Friday, October 21, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder: Post Crime Behavior



One element of analysis that is particularly difficult is "attendant deception"; that is, one is deceptive about one thing, but not another.  

In many major crimes, lesser crimes are committed "in attendance" to the major crime and can show up in statements.  In other cases, substance abuse often multiplies crimes, making it more difficult, not to spot guilt, but to assign it.  

For example, in a missing and murdered child case, the father was deceptive.  Yet, he was not the killer; a sex offender was.  His deception was indicated while his daughter was missing, but it later proved to be deception about negligence due to substance abuse, allowing for his daughter to wander off.  

Deception and Guilt in Language 

We (a team of analysts) strongly discussed the deception within the language of Davey Blackburn.  Although he is likely hiding SSA, there was too much deception related to the timing of the crime, suggesting knowledge that his home would be hit by criminals, with the necessity of the almost 40 minute delay.  

Regarding the case,  I have yet to find a single professional investigator who disagrees.  

With SSA, there can be lots of varying topics of deception, from his marriage, to the teaching of Christianity, right down to his public image, that he is acutely aware of and actively refining.  

Since his wife was killed "for the church", he has sought to fulfill this "mandate from god" (he is not delusional, hearing voices; he is deceptive).  This is where he was naked in the shower hearing from the Almighty what a great and historical figure, he, Davey, is, and what great accomplishments await him.  He has been shamelessly promoting and exploiting her death since, but there is something more:

Perhaps Amanda's restraints upon his "success" were more than what he indicated when he told us  that she stood in the way of success because she wanted his time and attention.  

Sociopathic and narcissistic behavior seek justification.  We see this in analysis with subtle insult or blame shifting to the victim. 

From Blackburn's own wording:   3 intruders did not murder Amanda, Amanda "gave her life" in "martyrdom" so that "the church would have life." 

Recall in his "shower revelation" (criminal psychology and statement analysis recognize the need for cleansing) where he then set the stage for shifting responsibility to others, should he not become the historic figure the Almighty 'told' him he would be.  He targeted the church audience, and his father-in-law, of whom he insulted for his work produced "dead" Christians.  If he failed, he would have others to blame; not himself.  The lack of personal responsibility is a strong trait of liars.  

Amanda As Hinderance To Success 

Although Amanda, who in video appearances presented as a lovely and authentic believer in Christianity, allowed for a ready-to-use excuse, she was, he told us pre crime, a hinderance to his self defined success. 

His subtle contempt for her was evident in the videos by his language, demeanor and even in his body language.  He interrupted her, corrected her and even his comparative language "of success", using his own rebuttal, show an obsession with numbers.  Scripture teaches joy in heaven from one sinner repenting, "but", as he used in public video, his numerical goal was not met.  This was a video that produced the pronoun "I" in his language  a dramatic change from the incessant use of "we" in his televised appearances.  This nullifies the claim of mental illness.  

With the new videos and blog postings we see a more defined effeminate appearance and deeper choreographic work in the videos as he 'out Elmer Gantrys' Burt Lancaster's character.  The appearance of the narcissistic showman has increased and the self promotion to "help" the Almighty has become emboldened.  

He told us, in his own language, that he was obsessed with numbers for his success.

He told us that his wife did not meet his sexual needs and that she hindered him because she wanted him around, keeping him from his self defined success. 

He openly complained about her in a most humiliating and demeaning manner, while he expressed an acute need to make certain his public knew he was heterosexual.   

He video taped himself waving a gun. Shortly after, his wife died from the use of a gun.  

He followed a strict daily and weekly workout routine, all but once, the very day  his home was entered and his wife killed. 

He told the public that she was not murdered, but "martyred" and that "she died so the church could live", supplanting the redemptive work of Christ. 

That he publicly told that Amanda could not meet his sexual needs and that he was directed by the Almighty, while naked in the shower receiving information on his own greatness, combines sexuality with the need to be cleansed from guilt.  

We now take these things, along with consistent deceptive indicators in the public statements and we look at the post-crime behavior. 

This has raised a question that needs an answer: 

Has the restraining influence of Amanda now been removed from Blackburn?

Is it more than just in the element of her taking up his time?

As he continues to write, he continues to reveal more information about himself, and about the crime.  

It would be interesting to learn:  What does the victim's family think of the 'new' Davey?

Is her family continuing to read what he says about their daughter? Had a man publicly announced that his wife does not meet his sexual needs would trigger a very strong response from most families, in particular, fathers.  Yet, Blackburn publicly subjugated his father in law with insult.  

Is her family watching the videos showing a visible and audible transformation now that their daughter is out of the way?

Blackburn's  language indicates a need to justify her death.  It is not just used for commercial advantage.   

As he continues this path, I expect an increase, even in spite of various pauses or warnings that cause a pause.  As numbers grow, he will alienate Christians who will no longer be able to dismiss his claim of Amanda being the substitutionary death for the Church to as just the wild emotional swing of a man deep in bereavement.  This means he will have to continue to change the Biblical message into the 'gospel of davey'; that is, to tailor the message to fulfill the messenger's insatiable appetite for fame, power, control and fortune.  

Christians, too, see the insult to Christ in his words, even now, as he continues his promotion.  Early on, some felt the need to defend him but as he continues to assault Christianity, commenting has shown a change.  Although many did not consider him Christian based upon his teaching, others may have excused the teaching as errant, while maintaining that he still may believe in the basic teachings of Christianity.  

Will he continue this pattern?  Will the outfits, designed sets, choreography, polishing,  and showmanship continue?  Was this what his mentor intended to communicate when he said that "something was wrong" with Blackburn and it was something a woman "could fix"?  

Beneath the deception is the unknown, which, over time, makes its way to the surface, like the "Tell Tale Heart."  

As numerical success increases, the successful  alienate their own selves and insulate themselves from criticism and will endlessly excuse their own behavior, even as his mentor has shown recently.  Even the "mea culpas" not only minimize, but actually shift blame to others.  Other times, the mea culpa is so 'over the top' that the need to persuade becomes transparent, even without analysis.   

Post criminal behavior and post crime behavior are both noteworthy.  


Was Amanda a restraint upon Blackburn, protecting him from himself, and now removed?  

Was the protection from self only due to sexuality and time constraints, or is it much deeper?

Time will tell.  

Amanda Blackburn was not a "martyr", nor did she "give her life" for any cause. 

Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide

It was her husband who stated that he received communication from God, while naked, in the shower, being cleansed.  




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Anon said...

Peter, could Davey possibly have a mixed diagnosis?

Debbie said...

As someone who follows Davey's blog I wonder how others dont suspect him? In my psychology class this week we learned a word called cognitive dissonance and I think that is what is going on but Im not sure at all.

Debbie said...

Also thankyou for speaking out about inflammatory language. As someone with high blood pressure reading things like that makes my ears turn red (it sounds unusual but it is very uncomfortable) and also I get chest pain and hives. I just enjoy a peaceful setting for discussion. So thanks.

Debbie said...

also in my psych class we learned about Freud and the way in which he saw baseball. My teacher mentioned it but than the class ended.

dnd said...

https://perrynoble.com/blog/four-areas-where-i-was-wrong

lynda said...

I would LOVE to know who is writing Davey's blog now, because he isn't. Oh, he's giving info, but he's not writing it.


Davey: "Lately I’ve been having flashbacks. I’m not sure if they call this Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or not, but there have been multiple times over the past couple weeks where my mind almost involuntarily drifts"

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If Davey actually had PTSD he wouldn't be able to travel the world, talk to the masses, give his perfomances on Sunday, write a book, read all Amanda's journals, take care of his son, SLEEP DRIVE EAT CONCENTRATE...F U Davey. You don't "drift" into a flashback you despicable moron! PLUS..he qualifies the "drifting" with ALMOST. It's not actually drifting, it's almost drifting. So what is it doing? You know how I read this Davey?? I read this that you are DAYDREAMING about your wife and unborn childs brutal murder you POS.
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Davey says

" Every time I think about this my stomach seizes up, I feel a hotness course through my veins and I can sense my eyes dilate."

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You know what this feeling is Davey? You just perfectly described sexual excitement you double POS! While "drifting and daydreaming about your wifes murder, your body is responding with characteristics of sexual excitement.


Everything else he says is just movie script/book LIES. He's a lying liar. This blog post enrages me. You can see him learning about what to say and do because Lord knows he doesn't feel it, think it,k say it on his own. The only statement I can get behind is "Why not me".
I agree..WHY WASN'T IT YOU , you crazy POS.

Cardigan Sweater said...

I agree, it sounds like someone's giving Davey head.
(I apologize for the vulgarity but it's an inescapable truth.)

Anonymous said...

@9:14, I was wondering if you could tone it down with your manner of speaking (although your anger is understandable), I think you you might be at least sticking your toes over the threshhold into "excited speech"...from there it is no stretch at all into inflammatory utterance if you will, and honestly I cannot physiologically handle it. Thanks and namaste hun!

lynda said...

Hey Jude said,

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He makes the suggestion that 'married couples' in general are similarly 'fighting' for their marriages - he places unhealthy interests - excessive alcohol consumption and porn, alongside healthy interests - hobbies, friendships, or your kids (last), finding them to be equally destructive in potential, and on the same level as alcohol or porn. It is a manipulation, an attempt to place others' investment of time on an equal level with his own, in order to make his sin appear little more than a case of poor time management."

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Excellent Jude! How insightful!

I think his purpose was just to "test" the waters and to normalize his actions. While he talks about what he did wrong..it's nothing that everyone else hasn't done also. It's NORMAL and everyone can now see how humble, how sorry, how Jesus like Perry is because he's praying for YOU!

Anonymous said...

Perry Noble's big statement is a bland, boring and devoid of emotion. He gives no details of his fall from gra$e. I'm guessing you have to screw up royally and publically, repeatedly, in order to get fired from a "church" you started. I would expect to hear how sorry he is, how he hurt his family & friends, with details, such as a near-miss car accident, etc. Recognizing how sloppy he had become. His wife and others confronting him with embarassing next-day behaviors, horrific hangovers, etc.

Not "I struggle with control. I isolate, & I don't spend enough time with my wife and daughter. I don't open up or admit faults....but you should."

There is no way in hell his addiction therapist is pleased with that statement.

lynda said...

Anonymous said...
@9:14, I was wondering if you could tone it down with your manner of speaking (although your anger is understandable), I think you you might be at least sticking your toes over the threshhold into "excited speech"...from there it is no stretch at all into inflammatory utterance if you will, and honestly I cannot physiologically handle it. Thanks and namaste hun!

October 24, 2016 at 9:54 PM

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Oh Please..if you can't physiologically handle it, then you shouldn't be reading here. I've been with CD's lies from the beginning and sometimes (knowing that DAvey reads here) I have to address him personally. Also, as a sufferer of PTSD, it galls me that he equates his hot blood and dilated eyes and "drifting" to PTSD. Not to mention I think it is telling that when he thinks of the murder his body responds in that way. I'm sure I'm not the only one that picked up on that. It's sickening.

Anonymous said...

I cant even process this. I did an inner reading on my energy centers which were vibrating (chakra wheels vibrating at a frequency of 1:3:4). The only thing that calming them and reversing the spinning was lute music by Yanni next to a waterfall. Now I have to deal with what is coming up to be released. What a picnic huh!

Anonymous said...

I just floated and landed in a special place I can go to anytime. There was a tiger but when I came closer there was a parrot and palm trees and a crystal clear lake. I felt like I entered into the picture and I asked it questions. And then I heard leaves rustling gently in the wind and then a man named Arnold said "Take my hand I have something to show you". The parrot whispered "spirit..........guide".........

Bobcat said...

Lis,
I also thought of the SNL pathological liar while transcribing DB recently. In one segment, he said "Right" six times. Right, right, right...that's the ticket!!!

Anonymous said...

OK yeah it seems like Davey is completely two-faced, uses some people for sex, some people for money, gifts, trips etc. Someone out for himself, walks all over people, uses them, doesn't give it a second thought cause he "deserves" it, even though no he deserves NOTHING because he's a rotten selfish friggin person, someone I wouldn't want to know or talk to. What a sleazebag. Hope all his using of other people fills up the giant miserable hole inside him. What an a-hole.

Jasmine said...

Regarding the out of body stair landing recitation from DB it makes me think he could have a bout with grandiose Delusional thinking. I don't know anything about psychiatry but am wondering. With some murderers does much hurried guilt lead to grandiose Delusions thus in a round about way confessing to the crime by putting on the -scene that unfolded but embellished? For those wondering if DB had been having trouble with drinking or drugs,. Might be both. I do remember the honeymoon beach side scene of him extolling the joys of drinking piña Colorado.

Jasmine said...

Pina closed ha ha

Hey Jude said...

Lynda, thanks - yes, he's 'sorry', but there's no repentance there - he's sorry for himself because he lost his income.

Whoever said his bad behaviour escalated after Amanda's murder, I agree - he has to feel he know too much about how vulnerable Amanda was to Davey - he didn't promote Davey - IMO he backed him financially to have him move on from Newspring. Amanda is the collateral damage. He is bound to feel some weight of responsibility. Also, I wonder if it was Perry who tipped Davey how to get round the browser filters, and if 'monitoring' Davey's internet use was something of a joke between him and Davey. I believe Perry had a problem with porn - wasn't that part of his testimony at one time? As such, he should not have been the one pastoring Davey on an issue he struggled with himself. I did think actually, it might have been Kenneth to whom Davey made account, as they supposedly spoke every week, but as he introduced Perry at Resonate as his pastor, more likely it was Perry. I wonder if Kenneth has been brought in as the supportive/mentor figure to possibly give the impression it was Kenneth who kept an eye on him rather than Perry. iDK - but I don't believe they talked every week, or if they did, it was a more recent thing - maybe Perry could not handle Davey, and had offloaded, or tried to offload him, onto Kenneth.

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Bobcat and Nic - Weston's sleeping habits were not clockwork - I'd think 'normally' there means 'mostly'. In an early sermon, Davey goes on about Weston being grouchy sometimes and him explaining 'he didn't get his nap' - so, there must have been times when his routine was broken. I think Weston saw Amanda after eight o clock - maybe Davey even held him while he was on the balcony. I wouldn't be surprised if Amanda got a good view of Saviour Davey cradling the infant Jesus before she died. Weston is going to do great things, and be a mighty warrior - but he does need to know that the last time his mother saw him was after she walked him up the stairs, sang, prayed, and tucked him in. Davey needed to get that out there for Weston's future reference, in a blog post before Weston was even two years old, to assure him, his readers (and himself) that Weston has no memories of Amanda, as though that is a good thing - but why should that be a good thing - why, and what, in Davey's thinking, is it best for Weston to not remember?



Hey Jude said...

I started watching Davey's sermons from the first with videos - on page 9 - with the intention of seeing how his clothing, appearance and demeanour have changed re Peter's earlier asking for opinion- but have only watched two so far. I was going to flick through them all - but Davey...it would be like fast forwarding through a scary movie, so I had to put the effort on hold instead and missed adding to that.

Me2l said...

Davey will not be ignored! And Amanda, yet again, failed him as a wife.

The NPD life.

"I used to call Amanda to check in with her during the day. She always had her phone on vibrate or silent mode and wouldn’t answer. I would call a couple times, that sense of panic seizing my chest, and still get nothing. I would sit at the office and worry about her and at the same time be frustrated that she had a phone but didn’t respond to my call! Inevitably a half hour later she’d call and very sweetly apologize for not hearing her phone over the country music she was playing while painting furniture in the garage. Relieved I’d ask her keep her phone on ringer in case I needed to get a hold her. She was so cute . . . she never did.

So I began using the “Find my iPhone” app to alert her phone with an alarm until she called me back. It became the modern version of a pager for me communicating, “Hey! This is urgent! I need you to call me back!" It was the only way I could call and get her to answer immediately, page her with find my iPhone and wait for her to answer back.

Before Amanda went to Heaven, I would often use this as a sermon illustration for helping people understand the communicative nature of our God. That when we call on the Lord, he’s never too busy, too distracted, too absent to answer us."


Me2l said...

"Blogger Hey Jude said...I started watching Davey's sermons from the first with videos - on page 9 - with the intention of seeing how his clothing, appearance and demeanour have changed re Peter's earlier asking for opinion- but have only watched two so far. I was going to flick through them all - but Davey...it would be like fast forwarding through a scary movie, so I had to put the effort on hold instead "




I have a certain admiration for anyone who can listen to an entire Davey sermon. I can manage only small increments.

He really doesn't have "it."

Hey Jude said...

I have listened to a fair few, some several times - perhaps because I don't quite believe what I'm hearing, or what he is saying. I will plough on, might take a couple of years, though. :)

Me2l said...

Well, good luck there!

Bingo3 said...

Concerned, I caught that about speaking to the 4,000 also. What a cad. Important Davey on his way to speak to 4,000 about forgiving the men he hired to kill his wife.

Did you guys read how he set up "Find my Iphone" since she wouldn't answer her phone when he called? Wow. This gives you a glimpse into how he tried to control her. I doubt his chest filled with panic but I am positive it filled with anger. How dare her not answer when important Davey called. She should be sitting by the phone waiting for his calls! He also tries to act all sad and angry in this blog (laughable) but he can't get through any post or sermon without degrading her.

"I used to call Amanda to check in with her during the day. She always had her phone on vibrate or silent mode and wouldn’t answer. I would call a couple times, that sense of panic seizing my chest, and still get nothing. I would sit at the office and worry about her and at the same time be frustrated that she had a phone but didn’t respond to my call! Inevitably a half hour later she’d call and very sweetly apologize for not hearing her phone over the country music she was playing while painting furniture in the garage. Relieved I’d ask her keep her phone on ringer in case I needed to get a hold her. She was so cute . . . she never did.
So I began using the “Find my iPhone” app to alert her phone with an alarm until she called me back. It became the modern version of a pager for me communicating, “Hey! This is urgent! I need you to call me back!" It was the only way I could call and get her to answer immediately, page her with find my iPhone and wait for her to answer back.
Before Amanda went to Heaven, I would often use this as a sermon illustration."

How must have Amanda felt about all of the sermon illustrations he made about things she did wrong. Remember the grill? He brought that up in several sermons. This poor girl for marrying such a narcissistic fraud. She was a dutiful wife married to a pastor and I am not even sure she realized how awful he really was because he twisted every evil thing up with scripture and control.

Bingo3 said...

This is Amanda's friend Mom writing about PN on Justice Seekers.
"Everyone sins. I never cared for him myself at Amanda's funeral. Couldn't put my finger on it. I didn't leave there blessed like I have at other funerals of Christians...I was wishing the speaker was someone who knew Amanda her whole life, not just as an adult. There were no pictures of Amanda's school days or friends and the music didn't make me think of heaven, it was too loud and rock n' roll-ish. I cried and cried in my hubby's arms. It was such a quick funeral too. I was wishing it was more like Amanda's friend Natalie's funeral. But it was what it was...I hope Perry is getting the help he needs..."

Poor Amanda. Didn't even get a proper funeral. It wasn't all PN's fault. It was Davey's. I am sure he was in "control" of the funeral. He made it a show for all the online shoppers. I just wish her family would step up and speak up for Amanda. Davey never will. He even made the funeral about himself and his business. Amanda is merely a prop to promote, promote, promote. I think the only hope there is for him to be stopped is for someone who really loves her to step in and stop him. Insist on further investigation.

Bingo3 said...

Hey Jude, I did that a few weeks ago. It is hard to do. He is just awful, crude, demeaning, violent wording, confusing and just a really bad preacher. However, early 2015, he is young looking, clean cut, nice looking and pale. His appearance has drastically changed. He dresses to attract other men IMO.

Nic said...

Peter said,
I am curious as to the opinion of those who follow this case regarding the lengthy FB post by Noble, Blackburn's mentor.

His purpose
What he reveals


His purpose is to maintain his public presence/maintain a connection with his followers. His therapist isn't able to control him. Contrary to PN's therapist's wishes, PN craves the limelight and cannot "go dark".

What PN reveals to me is that his addiction program wasn't his choice/isn't working. PN refers to making major progress towards healing in "one week", like his is able to "fast track" his therapy/run through the motion. His addiction is a lifetime battle. I'm skeptical whether his therapist is able to keep him sober since he wasn't able to coach him effectively during the seven years leading up to his personal crisis, in the first place. I'm wondering if in addition to not being able to listen to his therapist and "go dark" if he is drinking again.

jmo

Bobcat said...

Bingo,

"I used to call Amanda to check in with her during the day. She always had her phone on vibrate or silent mode and wouldn’t answer."

Davey uses the word "always" here, a variant of "normal".

I think this is made up to make him look like an attentive husband, as opposed to one who avoided being home except on Tuesday family nights when she was "vigilant" about scheduling.

I'm not going to dig for it right now, but there is an old tweet of Amanda's where she is demanding someone return HER call! DB is re-spinning the story as the opposite.

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Me2l said...

Bingo, you and I posted the same thing....Davey reaching Amanda by phone.

LOL

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 11:59am, Oct 24 said,

Again, he gives timeframe - those final 45 minutes are sensitive. Is he talking about the 45 minutes while he was sitting in the car talking before he walked into the house -or is he talking about 45 minutes timeframe while he was away at the gym and Natasha Tank Jones heard two shots? He is obviously not talking about the last 45 minutes before Amanda was removed from life support.

CJ @ 2:14pm, Oct 24 said,
He is angry about how he found her, and what "could have happened" (not what DID happen) in a 45 minute period that he has chronically written about, but left unspecific.


From APC: "At 8:17AM, November 10th, 2015, Allison Becker called 911 to report a burglary of her home at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. Officer Elise Torres responded to take the report. Becker’s interior video depicted a subject who disabled the system at 5:36AM."

From early published reports: Neighbour’s street surveillance video catches Davey Blackburn leave his residence for the gym at 6:11AM.

The time difference is 35 minutes; however whoever was on Sunnyfield disabling the neighbour’s security camera had to have arrived shortly earlier putting the murderer arriving to Sunnyfield appx. 45 minutes before DB left for the gym; or,

DB arrives to the gym at appx. 6:30, “jumps on his phone at 7:10” and then drives home. Here is another approximate 45 minute time slot.

DB arrives home at appx. 7:30am and his neighbour calls 911 at 8:17am, back-up a couple of minutes to her arriving and entering her house. Here is another approximate 45 minute time slot.

If neighbours’ street surveillance cameras captured DB leaving for the gym, they would have captured him arriving back from the gym, and/or getting out of his car and going inside to check on Amanda. This will be interesting to learn about.

Bobcat said...

Nic,

"From APC: "At 8:17AM, November 10th, 2015, Allison Becker called 911 to report a burglary of her home at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. Officer Elise Torres responded to take the report. Becker’s interior video depicted a subject who disabled the system at 5:36AM."

From early published reports: Neighbour’s street surveillance video catches Davey Blackburn leave his residence for the gym at 6:11AM.

The time difference is 35 minutes; however whoever was on Sunnyfield disabling the neighbour’s security camera had to have arrived shortly earlier putting the murderer arriving to Sunnyfield appx. 45 minutes before DB left for the gym"

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Jacola made the call to 911 at 5:23 (after the thugs were safely out of her neighborhood)

5:23 - 6:11 = 48 minutes

During this time period;
DB was still at home
The thugs were on Sunnyfield
The SUV came and went

Nic said...

Regarding PTSD, on one of the other threads (not Blackburn related), PTSD was talked about. You know what they say about coincidences.

Nic said...

One thing I noticed about PN's Facebook page is that his wife is absent. He talks about his "girls", but there is only one picture of late, paraphrasing "this little girl has my heart". He doesn't reference anything about his wife having any part of his heart. There is no picture of the three of them together. There is no family unity. To me it is representative of his marriage: Broken.

jmo

Nic said...

lynda said:
it galls me that he equates his hot blood and dilated eyes and "drifting" to PTSD. Not to mention I think it is telling that when he thinks of the murder his body responds in that way. I'm sure I'm not the only one that picked up on that


As Peter said, "Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide. "


Hey Jude @ 7:26pm, Oct 24 said,
"'But this isn’t a movie. There’s no set, no producer, no actors, no popcorn
.”

What.The.Hell

Initially it was denial (we having nothing to hide) and distancing. Now he boldly goes [there]. Further to lynda's comments, describing his response to "imagining" Amanda being killed is stimulating. There is a word for that sort of erotica, wherein it is scripted you have actors and you eat popcorn as you watch it being played out. It is also *illegal*.

CJ said...

Why introduce new elements that could potentially generate rumor and speculation?

I think it more likely that this is damage control. He suddenly needs an explanation for dilated eyes, mood swings, spacing out and/or paranoid ramblings.



Bobcat said...

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1934051_10153510273454565_6386173625052230877_n.jpg?oh=278608c9fd0ff71743f10a3c87794770&oe=58A570E7

11/25/2013 Amanda tweets
"@daveyblackburn read your direct messages!"

Anonymous said...

Davey's probably the type of person with Meg or whoever who thinks maybe I can use her for money, trips, gifts and if she doesn't give me what I want I'll cheat on her...that will make her buy me what I want... Women don't like to be cheated on...that will make her buy me the gifts, trips quickly. I'm sure that's what Davey did and Davey is absolute scum.

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BOSTON LADY said...

I have been reading here but not commenting because this case is so disturbing. I keep hoping Davey Blackburn is not involved but his latest blogs where he has separated the action into "parts" has caused my mouth to drop open !! My brief comment is first, it gave me the creeps that he put himself on the balcony in the same place he claims God was watching Amanda being brutally murdered. God watching??????? And at the same time states that Weston was "cooing" from his crib. Cooing.. something you expect to associate with a happy loved baby playing with their parents in loving interchanges back and forth. Not something noted while his mother was being murdered.

Peter is right about the tell tale heart. Blackburn's story is growing with each day.

Anonymous said...

Do you think Davey is low enough that he would use cheating on his partner Meg as leverage to get her to buy him expensive vacation trips and other gifts and money to keep him from straying? I do and it's too disgusting for me to want to discuss Davey anymore plain and simple. The guy's an absolute manipulating pos anyway you look at it.

Nic said...

Does anyone else get the impression that these people are circling the wagon? If Amanda was feeling threatened in any sort of way, be it physically, emotionally, if she was upset about being pressured into aborting her baby, their financial distress, would she first elevate her unhappiness to, i.e., PN or even her to own parents? What if she did? What if she elevated her vulnerableness and misery to every close person around her and they all said the same thing, i.e., "You can't leave him, it's against the church. You will bring disgrace to "our" families/churches. No one is perfect. You are the wife and expected to submit to his wishes. He's not the problem your attitude is the problem." etc. In other words she was "guilted" and rebuked into staying. And then Amanda was murdered.

Anonymous said...

Nic @2:45, yes I do. Especially Amber and Gavin remember they introduced Amanda Grace to DB😢.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

BL,

you've been a reader here long enough to know the accuracy rate.

DB is deceptive.

Trudy: I have not posted PN statement yet; the analysis is almost complete and the findings are disturbing.

Peter

Hey Jude said...

Nic, I have thought about that quite a bit. I find Robin saying that girl never gave her a moment's trouble [paraphrase] interesting - what sort of thought - possible guilt, produced that?

Amanda's brother reflected on how he'd never been given the opportunity to protect Amanda - she was a feisty kid who learned to look out for herself - he wasn't needed in that role. They were not in very close regular contact when Amanda died. I think Davey is on not on his real best buddy list, and he knew or suspected his sister was not in a good marriage.

Amber, also for the Celebration of Life service, said she and her brother had teased or picked on Amanda as they were growing up. The basis of sibling relationships don't always change that much through the years - Amanda maybe always avoided putting herself into situations in which she might feel picked on and teased.

Davey, in the Family Q&A made a point of saying that sisters who had a double wedding must be very close - that Amanda and Amber (therefore) were very close. I think either he knows that they were not close in confiding everything, or he is worried that they were maybe closer than he knows, and Amber may yet disclose things he doesn't know that she knows.

I tend towards Amanda having learned to look after herself, that she would be made fun of and chivvied into compliance with Davey by her siblings - they all have been raised with the same view of marriage, the scandal and failure of divorce, and she would have been anxious to not give her parents any trouble - she maybe grew up with the suggestion that she was a good girl who never gave her parents any trouble, so always felt obliged to live up to that expectation. I think she may have tried to express her concerns but, if she had, she would be told to deal with it, and the expectation would be that she could and would - sadly Davey was unlikely easy to deal with, and only presented his best self to the family.

Amanda, in her isolation confided to God in her journal, which was routinely read by Davey - she maybe had no-one and nowhere visible to go, except on a superficial level where she conformed - I'd expect Amanda's outward and inner lives were very different.

It's quite likely she was pressured into marrying Davey - she must have had her reservations to have given him up for Lent, even during a long-distance courtship - that was an odd thing to do.

Amber appears happy in her marriage to Gavin. Amanda, concerned with image, as is the whole family, may have tried to give the impression to Amber that she was similarly happy with Davey - their marriages were closely linked, and siblings can be as proud and competitive in adulthood as in childhood. It maybe struck her at times, that she really had been found by Gavin for his mate Davey, just so they could continue to hang out together - it wasn't only a joke.

I think it's quite likely they all knew Amanda was unhappy, at least, and overlooked whatever faults they might have seen in Davey. That may be quite wrong, Amanda may have chosen to hide her unhappiness while she persevered with the problems - either way, there is sure to be some collective guilt there, for what they knew or for what they ought to have known, which maybe they don't talk about.

I think Amber knows rather more than Davey thinks, and maybe has not confided to anyone what the journey from the airport, where they got lost, was about, or the rest of the conversation at the play park on the Monday - if even Amanda was able to tell her what was going on - maybe she did not.

I think, if Amanda was about to leave Davey, and all her family knew that, they would be pressing for investigation into Davey - they might be, for all anyone knows.

Anonymous said...

That was Amanda’s heart-cry. That was Amanda’s life-song. To be where Jesus is. The greatest of all places, sitting under the shadow of the greatest of all protectors.

28 years old with a fifteen month old and a new baby on the way. Ministering to Indy and trying to reach people for good. Enjoying creating treasures from trash and making some money doing something she liked.

Somehow I don't think she was pining away to be in Heaven, as much as Davey tries to make it sound like she was.

Nic said...

Hey Jude,

What you say makes a lot of sense. I wonder how much Amanda would tolerate and if she had a breaking point, what that might have been. The second baby was a stalemate between them, until it wasn't.

jmo

Tania Cadogan said...

"'But this isn’t a movie. There’s no set, no producer, no actors, no popcorn.”

When i think of popcorn, i relate it to watching something happen on the screen/on stage.
It relates to watching something happen, being a viewer or spectator.

It makes me wonder if davey watched what was going on, did he see the crime, did he watch Amanda die from the balcony?

We have him talking about being on the phone with a friend for 45 minutes whilst Amanda lay dying.
What if he was in the house and watched Amanda bleeding and dying?
It would fit in with his personality, his need to be in control.

He would have held her life in his hands, "do i help or do i wait a bit longer"?
In my head i picture him next to her, blaming her for her wounds, if she had only been obedient and did as he told, she would not be in the situation she now found herself in.
I picture him firing questions at her, demeaning her, blaming her for everything wrong in his life.
Haranguing her, telling her that without her, he had Weston all to himself, he could run his church as he so wished, he would have adoring followers, big money, especially from the insurance, he would become a mega pastor whilst she lay rotting in her grave.
She would be nothing without him etc.

Slowly his true self is being revealed, he has no one to restrict his behavior, no one to deceive, or use and abuse.
He is free and single and open to offers.

Concerned said...

Re: Amanda's family

I have to believe they were watching those videos where Davey
dissed Amanda regularly in the name of religion. If strangers like
us were wounded for her, imagine how people who have loved and
known her all her life felt. At least one of them will tell it one day...
maybe the brother.

I also believe Perry Noble watched the videos. Davey would have been
pushing him to watch because he was proud of them. Perry was
and is a stinker too but has learned to disguise it a little better than
CD. (Let us hope Lucretia writes her own book one day!) I think Perry
will wait things out and perhaps, one day talk to protect himself or to
sell a book.

I will not be surprised if Perry's journey includes SSA porn and activity,
perhaps with Davey and other NewSpring junior "pastors". Alcohol-
infused parties could have been the gateway for these encounters with
videos made so no one outed him. JMO.

Nic said...

And reference my comment up thread, wherein I mention "erotica". DB describes what essentially is a "snuff film" like "erotica", i.e., something he daydreams (and effectively) writes about! This man has zero sense of conscience! He has *zero* filter. His empathy quotient must be a complete flatline to say and do the things he does. He's coming across as a psychopath, really and truly!

jmo

Anonymous said...

Concerned - that would not surprise me either!!

Davey made his way onto a stage in Wisconsin over the weekend.

http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

If you're wondering - how did Davey make a Wisconsin connection? The Lead Pastor, Heather Semple, was his childhood babysitter. He's really scraping the barrel...

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Nic said...

tanya said:
When i think of popcorn, i relate it to watching something happen on the screen/on stage.
It relates to watching something happen, being a viewer or spectator.


Tanya, you and I are on the same page. Could one be more passive as to eat popcorn while "imagining" your wife being murdered? Or while watching her bleed out? How does one even put those images together for everyone to "compute"?

As for if he was inside the house during the 40 minutes he supposedly sat in the driveway, street surveillance would answer that question. In fact, every neighbour with street surveillance would know the answer to that question and many more! Like the activity on their street between,i.e., 5:00am-ish and 8:10.

jmo

lynda said...

If there is a plea deal in this case, no one will ever know anything. NOTHING will come out. The 911 will never come out because it will always be part of the investigation because of the appeal process. Davey will never be called to testify..nothing. Why do I get the feeling that there will be NO trial for any one of these animals?

It's interesting to me that Bull and Donae are listed as State Witnesses but on his FB, Bull is always dropping mention of how he is not a snitch and if any of his boys were snitches he would take care of it so to speak.

Bull is the key. The killers were at his house before and after the crimes. The killers talked to him DURING the murder and he had enough pull that he was able to tell 2 gangbangers that they don't leave Taylor behind because he is family and they did what they were told.

Donae is always yapping on her FB about God and going to church but yet she was privvy to information regarding her BF and his 2 thugs being party to a young pregnant mother being gunned down and said nothing.

How is Bull getting away with his "I'm not a snitch" when he is on the States witness list?

Peter..PN statement is disturbing? There's a big surprise..NOT! He is one of the biggest freaks I have seen in awhile. My very first impression of HIM upon seeing him speak was that something was "not quite right" there either.

Anonymous said...

Interestingly, one of DB's strongest defenders on the Justice4Amanda facebook says there is something "not quite right" with PN. She "can't put her finger on it" about PN, but still has faith in Davey.

So, she will defend DB as a Christian Pastor (and loving husband of Amanda @@), but won't defend PN as a Christian Pastor.

Strange.

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Hey Jude said...

From Davey's most recent blog post - it's so disturbing, especially what he wrote about Weston - how can he even bring himself to think such a thought, let alone say it? And more attempts at justifying Amanda's death - no one dies a natural death, after all - well, it's a lot more 'natural' to die in one's sleep of old age than to be shot in the head as a pregnant young mother, in her own home, execution style.

I agree, Nic and Tanya, he does make it sound like a snuff movie.

---


"Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden."

Wait! Where was God when this was happening? Was he not there? Was he returning from something? Where was he when his “house” was getting broken into and the apple of his eye was being exploited and ransacked? Why wasn’t He there to protect his bride?! Of all people He could have!

And then I thought about Jesus and what He endured! God’s one and only son! I can’t imagine loving someone so much that I’d stand by and watch Weston to be brutally tortured, flogged, and hung on a tree to die an excruciating death! On some level this had to feel like another home invasion to God, and He didn’t protect Jesus!? His one and only son!?

Davey I know how you feel! I sat and watched my son be brutally murdered. I witnessed my bride be stolen from me. But my protection came in a different form. It came not in the form of RESCUING as you see it, but in the form of RESURRECTION! When I rescue, I rescue for good. No more pain, no more sorrow, no more danger.

The thought nearly caused me to fall out of my seat. For a brief moment it all made sense. Eternal lenses had been dropped over my eyes to provide me a split second of understanding. I realized in that moment that we are all going to die. Some of us in brutal, senseless ways, some of us in accidental ways, some of us because of stupidity, and some of us as old and frail seniors. But nobody dies in a natural way. Death isn’t natural. It comes to us because of a supernatural battle that began between God and Satan. And on that supernatural battle front, Jesus took His revenge when He got up from his grave and conquered death once and for all. God’s greatest form of protection for us is sealing and securing our hearts and souls for eternity. The greatest protection that ever could have been provided for Amanda was the day she knelt down beside her bed at a young age and gave Jesus the keys to her life, surrendering her sin and receiving His forgiveness.

In the midst of her final moments her heart and soul were calling on the Lord, like she did every single morning, like she did that morning I spoke at that church plant, but this time with more urgency. This time with more intensity.

Bingo3 said...

Boston Lady, I am curious. Did you make a post on Davey's blog? They published it? What did you say. It had to be somewhat positive or Meg would have never allowed it to go up. I also think they make up some of the comments on the page.

Bobcat, I am very interested in Debbie who keeps responding on the Justice Seekers page. "There were no pictures of Amanda's school days or friends and the music didn't make me think of heaven, it was too loud and rock n' roll-ish. I cried and cried in my hubby's arms. It was such a quick funeral too. I was wishing it was more like Amanda's friend Natalie's funeral. But it was what it"

I know she gets on the site to take up for Davey but even she acknowledges what was odd about Amanda's funeral. There were only picture of Amanda's life with Davey. There were no pictures of Amanda's friends or family. Only with Davey and his big biceps. The music wasn't worshipful and it was short. The funeral was all about Davey. She is saying what everyone is thinking even though for the most part she takes up for Davey. If people would just open their eyes they would see who is really is and what he is doing. Surely someone will get a clue and see DB for who he is!

Anonymous said...

Death IS natural.

From 10/23/2016 at Red Cedar Church:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/10/10232016-red-cedar-church.html

"About a year ago, um, almost a year ago, uh, in a, in a couple weeks, on November 10, 2015. I uh woke up early, it was a Tuesday morning. I um, spent some time in the word, and then I left for the gym, and uh, was gonna come back and take a shower. About an hour and a half in the gym, came back, and I, walked through my front door and walked into, uh my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare, all in one. And I found, my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, face down, on our living room floor, in a pool of blood.

She was pregnant with our second, um. We didn’t know what the, the gender was but she had this intuition that it was a girl, and so we were gonna name her Evie Grace. She was 13 weeks along, and, and so I thought, in that moment that something horrific had gone wrong with the pregnancy. Amanda was s-, still, um, co-. She was unconscious but she was still breathing and, she was labored in her breaths and so, um, I, I got over to her and, and I was just like

15:14 jesus, no, there’s no, now what do, what, and so I thought, man, if we can get her to the hospital, everything’s gonna be, OK. She’s gonna be fine, and so in that moment of shock I’m dialing 911 and, seemed like it took for, forever, an eternity for paramedics to get there. They actually got there in, a very quick amount of time, they got her, um, s-, s-, settled into the, ambulance, and then I grabbed Weston upstairs, who was, uh, up in his crib, and we followed, the ambulance to the hospital, and in that moment I felt the most out of control I’ve ever felt in my entire life.
"

The words at 15:14 come out very fast and are ALMOST unintelligible, but I am confident those are the words that his tell tale heart spoke. Please listen for yourself.

Regarding Weston that morning. Once in February and again on the 23rd, Davey tells a story about Weston begin afraid to go into a dark room full of toys. Davey repeats doors and lights and it's a very sensitive story. I wonder if the words are leakage of what Weston witnessed on 11/10/2015. In this sermon, DB talks about his greatest fear AND his greatest nightmare. I think the nightmare would be Weston awake to witness things. The repeated doors and lights story involving Weston is making disturbing and tragic sense.

Here is the first Weston doors/lights story from 2/21/2016:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/02/overcoming-valleys-sermon-2212016.html

Anonymous said...

Bingo @ 9:43,

It's going to be hard for Debbie. Even small realizations, each revelation is a new pain.

I can't even imagine Amber's mind. If she automatically grants grace to anyone with "Pastor" in front of his name, how the truth about DB will shake her faith.

Bingo3 said...

Thanks for transcribing Bobcat. Ok, so Davey finally answers the question about Weston. Too many people had been speculating about him leaving Weston at home. He finally one year later gives us the answer to this. Wouldn't it be the natural thing to run upstairs while calling 911 to check on Weston? Instead Davey calls 911 and remains downstairs.DB knew Weston was ok and there was no reason to go check on him. Weston was just upstairs cooing!

Hey Jude said...

Davey's God was experiencing some tension then, as he 'sat' and watched his son be brutally murdered. Davey has a strange idea of God, and his God sounds suspiciously inarticulate - what a mockery. Davey has no shame. The comments beneath that drivel are unbelievable - how can people be quite so untaught, quite so gullible?

Why is he talking about eternal lenses over his eyes as he reflects on the death scenario? - it is too much of a leap to think he was filming it, on infinity setting? Probably - yet he does make it sound like 'the scenario' was a movie set, complete with a viewing balcony. If the personification of items means the person saying it also had most likely put them there, then the scene was staged - I don't think burglars who turned to murder would stop to 'stage' an actual crime scene, or permit themselves to be filmed from the balcony - not only because that would make no sense, but because they would have already created the crime scene in the course of committing the murder.

I wonder if even any of them entered the house, and if Davey owns a tripod. it is maybe to go too far down the path of imagination, but I think in view of how Amanda was degraded, it's quite possible someone did that with the intention of filming it, or making her believe it was filmed. The PC document includes no mention of clothing in disarray, or sexual assault by LT in his recounting of the crime - does that suggest he was unaware of it, just as he was unaware of where Amanda was shot - just 'somewhere in the upper body'. If it was he who assaulted and posed Amanda, it is strange he did he not boast about that to the CI.



Anonymous said...

DB has mentioned lenses more than once. I wonder if he is leaking night-vision lenses?

Speculation (based on transcription leakage, language sensitivity, NTP that Weston will not remember his mother):

As Davey returned home at 7:30 just after dawn on 11/10/2015, he discovered his worst nightmare upon entering his home. Weston was sitting near Amanda, and had smeared her blood around and on to himself. DB takes time to give Weston a thorough bath, finding the blood in his ears, hair, and even his diaper.

Hey Jude said...

Bobcat, do you think it's possible Weston climbed out of his crib and was downstairs with Amanda when Davey returned from the gym? Couldn't be, as his little bloody handprints would have been over everything. He maybe could have got out on the landing and witnessed something while it was happening, though.

I thought it was interesting he said Weston's door was 'still' shut - was it maybe shut because he did witness something, was put back to bed, and then the door unusually shut - if normally it was ajar, the dark might have upset him. It's possible they closed his door at night, but unusual unless they had a baby monitor, which is not mentioned - you'd be more likely to hear a baby coo on a monitor than through a closed door on another level, yet Davey says he heard him cooing from upstairs, not through a monitor.

It's all so weird - I get why Debbie and co find it so unpalatable to suspect Davey and to accept that the ones charged are the only ones who should be guilty. It's all so horrible to think what might have gone on that night if it was Davey who instigated or committed the murder - just as bad to think, well, what if none of that happened, and if Davey is just someone who is happy to be a widow, and who lacks empathy to an extraordinary degree? That's impossible to believe, too.

Hey Jude said...

Sorry, I was writing thar when you posted - so, yes, you domthink it is possible. Interesting - it would be his worst nightmare - lot worse than fingerpaints, then.

Hey Jude said...

I wonder if the forensics people found a steamy bath or shower room and if they collected water from the outlet and u bends - so many things we don't know. Poor little Weston, whether that happened to him, or not.

Anonymous said...

Doors, Lights, Washing, Weston

1/31/2016
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/1312016-bring-me-ephod-sermon.html
"Last night, we were just hanging out. We were about to eat dinner, and uh, Weston starts pointing over at the, the, the, the door, there’s like a glass door at the house that we’re staying at, and he starts going “puppy, puppy, puppy, puppy” Now, he just started learning how to say “Grandpa,” which we call his Grandpa Poppy, so I thought he was saying Poppy. No, I know Poppy’s not here, Poppy’s not here. Then it dawned on me. He was saying puppy. Puppy, puppy, puppy, puppy, and he’s pointing, he’s pointing. He’s pointing out the door and I’m like. There’s no puppy out there, and I start to walk over toward the door and, guys, there was this possum."

2/21/2016
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/02/overcoming-valleys-sermon-2212016.html
"So, he’s sensitive to light, because it’s been, it’s been dark, but I also realized that he’s also very sensitive, emotionally, to dark. So, we have this separate room in the house we’re staying in, where all of his toys are, and, and, you know the trick. It’s like, we don’t want clutter out in the house so let’s just shove everything into one room, and it doesn’t matter what it looks like in there. Let’s pull the door shut, right?

That’s, that’s what we do, and so he, he always runs to that door first, and he, he’s learned how to push the door open, ‘cause it’s like these French doors, and he used to just go inside of the room and grab his toys, but now, recently, he’s started walking to the threshold of the door, and looking back, and this is what he says: “Eyes, eyes, eyes”, and I finally figured out what he was saying. He was saying “Daddy, I can’t see in there. I need someone to turn the light on.” And so, I’m like, “Well, buddy, you, you know. You, you can go in and, there’s nothing that’s gonna hurt you in there. There’s just toys. Go in there, open the doors up, the light will come through, and you’ll go get the toys, but he stands at the threshold, and he doesn’t move, and finally, the other day, he goes “An Dad, An Daddy, eyes, eyes.” That’s, that’s translated as “Daddy, I want you to turn the light on for me.”


So, I decided to experiment with him and I decided to go up to him and say “Hey, buddy, why don’t you and I walk through the dark together?” Let’s, let’s just walk in to the dark together. So, so get this. This is what’s crazy. It’s crazy that, that even at a young age, this is happening inside of him. He won’t walk into the dark without me, but the second I walk with him and take his hand and walk into the dark with him, he goes no problem. Here’s why. Because his. He knows that as long as his Daddy is with him when he goes through the dark, he’s gonna be OK. And, and that, that, that dawned on me, and I remembered a verse in the bible.

3/13/2016
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/blood-week-2-sermon-3132016.html
31:00 "And so I’m giving him spaghetti and I had this little thing that Weston’s so good because we’re trying to teach, I’m trying to get him to, like, wipe his hand, wipe his mouth, and all this. So he takes his little thing and he’ll wipe his mouth, and I’m like, man, that’s really really good. Well, after a couple times of wiping his mouth, there’s spaghetti marinara sauce all over the thing. Right. The little cloth and so, so he, he I remember, I’ll never forget this, it just dawned, like I’m. He grabs it. There’s marinara sauce all over. There’s marinara sauce all over his face, and he wipes it off, and then it’s everywhere, like in the hair, and it’s in the ears. I’m giving him a bath later and I’m like, how did you get this in your ear?"

And Davey repeated the story from February again in October.
http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

Hey Jude said...

Also, it was horrible, whoever did it, obviously - but for Amanda, more horrible if it was Davey, lasted all night, and if it's possibly included Weston by accident or design. I feel I am going too far in thinking of such possibilities - Davey says things which invite the thoughts.

Anonymous said...

When my son was 15 months old, he walked and mimicked "cleaning" the house with a sponge.

"The little cloth and so, so he, he I remember, I’ll never forget this, it just dawned, like I’m. He grabs it. There’s marinara sauce all over."

Why doesn't DB just say "washcloth, wipe, napkin, paper towel", etc.?
Was the little cloth something Amanda was wearing?
Was it a blanket?

I wonder if Weston saw that Amanda was bloody and needed cleaning, so he got a washcloth from the bathroom and tried to "clean" her.

HJ - This has been disturbing. I'm going to look at kittens now.

Anonymous said...

Recently I watched an interview of a woman named Winnie Ruth Judd, who was convicted of killing her female friend & had taken her friends chopped body across several states in a suitcase, on a train. Anyway, as I watched her being interviewed, it occurred to me that even if Justice finds Davey, he will never admit guilt & show remorse. So, while I hope he gets caught, like Jodi Ariias, & Winnie Ruth, Davey will continue to play the victim. We ll never get a satisfying confession.

Anonymous said...

Is Crossfit one of those pyramid scheme type businesses, like beach body something or other? It seems like Davey is heavily promoting this, so maybe he's having to do this as side job for extra income?

Trudy said...

Perry Noble's "4 areas that I went wrong" is ridiculous in its minimization of whatever it was he actually DID wrong.

It reminds me of people who say "where I went wrong is that I love too much, I'm too honest, I'm a perfectionist, I work too hard, I trust people too much". Bollocks. That is assigning yourself a desirable trait, deceptively cloaked as self awareness.

1st cab off the rank is isolation, which he quickly reminds everyone is related to solitude, (and which the bible endorses). Nobody is excommunicated for self imposed isolation.
2nd is alcohol, which he says he was deceived by. To say you were deceived by sin, alcohol and yourself, is not taking responsibility for your drinking. I note he also blames pressures at home for his drinking. So, White Lucretia, its your fault, really. It's unlikely anyone would be excommunicated for drinking alcohol.
3rd is choosing control over relationships. This is the classic, "I work too hard" pity play. Nobody is excommunicated for working too hard. Please.
4th is "I chose silence over crying out". Gag me with a spoon. It is considered a manly virtue to be silent in your struggles. Crying out is for babies. Nobody was ever excommunicated for being silent.

Someone here used the term "humble brag", which I love. These 4 areas where Perry went wrong, are actually false humility - aka humble brag.

What did Perry really do to get himself fired? and if he was so silent instead of crying out...how did he get caught". He went wrong for sure, but it wasn't in the four areas he identifies.

PS He was a grossly inappropriate choice to speak at Amanda's funeral. He hardly knew her. Asking him to speak was a career move by Crazy Davey.

t said...

This is from Part 4. Someone may have addressed this previously, however, it bears repeating. A quote from Amanda's journal entry:Which is crazy because just two days ago I told Davey - “If you feel like God is moving us, I think I would be ok with that"
Because in just the past week - [she describes transitions going on with my job]
Jesus all that on top of the fact that we have done so many updates to our house in the past month (deck, roof, AC, plumbing) that were mostly unplanned … it just makes me wonder what you have going on.
I don’t want to try and assume what your plans are, Jesus, and I don’t want to manipulate anything.
I beg that you would guide Davey and his heart to your will … not to his agenda, desires, and escape. But if anything does come out of this, Father — I just want to praise you and thank you for the fact that you care so much about me and my heart that you would enable me and get me to the point where I would be ok with leaving or moving.

"not to his agenda, desires and escape".

This can be interpreted several ways, but most likely none of them are positive. Escape is a really big word. From what?


Trudy said...

Weston will undoubtedly be emotionally scarred by crazy D's version of what happened to Amanda.

CC has already written that the murder couldn't have happened at a better time for Weston; (what a lucky boy.) That Weston never once asked for his mother in the weeks subsequent to her murder. That Amanda gave her life (beyond a shadow of a doubt) fighting so that Weston could live. And now, (recently from CD) that Weston was so non sentient that he was "softly cooing" while his mother lay dying. That's a lot of guilt for a little boy to grow up with.

The little scenario of Weston taking Crazy Davey's hand and trustingly walking into the darkness with him is so sad. What an agonizing metaphor.

t said...

also, what is Amanda's differentiation between "leaving or moving"?

t said...

putting together
Agenda
Desires
Escape
and
Leaving or Moving

i would venture to say that Amanda was privy to something that she did not approve of or believe in, as far as her expectations of a husband's/father's behavior and general mindset. Those are very strong words: Agenda, Desires, Escape. Leaving or Moving.

t said...

How to make sense of this? Part 4 again

'I realized in that moment that we are all going to die. Some of us in brutal, senseless ways, some of us in accidental ways, some of us because of stupidity, and some of us as old and frail seniors. But nobody dies in a natural way. Death isn’t natural. It comes to us because of a supernatural battle that began between God and Satan.'

Death isn't natural? Old and frail is a battle between God and Satan? I think not.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, kittens are in order for me, too, presently, Bobcat..

I wonder what 'just dawned' on Davey, when he saw the little cloth covered in marinara sauce...what connection did he make, what did he remember, or even possibly realise...

There was all thar strange unlikely talk, beginning at the press conference, I think, about Amanda fighting to protect her baby son. Did Davey not check on Weston before the paramedics and police arrived - did the police find blood on him?...assuming the landing light was left on, did he go downstairs, try to wake and clean up Amanda, then go back to his room and close the door behind him? Did it seem possible to investigators that Amanda had Weston with her when she was fist attacked? Why does Davey bizarrely, say that Amanda died doing what she had to do to protect Weston - that she died so he could live? He was alone for a long time, in the event of Larry Taylor not having been in the house while the other two went to the ATM machines. He may have been awoken by the attack, or by Davey leaving the house. Maybe Davey found a blood soaked washcloth near Amanda when he returned from the gym, and couldn't figure out how it got there till weeks later, when he watched Weston cleaning up his marinara sauce with a little cloth... well, it could be that there was blood on Weston, or unaccountably elsewhere - some information about the crime scene wasn't made known to the public. - alternatively, Weston may have slept all night and awoke cooing contentedly just as Davey was calling an ambulance as soon as he could.

Hey Jude said...

Some other possibilities, too, of course.

Anonymous said...

lynda, I inferred the "almost" attached more strongly to "involuntarily" rather than "drifting," since it's right next to it.
We both agree he's a worthless, manipulative, murdering feces stain, just from slightly different angles here -- to me, he enjoys fixating on it and his perception of its effect on his growing importance, power and entitlement.

Which leads to Nic's observation that DB's self-described physical reactions as he recalls the murder scene resemble sexual arousal.

Nic, I presume you know measuring those responses to various scenes is a significant and reliable element in evaluating sex offenders, their preferred targets and potential for re-offending.

It would be revealing, and likely disturbing to see what gets little Davey standing at attention.

tania: As an avid football fan, when I read of popcorn in reference to entertainment I think of former NFL player Terrell Owens, whose mouth, ego and insatiable hunger for the spotlight negated much of his talent and potential.
(His favorite saying was "Get yer popcorn ready" when boasting of his upcoming antics.)

DB (yes, Davey, but DB fits him in more than one way...) hasn't nearly the talent or entertainment draw to offset this level of narcissism!

As to Peter's and others' observation that DB's story changes as fast as his ego inflates:
He seriously seems to be just talking out of his azz, saying whatever he thinks in the moment that the current listener/audience wants to hear, with zero perception of the mounting inconsistencies or even that the people in his world have thoughts, feelings, perceptions, reasoning ability, like he's not even bothering to try.

An intense, face-to-face SA interview with someone of Peter's caliber and experience would reveal at absolute minimum embedded confessions and motive!

With his financial desperation and his rapidly bloating ego (DB, not Peter :^D), my money is on him actually boasting of arranging Amanda's murder as the chosen one doing God's work, and defiantly insisting it's a success for which he's being rewarded.

I agree that he isn't delusional as a clinical, mental health diagnosis.
But he's obviously buying into his own legend, and the more his self-importance and deity complex grow, the more he'll become defensive and revealing of his motives.

Jasmine said...

T said, "Amanda said:. "I beg you would guide Davey and his heart to your will not to his agenda desires and will." So Amanda knew full well that CD was rather stubborn and possibly somewhat of a renegade Christian who possibly needed to be put in check just like PN. Further, Amanda said," that you would enable me to get me to the point where I would be okay with leaving and moving". This proves my point of Amanda being ambivalent as to moving to Indy and per my analysis from her diary page where she was sorely depressed. The picture is becoming clearer now. Also, was looking at a capital letter C of CD's that had been printed on his sermon message boards. His letter C starts witth a spike in the upper zone.which means importance placed upon intellectual prowess. Remember in the televised police report, it was said"you're not as smart as you think you are"? Hm....might they have been referring to CD? Btw, anyone have a 😶home remedy for insomnia? 😒

dnd said...

Jasmine, I wondered also if they were speaking to CD when they made that comment! I also think I heard he didn't get promoted at NS, and if true, no wonder Amanda worried if it was a true "calling" or just his ego. I'm sure he was mad and showed her many signs that he was in revenge mode for not being as important to NS as he thought he was. IMOt

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Me2l said...

"Bobcat said.
Death IS natural.



If DB's death statement (as well as others, BTW) were taken in the context of his pretense at preaching and specific brand of evangelicalism, the "death is not natural" belief is quite common.

According to a scriptural interpretation, God created humans as a reflection of Him with a unity of body, soul, and spirit, meant to reside eternally with God. As the Bible account goes, death was introduced as a result of the primordial sin; therefore, spiritually speaking, death is not natural and is referred to in scripture as the enemy.

While DB is speaking from that interpretation, it's obvious that many "religious" pastors are able to quote scripture and spiritual ideology for effect, while faking the entire thing.



Bingo3 said...

in regard to Bobcat and Hey Jude theories, Davey got out of there before police arrived. He was able to contaminate the car. He called cleaning crews in the next day. I have always thought that was suspect. Why the hurry? Why the heck did the police release the house back before they had even caught the killers? It is just like the Jon Benet case. If the police had not done such shotty work, the case could have been solved within 48 hours and the parents would have been arrested. I know I am just speculating about DB case, because maybe they had all they needed that first day but to seemingly accept an execution style killing as a robbery gone wrong, clear Davey without a polygraph and release the house back to the family within a day just "appears" to be shotty police work. Davey didn't waste one second getting the house cleaned up and starting his own GoFundMe page within 24 hours.

Bingo3 said...

From Food"With his financial desperation and his rapidly bloating ego (DB, not Peter :^D), my money is on him actually boasting of arranging Amanda's murder as the chosen one doing God's work, and defiantly insisting it's a success for which he's being rewarded."

It almost seems he going in that direction. I can just hear Davey saying "Look, guys it had to be done for the sake of Christianity! Amanda needed to be sacrificed and she is happy about it. It is what she really wanted although she didn't even know it. She is in the party portal sipping Pina Coladas and she is looking down at the worldwide revival with glee! She became a martyr. Isn't this every Christian's goal? She is one of the lucky ones!" Davey is so crazy and so many people are cheering him on (including AB's family!) that he may finally declare that HE in fact was responsible for her death and all of this Christian revival! He will confess and still get 500 likes. SMH!

Anon "I" said...

I wonder if Amanda was giving CD grief for his questionable behaviors. However, anytime a challenge came up she was tamped down with the cry of "Your being selfish!" It's for God, how dare you expect comfort and ease when you say you have surrendered to God? So, basically, she would have been told to suck it up. Anything CD wanted could have been twisted as God's will.

Jasmine, lower body temperatures after a warm bath, no caffiene, no vigorous exercise right before bed, no electrical devices (gadget lights interfere with sleep), chamomile (if not contra-indicated), and possibly melatonin might help with sleep...

Anon "I" said...

Oh, and the reference to 4,000 people may be CD comparing himself to Jesus who fed 5,000, etc. This doesn't include women and children.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+14:13-21

Nic said...

Hey Jude,

...Some of us in brutal, senseless ways, some of us in accidental ways, some of us because of stupidity, and some of us as old and frail seniors. ...



I'm going to say it, I fear for Weston. DB calls Weston a "world changer" in the same context that Amanda died so the church could live/rival crap. DB launches and re-launches his church like someone trying to start a chainsaw with no choke. His church is no more successful today than it was before Amanda died (so the church could live,) and as Bobcat pointed out upthread, DB is scraping the bottom of the barrel on his speaking tour, which also means his merchandise sales are sagging/drying up. No doubt his editor bounced his book back to him for the first of many edits, so that revenue stream is so far a non-starter. Does that mean DB will ratchet back on "living large" and concentrate on his business (Resonate)? Or, to DB, is that like taking 10 steps backwards to do something he was never successful at to begin with? Like actually work and minister to an auditorium of 20 people, make tough decisions and cut overhead expenses and get another part-time job to supplement his income and make ends meet? What will Resonate's next campaign look like? To say it bothers me that LE didn't investigate DB more thoroughly is an understatement.

jmo

Anon "I" said...

OK, I butchered some spelling above as I was multitasking.

Nic, I very much agree with you about Weston. He brought up the word accident, didn't he?

Nic said...

Bingo3 said,
Ok, so Davey finally answers the question about Weston. Too many people had been speculating about him leaving Weston at home. He finally one year later gives us the answer to this.


Yes, and it goes to the third party saying "carpets" had to be replaced. Again, if DB was present while AB was being murdered and if Weston woke up and was standing on the landing watching what was happening and if DB put him back to bed and closed the door so he couldn't get out, there might have been a trail of Amanda's DNA. Going upstairs to grab Weston after he "tended" to Amanda would contaminate any evidence of such an event.

jmo

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 11:54,

I too have suspected DB getting paid to endorse Crossfit.

Bingo3 said...

New SA on Perry Noble is up and gives even more insight to DB. The two are much alike. Insatiable appetite for fame and fortune and as Peter points out the ever present slogan "Whatever it takes."

Bingo3 said...

I think DB is either endorsed to share CrossFit or his narcissism can't keep him from sharing his workouts. There is nothing more nauseating than a narcissist who works out. Gag me. I know some and it is just awful.

Nic said...

t @ 12:50,

Where did you get your quote from? I went through Bobcat's blog and I didn't see "part 4".

Thanks.

Nic said...

t said,
also, what is Amanda's differentiation between "leaving or moving"?


Good question. I was going through Bobcat's blog and noticed that DB did a sermon on "Overcoming Financial Stress". Speaking for myself, moving would be within the same area but more affordable? Leaving would be leaving it [all] behind.

The bit you quoted about Amanda referencing "...Jesus all that on top of the fact that we have done so many updates to our house in the past month (deck, roof, AC, plumbing) that were mostly unplanned … it just makes me wonder what you have going on. " strikes me just how out of the loop Amanda was in her marriage, how little control or say she had in her life while married to DB.

jmo

Anon "I" said...

From a southerner: I take leaving as leaving her church, family, friends, neighbors, etc.... Moving is more like cardboard box issues and trucks. :)

Nic said...

Anonymous Anon "I" said...
I wonder if Amanda was giving CD grief for his questionable behaviors.


She was told to submit. That is what being a godly woman is all about: submitting.

Do not question, do not reproach, do not think, just do as I say. Amanda was made to abdicate every thought and feeling she had.

jmo

CJ said...

Nic, ROTFLMAO:

"DB launches and re-launches his church like someone trying to start a chainsaw with no choke."

Bobcat said...

Nic,

Part 4 is from DB's blog - the most recent posting.

"leaving" in Amanda's context may have been in reference to Newspring.
DB had an income from Newspring as Youth Pastor there. He was hoping for a promotion to New Campus Pastor, but was passed over in the summer of 2011.

They could have stayed at Newspring, but I think Davey had started watering the seed of power & fame when he hoped for a campus pastor position at Newspring.

He had to call a friend to be "talked off a ledge" after he was passed over.

Amanda & Davey moved to Indy in November 2011.

DB tells the whole story himself in one of the early Resonate podcasts.

Anon "I" said...

Nic, EXACTLY. Since CD thinks he can inform or replace God, he was misusing the submission dynamic to control Amanda for his whims. IMHO.

Bobcat said...

DB's opening at Red Cedar church is revealing. He goes on and on about how their Lead Pastor is a "chick" and then talks about how Jesus is for everyone, regardless of race.

It reminds me of when PN felt the need to describe "white" Lucretia.

Disgusting pigs (imo)

Aprilrain71 said...

DB's opening at Red Cedar church is revealing. He goes on and on about how their Lead Pastor is a "chick" and then talks about how Jesus is for everyone, regardless of race.

I thought it was strange, too, that he was upset at the Lead Pastor for "borrowing" a Little Mermaid VHS tape 30 years ago when she was babysitting him and didn't return it, so much so that she went out and found an old Little Mermaid VHS to give to him on stage. He could've been joking around but to me it seemed like he was serious. That is some kind of crazy if he really was upset about it.

Bingo3 said...

I am Watching the Red Cedar and is it just me or does Davey seem to enjoy saying he found AB face down in a pool of blood? Does he have to keep saying that over and over again? This guy is a true Psychopath. I think what someone wrote earlier is correct. He is a sexual deviant who does get hot, stomach clinched in and dilated pupils talking about it and thinking about it.(his words) He loves to relive it. It doesn't anger him. He enjoys thinking about it. IMO
He talks about it being the most out of control he has ever felt while shaking his head no. I think it was the most control he had felt in a long time!

http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

Hey Jude said...

Nic, I also fear for Weston. The bit about Weston in the latest blog is disturbing, that Davey could even form such a thought - and when he did, rather than put it away from him, he thought it would make a great blog post.

Bingo - your thought that Davey's editor has sent the book back is insightful. It would be interesting to see it just as it was submitted - probably it will have an editor's hand all through by the time it is published. Davey's ego is great, so he might insist it is not much edited except by him. He maybe quite enjoys that he has a certain notoriety and being analysed, just so long as he remains innocent in the eyes of his supporters and cast those who doubt him as 'the enemy'. Maybe any attention is good attention to him, as it increases followers, video views, and his sense of being 'used' by God, which maybe he half believes- he's not going to care who buys his book, so long as it sells.

CJ said...

RE Davey's post, his choice to use Adam and Eve hiding from God as an illustration was a poor one.

Adam and Eve were hiding from God because they were ashamed of their nakedness. They chose to listen to the Serpent and disobey God, and as a result sin entered the world.

How is this an apt comparison to Amanda, who did nothing to deserve her own death?


Anon "I" said...

So, is it Amanda he had a problem with (yes) or is it all women? Calling the lead pastor a chick is degrading. That chick has probably got more numbers than he does~!

Anonymous said...

Anon "I",

I think DB looks on all women (and other races - yes, I said it) as inferior. He was rattling off numbers regarding the attendance at Red Cedar compared to the size of the town, and Pastor Heather's numbers in population percentage are GINORMOUS compared to Resonate.

Resonate's draw is a pathetic compared to this "chicks" church. How this is happening makes NO sense to DB and NEVER will, because girls are inferior, period.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

The biggest issue for Davey is when the revenue stream (Insurance money, speaking engagements, donations, album sales, Church merchandise sales, and any potential Cross-fit sponsorship) dries up. Davey simply cannot maintain a congregation large enough to support his ego and success lifestyle aspirations. He has not been and is not Mega-church material. As important as he deemed himself to be to NewSpring and Perry Noble, he was not chosen (and with good reason, considering how he uses and abuses Scripture to suit his own needs). He's escalating like a drug abuser on Meth-reckless in extreme ways and gaining speed.

His current revenue stream will dry up. He is not a good pastor-he lacks the honesty, humility, human empathy and emotional warmth, and sincerity so evident in Amanda and her relationship with God. As the "chatter" of being sensational dies down (and it will), Davey will be relegated to irrelevant again. Then what will he do, in his efforts to be famous, rich, and "respected"/adored? Not to be crass, but the reality is that your pregnant wife dying in a "Home Walk-In"is a hard act to follow, publicity-wise. It's as if he gambled, playing his trump card. He either doesn't realize or forgot that the deck gets reshuffled before the next hand.

Jasmine said...

AnonI thanks very much for the insomnia advice. I will actually try some of the suggestions tonight. This case can give one insomnia as we manage every angle, lol😁

Anonymous said...

Bobcat said:
"So, she will defend DB as a Christian Pastor (and loving husband of Amanda @@), but won't defend PN as a Christian Pastor.
Strange."
~~
Bingo3 said:
"If people would just open their eyes they would see who is really is and what he is doing. Surely someone will get a clue and see DB for who he is!"
~~~

No matter how intelligent, we're all prone to illogical thinking, especially when faced with a worse reality than we're ready to confront.
"Too good to be true" is often accurate; "too awful to be true" is delusionally wishful thinking.

If my wife had cheated for decades, my kids might not be mine!
So all of those trips must have been business only.


If this investment were a scam, we'd lose our home and literally everything we own.
Therefore it's got to be on the level!


DB proving to be not just a fraudulant man of God, but a calculating, cold-blooded killer has too many far-reaching impacts and realities; their minds keep reasoning away the increasingly obvious clues.

Unfortunately,
Weston is our only grandchild from, and connection to, Amanda. We can't lose that!
DB must be just grieving in his own way.

isn't going to end well. Doubling down when it's time to fold never does.

Hey Jude said...


Davey is so ignorant - he said, seeming not quite confident that his former babysitter should be a lead pastor rather than her husband, that it wasn't her ability which mattered to God, but her availability. He didn't seem to find that insulting, despite he was speaking at her church, where a quarter of the local populace attends - successful in terms of numbers, which is what counts to Davey. For Davey, that's not down to her ability, so much as to her availability.

I find him to be disparaging of Amanda, yet without being so obvious as to say he is thinking of her, at some points in that talk - he just can't help himself. Amanda opposed him, therefore she was resisting of 'God's' purposes and had to be cut out of his life. Also, Christians are not going round murdering people, right? He was saying that months before Amanda died, too - it's a strange thing to say.

Shatterproof - Davey Blackburn. Red Cedar Church

https://vimeo.com/188596517

Bobcat said...

foodie @ 3:22

To borrow words from Jacola, that is very, very chilling.

Hey Jude said...

Bingo - another word Davey also likes saying 'is upended'.

Aprilrain71 said...

Apparently Davey is grieving tonight at the World Series

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/791411717070811138

Aren't those tickets crazy expensive? Amazing...

Nic said...

Bingo3 said,
Does he have to keep saying that over and over again?


Yes. He is suppose to be her "saviour".

CJ said:
How is this an apt comparison to Amanda, who did nothing to deserve her own death?


Because DB is the serpent/satan. The power of Christ, remember? Hey, it's a plead.

Reference both quotes, it's a conundrum.

jmo

Nic said...

Anon "I" and Bobcat,

^5, and he gets to posture all over her litter box like he's swinging his you-know-what.

Sorry for being so graphic, but that's what he's all about: Over compensating.

Nic said...

foolsfeedonfolly said:

He has not been and is not Mega-church material. As important as he deemed himself to be to NewSpring and Perry Noble,


This is such an astute observation. PN was somebody DB chased, someone he aspired to be and then some (beyond). Then in four short years PN was having to "pony up to keep up" (and lost his church in the process). DB has been so occupied looking ahead, he never bothered to see how flailing his own church has been all along. He's probably thought to himself, "sucker". Yet, the biggest sucker of all is, guess who? Now what? A relaunch!

:0(

Nic said...

Foolsfeedonfolly said:
It's as if he gambled, playing his trump card.


No, he still has a trump. Ace of spades.

Nic said...

If Amanda died so that the church could live (and Weston as well/she did what she had to do so Weston could live), both still hang in the balance.

jmo

Anonymous said...

Agreed that Weston is in a chilling situation, Bobcat. I can't even imagine what Amanda's family and close friends must be wrestling with, or the helplessness if they're fearing for Weston.

FYI, thanks for your many translations on this and other topics!
Is it me, or does Davey when describing his fake emotions make DeOrr Kunz sound lucid and eloquent in comparision?

Anonymous said...

Aprilrain71 said...
Apparently Davey is grieving tonight at the World Series

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/791411717070811138

Aren't those tickets crazy expensive? Amazing...

---------

He is at the World Series with his driveway life partner no less ! Greater love hath no man than this, that a man tweets for his friend at the same time as he is walking into his house to discover his worst nightmare that he wouldn't wish on anyone.

I saw this on a different message board

Today he is driving to Cleveland to go see a Cubs game, and it looks like he's driving alone, although he could just not be showing who he's with. Weston's definitely not with him. His life just seems to be one recreational outing after another.

—Anonymous


Wow, [R42]. Seeing that WS tickets are minimum of $500, he seems to be blowing through that insurance money he received.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...


Nic said... October 26, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Foolsfeedonfolly said:
It's as if he gambled, playing his trump card.

No, he still has a trump. Ace of spades.


True enough! I'm on the same page, I just didn't want to actually verbalize it. That would be way too coincidental if something happened to Weston also ("accidental" or otherwise) and could seriously blow up on Davey. Of course, Josh Powell comes to mind too. Frankly, if this was my grandchild, I'd be playing nice while a private psychologist analyzed his writings and compiled a psych eval (insomuch as is possible from compiled writings, videos, and posts) and I'd be consulting my attorney re: custody options.

Rosy said...

In October 24 blog he talks a lot about phones, including how Amanda refused to answer his phone calls promptly and played "cute" with him by putting her phone on silent, vibration mode and pretending to be unware of his calls. This is at odds with all his early accounts of their relationship. It's a picture of mutual hostility, in which he stalks her, she deliberately frustrates him to the point of panic, and he, claiming that his desire to just check in with her was a matter of urgent need, now boasts of how he found a way to force her to answer and be there for him:

"I used to call Amanda to check in with her during the day. She always had her phone on vibrate or silent mode and wouldn’t answer. I would call a couple times, that sense of panic seizing my chest, and still get nothing. I would sit at the office and worry about her and at the same time be frustrated that she had a phone but didn’t respond to my call! Inevitably a half hour later she’d call and very sweetly apologize for not hearing her phone over the country music she was playing while painting furniture in the garage. Relieved I’d ask her keep her phone on ringer in case I needed to get a hold her. She was so cute . . . she never did.

So I began using the 'Find my iPhone' app to alert her phone with an alarm until she called me back. It became the modern version of a pager for me communicating, “Hey! This is urgent! I need you to call me back!" It was the only way I could call and get her to answer immediately, page her with find my iPhone and wait for her to answer back."

Have you discussed this already (I'm checking in after a long absence)? I see a suspicion that he has a ghost-writer, but for the moment I'm assuming he wrote this himself, or dictated it for transcript.

Anonymous said...

Considering Davey's statement "some of us in accidental ways" (re dying), talking about how Jesus sat and watched his own son be brutally murdered (somewhat picturing Weston in that situation, also did he sit and watch Amanda be murdered?) - combined with his statements at Red Cedar last weekend re wanting to end his life. . . he said it more than once.

it could be a Josh Powell situation, easily.

Rosy said...

Follow-up on his account of using Find my iPhone to force Amanda to answer her phone - can this app be used that way? As I understand it, he would have to sign into the account for that iPhone (i.e. for Amanda's phone).

What the app does first is locate the iPhone on a map. Then you can choose to make the "lost" phone play a sound.

Using this app is ingenious as a way to make the phone play a sound when it's on silent. But for a spouse to use this comes close to stalking and spying, I would think.

So what does this anecdote add to the original picture? Using an ingenious app, DB used his own phone intrusively to make AB hear his repeated attempts to phone her even when she put her phone on silent mode.

Contrast that with DB sitting in the driveway for 40 minutes on the phone.

Hey Jude said...


Bobcat, thanks for your blog - I am trying to pay attention but I missed this specific quote from Davey's Kensington Church appearance till this evening:

'Almost a year ago, uh, this November, I, came home from the gym, and my, um, my greatest nightmare was, was sitting right there, in front of me. I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, lying on the floor face down in a pool of blood.'


Has Peter seen that?

What does it mean? Does it add support to the idea that Davey discovered Weston downstairs - was he 'sitting right there' besides his mother, who was lying face down in a pool of blood? Or does 'sitting' speak to the scene having been staged - like it was all sitting there, waiting to be 'discovered'.

It's very similar to how he described things at the Red Cedar Church appearance, but there he doesn't say his greatest nightmare 'was sitting right there'. Amanda was not sitting - why would 'sitting' enter his language there?

---

Davey's Kensington address is his most spirited of late - he was on a high, showing off his Crossfit legs to an all male audience - he really went for it. He's a good showman, but he keeps confusing himself with God one minute, and acting like a TV show psychic the next - 'There's someone here who's going through ...[fill in the blanks]..' He's not very good at that - it sounds like snake oil. I have to stop watching Davey - he's such a bad influence. :-/ Actually, mostly I put him into 'picture in picture' mode out of screen and play Candy Crush while I listen. Level 545 by now - not all whilst listening to Davey.

---

I think Davey was desperate to do Crossfit for some time but their finances were tight - it is expensive compared to a normal gym. He's obsessed with it because that's what Crossfit is like - it's like a religion or a drug, and he's finally got it and is hooked. A second baby would have put it right out of his reach for a long time. He got his teeth fixed, he's getting his Crossfit physique - he's going to be the most beautiful envy-inspiring, in-demand Davey he can be - he wants to knock all the Mega Pastors right out of the water. He's probably hoping a megachurch opening will conveniently fall into his lap in the not too distant future.

t said...

Thanks Bobcat for the clarification about "leaving". Puts that all in "time"context.
It is always great to read your posts.

t said...

Nic,
Thanks to you as well for your dedication to clarity and logic on this forum.

Anonymous said...

Rosy,

I think Davey has help with his writing. I may be off, but I interpret the story about Amanda not answering his calls as trying to show himself as an attentive husband.

Or he is proving himself to be an annoying control freak and she understandably got tired of taking his calls.

Anonymous said...

HJ,

'Almost a year ago, uh, this November, I, came home from the gym, and my, um, my greatest nightmare was, was sitting right there, in front of me. I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, lying on the floor face down in a pool of blood.'

Has Peter seen that?

-------------------
I don't know and will message him. That statement makes the previous nightmare statements make "sense", and explains the extreme sensitivity noted in sermons whenever he talked about Weston in the early months after. And the extreme need to persuade about the timeline - that Weston always wakes at 8:00, was cooing in his room, completely untouched, completely unharmed, uh, up in his crib...but that has taken months and months. At first after the crime, Weston was not mentioned AT ALL.

Weston was sitting there. I wonder if DB wonders (or knows) what Weston saw, or if he just climbed out of his crib, opened his bedroom door, looked down at Amanda, carefully climbed down the stairs, touched her, said "Mommy Owie" ???, and then just sat next to her when he didn't get a response. ???

Rosy - here's a timeline from my "spin-off" blog. It's loaded with transcripts.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html

Knitting Granny said...

Where the hell are people getting the notion Weston was next to Amanda while she lay dying?

Crocheting Carla said...

Is Davey leaking heroine use when he says stomach seizes up, blood runs hot through his veins and his pupils dilate. He could be snorting it.

Anonymous said...

Or smoking it. Please delete everything I just wrote Peter. I am overtired and I am not able to efficiently solve the case tonight. Sorrry I'll be bafck tomorrow with freash ideas!

Rosy said...

Leaving aside "sitting there," which I would not necessarily take literally, what stands out is what he now characterizes as "my greatest nightmare."

Presumably his greatest nightmare implies that he thought from the moment he saw Amanda in a pool of blood that he had been shot. Yet from what he said at the time, initially he neither knew nor suspected that that Amanda had been shot. The police did not dispatch until after EMS arrived and called them. Witnesses e.g. Perry, got the impression DB thought Amanda had suffered a miscarriage.

Why has this changed in DB's account of what he saw that morning? Has "my greatest nightmare" entered his discourse as a retroactive reference to what he soon learned actually had happened (Amanda shot in the head). When did he begin talking this way?

Rosy said...

*that *she* had been shot.

Hey Jude said...

Thanks, Bobcat, I hope Peter will address that, too - especially if it is wrong.

I think, since seeing that statement, I am even more convinced it is right, Weston was with Amanda when Davey returned from the gym - it was past eight, Weston had climbed out of his crib and gone down the stairs.

The thought is too awful to contemplate, which maybe is why for a long time, Davey did not mention Weston. Weston, would 'smear' blood, too - smearing is an action which fits a baby.







Anonymous said...

Why do you guys think Weston was there? What statement are you referring to that makes you think that?

Anonymous said...

Most babies can't just climb out of their crib and then also make their way down the stairs! That is very unlikely!!!

Hey Jude said...

We know Amanda miscarrying would not have been his greatest nightmare. It might have been that one unfolded unexpectedly before his eyes - Weston sitting next to his dying mother, covered in blood, and 'blood smeared all around' - he called 911 as soon as he could - what delayed him?

Anonymous said...

Rosy - a quick rundown. There is a lot in the timeline here: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html?m=1

DB Quotes:

(4/14/2016) "...I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone. My home had been broken into and Amanda was LYING on the floor..."

(4/24/2016) "I walk in, um, to, to discover my worst nightmare become reality. And um, I.. found Amanda um, FACE DOWN..."

(5/2016) "I came home from the gym, and, and found my wife LAYING unconscious on, on the floor..."

(5/22/2016) "I walked into, to my living room and, and found my, my wife FACE DOWN..."

(6/5/2016) "walked in the house and found Amanda unconscious on the floor. Uh Weston our, he was 15 months old at the time. He was up in his crib, um."

(6/2016) "opened the door and, and, um, my absolute worst nightmare, worst fear, um, wuh, was right there in front of my eyes. Um, I found Amanda FACE DOWN on the floor..."

(9/26/2016) "...walked in to find your best friend LYING on your living room floor..."

(10/8/2016) "I, came home from the gym, and my, um, my greatest nightmare was, was SITTING right there, in front of me. I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, LYING on the floor face down... Uh my two-, at the time fifteen month old boy, now he’s two, two years, two months he was up in his room, in his crib still, completely untouched, completely unharmed."

(10/17/2016) "I remembered how that morning Weston’s door was still shut. I remembered I could hear Weston's soft coos from his room upstairs."

(10/23/2016) "I, walked through my front door and walked into, uh my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare, all in one. And I found, my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, FACE DOWN, on our living room floor..."

Who was sitting?

Hey Jude said...

Yes, younger babies than Weston can climb out of a crib and crawl backwards down stairs - not all do, but only a baby in a sleeping bag absolutely could not. IDK tho, bet some little Houdinis have managed it.

Anonymous said...

Very nice summary Bobcat, thank you for taking the time.

Add to this the need for Davey to tell Weston so convincingly "and that was the last time you saw her" and it makes me think even more that Weston saw Amanda that morning.

Those who have kids that age, could a fifteen month old escape his crib and navigate his way downstairs like this?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:09 and 12:11.

Weston is a very bright, healthy active child. At 15 months, he could have come down the stairs carefully backwards, as babies learn to do. He may normally have waited for Amanda, but this was not a normal day. He found himself alone with no one tending to him, so he ventured out to find his mother. He sensed her 'injury' and decided to wait for help with her - or possibly tried to 'help' her himself, smearing her blood in the process.

The above is my own speculation based on statements made by Davey Blackburn.

Rosy said...

Bobcat, thank you, I'll read through your timeline. Thanks for the references above.

Anonymous said...

anon asked

Those who have kids that age, could a fifteen month old escape his crib and navigate his way downstairs like this?

No.

It is dangerous for a toddler who is just barely a toddler to even be able to climb out of their crib which would result in falling. Cribs are designed to prevent this from happening (the crib bars are high enough). Most toddlers that age will not even attempt to climb out of the crib--I know my son never did. They will stand up in the crib but not attempt to climb out because the bars are high enough and usually at that age they do not even have much of a climbing instinct.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea where you guys are getting the idea that he climbed out of crib and went downstairs anyway. I think it sounds outlandish.

Personally, I have already expressed my opinion, I do not think Weston was even home when it happened. I think he was at Grandma's.

Anonymous said...

That explains why Davey is now saying Weston was "cooing in his crib"...this is story-telling/fabrication. Rather than just saying "he was sleeping"...I believe amanda was shot the night before and that Weston was at Grandma's and nothing so far has disproved this.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat you said

"The above is my own speculation based on statements made by Davey Blackburn."

What statements? The only thing I read on here that seemed to be strangely connected to this odd theory that Weston climbed down and was with Amanda and smeared her blood was one poster who wrote about Davey talking about Davey teaching Weston how to wipe his mouth when he was eating spaghetti and that there was marinara sauce on the cloth from wiping his face. Is someone seriously making that connection that the marinara sauce was actually blood???

I don't agree with that, and that is a really far-out theory...one of the strangest I've ever heard on here.

Anonymous said...

"Those who have kids that age, could a fifteen month old escape his crib and navigate his way downstairs like this?"

Yes, unless they are locked in chains or otherwise delayed/handicapped.

Anonymous said...

From appearance in Wisconsin
they got her, um, s-, s-, settled into the, ambulance, and then I grabbed Weston upstairs, who was, uh, up in his crib

stumbling - Weston "upstairs"
"uh, up in his crib"

Bobcat said...

Thanks anon @ 1:09

There are so many retellings it's getting hard to keep things organized.

Anon @ 12:51

The marinara story was told during the Blood Week 2 sermon:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/blood-week-2-sermon-3132016.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

Davey had a sense of praying for protection for Amanda and Evie that morning - he did not pray for Weston or even mention him. Interesting that WESTON was the one upstairs in his crib completely untouched, completely unharmed.

It has been said before that this praying for protection for the girls was part of the story (sort of like how Davey says Amanda was "just praying that God would use us in a really big way")- so there was no need to pray for Weston because Davey already knew that Weston was going to be completely untouched, completely unharmed.

Hey Jude said...

Anon at 12.40 am - YouTube evidence contradicts your claim - take a look for 'baby climbing out of crib' - there's a thirteen month old, and quite a few others where the age is not stated, but evidently quite young babies. Some babies are climbers. One of mine began climbing out of his cot at twelve months, so I know first-hand it is possible, but as you confidently claim 'No', there is the YouTube fact. (Here, a crib is for newborns and is near cradle size, while a crib is called a cot, which is larger, for older babies and toddlers.)

It's quite possible Weston had the ability to climb out of his crib at fifteen months.

It seems reasonable to ask what was Davey's worst nightmare, which he saw 'sitting', in his living room when he returned from the gym, to find Amanda 'lying' on the floor. Was it Weston, or does he mean the staged scene itself was 'sitting' waiting to be 'discovered'. I don't know if a whole room can 'sit' in someone's mind - seems an unusual turn of phrase. A nightmare can't be 'sitting' , can it?

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 12.44 - you believe the family would remain silent if Davey's version of events was contradicted by the fact that Weston had been in their care during that time? Why would they? I don't believe they would.

Hey Jude said...

Anon - Is that the theory that Weston was left with Amber at the playpark, because Davey summoned Amanda (maybe via Find my iPhone?). It is curious, why he should be talking about Find my iPhone now, why sharing that controlling behaviour if it was not necessary to explaining something which might have happened around it and which has maybe raised belated questions.

Does Amber say how and when she and Amanda departed on the Monday? She doesn't say she took Weston to grandma's. Why would she omit such a thing from her account, if it had happened? I am loathe to doubt Amber. Amber presents things with a happy gloss, as did Amanda - I do think she knows some things she is not saying, but I don't think she would willingly misrepresent events. Any major omission round that afternoon would be a misrepresentation - but she was only writing what she wanted to write on Facebook, where she is not obliged to share anything.

I wonder when was the very last time anyone, besides Davey, saw Amanda, on the Monday.

Her friend Elizabeth, I believe said Amanda had phoned her on the Monday, don't recall what time.




Hey Jude said...

Or maybe messaged her - would take some effort to find that again.

Hey Jude said...

*loath* not 'loathe'- can't spell.

Anonymous said...

HJ,

Anon @ 12:44 is a distraction troll. The typical story is that Amanda was killed on Monday and Amanda's family is covering and knows all about it.

Amber posted that Amanda held Weston as Davey loaded the car on Monday after dinner at the grandparents. Amber did not hug Amanda because they were planning to see each other again on Tuesday.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/

Davey states they went to bed Monday evening and she was watching Instagram finds.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html

Anonymous said...

(11/11/2015) "There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these."

(12/7/2015) "I wanted everybody t-, to watch a message that has really, um, I think that God has used to prepare my heart for this leading up to uh, Amanda’s death, and has used, God’s used this to um, to help comfort my heart in all of this process. And it’s a, it’s a message that I posted a, a couple days ago on my, uh, social media feed, um, by Levi Lusko called Through the Eyes of a Lion."

(4/14/2016) "We were spending some time as a leadership team praying and worshiping, honestly preparing our hearts to listen for the plans Jesus had next for our church. Amanda led out in prayer. In tears she said, “Jesus I’m sorry for the times I make my life about my agenda. I want my agenda for my life to be your agenda for my life.

(4/24/2016) "I think the lord prepares your heart for things when you’re about to walk into a really tough season because, prior to this, our entire leadership team, both Amanda and I just had this sense that we were about to walk into a season of pain"

(4/24/2016) "I think the lord had been preparing ME, honestly, I can’t describe why this is but the lord had been preparing me and us that we were about to walk through a season of pain"

Bingo3 said...

Davey's jesus sure was busy getting everybody prepared for AB's execution. Was this jesus preparing for the "strategically mapped out, carefully plotted ploy"? Davey's jesus did "allow this kind of tragedy to happen to Amanda when He has the power to have protected her and prevented it." Davey's jesus "was standing (over the balcony) the whole time", "And she knew it . . . She saw him.” Davey's jesus also orchestrated it all so perfectly even letting the getaway car land on a specific street.


So his jesus prepared everyone's hearts, allowed it to happen and didn't protect her, watched it happen and orchestrated it even down to where the car would land? Man, I don't think many people would want this kind of jesus in their lives. Good luck on the worldwide revival, Davey.

Anonymous said...

The nightmare could be "sitting" there if Davey put the "nightmare" there himself....much as the letter Patsy Ramsey found "sitting" on the 2nd stair was put there by herself. Also someone did that with a car...where it "sat".

Bingo3 said...

Watched a little of CD at Red Cedar and oh my gosh! Davey is reallllly trying to change his tone. Someone told him that he has to start acting angry. Are you kidding me? What happened to Nothing is Wasted, Great things are coming from this! I will not go to a place of bitterness! I will Run toward the Roar! It is all good! There will be world wide revival while Amanda hangs out in the party portal! Now he is trying to act like he doubted his faith, questioned God, wanted to go get the guys who did this and that he has been in deep, dark depression. He is unbelievable! I will try to transcribe it! If I can even get past him calling the pastor a "chick". SMH

Anonymous said...

"So his jesus prepared everyone's hearts, allowed it to happen and didn't protect her, watched it happen and orchestrated it even down to where the car would land? Man, I don't think many people would want this kind of jesus in their lives. Good luck on the worldwide revival, Davey."

Excellent Summation!

Hey Jude said...

Bingo - the Kensington appearance is even more OTT - or passionate, whatever.

Bobcat - I keep thinking the dinner at grandma's was on the Sunday, after the airport - my mistake.

Nic said...

Rosy,

The app could also be used to track Amanda during the day. "Why did you go to (xxx) today? I told you you're not allowed to (xxxx)."

I don't think Amanda had *any* privacy. It's useful information, though, if he is ever held accountable for any part in Amanda's murder. i.e., if he had the password to her phone account, he quite possibly had the PIN # for her ATM card used the morning of her murder.

jmo

Nic said...

Hey Jude said,
He's probably hoping a megachurch opening will conveniently fall into his lap in the not too distant future.


I read your comment and thought, nope, it's too much like work. Then my next thought was, he's essentially downloaded all that work onto pastors. He just shows up and gets paid far more money as a "speaker" for an hour.

Further to your post on the Perry Nobel thread about Resonate not appearing on Newspring's roster, you really made quite a discovery! Resonate is just a prop, now. His numbers are other pastor's numbers!!

Anonymous said...

The app could be used to track Amanda, not so much to keep an eye on where she was, but where she wasn't. Like, if DB wanted to be unavailable for 20 minutes, he would know if she was 20 minutes away from wherever he was having his "breakfast" and "coffee" throughout the day.

Nic said...

Hey Jude and Bobcat,

Reference: , my greatest nightmare was, was sitting right there, in front of me. I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, lying on the floor face down in a pool of blood.'

From the JonBenet case study Peter said:
Please note the inanimate object (ransom note) was "lying"; often when an inanimate object is given body posture, it is because the subject put it there.


I could be wrong in my interpretation of inanimate object, however, I see nightmare as the inanimate object that DB "put" in front of himself. He owns the nightmare via the strong pronoun "my". He created it. He orchestrated it (via his words around writing a screen play.)

As an aside, he used the word "beautiful" to describe Amanda (who is face down so beauty technically not visible) lying in a pool of blood. He keeps mentioning her face. Why isn't saying, "lying in a pool of blood", enough? Because "face" is personal? Was it reported her face was beaten via a secondary site in a comment section?

jmo

Anonymous said...

Nic,

"I, came home from the gym, and my, um, my greatest nightmare was, was sitting right there, in front of me. I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, lying on the floor face down in a pool of blood."

"I, came home from the gym, and my, um, my greatest nightmare was,
was sitting right there, in front of me.
"

The first thing he sees after opening the door, before actually setting foot inside, is Weston smeared with blood. Was Weston hurt? No. What did Weston see? How did Weston get downstairs? Did Amanda get him? Did he come down on his own? Did the thugs touch him? I believe Davey when he says this is his greatest nightmare.

"I walked into my house, and I found, uh my beautiful wife Amanda Grace,
lying on the floor face down in a pool of blood.
"

This statement has been stated many times. He hesitates less here, and recently, has made sure to include the complete introduction: "my beautiful wife Amanda Grace". Here also is where I suspect "lying" could be related to Amanda's 'inanimate' body posture as part of Davey's staging.

Anonymous said...

The dream is Amanda gone.
The nightmare is a bloody mess and possible witness.

Anonymous said...

Was it reported her face was beaten via a secondary site in a comment section?


From page 18 of the Affidavit for Probable Cause -

"Blackburn had scratches to her left cheek, a split lip, and a lower tooth knocked out"


In all of these ever-changing narratives, Davey leaves out any indication of an assault. I can understand he wouldn't want to conjure up the images to the audiences of his wife unclothed, but he always just says some variation of the story that he walked in and found her lying in a pool of blood.

He never includes the things scattered around, duct tape, evidence of a struggle - that it was clear this was not a fall.

Is this because it doesn't fit with the "something gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy" narrative - or the "I had no idea anyone had been in my house" narrative? Actually his story in the APC as well as in its various evolutions doesn't fit with either of these scenarios.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat said...
The dream is Amanda gone.
The nightmare is a bloody mess and possible witness.

This sums it up nicely.

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 12:53am,

Yes. My youngest was a climber. I had to have two (stacked) baby gates at the back entrance (split entry). I thought it would be too high for her to climb that high, but more than once I caught her at the top of the second gate. I kept the side rail of her crib down because I was afraid she would break her neck if she slipped going over the top of the rail. I thought the basement was safe for the kids to play unsupervised. My son opened the (empty/stored) china cabinet doors, discovered and turned the nibs that keep the glass in place and managed to remove the glass panes from all four doors without breaking them. He laid them nicely on the carpet without cutting himself or breaking them. I didn't see the cabinet as a threat to my kids' safety. But my son was just tall enough to show me otherwise. I shudder when I think of what could have happened to him if one had slipped out of his fingers/hands and hit him on the way down. The cabinet was taped shut (all around the the top with wide painter's tape) after that. He also disassembled part of the piano we had. I didn't know the back of it (under the keys over the pedals) was removable. I'm thankful those days are behind us.

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Nic said...

Bobcat,

Re nightmare. I take it to mean he was looking at the nightmare that was sitting (continuous period) in front of him while he was on his cell phone in the driveway. Then he walks into the house and discovers Amanda.

He says "greatest" nightmare. So there were other nightmares?

Weston could have been with Amanda when he walked in. He only recently addressed Weston (because he needs to update the story?) My impression was Weston didn't have a "part", so he was never mentioned.

Smeared blood - I thought the smearing was from Amanda's left arm which would have been flowing downwards over her palm if her arm was down. If it was the first gunshot she took there would have been blood everywhere as she fought her way from where the assassin found her (the master bedroom?) to her trying to get to Weston (stair landing).

I'm assuming there was a chair in Weston's room. He could have easily moved it to reach the doorknob if he was awake/ignored long enough. Kids emulate their parents. It isn't much of a leap to figure out how to open the door, it's just being able to reach the doorknob (why they make doorknob covers).

jmo

I showed my kids how to go down the stairs by crawling down backwards, which inevitably evolved to frontwards on their bums to standing hanging onto the railing.




Bingo3 said...

Nic, so the assumption is that she was maybe in her MBR, where she was punched and attacked, she raised her arm up and got shot through the arm, ran toward the stairway and was shot in the back. Maybe at that point, the person drug her into the living room and shot her in the back of the head. The police have to know the punched out tooth, shot in the arm, shot in the back and then the final execution do not line up with LT "supposed" story that he shot her because she was charging at him. This must have been a bloody awful scene. The way Davey can just talk about it without any kind of physical reaction is baffling. Smiling in the interviews and laughing. Now as he tries to act like he is angry, you can still tell he is not. I still think he enjoys talking about Amanda laying there in a pool of blood. I think you are right, the reason he doesn't talk about the furniture knocked over, her OBVIOUS state of bullet wounds (she was naked, he saw the shots in the arm and the back) and what must have been a horrible scene in her head area. Surely all these church members are not buying the I thought her pregnancy had gone wrong so I didn't think to bring the police to the home. If he had called and told 911 what the scene really was, I doubt he would have been able to leave the house until questioned and cleared. Instead he was able to get into the car and contaminate evidence.

Anonymous said...

As per Davey's words" losing my beautiful Amanda Grace" well there is another very important aspect to his capital letter C (found on his sermon message board videos)Remember, I said he has a spike in the upper zone (atmosphere) according to Vimala Rodgers, authoress of "Your Handwriting Can Change Your Life"the letter C has more implications and one that fits Davey to a T, and basically shows proof of what he felt not only about Amanda, his mother and most women in general. From Vimala's book; I will capitalize some for emphasis.
"The letter C represents TRUST at it's deepest level, our WILLINGNESS TO BE VULNERABLE and FREE FROM JUDGEMENT OF OURSELVES AND OTHERS---PARTICULARLY WOMEN AUTHORITY figures IN OUR LIVES. Repeat: free from women authority figures in our lives. Davey wanted to be from Amanda lock stock and barrel (get the pun) barrel of a gun? Okay, Davey's capital letter C (in video) has a spike, any extra hook, loop, twist or curl,any dcoration, any added stroke to that letter is a mirror image of our negative judbment about aanother person IN OUR LIVES. IT ISTHE NEGATIVE JUDGMENT, NOT THE PERSON HERSELF, THAT KEEPS US CONNECTED TO HER.
With the letr C, this person is most frequently our mother who echoes out into our lives as any female authority figure. Forgivenes, compassion, vulnerability, openess, unaffected honest, true joy ARE IMPOSSIBLE AS LONG AS WE HOLD ANY NEGATIVE JUDGMENTS HERE. IMPOSSIBLE!
Posted from Adela Rodgers book. Speaking of Davey's mother, I don't know what kind of relationship they had so his letter C might have been free ( no extra strokes whatsoever) from all of the negativity that he had with Amanda? I doubt it though because his relationship with his mother should have been quite restrained after he told the big lie as a teen-ager imo. BTW, Wasn't Davey's mother a school counselor, some sort of counselor? I read that somewhere. that's surely a woman authority figure. So we, get to see even deeper into his negative feelings about "his loving wife" Amanda (the way he talked about her).

Bingo3 said...

The more we discuss and the more Davey lies and changes stories really makes me wonder what happened to cause the Indy PD not to call DB in for a polygraph? Is there some kind of cover up? I mean the guy was at the gym for less than 30 minutes (he told Kensington or one of those that he had been at the gym for an hour and half-LIE) He sat in his driveway for 45 minutes. He didn't report what he knew to be true. No way he didn't know it was a crime scene. This was so obviously not a robbery gone wrong. It was a hit. Anybody else think there is something really fishy with clearing a pregnant woman's hubby within 24 hours? It all is just very odd and extremely frustrating. While he goes to Cubs games and lives the high life, his wife and unborn baby are buried without an earthly future. Pure evil. Who dropped the ball and why?

Sirensong said...

This is something I wonder about too. Was it really just political, or was the church some how involved, in that many on the force attend these types of churches, and/or know the higher ups or parents and assumed Davey could not have done this. Meaning people in charge had some type of bias. I don't know, but I have been very suspicious as to why this murder or hit was not processed correctly at the beginning. And now, no one wants to go back and look at what they missed or swept under the rug. My opinion and speculation only.

Nic said...

Bingo3,

When I started reading the Blackburn case, it was quite a few months after Amanda was murdered. When I started reading there was speculation about LE "looking the other way". Someone on the thread asked if anyone on the force went to Resonate, someone posted yes. I don't know if that information is accurate. There was also some discussion around the very deep corruption there (50 years worth from what I can find on-line). Look what I found (acting Chief is now Chief):


50 Years of Corruption in PD 'Overplayed a Bit'
Mayor Ballard downplays IMPD controversies, uncertified police chief
http://lawenforcementcorruption.blogspot.ca/2012/04/50-years-of-corruption-in-pd-overplayed.html

Indianapolis, IN - Mayor Greg Ballard dismissed critics complaints and reporters' questions about his acting police chief’s lack of Indiana credentials and claims by his public safety director that he’s struggling to clean up “50 years” of corruption in Indianapolis law enforcement. “I think we’re overplaying this one a bit,” said Ballard. Ballard admitted he knew acting chief Rick Hite did not have credentials to be an Indiana police officer the day before Hite was named to replace Police Chief Paul Ciesielski. Ciesielski stepped down because of a controversy in the David Bisard case.

Nic said...

Bingo3,

I have wondered if Amanda's broken tooth was recovered and if it was, which room of the house they found it. i.e., if it was found in the MBR then it would definitely undermine the CI's statement about what TL supposedly said.

jmo

Nic said...

At one point the morning I returned to the house, I walked up the stairs that led to Weston’s room on the second floor. Our living room had an open balcony just outside the nursery that overlooked the living room. The resulting vaulted ceilings in the living room drastically opened-up the floorpan, and from the balcony I had an areal view of the whole scene. Almost as if I were having an out of body experience, my mind began imagining what everything looked like the morning I found her, me crouched by her side, a lamp turned over near her feet and shattered over the ground, the ladder she had propped against the wall for decoration now laying beside her body. I remembered how that morning Weston’s door was still shut. I remembered sitting downstairs on the floor of our living room pleading with Amanda to stay with me as she struggled for every breath.

I meant to comment on this earlier. Is everyone noticing what DB says he did that morning? DB said he was crouched by her side and pleading with Amanda.

If DB is crouched and pleading, would he be looking into Amanda's face or the back of her head? Was he watching her bleed? Did he notice her busted mouth and see her broken tooth?

jmo

Rosy said...

Nic,

Sounds like he wants to sell a movie. That's why he's talking about visualizing now. Maybe a Made for TV movie. The "stay with me" bit is what's supposed to happen in TV movies.

Anonymous said...

I have been very suspicious as to why this murder or hit was not processed correctly at the beginning.

A very large part of the murder/hit not being processed correctly was because the one who came home from the gym did not tell what he saw to 911.

If only Davey had said even something as simple to the 911 dispatcher as he said in his appearance on 4/24/16 -
"things didn't look right" and later in that appearance "some things looked out of place"

or in his appearance of 6/5/16
"there were things that were out of place that didn't seem right"

then the 911 dispatcher would have had an idea that this was not just an injury and would (most likely) have erred on the side of caution and sent a crime unit in addition to paramedics.

And that only addresses the lamp tipped over and stuff scattered around. If he had mentioned that Amanda's shirt was pulled up and underwear was off and duct tape was near her, you KNOW something more than a fire truck would have arrived that morning.

As much as Davey has used these statements -
6/5/2016 "um, thought she had just, gotten dizzy, passed out, something had fallen on her and hit her head."

Different appearance 6/2016 "And I just thought she had gotten lightheaded (14:32 shakes head "no") she had fallen, hit her head"


"I thought she had fallen and hit her head", "gotten lightheaded", and variations thereof in his appearances - did he tell the 911 dispatcher this ? - that he thought "maybe she fell, I dunno"

Because if he did, (1) it's no wonder that the 911 call is being withheld because it's part of an active investigation and (2) this is why he keeps saying he thought she fell, and that he had no idea anyone had been in his house. He has to cover for what he said in the 911 call.



Rosy said...

I agree with what Bingo3 said...
at October 24, 2016 at 4:42 PM

"His publisher sent his book back and said he has to show some emotional anger and trauma or the book won't sell."

Perhaps not the publisher but the editor has asked for more XYZ. So in comes PTSD, anger, more elaborate memories, whatever it takes.

Trudy said...

The Red Cedar sermon. Woah. CD talks about hit lists, capping people in carparks, killing Christians, the enemy taking shots at his family, (he says the word shot, with hand gesture, a few times,) not caring if he lives, being dangerous, going to jail and being killed.

I thought using phrases like "blow my mind". "Had a blast" and "3 shots (of Americana) were bad. This takes leakage to a new level!

CD starts the sermon sneering at the size of the audience's town and "chick" pastor. He repeats the party line about the gym (yes, I noticed he lied about how long he was there, to the church, too) briefly mentions Amanda, then launches into how much good her death is going to do him and the church. The mood swings wildly from campfire ghost story, to fake anger, to unrestrained euphoria. He is more animated and warm when he is talking about a beach house than memories of Amanda.

In an almost incomprehensible display of confused logic he refers to Newtons Law of physics - that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ; Amanda moving to Indy was an action against the enemy and their reaction was to kill her. (?!) it's beyond bizarre.

Bobcat, thank you for all you have done. Please transcribe the unbelievable piece of insanity that is his appearance at Red Cedar Church. It's an SA goldmine.

PS. The poor volunteers trailing behind crazy Davey carrying the goodness and mercy cakes!!!! WTF?! Hahaha.




Anonymous said...

"Bobcat said...
DB has mentioned lenses more than once. I wonder if he is leaking night-vision lenses?

Speculation (based on transcription leakage, language sensitivity, NTP that Weston will not remember his mother):

As Davey returned home at 7:30 just after dawn on 11/10/2015, he discovered his worst nightmare upon entering his home. Weston was sitting near Amanda, and had smeared her blood around and on to himself. DB takes time to give Weston a thorough bath, finding the blood in his ears, hair, and even his diaper.

October 25, 2016 at 10:24 PM"



I think bobcat has been taking medications for reasons other than their intended purpose again (as SA has revealed she does sometimes). Holy smoke.

Blood INSIDE his diaper? In his ears? What in the .......

Anonymous said...

Flightfulbird @ 6:07, thanks so much for posting your thoughts about the 911 call for the 7,000th time. Who doesn't love reading the same thing over and over and over? It gets better every time you post it! Please post it again soon! I know you will!

Trudy said...

The introduction of elements such as being angry and wanting revenge on the perps, hearing Weston coo softly behind a still closed door, and begging Amanda not to leave him will not fly now. As someone else said, it's too little too late.
Crazy Davey is recorded as saying the first time he felt any sort of anger was when the arrests were made and he saw the photos of the thugs, not when he was "told" at the hospital that Amanda had bullet wounds.

The story he is weaving is designed to answer questions that haven't been asked, yet, about his suspicious behavior. To head those questions off at the pass.


Bingo3 said...

From Anon: "Because if he did, (1) it's no wonder that the 911 call is being withheld because it's part of an active investigation and (2) this is why he keeps saying he thought she fell, and that he had no idea anyone had been in his house. He has to cover for what he said in the 911 call."

Agreed! He has to keep covering for what he said on 911 call! It is encouraging that the call is being withheld because it is part of an active investigation. However, Knowing the wife was pregnant, knowing the husband sat in the driveway for 45 minutes, had an extremely short workout and lied about what he saw when he walked in, makes me SMH to why they didn't polygraph his lying self.

Nic said...

In Bobcat's defence, if Weston did get out of his room and he was sitting with Amanda, it wouldn't be too far fetched to consider Amanda's blood in his diaper. His (absorbent) bottom would have been sitting in a large pool of blood. I could see him "finger painting", dragging his fingers through it and even painting himself. Kids are oral at that age, conceivably he would have 'tasted' it. If true, blood would have been on his face and around his mouth. If he had an itch it would be in his hair.

I don't know if it would account for the delay in calling 911 as finding Weston playing in Amanda's blood would only add to the tragedy of the murder scene.

jmo

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 6:40,

The blood in the ear and diaper is from DB's own imagery, talking about "marinara sauce" "everywhere" during a sermon on BLOOD.

Nic said...

Bobcat,

Thank you for the time and effort you've put into creating and maintaining an information site for us to reference. It's especially helpful to late comers like me!

Cheers,
Nic

Bingo3 said...

Trudy I haven't watched it all but it all but I agree that Red Cedar performance was bizarre. She is a chick but that is ok God can use anybody! Let me make fun of your town and your pastor before I start my crazy lying. What gets me is the twitter reposts about how encouraging Davey's sermon was and how wonderful it was to have him. Sometimes when people praise his sermons and blogs I think to myself, are we watching the same thing??

Anonymous said...

"Bobcat said...
Anon @ 6:40,

The blood in the ear and diaper is from DB's own imagery, talking about "marinara sauce" "everywhere" during a sermon on BLOOD.

October 27, 2016 at 7:14 PM"



Correction: BLOOD in his ears is from your imagination. Marinara in his ears is from Davey's sermon.




And this crap is coming from the same people who insist Davey went inside because he saw his neighbor come home. Now you're claiming he had enough time between the neighbor's arrival home and his 911 call to bathe a baby covered head-to-toe in blood. Give me a FLIPPIN break.

If Weston got into the blood, there would be little bloody handprints and footprints everywhere, and the police would know Davey bathed Weston before calling 911 while Amanda lay dying. Use some common sense instead of these sick, twisted fantasies.

Why would Davey need to hide the fact Weston got into the blood, anyway?

Bobcat said...

"Face down" might also be a need to persuade, to explain the minimization of thinking she had just "gotten faint, fallen and hit her head". Sure, she was bleeding, but she was face down so he didn't see the extent of the "severe head trauma."

Right? Right.

TY for the appreciation. 8-)

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, I agree, he just sees her in a pool of blood and assumes a miscarriage. Whatevs! She was naked with gunshots to her back and arm. Come on Crazy Davey.

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 7:31,

"If Weston got into the blood, there would be little bloody handprints and footprints everywhere,"

Only if he walked around after stepping in it and touched things. DB says his worst nightmare was "sitting" there. And, only if DB didn't clean said prints up.

"and the police would know Davey bathed Weston before calling 911 while Amanda lay dying."

How?
and
Maybe they do.
or
Maybe he used flushable wipes.

Anonymous said...

How would lying face-down hide the extent of the head trauma......she was shot in the BACK OF THE HEAD.

Right? Right.

Common sense. Try it.

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