Wednesday, November 2, 2016

Statement Analysis Lesson: Hillary Clinton and 9/11



"Where were you on 9/11?" is a question I ask in training.  It is a simple question and due to the hormonal increase from the importance of the day, memory is without effort.  I then ask them a similar question 'in the negative' to highlight that we do not mark time by that which does not happen.  This is an important element in detecting deception as I use the case of Hailey Dunn to show how the deceptive mother marked time by what did not happen; an indication of "editorializing" that police officers often, without training, call "story telling."  Billie Jean Dunn, the child's mother, actually described seeing her dead child's body in her bed.  "I looked at her but I did not touch her."  A truthful statement, technically, while withholding the most critical information. 

She reported Hailey as missing

They are correct.  

It is the narrative, rather than experiential memory in play.  

How do most people lie?

The 'studies' that show that the average person tells x number of lies per minute is not accurate.  

People rarely lie directly.  

In many guilty statements, we find 100% truthful sentences, one after the next. 

It is within the information that we find signals of deception due to missing information.  This can be 'withheld' information, (active), 
'missing information' (passive, jumping time) or it could be suppressed information (active, strong effort, often emotionally driven).  

It is rare that one will outright lie, that is, to fabricate reality. 

A good example is Richard Blumenthal as we see the elements of both arrogance and contempt within such.  Given the context of his work, how many innocent people suffered under his ambition and ability to fabricate reality? 


Most deception is via missing information.  Consider:
1.  The reason why
2.  Who can lie outright

1.  The reason why most people lie via missing information is because of the internal stress that taking information that does not come from experiential memory causes. 

Even a school child learns how it is so difficult to keep track of a lie, as they play role in school.  There is now a concern of how to keep track of the lies because memory works chronologically.  

Next, consider the speed of transmission from the brain to the tongue in choosing words.  From a vocabulary of more than 25,000 words, the brain signals which words to use in less than a millisecond in time.  A lie will disrupt this process. 

2.  The Outright Liar

This form of lying, itself, is rare, with less than 10% of liars using the direct fabrication of reality.  Most lies come from parsed words, skipping time, and withheld or even suppressed information.  

There are many different types of liars...here are a few to consider. 

In Greek, there are 6 different words for our English word "walk" which helps us understand a "walk" that reflects a norm, or habitual pattern.  

The honest person walks in honesty, but when does tell a lie, will seek remedy.  

Compulsive liars lie about things unnecessary to lie about.  Friends are often baffled by 
Grandiose Liars are like the cartoon "Colonel McBragg" from the Bugs Bunny days where he boasts 
Panic liars often are truthful, but panic, lie, and feel remorse.  The truthful will even admit this lie and return to the habitual walk of truthfulness.  They are close to honest but will sometimes personally acknowledge the lie, but will claim to have "no choice" and actually further de-sensitize themselves from truth.  

Sociopathic Liar is one who lies to gain advantage, power, control and eventually wealth. 

This subject is often  successful, manipulative, and grows more and more in the desensitization process.  If wealth is obtained, so is power.  

*This subject may go from having no empathy for victims to actually enjoying the humiliation and pain of others.  

This is where perversion grows because 'the thrill is gone' and deviancy gives only fleeting satisfaction.  When this desensitization process meets sociopathic behavior, and is fueled by financial means, the ends will always shock the public, and even shock family members who say "I thought I knew her" or "I thought I knew him..." 

As the sociopathic liar gains power via wealth, and continues the process of desensitization, it leads to areas in which people say things like, "I never believed him capable of..." with some of the most vile actions in life, including child pornography, child prostitution, bestiality, and other crimes against nature.  

The sociopathic liar did not begin with the ability to destroy children; it was something that was 'graduated' to.  Money becomes a means to the end.  

The sociopathic liar will, most often, lie by omission but will, when it serves purpose, actually fabricate reality.  

“I know what happened not far from here at Pulse night club in Orlando.  I was in New York City on 9/11 as one of the two senators. I will defeat ISIS. I will protect America.”

It is interesting to note that "Politico" is on record as saying that Hillary Clinton was in Washington, D.C.  on 9/11. 

If this is true, note the structure of the sentence:

"I was in New York City on 9/11" is a  very reliable sentence.  

Yet then note that this is not a complete sentence, which now brings reliability into question:


I was in New York City on 9/11 as one of the two senators.

This is called a "Hina Clause" which reveals something very important:

The subject has the need to explain why she was in NYC on 9/11 in this speech.  It is not as if she said, "I was in NYC on 9/11" and someone yelled, "Why were you in NYC on 9/11?"

Yet, here in lies the lesson:

The need to explain why, without being asked, is an indication that the subject anticipates the challenge of being asked, "Why?" by an accuser. 

This is why it is labeled the highest level of sensitivity in language.  

When one feels the need to explain why without being asked, they indicate that they are already prepared for the challenge.  

This is the reason "why", where we flag words such as "so, since, therefore, because" in analysis. 

Yet, when we come upon words or phrases that explains why without using one of the typical words, we call it the "Hina Clause" in analysis, and flag it just as if it was "because", simply used. 

It is the same. 

The need to explain "why" without being asked, is a strong signal of sensitivity in language.  

But, she is not done yet.  

The need to explain why she was in NYC as a New York senator is unnecessary.  

Unnecessary words are always important; often deemed by us to be 'doubly important' as it goes against the 'law of economy' where one goes 'directly' to the point.  

Additional language takes additional effort, but when the additional language is also unnecessary language, we now have an elevation of the already high sensitivity.  

She has a need to explain why, and the reason, as an elected official of New York, is also unnecessary.  

If Hillary Clinton was not in NYC on the morning of September 11,  the need to explain "why" will now make sense to the analyst.  

In the interview and interrogation process, when we find or hear the Hina Clause, we aim our questions precisely in this location over and over.  

It tells the lying subject, "Uh oh!  He knows!  He knows..." and is useful in obtaining admissions.  

Her statement began to affirm the Orlando shooting, of which the motive of the shooter was self confessed, but denied by Obama and Hillary (Islam's 1400 year written teaching on jihad has nothing to do with Islam) as they knew better than the killer.  She then makes her sensitive statement followed by her defeating ISIS. If she was not in NYC, the premise, for which she will defeat ISIS and protect America, signals a lie.  This should be understood in context, including Huma Aberdin's Muslim brotherhood connections, and the millions of dollars Clinton took from Islamic nations, which, ironically, execute those of SSA; the nightclub the subject just referenced.  

Objection:  NBC (and MSM in general) reported that Hillary "misspoke" about 9/11.  

Answer:  see the Blumenthal analysis.  

When we experience something that is associated with elevated hormonal response, memory is ingrained.  This can be, depending upon the level of trauma, so etched upon the brain that it produces negative consequences, known as "PTSD" or "PTSD like symptoms."

Yet, we do not need this basic point of memory to conclude deception.  

Why?

The inclusion of the Hina Clause. 

We have the two highest levels of sensitivity within her language.  This, within deception, shows that she knew she was going to need to "prove" something.  

When you speak the truth in an open statement you do not anticipate any need to persuade something so basic  as physical location.  Even in the context that everything you say will be examined will produce nervousness and, hopefully, keep one to the truth.  But in something as basic as personal location, experiential memory is in play, and in something like this, the truthful subject knows will not need defense for scrutiny.  

The additional language found within her need to explain why she was in NYC affirms the "need to persuade" her audience on something that needs no persuasion.  

When the trained interviewer uses the subject's own language, the percentage of gaining admissions or confessions rises greatly.  This success breeds its own success as confidence and skill moves forward.  

Those who give themselves to formal training obtain justice, success and traction for their own careers.  

30 comments:

John mcgowan said...
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John mcgowan said...

I really like the "Hina Clause". I wondering how many times i may have missed it, if not always, by just looking out for "so", "to", "because" etc.

Lisa21222 said...

OT: This is blowing up on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1549120741768405&set=a.247380631942429.81292.100000114829348&type=3&theater

Do you think this child found the needle in the chocolate bar? Or is it a hoax? The person posting REFUSED to report it to the police "because they will never catch them" but does not seem concerned about other kids who may have gotten them who would be warned if she filed a report, and the local news covered it.

https://www.facebook.com/tammy.gray.3348?fref=nf

This happens to be in my neighborhood

Trigger said...

Did anyone notice that Donna Brazille, when confronted by Megan Kelly, about the emails that contained the questions to be asked of Ms. Clinton at the debates and town hall meetings, when asked, did not deny it?

Instead of denying the cheating, she went into "martyr" mode by claiming that she was a "Christian woman" who was being persecuted (by Megan) without cause.

"If she didn't say it, then we can't say it for her."

Karen said...

Off topic, but does anyone else remember the Lynn Messer case in MO? She has been missing over 2 years and skeletal remains were found today. No one has ever said the husband is a suspect, but his wording is always odd to me. Here's his response to the skeletal remains found:

Find Lynn Messer
39 mins ·

"Thank You" to all who have faithfully remained prayerful through this difficult season. Last night and today “appears” to mark the beginning of a new phase in this awful journey. As the biggest question of the past 2 years and 4 months “may” be coming to some kind of an answer, a whole new set of questions are emerging… Your continued prayers are still requested.

It appears very “probable” that the remains of Lynn's body “may” have been found. An FBI forensics team has been on location just under a mile from our home. This location is very close to the back border of the farm (as I have been told). We have no idea how long it may take for them to process the "scene" (This is now the third year of leaf litter coming down), and I have absolutely no idea how large of an area is being "processed". (I/we are not allowed in the area.)

A skull and other bones were found late afternoon yesterday, Tuesday. I have been told there were a couple of other items which cause us to believe these “most likely” are Lynn's remains. The location was searched extensively by law enforcement and the professional teams before they handed the searching over to the family after they spent four days combing the farm and other key areas. Many questions hang in the air as to how this could have not been found in the beginning? We are praying for answers to this and many more questions.

Since later this morning, Wednesday, when the forensics team arrived, and early afternoon, I have been told the remains do in fact have artificial hips (as well as eye glasses) - but it will take several days, weeks, or even up to a couple of months to confirm this is absolutely Lynn. With what I have been told, it would appear almost certainly to be her, but absolute confirmation must be established as we hold our breaths.

Please be in prayer for our family, which has been torn apart by all the stress and circumstances surrounding this past 28 months ordeal. I have no idea what will transpire moving forward from today. However the critics are going wild with accusations and the media is hounding...

Please pray that somehow and in some way The Lord is glorified through all of this mess, and that I can manage to behave as an ambassador of Christ.

Kerry Messer

What is the deal with all of the quotes used? Does anyone else think is is odd of him to talk in graphic detail like that of his wife? Here's all that has been included in the media about it:
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/33597019/skeletal-remains-found-on-lynn-messers-property-in-ste-genevieve-county

I'd love to know your thoughts on this case.

Jon The Layman said...

Yeah, I watched that interview Trigger.

After watching the Project Veritas videos with Scott Foval and Bob Creamer talking directly about working with the DNC and the Hillary campaign to incite violence at Trump rallies and rig the vote, some people may have just dismissed it as 2 rogue agents, BUT when you watch this interview where she not only fails to deny sending the debate questions to Ms. Clinton with the non-explanation that her emails were stolen (but not saying the emails themselves weren't true), but she also fails to deny the findings of Project Veritas by attempting to smear the creator of the series James O'Keefe as a liar.

The MSM wanted nothing to do with Project Veritas when it is a bonafide scandal that required further investigation - can you imagine if Donald Trump were involved in this? There would have been an international outcry for sure.

Anonymous said...

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/10/statement-analysis-of-donna-brazille.html


Donna was already analyzed. I don't think anyone was surprised.

tania cadogan said...

The location was searched extensively by law enforcement and the professional teams before they handed the searching over to the family after they spent four days combing the farm and other key areas. Many questions hang in the air as to how this could have not been found in the beginning? We are praying for answers to this and many more questions.

This got me pondering.

Was the body placed in situ after the police searches had been done?
How better to conceal a body than to place it in an area already searched and cleared, safe in the knowledge that it would be unlikely to be found any time soon by searchers, more likely to be found by accident after disturbance by wldlife or the elements.

Then i thought about the searching done by the family once the 'official police' search was done.
Again how better to conceal a body than after all the searches were done and then to blame LE when the remains are subsequently found as being inept (a possible defense perhaps, it wasn't me as they would have found her so they/someone must be trying to frame me)
I would then seek to find out which family members searched and when?
Where they alone or in groups?
When were the searches done?
Was the area searched only once or multiple times?
Did anyone say they had searched the area and found nothing, only for her remains to subsequently appear?
Who gained from her disappearing?
Who has been polygraphed?
What were the results?
Who is currently cooperating with LE?
Who isn't?

Anonymous said...

Off topic:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00102343.html?google_editors_picks=true

Trigger said...

"Donna was already analyzed"

I missed that one, thanks for the information.

I went back and read it. A great analysis.

Anonymous said...

Peter, did huma and wiener save the 'blue dress' from fear?
this breaking news:
But new revelations on the contents of that laptop, according to law enforcement sources, implicate the Democratic presidential candidate, her subordinates, and even select elected officials in far more alleged serious crimes than mishandling classified and top secret emails, sources said. NYPD sources said these new emails include evidence linking Clinton herself and associates to:

Money laundering
Child exploitation
Sex crimes with minors (children)
Perjury
Pay to play through Clinton Foundation
Obstruction of justice
Other felony crimes
NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”

The NYPD Chief said once Comey saw the alarming contents of the emails he was forced to reopen a criminal probe against Clinton.

“People are going to prison,” he said.

Meanwhile, FBI sources said Abedin and Weiner were cooperating with federal agents, who have taken over the non-sexting portions the case from NYPD. The husband-and-wife Clinton insiders are both shopping for separate immunity deals, sources said.

“If they don’t cooperate they are going to see long sentences,” a federal law enforcement source said.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, FBI sources said Abedin and Weiner were cooperating with federal agents, who have taken over the non-sexting portions the case from NYPD. The husband-and-wife Clinton insiders are both shopping for separate immunity deals, sources said.

“If they don’t cooperate they are going to see long sentences,” a federal law enforcement source said.

NYPD sources said Weiner or Abedin stored all the emails in a massive Microsoft Outlook program on the laptop. The emails implicate other current and former members of Congress and one high-ranking Democratic Senator as having possibly engaged in criminal activity too, sources said.

Prosecutors in the office of US Attorney Preet Bharara have issued a subpoena for Weiner’s cell phones and travel records, law enforcement sources confirmed. NYPD said it planned to order the same phone and travel records on Clinton and Abedin, however, the FBI said it was in the process of requesting the identical records. Law enforcement sources are particularly interested in cell phone activity and travel to the Bahamas, U.S. Virgin Islands and other locations that sources would not divulge.

The new emails contain travel documents and itineraries indicating Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, Weiner and multiple members of Congress and other government officials accompanied convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein on his Boeing 727 on multiple occasions to his private island in the U.S Virgin Islands, sources said. Epstein’s island has also been dubbed Orgy Island or Sex Slave Island where Epstein allegedly pimps out underage girls and boys to international dignitaries.

Both NYPD and FBI sources confirm based on the new emails they now believe Hillary Clinton traveled as Epstein’s guest on at least six occasions, probably more when all the evidence is combed, sources said. Bill Clinton, it has been confirmed in media reports spanning recent years, that he too traveled with Epstein over 20 times to the island.

Anonymous said...

please read this before it is taken down.

Bottle Cap said...

Re: Lynn Messer. On October 2, 2014 this news article quoted her husband Kerry
http://www.semissourian.com/story/2124420.html

Now Messer is trying to enlist hunters to keep an eye out for his wife -- or anything that might belong to her -- as they head into the woods for deer season.

"Every deer season, every year, there's always a national news story about hunters finding somebody's remains," he said. "... For every one that finds a person, there's got to be dozens that are walking past a shoe or a pair of glasses or a piece of clothing."

Messer said he hopes to use his political connections to create a campaign to educate hunters about what to do if they see something unexpected.

"We're just shooting in the dark. ... It'd be better if we could come up with a way to build a partnership with the hundreds of thousands of people that are going to be out in the woods," he said.

Did he shoot her between 12:00am when he last saw her and 4:00am when he reported her missing?

The one comment on the article accuses him.

Bottle Cap said...

Tania, the article I reference above says that some members of the family were polygraphed.

Patty said...

Peter, I don't know if you've seen this: Hillary went psycho robotically crazy on a man who was holding up a sign stating "Bill Clinton is a Rapist" at her rally yesterday. Scary woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB2lIt-O3G0

Nic said...

tania cadogan said...
The location was searched extensively by law enforcement and the professional teams before they handed the searching over to the family after they spent four days combing the farm and other key areas. Many questions hang in the air as to how this could have not been found in the beginning? We are praying for answers to this and many more questions.

This got me pondering.

Was the body placed in situ after the police searches had been done?
How better to conceal a body than to place it in an area already searched and cleared, safe in the knowledge that it would be unlikely to be found any time soon by searchers, more likely to be found by accident after disturbance by wldlife or the elements.


Me, too... and this...

(This is now the third year of leaf litter coming down),

He's counted the leaf "litter". Natural rubbish.
________

Karen, I use quotes a lot myself when highlighting a single word that could mean many things, like, "processed". I, myself, would have quoted the word processed because it means a whole gamut of (to me, unknown) things. Or sometimes I use quotes to emphasize. Other times I use asterisks to emphasis, especially here if I want to reserve bolding for my (novice!) analysis. It would be interesting to ask the author, themselves, why.

Nic said...

Anonymous at 7:23pm said:
NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”


I had posted earlier on another thread that rumour had it it was NYPD who was pushing this agenda (no love lost between Clinton and any PD). Hence Clinton's, this is "strange" comment. This report basically confirms it.

Oh and I don't think it is any coincidence 1) that last week (?) the Clinton Foundation transferred US1.8billion to Qatar (no extradition agreement with the USA), and 2) MSM is reporting the spread between Trump and Clinton is closing and that Trump is even leading in some states.

jmo

Anonymous said...

I knew what they found had to be bad. It doesn't surprise me.

One of the Clinton's ex-hitmen has told about how Hillary would go to LA every month to be in a "witch coven"....I wonder what that was all about. Hillary displayed ruthless evil in her laughing about her incredibly unethical and downright evil and successful defense of a child rapist. Anonymous had been saying they would leak stuff about Bill's pervy pedophile plane rides and pedo island visits...there is no surprise here if Hillary accompanied him. Hillary emanates evil and perversion imo. Any woman who could laugh about the demonic lengths Hillary went to to defend a guilty child rapist is capable of anything, and that woman who laughed was HELLary herself.

Nic said...

If there is any question why BO and Mo are out campaigning for HRC, all I can say is, "too little too late". This from four years ago. (Witten by a reporter on another continent.)

You can read the whole article here:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/motowns-road-to-ruin/story-e6frezz0-1226426121204

Part 1

Motown's Road to Ruin

DETROIT used to be the industrial heart of America and home to opportunity. Now it is one of the most violent cities in the world.

In the devastated inner city, the 85 per cent black population either preys on each other or prays the country's first black president can save them. Because hope is all they have left.

Hope is why Earline Mason, who lives in one of the worst gang and violence-plagued areas of eastside Detroit, carefully maintains her small front lawn with a whipper-snipper.

Amid the chaos of her existence, where half of the houses are now abandoned, burnt-out or bulldozed, and where the street signs are routinely removed to confuse the cops - should they ever bother turning up - Earline still believes.

Half of the working-class population has fled to newer, safer townships at Detroit's outer edges, leaving the inner city to the gangs and those who are too poor to get out.

Earline's house, worth $85,000 eight years ago, is now valued at $10,000.

But she will not give up. She has a sign on her lawn backing Obama in the 2012 presidential race, believing he will come through.

Even though Obama has never directly addressed his country's black population, fearing it would alienate white voters, she believes he is worried about her as an older black woman trying to maintain dignity in a dangerous slum.

"Yes, of course he thinks of me," says Earline.
[...]

The idea is to inject some ideology, and health, into the streets, to bring about what Farrakhan calls the "resurrection of the black man and woman of America".

But the organisation's demand for strict self-discipline has little appeal in the ghetto, where drugs and sex are the currency.

The priorities are back to front. Incredibly, it is common to drive past what appears to be uninhabitable shacks, where children are living, and see late-model Cadillacs parked outside, with after-market $5000 rims.

"The kids think all this is normal," Almon says.

"They rarely leave their neighbourhood and they certainly don't go to other states or other countries. Everyone thinks it's normal. That's why nothing's done."

If Harvard produces academics, no one should be too surprised that the ghetto produces gunslingers, crack dealers and "baby mammas".

"For a girl, her prospects are to have a baby or two by the time she's 18, low self-esteem, growing messed up because there are no real men in the ghetto," Almon says.

"And everyone's looking at her like a piece of meat. If she lived in the (outer) suburbs, she might be a doctor or an engineer. Here, she'll be a ho, a drug addict or a baby mamma.

"As for boys, you might as well tattoo a prison number right on their chest at birth. They are going to prison.

"You've got young, dumb, ignorant young guys raised by young women, with no men around. I cannot think of a worse scenario. They have the mentality of a child, the emotions of a woman and the destructive power of a grown man.
[...]

Nic said...

Part 2
Almon, like many blacks, wishes Obama would - just once - speak directly to them.

"I want him to come out and say: 'Stop embarrassing me. Stop killing each other,"' says Almon. "It's always been bad in America but it's far worse now. There are more guns, there is more poverty, the police are more vicious because they're scared, too, and the economy has gone to hell. "This city is Planet of the Apes and it's every gorilla for himself."
[...]

"I always need to adjust my behaviour," Almon says. "If I'm not in a black neighbourhood, I dress not to scare people. Because if they see a black guy coming, they're scared.

"I don't like it, but the truth of the matter is I understand it. It used to be that black people were scared of white people in America.

"Now it's whites scared of blacks and it's because of the crime."

Obama has pragmatic reasons for not appearing to be a "black" president.

Black leadership falls to old stagers like the Rev Al Sharpton and the Rev Jesse Jackson, who always turn up when there's a high-profile killing or a perceived injustice.

In Almon's view, these men are not leaders but "race hustlers" who place responsibility anywhere but black society, which sends the wrong message to the ghettos.

"Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson blame white people," Almon says.

"Every time they get their name in the paper, they're just selling their products. They ain't no different to the black people who sold their people into slavery for bags of salt and beads.

"Black people, we got to grow up. It's very difficult to be believe that 50 years ago you had Dr King lead his movement against the mightiest government on Earth, and his followers, regular people, had such dignity, so well dressed, such respect.

"Look at us now. No dignity, no pride, or respect. We are far, far less educated. How is that possible?"
[...]

Karen said...

Bottle Cap, Nic and Tania- Interesting thoughts. I really do think the body had to have been moved. There was extensive searches, multiple searches. I just don't see how they could have missed it.

I also thought it was interesting that he asked deer hunters to be on the lookout for her, and what do you know, that's how she was found.

The "shot in the dark" comment is also curious.

I hope they figure it out soon. She had so many family and friends that loved her and miss her.

Anonymous said...

Really good post Nic.

Elilu said...

Edit Elilu said...
Bottle Cap said...
""We're just shooting in the dark. ... It'd be better if we could come up with a way to build a partnership with the hundreds of thousands of people that are going to be out in the woods," he said.

Did he shoot her between 12:00am when he last saw her and 4:00am when he reported her missing?

Interesting thought. I was wondering if she was strangled, given these parts of the statement:

"Many questions hang in the air as to how this could have not been found in the beginning?" and
"With what I have been told, it would appear almost certainly to be her, but absolute confirmation must be established as we hold our breaths."

I find this part curious, with the repeated "absolutely/absolute" and "confirm/confirmation":
Since later this morning, Wednesday, when the forensics team arrived, and early afternoon, I have been told the remains do in fact have artificial hips (as well as eye glasses) - but it will take several days, weeks, or even up to a couple of months to confirm this is absolutely Lynn. With what I have been told, it would appear almost certainly to be her, but absolute confirmation must be established as we hold our breaths.

Would "this is absolutely Lynn" be an embedded admission?

Anonymous said...

John McGowan

Son calls for Messer to come clean

Snipped:

BLOOMSDALE, Mo. – Abram Messer, son of Kerry Messer, is calling for Kerry to straighten his story about the disappearance of Lynn Messer.

“For two years, I have been begging my father to tell the truth and to be open, to come clean about what he knows that he’s not sharing,” Abram said. “I have gone to him in private. I have endeavored him to engage in our church community. Every time I have pressed him or requested him to tell the truth, his reactions have become angrier and more volatile. In the last two years, I have no turned my back on my father. He has pushed us away every step of the way. Every time we have reached out, he has pushed us away.”

More in article below:

http://themissouritimes.com/35308/son-calls-messer-come-clean/

John mcgowan said...
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Michele said...

OT
Peter,
A California man is accused of kidnapping his own kids. I pulled quotes from a Fox article. He's got a possible embedded confession in the very first quote (could be entering into the language of the reporter), but his comment about his name being on the birth certificate and "everything". In SA how would that be handled?
Here are the quotes:
"How could you say I kidnapped my kids when my name is on the birth certificate and everything?" Young said.

"How could you lock a young man up for trying to be a father to his kids?" Young said.

In early October, Young said he took a bus to Arkansas to celebrate the twins' 6th birthday. But when their mother died of cancer on Oct. 15, he said it was a wake up call.

"I really love my kids, and I feel it's time I really step up and be a man. And if somebody has a problem about me being a man, oh well. That's their problem," Young said. change of language here.

Then, he said he found out their mother's sister was also fighting for custody.
"They try to get me to the courthouse but I refuse to sign some papers. Saying, 'I'm her auntie. This is my auntie. I want to have custody of my kids' So I'm not going to do that," Young said.
Young has seven children across the country.

Anonymous said...


BREAKING: Aliayah Lunsford's Mother Arrested in Florida


November 3, 2016


The mother of a Lewis County girl missing since 2011 has been arrested in Florida and is charged with her death.

Lena Lunsford was arrested by authorities in Pinellas County Florida on a charge of Death of a Child by a Parent by Child Abuse.

Aliayah Lunsford has been missing since her disappearance from the family home in September 2011

Sheriff Adam Gissy of the Lewis County Sheriff's Department will hold a press conference on Friday morning at 11 a.m. with more information.



http://www.tristateupdate.com/story/33624962/breaking-aliayah-lunsfords-mother-arrested-in-florida

Me2l said...

I've seen Peter mention it before, I think, but now, I get it! Haha

Karen said...

Also, when Lynn first went missing, it was said she didn't have her glasses with her. I remember everyone saying there is no way she could have been able to see even. Her toe was broken and her foot in a boot. She couldn't have walked the mile to where she was found. I also think her body was moved, since there was an extensive search of the property. I'm glad the FBI is on it.