Friday, October 21, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder: Post Crime Behavior



One element of analysis that is particularly difficult is "attendant deception"; that is, one is deceptive about one thing, but not another.  

In many major crimes, lesser crimes are committed "in attendance" to the major crime and can show up in statements.  In other cases, substance abuse often multiplies crimes, making it more difficult, not to spot guilt, but to assign it.  

For example, in a missing and murdered child case, the father was deceptive.  Yet, he was not the killer; a sex offender was.  His deception was indicated while his daughter was missing, but it later proved to be deception about negligence due to substance abuse, allowing for his daughter to wander off.  

Deception and Guilt in Language 

We (a team of analysts) strongly discussed the deception within the language of Davey Blackburn.  Although he is likely hiding SSA, there was too much deception related to the timing of the crime, suggesting knowledge that his home would be hit by criminals, with the necessity of the almost 40 minute delay.  

Regarding the case,  I have yet to find a single professional investigator who disagrees.  

With SSA, there can be lots of varying topics of deception, from his marriage, to the teaching of Christianity, right down to his public image, that he is acutely aware of and actively refining.  

Since his wife was killed "for the church", he has sought to fulfill this "mandate from god" (he is not delusional, hearing voices; he is deceptive).  This is where he was naked in the shower hearing from the Almighty what a great and historical figure, he, Davey, is, and what great accomplishments await him.  He has been shamelessly promoting and exploiting her death since, but there is something more:

Perhaps Amanda's restraints upon his "success" were more than what he indicated when he told us  that she stood in the way of success because she wanted his time and attention.  

Sociopathic and narcissistic behavior seek justification.  We see this in analysis with subtle insult or blame shifting to the victim. 

From Blackburn's own wording:   3 intruders did not murder Amanda, Amanda "gave her life" in "martyrdom" so that "the church would have life." 

Recall in his "shower revelation" (criminal psychology and statement analysis recognize the need for cleansing) where he then set the stage for shifting responsibility to others, should he not become the historic figure the Almighty 'told' him he would be.  He targeted the church audience, and his father-in-law, of whom he insulted for his work produced "dead" Christians.  If he failed, he would have others to blame; not himself.  The lack of personal responsibility is a strong trait of liars.  

Amanda As Hinderance To Success 

Although Amanda, who in video appearances presented as a lovely and authentic believer in Christianity, allowed for a ready-to-use excuse, she was, he told us pre crime, a hinderance to his self defined success. 

His subtle contempt for her was evident in the videos by his language, demeanor and even in his body language.  He interrupted her, corrected her and even his comparative language "of success", using his own rebuttal, show an obsession with numbers.  Scripture teaches joy in heaven from one sinner repenting, "but", as he used in public video, his numerical goal was not met.  This was a video that produced the pronoun "I" in his language  a dramatic change from the incessant use of "we" in his televised appearances.  This nullifies the claim of mental illness.  

With the new videos and blog postings we see a more defined effeminate appearance and deeper choreographic work in the videos as he 'out Elmer Gantrys' Burt Lancaster's character.  The appearance of the narcissistic showman has increased and the self promotion to "help" the Almighty has become emboldened.  

He told us, in his own language, that he was obsessed with numbers for his success.

He told us that his wife did not meet his sexual needs and that she hindered him because she wanted him around, keeping him from his self defined success. 

He openly complained about her in a most humiliating and demeaning manner, while he expressed an acute need to make certain his public knew he was heterosexual.   

He video taped himself waving a gun. Shortly after, his wife died from the use of a gun.  

He followed a strict daily and weekly workout routine, all but once, the very day  his home was entered and his wife killed. 

He told the public that she was not murdered, but "martyred" and that "she died so the church could live", supplanting the redemptive work of Christ. 

That he publicly told that Amanda could not meet his sexual needs and that he was directed by the Almighty, while naked in the shower receiving information on his own greatness, combines sexuality with the need to be cleansed from guilt.  

We now take these things, along with consistent deceptive indicators in the public statements and we look at the post-crime behavior. 

This has raised a question that needs an answer: 

Has the restraining influence of Amanda now been removed from Blackburn?

Is it more than just in the element of her taking up his time?

As he continues to write, he continues to reveal more information about himself, and about the crime.  

It would be interesting to learn:  What does the victim's family think of the 'new' Davey?

Is her family continuing to read what he says about their daughter? Had a man publicly announced that his wife does not meet his sexual needs would trigger a very strong response from most families, in particular, fathers.  Yet, Blackburn publicly subjugated his father in law with insult.  

Is her family watching the videos showing a visible and audible transformation now that their daughter is out of the way?

Blackburn's  language indicates a need to justify her death.  It is not just used for commercial advantage.   

As he continues this path, I expect an increase, even in spite of various pauses or warnings that cause a pause.  As numbers grow, he will alienate Christians who will no longer be able to dismiss his claim of Amanda being the substitutionary death for the Church to as just the wild emotional swing of a man deep in bereavement.  This means he will have to continue to change the Biblical message into the 'gospel of davey'; that is, to tailor the message to fulfill the messenger's insatiable appetite for fame, power, control and fortune.  

Christians, too, see the insult to Christ in his words, even now, as he continues his promotion.  Early on, some felt the need to defend him but as he continues to assault Christianity, commenting has shown a change.  Although many did not consider him Christian based upon his teaching, others may have excused the teaching as errant, while maintaining that he still may believe in the basic teachings of Christianity.  

Will he continue this pattern?  Will the outfits, designed sets, choreography, polishing,  and showmanship continue?  Was this what his mentor intended to communicate when he said that "something was wrong" with Blackburn and it was something a woman "could fix"?  

Beneath the deception is the unknown, which, over time, makes its way to the surface, like the "Tell Tale Heart."  

As numerical success increases, the successful  alienate their own selves and insulate themselves from criticism and will endlessly excuse their own behavior, even as his mentor has shown recently.  Even the "mea culpas" not only minimize, but actually shift blame to others.  Other times, the mea culpa is so 'over the top' that the need to persuade becomes transparent, even without analysis.   

Post criminal behavior and post crime behavior are both noteworthy.  


Was Amanda a restraint upon Blackburn, protecting him from himself, and now removed?  

Was the protection from self only due to sexuality and time constraints, or is it much deeper?

Time will tell.  

Amanda Blackburn was not a "martyr", nor did she "give her life" for any cause. 

Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide

It was her husband who stated that he received communication from God, while naked, in the shower, being cleansed.  




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Hey Jude said...

Proverbs 29:18 - "Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint."

I'm not sure if that is the most accurate translation, but I think Amanda was Davey's vision, in that she was the one who kept her eyes upon Jesus, and now she is gone, he is casting off Amanda's 'restraint' .


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I think there will be further devolpments, and that Amanda's family must be viewing his transformation with hidden dismay.

Hey Jude said...

Not totally hidden, but maybe Davey does not get it - or does he?

Lis said...

It seems like he keeps refining his retelling of what happened and changing details in response to peoples' comments. His different narratives about it are disagreeing with each other about what he did and thought when.

Peter Hyatt said...

Lis,

this is a very important feature of one who keeps posting:

he tells us that he is not working from experiential memory.

Peter

Anonymous said...

From the very first statement on the Resonate Church Facebook page on November 11th and from what Davey told Detective Perkins at Methodist Hospital on November 10th, he knew someone had broken into his house.

How can he say later on, in multiple different appearances where thousands of people have heard him say it - some variation of the statement that "he had no idea anyone had been in my house"?

This alone should give rise to additional questions - almost for an outcry for further investigation. This for sure should make Amanda's family aware that there was more to the story. It was supposed to be a cut and dried home invasion/breakin where the homeowner was shot in the process - why did Davey change the story ?

On another subject, how desperate is Davey to grow his church and continue to tell his story? If sacrificing Amanda isn't working to slingshot Resonate Church into the stratosphere, what will be next ? \

Davey likes exact timeframes and coincidences, like three years later - four years to the day - the getaway car was dropped on the exact same street as Amanda's ex-youth pastor lives - "Nothing is Wasted" was the very first song that randomly came on Pandora radio in the hospital).

This is a twisted thought but along the lines of the Levi Lusko video which is very important to Davey - will something happen to Weston on November 11th, one year to the day that Amanda and Evie went to heaven?

Bobcat said...

For any new readers - here is a link to a pieced together "timeline" of known statements, with links provided. There are many inconsistencies in the Satan's ploy.

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html?m=1

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 12:55

Regarding exact timeframes:

Ashley also wrote an article about reviewing her friendship with Amanda, conveniently on October 10th - just a month before her death. This particular facebook post was later used in Davey's blog, and it is written very differently than how Ashley usually posts.

https://www.facebook.com/ashley.barrett.7798/posts/10207002223881078
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/friendship-distance-and-forgiveness

Bobcat said...

"This is a twisted thought but along the lines of the Levi Lusko video which is very important to Davey - will something happen to Weston on November 11th, one year to the day that Amanda and Evie went to heaven?"

I hate to think about that! Or what could possibly go wrong with "refreshments" at the album recording in Elkhart. It's a smooth tie-in to the dry bones speech from last November. Now they have come alive to records an album!

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/live-worship-album-recording

Another disturbing thought I had...Davey has stated that Weston normally wakes at 8 AM "on the dot".

What is stated as normal/usual is not normal/usual.

Anonymous said...

If her family would sue him for wrongful death. Wasnt it civil suit against oj filed by her family that found him guilty?

Anonymous said...

Her family is sitting onstage at Resonate Church with Davey.

And they are also cruising around in a recreational vehicle with him, going on beach vacations with him, going on expensive golf vacations with him - appearing in pictures with him and smiling the whole time.

It's one thing to go to his church and speak about Amanda as a way to share their thoughts and (hopefully) bring people in. It's quite another to socialize, hang out, act normal and close like these people are doing.

It has been said that the Byars family is masterful at creating certain appearances on social media. And if they don't want to lose access to Weston, they have to act as if they think everything is ok and that they are not suspicious in the least. But who knows what they are really thinking and what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

I would love to know how they really feel in their hearts right now about all of this. If so many random people on the internet feel so deeply about this girl we've never even met - if so many can obviously tell that all is not what it was made to seem initially - how can her own family remain silent?

Anonymous said...

Just started the article. Before I read, can someone tell me what SSA is?

Anonymous said...

I never caught that before, Davey's statement about Weston normally waking up at 8am on the dot.

"Weston normally wakes at 8am on the dot."

Compare this to saying that "Weston wakes up at 8am on the dot" - or "Weston always wakes up at 8am on the dot"

Yeah, if the need to describe something as normal means "anything but normal" (just as November 10th was just a normal Tuesday morning), then Davey was actually saying that Weston usually wakes up at 8am on the dot but that morning he didn't.

So did Weston hear something and wake up earlier than 8am - or was he sleeping through the entire assault, furniture being knocked over, three gunshots - with the aid of something to help him sleep through it?

We've been told in the most recent blog post that Davey remembers hearing Weston's soft cooing from upstairs (and that his door was still shut as well) when he was back inside the house at some point after 8:20am. IF Weston normally wakes up at 8am on the dot, needed to be changed and fed and was expecting to be cared for as usual - soft cooing doesn't come to mind as the way Weston would be sounding from his room.

Weston has been as invisible as Amanda in most of Davey's accounts of the night before and the morning of November 10th.

Anonymous said...

One thing we know she restrained him from was porn. A while back I think I read that both Amanda and Perry Noble received updates about his online obsession, through some sort of tracking. Do we know this for sure? Or was that just someone guessing?

Anonymous said...

@ Bobcat at 1:46pm

Ashley and Amanda met for lunch to discuss their ailing friendship on October 10th - just a month before her death. It was one month to the day, actually.

Just another random coincidence? There are almost too many to count, now.

Bobcat said...

My speculation is that before Davey left for the gym, Weston was woken, changed, fed, and (re)dosed with Zyrtec. Perhaps "some" time sitting there on the couch was setting Weston up for a full-belly dry diapered druggy snooze while the "burglars" visited.

Anonymous said...

A while back I think I read that both Amanda and Perry Noble received updates about his online obsession, through some sort of tracking. Do we know this for sure?

We do know this for sure.

In the Love Song Week Six Q&A, where Davey and Amanda were sitting on high stools on the stage and taking questions to answer, Davey talked about making himself accountable for his purity and actions (not exact words) and that his internet actions were being monitored - and THEN said there are ways to get around the porn filters.

And Amanda clearly was not expecting that - it was obvious on her face.

Aprilrain71 said...

Yes, I was wondering the same thing.

Anonymous said...

How long between that Love Song and Amanda's murder? She may have been really pissed! She may have caught him. She maybe wanted to leave him. But even Crazy Davey knew that would be no good for his success

Nic said...



Anonymous said:
If her family would sue him for wrongful death. Wasnt it civil suit against oj filed by her family that found him guilty?


I thought the very same thing. Then they appeared on DB's "show" and all hope of that flew out the window.

Anonymous said...

Peter -

OT (sort of)

The missing woman case I mentioned yesterday... there's been more statements released from the family regarding the boyfriend (who has now retained a lawyer and the police are saying is being uncooperative).

"Robert, I'm asking to please help us, I haven't seen you yet, I've seen a lot of people helping. If you’d please come and cooperate with the police department, and help us and help them. I know that you love her, I hope that you do, and this would be a way to show it," said Glenn Verk, Zuzu's father.

vs

"Robert, if you love Zuzu as much as you say you do and have told me over and over, you will come down here and you will help the police bring my sister home."-Miles, Zuzu's brother

In my opinion, there is something just not right about the father's statements.
Source: http://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Blog-Search-continues-for-missing-Alpine-student-397314771.html

-KC

Nic said...

Anonymous said:
And they are also cruising around in a recreational vehicle with him, going on beach vacations with him, going on expensive golf vacations with him - appearing in pictures with him and smiling the whole time.


I think he is using them as a shield to deflect judgement and criticism. When they first appeared together on his "show", there was talk of getting together for dinner and clearing the air before that Sunday. Since then I have been reading references in the thread of all the "togetherness". DB needs them. Plus they said, paraphrasing, it's not the person, it's satan. As in "the power of Christ compels you". Collectively, they project a sense of "innocence" about him to everyone. In other words, they're a prop.

jmo

Anonymous said...

... and here he is praising the searchers...

"We've been embraced in a way that astounds us. Each day the search gets bigger and more extensive and more impressive, the resources that this small town has managed to gather to find our daughter," said Glenn Verk, Zuzu's father, during a news conference Friday morning. "I've found myself helpless and the only thing that I've really been able to do that seems to make any sense is to thank everyone."

Source: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Reward-in-Zuzu-Verk-Case-Increased-to-50000-397917421.html#ixzz4NkjA8Bsn

-KC

Anonymous said...

Love Song Week 6 – Q&A with Davey and Amanda

Davey and Amanda finish out the “Love Song” series by answering difficult relationship questions asked live by the congregation. Recorded October 18, 2015

Link to video here -

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-6-qa-with-davey-and-amanda/

Forward to 35:30 for discussion about the internet filters. Davey talks about this through 37:35 on the video.
Amanda listens but then her expression changes at 36:40 which is a bit after he says if you are savvy enough, you can find a way around the blockers.

He says it's a constant daily struggle to fight sexual temptation, it doesn't fix it when you get married, so he has to have blockers or filters "on all of my, um, uh, uh, browsing devices". . . .

Sensitivity indicated by stuttering ?

Nic said...

Anonymous said:
So did Weston hear something and wake up earlier than 8am -


He did go on about how great it was that Amanda died when she did because Weston had (paraphrasing) no memory of her/wouldn't miss her. Purely speculation on my part, maybe Weston did wake up and he climbed out of his crib.

Anonymous said...

Faux-Pseudo-AntiChrist Christianity has been in place so long it is considered the Truth. It has usurped the Name and built an institution around itself. It is not Christian. I hope its soon that the True Christ overthrows the false version of Himself and dispels the deep darkness that dominates the whole world. It was not long after Resurrection that the grossly degenerate and vastly wealthy city of Pompeii was suddenly and thoroughly overthrown. The unearthed artifacts shocked archeologists. They were deemed not for public viewing due to the graphic sexual content. In Noahs time it was recorded that violence and evil were rampant. He did not spare the world population. Humanity must wake up and get clean. He can overthrow our time also.

Anonymous said...

So, she was murdered 23 or so days later. That's interesting. That might be the spark that lit the string of incedents together. I think she was done with him!! Going to leave him.

Anonymous said...

He was so bold as to let her know he had ways around the tracking. Maybe he was so bold as to look at porn online at home. Possibly 4:30 am and she caught him.

Peter Hyatt said...

do you have quotes from the boyfriend?

Anonymous said...

I know what I'm doing is not SA. I am speculating. In my mind, it makes logical sense. He

Anonymous said...

SSA = Same Sex Attraction

Peter Hyatt said...

Speculation itself can be helpful.

Anonymous said...

More on the connection (some might see it as attraction) between Ashely and Davey (and about Derek not doing Crossfit) - from Ashley's Instagram and Twitter

"How Derek crossfits"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKGSBEKB-VwTZT0n8hBK4ezda16aHsisr03bxo0/

"These two couldn't be more opposite"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKB3ndKBJ-1JUKZx4pKJkn8s9BgY9dt6o1YS3g0/


Would Derek see this as joking and fun, or thinly-veiled disparagement ?

Anonymous said...

Anon,
Thanks for the clarification. I'll go back and read again.

Anon "I" said...

Interesting how Perry Nobel melted down after Amanda's death. I don't think he was involved, but it could possibly have opened his eyes to some puzzle pieces being shuffled around in his brain about CD's situation... Just an idea, IMHO.

Anonymous said...

I noticed in DB's recent posts he's now saying AB was killed by Satan and that God allowed it. His logic is that both Satan and God did it / allowed it for the same reason: because she was an ultimate true genuine devoted Christian woman. So, her death fits the agendas of both Satan and God!

Anonymous said...

God and Satan must have gotten together and agreed "this one has gotta go!"

Anonymous said...

God said "I need to require Davey to give up his wife, as per what I've asked of Great Men in scripture." And Satan said "Yeh, let's KILL her because I fear she might spread the word of God!"

BANG!

Bottle Cap said...

Nic, great observation: "In other words, they're a prop."

Everything and everyone is a prop to Davey. Amanda, the Byars, Weston, Meg, Ashley, his "god" and his "jesus"

Anonymous said...

...and now "satan".

Anonymous said...

From Nothing is Wasted Story 2 on Davey's blog from June 27, 2016

https://daveyblackburn.com/posts/nothing-is-wasted-story-2

I have long suspected that these "Nothing is Wasted" stories were written not by individuals wanting to tell their story, but by Davey or someone working for him.

Seriously, whose words are these below, copy/pasted from the blog- are they really the words of some random internet poster wanting to share?

"I began reading about Amanda and it was as if God put a magnifying glass on all of those characteristics about Amanda that I needed to know most - that she wasn't AFRAID to stand alone, that she had a resolve. That her life goal was to see as many people come to Jesus before her death. That her desire to have people hear about Jesus TRUMPED her desire for comfort."

Does this sound like someone wanting to share their story, or more like Davey running his playbook of buzzwords and choice phrases, wanting to get his agenda in print once again?

One of Amanda's life goals was absolutely to see people come to Jesus - even to see as many people as possible come to Jesus.

But I seriously doubt this 28-year-old was thinking at this point in her life "I want to see as many people as possible come to Jesus before my death, as is written in the blog story.

Just like I don't think she wrote "thank you for letting me get to see all of this with my own eyes" in her journal entry that Davey read during the WTHR interview.

Bottle Cap said...

Anonymous said...
...and now "satan".

This made me laugh. Good one, anon!

Violet said...

I just read Davey's blog (Part 3 of "How do you deal with Amanda's death), and it has literally nauseated me.

She died four years to the day that they moved to Indy? She was a martyr? God spoke to him again, this time telling him he stood on the balcony and watched Amanda's murder?

DB is losing his common sense. His narcissism is seeping out, as he grows more embolden and confident. He will eventually tell on himself, as he can't help it.

The comments on his blog praise him and feed his ego. Like sheep to a slaughter....

Geoffrey said...

Peter, That's so key I feel is his deviation from his normal work-out schedule in combination with the shower cleansing.

Maya5777 said...

Could you expand on that a little more Geoffrey? You seem like you were going somewhere with your ideas.

Geoffrey said...

Sure, Maya5777, I'd be happy to. Peter had brought up the notion of post-crime behavior and I think we see the first initial sign of this in the shower cleansing. Then we see change in appearance beginning with an effort to literally disguise the face with the growth of a beard. WE also see an effort to disguise the body itself with free-flowing tunic tops and lengthening, slenderizing pants. Davey is trying to hide himself, he is trying to disguise himself and lengthen his height I feel. Would you like me to go on?

Maya5777 said...

Geoffrey, I must say I am intrigued, and I very much like you to go on and tell us more if you have time.

Geoffrey said...

Goodness, I was about to share more but now I feel very inhibited by anonymous's comment. I hope Peter will be along soon to delete it.

Geoffrey said...

My thoughts are quite lengthy. Prepare yourself to be filled with my wisdom.

Geoffrey said...

Maya I was very much enjoying talking to you...I apologize for anon's incredibly disrespectful behavior. I think the lesson for tonight is that Davey is exhibiting post-crime physical changes. An effort to disguise himself. HOw about tonight we all have the thought exercise to contemplate is this due to unconscious guilt, or could someone have actually SEEN Davey at some point before/during/after the crime which causes him to feel the need to disguise himself so he won't be recognized? Maya, both of these things can contribute to someone changing their appearance after a crime. I hope you've learned a lot from me. I always learn a lot here from the cornucopia of wisdom from all the posters. We'll come back tomorrow with some fresh ideas about the case!

Maya5777 said...

Geoffrey, I have to say wow that is such an amazing angle I wouldn't have thought of! Could someone have actually SEEN Davey? Have I understood that correctly? Is that what you mean that he could literally be trying to make himself look different so he is not as easily recognized? Geoffrey, it's been amazing hearing what you have to say...I hope it's not too crazy if I literally create a worksheet with 2 columns: one for "Does he feel guilt?" and the other for "Is he disguising himself because he was seen?" I just feel like you're opening my mind to a whole realm of new possibilities in looking at the case! So very happy you stopped by! Come back tomorrow if you have time! We would be indebted to you :)

Violet said...

I don't believe he is disguising his appearance because he is worried someone will recognize him. He tries too hard to be seen! He isn't hiding himself whatsoever.

My theory is he is changing his appearance because either he has an unconscious guilt, or he is now free to express himself the way he wants to, without the "confines" of Amanda (SSA tendencies, maybe?)

Geoffrey said...

Maya, it's been a pleasure speaking with you. I'll leave you with the words of Fred Rogers "I'll be back when the day is new and I'll have more ideas for you, and you'll have things you want to talk about. I. Will. Too." Maya, forgive me for interjecting humor into our very serious conversation! I hope you have a wonderful night ;)

Geoffrey said...

Violet, I think you need to make the same worksheet Maya is making, and look at things my way, and then we'll consider whether Davey's fluid sexuality is contributing to his changes, but let's not miss any clues along the way. Ok, Violet? Do you think you can make a worksheet like Maya is doing?

Geoffrey said...

It helps if you use a ruler to make the 2 columns in the worksheet. (I thought that info might be particularly helpful for anon.)

Helen Isgot said...

Personally, I think Davey was repressing his homosexuality and that explains the changes Geoffrey. Are you blind as a bat? He is practically wearing a leotard now! HIs hair is overly coiffed and his manner has become more effeminate even with the "disguise" of the beard. I am not making your worksheet Geoffrey! You have a lot of audacity imposing your ideas!

Violet said...

Geoffrey, I dunno man. It sounds complicated. ;)

Violet said...

Geoffrey,
If I do, I will make sure I use my special markers and colored paper. Thanks for the tip on using the ruler...gosh you are too cool for school.

Geoffrey said...

Well Violet, I hope YOU don't think you're too cool for school and that you do your worksheet ;)

Helen Isgot, First let me say you have a lovely name. It almost sounds like a Viking name. Am I correct? It's been a while since I brushed up on my Nordic vocabulary but what a sweet-sounding name. Helen, Davey's SSA is certainly important. I know we did see a pic of him with another man cradling him like a lover with his hand on his chest embracing him. We can feel fairly confident he is gay (I am going to use that term instead of SSA as long as that's acceptable here). However, Helen, I think we need to put that on the back-burner while we contemplate "Was DAvey Seen Before/During/Or after the crime and is this why he has changed his appearance?" This should be column number 2 on your worksheet.

Helen ISgot said...

Why thank you Geoffrey. I've never had anyone compliment my name, but then again I've never met a man as educated as yourself. In fact, I used to abbreviate my name here simply because I was embarrassed of the sound of it but was very ridiculed by one or two posters. Thank you for restoring my dignity.

Bingo3 said...

From Peter: Since his wife was killed "for the church", he has sought to fulfill this "mandate from god" (he is not delusional, hearing voices; he is deceptive). This is where he was naked in the shower hearing from the Almighty what a great and historical figure, he, Davey, is, and what great accomplishments await him.

There are times when I think is this guy just a nut? Is he delusional? Thanks Peter for pointing this out again. He is not delusional, he is not a special prophet who was lucky enough to lose his wife so he could be a huge historical figure in the history of Christianity. He is a big fat, narcissistic liar who had his wife murdered. Nothing else.

Bingo3 said...

From Peter: Sociopathic and narcissistic behavior seek justification. We see this in analysis with subtle insult or blame shifting to the victim.

From Blackburn's own wording: 3 intruders did not murder Amanda, Amanda "gave her life" in "martyrdom" so that "the church would have life."

It not only schools me that the idiot keeps calling AB a martyr but that he loves to be called such a true man of God for showing grace and forgiveness toward those who killed his beautiful wife. It is sickening how he puffs up his chest talking about how he chooses forgiveness everyday. Forgive them? He is grateful to them! They gave him everything he has always wanted!

What shocks me the most is the people that tell him that he is inspiring them! What the heck? It worries me that so many people can be that naive.

Anon "I" said...

I seriously doubt that Amanda would have divorced or left CD. She, herself,
said that divorce is not God's will. Plus, she was so ingrained in the culture
of being a preacher's kid that she would have known how to toe the party line.
Appearances are everything... No matter how disgusted she may have been with
CD, she made a vow before God. No matter how unhappy, she would have tried
with all her heart to make it work. Plus, she was young and fairly naive. She
wouldn't have any concept of the evil CD was capable of from day to day and
she may have blamed herself somewhat (CD is manipulative that way in my opinion).

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Peter Hyatt said...
Speculation itself can be helpful.


I think Weston woke up and climbed out of his crib. It speaks to why DB references watching Amanda fighting for her life from the balcony. Weston was the reason he was up there. Why he has said things like he was "still" in his crib, (he had to put him back to bed,) why he needs to persuade everyone into believe Weston wakes up at 8 on the dot (because he has woken up earlier in the past,) or things like (paraphrasing) that the last time he saw his mother was when she tucked him in the night before. It's as if he has to (re)write history.

jmo

Nic said...

Anon "I" said...
I seriously doubt that Amanda would have divorced or left CD. She, herself,
said that divorce is not God's will. Plus, she was so ingrained in the culture
of being a preacher's kid that she would have known how to toe the party line.


I somewhat agree with you. There is also her age to factor in. Men go through mid-life crises in their 40's, women towards the end of their 20's. Women have an awakening around this time and it's especially tough if they married early, had kids early and they want "more"/to do "more", be defined differently/become intolerant of behaviour from their husband's, i.e., selfishness (money), abuse, drinking, abandonment (sports, business). Amanda was at an age where she was no longer "impressionable". She had spent 10 years (all of her adult life and then some) doing things Davey's way. She was 50% of the equation and they had a second baby on the way. She was a modern woman living in a western society who knew what was right and wrong. At 28, a woman doesn't want to "submit" (in this case abdicate) *every single thing* in her life to her husband. My impression from the few videos I watched before she was murdered was, the only thing Amanda was allowed to decide was "what's for dinner" and part of me wonders if it was based on what she was "allowed" to purchase (i.e., purchase chicken bone in/skin on). I'm not saying that she would leave DB over chicken. There was a lot going on they shared with everyone, I doubt that was all of it. I could see her evaluating her life and deciding to "disappointment" everyone around her and leave. Regardless if she stayed or not, the second baby was a game changer. Staying and having the baby meant he had to provide/put them first, leaving and having the baby meant child support, etc./putting them first.

jmo

Bobcat said...

"Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide."

Peter, I look forward to reading your supporting analysis.

Anonymous said...

To anon"I"
You are probably right about Amanda's views on marriage and divorce. But even pastor's wives do get fed up with abuse, etc, and leave their husbands.
I'll speculate that she was tired of always taking a backseat to his narcissism, his online porn habits that may have included gay porn. Just a few days earlier she heard him sayi that there are ways around the filters. Perhaps she caught him in the middle of the night and had enough of the farce of their marriage. She would probably stay in a farce of a marriage if she thought he was a good person. Maybe she finally figured out that he was not a good person at all. Narcissist, egotistical, selfish, no time for her and Weston, and now (possibly) gay porn. Maybe she didn't have time to tell anyone about her plans. See, I think it all happened on that long Tuesday at 4:30 in the morning, when everything came to a head. She may have told him she'd be gone when he got back from the gym, or for him to leave. That's what I think was the catalyst for her murder. Either he hit her in the mouth or worse, and either before he left, or on the way to the gym,he called Perry Noble to tell him what happened. Perry has a financial stake in Davey and a divorce would shatter Davey's image and all that money he gave would be wasted. I think PN set up the phony break in and murder to save face for Davey so the church could go on, and he could recover $$. Just the next day, Davey left for Sc to be with PN. I,m sure that's when they concocted the narrative about Amanda's death happened so the church could live. Davey stayed in SC a long time. Now PN is taking a break from his church because of alcohol. I bet arrranging all of this caused him to drink lots.

In my mind, this is a logical explanation for why now. There has to be a catalyst for these events to be set in motion. I think Davey would have continued on with the marriage if Amanda was willing. Something changed, and I think she was done.

The other option is that it was a random break in and Amanda was killed and Davey,s behavior afterwards is just that of a lucky psychopath

I don't believe the second option a all.

First option would have been a crime of passion. An argument, etc., setting things in motion, NOW.

A third option would be that Davey has had Amanda's murder in the planning stage for a long time. If it was planned, then it was poor planning because lots went wrong, and Davey is a suspect, if not in the mind of the IN police, at least in the minds of millions of people who know the story.

I guess there is a fourth option and that is that Amanda was supposed to die, and God planned the whole thing.

Yeah, ''tis all moo

Anonymous said...

One other option just came to me. Perhaps she felt she needed to leave Davey because Weston was in danger She would have put the well being of Weston above that man

I can't see anything except she was leaving, and he had to stop her. And that's why the murder happened when it did.

Anonymous said...

I want to clarify: after Amanda's death, Davey was on a national morning show. It was later that day that he went to SC.

Anonymous said...

PN must have thought his appearance on that morning show was awful and needed to school him. Right away.

CJ said...

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/brave-week-4-faith-is-a-muscle/

Davey in full out rock star mode:

51: 42 And and and maybe, maybe you get a situation where like, you know what? God’s got a big calling on my life. But that big calling really really intimidates me. And it might mean you gotta’ move across the country, it might mean you gotta' move to Africa, it might mean that you do something that’s so uncomfortable you can’t fathom doing it, and you could act in fear, and you could stay in comfort, or, what you could do, is you could say I trust in you God, instead of acting in fear, I’m gonna’ show up and I’m going to ACT, IN, FAITH! Come on!

*************
I expect to see Davey making a permanent move away from Resonate and Indianapolis in coming months. This will be presented to his church in dramatic fashion (can I be honest with you?) as a big calling from God that Davey initially rejects. After a season of wrestling (and coffees and convos with God in the shower) he will reluctantly submit to killing his Indy dream and "ACT, IN, FAITH."

Truth be told, he isn't getting the numbers or the respect he deserves (commensurate with Amanda's sacrifice) in Indianapolis.


Carnival Barker said...


When DB first trotted out Amanda's journals (like a week after she died) he mentioned that at the time of her death she had been dealing with an issue or going through something emotionally (I can't remember his exact terminology) and she had been writing about it in her journal. Of course, he skips right over what the issue was and reads aloud the excerpts about how wonderful her husband is.

Now I'm even more curious as to what that issue was and if it ultimately cost her her life. We know DB loves porn and we know that DB's sexuality is, um, questionable. I'm starting to wonder if maybe Amanda discovered DB watching gay porn.

Me2l said...

"the most is the people that tell him that he is inspiring them! What the heck? It worries me that so many people can be that naive."



This.

It's always seemed to be contradictory .... The two distinct and differing impressions of DB.

Reading here and other places presents a view of him as evil, showing obvious guilt in his wife's murder; however, those who are close to DB say something else entirely.

Confusing.

On another subject--DB's evolving appearance. From his pompadour to his ripped skinny jeans, his facial fair, and his buff body, googling anything regarding "gay fashion/style" produces many images with that precise look. In fact, they could be Davey's double.

The look seems closely tied to his performer and center stage, rock style image he so wants to project.

I've always found it odd that anyone in the grieving process would be cognizant enough to present such an obviously contrived image, but his appearance is highly important to him--not just for the sake of looking his best, but presenting his image onstage.

.....and he chose a specific style that is sexualized, which apparently appeals to him, probably for a variety of reasons.

Unrestrained Davey. Murderer? Not so sure, considering the support of those who know him, including Amanda's family. It's as if we here are discussing a completely different person than the one they describe. To put it in his words, "it's a conundrum."


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Nic said...

"CJ said,

"And and and maybe, maybe you get a situation where like, you know what? God’s got a big calling on my life. But that big calling really really intimidates me. And it might mean you gotta’ move across the country, it might mean you gotta' move to Africa, it might mean that you do something that’s so uncomfortable you can’t fathom doing it, and you could act in fear, and you could stay in comfort, or, what you could do, is you could say I trust in you God, instead of acting in fear, I’m gonna’ show up and I’m going to ACT, IN, FAITH! Come on!"


Let's say "you" is DB. DB is presented with "a call" and he has to make a decision based two choices. One is to act in fear and the other is to act in faith.

What has DB been called to do that intimidates him? Oh, yeah, show up to court in March.

If he acts in fear, he moves to another CONTINENT where [he] could stay in "comfort".

If he acts in faith, he's going to show up.

Is LE watching DB? Showing up to court means he sits in judgement without any representation. DB can't lawyer up because that would be an admission of needing defence for a *crime*.

This has essentially turned into a game of chicken.

jmo

Anonymous said...

Chicken. Triggering rejection. Eminem Lose Yourself. DB gives a lot away in his Perry Noble interviews.

Nic said...

"And and and maybe, maybe you get a situation where like, you know what? God’s got a big calling on my life. But that big calling really really intimidates me. And it might mean you gotta’ move across the country, it might mean you gotta' move to Africa, it might mean that you do something that’s so uncomfortable you can’t fathom doing it, and you could act in fear, and you could stay in comfort, or, what you could do, is you could say I trust in you God, instead of acting in fear, I’m gonna’ show up and I’m going to ACT, IN, FAITH! Come on!"

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Nic said...

Does anyone know what would happen if DB "flew" the US to another country to live? Could he be extradited/forced to testify at Taylor's, et al's hearings? Maybe he's telegraphing Julian Assange's situation about taking refuge where no one can get him. Would LE be able to stop him from getting on a plane? They didn't when he moved away from Indy. What about now, I wonder.

Me2l said...

yes, an out of state subpoena of a non-party witness ( which apparently is all DB is as far as investigators considering him in the crime) can be enforced.

Me2l said...

But Nic, he is not being outwardly investigated, so investigators would have to change that status in order to keep him where they want him.

CJ said...

Bingo3 said...
From Peter: Since his wife was killed "for the church", he has sought to fulfill this "mandate from god" (he is not delusional, hearing voices; he is deceptive). This is where he was naked in the shower hearing from the Almighty what a great and historical figure, he, Davey, is, and what great accomplishments await him.

There are times when I think is this guy just a nut? Is he delusional? Thanks Peter for pointing this out again. He is not delusional, he is not a special prophet who was lucky enough to lose his wife so he could be a huge historical figure in the history of Christianity. He is a big fat, narcissistic liar who had his wife murdered. Nothing else.
October 22, 2016 at 9:07 AM

***************
Bingo3, I agree that Davey isn't presenting as someone who is hallucinating.

From the outside looking in, we judge the statement that Amanda was sacrificed for the church as a delusional belief.

The question I keep circling is, does Davey actually believe it? Is this an instance of reacting to cognitive dissonance with magical thinking (he desperately needs to find meaning in Amanda's death).

Or is he running a con?



Bobcat said...

I think DB is surrounding himself with guardians and the Byars, because they serve as barriers to crime.

Amanda was actually safer at home while Meg lived with them.

Peter Hyatt said...

Although this is only guess work, Here is what I think we may see going forward...

Again, it is guess work based on human nature and what he has shown thus far:

Even if there is a pause, I expect the countenance to continue to become more effeminate and detail orientated. I think the mentality of "front and center" to continue to become more pronounced. I think he will increase up close facial camera shots, for the purpose of manipulation, more effeminate clothing, make up, etc.

I expect him, while he does this, to make statements on his own masculinity. This is projection in the manner he felt the need to persuade how he was heterosexual. Sensitivity to his clothing and appearance should show itself in his public messages.

I expect him to reach a point where he dramatically increases the level of exploitation of Amanda's death; a la movie deal. So much of the evangelical world lacks discernment that there will always be those who will want to put together a "made for TV movie" or privately funded. If he has failed to obtain this by now, he may hire a publicist.

Eventually, I expect substance abuse from the pressure. The pressure is internal and external and I don't think he will last as long as his mentor did. The few statements from his mentor show minimization and a covering of much greater failures than what he publishes.

With substance abuse, there is a ready-made excuse for any possible pornography. If caught in SSA, (porn or live) expect "civil rights movement" language to enter with "victim status claimed."

This is when the wheels begin to fall off.

Remember, the narcissist must seek to satisfy self. Take sex drive and couple it with others SSA and it becomes almost impossible to hide. This is just a guess, too, but I don't think he has risked actual homosexual activity: the other male would be under far too great temptation to go public. This is a very smart sociopathic-like man with talent. I know people will say "yes, but others smarter than him do really stupid easily caught things like Disgraced Former Representative Anthony Wiener..."

Agreed.

I am looking within a time table of events.

When substance abuse enters to numb the guilt and stress, then we have the lowered resistance.

One can only imagine the perversion under his mentor's claims. Having a few too many drinks would not have caused him to lose his millionaire job.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

By the way,

In his mentor's public Facebook post to the world telling us why he lost his million dollar job, his priority shows that he was fired for spending too much time alone.

Analysis of the "mea culpa" suggests something else.

Peter

Nic said...

Eventually, I expect substance abuse from the pressure. The pressure is internal and external and I don't think he will last as long as his mentor did.

I think in this case, it starts with steroids (body building). DB's natural physique is much slighter than the way he is presenting today. IMO given the amount of time he dedicates to working out, especially now and the amount of bulk he has increased in such a short amount of time, he is "juicing". Then it moves into "pain management"/narcotics to help work through the pain from injuries from working out too aggressively, incorrectly, etc. It's the addiction to narcotics that would be a real issue. ( For some reason, DB doesn't strike me as a drinker.) I just did a quick google on steroid cost. Body builders can pay between $8k to $15k for a 16 week cycle and professionals can pay up to $20k for a 16 week cycle. *IF* DB was juicing before Amanda died/he came into insurance money, he could actually have been selling steroids to pay for his own personal use, and/or he could have been selling steroids to help cover the monthly deficit. If true it could be part of their fighting (drug use).

CJ said...

Peter Hyatt said...
By the way,

In his mentor's public Facebook post to the world telling us why he lost his million dollar job, his priority shows that he was fired for spending too much time alone.

Analysis of the "mea culpa" suggests something else.

Peter

*********
There's a good post at The Wartburg Watch:

http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/10/19/is-perry-noble-an-alcoholic-a-continuing-discussion-of-alcoholism-and-the-church/

Bobcat said...

Speculation:
As Amanda was willing to "try" as opposed to letting her marriage get worse and worse, and Davey said "anything goes" in the bedroom...Perhaps he convinced her to role play "slave girl"
and she allowed him to bind her.

Davey then went to put Mel in a room and close Weston's door so they wouldn't be bothered, and while he was upstairs on the balcony, Larry and Jalen walked in.

8/27/2016 Speaking to Cypress Church with Ken Murphy:
19:22 DB: We’re gonna publish uh, a collection of Amanda’s journals. ‘Cause she was a journaler. Every morning, that’s how she, communed with God. That’s what she did her quiet time, she read the bible, and then she like wrote out her prayers. And every one of her, journal entries it seems like take the for- take the same format. It’s… "God, here’s what I’m feeling. I’m mad about this. I’m frustrated with this. I’m angry at this person…” I’m like, and she’s like, like vomiting all of her emotions on this, and then there’s always a turn, where she goes… “but, I know your word says this. Help my emotions not to drive my decisions, but help your promises drive my decisions.”
Right.
…help your truth be the thing that, that, that my life is, is staked on, on, and so, so I think, I think what the enemy loves to try to do, in your life, when it comes to grief… One, he tries to get you to not grieve, first of all.
Right?
Like you, the whole like, push, just push through the pain.
Right.
Don’t feel it, don’t, just push it away, shove it away, I’m not (unintelligible) be all calloused to the emotional side of what’s going on in your life, through a painful situation. And that’s not healthy at all. Um, because, you know, in a, in a little bit we’ll talk about why that’s not healthy but, but the, the other thing is that he tries to… So he tries to get you to not deal with it or he tries to get you to wallow in it. He tries to, because the enemy’s ploy for your life, is to bind you, with chains; is to make you a slave to something, right. Colossians 3 (talks about Israelites set free from slavery) The enemy can’t steal your salvation, but he can steal your joy, by causing you to wrestle with all the things from your old, self.
Right,
or to, trick you with all these little lies that he can plant in your head. He can’t, he can’t read your thoughts but he can plant thoughts.
Right.
He’s gonna try to get these thoughts and these half-truths or these lies in your head, to get you to get stuck or bound in chains of lies so you’re not productive anymore.
Right,
and so, so that’s the, that’s the trick. I think that’s the trick with guilt. I think that’s also the trick with, um, like, he can’t, he can’t steal your calling?"

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/08/8282016-cypress-church-with-stepuncle.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

Peter, Very interesting prediction on what you believe may happen with Davey. I agree with you also that despite Davey's new gay image that he has not yet engaged in that sort of activity. I feel even the overcompensation where he insists he was so sex-crazed he couldnt wait till after dinner reveals also his lack of sexual drive/behavior including towards men (at least outside of his viewing porn). I think he is in love with himself and attracted to himself only. I just get that vibe.

Geoffrey said...

Nic, Good point. I believe he was selling drugs.

Bobcat said...

And the "Would she still have said yes?" blog...

She chose obedience, Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/would-she-have-still-said-yes

Anonymous said...

"What Propels Sexual Homicide Offenders?"

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5198&context=etd

Daniel G. said...

Same sex attraction

Peter Hyatt said...

Read Perry Nobles' public "mea culpa" for more insight into Davey Blackburn's struggle and why alcohol loosens the restrictions.

Noble reveals quite a bit of personal information via advanced analysis; the least of it being that his counselor DID NOT want him posting it.

Me2l said...

Perry Noble shows much arrogance in his writing, as evidenced by his unwillingness to refer to himself as an alcoholic. It's crucial in his treatment and recovery.

Anonymous said...

for Jasmine, what are the things that make you say deep depression in her handwriting? why do you say sorry folks? what other places do you post that we know you are a hand written analyst? thank you.

Anonymous said...

Were these part of a role play? Hero rescues tied-up damsel in distress?

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12241791_10207678163613879_6700304479205732730_n.jpg?oh=f78e4b3273af474b9585f93b41092e6a&oe=589EC98A

It's ok if things got splattered with blood and DNA, because it's a throwaway costume to be replaced by gym clothes.

lynda said...

I may have missed where this was discussed and analyzed? Please, someone with more knowledge than I, teach me what SA has to say about the following?
Davey said,
"Many Godly People Have Died Violent Deaths
It took me three months after Amanda was killed before I could go back into my house. I couldn’t bring myself to face the scene where I found her. I couldn’t muster up the courage to willingly walk back into those horrific memories. I write more about why I eventually decided to return to the house in this post. But I want you to know something that happened while I was in the house. I want you to see how, if you’ll let it, God’s Word can direct you in truth to comfort your unknowns.
At one point the morning I returned to the house, I walked up the stairs that led to Weston’s room on the second floor. Our living room had an open balcony just outside the nursery that overlooked the living room. The resulting vaulted ceilings in the living room drastically opened-up the floorpan, and from the balcony I had an areal view of the whole scene. Almost as if I were having an out of body experience, my mind began imagining what everything looked like the morning I found her, me crouched by her side, a lamp turned over near her feet and shattered over the ground, the ladder she had propped against the wall for decoration now laying beside her body. I remembered how that morning Weston’s door was still shut. I remembered sitting downstairs on the floor of our living room pleading with Amanda to stay with me as she struggled for every breath. I remembered I could hear Weston's soft coos from his room upstairs. I remembered looking up at the balcony just above me. Now, I stood there on that balcony just outside of Weston’s bedroom and amidst all the traumatic memories that flooded my mind, I felt the Lord whisper to my heart, “I was standing here the whole time, Davey. And she knew it . . . She saw me.”In that moment I imagined, somewhat involuntarily, her kneeling on the floor and looking up to see her Savior standing in the spot where I now stood, clothed in radiance and splendor, arms open to receive her homecoming. As tears began to well up in my eyes, my thoughts almost immediately redirected to Stephen in the Bible, the first Christian martyr"
_________________________

These are my concerns:

He entitles the paragraph that "MANY" Godly people have died violent deaths.
This is a minimization of her MURDER, and also conveying that there was nothing "unique" or "special" about Amanda's murder because, after all, a lot of people die the way she did. She's not so special you know. I imagine Davey saying in his head "Good God people..quit talking about Amanda so much and how she died! She's dead! A lot more people died worse deaths than her! She's not unique at ALL.

The second paragraph is just filled with SO many different stories than the ones he has already told that it boggles the mind! Then he brings into the story that he "like" is having a supernatural experience, an out of body, after he ascends the staircase and is "looking down" at how things unfolded. the ladder is now right next to her, not turned over in the living room, the lamp is broken at her feet now, he is crouched over her begging her not to leave..seriously?? I haven't looked back but I seem to recall he is now stating things in direct contradiction of the PC affidavit stating where the ladder and lamp were! Weren't they in the living room area? So it appeared that there was a struggle in the LR? Amanda was found on the entryway floor/hallway NOT in the LR. The LR had a stepdown. She was NOT DOWN in the LR. How did the lamp and ladder know appear "at her feet and next to her body?" How has it gone from him thinking that something had gone wrong with the pregnancy to him crouching over her begging her not to leave??

lynda said...

continued...

He didn't even think it was all that serious because LE had to call the EMT's. DAVEY DID NOT..nor did he convey that there was a critical life and death situation at his house to the 911 operator because she just sent the law..not medical help. Now he remembers Weston's "cooing". He's way down on the floor in the downstairs, WEston is behind a shut door upstairs and he is "cooing". I call MAJOR BULLSHIT on that. How stupid does he think people are?

He remembers looking up at the balcony, but now he is standing on the balcony RIGHT WHERE GOD HAS WHISPERED TO HIM that HE was standing to observe Amanda being murdered which led to his "somewhat" involuntary imagining Amanda looking up from that spot and seeing the resplendent Lord, radiant, waiting for her with open arms. Except now DAVEY is standing in the place GOD was, DAVEY is now looking down on where Amanda was murdered, DAVEY is now who Amanda would see as she "looked up" DAVEY IS THE SAVIOR. Amanda is "looking up" meaning she is in a position of subjection..she is at "his" mercy, KNEELING on the floor, looking up. I mean, is it just me or has Davey now equated himself with having either a delusion that he is equal with God and is "standing in" for him on the balcony, or that he has replaced God? And Why did this image come into his mind? There is no evidence that Amanda kneeled anywhere. She was found facedown, sprawled on the floor. The more likely occurrence was that as she was trying to get away, she fell because of her injuries and then was shot in the back of the head.Then Davey brings up martyrdom again. That dog won't hunt Davey...Amanda was not a martyr.

Davey is publishing her journals. He is a pig for doing so. He has stated Amanda hated him trying to read them but yet he is now publishing them for a worldwide audience. He is not only publishing her journals, he is writing a book himself as he has displayed and told us about on Instagram. Davey is a world traveler now..spends an inordinate amount of time at the ocean, golfing, playing, etc. Davey lives in a big, brand new house that is 3 times as large as his old one, with a swimming pool and new car in the garage.

I agree that drug use/alcohol abuse will come next. He has bulked up but really shows no telltale signs of consistent steroid use. He might have used them here and there but not consistently yet I think. I think if Davey can't get some network to produce his "movie" he will self produce. He may even star as himself, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

I do not believe Davey is disguising himself at all. I agree that Davey wants to be SEEN AT ALL TIMES. He is to much of a narcissist to want anything but that. He is changing his appearance because he can..Amanda no longer hinders him.

It still sickens me to think her parents and sister went on stage with him, that they appear not to know what he is.

lynda said...

OT

Peter..the BF in the Zuzu's disappearance has lawyered up and has not spoken to police or made any public statement.

Amaya5777 said...

Geoffrey, Hi! Good day! Greetings! I wish I knew how to say that in Nordic languages, because I know that's your specialty (blushes) :)
I really feel like a changed person from having spoken to you in terms of wow I had never looked at the case from that angle of oh shit I was seen time to disguise myself. Needless to say so much to talk about with you.
Geoffrey, one quick question regarding the columns, is it OK if I utilized the entire width of the paper and did not leave margins? For some reason I believe if I follow your instructions to the T, I will learn more about the case and about crime-solving in general. Let me know (if you have time)!

Nic said...

Bumping this from the last thread:

Bingo3 said
It sounds like the church was on life-support with little to no membership but he was going to relaunch it and fill those 900 seats. Davey really should have been working another full-time job. Maybe things would have not have gotten so desperate. Think about it, he talks about knowing no one there but he is doing commercials and mailers. He is renting a gym, videoing the sermons, using a very complex and most likely expensive website but doesn't really have much of a core membership. He has a car on stage to demonstrate how cars can't function with flat tires. So unnecessary. Psychologically, this guy fascinates me. He was just not going to fail. He probably should have just chalked it up as a learning experience and gotten out of Indy. But that would mean being under someone again, not getting to be the center of attention. He couldn't go back to Newspring. They passed him up for a promotion. Most churches wouldn't hire him because he has never been to seminary. He has never worked a real job. I don't even know how they were surviving. It really makes you wonder where the money was coming from?!

Oct 10 @ 10:35


Adding to what Bingo3 said, and in context of supplementing his income "p/t" at the gym,: a mortgage, family needs, bills, gas, upkeep, insurance (x 2cars, house and interestingly, he is paying life insurance premiums on a healthy, young wife), gym membership.

If he was not filling the auditorium, he was not generating income. This was four years and at least two launches later into Indy and I am certain when I say, there wouldn't be much left of the $100k investment he was handed to plant a church - and pay back with interest.

I haven't watched a lot of DB's productions from back then but I don't recall there being much "panning" of the audience like there is when he is speaking in front of other successful pastors' congregations.

jmo

Nic said...

Bobcat said:
8/27/2016 Speaking to Cypress Church with Ken Murphy:
19:22 DB: We’re gonna publish uh, a collection of Amanda’s journals. ‘Cause she was a journaler. Every morning, that’s how she, communed with God.


If I recall, the journal entries that were made public were written upon reflection to her day and in gratitude.

Now I have to go digging for the supposed last journal entry "she" wrote to see if it was written with hindsight or foresight.

Oh and I'm wondering if the reason DB found her journal/s such a page turner was because he was reading to see how many times she mentioned him. I can't imagine why he would otherwise be interested when he didn't agree with anything she said, let alone give her the time of day when she was alive. He never even "liked" or commented on the references she made about him on her Instagram account. He probably didn't even read it. If he did, then I missed it it was so infrequent.

jmo

Geoffrey said...

Maya, You are doing a wonderful job, and it sounds like you've set up the worksheet perfectly. Please share your written work later on tonight. I look forward to reading it. I cant engage further right now; Im actually teaching handwriting analysis right now (one of the many things I dabble in ).

lynda said...

Nic..

We also know that Amanda was generating money with her side work of refinishing and selling furniture. It seemed to be doing ok too. If you looked at her FB posts..she actually sold quite a bit so that added to their income. She was also a frugal shopper, coupon user, garage sale goer which also saved money. I don't think they had a huge amount of money but with what Perry was subsidizing and Amanda's side work..they were doing okay I imagine.

Anonymous said...

How is Davey doing so well now?

Bobcat said...

Nic,

No need to go digging.

I added her supposed last journal entry to the timeline:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html?m=1

There also is a blog entry regarding Davey possibly publishing her private journals. Scroll down to comments from the interview he did one week after her murder. He tells about what she often journaled about.

"She would get up every morning, she would read the bible, and she would journal, and she would just kind of journal on her thoughts and her prayers. (Deep breath) And uh, um, this is what, this is what her last entry was, it was um, (reads private journal entry)...
Um, so that was her last one, and then, last night I just sat, and like, read a bunch of em. She was always mad about me reading her journal, because she would always like, pray things about me (laughs). She’d be like, “Lord, please show Davey this” you know like, and, it’s crazy, the Lord would show me, you know, with … but, um, you know she was never pushy. She was always, she was a praying wife, and um, supporting me so much and everything (deep breath) but, um, people have asked a lot like how are we getting through this, like how do we, um. It doesn’t feel like strength to us but I guess it looks like strength to the world. It feels like complete despair and weakness to us, um, but in the midst of that hope, um, hope that god’s gonna take this situation and even though it’s, it’s trash he’s gonna turn it into treasure…


http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/07/710206-forindy-week-one-partial.html?m=1

Bobcat said...

"She was always mad about me reading her journal, because she would always like, pray things about me (laughs). She’d be like, “Lord, please show Davey this” you know like, and, it’s crazy, the Lord would show me"

This is quite different than his current blogging and preaching. It's certainly not crazy for the Lord to talk to Davey in the shower, whisper to his heart, give him truths, and show him things alllll the time!

Anonymous said...

I have a question off topic: Is it wrong for me to expect a man to get to know me before messaging me suggestive things? This doesnt appeal to me. I am 50, attractive and divorced after 30 years of marriage. Is this the new norm of dating that men act like this? I have been out of "the game" for so long. I am very conservative and I find this very offensive, and I simply dont respond to these messages which usually come past 1 am...um, hello Im already asleep at that point, in my pajamas, no make-up, why would I respond? It is like a racoon banging around at night trying to get into your garbage cans? I figured this would send the message "Go away!" but instead it makes these sorts keep trying like sending irritated msgs like "Gawd when do I get to see you?" I really need to understand is this the new normal or is this a warning sign of danger?

Anonymous said...

My friend told me to respond and write "You and I seem to be on very different schedules; how about we find a time to meet that works for both of us? How about never?" LMFAO! Still I am concerned is this the new norm or possible danger signal?

Nic said...

Thanks Bobcat, Yes, I was remembering her journaling style wrong.
*******

She was always mad about me reading her journal, because she would always like, pray things about me (laughs)

So he "sees" her praying journals' topic as all about him? IMO, if her journals are any reflection of what he has shared, they were about Amanda's life and overcoming her struggles and her expression of her love for *Jesus*, and her gratitude. If I recall correctly, DB was mentioned in the third person, i.e., "Davey said..."

Anonymous said...

Nic, what is your point?

This is how I see what you just wrote: "That's right Ananda wrote about God in her journals and Davey was written about in 3rd person..."

Well gollg gee, color me enlightened! Really?! Amanda wrote about God in her journals? You dont say!

Anonymous said...

How about Bobcat swings into town and tells us all about how God talked to Davey in the shower--a fact that has been pointed out ad nauseum, yet I'd love to hear it again!!!

Anonymous said...

You people have made no progress at all!

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lynda said:
the ladder is now right next to her, not turned over in the living room, the lamp is broken at her feet now, he is crouched over her begging her not to leave..seriously?? I haven't looked back but I seem to recall he is now stating things in direct contradiction of the PC affidavit stating where the ladder and lamp were! Weren't they in the living room area? So it appeared that there was a struggle in the LR?


In the APC it says Amanda was found laying face down on the living room floor. It also describes the lamp and ladder the same way. A bullet was "later" found underneath the stair landing (they only recovered two bullets from Amanda during the autopsy, so LE had to go back and locate the third bullet). That was the bullet from the upper back wound, that traveled downwards, through and through. So she had taken that shot on the landing before being dragged onto the living room floor, (sexually assaulted?) and then executed. This is my assumption based on what is reported in the APC.

Anonymous said...

Nic, wonderful. What you just said has been stated dozens of times. Maybe go take a nap and come back later.

Gwendolyn said...

When DAvey went to the gym, he worked out and then got a phone call and he came home and talked on the phone in the driveway for 15 minutes. Did anyone know that? Well YOU DO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nic said...

Anonymous said...
Nic, what is your point?


My point is that DB thinks her journaling was about him.

Anonymous said...

Amanda was a loving wife and DAvey was an undercover gay man looking for love in all the wrong places. He read her journal and he did all kinds of bad stuff.

(WAsn't that helpful info? ARen't you guys glad I stopped by?)

Anonymous said...

NIc, that's not what he is saying. He is saying that she would write things about him in the form of a prayer like "please help Davey do blah blah blah". Do you find that inconceivable? What is so crazy about her doing that? She has faith in a Creator and her husband is jumping around in tights so she prays for him in the journals.

Anonymous said...

Was information ever released about Davey having a life insurance policy on Amanda? Money could have been Davey's motivator to have Amanda killed.

Maybe Perry was putting pressure on Davey to pay back the 100K, and Davey seen Amanda's death as the answer. Perhaps Perry now realizes this and it adds to his guilt, causing him to drink?

Geoffrey said...

Would you accept my help with this case? I think I can get you guys on the right track. Would you like to hear more?

Anonymous said...

Sure, Geoffrey, fill us in. We are so derailed.

Geoffrey said...

Well, I think you're all not seeing the forest through the trees. You have become distracted by peripheral issues. You've taken your eyes off the ball. Would you like to hear more?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Appearance-wise, in many photos of Davey pre-Amanda's murder, he's got ruddy facial skin and extensive freckling (also noticeable reddish tint to his brown hair). Photos from his childhood and early college baseball days show a freckle-faced boy across the cheekbones and bridge of nose.

With his numerous vacations and golf outings, he "should" be noticeably freckled (sun block or not). Either he's regularly wearing quite a bit of makeup or he's doing pricey laser peels/skin treatments.

GEoffrey said...

Fools, he is wearing make-up. Evidently you're not a woman who wears make-up. Do you see how quickly I see into a situation, identifying you as a non-makeup wearing individual? Would you like to hear more?

Geoffrey said...

Guess my favorite color and I'll tell you more.

Maya5777 said...

Hi Geoffrey! Is it turquoise?

Geoffrey said...

Good guess Maya, although not correct. Let's give the others a chance to guess shall we?

Geoffrey said...

I'm waiting......

Geoffrey said...

Such pretense. None can guess my favorite color...such a simple concrete thing...such a simple guess...the risks so low, yet they think they can solve this case. They think they can unwind a veritable web of deceit and find out "what really happened". They have much to learn about crime-solving. Much to learn. I'm appalled with the performance of this group.

dnd said...

Geoffrey, is your favorite color blue? Even though your last post is condescending, I will chalk it up as frustration. I would like to hear what crime solving you have done in relation to this case, whether or not I guessed your favorite color. What do you know that the rest of us aren't getting?

Anonymous said...

Peter, have you seen this latest accusation against Trump? It has been scripted. She is reading a script which has been written for her!!!. And please excuse me for saying this on your blog, but she begins the script by saying she worked for "Wicked Pictures" (an adult film company) when she met Trump, then says Trump "kissed her without her permission" (scripted by Hillary Clinton) and then offers her $10,000 to spend the night with him. HOw can HIllary not see how farcical this is?!?! This is like an SNL skit!!! This is so ridiculous! Why would she care even if it happened?!?! That is actually a great deal if that was her profession!!! But it is scripted Peter I am so disturbed by this what Hillary had done!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xhbKO4j84

Anonymous said...

I can't believe what Hillary is doing!!!! She is having scripts written for these people. And they are getting more and more poorly written! I actually feel bad for Donald Trump. These people are lying!!!! Is Assange going to release info to destroy her campaign??? I hope and pray he does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

God in heaven please don't Hillary Clinton become our president! Please help Donald Trump win over Crooked HIllary! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geoffrey said...

dnd, Good guess that is my favorite summer color. But my favorite color is orange. I am sorry I was so hard on everyone. I am too depressed to talk right now.

dnd said...

I am sorry to hear that, Geoffrey. I hope you feel better soon. I really would like to hear what you were going to say and/ or teach us.

Bobcat said...

Kensington Church 10/8/2016

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/10/1082016-kensington-church-manup-retreat.html

More inconsistencies. Sitting, standing, laying. NTP that Weston was in his crib, untouched and unharmed.

Weston may have been up and out of his crib, "sitting" there.

Aprilrain71 said...

Do a revival across the hospital and um, and now what I’m beginning to realize is on this side of things is that god did do a miracle. He took her home, and she’s in no pain anymore. She has no more tears. She has no more sorrow, um.

She has no more disgrace that was surrounding that whole circumstance, and now god’s sweeping a revival across our city, across our state, because of her story.


Huh??? What disgrace is he talking about? There's nothing shameful in being murdered. This makes no sense.

Anonymous said...

Is there call record of AB calling DB during the home invasion?

Bingo3 said...

Nic, yes, it has bothered me how they were able to even keep running the church. They had failed but DB insisted they get a bigger venue, put out commercials (so expensive) send out mailers (expensive)hire a staff, etc. They had no members but he was going to have a church! Just like he was going to have two services even though they didn't need them. How were they paying for it all before Amanda's death. Someone earlier talked about Perry's stipend. Perry was no longer supporting the church. He paid DB salary for 2 years and that was it. Amanda had a little business but doubtful that brought in enough to cover the church costs. It most likely paid for food and diapers. It does make you wonder what DB "fell into" especially considering his change in appearance leading up to AB's death. He buffed up a ton between Feb 2015-Nov 2015. What was he involved in?

Peter was talking about DB's SSA and how he had most likely not acted out on them but that he will get more brazen in his behavior. I tend to think that way also. I would not be surprised if he is not engaging in some online activity. The way he dresses seems to be to attract the male. I also agree that it won't take as long as it Perry to fall apart. Perry was at least good at what he did. DB is a competitive person who wants to win at all costs but is terrible at his chosen profession. That is recipe for disaster as we already know. AB met her demise because of this.

Nic said...

Bumping this from the other thread:

foolsfeedonfolly said:

In Davey's narrative, Weston's door was "still shut", so he didn't open it to check and make sure he was alive??? A shut door automatically signaled Weston was alright? What parent, finding your mostly-nude pregnant wife bleeding profusely and obviously attacked, wouldn't open the door to check your toddler? Note how much later the "coo"-ing came in Davey's story.


From upthread:

Anonymous said:
So did Weston hear something and wake up earlier than 8am -

He did go on about how great it was that Amanda died when she did because Weston had (paraphrasing) no memory of her/wouldn't miss her. Purely speculation on my part, maybe Weston did wake up and he climbed out of his crib.

Peter Hyatt said...
Speculation itself can be helpful.
Nic said...
I think Weston woke up and climbed out of his crib. It speaks to why DB references watching Amanda fighting for her life from the balcony. Weston was the reason he was up there.

lynda said...
He remembers looking up at the balcony, but now he is standing on the balcony RIGHT WHERE GOD HAS WHISPERED TO HIM that HE was standing to observe Amanda being murdered which led to his "somewhat" involuntary imagining Amanda looking up from that spot and seeing the resplendent Lord, radiant, waiting for her with open arms.



Weston woke up, it's why his story suddenly switches to him being upstairs on the balcony. Someone from the earlier thread (I couldn't find your post) enquired how many parents would shut their 15 month old in their bedroom when they slept on different floors. None; however, if DB did not want Weston to get out of his room he would. The door knob would be too high for him to reach to turn to open.

The cooing DB refers to is probably crying.

jmo

Bingo3 said...

AprilRain, agreed! What is this disgrace that he is talking about?

https://www.facebook.com/kensingtonchurch/videos/10154556463467463/

"She has no more disgrace that was surrounding that whole circumstance, and now god’s sweeping a revival across our city, across our state, because of her story."

It is best that she died because she was disgraced in some way? Does he mean the strip down? We still don't have sexual assault listed as charges? Davey tells us over and over for so many different reasons, that it is best that she died. Rationalize much, DB?

From same video:

"I got in front of national news and I told people I’m choosing to forgive, but honestly I was in this massive realm of shock. I had never seen these guys faces."

So now he is explaining (as a result of the criticism) about why he was so quick to forgive the killers the day after he buried his wife while smiling on national tv. He was smiling and forgiving because you know, he was in such shock. And now he is also saying he "got" in front of national news instead of cameras "being shoved" in his face. HA! That was laughable when he said that! He went from studio to studio talking and smiling with his perfectly gelled hair and carefully planned out wardrobe. I will never forget the confused look on George S face!

Nic said...
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Nic said...

Bingo3 said,
DB is a competitive person who wants to win at all costs but is terrible at his chosen profession. That is recipe for disaster as we already know. AB met her demise because of this.


DB is a defective product. *He* does not sell.

SSA - I agree he is conflicted. I think all of his talk before Amanda died, especially the point he made about (paraphrasing) marriage taking care of temptation and that it doesn't, and in reference to the gym and working out and being tempted by what was in front of him was actually in reference to SSA. Cross fit is new within the last year. That he pushes it so much makes me wonder if he is being endorsed by them. But prior to this, he workout at a conventional gym at 6am, in the free weight part of it where it would be male dominated. If he was selling drugs (steroids) that is also where his market would be. The time of day would make it very quiet, only serious gym rats would be on site and any commerce could be conducted "away" from camera (in the change/shower area where there would be none. In one "sermon" he also talks about himself "building up" guys. To me, that is reference to body building/being an enabler.

jmo

Nic said...

dis·grace
disˈɡrās/
noun
1.
loss of reputation or respect, especially as the result of a dishonorable action.
"he left the army in disgrace"
synonyms: dishonor, shame, discredit, ignominy, degradation, disrepute, ill repute, infamy, scandal, stigma, opprobrium, obloquy, condemnation, vilification, contempt, disrespect; More
antonyms: honor
a person or thing regarded as shameful and unacceptable.
"he's a disgrace to the legal profession"
synonyms: scandal, outrage; More
verb
verb: disgrace; 3rd person present: disgraces; past tense: disgraced; past participle: disgraced; gerund or present participle: disgracing
1.
bring shame or discredit on (someone or something).
"you have disgraced the family name"
synonyms: bring shame on, shame, dishonor, discredit, bring into disrepute, degrade, debase, defame, stigmatize, taint, sully, tarnish, besmirch, stain, blacken, drag through the mud/mire
"you have disgraced the family name"
___________

Taking into consideration the verb definition, her action would inflict disgrace upon him/the family name and in *his* opinion to her father and his church. He might be right about that, we'll never know. Maybe, too, DB equated the fallout of Amanda walking out on him in the same vein as what he went through when he was a teenager and they had to move away. He refers to an "enemy" taking everything away from him except there was one thing the enemy couldn't take (that was between DB and God). Plus he would lose everything if she divorced him because her "agenda"/focus would then become supporting his (ex) wife and two children. His church never germinated. It still hasn't but because of his speaking engagements he can perpetuate a false narrative and count on pity pennies from exploiting Amanda's murder (people "donating"/buy his stuff).

Essentially she had become the enemy.

This is my opinion and impression based on public statements made by D. Blackburn.


Geoffrey said...

"She had no more disgrace that was surrounding that whole circumstance"....He means NOW she is no longer "disgraced". He did act on his gay urges and this "disgraced" her.
There is something more to this "disgrace" also, and it relates to "When you get that call from the doctor"..,."When you get that bill"....Since I dont sense Davey to be "on the prowl for men" (I think his sexual attraction is towards himself)....is there any chance the working out and tanning and making himself look like the picture of health is an overcompensation for possibly having HIV? Is this the "disgrace"? Was he afraid he gave it to Amanda and possibly to the baby?

Me2l said...

I think he's talking about her condition...."immodestly" exposed and violated-----in his mind, "disgraced."

Geoffrey said...

Then why does he say the "disgrace" was surrounding the "situation"? The "disgrace" was bigger than the situation and caused the situation imo.
Also...the linguistic connection to "suspicious circumstances surrounding the situation".
It makes me think the "disgrace" is what led to the situation (murder).

lynda said...

Davey said

" I had never seen these guys faces."

Sooooo...has he heard their voices? Like over a phone? Why the definitive "faces"? Why not, I have never seen or heard of these men before?

Davey doesn't have HIV for Gods sake. Talk about going off the rails.

Davey is the disgrace!

The fact that Alonzo still is walking around, not facing ANY charges, etc. is hopefully indicative that LE is still working this case. If they are not...they truly are the Keystone Kops cuz Bull should have been charged with SOMETHING. At the very least..he did not report a murder, received stolen property, was hiding a gun, he TOLD the 2 to go back and pick up the murdering Taylor, the list goes on and on

Bobcat said...

Speculation:

Perhaps someone was skyping the attack (from the balcony) to DB, so he could "see" what was happening, so he knew "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that Amanda did what she had to do; but the thugs were bootied, gloved and masked, so he didn't see the faces of "these guys".

LT dropped off a face mask in the Guion neighborhood on 11/10/2015. He also wore a face mask in the rape a week before Amanda's attack.

I also think DB has a strong NTP and things stated in the negative from him are likely the opposite.

Me2l said...

" Geoffrey said...
Then why does he say the "disgrace" was surrounding the "situation"? The "disgrace" was bigger than the situation and caused the situation imo.
Also...the linguistic connection to "suspicious circumstances surrounding the situation".
It makes me think the "disgrace" is what led to the situation (murder).

October 23, 2016 at 2:38 PM"



Your linguistic connection is a stretch and a bit of over-analyzation, applying self-perspective.

In the workings of db's mind, she was disgraced by her humiliation of posture and treatment in her manner of death. After all, women who are sexually assaulted/raped are often seen this way by society.

Me2l said...

"Anonymous said...
Yeah whatever Me2l/Lynda/Bobcat and all your other names. You are liar user golddigger. Im never coming on here again BECAUSE YOU ARE LIAR.
October 23, 2016 at 3:27 PM"





LOL. Whatever, HISG. I rarely agree with either Lynda or Bobcat, and we are not each other. Many people don't feel the need to masquerade as others, using multiple identities the way you do.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Bobcat said...

"She has no more disgrace that was surrounding that whole circumstance"

It was a sexual homicide. High ranking IMPD says she was sexually assaulted, yet none of the thugs charged with murder have been charged with sex assault or rape.

My opinion is that DB dishonored his wife, Amanda, in a manner that left evidence of sexual assault. Whether this was simple exposure or more invasive has not been released by LE.

Me2l said...

"Bobcat said...
"She has no more disgrace that was surrounding that whole circumstance"

It was a sexual homicide. High ranking IMPD says she was sexually assaulted, yet none of the thugs charged with murder have been charged with sex assault or rape.

My opinion is that DB dishonored his wife, Amanda, in a manner that left evidence of sexual assault. Whether this was simple exposure or more invasive has not been released by LE.
October 23, 2016 at 3:43 PM






That's right, including Davey, so there are no doubt many things unavailable to the public....unavailable for analyzation.

Hey Jude said...

You're including DB with the thugs, Me21?

Peter Hyatt said...

Almost complete
Perry Noble analysis

Bobcat said...

HJ @ 4:25,

Yes, with no doubt.

Bobcat said...

Me2l,

The more your INCLUDED (with the thugs) DB talks, the more becomes available for analysis.

Hopefully he is GOOD enough to outsmart LE.

The more your language CONNECTS you to DB, EVEN MORE BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR ANALYSIS.

Nic said...

Disgrace is either a loss of reputation or bringing shame or guilt.

Nothing about being found with her panties off is a "disgrace". No one would say to her "you're a disgrace". He's not talking about the way she was found.

They were not talking. They were in a big fight. Everything had come to a head: they were bankrupt, she was pregnant, (IMO) he was dealing drugs at the gym to keep them afloat, he was refusing to let the church "die", she refused to abort their baby, she would not submit to his "wants', they were at an impasse. DB even uses the word divorce, so it could not have come from a vacuum. She had zero voice, zero say and she was being treated like chattel. That much was in the open! Leaving him which, in the eyes of the church community, would have been "disgraceful", or at least to DB it would have been. He would have heavily judged her for leaving him and divorcing him.

jmo

Me2l said...
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Me2l said...

of course it was not disgraceful. No one in their right mind would think that.

I said DAVEY thought that. He's not in his right mind.


Bobcat....am I understanding you're saying I'm connected sonehow to DB?

Lol

I am not. It shows your SA skills are severely lacking if that's what you think. If you were proven to be wrong, wouldn't that call into question your ability to apply SA? Foolish of you.

Peter could easily confirm that I am not through my location and IP, ISP.

BTW, feel free to SA me. I welcome it. It would be ultimate proof of your deficiencies.

Yes, HJ, with Peter's analysis conclusion of guilty knowledge, there is a high likelihood DB is complicit with the thugs.

Concerned said...

Me2l at 6:21

You said "I said DAVEY thought that. He's not in his right mind."
So you disagree with Peter whose Statement Analysis
of Davey Blackburn does not indicate mental illness?

Peter seems to be saying Davey is in his right mind, just lying.

Me2l said...

Concerned,

Well, lol, I guess I have disagreed with Peter before, and if I did, I would say I did, because i do think for myself, but it would not be in an area of his expertise.

As I recall, Peter has referred to Davey's narcissistic personality disorder in several of his writings. NPD is a mental disorder.

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? That sounds totally made up.

Me2l said...

"Anonymous said...
What are you talking about? That sounds totally made up.

October 23, 2016 at 8:43 PM"






HAHA

It's just HISG flying around here under many various screen names. She's mad because I disagreed with her when she was in Geoffrey mode.

Hey Jude said...

Me21 - you do seem concerned about the existence of evidence of which the public does not have knowledge. It has been stated that some details about the crime/scene have not been made public - that's not to say the withheld information won't come out at the trial. If some of that relates to the sexual assault, and to whose DNA is or is not connected to Amanda being violated that night, it will be sure to come up. If there is not DNA connecting the three to the sexual assault, which seems unlikely, as sexual assault it is not amongst the charges, there remains the fact that Amanda was sexually assaulted by someone.

It also seems pretty evident Davey has knowledge the crime scene was staged around Amanda - in a burglary gone wrong, burglars would flee rather than hang around to rearrange the furniture.

---

Also found it interesting that in an early sermon Davey indicates that rather than disapproving of someone smoking, he'd more likely want to ask them for a smoke, so he could have cadged the Swisher Sweets from LT or one of the others if he had casually encountered them in the days or weeks ahead of the crime - or less casually, near the cashpoint machine that morning. I wonder how fresh or deteriorated fingerprints were on that pack, and whose - all sorts of questions which might be addressed at the trial.

I agree, Lynda, that Alonzo is still a free man does give hope that LE is still working the case. I wonder how DB feels about Alonzo still being a free man.




Hey Jude said...

Was the deleted Facebook connection that of a mutual friend of Davey and Alonzo?

Me2l said...

"Hey Jude said...
Me21 - you do seem concerned about the existence of evidence of which the public does not have knowledge."





Concerned? Hmmm. Strange choice of word, considering it's not something I say often. It's an observation and reminder that analysis cannot or may not be accurate in some instances, since not everything is known. Of course, the mystery-solving facet of the case in this comments section is what is such a draw to many. Sleuthing.

Me2l said...

"Hey Jude said...
Was the deleted Facebook connection that of a mutual friend of Davey and Alonzo"





From the beginning, I've thought that was a very important and incriminating piece of evidence.....any FB connection at all.

Anonymous said...

Im so deep and what I think matters SO much. Would you like to hear more?

Hey Jude said...

Me21 - Yes, and that the connecting person was either unfriended by Davey or unfriended Davey himself, soon after a poster here, Sus, sussed it. That was very interesting - seemed a contradiction of the claim 'for us, we have nothing to hide', as it seems someone did not want that connection on show. Would seem a careless oversight, though, if it was a significant connection, for neither to have unfriended before the crime. IDK - too many coincidences - reasonably, there are sometimes actual coincidences; maybe Davey just accepts dubious friend requests and decided not to keep some randoms on his FB after Amanda's murder. Why bother though, pastor people usually don't mind who is on their FB - it could be the other person unfriended Davey, not wanting to come under suspicion himself - it would maybe have freaked him out to be coincidentally connected to Bull and Davey through FB if he was not involved in the crime.

lynda said...

Me2l said...
"Hey Jude said...
Was the deleted Facebook connection that of a mutual friend of Davey and Alonzo"


___________

Yes..that was such a red flag in my opinion. DB within a short time had deleted the person on his FB that tied him to Bull. Why would he do that? Why would he even think to look after ust losing your wife and unborn baby?

I can't wait to read Peter's analysis of Perry. That guy is a total freak too!

Hey Jude said...

Me too, Lynda - Perry Noble is a strange character - I bet he couldn't wait to see the back of Davey from Newspring, also wonder if he feels survivor's guilt now

Peter Hyatt said...

I am curious as to the opinion of those who follow this case regarding the lengthy FB post by Noble, Blackburn's mentor.

His purpose
What he reveals

Thank you,

Peter




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Bobcat said...

"I am curious as to the opinion of those who follow this case regarding the lengthy FB post by Noble, Blackburn's mentor."

"His purpose
"

To gain publicity by providing an update.
To persuade his fans that he feels like he made mistakes.

"What he reveals"

He spent time alone.
He drank alcohol.
He medicated a "sickness" (which he feels is a sin and he is lying to himself about) with alcohol.
He has hobbies including porn and friendships that took time away from his marriage.
He spent time answering emails (of which he is concealing content) instead of time with his family, even on vacations.
He stayed silent about something that he should have cried out about.
Keeping this dark secret caused him to drink alcohol.
He is planning for his future and will continue to seek publicity.

Bobcat said...

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/how-do-you-deal-with-the-way-amanda-died-part-4

Davey's latest installment is up.

Anonymous said...

re part 4 blog post

SO much over the top emotion in this post - Davey strongly needs to convince that he is enraged, angry enough to punch out the plexiglass window of a plane.


For whatever reason my imagination takes me from how I found her to what could have happened to her in those final 45 minutes.

Again, he gives timeframe - those final 45 minutes are sensitive. Is he talking about the 45 minutes while he was sitting in the car talking before he walked into the house -or is he talking about 45 minutes timeframe while he was away at the gym and Natasha Tank Jones heard two shots? He is obviously not talking about the last 45 minutes before Amanda was removed from life support.


Why wasn’t I there to protect her? Why couldn’t I have taken her place? Why her!? Why not me?!

After all, wasn’t that one of my roles as a husband? Provider, Leader, Cherisher . . . and Protector. I didn’t even get a chance to do so! I wasn’t even there to step in and fight, intercept, protect or offer my own life as a bargaining chip to save my best friend’s.


Too little too late, Davey. It has been almost a year and NOW you are obsessing that you weren't there for Amanda in the role of protector that morning? If you had been talking about not being there in the first week - if you had been saying "if only I hadn't gone to the gym" or "If I hadn't sat on the driveway for so long, I could've gotten help sooner and it might have made a difference" - if you had made anything even remotely similar to those statements on WTHR and on Good Morning America and on Fox News and on Inside Edition and in your print interviews, it would ring way more true.

Mentioning this now is responding to comments made months and months ago.

You talked so big in one of your sermons that if someone came into your house with intent to harm, you had a gun and you would handle them.


Wait! Where was God when this was happening? Was he not there? Was he returning from something? Where was he when his “house” was getting broken into and the apple of his eye was being exploited and ransacked? Why wasn’t He there to protect his bride?! Of all people He could have!

Please, for all that is good and holy, enough already with the "my house was broken into" story. You said on Resonate's Facebook page on November 11th and in appearances that your house had been broken into - then changed it to saying in multiple appearances that you had no idea anyone had been in your house. Walking in through an unlocked front door is not the same thing as "breaking into your house". And you were taking mental snapshots of things that were disturbed or looked out of place so you could tell investigators later - so why did you say so many times that you had no idea anyone had been in your house?

This has been asked fifteen times and still not answered. Maybe that will happen in "How do You Deal With the Way Amanda Died Part 5"?

BallBounces said...

Disgrace can mean debasement or degradation. The circumstances surrounding Amanda's death involved both.

Anonymous said...

Peter - there are no quotes from the boyfriend as of yet. They are still trying to find him. Either he is refusing to talk with police, or they cannot find him. I have read articles stating both, so I am unsure which is accurate. Technically speaking though, they both could be accurate, just differently stated (speculation). In any case, the fact remains is that they have no statements from the current boyfriend. Only the father, mother, brother, ex-boyfriend and friends.

-KC

Bottle Cap said...

His purpose

To garner sympathy
To rewrite the events of what happened
To set himself up to get back into his profession
To demonstrate how many people understand and support him
To minimize his role in what he did
To admit to smaller things, obfuscating the bigger things
To subtly blame others
To appear as though he has spent time addressing the issues
To appear as though he is taking responsibility

What he reveals

His counseling is not comprehensive or lengthy "spent last week" and is not true therapy (he's just "healing")
His marriage is beyond repair
He has a problem with porn
He has likely had an affair or emotional affair (the emails)
He's still not taking full responsibility for his actions
He's an alcoholic
He won't get better, he will only get better at pretending
He has issues with "control" which sounds like a euphemism for SSA

CJ said...

Davey: "Lately I’ve been having flashbacks. I’m not sure if they call this Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or not, but there have been multiple times over the past couple weeks where my mind almost involuntarily drifts to the morning I walked in and found Amanda. In fact, these flashbacks are worse now than they ever were immediately after all this happened nearly a year ago. Perhaps it’s because I began working on the book and publishing these blog posts. On some level writing about it has caused me to relive it. For whatever reason my imagination takes me from how I found her to what could have happened to her in those final 45 minutes."

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"Almost involuntarily drifts:" Experiences that are "almost involuntary" are not flashbacks. The mind that "almost drifts" does not drift. Irrespective of what "they call this," what Davey is describing here is not PTSD.

So what is it? Is he reliving an event, or imagining it? "On some level writing about it has caused me to relive it" describes a voluntary process of soliciting memory in order to document it. "On some level" is minimizing language; writing about this event has not caused undue stress. His explanation "imagination takes me from how I found her to what could have happened to her" tells us that he moves from experiential memory (how he found her) to imagining (what could have happened to her).

"Worse than" is relative language. One recent "imagining" would be worse than none right after the event. The word "multiple" is imprecise, and depends on the reader to project a number (more than two? Less than ____?)

Davey: "Every time I think about this my stomach seizes up, I feel a hotness course through my veins and I can sense my eyes dilate. Anger, rage, hatred, despair, and shock once again over-take me and it takes every bit of strength I have to tear my mind away from these thoughts."

How does one sense one's own eyes dilating (short of looking in a mirror or taking a selfie)? This language reads as hyperbolic. We understand hyperbole to be a storytelling device.

Compare his depiction of anger here with his comments form the family QA:

“I think we would be, um, fooling ourselves to say that there haven’t been feelings of anger on all fronts, and um honestly I think anger is okay. I don’t think Scripture ever says anything about you should not feel anger … anger toward um you know the, the perpetrators who did this, anger toward the situation at hand, anger toward God, absolutely, we’ve felt all these things.”

The closest he gets to acknowledging anger in the QA is including himself in the statement "we've felt all these things." It is a huge jump from this phrase to "Anger, rage, hatred, despair, and shock once again over-take me."

As such, "these flashbacks are worse than they ever were" and "once again anger overtakes me" is NTP. To believe in an event's reoccurrence we need to believe that the event originally happened.

What is the anger that he is feeling now, about?

"For whatever reason my imagination takes me from how I found her to what could have happened to her in those final 45 minutes. Every time I think about this ..."

Davey is angry about "this."
In reference to what preceeded:
"Every time I think about this (how I found her)...
Every time I think about this (what could have happened to her in those final 45 minutes).

He is angry about how he found her, and what "could have happened" (not what DID happen) in a 45 minute period that he has chronically written about, but left unspecific.

CJ said...

OT: Walkiing Dead spoiler alert!

Michael Cudlitz, Walking Dead cast member (Abraham), talks to Entertainment Weekly about the strategies he employed in real life to keep people in the dark about the Season 7 WD premiere. (For non-fans, Season 6 ended with a cliffhanger promising certain death to one or more of the show's characters).

"I think we did a good job in keeping people confused. ‘Cause you don’t have to lie to people. You just have to keep them confused. You don’t have to tell them the thing that they’re believing isn’t true, you just have to always keep that in their mind that there might be another alternative and that alone makes it so that they confuse themselves. As long as there’s more than one idea floating out there, then nobody knows what’s going on.”
******

This sounds like a page out of the CD playbook.

Anon "I" said...

I didn't realize (or remember?) that CD went to Perry soon after Amanda was murdered. Perry melted down after that bit of counseling CD. This is speculation... Could Perry's wife be aware of some of CD's secrets and that may indicate a poor "posture" toward marriage? If she overheard or found out that CD had guilty knowledge, that might be a marriage deal-breaker. Maybe she wanted Perry to report something and he refused? Again, its speculation.

Secondly, CD probably saw Amanda as a disgrace as a wife. He complained about how she didn't meet all of his manly, man needs. He might have thought that a better wife would cure him of all his "issues," and when she didn't, it must be her fault. If only she had been more open to his "anything goes" needs, he could think that any SSA might disappear. When marrying her didn't cure him, it was because he married a disgrace of a wife. Again, speculation.

Anon "I" said...

PS: Perry's problems were of a long duration before Amanda died, IIRC, also. I wonder if/how Amanda's death affected Perry and if it was her death that caused him to accelerate bad behavior?

Bingo3 said...

Davey's last post is absolutely laughable. If I had any doubt that this dude was a complete phony and chronic con man this is it! He wrote this post for one reason and one reason only; His publisher sent his book back and said he has to show some emotional anger and trauma or the book won't sell. It is not human to be that upbeat and forgiving of someone who brutally killed your wife but Davey was just that! Forgiving, not worried about catching them, wanting to share the gospel with them and being ever so saintly. DB has never had one ounce of anger or trauma from the execution of his beautiful wife. Time to start pretending and adding to the already fiction book. Unbelievable! What are your thoughts guys? Peter, have you read it?

dnd said...

Good post, CJ! After reading that, all I can say is "Wow!". I can hardly wrap my head around his desperation, not over Amanda, IMO, but because he has tried so hard to persuade, but many are not buying it. He has to be reading here. He just can't get over the fact that many out there see through his stories. It feels to me like he has a knack for writing "spiritual" experiences, and using it to con the people most susceptible to his "stories" because they are in need of comfort and faith in God. That makes him a con artist IMO. He is still only speaking about himself, and what happened to his wife to keep his place as pastor, increasing numbers and he is failing. Yeah, he's mad. In the quote of Amanda's journal, it sounds like he left for Indy because he was mad about whatever happened there, so he "answered the call", which may not been from God so much as it was from his ego. I really do almost hate writing this, because I don't want to believe he is that desperate to be believed that he will go this far. These posts of his are only for himself, so people will believe HIM. I feel so bad for Amanda's family. They are literally sleeping with the enemy. All is my humble opinion.

dnd said...

Yikes Bingo! I never thought of that! I'm sure you are right!

Concerned said...

Bingo3 at 4:42

Right on!

Laughable, indeed, and heavily edited to include feelings he never had!
Had he shown all this angst and anger in the early days following the crime,
none of us would be here still waiting for his comeuppance. Shoot, if he had
even said Amanda's name, we might have been less suspicious!

He (excuse me...the editor (whom I expect is a woman) has changed many of his
thought patterns but one remains. He still wants the world to know how important he is
through his numbers. He was compelled to tell us...
"I remember sitting on an airplane a few months ago flying to Dallas to speak at a youth
conference at Gateway Church. I was going to speak to over 4,000 students on the subject
of forgiveness..."

Davey can spin this all over the place as he tries to write a book designed to touch the hearts
of Christians, but during the time when a normal husband would have been falling apart
in grief, with abject fear of unknown home-invading murderers, full of anger and a desire for revenge,
he was grinning and about to jump out of his skin with the joy of his newfound fame.

Trudy said...

He can feel his pupils dilate with rage, can he? That's odd because anger and strong negative emotions usually cause (normal) people's pupils contract. Again, I think the word is contract, (like the one you took out on your wife, Davey) not dilate.

Lis said...

Was this what his mentor intended to communicate when he said that "something was wrong" with Blackburn and it was something a woman "could fix"?

I was just reading an article about Jared Fogle. His ex-wife claims Subway knew that he was a pedophile but they thought the fact that he had married her was going to "fix" him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/24/jared-fogle-s-ex-wife-says-subway-knew-its-spokesman-was-a-pedophile.html?via=twitter_page

It's pretty crazy to think a person can fix a deep-seated disorder in another person. It seems very unfair to expect that of anyone.

I just thought it was interesting that the same mindset was going on in that situation and worked out very badly.

Lis said...

Anyone remember the lying guy on Saturday Night Live?
His thing about PTSD sounds like it's about to morph into the lying guy:

Davey: "Lately I’ve been having flashbacks. I’m not sure if they call this Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or not, but there have been multiple times over the past couple weeks where my mind almost involuntarily drifts" - Yeah! Yeah, flashbacks! that's what it is! FLASHBACKS! Yeah!

lol

Aprilrain71 said...

I think this was from the other thread, but there was a woman who had said that her daughter was friend's with Amanda and

I am afraid to tell you what my daughter witnessed in that hospital room and their home for fear of it all being misconstrued against innocent Davey and out of respect for her mom and dad...

She posted again yesterday about how her daughter told her the house looked a few days later when her daughter went to the home...

A crime scene clean up crew cleaned it all up. Steph said it was spotless when she was there, but was told by family what it looked like before the crime scene clean up crew went in and replaced carpets, painted, etc.

He had the carpets replaced and the house painted all the afternoon after Amanda was taken off life support?? What is the huge hurry? I can understand within a week or so but what if the police wanted to go back to try to find any more evidence? I would have left it the way it was just in case, especially since he wasn't staying there.

CJ said...

Bingo3 said...
What are your thoughts guys?

October 24, 2016 at 4:42 PM
Bingo, the shift in tone and content in just one week is remarkable. Last week's post has zero mention of anger, rage, hate or despair. At a point in time where, according to Davey (today), he had been having "multiple" flashbacks for at least a week, we find him floating above the scene, seeing and reveling in God's POV.

I wouldn't want the job of Davey's publisher or PR agent. I've thought from the beginning that if Davey were to audition for the part of grieving husband he wouldn't even get a callback.

Hey Jude said...

Peter, My opinion is that PN has not made much progress in his rehab attempt. He was obliged to spend a week thinking about things, has only just started to 'discover' what the problems apparently were, and now he is saying what he thinks his readers want to hear. He wants to save his marriage, but It's all about him, his wife and daughter are not his priority. He doesn't say he has been spending time with them since leaving Newspring..

He feels able to 'carry the weight' again - I don't know if he means of his emotions, or the responsibility of pastoring. He's not missing the opportunity to preach at his readers, despite no longer being anyone's pastor.

'This one hurts so bad!' Hmm.

'waves of self condemnation crash into my soul.' - I don't believe that. (Does that qualify as a water reference - and 'dive'?)

He reveals that his marriage has been bad for years, and that he has been drinking heavily for a long time. He tries to take other married couples along -'like many married couples', in an attempt to normalise his bad marriage. He blames Lucretia for 'pressure from home'.

He makes the suggestion that 'married couples' in general are similarly 'fighting' for their marriages - he places unhealthy interests - excessive alcohol consumption and porn, alongside healthy interests - hobbies, friendships, or your kids (last), finding them to be equally destructive in potential, and on the same level as alcohol or porn. It is a manipulation, an attempt to place others' investment of time on an equal level with his own, in order to make his sin appear little more than a case of poor time management.

His personal emails 'none of which I can recall', despite spending so much of his holiday engaged with his email, might be interesting.

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I think other things must have been on his mind since he left Newspring, if only last week he began to 'discover' all the things he writes about as his issues. Are these the 'cover' issues, behind which lie other issues in which he knows he would not have received support?

I could not re-read the rest of it for now - I was too embarrassed for him in the first reading, though I gather that public self-accusation might be part of Perry's Baptist background. I think he is self-deceiving, self-pitying, and not great at taking personal responsibility. He doesn't seem to have much concern for his wife and daughter, whose lives must have been severely impacted by his behaviour.

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I don't know what his purpose is - to minimise, detract from the greater unaddressed issues - to win sympathy, to get back into ministry?

Trudy said...

It really is laughable.

"Wait, where was God while this was happening? Was he not there? Was he returning from something?"

Yeah, Davey. He was returning from the gym, just like you. Nutjob.

Hey Jude said...

Savouring Davey's choice of 'scenario' in his latest blog post.


'But this isn’t a movie. There’s no set, no producer, no actors, no popcorn. This is real life. I’m living the scenario and there seems to be no manual for how to walk through it, for dealing with these intense feelings in a way that would honor God and Amanda. There seems to be no reprieve for my hurt. Even revenge doesn’t seem like it could take it away. So I slip into feelings of guilt. Why wasn’t I there to protect her? Why couldn’t I have taken her place? Why her!? Why not me?!'

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scenario
sɪˈnɑːrɪəʊ/
noun
a written outline of a film, novel, or stage work giving details of the plot and individual scenes.
"the scenarios for four short stories"
synonyms: plot, outline, storyline, framework, structure, scheme, plan, layout; More
a postulated sequence or development of events.
"a possible scenario is that he was attacked after opening the front door"
synonyms: sequence of events, course of events, chain of events, series of developments, situation
"every possible scenario must be explored"
a setting, in particular for a work of art or literature.
"the scenario is World War Two"
synonyms: setting, background, context, scene, milieu
"this film has a more contemporary scenario"

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His choice.

Trudy said...

Is there a link to the Perry Noble Statement? Thanks.

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