and his son suggests knowledge that he and his son would not be targeted.
Consider: those who simply believe that Blackburn was set free from his marriage, something he clearly showed hindered him from his goal (numerical success; pragmatism) must consider that one so driven on numerical success would, yes, be relieved of the burden of his wife, whom he complained about openly, but would still be concerned that his own success would be hindered by the gang members coming back for him.
3. Equal or above Divinity, Authority over others, including father in law shows the union between a very troubled deceptive narcissistic personality and religion, which is now met with a showman's talent.
The videos reveal confident strut, choreographed body posture and facial expressions, and a command of the English language.
Not only are pronouns instinctive in the English language (therefore, 100% accuracy rate) but consider the subject, himself, as a talented public speaker.
These points are all covered in the various entries of analysis, in particular, his words that brought these conclusions. Please see individual entries for deeper understanding.
4. Linguistic Indicators of Guilt
These are dealt with in more depth in other articles. I have taken a team of top analysts in the country through the statements, carefully, and the conclusion has been the same:
Linguistic indicators of guilty knowledge of the crime.
What was the first thing he said to the public after finding his wife murdered and the perpetrator (s) at large?
“It’s impossible to communicate all the emotions my heart has been forced to process. My wife was such a beautiful, gracious, loving woman of God. I have not only lost my ministry partner and support, but also my very best friend. There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these. As deeply as I am hurting, I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this. I rest in the truth of Romans 8:28 that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose.
“I know that in her death and legacy even more people will come to a saving faith in Christ. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt her desire for me would be to continue what we’ve started here in Indy. I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.”“Amanda made it her life’s calling to love and serve everyone she knew. Even more, she has made it her life’s mission to see as many people as possible come to know Jesus as their personal Savior.”
If you go back to the original analysis, you will see that this is very concerning. He does not mention Amanda by name, which is distancing language at a time where the most closeness in language is expected. This shocked analysts, initially, who could not grasp how a man could so quickly 'move on' from this murder and how he could make a statement without her name. That he turned to sloganism so quickly was just the tip of a very ugly ice berg.
He went on a TV circuit and continued to avoid using her name; instead turning it into an advertising campaign for himself. Those of you that understand somewhat of Statement Analysis and repetition cannot help but note his focus:
DB: Oh my gosh, I wish I could tell the world everything about her, I wish I had the time to but, um, I think what I would really want the world to know is that she loved Jesus with her whole heart. And she loved people, and she spent her life pouring her life out to people. She served people, she uh, loved the people that were unloveable, gave hope to people who um, didn’t have hope, didn’t think they had a future, and um, she just absolutely gave everything she had to her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Note: "people" as in numbers within the crowd...Recall that mere days after the brutal murder he was able to recall the specific number of "people" who 'attended' his business via the internet.
He went on to pushing for numbers for her "Christian memorial service", which, itself, was shocking as it was not Christian, and it was not a memorial for Amanda, but its focus was "sex" and Davey Blackburn, himself, with bizarre rambling from his mentor, Perry Noble, not discussing the Resurrection of Christ, but "Davey's good looks."
On Television, he was asked 'Who did this?" and "Why?" His answer was not challenging for analysts:
CD: Um, ya know, the ah investigators um, haven’t given me ah, a, ton of details that um, they’ve given me the details that they’ve released to, to the public as well, an, an so we, we’ve been really tryin’ to do over the past week is um, is, is, kinda figure out , we, ya know, how to grieve the loss an, an how to, how to move forward from here an how to work thru all of this , it’s devastating to the family an , and um, ya know the fu, funeral this past Sunday was just an amazing celebration of, of her life an, we just um, we were so grateful for, for friends and family comin’ to show support, and the nation um, there were over 6500 people tuned in across the world um, and, and, what was so great about Amanda is she was so selfless, that she didn’t want here life to be put on display ever, but she wanted Jesus to be put on display. We feel like that’s what happened at the celebration service, that Jesus was lifted up and people’s lives have been changed because of that.
The use of the pronoun "we" is not, by this talented and highly manipulative public speaker, a 'narcissistic slip' nor is it indicative of mental disorder. Even as he equates himself with Divinity, he does so for the purpose of usurping authority over others, for his personal gain. His short speech at his father-in-law's church should be read to be believed.
Grieving.
"We" have to figure out how to grieve; not "I" which is not expected under any circumstances.
"We" did not lose a wife. "We" did not lose a child. The marriage is between him and Amanda; no one else; and they were "one flesh", as one 'person.' There is no more of an "personal" intrusion into this than murder.
Investigators must learn why he, himself, does not have to "figure out" how to grieve. If he was just relieved from a burdensome marriage that hindered his narcissistic goal, why did he show no concern for himself, his son, or even the public at large from the killers?
"For us, we have nothing to hide" is probably the single clearest point in his language that Davey Blackburn not only has something to hide, but will not stand alone, psychologically, due to intense guilt.
What is often missed in this guilty formed statement is the following:
He asserts that "for us" they have nothing to hide. While focusing upon the plural, the comparative phrase should not be missed:
This statement recognizes that he knows of someone else (likely plural, as well) that does have something to hide.
Where did he get this knowledge from?
We have seen repeatedly the issue of sexuality from this habitual liar. We then had the psychologically revealing "meeting with God" where he was both naked and in the shower.
This is akin to sexuality and the need for cleansing.
To dismiss him as mentally ill because he believes God had a talk with him while naked in the shower is to also fall prey to his deception: this statement was purposeful to both his father-in-law, and to the audience, of whom, if the "history making" movement, of which he is front and center, does not come to pass: they would be faulted; not him.
This is the same thing as "for us, we have nothing to hide" whether coming from him or coming from a 2nd grader home from school after seeking to share guilt.
Here, Blackburn affirms that he has knowledge that others have something to hide, even as he, himself does, and what he hides, he cannot bear being alone to be responsible for.
Conclusion:
The police should have polygraphed Davey Blackburn regarding knowledge of the crime that took place in which Amanda Blackburn and her pre born child lost their lives.
Blackburn's repeated statements reveal narcissism, strong intellect, deception, manipulation, and to this, analysis of his behavior agrees. The investigatory interview would be a long wrestling match in which the interviewer must have a strong understanding of the Bible, which Blackburn will use to defend himself.
He is a master showman, above average intellect, with habitual patterns of deception, along with a history of success. He is sexually confused and his need to repeatedly affirm his heterosexuality suggests some elements of same sex attraction. Should he ever face scrutiny and the tide turn against him, he would likely seek to capitalize on the political atmosphere regarding sexuality.
Blackburn gives verbal indication that not only he was free from the burden of marriage and pregnancy, but that he had no concern for himself, his son, his home, nor the neighborhood at large, that the criminals would return.
His delay of almost 40 minutes sitting in his driveway is critical. By someone who's life and words are so ordered and neat, this, too, was not by accident nor chance. Listen to the words his best friend said at the "memorial" service. He and Perry Noble, both, expressed doubts and "something" that was wrong with Blackburn. Don't think these things are completely lost upon Amanda Blackburn's family. These are the things that haunt victims' close relatives long after the media blitz has gone away.
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| Blackburn chides father-in-law for his dead church |
Everything within his public statements agrees with guilty knowledge of what happened to his wife. That he 'corrected' his statements, later on, due to the shock from the public, only shows his awareness of his settings.
1. When a pregnant woman is murdered, statistics point to the male (husband).
2. The husband is obsessed with success.
3. The husband said his wife and pregnancy hindered his success.
4. The husband was, in a single day, free of both.
5. The husband showed no concern for the brutal criminals on the loose.
6. The husband showed only concern for his business success.
7. The husband's statements show deception and guilt.
As one 30 year veteran of homicide investigations said,
"No one is this lucky."
Davey Blackburn gives indicators of guilty knowledge of the crime committed against his wife and pre born child.
Davey Blackburn has been cleared by investigators and is not considered a suspect, including as an accessory to this crime, by any known law enforcement entity. The opinions here are only those of my own, as all are judicially innocent unless found otherwise in a court of law.
When one speaks publicly, it is presupposed that the audience will choose to believe him, or not to believe him.
I do not believe him. Hiding a poor marriage, hiding same sex attraction, hiding various crimes and misdemeanors, and so on, will not exempt one from the intense fear of the unknown brutal killers on the loose. Blackburn's indifference is well noted.
Statement Analysis analyzes what one says...
and what one does not say. Training is key.
As the facade around his mentor came down, so it may with Blackburn as the "tell tale heart" beats with much strength of youth to resist it, and as his mentor found, being drunk on one's own success, too, will difficult to withstand. Truth has a way of coming out...even if it takes a long time.
855 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 855 Newer› Newest»Lynda, why would Davey had gotten a court order to keep her on life support if the doctors declared her brain dead? To turn this into a Jahi McMath-like circus?
If it were against Indiana law for a pregnant woman to be disconnected from life support, then it wouldn't have been done at Davey's request, you do realize that, don't you? Davey does not control the doctors and hospital administrators. (Not only that, but we don't know if the fetus was still viable at that point.)
The term "brain dead" is not "confusing" unless it's being used by someone who doesn't understand it. She was declared as brain dead ... her organs could not have been donated unless that was the case. Davey did not have the option to donate her organs unless she was LEGALLY DECLARED DEAD.
Once a person is declared brain dead, there is no longer a duty to treat: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle
But there remain two situations in which hospitals continue physiological support after brain death. First, if the patient is an organ donor, support is continued until donation. Second, measures might be offered to accommodate the family. Continuing physiological support for organ donation is governed by well-settled law. In contrast, continuing physiological support as an accommodation is less settled.
Many facilities voluntarily offer a short-term accommodation periods as a compassionate measure to help the family cope with the patient's death, while in three states, the duty to accommodate is mandated by law. Statutes in New Jersey, New York, and California explicitly require hospitals to "accommodate" families after a patient is declared dead by neurologic criteria (see Table 1).
More at the link above.
"I'm not going to engage him in debate, but I'll keep on insulting him."
At least you're consistent Lynda. But if insults are all you can muster, I hope it makes you feel big.
lynda at 2:48
I don't know why The Sheep, newly reincarnated from Me2l, is so intent
on denying that SA proves Davey has guilty knowledge of the crime.
That is yet another conundrum! As we saw in the last SA on the Blackburn
crime, she will argue this point into the ground.
Peter and the experts have studied the case for months and deduced, based
on the research of many learned minds, that Davey has guilty knowledge.
That's the bottom line.
Everything Peter has said in the past about re-reading/re-examining the statements
over a period of time surely was executed here and they all agree.
You are right, Lynda, that arguing with Sheep Me will just waste all our time.
If Peter posted color photos of Davey posing with the gang bangers,
she would swear it was just a Narcissist Support Group.
Someone mentioned earlier a curiosity about why the governor of Indiana went
to Amanda's "memorial service". Let's not forget that Perry Noble's "church" is a
mega million dollar entity that donates money to politicians. Perry was scheduled
to speak so, of course, politicians would show up to shake his hand. Also, don't
underestimate a politician's radar for the media.
lyndaSeptember 8, 2016 at 2:48 PM
Nic...don't engage The Sheep in his/her rabbit hole of semantics. Peter DID prove it using SA that DAvey has guilty knowledge. The Sheep just refuses to believe it so I guess that makes it true.
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You shouldn't have a problem, then, with pointing to the statement analysis that shows guilty knowledge.
Where and what? Just an example or two would do.
Thanks.
I am not me21. I used to post as Buckley.
More insults, as expected.
I've disagreed with Peter's conclusion; I haven't insulted him whatsoever. That some of you simply want to pounce on me with no substantive response says more about your ability with analysis than mine. Many folks have let their dislike of Davey Blackburn cloud their ability to analyze without bias toward the subject. He may be guilty, but snarky comments aren't proof. I'm not talking to Nic or Bobcat who have clearly done good work on the case.
"If Peter posted color photos of Davey posing with the gang bangers,
she would swear it was just a Narcissist Support Group."
No, then I'd believe it, but the need to make up crap like that, rather than present real world evidence reveals the problem.
And I'm male.
Using the "guilty knowledge" list, I will put together a selection of quotes that illustrates the applicable points. Out of 15 points, Davey pings on at least 13. Later this evening.
Some won't agree, and will try to discredit. So be it. Davey knows.
Speaking of Perry's alcoholism and how I wrote about how 12 step programs dont work: This guy Im friends with on FB had shared a few days ago that he had just gotten out of 10 days in detox from booze and he was feeling happy, walking 6 miles a day and inviting all of his friends to get in touch with him and share in his happy news. Well, all that changed when it was time to contact his "sponsor" (someone he doesnt know). Now he's whining that noone understands him, he has a problem he will have to deal with every day for the rest of his life that noone understands, his emotions are everywhere. I am so close to telling this guy off now. I feel like saying "Ya know what asshole, you seemed perfectly fine before your "sponsor" came into the picture. Ya know what else? EVERYONE has problems they have to deal with the rest of their life! Some or all of which few people can understand! It's so fucking disgusting to hear someone whine about being healthy. For Christ's sakes when you're 40-50 yrs old isnt it EASIER TO BE SOBER THAN DRUNK?! If I was this guy's sponsor, Id be like "Hey you wanna whine about being healthy and how noone can understand you? OK, go get shitfaced...be my guest. Go pour cheap ass booze down your throat, go stumble around drunk in front of your kids and then go puke all over yourself and wake up with a slamming headache. I'll drop you off at the bar myself. Dont call me whining and crying in the morning when your wife and kids glare at you hatefully in the morning either, I'll have my phone shut off &sshole." I would love to be a sponsor and help this people BY TELLING THEM THE FUCKING TRUTH since noone else will.
Should be easy for the blogs author to enumerate the spoken indicators of guilty knowledge.
Sheep,
Have you typed "Davey Blackburn" into the search engine? I've always typed Amanda Blackburn and missed Peter's analysis of Davey Blackburn entirely. (I arrived late to the this case analysis.) I'm still in December 2015's articles. You might find some of the analysis you're looking for there.
Cheers
Nic- Thanks for directions on how to do a simple search. As I said once already, I have read all the posts on DB. I read the one in November where Peter concluded:
"“Thus far, I am not able to conclude "guilty knowledge" on the part of Davey Blackburn, in the death of his wife, via a connection to the shooter. Although he has not denied it, in taking all of his statements together, he appears to know that he is benefiting, career-wise, from her death, and affirms that his unhappy marriage is over. He may be narcissistic, crass, and a theatrical manipulator of young people, but... This still does not mean he hired someone to kill her”."
That statement of Peter's I agree with. While I've seen additional evidence DB is narcissistic and opportunistic and emotionally an outlier, both before and after the murder, I do not see any additional evidence that indicates "guilty knowledge of the crime". Also, I think a majority of what is posted here is not about "guilty knowledge" as defined in the good definitions you posted.
I'm not sure why folks are getting so antsy about my opinion. I have a high bar for believing, and while I'm no SA expert, I'm very good at distancing my feelings about the subject from the issue of guilt. I think in the above quotation by Peter, he has done a great job of refusing to be convinced of guilt just because he has contempt for the kind of life DB lives.
I also disagree that DB is of above average intellect. He seems like a great speaker but I don't see anything exceptional about his mind at all.
Not according to my source.
The Sheep@5:21 pm, that was very well said, and it's similar to my thoughts on the DB SA subject.
Peter's work is far more intense than the short summaries he provides here, I'm sure, but I, too, have failed to connect DB's statements with a guilty knowledge conclusion.
For anyone interested, I am not a man. I am not The Sheep. It is not inconceivable that more than one person has similar thoughts and questions.
Ya'll bloggers be confusing. Do db nose the thuggers in jail? Do db nose thuggers boss Bull? Haves db said anything showing the lady kilt wasnt kilt by the thuggers? Haves db said anything showing he nose info that isnt what cops say happind? If db did what is it?
You know what Ive occassionally thought was weird about this blog? It's that it seems like the majority of commenters all come across as having the same exact IQ or intelligence level.
I'll ask my friend ~ I never thought to ask. I have a friend @ Hare Chevrolet that said he was happy as a pig in mud buying a new car. It is a fact.
. Let's not forget that Perry Noble's "church" is a
mega million dollar entity that donates money to politicians. Perry was scheduled
to speak so, of course, politicians would show up to shake his hand. Also, don't
underestimate a politician's radar for the media..
PNobles church is in SC. Resonate in Indiana. What purpose would Noble serve to the governor of Indiana? How would Wellspring benefit contributing to an Indiana politician? Pence attended because a high profile pastor was in attendance? Was Pence invited? It wasnt that long ago that candidate Jimmy Carter visited, acknowledged, sought support from Jim Jones church in san fransisco.
And a couple of women posing as numerous others arguing insulting and contributing little.
That is incorrect. My mother-in-law was declared brain dead. My husbands sisters couldn't bare to pull the plug. Nine weeks later, they took her off life support. She died 2 days later. (Even w/a living will!)
Please...Don't EVER be a sponsor! It requires understanding, empathy, boundaries, firmness & compassion. Anger begets anger. 12 Step Programs DO work, if you DO them. Try understanding where he's coming from. Listen, don't judge.
Anon at 5:55
You may have missed the fact that Resonate is a spin-off from NEWSpring.
Davey worked for PN at NS for years.
You may also have missed the fact (Surely not!) that the governor of Indiana had and has
political aspirations beyond Indiana. Money from North Carolina would be welcomed.
You lost me on why Jimmy Carter and Jim Jones entered the discussion, my friend.
Off Topic: Much has been made of the use of the word "attache" in Ramsom note. Googled John Mark Karr...First of all, why is that sicko walking around free? Secondly, it seems he speaks French and gave his confession diary a title written in French. Also, he was an elementary school teacher, NANNY! (horrifying!), lived in several different countries, and wants to change into a woman! Can the ransom note be reanalyzed here with these elements in mind?
Here it is. 12/14 guilty indicators in Davey's language.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/guilty-knowledge.html
I don't think Perry Noble is as all-powerful and influential outside his own little world as some people make him out to be.
Is it normal for a single non-drug-addicted 47 year old man with no children to state without shame that they dont have $5? And then post memes about it on facebook? It wont be long till the human race dies out bc of these d&ckless men.
Hey ya know what? Look under the couch cushions &sshole! Time for me to turn gay! These men out there are whining little bitches with NO masculinity! I was more of a man than these guys when I was a 7 year old girl. What is the point of being straight? These guys are f&ckin fairies!
The idea that the governor and the police department and the prosecutor are all involved in a gigantic conspiracy along with Davey and Perry and Lord knows who else is terribly far-fetched.
When did the theory evolve from Davey arranging her murder to him shooting her himself and covering it up with the help of numerous officials by railroading three innocent little gangbangers?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lynda, why would Davey had gotten a court order to keep her on life support if the doctors declared her brain dead? To turn this into a Jahi McMath-like circus?
If it were against Indiana law for a pregnant woman to be disconnected from life support, then it wouldn't have been done at Davey's request, you do realize that, don't you? Davey does not control the doctors and hospital administrators. (Not only that, but we don't know if the fetus was still viable at that point.)
The term "brain dead" is not "confusing" unless it's being used by someone who doesn't understand it. She was declared as brain dead ... her organs could not have been donated unless that was the case. Davey did not have the option to donate her organs unless she was LEGALLY DECLARED DEAD.
Once a person is declared brain dead, there is no longer a duty to treat: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle
But there remain two situations in which hospitals continue physiological support after brain death. First, if the patient is an organ donor, support is continued until donation. Second, measures might be offered to accommodate the family. Continuing physiological support for organ donation is governed by well-settled law. In contrast, continuing physiological support as an accommodation is less settled.
Many facilities voluntarily offer a short-term accommodation periods as a compassionate measure to help the family cope with the patient's death, while in three states, the duty to accommodate is mandated by law. Statutes in New Jersey, New York, and California explicitly require hospitals to "accommodate" families after a patient is declared dead by neurologic criteria (see Table 1)
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Because you can get a court order for anything that's why. Because people do crazy things when the love of their life was just there a minute ago but now somebody is saying they're brain dead and gonna "pull the plug".
MANY people misunderstand brain death. Brain death is DEAD. You're dead. You are NOT on life support, you are on ORGAN support. Period. I would hazard that 90% of people that have been told that their loved one is brain dead and they "pulled the plug" could not tell you 3 months later what brain death really means.
It is NOT as easy as you seem to think and its naive to assume that the docs and hospital are all about YOU and YOURS. That "brain dead" person is costing them big bucks..HUGE bucks..they are also taking up huge resources insofar as personnel. They also want their organs and you have to hurry that up. The minute someones brain stops working the organs start to deteriorate whether or not they are on "life support" or not. Quickly, they become not viable and they don't want that to happen. "Life support" is also a misnomer. It's really "organ support". The machines are NOT keeping them alive..they are dead..their brain is dead, they are dead, what the machines are doing is keeping the organs viable as long as they can.
continued..
I stated I did not know Indiana law, nor do I know Indiana Abortion laws.
In Ohio..if you are in a Catholic hospital they will NOT perform an abortion. If you are in a Catholic hospital, many will NOT perform abortions or do anything to cause an abortion (like pulling the plug).
I do not know what Amanda's condition was at the hospital. We only have Davey's words and he's full of shit most of the time. Who knows what was said or what her true condition was. But make no mistake..you, as the family, always have options. ALWAYS. Administration and docs will always exert a subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, pressure to disconnect and be done with it. That's the truth. Davey could have gotten a court order (and he probably would have won solely because she was pregnant) taken her off life support and transferred her to a long term care or hospice or even home. Depending on how forceful the family is, he may not have even needed a court order. He could have transferred her and then He could have prayed for a miracle and God to heal her.
This is coming from a 30+ year nursing career and what I have seen with my own eyes. Many people will not push back against a doc but you always have a choice. That physician, that hospital does not have the final decision within 18 hours of you coming in there, to say we are pulling the plug and you can't do anything about it. They DO NOT.
Personally and professionally? I would not let anyone take anyone I love off of organ support for at least 36 hours. I would have to see 3 separate EEG's, spaced at least 12 hours apart, that show no brain activity. Period.
Traci Mosby, is it really a fact that he bought an expensive new vehicle that soon after the murder? (3 weeks!) IMO, that is is highly suspect in itself. I remember reading a while back he paid 50,000 in cash. Was that just a rumor? IF this is true, it is extremely incriminating. People gave their money to him and he set up a GoFUND Me page on November 10th while they played that waiting game. He continued to take donations on his church website even while posting his travels, new home, new clothes, new lawn mower, new furniture, etc. The police can reopen investigation if suspect exhibits this type of behavior, correct? These actions at least call for a couple more interviews and a polygraph.
Something just occurred to me. When he and Amanda were waiting on a train or bus, he
said that husbands are asked to lay down their lives for their wives. The irony struck
me that as Amanda may have resisted some of his activities/ideas/plans/internet use, etc.
that perhaps DB felt that she was usurping his authority. It might be twisted and rationalized as... if she wants to act as if she has a husband's authority, maybe *she* should lay down *her* life.
And the minute something is filed in court? That hospital can do NOTHING but maintain your loved one until that court tells them they can do otherwise. Some court orders are filed just to "buy time". That another day or two will pass before the motion is heard and in that day or two..a miracle can happen. Or so they think. Not everyone that pushes back with a court order is intending to see that order thru..they are just buying another day or two for their loved one to see if something "happens".
Who. CARES. This is useless minutiae and soap opera-esque speculation being recycled again and again in the comment section. Seriously? What the hell!
ABC 123.
Jim Carter claimed christianity but apparently did not discern the danger brewing within jones' church. High profile leader. Large congregation. Influential en masse. Devestation. There were warning signs. Staged healings. Twisted doctrine. Gross immorality. And, conspiracy or ill intent has not been alluded. Just observation. Blackburn. Noble. Pence. The governor may not have discerned potential dangerous element within the resonate wellspring group. But a man in his position needs to be cautious.
Lynda, I didn't say it was easy. I simply pointed out there was no way her organs could have been donated unless she was declared brain dead ... if you're a nurse you should know that. I also used the term LEGALLY DEAD, so clearly I understand that brain dead means DEAD.
I never said or even insinuated that the doctors are all about "you and yours," so I don't understand what you're rambling on about.
I think you're arguing with yourself at this point.
And your basically saying anyone would lets their DEAD loved one go at the advice of doctors is a bad person. Nice.
Be honest ... if he had kept her on support for 36 hours or 72 hours or whatever, you would still be critical, you would still think he did it too soon and you would still think he had her killed. So what's the difference?
*YOU'RE* not your.
Wow. Prescreened questions, no doubt.
DB: "I'm excited about this Sunday. I'm sitting down with Amanda's sister, mom and dad to answer your questions and hear their perspective on life, death, grief, loss, hope and healing!"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHTRWKBUQ9/
I'm sure I've read the reasoning here, but it must not have been sensible or impressive, because I'm still wondering why commenters think Amanda's family appears to be extremely supportive of Davey.
Ladies in US, please put on hijabe before commenting on topics being discussed. Hijabe make you respectful while commenting.
Uh, maybe cause her father got all sweet on him at their tabletop bullshitting session...the one where he mirrors his body postures like a lover in heat.
Anonymous said...
Lynda, I didn't say it was easy. I simply pointed out there was no way her organs could have been donated unless she was declared brain dead ... if you're a nurse you should know that. I also used the term LEGALLY DEAD, so clearly I understand that brain dead means DEAD.
I never said or even insinuated that the doctors are all about "you and yours," so I don't understand what you're rambling on about.
I think you're arguing with yourself at this point.
And your basically saying anyone would lets their DEAD loved one go at the advice of doctors is a bad person. Nice.
Be honest ... if he had kept her on support for 36 hours or 72 hours or whatever, you would still be critical, you would still think he did it too soon and you would still think he had her killed. So what's the difference?
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Actually, I got involved in this because of your response to another poster who commented that she thought Davey "unplugged" her pretty quick and I believe you said he didn't have a choice or some such. It rapidly went downhill from there.
Please do not put words in my mouth by saying I "basically" said anyone that took the advice of a doc is a "bad" person. I said no such thing. Nice.
I did qualify my statement that professionally and personally I would do such and such.
Done with this.
Anonymous said...
Wow. Prescreened questions, no doubt.
DB: "I'm excited about this Sunday. I'm sitting down with Amanda's sister, mom and dad to answer your questions and hear their perspective on life, death, grief, loss, hope and healing!"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHTRWKBUQ9/
September 8, 2016 at 8:27 PM
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The timing on this is interesting considering Peter's blog just came out and Davey may feel the need to do some damage control. JMO
If this had been in the works, Davey would have been crowing and pumping this up for weeks. Stay tuned! Amanda's parents are coming! They support me!
US ladies, have your husbands allowed you to blog late this evening before friday just to bick bick bicker? US Husbands please instruct US wives in respectful dialog.
Traci Mosby, I just read your comment to me, and you dont know what youre talking about hun. The individual Im talking about needs to wake up and think about his kids and his wife and show them some compassion. The MOST HONEST THING I have ever heard about alcoholism was, very surprisingly, said to me by a very drunk alcoholic who was what most would consider "white trash" but man she was funny. But in talking to her, the subject of her alcoholism came up and I started saying to lies of AA "Well, it runs in families..." with this "compassionate tone you speak of. And she said to me "Nah, I just think I should always be havin a good time." THAT IS THE CORE TRUTH OF ADDICTION SURPRISINGLY OUT OF THE MOUTH OF A DRUNK ALCOHOLIC WHO I WAS SPOON-FEEDING EXCUSES WHICH SHE REJECTED AND THIS WOMAN HAD LIVED A VERY HARD LIFE. 12 Steps and sponsors lie about the nature of addiction, fuel the myth that alcohol/drug addiction is rewarding, rob individuals of their power and fuel self-absorption which fuels addiction. As a sponsor, I would jusy say "OK, you wanna get shit-faced? I'll drive you to the bar. Here's a puke bowl. F&ck you." Honestly better than the satanic lies of AA, LYING ABOUT THE VERY NATURE OF ADDICTION TO VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS.
What then is the truth of the nature of addiction?
With regard to IN gub'ner Pence attending memorial service for Amanda (aka the Davey show - his lucky break:
I seem to recall that the gov was there to show a "tough on crime" stance. I'm thinking that her service was prior to arrests having meen made in this case.?
Attention US ladies: Profane language not acceptable. Attention US husbands: you find more work for US wives and stop paying internet for them.
Here is info on AA being Satanic (as I googled this to see if I am the only one who thinks it):
http://www.fmh-child.org/AA.html
I am the first to admit that my own drinking was caused by a defect in character caused by neglect and abuse but nonetheless it opened me up to to addiction...lying to someone about the nature of addiction is a terrible thing. AA LIES.
What is the truth of the nature of addiction? someone on here asked me....
I am no expert, but I think addiction is a spiritual ailment that AA fuels rather than heals.
Addiction is the desire to be free that turns into enslavement. Someone who is addicted is confused in very profound ways by the intake and influence of the substance about who they are, the substance convinces them they need the substance to be whole, when they don't need it to be whole. And the effects are cumulative where the intake of the substance takes more and more away including even mental attributes like confidence ,etc. causing the individual to become more dependant on the substance for this "perceived" wholeness. When the whole thing is a LIE. The "wholeness" it gives is an illusion...it is actually crippling the person. The problem is, regardless of what got the individual involved in addiction, the ONLY way out is taking full responsibility. This is not to shame the individual...it's just that ANY excuse-generating including AA's "I am powerless" is EXACTLY what the addictive substance needs to get back in the door of that individuals' life. The individual is NOT powerless. The individual is the only one who has the power. This is not insignificant. If someone is an alcoholic and they leave even the tiniest possibility of drinking again being an option, they WILL drink again. AA ensures this will happen by mimicking the lies of addiction itself "One day at a time". If there is a spirit of alcoholism, it LOVES AA;s One Day at a Time! Loves it!!! OK, you're not drinking today? That's alright, I'll get you tomorrow, says the evil spirit of alcoholism. ARe you kidding me?!?!? No that doesn't work. A person has to stand up and say NO I'm not doing it anymore NO MATTER WHAT. It's just as simple as that. Unfortunately, it must come from the individual themself...no amount of hand holding or sponsoring will help because that is just a band-aid and actually will normally cause a person to want to drink more as they are being treated like they have an incurable disease. Once a person becomes sober, it is NOT a daily struggle after about a month or two have gone by (another one of AA;s gigantic lies). When I think of alcohol I want to throw up...it's not a daily struggle...I am repulsed by alcohol,,,cause I look back and just see the brutal devastation it caused me. And how sick it made me feel. Never do I want to wake up hungover or even with that gross depressed feeling. Seriously is there any illness that makes a person feel that sick as a bad hangover? None I've ever had!!! Once you're out of the throes of alcoholism, you look back and are like what the fuck that was awful!!! You don't want to go back. AA is a lie. It doesn't work.
I have a question for whoever can answer. Maybe this has already been addressed.
I've been spending time in the archives reading Peter's earlier "Blackburn" analysis. I'm looking at two statements specifically. Both said at different times, but in conjunction to the same event: Amanda's murder. They are:
""For us, we don't have anything to hide." (two negatives (don't/anything - in this instance "anything" infers a negation (0), therefore, two negatives equals a positive) us/we, not I indicates more than one person involved.
DB and at least one other person has something to hide.
and
"Amanda died so the church could live"
Can #2 be considered a confession?
Nic,
Where did you find the quote "Amanda died so the church could live"?
Yeah, what was the context? Who was the audience? It's a good quote, but when I google it, I only find it here.
Here's a much better article on the whole thing if anyone's interested. The truth is I don't really think it is caused by a character defect...I think it caused by just making a mistake and not realizing what one is getting into...it's not caused by malevolence...
https://www.orange-papers.org/orange-not_good.html
At 10:51
Good info. Glad you're free.
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/amanda-blackburn-murder-psychology-of.html?m=1
Ok, there I see Peter make the statement that Amanda died so the church could live, but he doesn't put quotation marks around it, so is it something Peter said?
^ that was Dec 2015
In June 2016, I see bobcat quote it here:
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/06/amanda-blackburn-murder-part-four.html?m=1
before 3 Davey quotes from 2016.
Thanks 11:42, and I'm glad if the information is helpful to anyone!
It's in Crazy Davey's shower scene with God.
Nic,
That is not an exact quote. It's not a confession, but an absolutely disgusting devilish justification. Pure evil.
Actual quote:
"I had a thought this morning in the shower and um felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said “Davey I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I’d asked you Davey before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride could come alive what would you have said?”. Hmmf. And course just like anybody I said “absolutely not. There’s no way. I’m good. I’m good with being married and with having two little kids and with pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I’m good with comfort.” And the Lord said, “that’s why I didn’t ask you the question beforehand”.
And so I’m used to having carefully crafted phrases and sentences and speaking things that are powerful into people’s life because the Lord has allowed preparation and he hasn’t allowed that right now and so, I want to ask for your grace in all of this but... The lord brought my attention to Ezekiel, the prophet, that God used in a mighty way, to speak into the heart of his, of his kids. And he brought me to the passage in Ezekiel chapter 37...
And I believe that, that in some way, some shape, some form, that, and we can’t wrap our minds around it theologically, God didn’t, God didn’t cause this to happen, but he allowed it, to happen in such a way, he allowed the breath of Amanda to come out of her so that the breath could be breathed into you and into me so that we could advance the gospel in a way that history books have never even told. So please do me a favor. Don’t let this be wasted. Don’t let this be wasted."
Link to video: https://vimeo.com/147251777
Related blog post by Peter: http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/davey-blackburn-deception-indicated.html
Just before the "dry bones" palaver.
God:. "what would you say, Davey if I told you your bride had to die so my bride could come alive"? (close paraphrase)
Bobcat, you posted that a preacher friend of Davey, Jake Baird, his wife died. I looked her up. She was so young and so pretty. Was there any cause for her death? Was there ground for suspicion? So odd!
Ah. There you go. Thanks Bobcat. The shower scene is one of my "favourite" Daveyisms. He is insane.
Its clear. He said it. She died to advance the gospel. I hope someone that cared about her will reveal how she really felt about her life. Are there any indicators after her death of dynamic church growth at resonate?
DB stated that he aquired an, unnamed, important new friend last Nov. Who? Someone at funeral? Can one find DB's statement?
Tanya,
Jake Baird is OT. Biblical murderers are a sensitive topic for him.
Hopefully his second wife will fare better than the first. Time will tell.
https://vimeo.com/151379786
From 10 hours ago on Davey's Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHTRWKBUQ9/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
"I'm excited about this Sunday. I'm sitting down with Amanda's sister, mom and dad to answer your questions and hear their perspective on life, death, grief, loss, hope and healing!"
For your consideration, and without much ado, my opinion of the lump sum total of the matter is this; it doesn't take a mad scientist to figure it all out:
1) Davey Blackburn was involved in the gruesome murder of his wife, from beginning to end; from the planning to the execution, including setting the stage before he left for his gym workout that morning, to sitting in his car on the phone with his good friend in the driveway waiting for her to die; ultimately, to the 'quick shut down the investigation' by Indy Law Enforcement.
2) Come'on now people, think for yourselves: Davey Blackburn has a 'friend' in Indy Law Enforcement who also has a higher connection who made the decision not to investigate him; however and wherever this connection began and ends, it IS there and it DID set the course for Davey to escape investigation and/or prosecution.
3) It is my astute opinion, that Davey Blackburn will never be investigated, charged or prosecuted. He wanted her dead and she is dead. The end. He gloats, as if saying to Amanda "I gotcha!" "I wasn't allowed to read your private journal, NOW I will publish it, hahaha". That is, after he deletes all he does not want the world to read. Amanda's family will never come to the forefront to question what really happened to her. Those thugs claiming responsibility will get off with light sentences. It has been predetermined and was prior to their entrance into the Blackburn home that morning, and particularly since the one who claims to have pulled the trigger cannot be proved to have pulled it.
4) We all know that Davey Blackburn is a sick SOB who needs to be locked up 'til the end of time but this ain't gonna happen. Not until he kills again, being so proud of how easy he got away with it this time. He IS insane, this is not the end. He will continue the need to build his self-worth and gain publicity. He will eventually die completely insane, but he DID get away with killing poor Amanda. She died a slow, pitiful and painful death, knowing her husband was killing her.
5) Peter has given a very carefully worded and brilliant final analysis while not coming right out and accusing Davey Blackburn. You can only admire him for being word conscious and selective, not wanting to wind up being sued. But Peter Hyatt knows the truth.
6) I have not read all the posts above, I only scanned a few. I scanned some very intelligent ones who have sought diligently to get to the truth; however, I stopped reading and posting here months ago because I did not see an end coming for Davey Blackburn and I still don't. Thank you all for your kindnesses to me over the previous months and earlier years. Sincerely, AB
http://www.people.com/article/jonbenet-ramsey-cbs-docuseries-clip
JonBenét Ramsey's Ransom Note Was 'Clearly Staged,' Investigator Alleges in New Docu-Series
I'm bumping this article, in part, here. IMO, it speaks to "guilty knowledge" -- a conclusion Peter came to via on-going and cumulative public statements made by DB.
Blackburn on Fox News: "I Had No Idea"
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.ca/2016/04/blackburn-on-fox-news-i-had-no-idea.html
[…]
"Honestly, I think it was by the grace of God that I had no idea what happened. I honestly thought, she was three months pregnant, so I thought that something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy,”
[…]
That he uses "I had no idea" is something that is difficult to believe since we have ideas about most everything in life. Yet, when we take this statement ("I had no idea") with the unnecessary need to persuade that it is honest' use of "honestly", it raises a suspicion: did he know she was shot? He attributes this "I had no idea" to "the grace of God" and this attribution is only weakly asserted with "I think…
[…]
"When I found her, she was still breathing, and I thought, man this is really bad, but if we can just get her to the hospital she's going to be OK. I had no idea there were bullet wounds. Had no idea somebody had been in my house. Things didn't look right, something was up, but I think I was just in this cloud of shock.”
[…]
When he finds her, she is not "bleeding" but "still" breathing.
"Still" refers to passing of time.
Did he know someone had been in the house?
[…]
He does not say that he had no idea about someone in the house. If he is unwilling or unable to say it, we will not say it for him.
For someone who has consistently used the pronoun "I" here, this dropped pronoun about someone entering the home is coupled with the fact that this same subject earns a living by his public speaking, tells us that he is not, at all, committing to "not knowing" someone entered his home.
Question: Did police miss this connection between being on the driveway deliberately staying outside while on the phone, while the victim was "still" breathing?
For some that may have felt that the deception in his statements was limited to being relieved of the burden of being married to Amanda, or related to homosexuality, this particular point is difficult to ignore.
"Had no idea somebody..." is not credible.
He should have been administered a polygraph in spite of the strong alibi of being at the gym.
The Sheep, Bobcat. I've discovered it isn't a direct quote. It is a summation of what DB said after Amanda died to his father-in-law's church:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/davey-blackburn-indiana-god-allowed-wifes-murder-church-could-live-151872/
Pastor Davey Blackburn Says God Allowed Wife's Murder So Church Could Live
[...]
"I told dad yesterday that I didn't want to say anything partially because I don't know how well I can hold it together when I speak to people. Partially because I haven't talked to my congregation yet or addressed them," Blackburn began. "But I suppose sometimes you have to talk to your parents before you talk to your kids about what's going on in your life."
...
"I had a thought this morning in the shower. And felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said: 'Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I had asked you, Davey, before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride can come alive, what would you have said?'" he noted with an uneasy chuckle.
"Of course, like anybody else I said 'absolutely not. There is no way.' I'm good with being married and having two little kids, pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I am good with comfort. And the Lord said, 'That's why I didn't ask you the question beforehand.' Because sometimes when you say, I surrender all, you mean I surrender some. So you are put in a situation where you have to surrender all," he continued.
Blackburn then shared another revelation with his father-in-law's congregation, referencing Ezekiel 37 in which the prophet spoke of the dry bones living again.
"And it said the breath was breathed into the beings and that breath is the breath of life. It's the Holy Spirit of God that breathes life into you and me. I believe Ezekiel spoke the Gospel of Jesus Christ over that valley of dry bones. The Bible doesn't indicate what he spoke and so we have to kind of fill in the blanks there, but I know there's only one truth that can bring life and that's the light of life, that's Jesus Christ," said Blackburn.
"And the Good News of Jesus, how He gave up his life so that we could have life," he added.
Blackburn then rebuked the congregation for becoming stale.
"Last year, close to this time, I spoke a message here and whether you get offended by this or not, I don't know, and honestly it doesn't really bother me if you do, but when I looked out across this congregation I saw a valley of dry bones," he said.
"I saw people who had life once but there was staleness. And I believe from that moment, I've heard story after story after story about how God has been beginning to construct this congregation in such a way that it can advance forward," Blackburn continued.
"What God is doing now, through this event, God is now breathing life into this army. And I believe in some way, some shape, some form that we can't wrap our minds around it theologically. God didn't cause this to happen but he allowed it to happen in such a way, he allowed the breath of Amanda to come out of her so that the breath could be breathed into you and into me so that we could advance the Gospel in a way that history books have never even told.
"And I believe it is going to come out of this house. I believe it is gonna come out of our house in Indianapolis. I believe in this region, God's gonna do something from the crossroads of America that's gonna scatter across America, and we're going to see a revival like we have never seen before," he added.
Where does the information come from that Davey Blackburn was not given a polygraph? I've asked the question several times before, but no one has ever given an answer. It has to have come from somewhere for people to keep repeating he "should have been" polygraphed.
Scott Peterson
Drew Peterson
Perry March - attorney in Nashville who moved to Mexico & remarried - was convicted of killing his wife 10 years after her disappearance.
Scott was prettier than Davey & March was smarter.
His luck will run out. He ll get overconfident. Someone will get tired of his shit. Or become suspicious. Most likely in the context of his next public relationship....and isn't it about time for A Season of Courtship?
Me2l, the seemingly continued familial support is the only thing that has given me pause. It really was the only thing that gave me a 5% chance thinking he could just be "that lucky." However the Levi and Ken Murphy interviews completely sealed the deal for me. After hearing 8-10 different reports of what he thought happened and his stammering and stuttering through the morning just couldn't be overlooked. That was after all the other things and suspicious timelines of the morning. Add the seeming leakage from his sermons, him taunting with I like to "project in my sermons" and his subtle but cunning cut downs of Amanda almost every week makes me 100% there even before Peter's final analysis. Now I am convinced even though not sure he will ever be brought to justice. As far as I know, Peter has not been wrong.
As far as the family goes, I am BAFFLED! The fact AB dad sat there and let that goon tell his church that Amanda died so her breath could bring the church to life made me crazy! He continue to let Crazy Davey call his church a bunch of dead, dry bones and the FNL watched him like he was the most amazing, spiritual man that ever lived. The dead bone church then clapped for him! I just don't get it. I have heard that The Sociopath Next Door is a good one to read. Davey somehow has them so enamored with him, they can't see past it. The interview on Sunday should be SA gold. I plan to transribe it if I can.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
From 10 hours ago on Davey's Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHTRWKBUQ9/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
"I'm excited about this Sunday. I'm sitting down with Amanda's sister, mom and dad to answer your questions and hear their perspective on life, death, grief, loss, hope and healing!"
Whenever body posture (sit, sat, stood, standing etc) enters a statement, it is an indication of tension, and flag ged for follow up questions.
I have a question.
It is noted above that DB brings body posture into his statement. Although, stating what he is going to do (future) and not what he has done (past).
Would the "body posture" (indicator of tension) principle come into play?
That he is "sitting down with Amanda's sister, mom and dad to answer your questions" i could see where he may be feeling nervous about "answering question". What "questions" are going to be asked? Are they privy to the questions before hand?
Who controls what can and can not be put to them?
Is it going to be streamed live? Or, Will it edited before posted?
Is "body posture" taken into account in this scenario?
There is a theme in the above-linked article that rang familiar with me. A chilling familiarity. Note the running theme between the above and the "would Amanda have still said yes," blog by DB, specifically: q/a format, agenda/plan, (lack of) choice, martyrdom, surrender, sacrifice, comfort, convenience. Interesting he refers to leading an "army" of resurrected bones above and in his blogging he refers to the Emperor Nero who ruled armies during a time christians were persecuted for not putting the emperor "first".
Lord to Davey:
Because sometimes when you say, I surrender all, you mean I surrender some. So you are put in a situation where you have to surrender all," he continued.
Amanda to Jesus (as told by DB):
Amanda led out in prayer. In tears she said, “Jesus I’m sorry for the times I make my life about my agenda. I want my agenda for my life to be Your agenda for my life.”
DB to Counsellor (asterisk emphasis mine):
None of us know what “cross” Jesus is going to ask us to carry. There’s no pre-laid-out terms of contract in this whole thing. He just says take up your cross and follow *me*. Amanda chose Jesus over anything else.
Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/14/would-she-have-still-said-yes/
Part 1
My counselor asked me this question during one of our conversations. He said, “Davey, do you think Amanda would have still said ‘yes’ to Jesus about moving to Indianapolis if she knew she was going to lose her life four years into it?” I really had to chew on this before I could answer him.
I’m not sure why that question caused me to ruminate for so long. Perhaps it’s because I’m not sure how many people would immediately jump at the chance to die for Jesus. How many people does He even ask to do that? Certainly not many! He normally just asks us to LIVE for Him. But die? So it stumped me for a moment.
As I sat there and pondered his question a few images surfaced in my mind. I thought about the journal entry she wrote after our last Sunday service at NewSpring: [image]
I thought about the journal entry she wrote the day after we arrived in Indy with all our love, vision, and worldly possessions loaded into a 99 Mercury Mountaineer, a 97 Honda Civic, and a Uhaul moving truck: [image]
I thought about the prayer she prayed at our leadership retreat in the old fitness room of a Cincinnati hotel the weekend before she was killed. We were spending some time as a leadership team praying and worshiping, honestly preparing our hearts to listen for the plans Jesus had next for our church. It was one of those moments you could feel something different in the atmosphere. Almost as if Jesus himself was sitting in the room with us. Amanda led out in prayer. In tears she said, “Jesus I’m sorry for the times I make my life about my agenda. I want my agenda for my life to be Your agenda for my life.”
That simple prayer opened the floodgates for prayer after prayer from our team all congruent with this one theme: SURRENDER. Amanda led the way in surrender. Surrender to a greater plan. Surrender to a greater story. Surrender to a greater God than anything she could have ever imagined or fabricated.
On Monday morning, November 9th – the morning before she was killed – I remember walking into our bedroom at about 7:30 in the morning. I had just finished some time reading the Bible and praying and knew that she was up doing the same. When I walked in the bedroom, however, I didn’t see her in her normal spot propped up on the bed reading. I peered around the corner to check the bathroom. She wasn’t there either. When I looked back toward her side of the bed, there she was, on both knees, bowing beside the bed. Leading the way in surrender.
As these images flooded my mind I looked at my counselor and said, “Yes. She still would have said ‘yes.’” Because for Amanda, no matter how much it hurt, she always chose the route of obedience over comfort.
My counselor then shared with me about his visit to Rome a couple years ago. He said he’ll never forget visiting the ancient Colosseum. At one point the guide ushered them down to the dungeons where they housed the early Christians moments before they would meet their demise in front of thousands of screaming Roman citizens. Nero was the Emperor at the time, and he hated everything about the movement of Christianity. Some of the monstrosities committed against these Christians are outlined in Hebrews 11.
Part 2
What’s fascinating is Nero didn’t ask these early Christians to recant Christ. Ancient Rome was a polytheistic society, meaning most Romans worshiped MANY gods. He merely asked these Christians to worship him FIRST, before they worshiped Christ. These early martyrs could have easily succeeded to Nero’s wishes, all the while holding on to their “love” for Jesus in order to spare their life. But they didn’t. They chose Jesus over anything else.
Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.
None of us know what “cross” Jesus is going to ask us to carry. There’s no pre-laid-out terms of contract in this whole thing. He just says take up your cross and follow me. Amanda chose Jesus over anything else.
Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.
I want that kind of faith. I want that kind of boldness. I want that kind of courage. Truth is, for many of us Amanda is still leading the way in surrender.
From one of the early video interviews:
Steve Doocy: Yeah, and one of the other promising leads is there is some video that shows some kinda grainy, it can make out somebody walkin’ , has that been helpful to the police, I, in this (video of perp) you can’t really see any of the guys features , presumably a guys features, ah, has that been helpful to the police?
DB: Well, I, ya know, I’m sure its been helpful to them, um , they’re, ya know, they’re, they’re the professionals, they do this, they’re very good at what they do, and so um, it’s not been helpful for us, we obviously don’t recognize a, who that is, and you’re right, it’s very obscure, so we’re not , we’re not sure, but again, we’re just, we’re trustin’ that they’ve got not just that but lots of different things to ah, to a, help in the process of, of findin’ this perpetrator, yeah.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/19/indiana-pastor-davey-blackburn-interview-about-murder-wife-amanda-blackburn
Bobcat @ 12:20, yes! :0) I didn't read ahead before I posted the same thing.
I am interested to hear your thoughts (and everyone else!) about that and the "would she had still said yes" comparison.
IMO, it all sounds contrived, which to me, reinforces the notion of "guilty knowledge" even more. That reference to "pre-laid-out terms of contract" stands on it's own. He doesn't say plan, as in "The Plan" or a "master plan" as is usually the case when people talk about the circle of life. He says CONTRACT. There is a difference between a plan and a contract. A contract is an agreement. He references a contract whose terms were agreed to in advance, in the context of Amanda not knowing she was going to die and who in the end "surrendered" (submit to opponent/enemy/authority). DB said she always chose the route of "obedience" (submission to another's authority (gun?)) over comfort -- over health, over safety, over convenience".
jmo
Nic, it is all just so nutty. I guess Davey thought the new generation of dry bones needed the sacrifice of a young pregnant mother. Not a bad deal for him either with all the new money and fame. Someone needs to write a book.
Nic,
My thoughts are already interspersed in the many thousands of comments here after earlier articles. I'm glad to see your renewed interest and I hope you enjoy the treasure hunt of digging though it all. There is enough here to fill a few books.
Davey has guilty knowledge of Amanda's death, and I am pleased to see this affirmed by Peter's analysis.
Now, I have some things to tend to at home. 8-)
Nic, Bobcat, Lynda, Concrned, etc. I think most here feel strongly that Crazy D has guilty knowledge of what happened to Amanda. How did this play out? Obviously Bull was all over this but is he is still free selling drugs and impregnating women. Was Bull paid to orchestrate the crime? How was he paid? I believe Davey told the person in charge that the neighbor would be gone for the night. They drove a long way to hit that neighbors house and they had no fear of her coming home as they sat and drank waiting for Davey to leave. IMO, Taylor was dropped at the house to take the fall. He was stoned and drunk and they didn't come back to get him. He had to walk through the neighborhood to be picked up. Was the payment, the stuff they got at the neighbors home? They sure did know where to go, what time to get there and knew to deactivate an alarm. Why the wait in the home for so long? From Davey's own statements, he got up at 4:30 and read the bible for ten minutes. What did he do with the other 90 minutes? Something held him up. He then worked out for maybe 30 minutes since he didn't leave his home until 6:10, drove all the way to gym, but then left at 7:10. He drove home and then sat in his driveway for almost an hour. Does anyone know if the neighbor was late coming home that day? I don't think Davey was waiting for Amanda to die. He knew she was a goner. I think he was waiting for the neighbor to come home so this all looked like a random rash of robberies. What are others speculations.
Anonymous @ 10:51
Your post is very powerful. Congratulations on your healthy lifestyle. Everything you say is true. An old acquaintance of mine married a woman who works in the mental health industry. The night I met her she had just finished a workshop about the links between alcoholism and drug addiction. Long story short, she said the manner in which smokers approach quitting smoking (with the intent to break the habit forever,) is the manner in which the industry needs to approach alcoholism. i.e., create the mindset that they are quitting drinking forever. It is interesting how society views smoking as a "bad habit" and alcoholism as a "disease". Both are addictions.
Amy Smith said...
I emailed the Marion County Prosecutors office last week and received this reply:
Dear Ms. Smith,
The recording of Mr. Blackburn’s 911 call is evidence in a pending criminal case. It will become public if it is entered into the court record during the course of a trial or pretrial proceeding, or after the criminal case is concluded.
Sincerely,
Peg McLeish
Communications Director
Marion County Prosecutor’s Office
O: 317.327.5543
C: 317.223.3988
www.Indy.gov/MCPO
Social Media: @MCProsecutors
Thanks Amy.
Is this something that happens in every criminal case involving murder where the 911 call is not released as it is evidence in a pending criminal case?
Is this something specific to this particular state?
Is this something specific to this county?
If it is a common procedure, why do we hear 911 calls involving murder being released before the trial or any 911 calls such as a missing child etc?
If this is not something that happens in the normal procedure of investigation and trial is this because there is information in the 911 call from db that could indicate guilty knowledge or involvement in the murder of his wife and unborn child?
Is this because the 911 call could be used in evidence against db himself?
Excited utterances and suchlike.
Bingo 3
Nic, it is all just so nutty. I guess Davey thought the new generation of dry bones needed the sacrifice of a young pregnant mother. Not a bad deal for him either with all the new money and fame. Someone needs to write a book.
Pregnant being the operative word. IMO, had Amanda not been pregnant, her story would not have garnered the (national) attention it had. It's one thing to minister on the loss of your wife. (Wives/mothers die every day.) It's another to be granted the "good fortune" to minister on the loss of your *pregnant* wife.
IMO, I think Amanda's dad's silence was the dumbfounded realization of who he was looking at. It speaks to the very fabric of who DB is, that he could look into his father-in-law's face and over his father-in-law's congregation and declare them "dead" to him. Then, not surprisingly, offering to bring them, and "the church" to life (allowing them "to live") but only if they followed him, the self-appointed, "saviour".
jmo
Bingo3 said:
I think he was waiting for the neighbor to come home so this all looked like a random rash of robberies.
I agree and I add to that, I have always believed that that neighbour was his alibi and the reason he sat in the driveway for as long as he did. That neighbour was almost 30 minutes late arriving home. (I don't even know if I can dig up that reference but I read that when I first started reading about the Blackburn murder and that detail has stayed with me -- I will endeavour to find it later.) IMO, that neighbour was DB's alibi incase LE ever investigated him. (Hypothetical conversation: neighbour: he arrived shortly before me. We got out of our cars at the same time and waved hello to each other.)
jmo
Just how exactly does or has god benefit from ABs death?
Nic:
The neighbor would not be able to say when he arrived if he arrived before her. For all she knows, he might have never left the driveway.
The neighbor arriving home later than usual was a rumor, and she can't be his alibi because she wasn't home when Amanda was shot.
Nic, I thought I heard that she was late coming home also. It makes sense if this is the reason he rushed home from the gym just to sit in the cold car in the driveway with wet gym clothes on. Surely, Weston was waking up by this point. Davey must have been a nervous wreck waiting. I don't think he really needs her as an alibi as it was established he was at the gym when the thugs were in the house. He did need it to look random.
Is db claiming his church was a failure until......ABs death? Are there more attendees now? Jim jones not only faked healings but forced, by intimidation, females to strip in front of attendees. And later 900 people killed themselves at his instruction
Anonymous CJ said...
Waiting game quote from Davey's blog:
"I called 911 as soon as I could, and the paramedics rushed Amanda to the hospital. The next 24 hours were a waiting game to see if the swelling in her brain would subside and give us any hope of her survival. Mid-morning on November 11th the doctors informed me that there was no brain activity and she would not recover."
Hi Anonymous CJ.
"I called 911 as soon as I could
What prevented him calling 911 immediately?
What was he doing that prevented him calling 911 immediately he found Amanda unconscious and half naked in a pool of blood on the floor?
as soon as I could
Was he waiting to make sure Amanda was dead or critically injured that she would not or could not tell authorities what happened and who did it?
That he admits to sitting in his car on his driveway for 45 minutes which i personally find strange and worthy of further investigation, prompts me to ask if he went into his house and saw Amanda was still alive and then went back out to his car to wait until he was sure she was dead or unlikely to be able to say what happened.
The time between him leaving for the gym and him making the 911 call is sensitive, particularly him leaving home and him arriving back after the gym and sitting in his driveway.
He needs to be polygraphed, statement analysis interview as a minimum.
Thank you for this thorough and thoughtful analysis. I agree with you.The truth will come out eventually. I hope no one else has to die for it to be revealed.
"And I believe that, that in some way, some shape, some form, that, and we can’t wrap our minds around it theologically, God didn’t, God didn’t cause this to happen, but he allowed it, to happen in such a way, he allowed the breath of Amanda to come out of her so that the breath could be breathed into you and into me so that we could advance the gospel in a way that history books have never even told. So please do me a favor. Don’t let this be wasted. Don’t let this be wasted."
_________________________
This statement is one of the worst that POS has ever uttered. Disgusting
It is telling to me that CD 911 call came in 3 minutes AFTER his neighbors. His was second. When he saw her come home, he let the neighbor get in her house and then CD skedaddled it into his own home. The fact that 3 minutes went by before CD even called 911 is suspect to me. Count out 3 minutes. Start counting from the time you open the front door and see your wife lying half naked and bloodied on the floor in front of you. 3 minutes is A LONG TIME.
CD: ""When I found her, she was still breathing, and I thought, man this is really bad"
Yep. It was REALLY bad cuz she wasn't supposed to be still breathing..she was supposed to be dead. Keep counting cuz that would have taken only about 15 seconds (if that) to ascertain she was still breathing.
Davey had also NEVER addressed any live saving attempts he made. If Davey WOULD have made any attempts he damn well would've told people about it! How HARD he worked to get her heart beating, how HARD he pressed down to staunch the bleeding, how he cradled her in his arms as she lay dying, but he didn't. I bet when EMT's got there she was still lying facedown on the floor. Knowing he did nothing as far as first aid should have sent hinky meters going off all over the place! Nor did he say he checked on Weston. For all of you out there that are going to say, "we don't KNOW what he did, we weren't there." Hey, have you seen Davey? Have you heard him speak? If Davey had done first aid..we would have known about it cuz he cant keep his mouth shut, particularly when he can make the story about HIM.
So what WAS he doing for 3 minutes? Go ahead, tap it out...180 seconds and see how long a time that really is that he was doing NOTHING.
Yes, Donae just had yet another one of Bull's kids. That makes 4 for him that he acknowledges. He's 20? 21?
Bull just posted this:
Alonzo Duguoise Bull
18 hrs ·
We all gotta play our part ! Mfs better play it right 😒
Hmmmm...one could think that AB is aware of Peters conclusion and this is his "notice" that nobody better roll.
I agree his "sit down" language is highlighting tension. I wonder whose Idea it was? As stated before, I think it was a last minute thing cuz CD HAS read Peters conclusion. Since he always tries to "correct" things that Peter has brought up, Sunday should bring forth a plethora of words for SA
Another reason the 911 call will NOT come into play. CD did not relay to dispatch that there had been a robbery and that his wife had been ASSAULTED and SHOT. If the general public ever heard his 911 "non emergency" call, an outcry so large would happen that I think prosecutors/police would have to DO something. And the 911 call will forever be "unavailable" because after conviction, they will still say its an active case since appeals will be filed.
Anonymous @ 12:05,
Re rumour, Thanks for saving me time. Good points about not knowing whether he left the driveway; however, the gym video surveillance would have confirmed he had. If the timing had worked out, there would not have been enough time for him to shoot her three times in the "minutes" he would have been at home, sitting in the driveway and subsequently entering the house. Being on the phone with his friend, who lived miles away, (easily third-party verifiable via cell phone records) would also "prove" he was on the phone while en route/in the driveway.
I could be wrong, it's just that 7:30 is important and my tendency is to attach it to the shift-working neighbour, because he did not exit the car until she arrived home.
Peter teaches that where people start a story/statement is important. DB begins his story the morning before at specifically, 7:30am. Note as well, Weston and Mel are not part of the morning of the 9th. That's why I interpret the 9th as being the "dry run" to DB arriving home from the gym "to shower". (Should have been 7:30 but, instead he sat in the drive-way until his neighbour arrived home.) Idea: was her discovery meant to tie up emergency responders and create a delay?
On Monday morning, November 9th – the morning before she was killed – I remember walking into our bedroom at about 7:30 in the morning. I had just finished some time reading the Bible and praying and knew that she was up doing the same.
I'm imagining when I say this, I imagine DB sitting at the window watching and confirming the arrival time of his neighbour, just to be sure. Dot the "i's" and cross the "t's". If I recall correctly, she worked shift. Shifts can change and I figure he was waiting in the part of the house, undisturbed, where it was assumed he was reading/praying, but he was actually monitoring his neighbour's "habits". Again, his neighbour working shift could just be rumour, but it's what I read. That story about the 9th also has a "stalking" tone to it. It only involves Amanda "vulnerable" (her side of the *bed*). As was the 10th, Weston and Mel do not factor into the story one iota. The bathroom also factors into that morning (where there is water/washing/cleansing). Within the context of "the day before Amanda was killed" (the subject being murder) and the manner in which she was found (inferring sexual assault), it's pretty eerie.
These are my opinions and impressions and application of statement analysis principals to public statements and stories published on the internet.
Lynda, weren't you carrying on yesterday saying this will never go to trial and prosecutors will force a plea deal? How can there be appeals if they take a plea deal? You can't have it both ways.
Another thought: How many criminals take time to dawdle in a home because oranges are
available? Uncontrolled orange addiction? They knew to wait until someone left.
@Bingo3, they entered their homes appx. the same time, but it took DB minutes longer to call 911. Interesting considering the bloody scene he literally walked into and the fact that he was still probably holding his cell phone in his hand.
November 10th
6:36AM - Recovered Chase ATM receipt $500 (max withdraw attempt?) denied. Stills depict a person who appeared to be driving a silver Chrysler Sebring to the drive up at the Chase ATM. Pink shirt wrapped around his face and was wearing a white hoody over his head.
Appx. 6:40 - 6:45AM she was in bed at 2824 Sunnyfield Court. She heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream.
6:54AM same subject is on foot and successfully withdraws $400.00
Around 7:05AM (Angela Knox) was leaving 2933 Sunnyfield Court. She noticed a male walking north from her court.
7:10 AM - Blackburn left the gym
7:10-7:15AM Huddleston was leaving 2842 Summeadow Way. He saw a black male… also wearing a hoody walking on Sunmeadow Way…Huddleston came back to his home instead of leaving. He saw the male walking east. A “like white late model Chrysler Sebring” drove east and stopped. The male got in the front passenger seat….
7:53AM, Chase bank left a voicemail for Amanda Blackburn. The voicemail alerted Amanda to suspicious activity on her Chase debit card ending in 3667.
(exactly one hour after the (max) $400 withdraw at a diff. bank/DB was sitting in the driveway on the phone)
At 8:17AM November 10th, 2015, Allison Becker called 911
At 8:22AM, November 10th, 2015, David Blackburn called 911
At 8:30 AM IFD 12 requested the…Police Department
At 8:44AM …officers arrived as Medics were carting Amanda Blackburn from the home
At 9:01AM Detective Peter Perkins responded to Methodist hospital to investigate the extent of Amanda Blackburn’s injuries.
Davey "sitting down" with Amanda's family to see how they're "doing life" in this "season."
So condescending. He's going to be lecturing them, and his sheep, about God's omniscience/omnipotence and how blessed they are to be part of the master plan for world revival, based on Amanda's martyrdom.
linda said:
and SHOT
You are correct. DB is on public record as not "finding out" she had been shot (in the head) until he got to the hospital.
Great analysis and commentary Tania and linda!
There was actually a FIVE MINUTE delay, not three minute delay between the 911 calls?!?
Maybe the Fed govt should take a look inside the Indy pol dept.
I think the neighbour who was in bed and heard two shots and a woman scream needs to be investigated/interviewed to determine whether she has any ties to gangs. Being that she was the Blackburn's neighbour (presumably known) if she has any gang involvement, she could be the "missing' link.
jmo
@Anonymous 3:06PM,
Yes. Those times taken from the PC Affidavit. And just think, DB had literally just hung up from a cell phone call, so most likely arrived "to discover" Amanda lying face down in a pool of blood with phone in hand. But he chose to delay calling 911.
My apologies for spelling your name wrong, lynda. I was thinking "Tania" with an "i" when typing my responses. :0)
I had just finished some time reading the Bible and praying and knew that she was up doing the same.
DB says "some time". He only allots "some time" to reading the Bible and praying. What was he doing with he rest of the time?
Note the location of Amanda: up
Off Topic: How come noone has done SCAN on the Ramsey ransom note? Going on memory the line "YOURE NOT THE ONLY FAT CAT AROUND SO dont think that killing will be difficult." SCAN says the part of that statement that comes before "SO" is likely deceptive. This means "Youre not the only fat cat around" is likely deceptive. This means the writer was probably not wealthy and important and was not around people who are wealthy and important. How does this reflect on Patsy being the author?
Also "S.B.T.C"
There is no period after the "C" and it has been said that this means the writer did not complete their thought. But what if the "C" stands for a word so sacred the author unconsciously felt uncomfortable abbreviating it? What if the word was "Christ"? Or what if the word was a hyphenated word which made the writer steer away from abbreviating it? What if the word was "Christ-child" or some other abbreviated word? Or maybe it stands for "Christmas" which also comtains the word "Christ" and might cause a person to unconsciously feel
uncomfortable abbreviating it?
Any thoughts?
I am convinced the last word is "Christ" or "Christmas". Could "S.B.T.C" stand for "Stopped By This Christmas"?
Saved By The Cross
Release of 911 calls....
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/911-recordings-transcripts-state-statutes
@ Alexandra, Peter has done quite a bit of analysis on the JonBenet Ramsey case. Here is a link to the ransom note (part one). Note sure if there is a part two or if further analysis was done under/along with another topic.
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.ca/2013/01/jonbenet-ramsey-note-part-one.html
Nic, great thinking about checking about the neighbor that heard the shot.
We should have all kinds of material to look at when AB's family speaks.
DB might have to do some dancing around what comes out of their mouths.
He seems to be feeling the stress and reacting more to his perception
by others. What happens when the money flood dwindles?
Also, I can't wait to hear Burke speak about Jon Benet. That will be
another rich opportunity to study SA.
Patsy Ramsey wrote that note. No doubt in my mind. Handwriting analysis could exclude EVERYONE but her. Patsy killed JB.
Nic,
Alexandra is a troll trying to take the topic away from DB.
Where is his flood of money comming from?
@Anon "1"
Re your link about release of 911 calls.
"Indiana
Prosecutor’s offices can withhold recordings under the Access to Public Records Act if it they are involved in a crime investigation."
__________
They "100%" cleared DB, so why are they allowed to withhold the call? He was the one who made the call.
What about the other 911 call by his neighbour minutes beforehand. Was it ever released? How do we find out?
They are allowed to withhold the call under Indiana law. Period. Just like prosecutors in many other murder cases in numerous states withhold 911 calls until trial even when the caller had nothing to do with the murder. Specific examples have been given many times here, but some people here refuse to accept that.
Off topic
Bill Cosby has long preached the gospel of personal responsibility to fellow blacks, irritating those who fault racism for holding the community back.
But now lawyers for the 79-year-old comedian have suggested for the first time that racial bias is to blame as Cosby faces the prospect of 13 women testifying in court that he drugged and molested them. Twelve of them are white.
Cosby's legal team raised the issue on the courthouse steps Tuesday after a hearing in his criminal sex assault case in suburban Philadelphia. Whether they intend to bring up race in the courtroom remains to be seen. At a minimum, some legal experts said the defense is trying to influence potential jurors.
"I think that you've always got to have in mind who's your jury pool," said Los Angeles lawyer Mark Geragos, whose clients have included Michael Jackson. "That's probably the end game."
Or the lawyers may have been dutifully carrying out Cosby's instructions: "It could well be they are expressing the concerns of the client," said Carl Douglas, who was on O.J. Simpson's legal Dream Team.
Cosby is set to go on trial next June on charges he drugged and sexually violated Temple University employee Andrea Constand at his home in 2004. He could get 10 years in prison if convicted.
In bringing up race, his legal team took aim at celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred, who represents about half the women who have agreed to testify against Cosby.
Allred "calls herself a civil rights attorney, but her campaign against Mr. Cosby builds on racial bias and prejudice that can pollute the court of public opinion," the lawyers said in a statement.
"Mr. Cosby is no stranger to discrimination and racial hatred. When the media repeats her accusations — with no evidence, no trial and no jury — we are moved backwards as a country and away from the America that our civil rights leaders sacrificed so much to create."
Allred called the tactic "desperate."
"It is ironic that a man who has chastised the black poor for making race an excuse would now have to lean upon that as part of his defense strategy," said Georgetown University sociology professor Michael Eric Dyson, a black scholar and author of the book "Is Bill Cosby Right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind?"
"If you're more cynical, you might say, 'What manipulation of racial rhetoric in defense of the indefensible,'" Dyson said Thursday.
Cosby's lawyers have not raised any bias claims in court during their myriad efforts to get the case thrown out. The focus for now is on keeping out the most damning evidence, including Cosby's 2005 deposition in which he admitted using drugs and alcohol to seduce women. The defense will also fight strenuously to keep the 13 other accusers off the stand.
His lawyers asked on Tuesday to have the trial moved out of suburban Montgomery County, where the case was a major topic in the election campaign for district attorney last fall. Lead defense attorney Brian McMonagle suggested that the jury be drawn instead from Philadelphia.
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Though McMonagle did not say so, Montgomery County is 80 percent white and 10 percent black. In Philadelphia, the racial split is nearly even.
That's not to say Cosby enjoys the unquestioned support of the black community.
The trailblazing TV star and one-time role model has chided activists who call the criminal justice system racist.
"These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake," Cosby said in an often-quoted 2004 speech before the NAACP. "Then we all run out and are outraged: 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"
His scolding remarks to the black community about baggy pants, fatherless homes and rap music have rankled younger blacks and scholars like Dyson. But they may still resonate with older blacks who share his focus on family life, education and personal morality.
"Those that grew up in the shadows of his 'Cosby' show don't want to believe the stench of the allegations," Douglas said. But "I would think that millennials, if they think of the word 'Cosby,' would think of the word 'date rape' before you think of 'The Cosby Show' or Cliff Huxtable."
Still, when it's time for the defense to pick a jury in this case, Geragos suggested race will trump all: "Ultimately, at the end of the day, they're not going to take a white juror over an African-American juror."
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/09/09/bill-cosbys-lawyers-claim-racism-for-first-time.html
Finally, when all else fails, play the race card.
12 of his alleged victims were white.
There may still be other victims who have not yet come forward for whatever reason (but they will if he is found guilty is his defense thinking ahead and deciding what to do and what to introduce)
Of course his defense will try and play the race card.
He is a victim of racism because of who he is, a wealthy black american and it is the whites who want to take him down.
White women are making these false allegations because they don't want to be seen as having slept with a black guy, he has money and they see him as an easy target especially given his previous history where he paid out compensation.
His defense is trying to taint the jury pool implying he will not get a fair trial because he is black and almost all his alleged victims were white (Like the good ol' days of slavery and subsequent treatment of blacks in general)
For someone who has complained about blacks using race as an excuse for everything, it seems he is not averse to playing the race card when it suits him, especially in relation to sex crimes.
No doubt cosby and his defense are hoping for an all black or a majority non white jury so that can aim to persuade said jury to acquit cosby as a way to get back at whites.
Black lives matter, especially when said black life belongs to cosby and he would not only do serious jail time, he would also be liable to pay his alleged victims compensation.
I wonder what color his defense team will consist of?
Mark McClish said the C was an incomplete thought. How is "Cross" and incomplete thiught? I am proposing if the word is a sacred word it could cause the individual to feel uncomfortable abbreviating it thereby writing a "C" if the word was "Christ" or "Christmas".
As far as handwriting, the author went back and put "caps" on the a's they had originally written as oval a's to make them look like manuscript a's (the kind on a typewriter) which is the way Patsy wrote them. How can that fact be discounted?
But now lawyers for the 79-year-old comedian have suggested for the first time that racial bias is to blame as Cosby faces the prospect of 13 women testifying in court that he drugged and molested them. Twelve of them are white.
Speaking of the race card and wealthy black entertainers/personalities. Years ago when my kids were very small I watched Oprah. There were a couple of times when her "haughty" treatment of a guest and audience member really turned me off; but I stopped watching her entirely when she gloated she had a "white" gardner.
Discrimination is discrimination regardless whose doing it.
*who's
SHL said...
Where does the information come from that Davey Blackburn was not given a polygraph? I've asked the question several times before, but no one has ever given an answer. It has to have come from somewhere for people to keep repeating he "should have been" polygraphed.
SHL, my guess is that it is an assumption because DB was cleared (I think) the next day. LE cleared him on a single piece of evidence: LA Fitness's video of him being at the gym while they ASSumed the crime was being committed. I ASSume that assumption was substantiated by a single neighbour who lives away from the Blackburn residence (up the street from them) who reported hearing two gunshots and what sounded like a woman scream. Which, doesn't doesn't sound right, does it? Don't people scream before they're shot? It would be interesting to read her statement. If LE even asked for her to write one.
I'm pretty sure someone might scream after being shot, for Pete's sake.
You don't know more than LE does, Nic. The idea that you've figured out when she was shot but LE is clueless is just ludicrous.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lynda, weren't you carrying on yesterday saying this will never go to trial and prosecutors will force a plea deal? How can there be appeals if they take a plea deal? You can't have it both ways.
September 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM
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I'm not having it both ways. I'm giving my opinion depending on which way they finally decide to play it. I have no idea how that's going to go down. I would tend to lean on the side of plea bargains tho..and you are correct. No appeals then (unless there are agreements for limited appeals on specific issues such as lawfullness of search warrant)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There was actually a FIVE MINUTE delay, not three minute delay between the 911 calls?!?
September 9, 2016 at 3:06 PM
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that just makes everything even higher on the hinky meter. 5 full minutes. Hmmmm
They "100%" cleared DB, so why are they allowed to withhold the call? He was the one who made the call.
What about the other 911 call by his neighbour minutes beforehand. Was it ever released? How do we find out?
September 9, 2016 at 4:15 PM
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Nic, that's another good point! I guess it will come out in time. Plus, the five minute difference in call times is hard to wrap my head around. He may *claim* he passed out from seeing blood like he did when he hurt his ankle years ago. I don't think if he claims that happened that it will work because he was looking around taking notice of all that was out of place. I think the 911 call was about 9 min long if I am remembering correctly. If he really didn't realize she was shot in the head, I can see him thinking she hit her head on something, but wasn't a huge amount of damage done to her head? That would have been quite a feat if she had hit her head, arm (with entrance/exit wound), and her back in one fall and landed on her face. I wonder if he even touched her because I'm positive the operator would have been directing his actions. Now, whether or not he acted in her behalf, I can't say. He was probably, in my mind, freaking out that she was still breathing and then still alive at the hospital.
I would like to know if the baby was possibly viable. They keep pregnant, brain dead mothers on support for weeks and months in order for the baby to mature and be delivered. Maybe they couldn't find a heart beat and an echo showed no signs of life. 12 weeks is too early, but 19-23 weekers have survived.
My Anon "I" is an i, not a 1. I based it on an older internet name I had that began with i. Unfortunately, it looks like I have promoted myself to #1 and that is not the case! *blushing*
WATCH THE NIGHTLY NEWS ON NBC right now!!!! Jonbenet ramsey news and new inside stuff on 9/11.
Stupid report giving NO new information about Ramsey case. Looks like it was just a teaser for Dateline later tonight. That is not "news"; instead it was an advertisement for Dateline tonight.
Blackburn is never going to be charged in the death of his wife. The case is closed now anyway withvthe culprits being charged. They'd have squealed already to save themselves if Blackburn was the instigator. I think it's time to accept Blackburn is just a horrible person who seems fine with the death of his wife.
Attention imbecile: STFU.
The investigation may be closed. But the case has yet to be tried in court.
Is the Ramsey case on Dateline tonight?? Sh&t the one time I actually want to watch something on TV, I wont be home to watch it! Ugh! Will it be online after the show?
Did crew boss set up the punks? Whats crew boss source of income? Punk crew scared silent in jail? Hows the Indy revival progressing?
Oh OK it's on at 9:00pm--I thought it was on at 11--so I am able to watch it and watching it right now.
Could the pilot have done it? "Pick-up" "Delivery"
He was out "readying the plane"...where's his alibi?
Pick up and deliver what?
The words were used in the ransom note...a pilot "picks up" and delivers "passengers" or cargo. The pilot was just about to "pick up" the Ramseys. He would have also probably known their status as being at home sleeping to be "well rested" for their early trip with HIM. These words in the note could be leakage from a pilot.
When Patsy called the pilot's wife to tell her she had just found the ransom note and her daughter was missing, the pilot
s wife said that her husband was out "readying" the plane...so he has no alibi...
No, I'm serious! It could be the pilot! He would probabaly know about the bonus too and was familiar with the Ramseys!
Lol you are obnoxious Sheep :) maybe animal control should check you out!
They have and ran!
I see what you mean now! Why was he "readying the plane"? Perhaps "pilot words" we're leaking from Patsy's mind as she though she might be needing to fly far away.
Sorry, Alexandra- you were coming across as kind of random and vague.
I'm pretty convinced Patsy wrote the ransom note.
Lol I don't blame them! (kidding)
Aren't you watching the show? Yes, you could be right about Patsy leaking those words as she was going to be getting on the plane (picked up).
I get an evil vibe off John Ramsey.
Sorry I didn't see your 1006 post...I am pretty convinced she wrote the note, but not totally. Whoever wrote it wrote it before Jonbenet was killed, not after.
So, do you think the pilot was hiding in the basement with JB's corpse? Or did he really kidnap her and then bring her corpse back to the house while he was supposedly "readying the plane"?
The whole ransom note sounds to me like the voice of the bad guy in "Die Hard". I think much of the wording was chosen to reflect that "voice."
I think the purpose of the note was to make us think that.
1012, No I think whoever did it wrote the note before killing her and that they were never planning on kidnapping her. (I did SCAN on the note mentally in my head and it's absolutely deceptive as far as kidnapping having been the intent.) They wrote the note to frame Patsy. It's just a matter of figuring out who did it. (Unless Patsy did it, but it just doesn't add up somehow.)
I agree with you...the tone is designed to largely reflect a "bad guy" movie voice...that is interesting that you are saying you think it is from "Diehard"...I've always had trouble reconciling a woman doing that.
10:28...yes I agree the writer intentionally tries to scatter/confuse belief as to what "type" did it...however whoever wrote it I feel did enjoy those type of movies and watched them repeatedly.
At 10:28 I meant I think Jonbenet was indeed dead when Patsy wrote it, but she wanted us to think JB left the home alive.
I'll add I'm not sure Patsy killed, Jonbenet, but I do believe she covered up for whoever did- and that could include herself but not limited to.
Sheep, I agree Patsy's demeanor seems so friggin guilty, like she is at the very least covering for someone.
I'll tell you though, I try to read that ransom note with my mind a blank slate like forgetting about the suspects just trying to figure out what kind of person wrote the note? What are they feeling and thinking when they wrote it?
One thing: Not only does it seem to me like the note was written beforehand, but it seems like the note could have actually been written in different sittings, perhaps even over the course of different days. There seem to be changes in the mood of the writer within the note. Changes in tone/voice (yet consistent with one person). The writer at times seems somewhat autistic, particularly in the mimicking of the movie lines (this is disturbing since I read on the other thread Burke has aspergers). I have never suspected Burke but there is an autistic quality to some of the note. The writer I feel also was enjoying writing about the money, I can't explain it, I just feel they are getting a kick out of it, like someone writing a story and enjoying writing about money in that way...make sure adequate size attache, no marked bills, demanding the money been broken up into specific bills...I don't think the writer wanted the money BUT they were enjoying writing about it. Oh Lord, I'll drive myself crazy trying to figure it out....
If some outsider was trying to frame the ramseys then there would be no need to write any note.
Burke may have killed JB, but there is no way he wrote that note. I see what you mean about autistic in places. However,
The letter is meant to shock.
The letter is meant to exert control over "the situation".
John Ramsey is familiar to the writer; the connection elicits both appreciation and dislike and at a maturity level above a child's.
The letter is consistently directed at John, says his name repeatedly (never says JonBenet). It deceives John.
Is it possible Patsy wrote the note on her own before John knew JonBenet was dead?
Alexandra: It seems like the note could have actually been written in different sittings, perhaps even over the course of different days. There seem to be changes in the mood of the writer within the note.
I was thinking over the course of several glasses of Chardonnay.
The letter persuades John that if his daughter dies, it will be because of his actions.
Sheep, yes the letter was meant to shock. Exactly. The writer thinks he sounds "cool". And he wants to shock the parents. He wants to be like the bad guys in the movies he watches. Burke would also be familiar with John. There are marks of definite immaturity in the letter such as "if you do x there is 99% chance she dies but if you follow our instructions there is 100% chance she lives". There is NO WAY an adult would say that...I remember being in elementary school and when you kind of "get" percentages and say them in kinda stupid ways like "there is a 99% chance I want to play that game". What adult talks like that? Also capitalizing "Police". The writer writing "any deviation of our instructions" instead of "deviation from our instructions". I dont know...I always thought the writer had serious social skills problems and thought the mimicking of "bad guy" movie lines sounded "cool"....it just never seemed like they were using the movie lines out of "desperation" to try to sound like a kidnapper but rather, because they thought the lines sounded "cool". I dont know...I really wonder if Burke wrote it.
Alexandra...Alexander
Samuel, Claire, Robert
Martha, Davis, MacKenzie
I just saw the Ramsey home. It now has a 6' wrought iron fence around it, but you could see the basement Windows on the side. There is NO way ANYONE, other than a child could have gotten into the house that way. I have NO doubt that Patsy wrote that ransom "letter."'She didn't seem to have above average IQ. She was obsessed about money & loved to spend it & show it off. The movies quoted in the ransom letter were movies they owned. Based on how innocent the kids seemed to be, I don't think they were allowed to watch Rated R movies. My son has Asperger's, & could compose a letter much better than the ransom letter. Patsy was the ONLY person they couldn't exclude from the handwriting analysis. That letter was ALL Patsy, trying to throw the police off the track. I think she wrote it while John was tying JonBennet up with a garrote. 😢
SOLVED!
I don't know why investigators don't check this blog. All the criminals not convicted over the years and found not guilty by juries are now known beyond doubt to be guilty, sometimes based on statement analysis, but usually just people's dreams and hunches.
Come ON police, read this blog! It will solve all your cases (or maybe you can arrest all these people for disturbing the peace with their stupidity).
One of the things I do in my job is examine text for grade level complexity. There are several sentences in that letter than are too complex for a nine-year old to write, autistic or not. It's claimed purpose as a cover up and the level of threat is too advanced for a child. It's use of idioms is adult-like. It's feelings towards John come across as sophisticated and not child-like.
The "parents" are not the audience, John is. As intended audience, Patsy is found nowhere in that letter.
Anon above saying SOLVED and for police to read the blog! That would be amazing if the police would read Peter's SA on Davey! I think they already know but maybe they would go to Davey for some further questioning and polygraph his a#$!
Anon at 7:07 said "Blackburn is never going to be charged in the death of his wife. The case is closed now anyway with the culprits being charged. They'd have squealed already to save themselves if Blackburn was the instigator. I think it's time to accept Blackburn is just a horrible person who seems fine with the death of his wife."
Larry Taylor has pleaded not guilty and did not want a speedy trial. It has been 9 months and no plea deals have been made. There have been 12 discoveries filed by his lawyer. They are taking it seriously. He has three CI (including the two thugs that were with him and are in jail) proclaiming he claimed to kill her and watch her die. What can he do but hope his lawyer can cast doubt. That is not good news for Davey. IMO, The other two are hoping to get Larry T hung for murder and they go out with just robbery charges. That gets them out of jail pretty quickly in Indy.
To be clear, I'm not saying Burke didn't cause Jonbenet's death, but that he didn't write the cover up letter.
Anonymous Anonymous at 9:19 AM said...
Larry Taylor has pleaded not guilty and did not want a speedy trial. It has been 9 months and no plea deals have been made. There have been 12 discoveries filed by his lawyer. They are taking it seriously. He has three CI (including the two thugs that were with him and are in jail) proclaiming he claimed to kill her and watch her die.
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How do you know this? What is your source?
It's actually "the love of money, is the root of all evil". Big difference.
CJ, from the affidavit and the court records. We know about the CI's telling investigators that Larry Taylor told them he killed her. We know from the court records and the news that he pleaded not guilty and when asked for a speedy trial, he said no I don't want that. The court records show the discoveries filed.
https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/#/vw/Search
Larry Taylor 49G05-1511-MR-041732
Insurance money, donations, gofund me accounts, parishioners donations? Could be a number of things. Would love to know what amount Amanda was insured for.
Traci, if you can are still on here. Is it true and verified that Davey paid cash for an expensive car 3 weeks after AB death? If so has this been reported to PD?
What did LE take out of the house?!? What was in those bags?!?
Anon at 9:19, Larry Taylor pleading not guilty doesn't actually mean he's not guilty. Do you know how many guilty people plead not guilty? Even people who have ADMITTED to murder plead not guilty all the time.
The fact that he waived his right to a speedy trial is also NOT an indicator he is innocent. Again, many GUILTY people waive their right to a speedy trial.
Taylor's lawyers are going to have a hard time blaming Davey for this, no matter how much you want them to. There is no evidence that Davey shot Amanda, and if they try to blame Davey for setting it up, that is basically an admission Taylor killed her in a murder for hire. Not helpful at all for Taylor.
Think, people.
Well, SA has "proven" Davey has guilty knowledge.
There is no evidence that Davey shot Amanda, and if they try to blame Davey for setting it up, that is basically an admission Taylor killed her in a murder for hire. Not helpful at all for Taylor.
Davey Blackburn identified LT as the trigger man in July:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/forindy-week-2-no-pain-is-in-vain/
"We’ve got some friends there that were putting on this, thing and, so I was side stage looking out, at this sea of 6,000 teenagers and the the lord spoke to my heart and said, “Hey Davey, what if Larry Taylor, [spoken aside] who’s the guy that actually pulled the trigger on Amanda. [end aside] What if Larry Taylor had had this, when he was twelve years old?”
He has since backtracked to calling him the "alleged" killer.
I hope LT's lawyers asks him straight out if he "allowed" a hit on Amanda.
Why would they want to admit Taylor killed her in a murder for hire? Because he wants to spend the rest of his life in prison? Lol
Seriously... if they do that, they'll have to say who sent the thugs there, and you people have been saying for months and months and months that the thugs will NEVER snitch.
People contradict themselves so much in their desperate attempts to defend murdering rapist Larry Taylor.... so desperate you'll even drag a rape victim through the mud. Disgusting.
Who cares if Davey calls him the killer or the alleged killer? The jury is not going to give a rat's a$$ what Davey calls Taylor if there's sufficient evidence Taylor killed her WHILE DAVEY WAS CLEARLY AT THE GYM.
You're supposed to use the word "allegedly" before someone is convicted, anyway. The authorities do it ... that doesn't mean they're any less sure the "alleged" killer is the killer.
These people are pinning their hopes on any small thing that could possibly, even in a fictionalized recreation, point to Davey's guilt. And now they have "proof" in the SA "guilty knowledge" conclusion--a conclusion that is not in the least surprising considering the tone of this blog.
Sheep, Re: ransom note: It defies common sense to think any individual (nevermind a middle-aged woman) who wanted to cover-up an accidental death by writing a kidnapping note, would just "happen" to have movie lines from many "bad guy" movies memorized. I dont think Patsy wrote it. John Ramsey said he knows Patsy didnt write that "bizarre note"...he calls it bizarre bc it is..,it was written by an autistic person and John knows who wrote that "bizarre note". He knows Burke wrote it.
1. The whole thing defies common sense. That a nine year old autistic kid would come up with such a complex cover up defies common sense as well as the writing itself which defies what is developmentally way more advanced than a nine year old could muster.
2. We are now trusting that John Ramsey is a source of veracity of JonBenet's death? Of course he said she didn't write it. And when he "said he knows Patsy didn't..." do his words really reveal that or is there deception present?
There is no way a nine year old wrote that letter! And I'd argue for several reasons, namely the use of idioms, it was not written by a member of a "foreign faction."
Alexandra, do you still believe Amanda's murder was the result of collusion among Amanda's friends and family, specifically, her dad and sister?
In addition to analyzing text for grade-level complexity in my job, anecdotally, I have a nine-year old daughter with a 154 IQ, scored advanced in every language test she's ever been given, and has written stories on a regular basis for years. There is no way she could compose some of the sentences written in that letter. Also, someone autistic would have a hard time creating the emotional familiarity in that last paragraph.
Sheep, There is nothing "complex" or "emotionally complex" about the ransom note. It sounds like something an asperger kid sat down and wrote in 3 different sessions. Some asperger kids are shy and gentle but it's not true that all are. Years ago I knew a family who had a boy that age with aspergers who was very violent to his younger sibling...the kid would attack his younger sibling just for "getting in his space" and according to another kid who had witnessed it, would attack him like he was a rag doll and would not even glance over at his younger brother after he attacked him to see what the effect was onthe little brother...how upset was the little brother, how badly was he hurt, etc. The kid who had witnessed this specified to me that it was much different than other friends of his that had brothers who would sometimes get into fights due to the fact the asperger kid would attack the younger brother viciously like he was an object. The parents judt looked the other way. One time I actually reprimanded the kid when his little brother came upstairs crying from the asperger kid attacking him as I saw the mother was not saying a word to thr asperger kid to reprimand him.
Asperger kids can be very intelligent. As for emotional complexity, there is no emotional complexity in the ransom note...what little emotional dynamic there is comes from the movie lines. Asperger kids do not have empathy. There is actually a very immature lack of emotional understanding in the note. If you notice there is no appeal to the emotions John must feel for his daughter...none...not even "Im sure you want her returned to you as soon as possible."
Also, the line "if you want her to see 1997" is very immature. Remember when you were a kid it would be a big deal when the year changed to a new number! Not so much when youre an adult.
Then why was Patsy the ONLY person the handwriting analysis could exclude? Patsy wrote it. Burke is as innocent as the day is long. I don't think he has a mean bone in his body. It was Patsy.
The note creates an alibi for the Ramsey's (we have her...she is safe) as well as a complex familiarity with John (possibly to create potential suspects). It attempts to blame John for what might happen to her. For a "ransom note" it is indeed more emotionally complex than ANY nine year old could engage in.
So, have you abandoned the pilot theory, or is Burke conspiring with the pilot?
Oh shutUP
Yes
There isn't a Ramsey thread somewhere?
There isn't a "Bullys Anonymous" meeting you should be attending, anonymous? You know, since you're too scared to tell me to shut up under your regular username?
That is my regular user name.
Anonymous said...
CJ, from the affidavit and the court records. We know about the CI's telling investigators that Larry Taylor told them he killed her. We know from the court records and the news that he pleaded not guilty and when asked for a speedy trial, he said no I don't want that. The court records show the discoveries filed.
https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/#/vw/Search
Larry Taylor 49G05-1511-MR-041732
September 10, 2016 at 10:53 AM
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Anon, thanks for the link.
The affidavit only mentions one CI. That individual tells a detailed account of the three suspect's actions that morning from the point of view of someone who accompanied them. There was speculation early on that Gordon was the CI. His arrest leaves that in question.
The CI ends with an account of Larry Taylor telling Bull, Watson, Gordon, and another individual (name redacted) that he killed Amanda. Even if the CI was in the room to hear Larry tell this story, it is hearsay. (The rest of the CI's account may be hearsay as well, if he/she did not witness the crimes, but heard about them from others).
AFAIK, Gordon and Watson have not implicated themselves or Taylor in the murder.
Based on Alonzo Bull's statements in the affidavit I would be surprised if he wasn't called to the stand as a prosecutorial witness (unless they arrive at a plea deal). It will be interesting to see how that plays out in his community. (News flash, gangbangas: Alonzo Bull is a snitch).
That figures
Why don't you just go ahead and use your real name or is it The Sheep?
Why don't you?
How is the familialirity with John COMPLEX in the ransom note? The writer mistakenly thinks he is from the South. Or did someone who likes to mimic include that line because it sounded "cool"? "Use that good Southern common sense of yours."
I feel the writer displays a poverty of emotional range. There is no relating with John's emotional state...the writer is shocking, immature and then playful towards John. There is no mention of Jonbenet's emotional state. In fact there is no relating of the enotional state of the 2 gentleman watching over her : "They dont particularly like you." Even the voice of the writer conveys no discernible emotional state that would suggest a person with a normal emotional range or understanding of emotions wrote the note. The writer does a strikingly BAD and bizarre job imitating the mental state of a kidnapper.
The note was written by someone with not only a lack of empathy but an impoverished understanding of emotion itself.
Why don't I? People are so stupid.
I did not instigate the name thing. That was The Sheep who called me a coward for being anon. I don't care who uses what name. No one uses their real name anyway.
Got it?
Didn't he live in Georgia for years before Colorado? And move back there after?
"the writer is shocking, immature and then playful towards John."
I not seeing what you mean by immature, but yes, this shifting dialogue, which also shows respect towards him, is too complex for a nine year old.
The statement where the writer says the gentlemen watching Jonbenet do not like him...why not "we don't like you"? More complex than a simple threat.
"You will also be denied her remains for a proper burial."
That is not a nine year old thought.
"Use that good, Southern common sense of yours."
Why "good"? Despite threatening his daughter's life, he still shows respect. The whole ungratiating yet threatening tone is too complex for a child.
"If we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence and earlier pickup of your daughter."
Linguistically, nine year olds do not write sentences with this grammatical complexity.
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