Saturday, October 1, 2016

Assessing Threats: Anonymous Threat Analysis: Germany


When an anonymous threat is made, we have a need to access the level of the threat.  Here is a translation from the German of a threat to a local mayor of a small town.  

The threat is seven words only. 

This small town was told that they were going to have to accept Islamic migrants into their tiny town. They protested repeatedly and the protests were so heated that meetings were canceled when bomb threats were called in.  The residents feared for their lives, but also for their children.  They know of media's concealment of migrant crimes, as well as the arrests of those who have posted migrant violence on Facebook and social media.  Germans know how their politicians have told them that their daughters must change their dress, or that their women cannot go out unaccompanied at night, as well as the "anti-rape" remedies of wearing sneakers, tattoos, or holding a hand out and saying "arm's length."  These things infuriate a scared public and each sexual attack or terrorist attack only increases the fear and frustration.  

When one does not feel heard, anger can turn into rage.  When rage becomes so powerful that it warrants to verbal explanation, it is often too late.  

The anger boiled over and now the mayor, 62 year old male, has been beaten unconscious.  

The threat was very short:

‘Who doesn’t want to hear must feel’


The brevity is very important.  Lengthy sentences are often emotional and threats of length are often under the category of "need to persuade" as the author of the note is actually venting, which reduces the level of threat. 

The short note tells us:

1.  The author is resigned
2.  The author feels no need to vent--venting actually can mitigate the negative energy (anger), reducing rage to more manageable levels.  
3.  The author is likely not alone.  The author feels no reason to share responsibility or guilt with anyone. 
4.  The author is resolved.  
5.  Note the passivity.  
6.  Note that there is no warning
7.  Note there is no qualifying within it. 

The two biggest points of assessing the level of the threat (for future analysis) is:

The brevity and the passivity.  

This tells us the strength:  there is no need to persuade, and the passivity indicates that there is more than one person involved.  When an anonymous author wishes to deceive, he will add in a plurality of authors like a "small foreign faction" tells us that the writer is individual, local, English speaker, with good vocabulary). 

The length of the note being long is emotional and has a need to persuade.

Under need to persuade, we must then gauge if the emotion increases or decreases over the pace of the statement.  Some will exhaust themselves, while others will build, showing more danger. 

In this very short threat, action is almost guaranteed.  The reason I use "almost" is because the intent to harm is there, but circumstances could cause the change. 

There is no equivocation in this short threat. 

It was real, and it can be used for threat analysis going forward:  short notes with passivity are threats that the authors show resolve.  They should be given high priority.  

From media's report:


Before the meeting on Thursday the mayor had received a threatening letter with the words: ‘Who doesn’t want to hear must feel’ and ‘Oersdorf for the Oersdorferners’. Two bomb threats had postponed earlier planning meeting attempts. Police are now searching for the attackers after they made their escape.

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In Berlin, around 50 Muslim invaders smashed up furniture to use as weapons to attack the guards at their accommodation block in the northern district of Reinickendorf.

Locked in a room, the security personnel called police saying they feared for their lives. Thirty officers turned up to rescue them. Trouble broke out when the lights in the former gymnasium were suddenly turned on by security personnel after they discovered one of their offices had been broken into and looted.

Outside, some of the guards’ cars were vandalised. Angry refugees turned on the staff and began beating them as they fled to find a safe place. One guard was rushed to hospital with head injuries. Police said they will press charges of disturbing the peace, grievous bodily harm and property damage.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is there a civil nonviolent way to correct the mess made of eurape? The west has been destroying mslm nations for 13 straight yrs. Then tried to remedy the suffering they caused by relocation. Isnt it common sense that at least some refugees would use that naive benevolence to seek revenge once inside eurape? Do not ignore these facts of cause and effect. The west caused this complex tremendous mess.

Becky Rose said...

The threat sounds confident and authoritative in a calm way, which suggests that whoever said it believes they can carry out their message, and with desired results.

This is frightening to ponder, especially as I come to the logical conclusion of what they mean by the word "feel." As in, "If you don't listen and do what we want, we will physically harm you. You've been warned, so fall in line or deal with the consequences."

*shudders*

It's times like this when I want to move out of my city and into a tiny town, so I have a better chance of living amongst people who share my values. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.

John mcgowan said...

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Peter Hyatt said...

The winds of war blow for many years before the violence begins, and once it begins, even slowly, momentum and traction are quickly gained...or so says the rear view mirror of history.

War winds are blowing in Europe. I don't think there is any way to turn back the bloodshed brought on by Brussels, Merkel, Obama, and the conspiracy between them and MSM.

When a person disagrees with his government and is vilified for honest debate, war is upon us. When moral narcissism is used to deceive, war is upon us.

I feel badly for the mayor, and I understand the fear and rage of the residents. The rape epidemic and turning their nation into a 3rd world violent and unethical land produces the most extreme rage.

Imagine if this was us, and we were getting thousands of males who were dedicated to Charles Manson and the ideology of the Manson family.

This is 100 times worse.

The ideology is supremacist, criminal, with distinct sexual elements. It is the perfect storm of every base human instinct, as it appeals to the worst of mankind.

What your neighbor has, some 'god' has given to you because you are superior, and you should rape your neighbor's wife and daughters.

This is mohammad.

If you read the koran through our lens, you'll understand the bizarre "water" references.

It matters not what percentage of Muslims obey him. It is, to lift from clinton:

"It's the ideology, stupid!"

Anonymous said...

To me, the short note reads like it's from someone in Germany. I don't think the immigrants would use polite, passive words. Can the mayor say who beat him up?

As far as the immigrants destroying property, cars, furniture, then they should be given the consequences of any other German.

Anonymous said...

Assad rejected pipeline through Aleppo. Now again destruction. Is any part of nation destroying christian?.

Anonymous said...

When is the Hailey Dunn book coming out?

Anonymous said...

Is the first female president the current president? A male feminist?

Polo said...

Below are headlines from a variety of news sources, regarding the assault on the Mayor. Despite the fact that the entire town has been begging their Mayor, for months, not to bring refugees to their town this is how it is reported. These townspeople are referred to as xenophobes and far right-wing. These days, the media gets reprint permissions and simply copies and pastes stories to their newspapers or websites without any confirmation or analysis of the subject. Therefore, propaganda is simply propagated throughout all news sources without a thought. Politicians just don't get it or they are afraid to buck the trend. I'm afraid it is the latter.


"German mayor who wants to accommodate refugees beaten up in suspected xenophobic attack."

"The mayor of a village in Germany had to be hospitalized after he was severely beaten in a suspected far-Right attack over his support for asylum-seekers."

"Because of these xenophobic messages, investigators said that they were seriously considering the possibility of right-wing political motives for the attack, but that they hadn't ruled anything out yet."

Anonymous said...

Citizenry protecting society via violence because the authorities will not protect society. Hungarians just told EU No! to immigrant quotas. Viktor Orban is an authentic hero. Not a pathetic US celebrity sports or actor pseudo hero. A real hero.

Peter Hyatt said...

The Nazis used similar "word loading" as is done today. Stasi used it, so it is natural for Merkel.

If you believe that bringing in non-vetted males, age 18-30, who's ideology is to destroy you, you are

suffering from irrational fear;

racism, though no specific race is mentioned, unless a new race is created (stay tuned)

moral character so debased as to leave you unworthy of an opinion.

Those who believe in justice, truth, reason, science, etc, are vilified by those who believe feelings trump logic, but only their own emotional perceptions.

Now, truth is revolutionary, and in some circumstances:

truth is illegal.

I read Orban's letter. It was something very different than what we've seen for years.

My Sew Imperfect Life said...

Has anyone watched the Amanda Knox documentary? Amanda is featured & gives direct quotes full of SA nuggets of gold. Also, the emer call by Solecito is included. He mentioned the door in the call, and we know prosecutors believe the motive was sexual. I think I'd say it looks like a robbery & intruder and my gf can't reach her roommate, but maybe I'd mention the door? Are lights & doors always abt sex? Isn't it appropriate at some points to mention them? Or is it just when it is unnecessary to mention them, like w/unnecessary words. Peter, you do say context is key. I've only made it 23 mins in, has anyone watched it all?

Ps Peter, would you please do a series on the Burke interviews?
Also, based on the possibility Burke was molesting Jonbenet, is it possible the language of sexual abuse was bc they (the parents) were aware of it? Or is it possible both Burke & JB were abused (hence the scatological issues?)

Nic said...

Can somebody please tell me what MSM stands for? I'm sure it's easy. I'm pretty sure it's not the "miracle supplement" that comes up when I google the acronym. TIA

Nic said...

My Sew Imperfect Life,

No I haven't. I see it's on Netflix. We don't subscribe to it and even if we did, I'm not sure I'd have access to it. Our Canadian content differs from the American content. :0)

New England Water Blog said...

MSM=Mainstream Media, an utterly unreliable and corrupt source for information.

Nic said...

^^ Ha! Yes. Even "Talk Radio" has been corrupted.

Thank you, New England Water Blog.

Anonymous said...

Reposting here, hoping Peter will see it:

Peter, or anyone else... Could someone please do SA on this? It showed up on my FB feed.

Rape. IT IS NOT OK!!! I am going to try to express in words how I feel about my experience at your Viva Fortuna Resort in the Bahamas. The love of my life and I eloped to this resort. We were married on the beach with a very simple ceremony where we recruited witnesses from the beach itself. We even streamed it live on Facebook so that all of our friends and family could be there with us for our special occasion. The very next day, while I was returning to our room with my new bride, I went to get us celebratory drinks from the bar. Little did I know that while I was away, a member of hotel security opened the door to our room and proceeded to allow in three other persons who all along with the security guard raped my newlywed wife. When I returned to my wife's screams I opened the door to see the perpetrators leaping over the deck rail running across the beach. To make matters worse, while I was pursuing them, the same security guard circled back around to the room while I was chasing the others to "respond" to the incident. He calmed the neighbors then proceeded to "examine" my wife. When police arrived. No one was arrested. They are doing a full investigation even though my wife specifically pointed out the perpetrators. Hotel security was polite enough to tell me "have I considered the fact that maybe she wanted it". This resort and its staff left a scar in what should have been a perfect memory. They have so far refused to refund my money for the trip saying that they cannot since it was prepaid. Of course I'm leaving the Bahamas in the middle of what was supposed to be my honeymoon. This is a total nightmare. Never ever stay here. It is not worth the risk. The doors do not even have internal latches. Please if you are looking for a nice place to stay with loved ones don't make the mistake I did. #NOTOK"

Here is the victim's FB page, where she gives several statements such as this one: https://www.facebook.com/childschloe?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

"I am so very thankful for all of the love and support. Please continue to share and reach out, trying to protect others from having this horrible experience happen to them as well. I do ask that as you do so, you act with grace, not anger. Please ignore those who are ugly or say harmful things. Acting out and feeding into that negativity will not do any good, but only encourage more to arrise. Please do not use bad language, or bring anything besides that RAPE is #NOTOK into it for my sake and the sake of the cause. I am trying not to feel anger. I ask that you try to do the same, as hard as that may be. Please use the #NotOK when sharing. If you would like to help more, please reach out to your local senators and Congressmen to make them aware."

I am not accusing them of lying, but I just feel like the victim would have more anger. In addition, in early FB posts, she says it was 3 men and one woman, but then later changes the story to 3 men. Also, the spouse's story mostly gives a lot of details leading up to the event but then doesn't state a lot more about the story. Something feels off to me.

Becky Rose said...

RE: 11:01 pm

Unfortunately I can't access the link because I don't have a Facebook account, so I can only go by what you've copied and pasted.

First, it hurts me to say I disbelieve or doubt someone who is accusing another person of rape, because they might be telling the truth and I don't want to add anymore pain to what they're already enduring.

With that being said, I disbelieve this story. I don't believe that an employee would ask the husband of a gang raped woman to accept that his wife wanted it. Even if an employee thought this, he wouldn't say it out loud for fear of losing his job.

Also, the security guard circling back to the room and not being arrested sounds like a made up pile of dog doo. His wife probably would have immediately started screaming and saying he's one of the rapists, and it wouldn't have been hard to figure out whether or not she's right.

It would take testicles of steel and a mental illness to go back into the room of a victim while other people are there who will protect her. And for what? To take the chance that he will be able to torment her?

I doubt that's worth the risk for most violent males, considering the fact that the majority of violent crimes against females are committed by males who fear pain and death more so than the average male.

Anonymous said...

anon 11:01

By following the pronouns alone. I believe this is a fabricated story.

Just a thought said...

Meat! It's what's for dinner. You can't just rape us and get away with it. We expect to be reimbursed for that. I am sorry, but that is how I feel about my experience at this hotel.

Note no tears again said...

OT Townville Shooting Hoax Crisis Actor Victim's Mother Selling Stories On TV Already (Redsilverj)

This is copy video of Mother of victim to press, Townville Shooting
Redsilver J is one of many independents vloggers who believe Townville
was another false flag propaganda 101 distraction, feeding the future
gun grab ( possible grab) the sheep to hand them over voluntarily
believing guns without arms kill people.

No Tears from Mother of said 6 yr old victim * no tears from anyone
Persons surrounding her are smirking, some holding back laughter.
The father looks like he could be the mothers son.

Voice over is Red Silver J providing his comments of his opinion
as she speaks. He makes good points. The mother non stop talks, S.A. Away

https://youtu.be/A65UJgMZn44

Nic said...

The love of my life and I eloped to this resort. We were married on the beach with a very simple ceremony where we recruited witnesses from the beach itself. We even streamed it live on Facebook so that all of our friends and family could be there with us for our special occasion.
--------

They "eloped". Elope means they married in secret but then he says they streamed the ceremony "live" to family and friends.

- Improper social introduction
- "witnesses" are "recruited" (another word for "solicited"). Sex can be solicited (leakage?)
- this story is suppose to be about his bride being raped, but he he opens with the word "rape", by itself, as a subject of discussion, not attached to anyone in particular.
- he refers to recruitment, drinking, videoing (of something suppose to be secret), doors
- he begins with "I" (when it was his wife who was raped,) then we, we, we, we, we, we,..... the most vile crime was committed by multiple assailants (THREE! along with the security guy) but he makes the story about either himself (responding to the "incident") or "we"
- half way through his statement he doesn't say his wife was being raped, he said he returned to his wife's screams, and he calls her being raped "the incident".

If he doesn't say his wife was raped, then I won't say it for him.

jmo

Nic said...
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Nic said...

^^was being raped would be passive. If he truly walked in to the hotel room while his wife was being raped by three men and hotel security, he would say they were in fact raping his wife and he would use her NAME!

He doesn't use his "love of his life's" name, once! Just I, we, she.

IMO, it sounds like extortion. He mentions wanting to be reimbursed for the trip (like that would make up for his wife being raped). It sounds like he's more interested in trending (hashtag) to garner bad publicity for the resort to get money from them.

jmo

Anonymous said...

Anyone else tired of Merkl's hand posture while among a group? She does resemble the former Fuhrer.

John mcgowan said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reposting here, hoping Peter will see it:

Peter, or anyone else... Could someone please do SA on this? It showed up on my FB feed.

Rape. IT IS NOT OK!!! I am going to try to express in words how I feel about my experience at your Viva Fortuna Resort in the Bahamas. The love of my life and I eloped to this resort. We were married on the beach with a very simple ceremony where we recruited witnesses from the beach itself. We even streamed it live on Facebook so that all of our friends and family could be there with us for our special occasion. The very next day, while I was returning to our room with my new bride, I went to get us celebratory drinks from the bar. Little did I know that while I was away, a member of hotel security opened the door to our room and proceeded to allow in three other persons who all along with the security guard raped my newlywed wife. When I returned to my wife's screams I opened the door to see the perpetrators leaping over the deck rail running across the beach. To make matters worse, while I was pursuing them, the same security guard circled back around to the room while I was chasing the others to "respond" to the incident. He calmed the neighbors then proceeded to "examine" my wife. When police arrived. No one was arrested. They are doing a full investigation even though my wife specifically pointed out the perpetrators. Hotel security was polite enough to tell me "have I considered the fact that maybe she wanted it". This resort and its staff left a scar in what should have been a perfect memory. They have so far refused to refund my money for the trip saying that they cannot since it was prepaid. Of course I'm leaving the Bahamas in the middle of what was supposed to be my honeymoon. This is a total nightmare. Never ever stay here. It is not worth the risk. The doors do not even have internal latches. Please if you are looking for a nice place to stay with loved ones don't make the mistake I did. #NOTOK"

Here is the victim's FB page, where she gives several statements such as this one: https://www.facebook.com/childschloe?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

"I am so very thankful for all of the love and support. Please continue to share and reach out, trying to protect others from having this horrible experience happen to them as well. I do ask that as you do so, you act with grace, not anger. Please ignore those who are ugly or say harmful things. Acting out and feeding into that negativity will not do any good, but only encourage more to arrise. Please do not use bad language, or bring anything besides that RAPE is #NOTOK into it for my sake and the sake of the cause. I am trying not to feel anger. I ask that you try to do the same, as hard as that may be. Please use the #NotOK when sharing. If you would like to help more, please reach out to your local senators and Congressmen to make them aware."

I am not accusing them of lying, but I just feel like the victim would have more anger. In addition, in early FB posts, she says it was 3 men and one woman, but then later changes the story to 3 men. Also, the spouse's story mostly gives a lot of details leading up to the event but then doesn't state a lot more about the story. Something feels off to me.

October 2, 2016 at 11:01 PM

The pronouns are all over the place.

They have so far refused to refund my money for the trip saying that they cannot since it was prepaid. Of course I'm leaving the Bahamas in the middle of what was supposed to be my honeymoon.

So she's still there then.

John mcgowan said...

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The judge Monday plans to seat a final jury from a pool of 45 people deemed qualified earlier this month. Afterward, attorneys are expected to make opening statements.

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Anonymous said...

Is there mention of police report?

Anonymous said...

Reminds me of the Albany assault hoax by the blck college girls. College: the newest human right.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Compare pictures of Murkel and Hitler. OMG. Look alikes.

Anonymous said...

Die Fuhrerin. vs Der Fuhrer.

Anonymous said...

Form

Honest statements are generally within

25% introduction
50% body of what happened
25% post event

Words

Introduction - 142

Description of the event - 58

After the event - 147

In this account, it is heavily weoighted in the introduction and post event. This CAN be a sign of deception.

By form it's self, my radar is alert.

It is not to say there is deception, here, although, it should be taken into account, overall.

lynda said...

I just watched the Amanda Knox documentary and all I can say is WOW.

Amanda Knox told the truth...she IS a psychopath

The reporter (Pisa) is an asshole. He laughs and jokes his way thru his interviews about how great he is, how heady it was to see his name on the front page, how juicy everything became and is it his job to fact check? NO! Then he wouldn't get the scoop. I wish somebody would've walked up to him during his interview and just slapped the shit out of him, wipe that smirk off his face. He was so distateful that I couldn't even look at the TV when he was on as time passed. Ugh.

Amanda sure cried for herself, sure was sorry for her family, blah blah blah. She had not one tear for Meredith and her story about coming home that morning and showering in the bloody bathroom with a toilet full of doo...so unbelievable. While having no scientific base at all, this girl is batshit crazy. The way she talks, the way she looks, her mannerisms and expressions, C.R.A.Z.Y.

Poor Meredith and poor Meredith's family.

The biggest clue for me? It was not DNA, storytelling by her, etc...it was when Rudy typed to his friend right after the murder that "Amanda wasn't there and had nothing to do with it" why would he even SAY that? Amanda stated she didn't even know him, or know his name. Why would he go out of his way to clear her and say something so definitive? It made NO sense at all coming from a person that supposedly didn't even know her.

Anonymous said...

About the rape victim....

On Sept 30 @ 7:20 PM, she tagged herself at the hotel and wrote "THEY RAPE ME! HELP"
On Sept 30 @ 7:21 PM, she tagged herself at the hotel and wrote "HELP!!!!!"
On Sept 30 @ 7:25 PM, she tagged herself at the hotel and using the emoji/emotion, she put "feeling sick"

On Sept 30 @ 7:26, She posted this:
THIS IS NOT OKAY... For clarification, it is not okay that I was gang raped by three men and a women. It is not okay that the security officer opened the door and was involved in the rape. It is not okay that he was allowed to stand side by side with the police and laugh at how upset I was. I am so very thankful to have my husband by my side through this, because he has been my rock, my strength, my support and has shown me nothing but unconditional love #NOTOK

On Oct 1 at 1:25 AM, (so a few hours after the incident), she posts a video that she is out of the hospital and they are moving resorts and thanks everyone for their support. Again, she uses the hashtag "NOTOK

Oct 1 @ 10:47 AM, there is another video saying they are at a different resort and hope to fly out the next day. Again, using the hashtag #NOTOK

Oct 2 @ 10:54 AM, she posts:
"I am so very thankful for all of the love and support. Please continue to share and reach out, trying to protect others from having this horrible experience happen to them as well. I do ask that as you do so, you act with grace, not anger. Please ignore those who are ugly or say harmful things. Acting out and feeding into that negativity will not do any good, but only encourage more to arrise. Please do not use bad language, or bring anything besides that RAPE is #NOTOK into it for my sake and the sake of the cause. I am trying not to feel anger. I ask that you try to do the same, as hard as that may be. Please use the #NotOK when sharing. If you would like to help more, please reach out to your local senators and Congressmen to make them aware." (again with the hashtag!)

15 hours ago, she posts a video (4 mins, 16 secs) of herself and her husband and reads a childrens book with a teddy bear that she was given at the hospital. Her post above it says: "Everyone, please keep sharing. We made it home safely. We received a fear 2 freedom box at the hospital. We'd like to share Freedom Bear's Story with you. Written by Rosemary Trible and illustrated by Chelsea Rodgers. Although we are back in the states. IT IS STILL #NOTOK"

3 hours ago she posts a picture of the resort and on the picture she lists the resort name and "RAPE IS #NOTOK" is written on it. She also posts: "When I saw this, I could not help but smile. Thank you for whoever made this. This was something on our very long to-do list and you just made it that much easier. I want everyone to hear me when I say that my goal is for this to NEVER happen to anyone else. The way we were treated by staff is simply unexceptionable ( taking out the security guards actions of course! ) I ask that you share this post and contiue to warn others of what is being continuously swept under the rug. Thank you all so very much for the love and support!!!"

Then she saves that picture as her profile pic and posts that same hashtag above it.


She seems VERY childlike, and as much as I want to believe her, this whole story feels off to me. What in the world is up with the hastags???

Her FB page: https://www.facebook.com/childschloe?hc_ref=NEWSFEED




Anonymous said...

In her post on Oct 2 at 10:54 a.m., she says if you share her posts, do not use bad language or be negative, only post the hashtag #NOTOK.

Why the heavy promoting of the hashtag?

Anonymous said...

Why did it take 2 days for the larger picture to be posted here?

Anonymous said...

Hey, dont You people have any input to the article subject?

Anonymous said...

Another post linked to instagram:

To my instagram family... Rape is #NOTOK For those of you who have not heard, I was GANG RAPED at this resort this past Friday night. I have never felt at disrespected as I did by the staff. I have posted live feeds on Facebook that tell the story, simply search #NOTOK Please help me spread the word of how unsafe this resort really is and that is simply unexpected to ignore a #Rape as if it never happened.... Please Share!!!

She said she has never felt so DISRESPECTED as she did by the staff? Disrespected seems like a pretty mild word IMO.

Ode said...

Breaking News - Hungary

Hungarians have voted
PM Viktor Orban speaks

Breaking, as of 10/3/2016 Hungary is the only state of the EU that
THE citizens / Hungarian State have the say on who is and is not allowed
ie: parasitic migrants, the Hungarian/native people have the say, not the EU telling
Hungary you will do as you are told.

Hungary is near size of the State of Indiana for anyone who
doesn't understand (respectfully). The encompassing burden of undocumented
countless persons invading (thousands daily), the infrastructure alone cannot bear it.
The country to implode if they were forced to retain the incomers.

Hungarians are no different than WE the people here in the US.
Our infrastructures, 3/4 of the US is crumbling decay. We cannot continue to take in more persons of illegal status. Our country is in need of major repairs and updating.

This is not personal. This is for the survivor-ship of the United States, period.
Our House is broke, and near broken by our own govt not spending our money here.
Please watch these two videos, follow the news of the EU and it's challenges.
The US and Canada will be directly impacted by the next elected Potus: migrant immigration.

The Global Unification of Governments isn't in our best interests.
The UN is no different than the Federal Reserve, it's not needed, it's wanted: a global control device.

PM Orban https://youtu.be/gkJyO5wLSAs

RT on the news - Hungary's vote
https://youtu.be/rjAHSUikIQ0

Anonymous said...

A straight line: From W. and destruction to O. and destruction.

Anonymous said...

Where is our fearless president to denounce the war dead in chicago?

lynda said...

Anonymous said...
Another post linked to instagram:
Anon said..

'To my instagram family... Rape is #NOTOK For those of you who have not heard, I was GANG RAPED at this resort this past Friday night. I have never felt at disrespected as I did by the staff. I have posted live feeds on Facebook that tell the story, simply search #NOTOK Please help me spread the word of how unsafe this resort really is and that is simply unexpected to ignore a #Rape as if it never happened.... Please Share!!!

She said she has never felt so DISRESPECTED as she did by the staff? Disrespected seems like a pretty mild word IMO."

_________________

What is going on with this woman? Disrespected?? What kind of word is that to use in such close proximity to her usage of "gang raped"?! Why is she OBSESSED with the hashtag #NOTOK?? This is one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard. Then her FB statuses...are we to believe that she texted help me DURING the alleged rape? This is just weird

October 3, 2016 at 11:35 AM

Nic said...

Anonymous said...
In her post on Oct 2 at 10:54 a.m., she says if you share her posts, do not use bad language or be negative, only post the hashtag #NOTOK.

Why the heavy promoting of the hashtag?
October 3, 2016 at 11:27 AM


They are trying to trend. Trending will give them leverage against the resort. See the husband's first post and reference to money.

Anonymous said...

Nic. Have they named the resort yet?

Nic said...

Ode said:
The US and Canada will be directly impacted by the next elected Potus: migrant immigration.


Yes it will! Hard to believe the day has come where I would say, I hope Trump wins.

I'm really looking forward to Assange's announcement tomorrow:
'Specific info' forces WikiLeaks to move anticipated announcement to Berlin
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/will-wikileaks-assange-delay-october-surprise-announcement.html

"Some believe the video announcement by the WikiLeaks founder could be an "October surprise" geared towards the U.S. presidential election. Supporters of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump have said they believe the announcement will be damaging to the candidacy of Democratic rival Hillary Clinton." [end snip]

Nic said...


Under Intense Pressure to Silence Wikileaks, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange

http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/

[snip]

“Can’t we just drone this guy?” Clinton openly inquired, offering a simple remedy to silence Assange and smother Wikileaks via a planned military drone strike, according to State Department sources. The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States. Clinton was upset about Assange’s previous 2010 records releases, divulging secret U.S. documents about the war in Afghanistan in July and the war in Iraq just a month earlier in October, sources said. At that time in 2010, Assange was relatively free and not living cloistered in in the embassy of Ecuador in London. Prior to 2010, Assange focused Wikileaks’ efforts on countries outside the United States but now under Clinton and Obama, Assange was hammering America with an unparalleled third sweeping Wikileaks document dump in five months. Clinton was fuming, sources said, as each State Department cable dispatched during the Obama administration was signed by her.

[end snip]

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 2:36,

Yes. Read what the husband posted, first.

Anonymous said...

anti...............cipates a "go fund me"

Anonymous said...

Been wondering if H's career post FLOTUS was facilitated by BC as recompense for the embarrassment she endured by his behavior while he was president? If so, what a price the world is paying. At least W went back to Texas. If only BC & H had gone back to Arkansas & O back to Illinois.

lynda said...

Nic said
They are trying to trend. Trending will give them leverage against the resort. See the husband's first post and reference to money.

___________

Ah..it all makes sense now

Anonymous said...

Something must have happened to her. Security, police, hospital involved.

lynda said...

I find it hard to believe she was just schlepping down the street having "just got out of the hospital" and she's FINE. She does appear very childlike to me and she definitely says 3 men and one woman. WTH? Then she nonchalantly says "we're going to another hotel because of it" uh..yeah, i would think so. I still find her FB posts bizarre, especially the HELP THEY RAPE ME.
I wonder where the woman rapist went?

Nic said...

Little did I know that while I was away, a member of hotel security opened the door to our room and proceeded to allow in three other persons who all along with the security guard raped my newlywed wife. When I returned to my wife's screams I opened the door to see the perpetrators leaping over the deck rail running across the beach. To make matters worse, while I was pursuing them, the same security guard circled back around to the room while I was chasing the others to "respond" to the incident. He calmed the neighbors then proceeded to "examine" my wife

It's hard to decide which words to highlight.

away
a
opened the door (not break in?)
"our room" changes to "the room"
proceeded to allow
all along with ("along with" being extra wording)
opened the door (to his wife's screams... like Dick Van Dyke coming home at the end of the day and tripping over the footstool)
"pursuing" changes to "chase" (change in reality)
respond (like a cop!)
incident (instead of rape)
HE (not she)

"Little did I know" (story telling)
"When I returned to my wife's screams" (story telling)
To make matters worse (persuading)

Anonymous said...

The girl who cried rape...she is definitely lying. They will destroy this resorts reputation. When I read posts using her hashtag, someone had shared her post and stated, "The resort won't even give them a refund".

SMH I think they were disappointed in their choice of resort and wanted a refund, and decided to make up this lie to get it.

Nic, you are so right about the hashtag. I was wondering about that, but that all makes sense.

Anonymous said...

He mentions "door" a lot. Isn't that a sensitive word?

Anonymous said...

The resort has no cameras? Has the story been reported by major news or only in FB?

arm's length said...

Heil Hitler !!

foodiefoodnerd said...

lynda, as to the GoFundMe and hashtag spamming: Always, always follow the money; it will lead to your answers.
Who is making money; who stands to lose money, who is paying for it, etc.

Nic, nice recap. You can add "'proceeded to' allow..." to the flags of extra words, storytelling and distancing language.

Also I agree that his fixation on the so-called incident supposedly happening to HIM, and his phrasing of the men gangraping his newlywed wife, absolutely creepy!

Anonymous said...

How do you know the story isnt a hoax?

Anonymous said...

Has the story been in any news report?

Anonymous said...

They dont know. Just repeating the same things over and over and over and over.

Anonymous said...

The husband changed his post to add the following (look for all caps):

Rape. IT IS NOT OK!!! I am going to try to express in words how I feel about my experience at your Viva Fortuna Resort in the Bahamas. The love of my life and I eloped to this resort. We were married on the beach with a very simple ceremony where we recruited witnesses from the beach itself. We even streamed it live on Facebook so that all of our friends and family could be there with us for our special occasion. The very next day, while I was returning to our room with my new bride, I went to get us celebratory drinks from the bar. Little did I know that while I was away, a member of hotel security opened the door to our room and proceeded to allow in three other persons who all along with the security guard raped my newlywed wife. When I returned to my wife's screams I opened the door to see the perpetrators leaping over the deck rail running across the beach. To make matters worse, while I was pursuing them, the same security guard circled back around to the room while I was chasing the others to "respond" to the incident. He calmed the neighbors then proceeded to "examine" my wife, BY ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE WHATEVER FLUIDS MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND. When police arrived. No one was arrested. They are doing a full investigation even though my wife specifically pointed out the perpetrators. Hotel security was polite enough to tell me "have I considered the fact that maybe she wanted it". This resort and its staff left a scar in what should have been a perfect memory. They have so far refused to refund my money for the trip saying that they cannot since it was prepaid. Of course I'm leaving the Bahamas in the middle of what was supposed to be my honeymoon. This is a total nightmare. Never ever stay here. It is not worth the risk. The doors do not even have internal latches. Please if you are looking for a nice place to stay with loved ones don't make the mistake I did. #NOTOK

I wondered what he had meant by "examine" his wife. So is he trying to imply the security guard was trying to clean up the wife in her private areas or what?

Yet, still no mention of the mysterious woman that the wife said raped her as well.

I haven't seen this mentioned on any news media yet. But, I did see someone had posted that they were being noticed on social media now, and they were hoping that Ellen or NBC would pick up the story.

I agree, I am waiting on a go fund me page.

Anonymous said...

Looking at her dad's FB page, it appears their family and friends are trying to post reviews on tripadvisor, and tripadvisor will not accept them. So, they took it to the Q&A section of it.

Anonymous said...

Heather McDonald missing in Carterville GA.

http://haveyouseenheather.com/


Her husband's Facebook post:

https://www.facebook.com/stefan.mcdonald.33?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

"I can't believe it's been two weeks since anyone has seen or heard from Heather. This kind of thing doesn't happen in real life and it doesn't happen to people I know and it doesn't happen to us. Our most recent conversation via text was so mundane. Not bad, not good, just a conversation. I'm glad we weren't fighting, but there was no I love you from either side and no real ending.

I don't believe Heather would or could leave the girls and I like this by choice, but a lot of people (mostly those that didn't know her) have said it is a possibility. This is one of the best case scenarios and I hope that it is true, however I feel like it is a very remote likelihood. If there is the slightest chance that you can read this Heather I want you to tell you a couple things:

I love you and miss you Heather. If you can read this please come home to your babies. They love you and miss you and need you. I'm sorry for anything I've done to hurt you and forgive you for anything you have done. I regret a lot of things that I both did and didn't do during our relationship and for that I am also sorry. I want to hug you so bad and tell you how much I love you.

I want to watch you get knocked over when these girls see you again and run into your arms. So many people care about you and have helped us in our efforts. If you left by choice and are not ready to come home please let us know you are ok. Please. I love you. The girls love you. We all need you."

He is victim blaming and there is possible leakage in "I want to watch you get knocked over", and "I'm sorry for anything I've done to hurt you"

Any thoughts on this?

Anonymous said...

Re: Missing Heather McDonald

They talk to the husband in this news story:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/bartow-county/mother-of-3-missing-more-than-a-week/451452242

rob said...

this is what happens in countries with no second amendment.

Anonymous said...

http://www.drphil.com/videos/a-love-story-from-prison-making-a-murderers-stephen-averys-fiancee-opens-up/

Bobcat said...

https://www.gofundme.com/haveyouseenheather

Seriously?

"Heather McDonald, my wife and mother of three beautiful daughters, went missing on 9/18/2016. We wanted to set up a fund to help aid in the search by offerring a reward for information leading to her return. Any help is much appreciated, we need to bring hoe=me these little girls mommy!!"

lynda said...

It APPEARS that Heather McDonald my have left of her own accord. They state she was seen at the motel, she had told family she was "staying with a friend", I haven't heard any rumblings about the husband thusfar.

Those crazies from the resort?? One of the rapists was alone in the room with her and was cleaning bodily fluids up?? What was he doing, a pelvic? The husband just took it a step to far. This will never get picked up by "Ellen"...are they serious? You actually just said that one of the rapists was cleaning up bodily fluids AND SHE LET HIM..while you were out chasing down the other 2?? What happened to the woman? This pair boarded the damn crazy train and are speeding down the track. What's next? Change his story again to say that one of the rapists snuck into the hospital and stole all the results? Idiots...I hope the hotel sues the shit out of them.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Peter frequently reminds us of the most basic elements of SA -- that order speaks to priority and importance.

This GoFleeceYou story and the husband's statement illustrates this in a couple of ways.

First is the obvious pronoun bonanza in which he mentions himself five times, including that the "incident" happened to him.
After that came a few ours and wes, then about five more I and me repeats, and in the only two references to her individually, she belonged to him.

But these fraudulent fake hate accounts bring up another blue flag of priority:
As Peter also wisely notes, being physically attacked, especially with sexual assault involved, is deeply personal with profound effects on the victim and her or his loved ones.

That would be the primary focus of a real victim, and even the most painfully ironic details of the trip being an elopement, the staff was a bunch of callous shitbags, etc., would be added after relating the employee-assisted brutal gangrape, not the primary "experience" as he called it.

To even conflate a vicious gangrape with poor customer service is so revealing of this couple's priority, integrity and boggling lack of self-awareness, makes me curious about their financial history as well as any pattern of HR issues at work (the ones planned from the start), previous lawsuits, fundraisers or criminal history.

The customer service priority, spamming of the hashtag, dozen references to himself before even mentioning the supposed victim, storytelling, alibi-building and constantly changing story, this should be included in every SA course!

Ruse said...

http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article105794446.html
I saw a new interview with Deborah Bradley today and thought I'd share it here.

Nic said...

Thank you, Ruse.

It always amazed me how easily it was for DB to cry. She doesn't talk as fast as she used to.

[…] 1:30 She was three years old when we got our first age progression. Um, I was on my way to pick up my boys from school, uh and I drove past the mailbox, I seen, I knew it was coming, I jus, we didn’t know when. I seen the white envelope, I opened it up and I, it was amazing getting to see a picture of her because we don’t get to see her in person, not for now. And, um, it was a really good feeling, but at the same time it’s heart breaking cause you’re watching your kid grow up through, um, technology, and it’s, it’s hard I mean it’s good that we got that so that people can see, what um, she looks like now and help keep their eyes out for her. But it’s also really hard to know that you’re watching your child grow up through a computer, instead of in person and sh-you know, home where she belongs.

Nic said...

What really struck me was the part: "we don't get to see her in person, not for now."

Then Debrah Bradley refers to watching "your" kid grow up through technology, watching "your" child grow up through a computer instead of in person...

I'm beginning to wonder if there is any credibility to a witness seeing someone in the neighbourhood carrying a kid in a diaper that night.

jmo

Nic said...

I guess the Clinton camp didn't foresee "evil" sitting over Kaine's shoulder the whole debate?

I'm loving Pence. What a statesman.

John mcgowan said...

OT:

This statement is about a week after she went Missing.

Missing daughter’s fearful mom: ‘I just want my baby home’

RICHMOND, Va. – A Richmond mother is fearful for her daughter’s life after not hearing from her since Monday.

Keeshae Jacobs, 21, was last seen in the 3100 block of East Broad in Church Hill.

Her mother, Toni Jacobs, said it isn’t like her daughter to disappear and not call.

All I want to do is hear her voice and know she’s OK, but my fear is that she’s not gonna come home and I’m not gonna tell her I love her again she said.

Why does she "fear" this.?
When she says "that she’s not gonna come home", what does she mean by this?
..

Richmond Police have filed a missing person’s report, but says they have no reason to suspect anything suspicious at this time.

This is not my daughter. My daughter would do whatever she can to make sure she called me,” said Toni. “She would use any means necessary to try to get in contact with me and let me know where she’s at.”

Toni said her daughter Keeshae is quiet, family oriented, and a home-body.

She didn’t go out clubbing and partying. That’s not what she did,” she explained.

Is this in response to a past tense question? For example. Did she go out clubbing and partying? It is very early for someone to use language as this, especially mother.
..

So, the fact that she’s been missing for this long is very troubling.

The mother says she shares a bank account with Keeshae, and there has been no activity since she went missing Monday.

http://wtvr.com/2016/09/29/keeshae-jacobs-missing-mother-fearful/

mom2many said...

Poor Gov. Pence. His opening statement:
"I want to thank Donald Trump for making that call and inviting us to be part of this ticket.

Later, after dodging direct questions about Trump and his behavior he finally issues, at 1:18:40:
"Look, I can defend ... I, I, I can, uh, I can make very clear to the American people."

After this, Kaine began pointing out directly that Pence cannot defend Trump at all.

I have one question for Pence, If Hillary wasn't running and Pence himself was not on the ticket, would he support Trump?

My feeling is no. His purpose for being on the ticket is to oppose Hillary.

Nic said...

mom2many,

It's not Pence's responsibility to "defend" Trump. Pence did address what Trump said very well and pointedly. He said (paraphrasing) Trump can and will say whatever he wants to, and that the difference between Kaine, Clinton and Trump is that Kaine and Clinton are "polished politicians".

That is not a disparagement against Trump.

Nic said...

Also, before the debate, I was not familiar with either running mate. After watching the debate, my impression is if Clinton wins the election, her VP will be an eunuch. Case in point, the questions where on the screen for the viewing audience so it was easy to see when he was off on a tangent. Which was *a lot* of the time. When the subject was (I'm guessing) too complicated, Kaine pivoted to "Trump said, [...]." "Trump doesn't pay taxes." Pence addressed taxes twice and then nailed it it home when he said (paraphrasing) he understood why he had to keep harping on [taxes/"he said"] -- he was just doing what their focus group told him to do. And the interrupting of both the moderator and Pence was very disrespectful. I can't see how Kaine helped Clinton win any swing voters. That and he looks like the Grinch.

jmo

mom2many said...

Look again at the statements I pulled. They indicate Pence's distance from Trump and a struggle with aspects of his candidacy. He is asking voters to support someone he himself struggles to support. It is too bad Pence is not top of the ticket.

Nic said...

I agree its too bad Pence is only the running mate. He.Is.Awesome!

The American election is very important to Canada and its economy. After having listened to Kaine, I'm that much more worried if Clinton gets in. Pence reassures me if Trump gets in.

mom2many said...

I'm afraid we are in for a disaster either way. I think we have squandered a great gift in our original republic. Neither candidate has made any attempt to convince the public that he or she respects the Constitution and will uphold the Oath of Office. The media barely blinks when either propose unconstitutional laws. The people are more upset about behavior than things that are more seriously detrimental.

Anonymous said...

https://truecrimespodcasts.com/2016/01/28/amanda-knox-co-defendant-rudy-guede-fights-back-interview-with-english-subtitles/

Amanda Knox co-defendant Rudy Guede Fights Back – Interview with English Subtitles

Anonymous said...

If Trump win I hopes he get them rich drug peddlers and Tare down there manchins . He go get there support net works too. That be good.

Anonymous said...

How can the current US president have so high an approval rating? Is the reporting untrue? Thomas Sowell says O is the worst president in history. Jesse Lee Peterson says the weak feminine president is evil and backwards. Are most Americans afraid to express their true opinion because of ethnicity? Shouldnt be. Carter, W & Clintons legacies are not immune to criticism.

Anonymous said...

OT

Peter - I'd love to read your analysis about this story: "Son of former 'prostitute' claims he is Bill Clinton's love child and demands ex-president takes DNA test"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/son-former-prostitute-claims-bill-8972740

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1906836/prostitute-son-lovechild-bill-clinton-hillary-banishing/

-KC

John mcgowan said...

OT:

'I didn't touch him!' Ukip MEP Mike Hookem DENIES punching Steven Woolfe during scuffle before leadership favourite collapsed and was rushed to hospital

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824837/Ukip-donor-says-party-run-circus-clowns-new-leadership-favourite-Steven-Woolfe-admits-considered-defecting-TORIES.html#ixzz4MKGi8jud

Anonymous said...

OT - Kim K is blaming herself for robbery... embedded confession?

“Kim’s in shock and blaming herself. She’s tearing herself up that she Snapchatted the ring so much and wore it all the time. This incident is making her question everything. How she dresses, what she does,” a source close to the Kardashian family tells PEOPLE.

Anonymous said...

Oh brother...is anyone else to blame other than KK?

Nic said...

Maybe she was inspired:

Gigi Hadid on Her Milan Attack: 'I Do Have the Fighter in Me'
http://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/news/gigi-hadid-recounts-scary-milan-attack-promotes-self-defense-w442204

Nic said...

http://people.com/tv/kim-kardashian-west-blaming-herself-after-robbery-doesnt-want-kanye-replace-ring/

Kim Kardashian Is 'Blaming Herself' After Armed Robbery, Doesn't Want Kanye West to Replace $4 Million Ring


Around 3 a.m. Paris time on Monday, five masked men wearing police jackets forced concierge at the No Name Hotel to show them to the Keeping Up with the Kardashians star’s room, where she was alone. Upon entering, 35-year-old Kardashian West’s hands and feet were bound with tape before she was locked in the bathroom while they stole a jewelry box worth $6.7 million in jewelry and a ring worth $4 million, police sources told La Parisien.

Since returning to the United States and being reunited with her children in New York, a source tells PEOPLE that the mother of two is pointing the finger at herself and taking the blame for showcasing her ring on social media.


“Kim’s in shock and blaming herself. She’s tearing herself up that she Snapchatted the ring so much and wore it all the time. This incident is making her question everything. How she dresses, what she does,” a source close to the Kardashian family tells PEOPLE.

Although the ring was from husband Kanye West, the E! personality doesn’t want it replaced. “Kanye wants to buy her the ring again but she just says she doesn’t want to think about it. He says he wants everything to go back to normal and for the incident to not affect their lives,” the source adds.

________

Bathroom doors lock from the outside?

What's with Kanye wanting to buy the ring "again"? Wouldn't their insurance company replace it?

The Kardashian's are reality TV personalities, right? This wouldn't be a story line for their show would it?

Anonymous said...

@Nic

I agree completely. It is interesting to me that they ONLY stole the jewelry, and not any of her other expensive, designer products like clothes or handbags.

-KC

Anonymous said...

A 10 yr old boy in Texas was deliberately set on fire by other children on a playground. One child arrested. Should not the perpetrators be executed despite young age for the depravity and wickedness of their actions? Who cares about KK and her husband? Why even mention them? Their careers offer nothing of value.

Nic said...

Why even mention them? Their careers offer nothing of value.

Because they make millions being deceptive. That's what reality tv is: Deception.

Jon The Layman said...

Darn, it never even occurred to me that the Kim Kardashian robbery was anything other than a genuine crime. Perhaps, like the rest of the unthinking majority, I w thought "although I'm not a fan of KK's, no one deserves to be robbed the way she was" (I'm assuming bound and gagged).

I'm glad this website and the commentators are here - it steers me towards healthy scepticism and an analysis that I wouldn't otherwise even consider, especially given how rife lying is in today's society.

The Amanda Knox case and I'm going to assume the documentary (I haven't watched it, but have seen other people's comments and what was omitted) is a good example of the perversion of the truth and general astro-turfing to sway the populace to believe an untruth.

Anonymous said...

No one deserves to be robbed the way she was? 'Deserve to be' or 'Inviting' the crime? Did you see how she was dressed in public? Do her boobs have to be nearly entirely uncovered? Does a normal person not understand displaying jewellery openly invites criminal opportunity in a degraded society? Why does it take the vileness of islam to address the the immorality of western nude culture? Men and women were modestly covered at the beach not long ago. Non beach public space is now accepted for immodest attire. Public nudity is a spiritual crime causing others to lust. And its the vileness of islam addressing the issue in a violent manner.

Jon The Layman said...

@anon 4.56pm
Thanks for the reply, you've given lots of food for thought.

I suppose when I referred to KK "not deserving to be robbed", I'm assuming everyone is more or less equal incl. KK and it also assumes, rather naively on my part, that in a perfect world, no one should be robbed and that person (the victim) shouldn't be forced to "hide their possessions" for fear of being robbed.

You are correct in the sense that it's everyone's own responsibility for their own security and to take precautions to deter crimes. Some people would cry "victim blaming" though I see the distinction in what you are conveying.

I note that my position is rather more liberal than yours in terms of how one "covers themselves" in public. Without thinking too critically about it, I believe that a person should be able to wear what they like as long as they cover their unmentionables, though I realize that opens up another whole line of conversation in terms of what defines "unmentionables"! I respect your position in this regards though, as I generally have a respect for most conservative points of view whilst not necessarily agreeing 100% on them.

The burkini ban, which you alluded to is something that I ideologically agree with, but only on the basis that it perpetuates the myth that the burka is a choice that all muslim women have. I however don't agree with (the ban) simply because it's pointless and actually adds to the issues over something that I feel is ultimately inconsequential. Ie, it gives Muslims another reason to complain. Anyone could theoretically wear a burkini, so for that reason I feel it's pointless to force people not to wear it.



Ottoman newfie mix said...

I caught that too! Ad well as many others. He spoke of her in past tense during the 1st interview with Tom Regan WSB chanded 2 news!!!

*I need to change my username
Ottoman died in Jan :(